/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

First for Telvanni

Anybody know anything about the Land Dreugh, and where the idea for them came from in the first place?

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What is everyone's favorite in-game book?

I enjoyed The Black Arrow and Immortal Blood, as well as that letter by Vivec describing what happened at red mountain

>>51682014
The Lusty Argonian Maid was a 11/10

>>51682014
Obligatory Real Barenziah.
PRICKLY PUSSY PRICK.

Made this post last thread, but nobody's really delivered.
I'd really like to hear about anyone's UESRPG campaigns.

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>>51682044
I know you're just memeing but it's great the devs have a sense of humor and don't take their world seriously all the time. Tamriel would be pretty awful if it was just another grimdark Tolkien rip off.

Hence why I like skooma cats lots despite the whole furry thing

>>51682081
Right?

>>51682014
A Hypothetical Treachery

Was pretty cool finding it in a chest with a weak healing potion.

The Third Door is also pretty good.

>>51681994
Dreugh already existed as an enemy in morrowind in some regions of the sea between vvardenfell and the mainland.
Land dreugh are meant to be a point in the dreugh's lifecycle where they grow a hard exoskeleton and come onto land to mate and lay eggs. Not sure who in the team originally came up with the idea though.

>>51682081
What are some other funny things that they put in, I feel like there are more but I forget them.

>>51682146
Thanks anon

>>51681933
Okay, convince me /tgesg/ Why should I go back to play some of the previous ES games? I actually did play Oblivion and hated it due to poorly thought out gameplay. What is the appeal of Morrowind and Daggerfall (and a lesser extent Arena).

Currently 3 sessions into a 5e game using TES as a setting.
The group has run into a settlement of khajiit farming some land east of leyawiin.
I know most of the background lore and history of the khajiit, but does anyone have any real information on how day to day khajiiti society is different to niben culture?
I've already told them that the society is agrarian, and the architecture is unique in that they live in small bowers made of bent wood and the woven discarded leaves of moonsugar cane. Any other helpers to really make them feel real?

>>51682151
You can check the UESP easter egg pages but off the top of my head
>eltonbrand
>falling wizards
>fat lute
>creature merchants in Morrowind
>M'Aiq
>a potion of true shot next to a toilet bucket in skyrim

>>51682233
I know the rest, but falling wizards?

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>>51682014
Song of Pelinal

He's an inspiration.

>>51682208
Have you told them that it's indecent to show chest fur in public?

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>>51682079
Joke's on you, we don't actually talk about UESRPG here. It's just an excuse to let us have a vidya thread on /tg/.

>>51682441
consarnit

>>51682441
Did see one cool campaign on here, though. Was set during the great Thrassian Plague outbreak.

>>51682503
Wish I could find it again.

Are Alduin and Auriel shards of Akatosh or equal parts of the oversoul?

>>51682728
equalish parts of the Oversoul

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Racial fighting styles?

>>51682079
>implying anyone in /tgesg/ plays UESRPG
>implying anyone on /tg/ actually plays tabletop games

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>>51682190
>Arena
It's a decent dungeon-crawler, but it's fairly different from current TES lore-wise. Personally wouldn't recommend it over Daggerfall.
>Daggerfall
Probably the best gameplay in the series if you're into oldschool RPGs. A bit hard to start, and some skills are useless as hell, but once you minmax the fuck out of your character you're good.
>Morrowind
Amazing world, interesting characters; a game that had actual love and care put into it. Gameplay is dated but don't be a dunce and you'll figure it out.

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>>51684007
little too generalized a question tbqh

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>>51684223
It hurts man.

>>51684007
PANKRATOSWORD

>>51684302
I'm talking hand-to-hand, blade, axe, spear, anything. Even magical.

>>51684302
If that's what you mean.

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>>51684341
Well see, racial fighting techniques aren't endemic to a race. It's a cultural question you are asking, and even a little more complex is an nature/nuture argument that would proceed afterward. There are inbound abilities of races, but those aren't determining factors of their own fighting style. You can be black and not steal bikes, you could be a dwarf but not a blacksmith. You could be a Dunmer and not use fire magic or use an ebony katana, etc.

>>51682190
Morrowind is easier to get into than Oblivion.

>>51682208
If it had been west of leyawiin, i would say just running the oblivion quest. that was hilarious.

>>51684379
I see.

>>51684393
In hindsight that should've been obvious. Oblivions counter-intuitive leveling angered me more than anything, almost as much as the conversation pie that relies heavily on the ugly faces of the npc's. I do mean counter-intuitive in that if you didn't level in the best way possible you would be underpowered with each level up and putting points in luck was a trap. If only I knew then what I know now. Quests were neat though.

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>>51684372
The hero we needed.

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>>51684499
But didn't deserve.

>>51681933
>Skimming the book
This looks really good.

Is this based on Runequest? It looks similar to runequest.

How does it play mechanically?

>>51684475
the only way to level in oblivion was to use magic. Powerleveling an altmer with the atronach sign and tons of welkynd stones is the best way.
grind the mages guild and get access to the spellmaker.
Weakness to fire on self for 3 seconds, summon skeleton 3 seconds, heal self 1 point, etc because you get the exact same level progression as high level spells. once you get to level 45, you can safely install the dlc's (because doing so from the start locks certain types of loot at level one instead of progressing with the character).
then use the frostcraig spire glitch to get into the test area, bring plenty of skooma and do the sigil stone glitch to get 40-50 of each type of transcendent sigil stones plus the mace of doom.
you may now actually start the game.

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>>51684517
Gods speed.

>>51684562
or you could just cheese everything with weakness to magica 100% 2s and drain health 100pts 2 secs on a weapon

What's the best race for a knight?

>>51684586
Imperial.
Breton lore-wise.

>>51684586
Bretons have a longstanding culture of knightly orders.

>>51684602
>>51684606
Aren't they geared toward being wizards though

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>>51682208
It differs quite a lot.
Now, I don't know how big the settlement is, but I'm just going to list of a few suggestions.

