Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Does anyone have any suggestions for a C'tan shard conversion?

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>>51690908

Motherfucking Eldar, they were faster than me...

Hey guys
I've got a fuckhuge ork army
a smallish space marine/chaos space marine army (Soul drinkers)
and i've got a cadian command squad and a bunch of cultists.

Should I work on a freeboota army next, or should I mix Cadian and Catachan guys for 'nam imperial guard?

>>51690768
>the rippers. That was you right?
no?

>That's like, your opinion, man
If they are not, why is every single assault army shit besides the one army that gets turn one assaults? Just coincidence that they all have weak codices? Why is there a game phase that is completely unavailable for about 40% of all armies and can absolutely dominate the game, provided your pre-game rolls were lucky?

>fucks up the entire balance for everyone.
that's exactly the idea. Tau and Eldar would be a lot more balanced if assault were stronger

>but nids by no means are a "force of order"
They are the absolute superimposition of a single mind over billions of creatures. The worlds they take they leave behind sterile and forever unchanging. Their very presence smothers the shifting powers of the warp and cuts psykers off. If that isn't order then what is?

Is a close combat daemon prince from the CSM codex even useful at all? Since 7th edition made MCs not land and charge, what the fuck are you even supposed to do with this guy. Seems like they kukt him out of existence, unless you take a Nurgle prince. Is Nurgle the only way?

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>Reminder that GW spent time, money and manpower to do this shit instead of redoing some of the ancient kits that still plague some factions.

>>51690977
Is it bad that I hope that they don't get rid of the ork buggy kit? I like how the vehicle itself looks (tho the drivers are a bit shit)

>>51690908

>reading the latest white dwarf
>get to the letters section
>"I don't know if you realise it, but having non-Caucasian models painted in the magazine is relatively new to us readers. Being geeks at heart, we love inclusivity and I think it's so awesome that you've got a better representation of the humans protecting mankind."

What did mister Jamie Jong mean by this?

>>51690947
Nigger, I woke up, saw thread was archived, saw no new thread, finished making a space delivery in Elite Dangerous, and then made a new thread.

I took my sweet ass time. I think a motherfucking turtle would have made a thread faster than you.

>>51691007
>Being geeks at heart, we love inclusivity

ah yes, the "all tabletop gamers are numales" meme

>>51690977
Neat. Always happy when GW makes non-imperium terrain. Cause holy fuck the Imperium gets boring quick.

>>51691007
>Being geeks at heart, we love inclusivity

We do? News to me.

Or do they mean the LOL I'M SUCH A NERD XD sort of "geek"?

>>51690977
people are saying these look shit, I think they look cool

there is also the meme that you could just buy fish tank decorations for pennies on the dollar compared to those. that is true, and I will probably be buying some fish tank toys soon.

>$130
>fucking $130

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>>51691041
>>51690977

>130$
Goddamit, it's the usual NZ-prices shitposting again

>Check GW for the actual price
What the actual fuck, it is 130$!

>>51691020
Time to chop some wood - like real men!

what is a good bodyguard to run commander farsight with? his main deal is getting into melee with his dawn blade, yet there are no tau units that are suited for melee and would only serve to occupy the enemy while farsight gets his rad attacks off.

also the only synergy farsight provides is to a squad of crisis suits by preventing scatter, so it kindof forces your hand with the type of bodyguard you ought to take.

it would be neat if there were some melee versions of crisis suits but i suppose that gets in the way of 'tau must shoot everything all the time'

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>>51691084
Wait i thought it was just in kiwidollars its actually in burger dollars

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I have:

A Ravager, SC! Eldar and DEldar, 6 Harlequin Troup Players, a Starweaver, a Death Jester, 10 Dire Avengers and 10 Wyches.

Dubs chooses my next purchase, must be from DEldar, Eldar or Harlies.

>>51691142
5 Sslyth

>>51691142
6 Reaver Jetbikes.

>>51691142
Avatar of Khaine.

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>>51691142
Any of these is fine.

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>>51691084
>What the actual fuck
Size looks deceptive, that's actually a lot of terrain because of how tall those things are.

Butt ugly, though. Just let me buy the old jungle trees, GW.

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>>51690908

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Chaos Lord with 4 Marks" bullshit that's going on in the 40k system right now. Abaddon deserves much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine 30k model for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been winning with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid Primarch with my Abaddon.

DarkMech priests spend years working on a single arm and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest arms known to mankind.

Drachn'yen is thrice as sharp as loyalist swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a relic blade can cut through, Drachn'yen can cut through better. I'm pretty sure Abaddon could easily bisect Guilliman wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why the Imperium never bothered conquering the Eye? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Traitor legions and their daemon allies of destruction. Even in the Gothic War, loyalist soldiers targeted the men with daemon weapons first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Drachn'yen is simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for Abaddon:

>>51691192
ADB please go and stay go.

>>51691176
Well its a deathworld i dont think thats suppose to look pretty

>>51691214
okay but if they want me to actually buy it, it should look good

>>51691142
A noose to hang yourself from

>>51691176

I hated those fucking things lol

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>>51691142

Eldar Phantom Titan

>>51691249
I'm not sure if you're mad about Eldar or about Ynnari specifically, mind clarifying?

>>51691299
Not on the list, I'm afraid. >>51691162
I'll make sure to get one eventually though.

>>51691230

And not cost ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FUCKING BURGERS

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>>51691299
Ha ha

>>51691142
>>51691308
Court of the Archon

>>51691142
Skathach Wraithknight.

>>51691111
Vespid?

>>51691142
Court of the Archon

A buttload of Sslyths, because they are awesome.

>>51691111
The Eight

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Tell me how dumb this is.

>Renegade Dark Angels chapter
>made up of chapter marines who came into contact with Cypher or his company and were swayed to help in his schemes

I've got more fluff thought up, but that's the basic premise.

>>51691111
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusion blades.

>>51691377
has anyone ever seen the eight fielded in a game? all up they cost like 1000 points or so and dont exactly seem like a remotely good use of points.

>>51691395

SOUNDS LIKE SOME FALLEN SHIT TO ME, MAN.

Sounds pretty good. It's literally just the Fallen, though.

>>51691107
> not chopping your own Wood
What are you, some kind of faggot?

>>51691419
1495, I think

>>51691395
No worse than the Eldar version of BSG that I came up with a few years ago.

>>51691420
That's mostly the idea, except they're not 10,000 years old. It's more of an excuse to use my donut steel paint scheme.

>>51691442

Then go right ahead, my man. It's a solid concept for Your Dudes.

>>51691419
It's OK to be suboptimal against some armies.

>>51691442
>not 10,000 years old
>probably not even gonna be painted jet-black
what's even the point

>>51691456
> not squeezing every advantage possible out of every point, every game you play, no matter what
REEEEEEEEEREE

>>51691459
They're purple

>>51691395
So like, actual loyalists?

>>51691397
fusion blades can only be used by a commander, not a regular suit.

>>51691468
That's the edge I'm walking, yes.

>>51691456
playing with the 8 as your entire army just seems like a big game of kill team for tau, ive never seen them played so id be interested to see how they would perform against a typical opponent with a semi-competitive list. itd take a lot of knowledge about alll the bodyguards and good prioritisation to know how to use them.

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HELP, should i wait until 8E 40k to pick a space marine chapter? i heard it was midway through this year

>>51691464
>acting like this in any non tourney environment, ever

REEEEEEEEEEEREE

Prediction: Abaddon will make it to Terra, strike down all of humanity's defenders, raise his sword to slay the emperor, then get punched to death by an unreasonably buff Fire Warrior with Mont'ka and Kauyon tattooed on his knuckles.

>>51691531
counter prediction: abaddon will be poised to strike at guilliman in a climactic and very stupid duel, but then roll a 1 and chop his own head off

>>51691521
No, you shouldn't.
also, you should play grey knigths, they're fun as fuck

>>51691521
Space Marines will never, ever get nerfed to unusability.

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>>51691546
>mfw tactical terminators
I'm still sad

What does it mean when GW makes something "made to order"? Does it just mean they've cast a new set of some old models to buy?

>>51691192
360 Points? I could get a knight for that.

>>51691565
I didn't know
what happened to them

>>51691084
oh boy, its $220 kangaroo dollars...

>>51691570
They literally make you a model because you made the order.

>>51691111
Empty/Flamer Crisis. They're actually fairly decent melee combatants.

>>51690977
ENTS IN SPAAACE WHEN?

>>51691521
>HELP, should i wait until 8E 40k to pick a space marine chapter?
That is the correct thing to do.

Hints would point to 40k getting a more modellistic appoach, like AoS, where you don't pay for upgrades in the units and you buy models in batch (so, boxes) instead of single models.

You'll have the same units, but in future armies will probably look far more organized and clean.

>>51691593
Okay, so their Sisters of Battle are made to order right? Anyone know if it takes longer for them to ship those?

>>51691192
Assuming that Abaddabon will become a Lord of War in the next CSM codex and that he needs a buff in order to compete with this new, End Times meta, I don't think making Drach'nyen a D weapon that only strikes once per turn (in addition to his attacks with the Talon) would be uncalled for.

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>Have 3 armies to build and paint
>know there's a few FLGS nearby where i could get regular games
>Just want to curl up and die
I just wanted a fun hobby for fucks sake

Will you be able to take triumvirate units with a regular eldar army?

I'm liking the Visarch but don't want to run an army with dark eldar in it

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>>51691620
This is what you chose

>>51691616
No, they aren't made to order.

They're regular stock. You'll wait the same amount of time as any other regular model.

>>51691575

Knights don't have 8-13 S:D Attacks and the ability to hide in a unit.

>>51691631
You can do that but you still have to use the list from the book.

>>51691631
You use the Reborn Warhost Detachment, and only take Eldar picks. You build it like a CAD, and don't have to take DEldar.

You lose Battle Focus though.

>>51691646
>>51691650
Well that sucks

Playing eldar without battle focus just doesn't sound very fun, even though you can make soulburst super broken

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>>51691632
>There will never be a Dredd 2
There is no justice in this world

>>51691661
A movie born thirty years past its time.

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>>51691580
well, a lot happened

each storm bolter could fire up to four shots (2-4, sustained fire), rather than two
they could fire their storm bolters twice a turn if stationary
the assault cannon used to be S8, and could fire up to ten shots (4-10, with sustained fire)
cyclone missile racks carried twelve rockets, and you could fire all twelve in one turn if you really wanted to nuke something
lightning claws used to be S8
thunder hammers didn't need to roll to wound
assault weapons could be freely mixed into a unit, like deathwing now

Sure a unit of five was frequently over 400 points, but they were always worth it.

>>51691644
Thats true. You don't need stomp attacks if there is nothing left to stomp. Are the marks already included?

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>>51691661
It was basically just sci fi The Raid anyway. Watch the second The Raid film.

>>51691531
Prediction: Abaddon will make it to the Golden Throne, raise up his sword to kill the Emperor, only to raise it too far back, causing him to hall backwards and go down all the steps leading up to the Golden Throne, breaking his neck on the very last one and dying.

Missed the answer on previous thread: What's the point of mixing jump/bike dudesmen with footsloggers as in Deathwatch kill teams? Do they confer some extra special rules?

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>>51690976
o-oh no

I took some advice from the last thread as a noob but maybe my new list isn't that great either

pls respond

>>51691727
I think the Bikers have Split Fire, but, for the most part, it was just a really awkward and stupid design decision. Deathwatch was a very poorly written book.

>>51691711

T5 (nurgle)
I6 (Slaanesh)
3++ (Tzeentch + Justaerin)
Rage & Counter (Khorne)

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Trying out a tank heavy cult/guard combo. Thinking about holding the throng and neophytes back a bit to let the enemy be softened up by artillery but have I sacrificed too many points into tanks and not enough boots on the ground?

>>51691727
No rerolls or anything, but you can pull some coherency shenanigans to get into cc easier.

>>51691142
why did they make the Yncarne so sexual? I want to propagate the opposite of death

>>51690908
Not gonna lie I really like the Tau here, I feel something more overtly humanoid like the aliens from Space Battleship Yamato would look better than what they've already got.