The settlement is mostly small and medium sized farms, with one or two rather big ones that are more important. There's a small village centre where you get some more secondary services as well, and which serves as a focal point for the community. In total there's maybe two or three hundred people living in the settlement and all the associated farms.

All of these related family units will be in the same clan, and most of your inhabitants will probably belong to the same few clans. In a small settlement it might just be one or two. Each clan will have its own loose leadership, with the religious and cultural head being the Clan Mother, who's the keeper of religious secrets and traditions. Could be an authority figure to introduce your players to.
Remember how important belonging to a family and a clan is. There's a word in Ta'agra which means both "landless" and "scum", which should tell you something about how Khajiit that "don't belong to anywhere" are viewed.

>>51684562
Yeah, see? I thought I'd ease myself in like I do with most RPGs and just play a Nord warrior. So damn basic there was no way it could fail. Except it did, I was leveling too fast with all the main skills and not really getting +5 but more like +2-4 with 3 as the average and wondering why aren't these enemies dying like they were 5 lvls ago? And why do the bandits all have elven and orcish armor so early?

If only I'd known magic was the answer, because magic is always the answer.

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>>51684625
Most Khajiit farms are inhabited by a big family group, and nearby farms are often owned by members of the extended family. These families are way more communal than a Cyrod family would be, and things like ownership would be much less defined. The farm isn't your or mine, it's our. Likewise raising children is a communal responsibility, and adults are likely to be surrounded by and in charge of children of the same sub-breed.

A large part of the weirdness of Khajiiti life would be the fact that several of them are so incredibly different, so you'll want to think about how they address that. The believe that all their different forms have their own purposes and are of equal value. Therefore your adventurers might come to see the Khajiit as somewhat nonchalant about the whole deal. Sure, cousin Barri might not have hands and can't plant any crops, but he's a cat the size of a horse and can pull a plough much better than any bipedal Khajiit can. It's not a matter of compensation to them that their society has adapted to this, since it's the way it's meant to be, and always has been.
Treat it like it's just another mundane fact of life, because that's what it is to them.

>>51684615
Gameplay-wise, yeah.
If you want to roleplay, Bretons fit the role.

>>51684586
Lorewise Imga
You will never find a people more noble and embodying the knightly virtues as the proud and just imga

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>>51684647
Leyawiin is in kind of a border region, but I'm going to assume your Khajiit are culturally Pellitinian.
Bipedal Khajiit wear a budi to cover their torso fur, as anything else would be indecent. The budi is a shirt or tunic that's fastened with braids on the right side, and is otherwise often striped or similarly patterned. They may be embroidered. In addition many will drape themselves in large shawls or many varieties, which will also be brightly coloured and patterned. More Bosmer-like Khajiit will have tattoos, that you could perhaps use to show clan allegiance or social/religious standing. Finally they'll want to wear any jewellery and trinkets they can practically incorporate into their dress. Even if they're poor, they'd like to show off what little they've got.

Food is sweet and desserts are relatively elaborate for common life. Make the Khajiit offer your players food or treats, it's a good way to display wealth, something southern Khajiiti culture emphasises. They'll ideally want to come across as civilised, cultured and well-off, or as close to that as they can manage.
There's some Daggerfall-era lore that says Khajiit don't like to eat in groups, so you could use that. Maybe someone's in charge or making food for the day, and then everyone just kind of eats on their own when they choose to. If your players end up accepting food from some of them, you could make the players the only ones eating.

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What's your favourite race/class/playstyle across all Elder Scrolls games?

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>>51684663
If anyone's armed, they're most likely carrying something like a scimitar, a sabre, a dagger or a bow. Armour would be something like a light fluted helm worn over cloth, and somewhat loosely fitting leather armour clad in light, lacquered scales. Avoid heavy armour.

Khajiiti religion seems to put a lot of weight on being and doing, so you could emphasise that. They don't seem to worship a lot outside of the big annual festivities, but instead there's religious undertones to daily life. It's not important to pray to the gods as much as it's important to be as the gods. Clan Mothers should act like Azurah and Mafala, hunters should act like Hircine, and mothers should act like Mara. And most of all you should live according to the Riddle'Thar, he who is as much a god as he is a concept of order. Cleverness, trickery and secrecy are cultural values as much as bravery is to Nords, so don't expect to get information like this out of them easily. Keep your players guessing. They don't need to understand, they just need to find it interesting.

So when it comes to day to day life, I'd focus on how things are communal, family/clan belonging, how "there's a cat for everything", include some Pelletinian traits, exchange obvious religion with "practical" religion, and maybe do the thing about not eating alone.

>>51684562
Literally just get one of the various deleveling mods floating about on the Nexus. Boom, done. Which reminds me, I need to grab a deleveling mod for Skyrim as well. I like the experience of being totally outmatched in an area, then coming back later and wiping the floor with the enemies. Actual progression is nice, whereas the "perpetual moderate challenge" thing they have going is just annoying.

Unless you're on console, then you're boned.

>>51684699
They have mods on consoles now

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>>51684689
Characterise common folk as being somewhat impulsive, determined to keep up appearances, reluctant to explain or give out information, and generally more concerned with how things are rather than how they could or should be. How rather than why. That's for philosophers or Clan Mothers to come up with.

That last bit about character is based on the Ahzirr Traajijazeri, which I generally have a lot of issues with, but if you want them to feel different then I suppose it's fair game. The points about religion are also based on my personal interpretation of things, but I think it would be a good way to make them feel different to someone like a Nibenayan, who comes from a land of a thousand cults.

Well, that was a lot longer than anyone cared to read.

>>51682441
It's not for lack of want though. It's just that my group is already in a long-running GURPS campaign, and I'm not the DM.
And we generally run our DM's homebrew settings.