>>51691750
I would start with actually taking the advice instead of kinda following a little bit of the advice and then sprinting off in new, retarded directions.

Daemon Princes really want psykery in order to be effective, and they tend to become extremely expensive as a result.

You still don't have any Legion indication, you still aren't following a legion detachment.

You still have ten-man units.

Helcult is kinda meh. It's alright if you really want a Helbrute, but I'd rather just take one in a Warband and let him hide behind a Rhino for cover.

>>51691792
Because he's a sibling of Slaanesh.

They're similar.

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>>51691793
>not liking the cold beauty of tau women (canon)

do you even Greater Good?

>>51691727
Vanguards let you reroll charge dice and ignore disordered charge penalties as long as the vanguards are alive
bikers I don't know.

>>51691750
Same advice as was given last thread. Look into Traitor Legions, pick one, use the Legion/Traitors Hate Detachment.

>>51691814
Not really, I don't think they do the faux-Japanese look well enough IMO but that's just autism and you don't have to persuade me otherwise.

>>51691540
>rolls a one

So his daemonblade kills him, i like that. Too many characters interact with daemons and have nothing bad happen to them

>>51691888
I think the daemon that killed Abaddon in such a fashion will experience torture beyond all torture at the hands of the chaos gods.

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ok, so which space marine chapter do I pick?
give me your totally biased and unfounded opinions

>>51691695
>3+ armor save on 2d6

So they need snake eyes to fail? That's pretty cool.

>>51691933
You posted them.

>>51691933
Novamarines

>>51691888
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>51691933
do you like chain weapons?
do you like harrying the enemies of mankind in the dark void?
do you like wading pools?

>>51691799
>>51691823
I did take that advice, I will use a traitor legion, I just didn't put it on that list software. Probably Alpha Legion to infiltrate stuff. And I took 2 smaller squads but I do at least want a couple 10 man squads for modelling reasons.

As for the Daemon Prince, I'm not really sure what to do for an HQ, it seems like I don't have enough points to take an HQ and a fast escort, I don't know what I should remove if I do.

>>51691817
How's skilled rider? Ignoring dangerous terrain tests is situational boon.

>>51691958
What possible model reason necessitates the one ten-man squad instead of two five-man squads?

Just take the Sorcerer and stick him into one of the CSM squads. Hell, you could afford 2 ML2 Spell Familiar Sorcerers in the place of that Prince, and they would do significantly more work.

Daemon Princes are in a very awkward spot. They're rather fragile for their point cost, unless they just swoop around the table OR get the right psychic powers. You pretty much always take armor, as they're too susceptible to small arms fire without it, and you always take Psykery, as otherwise they often do very little. If you really want a naked flying prince, go Nurgle and just Jink into CC.

>>51691935
Yep. If you weren't shooting them with things like lascannons (with.. -7 modifiers, I think? -6?), they usually just never died.

Khorne terminators (and abaddon) had 2+ saves on 2D6, so you had to have at least a -1 modifier to even have a chance at hurting them.

>>51691838
This just in tau are an amalgamation of all far eastern cultures, but the way in which they fight is mostly Korean

>>51691952
Too bad there are only chain swords in regular marines sprues

How viable is this Ultramarines list?

Combined Arms Detachment

Captain (1) - Artificer armor, Power Sword - 125pts

Assault Squad (5) - Vet Sergeant, Power Axe, Melta Bombs - 100pts

Stormraven Gunship (1) - Twin-linked lascannon,Typhoon missile launcher - 225pts

Tactical Squad (10) - Vet Sergeant, Combi-Grav, Grav-Gun - 175pts
Rhino (1) - 35pts

Tactical Squad (10) - Vet Sergeant, Combi-Grav, Grav-Gun - 175pts
Rhino (1) - 35pts

Devastator Squad (5) - 4 Missile Launchers - 130pts

Can someone tell me which colour scheme I should go for my Sisters of Battle?

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>>51691947
was actually looking at them, i love their colour scheme with gold trim, gets me rock hard

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>>51692046

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>>51691933
Steel Confessors, Iron Hands successor chapter, silver and bone colour scheme. Battle Cry is fucking "Destroy the Weak!"

The only chapter besides Ultramarines to get a life size statue at GW.

Created by the Adeptus Mechanicus in secret to be loyal to them, the Inquisition found out and put a stop to that shit, so now they operate as a regular SM chapter, only with a very close relationship with the Ad Mech.

They are criminally underepresented, both in fluff and on the table, and they're my Space Marine Chapter of choice.

>>51691952
yea theyre cool but so edgy, also i prefer power weapons to chain weapons

>>51692049
Why are you buying Veteran Sergeants and then not buying them a melee weapon? Where is the captain going? How does he plan on getting into melee?

>>51691933
> chapter
> not legion
Pkeb

>>51692082
Captain plus Assault Squad in the Stormraven

Vet sergeants are mainly there for morale, do you think I should replace them?

>>51692049
1000 pts btw

>>51691838
Why would I want them to look faux Japanese? That's the Eldar's shtick.

>>51692071
i love the gorgon, hes in my top 3 primarchs for sure, but im not a fan of ad mech and cybernetic enhances(to the extreme) as a flavour.
i think its cool but its just not my thinf

>>51692046
Easy enough to fix
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Chain-Axes

>>51692009
>What possible model reason necessitates the one ten-man squad instead of two five-man squads?

It looks cool, and I want at least 4 different styles of unifying aesthetics with significant representation, horn helmets, topknots, etc.

So should I just take 2 ML2 sorcerers in the 10 man squads by knocking them down to 9? What about 1 sorcerer and 1 chaos lord?
cohesive

>>51692054

Order of Our Martyred Lady.

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>>51691192 it's a shame to see him killed by a friking BOLT PISTOL!!

>>51692054
Nobody here knows any of them except the Black, Red, and Gold one.

>>51692054
Order of the Bloody Rose

>>51691543
I play Grey Knights. Stop lying. GK life is pain.

I'm making my warscythe necron lords out of Lychguard. How should I paint them to differentiate them from lychguard?