>>51684554
RQ was a big inspiration, but I can't comment on mechanics, I haven't gotten a chance to try the new edition.

>>51684688
Nord warrior tank.
Disgustingly casual, but it suits me.

>>51684741
Question, what's your real life ethnic heritage/ancestry?

I know it doesn't matter but humour me here

>>51684688
Telvanni Dunmer Wizard

>>51684833
Though in skyrim, since they got rid of mousewheel spell select, I tend towards a more warrior type playstyle, since pausing for menus is super boring.

>>51684799
Mick, Kraut, and Scot.

>>51684890
So American then.

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>>51684688
Dunmer Witchhunter. I do one as my first character in every game. tfw no mysticism. tfw class system is dead.
Bretronach Spellsword is a close second though.

>>51684925
Was that a joke, or is this going somewhere?

>>51684688
Argonian warrior/barbarian, Focus on heavy armors, alchemy, and hitting things with a hammer.

I like to think of them like a merc for heir who isn't afraid to make it known they murder people for money.

Gotta get that moon sugar somehow right?

>>51684688
Argonian spear-wielding, summoning stealth archer

>>51684799
31/32 mix of northern European and according to my grandmother, like 1/32 black foot indian. I also have an anglo saxon family name.

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>>51677737
Since there's so much more physics engine clutter and AI scripting than Morrowind I don't think non-instanced cities will ever return, but maybe automatic instance changes when you jump in from the outside could work, I seem to remember FO4 having something like that in one zone but I may be hallucinating

>>51685258
They said levitation will never be coming back. Ever. It's way too difficult to plan dungeons around.

>>51685258
or maybe bethesda could get good at occlusion culling and not have everything load at once, just what we're looking at

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>>51685286
Whoa, slow down there. You're talking about things that make sense. Bethesda doesn't do that.

>>51685280
But the dungeons are hardly planned at all anyway, they just look good, Who cares if people cheat past encounters.

Or just throw some more ranged enemies and make levitation extremely noisy.

>>51685280
Bethesda should just give up making good dungeons. Skyrim has shown they're shit anyways.

>>51685319
Wow, why would someone bother to make a map that detailed but keep game-sized cities with *visible buildings* on the ground? I should NOT be able to clearly see the Falkreath longhouse on a map that size.

>>51685321
>>51685320
This. I like cave diving, but when 99% of them are all 8 feet tall and 16 feet wide and look exactly the same they get boring.

>>51685280
Why not just make it a endgame reward?
Who cares if you can skip dungeons at level 60?

>>51685393
why not just make it really hard to make it last a long time? 60 second levitate vs. a 1000 second levitate are two different animals.

>float thru a dungeon vs. selectively choosing to float here and there

>>51685320
They actually have dedicated, paid dungeon designers on staff following the release of Oblivion. I'm not kidding.

>>51685321
>>51685393
I didn't make the rules guys, I am just relaying to you what they said regarding the matter. They seemed upset that players could levitate past enemies in dungeons in Morrowind and vowed never to reinstate it again

>>51684688
Imperial master race. I usually go for a sneaky mage build because fuck charging into a horde of enemies like some stupid Nord.

>>51685493
>They actually have dedicated, paid dungeon designers on staff following the release of Oblivion. I'm not kidding.
But, they're super linear in skyrim, very good looking with some interesting nooks and crannies but exceedingly linear and with puzzles that the lore even lampshades as "Only a braindead Draugr could fail to figure out."

>>51685517
dont forget the fuckin loop doors at the end of each dungeon

that pissed me off so much

>>51685503
>Stupid Nord
>Colovians exist

>>51685528
They exist specifically to keep the dumber Draugr from reaching their masters en-masse and flooding them with power to reawaken.

There's books about it. Death of a Wanderer for the "These fucking doors are for babies" and "Among the Draugr" for what the lesser Draugr do to charge their masters.

>>51685534
>implying I'd play as a 'we wuz kangz' Colovian when the superior Nibenese exist

>>51685572
thats dumb tho

makes sense, but from a design standpoint, its dumb.

Were there even puzzles in Oblivion or Morrowind?

So what, the Bretons are like English with some minor Celtic nods?

>>51685602
In Oblivion, yes. I can't think of any off hand for Morrowind other than I think there were a couple in Tribunal; nothing is really coming to mind though.

>>51685581
>lol stupid nord
>c-combat?
>b-balls?

>>51685619
Real-life Bretons are French and Celtic, so TES Bretons are probably French-based as well.

>>51685634
Okay, but Brittany doesn't exist in the Elder Scrolls so why would they be French based?

>>51685321
Case in point, I just did Bleak Falls Barrow. The first campaign dungeon you truly do outside the tutorial. This dungeon should be great right?

No. Lore wise, this dungeon was built to keep a draugr locked up, hence the claw mechanism. That entire thing falls apart when you realize there's a lighted path in the draugr's chamber which leads to an easily opened door. Nearly every single dungeon has these quick exits, which make no sense.

Bethesda really dropped the ball with skyrim's dungeons.

A very inept baker makes a plea to the daedra for the ability to bake the best sweetroll in Tamriel.

A daedra grants him this request, but instead of making sweetrolls, they instead turn into deadly SweetTrolls.

Which daedra helped him? Sheogorath, or Clavicus Vile?

>>51685657
thank fuck she doesn't

>>51685657
because he thinks because they used a french word to name the race they are french

>>51685657
Bretony (which is just another name for Brittany) does.

Think about it. All Bretons in the game have French-sounding names.

>>51685657
England doesn't exist in the Elder Scrolls so why would they be English based?

>>51685619
>>51685634
>>51685657
>>51685694
Since "Breton Cuisine" seemed fancy in Skyrim there's SOME french to them.