>>51692178
The only good Chaos Lord builds are Juggernaut and Nurgle Biker. Foot Lords, and pretty much all foot melee units, are trash in this edition.
>inb4 meme-tier teleporting death star players protesting

Give them those unique characteristics, and then just deploy them separately on the table.

Seriously, you're taking enough bodies to fit your list into a Warband. Do that.

>>51692111
ATSKNF already lets you ignore most morale crap, drop the Veteran Sergeants.

If you're going to do with full 10-man units with Grav, go all the way and grab the Grav-Cannon. You'd be be better off with fitting your army into a Demi-company and just throwing the flyer into an Air Supremacy Wing or whatever its called from Death from the Skies..

>>51692252
>>51692232
I wanna paint them up really well, I was thinking of using the white and red colour scheme originally, but I can't find what order that's supposed to be and painting white is painful.

>>51692298
Solid gold. Anrakyr is love.

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>>51692309
Order of the Sacred Rose?

>>51692312

I've been doing progressively mroe gold for each rank up.

Warriors get none, Immortals get the headstripe, Lychguard get shoulders and headdress. Haven't done lords or overlord yet.

>>51692326
Then why are you asking this question? You have a pattern.

>>51692339

Because I don't know what to go up to next without making the lords and overlord Full Oscar Statues.

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>>51692323
>Order of the Sacred Rose
Otherwise yes, but they have black cloaks on the outside.

>>51692354
>without making the lords and overlord Full Oscar Statues.
Only cowards put limitations on themselves.

>>51692299
>If you're going to do with full 10-man units with Grav, go all the way and grab the Grav-Cannon. You'd be be better off with fitting your army into a Demi-company and just throwing the flyer into an Air Supremacy Wing or whatever its called from Death from the Skies..

That doesn't fit into 1000 points though

>>51691299
s-script! doesn't couuuuuunt!

>>51692354
>>51692367

Reminder that pharaohs would literally paint their skin gold. Go full Egyptian. Give into the tackiness.

>>51692389
Doesn't count because it wasn't on the list I posted. I'll get one eventually, but not next.

>>51692323
>>51692355
It's funny because "a rose" is euphemistic for a virginal vagina especially in regards to deflowering it. These sisters think their pussies are sacred.

>>51691661
literally the only good capeshit movie in history and it doesn't get a sequel because normies are mcfucking retarded

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51692326
Give them gold heads, like a death mask, them maybe use griffon gold as a drybrush over the rest of the body

>>51692433
it wasn't memed enough

look at Deadpool. it was a great movie and about on par with Dredd in terms of faithfullness to the source material and overall quality, but Deadpool got memed pretty hard in advertising so it did well. Dredd went under a lot of radars. I don't get movie studios sometimes.

>>51692431
Well since you brought sex into it, I guess I have no choice.

>>51692433
>literally the only good capeshit movie in history

Nah, Marvel's doing pretty good.

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Not really looking to change this much more but looking for tactics/lists that will cause me trouble. PDF is the vindicator fw rules.


+++ dg cad (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2019) (1846pts) +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2012) ++

+ Uncategorised +

····Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

····Show Forgeworld

+ HQ +

····Sorcerer [Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Blight grenades, Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Mark of Nurgle, Melta bombs, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War]

+ Troops +

····Plague Marines [4x Plague Marine, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
······Chaos Rhino [Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher]
······Plague Champion [Bolt Pistol, Plague knife]

····Plague Marines [4x Plague Marine, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
······Chaos Rhino [Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher]
······Plague Champion [Bolt Pistol, Plague knife]

····Plague Marines [4x Plague Marine, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
······Chaos Rhino [Extra Armour, Havoc Launcher]
······Plague Champion [Bolt Pistol, Plague knife]

+ Fast Attack +

····[FW] Blight Drones [Blight Drones]

····[FW] Blight Drones [Blight Drones]

····Chaos Spawn [Mark of Nurgle, 2x Spawn]

+ Heavy Support +

····[FW] Deimos Pattern Vindicator Tank Destroyer

····[FW] Deimos Pattern Vindicator Tank Destroyer

++ Formation Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2012) ++

+ Uncategorised +

····Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

+ Formation +

····Helcult
······Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 28x Cultists, Mark of Nurgle]
······Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 28x Cultists, Mark of Nurgle]
······Helbrute [Power scourge]
········Power fist [Combi-bolter]

>>51692299
well his Lord could take Vipers Bite from the AL relic list and go around with the Plasma guys rhino

>>51692464

Reminder there's actually an Overlord with not only a death mask but SANGUINIUS' DEATH MASK.

>>51692506
What
How
Where

>When the 198th Cadian Shrinestormers made planetfall to reinforce their comrades upon Donoria Prime, the entire planet was deserted – not a sign of man nor beast was to be found, and many Imperial tanks were still idling.
>To date, there are no signs of that which abducted the regiments save a single playing card bearing the image of a steel serpent, found pinned by dagger to the forehead of the planetary governor.

Excuse me?
I'm not that deep into the fluff.

Help?

>>51692482
t. audiencedumb

Can I take one of the kill team members from the box set by themselves? I want to run branatar in my salamanders

>>51692541

Sounds like Alpha Legion.

>>51692541
Playing card and neat work implies Harlequins.
Steel serpent implyins Alpha Legion which could have tricked everyone.

But 40k is mysterious and somethings are just everyones guess.

Shrinestormers implyis that it might be some retaliation act. So probably Harlequins.

>>51692541
Where'd you read that

>>51692484
do you insist on running the PM as PM? since you dont even use their main advantage over regular CSM with MoN (double specialist weapon). You could probably take another 5 man squad with the points spared. The vidicators should get combibolters just to save the demolisher from weapon destroyed.

>>51692561
>>51692562
Alpha Legion is Hydra.
Serpent would be Thousand Sons.

But steel serpent? The Dragon? Seems unlikely.