>>51685602
First time I played morrowind I completely forgot about the crank in the first dwemer ruins and couldn't figure out how to get into dagoth ur's place.
There's also the dwemer ruin where you gotta open the right door and the guy mentions passwall
There's also more subtle "puzzles" like with fargoth and therana, thieves guild where you gotta get the dwemer artifacts, and determining where the fuck to go with those directions they just gave you
So yeah there's puzzles, but no they usually don't prevent continuation of a quest outside of a few instances.

>>51685677
Do the new rolls contain cheese? If yes, it's Sheogorath, otherwise it's obviously Clavicus.

>>51685677
Do you think those two have shitposting contests?

>>51685677
>makes a plea
so he doesn't perform any specific ritual on a specific day? nothing saying it can't be both of them

>>51685692
They definitely are not all "French sounding" my friend.

>>51685694
Because their aesthetic is reminiscent of Merlin from the Once and Future King who himself was supposed to conjure up images reminiscent of more magical, witchcraft pre-Germanic Britain aka Celtic.

>>51685602
The first dwemmer dungeon main quest is one of the most infuriating puzzles I've ever done.

>>51685752
>Oblivion Male Breton Names

Achille, Aelwin, Alberic, Aleron, Alix, Ambroise, Amiable, Ancus, Andre, Antoine, Astav, Baragon, Barthel, Baurion, Beran, Bradon, Brucetus, Christophe, Claude, Colin, Corrick, Damian, Davide, Didier, Edgar, Ernest, Eugal, Ferrum, Floyd, Francois, Gan, Gaspar, Gepard, Gerard, Grantham, Gregory, Hannibal, Hastrel, Istirus, Jakben, Jauffre, Jean-Pierre, Jhared, Jim, Kastus, Lazare, Lewin, Marc, Marcel, Mathieu, Matthias, Norbert, Ogier, Philip, Renald, Reynald, Roderic, Roland, Rowley, Salomon, Samuel, Sam, Traelius, Theranis, Thorley, Timothee, Ulrich, Vicente, Vincent

Help! I'm preparing to run a UESRPG game and I have a serious lack of character art to use for NPCS! Help a guy out and I'll reupload the completed tokens!

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>>51685723
I also didn't notice the mound path leading to the second level of the ruins and scoured every fucking inch of that place until I almost left and saw the upper platform and felt like a total fool

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>>51685685
This is perhaps the most aggravating aspect. I very highly doubt that the makers of Arena and Daggerfall were trying to definitively link their fictional race to an minor French ethnic group. Even the Nords are a slight mixture of Scandinavian with minor elements of the Anglo-Saxons according to the developers. The composer of the main theme for Skyrim claimed to have been inspired by a chanting performance of the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf and from there the rest of the game took shape which makes sense the game is basically Beowulf right down to the mead halls and dragons

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>>51685811
just because something is inspired or appropiates from a thing doesnt make it that thing

with that logic vvardenfell is actually feudal japan set in dung-ages Dune with krishna running around

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>>51685782
Was this supposed to prove something? Most of those don't resemble traditional French surnames at all. In fact many sound English, Welsh and weirdly Hollywood Latin and Hollywood Celtic. Some are blatantly French but most don't which is what you claimed f a m

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>>51685833

>>51685782
>lets compare TES to the real world because its the real world: the post

>>51685840
I'm going to be so sad when alchemy is taken out in tes6

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>>51685866
>>51685785
There will be a Sload in this game, right?

>>51685832
welcome to the saltrice fields, n'wah

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>>51685901

>>51685877
Unlikely IMO.

>>51685916
Who even knows anymore

>>51685925
Always mods.

>>51682079
I'll be the cool one and actually talk about this.
I straight up use the MW stats/magic system with a generic xp system to determine leveling up.
My group is a Dunmer spellsword, an Orc Barbarian, Khajiit thief and a Breton Mage.
We currently run contracts for the guilds, and are sitting around level 20 and are about to start going after some minotaur bounties in cyrodil.
Notable exploits include discovering a dwemer ruin near chedynhall, Stopping a necromancer in necrom and getting ordained as honorary ordinators and running the knights of the nine questline. Any takers on stories?

>>51685925
considering that todd likes to steal gimmicks from games going around you're likely to see a lot more enviromental interaction ala botw and an alchemy mechanic like tw3

>>51685964
Too bad we're probably not going to get better, more satisfying, combat.

>>51685950
You a real one, mang.
I'd love to hear about these things.

>>51685950
>any takers on stories?

Yes, how did you start off the campaign?

>>51685950
Do tell.

>>51685602
the fucking temple quest in MW where you have to drown yourself. Do you realize how long it takes to drown in MW when you have a level 255 character? yeah i could make a fucking spell to damage myself, but that costs money.

>>51685949
This is blasphemy but I actually hate mods. I don't even play on consoles either. I rarely install mods unless they're for critical bug fixes or to make sure older games can run on newer operating systems. I have this weird autistic itch that if I install mods then I'm not playing the game as the developers intended - their true artistic vision

Ridicule me all you please but I will never install mods in an Elder Scrolls game

>>51685726
>tfw when umbra's soul was driving people insane
>mfw it was actually sheogorath trolling clavicus vile.

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>>51686031
>yeah i could make a fucking spell to damage myself, but that costs money.
>but that costs money
>when you have a level 255 character?

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>>51684688
Imperial "Paladin." Heavy armor and sword alongside magic - Restoration only in Morrowind, Restoration and Destruction in Oblivion and Skyrim. I like to imagine the characters as all part of the same family line, first rising from obscurity with the Nerevarine, while the Divine Crusader cements the family's status as a noble line, and the Dragonborn, 200 years later, is in Skyrim following a gut feeling that there is where he'll live up to the glories of his ancestors.

It's pretty silly, I guess, but the story it forms warms my heart nonetheless.

Alright, so my roommate wants to get into TES lore. Whats the most bizarre story I can tell him in the most contrived and vague way?

>>51686040
lmao i think i remember you dude

>>51686040
Hey man, same Anon here, not big on mods either. Maybe a graphics mod, a skin mod, but I don't go overboard. I feel like people bitch too much about the vanilla games sometimes. But that's just me.

>>51685950
I'd like to know how you finagle the rules. Do you have a PDF?

Also, tell me about this necromancer.

>>51686040
Isn't it the creator's vision that the game have mods? They give you such awesome mod tools The Creation Kit is the most frustrating program I've ever used, but it's a lot better than the nothing that most games get.

And let's be honest: Developer Intent is that you never levitate again. Why would you honor something so terrible?

>>51686118
an evangelion blows up time and a naked black elf makes him say 'yes' and the evangelion dies and then the elf marries a hermaphrodite

>>51686083
I use the family line concept for my characters as well.

>>51684688
Imperial Crusader. Bringing order back to the Empire, one crushed skull at a time.

Can't decide between a pure Breton mage or a pure warrior Nord for Oblivion

Why are bonemold and Chitin so fucking cool? Is it just the idea of using hard animal parts that makes it appealing?

>>51686040
I usually focus on bugfixes, stuff to let certain items stay relevant in the late game (Looking at you unsmithable piece of shit Ebony blade) and in skyrim fixing the rain and snow passing through structures.

I *MAY* one day get stuff to make the cities bigger and denser but that all seems like so much trouble and apparently NMM tends to break everything occasionally when you have a lot of mods.

>>51686136
Walk-Brass?

>>51686136
I hate kirkbride so much sometimes. NOT CANON AND NEVER WILL BE.

>>51686158
REMOVE ALTMER
GLORY TO THE EMPEROR

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>>51686166
>Walk-Brass?

get in the numidium goku

>>51685964
What's TW3 do alchemy wise?

>>51686118
Humpty Dumpty sat on his Time-Wall. Humpty Dumpty was shattered by a big stompy robot in every facet of reality that could exist.
Eventually, Humpty Dumpty's dragon-wives managed to sorta put him back together, but he was never really the same after that robot.

And that's a dragon break!

>>51686166
Don't use NMM. Use MO. It's objectively better in nearly every way. The only problem is that it's slightly more indepth, so the learning curve is maybe an hour of use, instead of NMM's non existent curve.

>>51686170
Agreeable bait.

>>51686118
an ex-con reads some weird shit and talks to some weird people and does some weird shit and saves the world but he is never able to find a cube

>>51686194
How do I transfer things over? I'm really lazy and stupid and will probably only bother when I install more than three mods.

Also isn't NMM's next update just turning it into a clone of Mod Organizer?

>>51686118
a baby flying whale that spouts cocaine and a bird fight the king of rape because of a patch of dirt thats floating around a mountain range

>>51684688
A small Argonian girl with heavy armor and a zweihander

>>51686040
Lately with the whole semi-recent "coda makes it canon" resurgence in "my apocrypha" I've started to hate a lot of mods too.
Like I can deal with people making mary sue mostly naked barbie dolls that are about as deep as my dick in a chick because I can just ignore it
But trying to talk lore and they're like "oh in """"""my""""" apocrypha dwemer made beam swords and guns!" and their source is a mod instead of trying to interpret some game shit or even coda itself? I just leave for the day entirely.

>>51685950
>>51685977
>>51685989
>>51686012
I'll start with saying that our group started off as most ES games start off. The Breton, Andre, and the Khajiit, Khajara were prisoners on a prison ship while Dethir, the dunmer and Burz, the orc were booking passage because it was the last ship out of Port Telvanis.
The ship was heading north across the sea to solstheim near Ald Daedroth in the Sheogorad region when it struck rocks as many ships do around that region. Dreugh quckly flooded the shipwreck, attempting to murder the survivors.
Andre managed to get free of his shackels with Khajara's help and fought to the upper deck with the help of a couple summoned skeletons.
As the group met up on the deck, Dethir cast a couple scrolls of water walk on the group to get them off. They ran the whole way to Ald Daedroth with dreugh snipping at their heels.
>Then they had to deal with the battle between the Ordinators and the followers of Sheogorath at Ald Daedroth.

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>>51686118
a mysterious sign says a thing and leads to a place but not really

>>51686237
better bait but still bait

>>51686228
Back when I made the switch several years ago, you would have to uninstall everything in NMM, then point MO to the mods for reinstallation. And hope NMM didn't mess up that one thing.

The ideal way to do it would be to delete your entire skyrim directory, reinstall, and then install everything properly in MO.

As for the update, Nexus hired the guy who made MO to make their next one, but nobody knows if the incompetence of the Nexus staff will infect him, or if MO guy's competence will succeed.

>>51686076
>im ocd. I got to 1 million gold and never went up or down after that.

>>51686269
Just because you call it bait doesn't make it so.
If that's all you're here to do is call things bait, you're somehow more pathetic thane me.
Congratulations I guess?

>>51686273
Where does NMM save everything so I can point MO at it?

>>51686237
The problem with what kirkbride was trying to do is that lore discussions are about the game lore, not fanfiction. Anybody who cares to ask doesn't want to read somebody's fanfiction, and the people who care about fanfiction in the first place didn't need Kirkbride's permission to write it.

Well, that's one problem with it. The other problem is kirkbride's unedited writing style. He really, really, really, needs someone to tell him "no, that's retarded" every now and then. Maybe then we could have avoided the Sentai Vivec Rangers battling Commercials and Gangsta Rap. inb4theemperor'sclotheslookfantastic

I get what he was going for. That was still retarded.

Honestly, as long as Bethesda never pulls a Blizzard and makes ES a lolrandom sci-fi fantasy with guns, cars, or any other dumb, unfitting technology, I'm pretty much good. Medieval stagnation is fine with me.

>>51686330
My friend, have you read kirkbride's post morrowind work?

>>51686312
>this argument again

Nobody cares, we like the lore for the lore and its ideas, not some concept of 'canon'

>>51686338
C0DA is NO exception.