>>51692563
Fracture of Biel-Tan

>>51692541
Clearly, it was the Iron Snakes

>>51692541
it was the craftworld rapetan

Working on new ynnari list, this might be cheesey, but im intending some very competetive tournaments with it. Id voluntarily give myself cancer/aids if i brought this to my local store. I do like friends

My army list would be 3 reborn host detachments
#1
Lhamaean 10
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
Wraithknight, 2 wraith cannons 295
=710

#2
Lhamaean 10
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
3 scatter bikes 81
Wraithknight, 2 wraith cannons 295
=710

#3
Lhamaean 10
Scatter bikes x3 81
Scatter bikes x3 81
Scatter bikes x3 81
Bikes x2 + 1 scatter laser bike 61
Venom dedicated transport extra Splinter Cannon 65
Warriors x 5, Sybarite 50
=429
429+710+710 = 1849

This army has 2 wraith knights, 40 scatter lasers and 1 Venom
Also all these are reborn warhost. Each warhost numbering 7 models allows YOU (the player) to perform an extra soulburst.
Every unit you lose, you can trigger 4 Soulburst!!! Obviously both wraithknight and 2 units of 3 scatterbikes
That's retarded i think. Also the 3rd detachment here is your primary, Sybarite is there to give you a warlord trait, go strategic.
Shoot anything and EVERYTHING off the board.

>>51692569
DG PMs are 23 points for fearless, def grenades, 2 attacks, two cc weapons, poison, t5, fnp, and relentless.

DG csm with MoN are 18 points for t5, fnp, and relentless.

I know the internet says csm are better but five dg pms are really good at taking and holding shit to the last model. Been playing csm for a while and that lack of fearless/stubborn screws you over big time late game.

Both units work just giving my two cents on why I despise csm, they run at the WORST time.

Note taken on combi.......good idea

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I want to build this for a casual environment. Am I gonna get tabled every game?

So with the Alpha Legion decurion and the Lost and the Damned formation do you get 2 sets of cultists on a 4+?

>>51692667
PM are 24 points and CSM are 16 points, if you give them additional ccw they are 18 point. And all DG units are fearless by default. you are paying 6-8 points per model for poison 4+ and blight grenades.

>>51692650
Ugh thats nasty. Even the fragility of your list is interesting since killing one squad of scats might trigger a retaliation of 64 S6 shits.

Also the last detachment has 6 choices. Swap venom into FA-choice. Playing with a list like that, I wouldnt allow you to change that during the game.

Also does the detachment bonus really stack like that? I thought/think it only triggers for units in the detachment they belong.

This triggering also raises the point of WK weapons. They might actually want shoulder weapons this time because that retaliation-shot is so much more powerful than normal shooting.

>>51692747
They did errata on that. You get only one set of units but on 3+.

>>51692747
nope read the recent FAQ on GWs Website. The roll is only modified by +1

>>51692767
Damn, that's disappointing. Guess it was broken?

>>51691142
fire dragons

>>51692729
no you wont get tabled because its nearly impossible to kill celestine

>>51692758
i think dedicated transport still counts as a unit no? if not fast attack is no big deal.

the wording on the reborn warhost says "if this detachment includes 7 or more units, you can select one additional unit to make a soulburst action each time a unit is destroyed." it says you may select, and has no restriction on them being part of a unit or something. Now obviously, you would be very vulnerable to say apocalyptic blasts and you can't soulburst with a unit more than once but if you play smart and the opponent fucks up because they go WTF 4 SOULBURST OMG then you can maximize this well

>>51692786
Nah not really. Its just annoying cultist scum. GW just hates you.

>Traitor marines joining the empire
y/n?

>>51692814
I am actually a guard player, just have some cultists from dark vengeance I never painted and thought about going into Alpha Legion.

>>51692836
Tau Empire, Necron Empire or one of Orks Empire?

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Is this gonna be good enough for a tournament?

Not sure about the Pseudogenerator, not having Skyfire and only having Grav-Kataphrons and no Plasma. Any thoughts or suggestions?

>>51692846
>>51692814
Seems like GW just hates fun, haha.

>>51692869
Fuck it, all of them.

>>51692836
But anon, Dark Angels are already part of the empire.

>>51692831
Waifufags pls go

>>51692883
If they can pay. Depends on the legion/chapter.

>>51692892
>Not masturbating to the emperor exclusively
Anon what are you doing with your life?

>>51691142
MORE WYCHES

>>51692831
Are their legs nacked?

>>51692923
That's how they were painted, yeah.

>>51692906
>implying i dont have The Emperors picture pinned up everywhere
Loving The Emperor not some harlot that fights for him.

>>51692778
>>51692767
its really crap. its one of the main detachment bonuses for the alpha legion, and its honestly craptactular. EC get combat drugs, adn we get this
SAD

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>>51690996
WE'Z USIN' SPEEDEERZ NOW!!!

>>51692831
I want to bury my head between her thighs, grab her hips and suck her feminine benis.

>>51692806
Ah it said units. I kinda remembered "choices".

And yeah it actually works like you said. Damn thats nasty.

>>51692960
it's called a clitty

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>>51691933
Pic related says it all.

>>51692753
Hmm I had thought they were not fearless.

Cool time to retool this a bit.

>>51693019
>inb4 calgar sacrifices himself to save rowboat

>>51693019
But Anon, Calgar's sugar daddy is coming back to pimp-slap him back to the dark age of technology.
Also the whole idea of replacing the Emperor is retarded. That would be like removing Darth Vader from Star Wars
Or the pip-boy from Fallout
Or Aragorn from Lord of the Rings
Or George Washington from the declaration of Indepence
Or Putin from Russia

>>51692753
>>51693032
I'm glad to see basic CSM getting some wo-

>they're basically just cheaper cult troops and nobody actually cares about fluff

oh

>>51691007
>>51691020
>>51691034
Well, historically, nerds and geeks have always been outsiders to some extent, and communities that are somewhat outside the mainstream do tend to be more accepting. What defines a nerdy pastime is changing now, with games becoming mainstream, but 40K definitely ain't there yet. The main difference for a lot of us is that we're adults now and we generally don't care what our fellow adults do in their free time unless it's something illegal or unreasonably creepy. For Timmy Teen who plays Space Yiffs it's not the same yet.

And I can certainly say we're pretty inclusive of peeps with bizarre disorders and head problems, considering how many sperglords the average LGS caters to.