>>51686338
Yeah its pretty neat

>>51686330
Wait, but isn't a good portion of TES LORE already crazy alien sci- fi shenanigans?

>>51686348
If you've had "this argument" again friend, I doubt I'm alone in my opinion.

>>51686330
>everyone forgets the ship cannons and printing presses

>>51686373
Yes, but it's vastly different.

>>51686373
no its kirkbride who ruined my DnD fanfiction

>>51686330
Fallout 4 has nirnroot.

>>51686373
That's a question of some debate, and depends on how much Kirkbride you allow.

What's pretty inarguable is that the Dwemmer were pretty technologically advanced, compared to "medieval stagnation"

>>51686401
>Easter Egg = Lore

Why do so many people sperg over Kirkbride?

>>51686408
>magic-powered portable teakettles
>technological advancement

>>51686430
He can be a genius.
He can also be a faggot.

>>51686441
Thank you.

>>51686430
A mixture of hating those that worship everything that falls out of his mouth and hating him for creating weird shit to be weird.

I sorta like the guy and what he's done outside of official games, but to take everything he says as gospel is foolish.

>>51686430
Because he writes things that you either love or hate. The people who love it feel the need to defend it, the people who hate it feel the need to attack it. Whether or not his lore is official is also a pretty unsettled debate, given his employment history with Bethesda.

Personally, I think he writes some good stuff, and some bad stuff, but he's also an egotistical prick.

>>51686441
>massive industrialization

>>51686130
well, instead of the potential 15 points you can get in the MW level system for attributes, i give 10 standardly, with 20 points you can freely distribute to skills instead of the potential 30 you would need to get the best attribute points. past that its a lot of stuff i have in notes, but any generic xp distribution will work for determining leveling.
The necromancer was a disgraced telvanni wizard that had gotten into some massive trouble with the temple due to summoning a lich on temple grounds because of a disagreement with one of the priests.
Instead of backing him up, the telvanni exiled him. using his magics, he snuck into the vaults of necrom and started using rituals to awaken the honored dead. The ordinators were at war when we arrived and we managed to find a rear entrance and, after fighting through a few dozen undead and a lich or two, we managed to slay the bastard.
Little did the ordinators know, he had the necromancer's amulet on him, but we managed to slip it past them and thanks to our services, were granted appropriatly geared ordinator armors and weapons.
>We managed to get to mournhold and sell the amulet for a pretty price at the museum of artifacts, which may be the location of a future raid.

>>51686418
It can be, depending on how they handle it.
Is the head in Kvatch Jiub or just a random head? Was it Jiub before Dawnguard?
Is Hackdirt and actual event of potentially sload shenanigans or was it just lovecraft references and shitty character creation selfdepreciating humor?
Do people actually use a potion of trueshot to piss?
Does wormgod have any meaning?
Are the named ashes and Pop Je actually known to the inhabitants?

>>51686464
I just want coda to be confirmed canon at this point just to piss everyone off. I haven't even read it but nothing makes me close the thread quicker than lore vs canon arguments.
It's a lore thread not a canon thread.

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>>51686493
here is a synopsis

im sorry if you are asian tho

>>51686483
Good point, but I find it, in this case, to be unlikely.

>>51682190
People talk about the witcher 3 being super immersive but really morrowind tops it by a pretty huge margin. It's designed like an actual world instead of a video game with some flavor. If you seriously prefer modern quest trackers, minimaps and compasses directing you straight to the next waypoint so you can hit A on a shiny object then fuck you, you are the cancer in games today. Morrowind is chock full of people giving you bad directions, cryptic riddles and ACTUAL FUCKING SECRETS that developers are so goddamn afraid of today (oh no! I can't handle the thought that someone might not see this one thing I put days of effort into! better put it only slightly off the main path with some fucking neon signs pointing at it!) and it's beautiful for it. Not to mention 90% of the ACTUAL FUCKING INTERESTING parts of TES lore originate from it, and have either been massively dumbed down or retconned out in subsequent sequels.

That said, it's hardly perfect. The wikipedia style dialog is nice... before you get treated to seeing the exact same paragraph from everyone in the whole world. More unique responses, or at least random ass townies not giving me the cyrodilic college encyclopedia entry on mudcrabs whenever you ask would be nice.

The combat is fucking awful. I mean, you can definitely have fun with it in a "here's a system, I'm gonna figure out cool ways to game it!" kind of way, but if you want the moment-to-moment combat to be fun, well.... it's a bethesda game, not dark souls.

Overall, absolutely worth a play, but don't be afraid to use the console to give yourself ten levels in one handed sword skill right at the start because standing around swinging at a mudcrab and missing for 20 minutes is not fun.

>>51686373
No in fact very little, and just about all of it is out-of-game.
People bloat it up like its some big thing but it's practically inconsequential to the actual series.

>>51686537
Exactly.

>>51686493
I wouldn't mind it with heavy editing to remove the retarded stuff, and take out the House of We meta stuff. There are some cool ideas presented in it.

Just finished the second Elder Scrolls novel and holy shit. All you who read it know what I mean.

Why hasn't Bethesda had more released?

>>51686620
Don't a lot of people think it's shit?

>>51686601
Again I haven't read it, but there's that image with Nirn being literally gears and that's pretty cool.

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Guys

Can you help me with a Nord warrior build in Oblivion? What are some tips you can give me? What sign should I pick up? Was thinking of taking the Steed or the Warrior

Also how do I not fuck up the levelling?

>>51686518
Not him, but I'm a bit rushed a lot of the time so markerless wandering may not suit me very well.

I really so need to try again, maybe add in the code patch thing so I can toggle sneak a little and re-learn the more complicated stat system.

>>51686641
They also think it's noncanon and therefore refuse to even look at it.

>>51686662
>it's noncanon and therefore refuse to even look at it

but dont forget they need to tell us its not canon any time its vaguely mentioned!

>>51686662
Only read a few words of it, but it doesn't seem that bad.

>>51686662
how does that even happen, the events are pretty unambigously referenced in Skyrim

>>51686704
the same reason anything like this happens: autism

>>51686704
Because not the entire thing is referenced therefore only the specific referenced parts are canon not the entire thing.

>>51682014
I always liked Palla

>>51686653
>Also how do I not fuck up the levelling?
Don't level.

>>51686653
Don;'t associate useless skills with leveling up, and I guess console command yourself higher level versions of quest items you got the shitty low level versions of.

>>51682079
I recall a story where someone used that retarded Drad Ogre idea and a pc challenged the chieftain to a fight and gotten beaten to death.

>>51686653
>Also how do I not fuck up the levelling?

You mod better leveling in. If you don't do that, then you never sleep in a bed. If you don't do that, then you have to plan very carefully. You level up when you achieve 10 major skill level ups. Your stats increase based on what skills you leveled up during this time, major, or nonmajor You need to achieve 2 5x skills and 1 luck each levelup, and then 3 5x skills when you finish leveling luck.. To do this, you need to get 10 skill levelups in each attribute you want to increase by 5x at level up. This means you need to level up non major skills while leveling.

You want to increase Endurance first of all, because IIRC hp gained from it isn't retroactive. To maximize things, pick a race that gives a bonus to endurance, and select it as your favored attribute (in addition to luck).

For instance, I choose orc, favored endurance and luck. For my skills, I choose a skill for each stat, so heavy armor for endurance. I don't remember the rest. When I start, I want to increase 2 stats 5x, and increase luck 1x (since there are no governing skills for luck). I'll start by leveling a skill unrelated to endurance, maybe Destruction. When I've achieved 10x levels in it, I'll switch to leveling heavy armor for 10x levelups. Afterwards, I'll sleep, and boost my stats. Repeat until Endurance is 100, then switch to a new stat.

>>51686704
No idea. It's pretty clearly canon. >>51686720 is making things up.

>>51686771
Wait, was it really that counter-intuitive and designed to fuck the player? Jesus, that seems like it definitely needs modding.

>>51686764
lol

>>51686797
No. Bethesda thought everything would be fine; it wasn't.

>>51686797
IMO the leveling system is fine. It leaves a lot of room for optimization, and worked well in morrowind. It's easy to end up with a suboptimal build, but you didn't need an optimal build in morrowind.

The problem was that Oblivion also made it so every enemy leveled with you, at a rate that you couldn't hope to keep up with unless you optimized.

>>51686825
So, the level ups were how you increased core stats, and the core stats went up based on which Major Skills increased most recently?

>>51686825
Also you could end up in a world with no bears, so fuck you if you get kicked out of the Fighter's guild and don't realize some vendors sell fur like my friend did.

>>51686840
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Efficient_Leveling

>>51684652
will we ever see Imga or true Akivirian races? >>51682014
Mysterious Akivir. I still want to know if/how Ka Po'tun are related to khajiit and how thier leader mantled a dragon.

>>51682014
You need all the weird, abstract books to set the mood, but in that mood of weirdness I loved reading the cozy ones with very human characters like Hypothetical Treachery, Hallgerd's Tale and Vernaccus and Bourlor.

>>51684475
Morrowind has the same system anon... not sure if you're aware of that. There are mods to fix it though and I'm beginning to consider them essential.

>>51686891
>>51686825
The difference between morrowind and oblivion that is key, is that as you level in morrowind, you get more powerful relative to the larger world. Very few enemies are actually leveled. As you level in Oblivion, you get weaker relative to the larger world.

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>town guards in Skyrim surprised at Hammerfell having curved swords
>despite the fact that every region/games has curved swords
>nordic sword is literally curved
Are nords just idiots?

>>51685657
All non-reachman Bretons have french names. Bretons have a very active court intrigue sphere like real france did.They have fancy food like the real french. High rocks culture is most relatable to france rather than england.

>>51686922
That's not the same thing.
Swords like that have a slope, but they're hardly considered curved. The main shape of that sword is still a line.

>>51686942
TES isn't the real world

>>51686798
>>51686764

That was me. Game's still going. The "Paladin" player rage quit after trying to swing Volendrung at the one who hired thwm to get it. Initially it was kinda gonna go down like Yamarz with Malacath cursing them even more. However for displaying strength in an honorable duel to wield the hammer, Malacath did actually directly speak to the chief and give him a little boon and that was enough to heavily reward the remaining party.

We're still going strong. We now have an Argonian Shadowscale, an Orc tank and a Falmer Blender.

>>51682014
Ruins of Kemel-Ze doesn't get enough love.

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So, what happened to Nerevar's feet?

>>51686984
They were tickled. :3

>>51686984
vehk has a thing for feet

>>51682014
The Rear Guard.

That story with the bosmer and his comrade trapped in the castle with the apples outside. I find it pretty satisfying.

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>>51686951
>The main shape of that sword is still a line.
What does that even mean?

They're curved swords designed for slashing. I don't know why you wouldn't consider it a curved sword.

Is pic related not a curved sword? Are the sabers and katanas that have been in every game not curved swords?

>>51686971
Feel free to share, broskie.

>>51686984
They're probably sitting in a jar, preserved, just set on a shelf, forgotten in Necrom.

>>51682044
I liked the Sultry Argonian Bard too.

>>51682014
My favorite one is the story of the prince who was told that he'd never die by blade or arrow or disease and thought he was invincible.

>>51687032
>Is pic related not a curved sword?
No.

>>51686951
You're a retard

>>51685672
I think they were to keep the vast masses of Draugr outside from reaching their master and restoring his power. ("Among the Draugr" mentions how the lesser ones slowly recharge in their Niches and gather around the greater ones to donate them more power) Or maybe Draugr are straight up too dumb to pull a chain when they don't see the door itself? So the Incredibly obvious "secret" stone doors are actually enough to fool them?