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>>51693083
>he thinks Roboute is his sugar daddy
>not the other way around
Kek. Papa Smurf's only letting big daddy smurf out of the freezer so he can see the greatest Ultramarine to ever live, and proclaim him his spiritual liege.

Do Ynnari units get a soulburst action if their transport is destroyed?

If Necron Warriors are the civilians and Immortals are the soldiers...how come warriors are WS4/BS4 just like Immortals?

>>51693156
I would believe so but what units are going in transports?

>>51693156
Nah. Only non-vehicles trigger it for non-vehicles.

>>51691933
If you don't pick Iron Hands or Salamanders you are legally bound to trade in your cock for two vaginas.

Or a giant floppy wolf tail and a harddrive full of Jay Naylor comics if you pick Space Wolves. It just flops there uselessly, wagging uncomfortably whenever someone says "wolf."

>>51693156
I don't think the ones in the transport do, since they aren't on the board until after it dies, but anything else not in a transport nearby would

>>51693160
Fluff is an abstraction.

>>51693160
Because they are both robots.

>>51692071
I would do these guys so hard if it weren't for their retardedly hard chapter badge.

>>51693174
Anything and everything that can fit in a Raider

>>51693175
Soulburst is triggered when vehicle units are destroyed, but only non-vehicle units can soul burst

>>51693186
This makes sense given the recent FAQs

>>51693160
Immortals occupied a higher caste than warriors.

They're more themselves, entitled to more devastating and powerful weapons. But their motorfunction and hull is largely identical to a Warrior.

Warriors were dregs, with nothing of themselves enduring but vague essences. They exist to die for more important people, all they are is soul powered weapons protocols and the necron equivalent of a flesh borer/lasrifle.

>aeldari

>that moment when Rowboat bows down to Captain Sicarius and proclaims him the true leader of Ultramarines.

>>51691142
Inuci

>>51691979
Skilled rider is great. Charge through terrain no penalty, never ever lose a guy to dangerous terrain and +1 to junk save. Unph.

How long till Imperial Navy full codex?

>>51692831
MOMMY

>>51692831
more?

>>51693265


>imagines Girlyman as this guy
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APXLid0D584

>>51691546
>what is motherfucking Deathwatch

>>51692831
>even the base is thicc

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Hey all, crossposting from /wip/ because I need other ideas. I've been painting my Skitarii similar to pic related, but as I've gotten further along with the robes I've realised I don't like the russ grey, so I'm looking for alternatives. I preferably want something dark to contrast the bright armour colours; I've currently thought of black, the black-green FW use on their Skitarii and I've also need a purple-red online. Any input is appreciated!

>>51693376

Deathwatch are good if you're not a dumbass who tries to build an entire army out of them.

>>51693101
Well its the way GW made the rules. Its the same with World Eaters. Their CSM are just bezerkes without WS 5 and chainaxes, that can take melta and flamer

>>51693376
Deathwatch are just glorified sternguard stop kitting them with overpriced melee weapons and they are just fine

>>51692831

>Come sister, lets punish them in the name of the moon"
>Lady celestine Did you mean the Emperor?


>>51693356

Guilliman RIchfield is going to be the better shit since Samuel L. Vulkan in the beast Arises

>>51693430
cult troops should really just be folded into basic CSM. As-is there isn't really much reason to use any of them aside from maybe noise marines

>>51692279
>what is deathwatch
You do not know true pain spoiled child

>>51693416
How do you get such need highlights?

>>51693474
you are not even allowed to weep
get on csm level

>>51693465
But you could solve that by making god specific weapon lists.

>>51693421
>allies
So who use them the best and how do you best make allies out of them?

>>51693536

Begone heletic
This is between true sons of the emperor

>>51693430
yeah I know, I'm just slightly sad that the units are designed in a way that makes other units useless, I want all things to be special and good. I have been running generic CSM since I started this game, they are basically my de facto favorite unit at this point since I have done the most modelling and played the most games with them by far.

>>51693465
They should, and Chosen should just be terminator veterans in power armor. There could be so many interesting things done with this game if GW wasn't so hard on pushing models for every single unit. 40k is going the Skyrim route, but I want Arena.

If I was writing 40k I would make literally hundreds of different units for each codex (actually I would just make all the unit entries be in the rulebook because the codex system is more bullshit to sell things but let's not go down that rabbit hole of worms) but of course you would have to convert plenty of them, and I would want to have plenty of fun impractical units like rogue trader had.

>chaos space marines unit entry
>can be upgraded to cult troops
>can be upgraded to veterans
>can be upgraded to terminator veterans
>can be upgraded to havocs
>anti-plant grenades and heavy web guns are back baby, but you gotta make the bits yourself
>all kinds of gubbins like capes, protective masks, medical packs, tattoos, augmentations, mutations, all have rules

You could make a lot of the MEQ stuff just one entry, same with jump units, etc. and that frees up opportunities to represent a shitload of the things left out in the codices, 40k's lore is basically endless after several IRL decades of production. We could also have various types of cultists from renegade mobs to full blown god-worshippers, specialized forge slaves for iron warriors, all kinds of different bikers, like 50 different HQ archetypes because of the absurd number of characters in the 40k universe, the fun never ends.

>wah there are no bits for this

there's no time to git gud like the present

>>51693536
CSM have it better than Tyranids or Orks

Traitor legions didn't fix anything, but at least CSM don't get really fired up.

>>51693610
>If I was writing 40k
If you would, nobody would play it. Go play P&P RPGs if you want endless diversity.

>>51693635
look at the recent thousand son release and say that again

>>51693474
>fag cannon spam baby is crying

>>51693658
t. the reason for fallout 4

>>51693610
I'm totally ok with having seperate unit entries as long as there is a purpose. Noise marines, for example, are really just fearless chaos marines with a mark of slaanesh. Berserkers are WS5 fearless marines with mark of khorne

>>51693660
that was just one supplement. You have four others you know, as well as the base codex.

>>51693673
>fag little bitch is triggered

Is Grav Kataphron spam a bullshit tactic or does the 4+ armor make it fair?

>>51693677
>WS5 fearless marines with mark of khorne and furious charge*
not having it baked into the icon is relevant, even if only just

>>51693635
>Traitor legions didn't fix anything

it made certain builds solidly mid tier, which is a massive improvement. but yeah, new codex with non-useless defilers and warp talons WHEN

>le raptor talon formation

raus

>>51693675
I own Fallout1 and 2.

>>51693697
i play orks. fuck you
>muh muhreens with extra toys dont have enuff extra toys
get fukt

>>51693726
Fair. Spamming S2 weapons against orks is not good tactic. And they are not sturdy.

Yeah they are good unit but not spammable.

>>51693751

Rip

>>51693732
don't talk to me again until you have tough guy moded fallout tactics with self-imposed permadeath

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>Genestealer Cults have been found on Terra already in the 4th generation phase
>Custodes and Assassins have been mobilized to try and shut them down

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>>51693729
>new codex with non-useless defilers
not likely

GW stopped selling defilers

>>51693779
Dear jesus, FO:T is bad game. It was and it still is.

>>51693752
But what if the only Ork player at my store uses exclusively Bikes and Walkers and the only Tyranid player Warriors and other 3+ and 4+ units? And every other player uses a MEQ army with 3+ armor.

>>51693785
Still available on the UK site, so I wouldn't read anything into that.

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>>51693780
>inb4 Custodes and Assassins have Genestealers in their midst already

>>51693800
They're available in Finland too, but then I thought maybe they're just selling out their old stock?

>>51692071
>The only chapter besides Ultramarines to get a life size statue at GW
We have a life size Dark Angel at GW HQ in Memphis

Is there any point level in which a footslogging Space Marine army (with or without non-transport armored support) is feasible?

I want to play my good old Black Tide but it really seems unlikely to even get into charge range before being shot off the board these days.

>>51693849
Yeah but that's not the same as Nottingham.

>>51693483
Oh, hah, I wish! This is a model online that I was basing my scheme off of. I just colour corrected the black robes to russ grey (which is what the original image for the guys was, but I misenterpreted), but I'm not sure if I wanna copy it wholesale.

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>>51693808
>The Emperor died centuries ago, and there's a Patriarch on the Golden Throne

I mean, it's kinda viable, but it's got too many "you screwed". You're screwed is deployment isn't Dawn of War, you're screwed if you go second, you're screwed if Tau Castle, etc etc.

It's just easier to cram your guys into rhinos or land raiders.

>>51693894
Never said it was. Just pointing out we had some too. Not sure how many life sized statues of marines are out there.

>>51693867
1000 is the highest points where I can see it still working. Beyond that you get too much long range firepower to really burn them down.

>>51693416
There are way too many colors there, makes the entire model look incoherent and messy. Try to get a contrasting color to the metal, maybe something like white or cream or the complete opposite way and a total black.

>>51691162

If 11, 22, 33, 44, or 55 you buy a 3 Vauls Wrath Support Batteries and a Warlock to go with them (fuck you, it's one unit). Your choice of weapons.

If 66, 77, 88, 99, or 00 you buy Scourge and give them Haywire

List of shit that should make Roboute turn heretic:
>smurfs get confused and can't fight when the Codex doesn't explain what they need to do in every possible situation
>the High Lords
>the whole Inquisition
>the Ecclesiarchy
>the Officio Assassinorum
But instead Matt Ward is back so Roboute is gonna be Mr Super Awesome Hero Man that will save everyone, see the above as "necessary evils" and be the bad enough dude.

>>51694044
>44
Whoooops.

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>>51694044

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>bring tanks and Land Raiders to the table
>Skyhammer lands on top of my army
>take tanks and Land Raiders off the table
>lose all Tech Marines to the Assault Squads

This isn't how things were meant to be.
Even if it's a tier 1 Formation it shouldn't so easily wipe out things that are meant to survive at least a turn or two.

>>51694044
Kay, will do.

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>>51693958
Okay so posting that wasn't working. Here's a shitty picture of my Vanguard Alpha (I've not got a lightbox or proper light setup, I just wanted to try and demonstrate)

>>51694070
hot

>>51691142
PAIN ENGINES

>>51694076
Well my Warp smith killed the last assault marines he came by on his own. Doesn't the techmarine have a poweraxe?

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Hey /tg/, which Space Marine armour variants are canonically interchangeable? I want to make a Carcharodons army with a bunch of Mk IV and Mk V armour in (yes I realize they're supposed to have Mk V mostly, but Mk IV looks cooler, sue me). Am I alright to mix the two? And also which other variants can be mixed?

I know nobody really cares and it's plausible that my spess sherks just figured something out in the cold, voidy voidyness of the void but my autism insists that each guy at least has a plausible combination

>>51694076
Spread out. Don't let him concentrate everything in one place. Make him pick and choose his targets. Spreading out also gives him less stuff for his pods to "bounce off" of if he gets weird scatter.

>>51693787
opinion descarted

>>51694182
>which Space Marine armour variants are canonically interchangeable?

All of them, I believe. The earlier, more specialized suits, like Marks 2 and 3, might be a bit difficult to integrate with newer armour pieces, but as far as I'm aware it's theoretically possible to get any combination of parts to work together.

>>51694182
Mark V armor is literally scrap pile tier armor made,out of a mix of other sets with the gaps filled with cheap stuff. Those guys are out on the fringes anyways, so nobody is going to get on them for that.

At most, just save the MK IV stuff for veterans, and have the rest be MK V

>>51694182
>>51694236
yeah all the marks are interchangeable aside from thunder armour
chaos marines do it all the time

>>51694080

They're kind of pricey $-wise so now I feel bad. But if it makes you feel any better, I run 3 with a Warlock in my Ulthwe list (magnetized) and they're pretty good. Putting D-Cannons on them trolls the fuck out of people even if you don't get to shoot anything with them, basically it's a giant bubble where vehicles refuse to go. The mesh thingy (can't remember the damn name) is good too. Don't use Vibro cannons since they suck.

>>51694252
>>51694251
>>51694236


Oh. I swore I'd seen some anon having a rage fit before because someone combined the wrong helmet with armour it wouldn't fit on or something. Never mind then.

Plan is basically exactly as stated, Mk IV is for sergeants etc. In Red Tide they spend a lot of time talking about how the important Carcharodon dudes get super fancy ancient blessed armour with a billion honour markings on it (ie maori-looking shit) and everyone else re-uses the same armour 10,000 guys have died in before. lel

>>51694076
>things that are meant to survive at least a turn or two
>tanks
Tanks don't have stacked armour/invulnerable saves and functional immunity to pretty much every conventional form of instant death. Tanks can't hide inside cover without risking immobilization and immediately losing a third of their functional health. And hull points in general mean that you are guaranteed to die in three glancing hits, rather than it being a random 1/6 shot.

They are not meant to or expected to survive very long. And it sucks.

>>51694287
That's fine man, don't worry about it. I like those things.

>>51691933
White Scars, eveyone else does.

>>51691467
Point still stands, why bother having worse fallen when you can just have fallen?
How about you just make a DA Successor chapter who met Cypher and turned loyal with him. Unless this was the original idea and I just missed it.

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>>51691933
The greatest of them all, obviously.

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Is it just me, or did GW just substantially raise all of their prices on the store overnight

>>51692506
>>51692525

First off, not a random overlord. It's the fucking Silent King. Also, the Silent King met with Sangy at some point during the horus heresy. Also, the Silent King speaks to Dante.

Fuck you Laruie Goldberg.

>>51694464
nevermind, I'm retarded. It set me to NZ prices for some reason.

>>51691620
How is it not fun? It is a beer and pretzels game. Have you only had all of your hobby experience from 4chan? If so, and you took all of this as fact, you are probably the most gullible, naieve and stupid person to have come on this board.
Make your dudes, paint your dudes, go have a game.

>>51694287
i don't get why they changed vibrocannons from 4th, even when they were autohitting everything in a line they only did d6 s5 ap-. i doubt people took them then

>>51694507
Does it to me also anon dont worry we can both be retarded together.

>>51694444
I thought the spiritual liege meme was fake

>>51694544
>memes about Fagg Ward
>fake
m8

>>51694544
not fake, but the amount of dumb people crying bitch tears about it have eclipsed it in absurdity

>>51694569
I mean /tg/ is full of shit on most things, so i just took it as a meme from some anti marine fags. I have never been more wrong. He is now on the shitlist for saying the Blood Angels are mutants

>magnus gets awesome psychic powers
>row boat is a master diplomat
>horus is emperor lite
>lorgar gets the powers of being prone to fanaticism

wtf i hate emperor now

>>51694590
>/tg/ full of shit about Fagg Ward
MATE

>>51694601
>diplomat
state builder*

>>51694601
>each Primarch is a microcosm of the Emperor
>every Primarch has glaring flaws
>the Emperor is a flawed being

>>51694464
Looks the same to me, check to see if it changed where you are shipping to

>>51694623
The Emperor has no flaws it was chaos that caused the flaws in his sons

>>51694641
see: >>51694507

>>51694623
His only flaw is being too perfect

>>51694601
Rouboute is the bureaucrat extraordinaire that knows how to build and construct a lasting empire. Lorgar is the diplomat.

>>51694623
>Emperor split himself up into his 20 sons knowing he'd eventually die
>all Primarchs fuse together to form Emperor 2.0
>his flaws separate into another warp being
>become EVIL EMPEROR as new warp god

>>51694645
The Primarchs are greater daemons with their minds erased and given human form. Seriously.

>>51694623
The emperor has 20 flaws. 2 of them bad enough to kull entire legions for it, and anotherone can't be contained in one body, it need 2.

>>51694684
greater daemons are pussies compared to primarchs tho

The greater daemons during the emps journey to molech would have been superpussies because the chaos gods weren't so powerful

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>>51694623
Some are pure.

>>51694684
This sounds like Black Library bullshit if true.

>>51694680
With al these flaws he wouldn't surive one day in a place where even Draigo went mad.

>>51694684
Source

>>51691192
I know this is meant to be a joke but yeah, Drach'nyen has always been the most powerful known single blade in the setting. It's pretty insane.

>>51694748
that's only because marneus calgar's never had a chance to break it in half with his big hands

>>51694711
Brother not even Sanguinius was pure. His flaw stays with us all today.

>>51694182
Mark II and III
Mark IV and V
Mark VI and VII
Mark VI and VIII

>>51694716
Draigo went mad?

>>51694769
You're probably right

After all, even the Wailing Doom loses all power in his presence.

>>51694779
His only flaw was his genetics. Can't really blame him for that.

>>51694801
He's not one of those Prandium pansies, after all.

>>51694711

Red thirst, black rage, and giant mutant wings.

So with all these cool new daemon models and popularity can anyone else see the probability of incoming nerfs?

>>51692095
>Pkeb
N-no you are

>>51694893
Not until Eldar get another buff.

>>51694730
Not him but i remember reading in one of the black library books that primarchs had more in common with deamons than they did with the emperor. Not to mention their stats are identical to a greater daemon's.

>>51694893
no but possibly some grey knight buffs, they're not that good at fighting daemons anyway. i doubt the next supplement will buff grey knights that much despite the special character

>>51694801
Well, it's the God of War incarnate against a fragment of some prissy spehss elf "god". What did you expect?
Being Khaine must be suffering

>>51694883
The red thirst is the only thing that Sanguinius had. The Black rage Came from his death against the traitor Horus. The wings were not a flaw but a problem from when chaos stole him from the Emperor. They became a better asset when used in the service of the Imperium than the chaos gods could of ever guessed

>>51694798
Have you never seen TTS by Bruva Alfabusa?

>>51694974

>Be Khaine's shards
>Become an Avatar
>Fuck yeah, time to go kill some-
>Get trampled by Carnifexes

>O-okay that didn't go so well. At least I can defend a Craftworld against filthy mon-keigh!
>Manifest, get read to fuck up some Space Marines
>They just blow a hole in the roof and chuck you out into space

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>51694974
khaine is a complete asshole who deserves to suffer and be emasculated by space marines until he starts to like it