>>51686922
Those don't actually get used by Nords in the base game, and the curve isn't as extreme as the pirate/Redguard cutlasses.

>>51684688
Punchcat forever

>>51687035
Nowadays their BBEG is a creature called the Mechanist I ripped straight from /tg/. They're more or less racing around Morrowind and Skyrim in an attempt to snatch up Dwemeri artifacts before said Mechanist comes along and weaponizes them further, gradually becoming a walking cataclysm piece by piece.

They're in the last legs of the campaign, oddly enough after all this time returning to Drad and warning them that this beast is coming for the Malacath's hammer. It'll be a fortress siege situation wherein they'll be holding off hordes of automatons alongside orcs, the Fighter's guild they buddied up with, ogres and if they play their cards right, they could get some imperial support while in Kvatch.

>>51686971
>Falmer Blender

Fucking. What?

>>51686922
That's an axe though

>>51687134
Good shit.

>>51684688
Breton mage with a sword and armor atronach. Bound sword, some healing spells, and just fuck everyone's day up by being impossible to kill.

>>51684799
Americlap. Fathers side is English and Scottish, mother's is Scandinavian.

Probably some other bit from Europe in there that I really don't care about. I never really viewed genetic makeup as that important except for diseases and such.

>>51686891
No sir I was not aware of that. My first foray into the Elder Scrolls series started with Oblivion with several rocky starts to it before eventually finishing the main campaign at level 20 as a custom class filled with skills I wouldn't really use. Then proceeded to mod the shit out of it.

>>51682014
Trap: By Anonymous makes me giggle when I see the title, because like the rest of you I'm a fucking 4chan asshole so those two words have special meanings.

But it's actually a rather good little story about a starving beggar getting in way over his head.

>>51687100
The Hope of Redoran. That's one of my favorites not just because it explain Nordic naming conventions, but it takes a pretty cool aspect of the Hercules myth and uses it in a new way.

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Nord drinking songs other than Ragnar the Red?

>>51687322
We drink to our youth, to days come and gone

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>>51687322
the sound of stormcloak victory

>>51687275
This guy is correct though:
>>51686908

In oblivion it's really easy to create an unoptimised character that will get exponentially weaker as you and the world goes up levels.

In Morrowind you have freedom to make what you want because if you're character build is weak you can just level up.

So it's the same system, but different consequences.

>>51687322
There may have been some original song that the shitty Stormcloak/Imperial propaganda song was based on back in the day as well.

>>51687344
Yes, that one.

>>51684688
Breton magic scout.

Basically:
Light armour
One handed
Shield
Restoration
Conjuration
Stealth
Archery

Summon a bound bow for ranged combat.
Put on a restoration aura for melee and keep bashing the fuckers while axing them full of bleeding damage.

>>51687359
Maybe it was merrier and less tear-soaked Grimbright.

Probably an exceptionally stupid question, but what happens when Anu wakes up from the dream? Does it all cease to exist?

Bretons = Sto Lat = Sort of like Western Europe

Nords =The Rim= Kinda like Northern Europe.

Redguards = Klatch = Not Africa or the Middle East at all, honest!

There's some cool subversions and other cultural influences though, so quit trying to say that one thing is entirely this or that.

>>51687411
We don't know. My theory is that's what the end of a Kapla is, and it restarts when a dream has the next dream.

>>51682409
>Eltonbrand.
>111-71.
>Tarhiel.

Hah! I get it!

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>>51687463
this, personally. i feel like the godhead wakes up and goes back to sleep, and everything up until convention repeats itself with the subjective bs of the person who achieved amaranth, if there was a person who did, influencing the dream a bit.

>yfw TES is just some guy with multiple personality disorder who has been put in an artificial coma for reasons and keeps waking up when the meds wear off

>>51687424
You mean The Hub.

>>51687491
I don't think they wake up at all, toss about a bit maybe. After all, dreams can transition between themes without you even realizing it.

>wake up
>remember your brother murdered your gf
>change position and go back to sleep
The supreme being of the TES universe is a depressed hikki NEET

>>51686641
And the Same people will defends oblivion.
Red year and umbriel Arena mentioned in Skyrim, 90% of all argonian lore comes from said book. what some Wannabe lore beards think is fucking irrelevant. The TES lore community is dismissing of anything New by the time the next game comes out theyll all love it

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>>51687521
>TES is Yume Nikki
>Each game is a door

THIS LORE IS TOO DEEP

http://puu dot sh/tZx2t/f709cc1586.rar

here's a bunch of hexagonal tokens that i just made.

thanks to the few pictures I got out of here.

>>51687032
>pic related

Orkz ar da bezt blakzmithz! We da new Dwarvz!

No seriously they just stopped trying with the weapons.

>>51686942
>very active court intrigue

This describes literally every medieval feudal society.

>they have French names

How many fucking times do I have to put this down? Okay fine Bretons are 1:1 French because they share the same name as an ethnic group in RL France. Jesus Christ it's like talking to people on a normie video game forum

>>51687712
See what happens when the nexus of your culture keeps getting burnt to the ground and your blacksmith techniques have to passed around by mouth while living in an isolated settlement who doesn't let in outsiders.

>>51684688
Breton...spellsword? Battlemage? Perhaps a sorcerer? I would use heavy armor and use spells in a supporting role, like conjuration or mysticism, with only a little destruction focus.

I've experimented with how much armor, how much magic, and of course weapons and races, but I don't think I'll ever really play another race like I would a Breton - even without direct buffs to some skills I use, their racials are too great - and I've never been attracted to bow usage, probably because it really relies on stealth and patience.

>>51687796
>Okay fine Bretons are 1:1 French

finally i win this round brb mom just got done with making my tendies

>>51685680
Underrated post.

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>>51687929

>>51687929
>upvoting your own le post

Reddit leave NOW

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Zizek actually quoted Morrowind's intro lmao
unfortunately he attributed the quote to Gothic

still pretty funny

>>51682014
Anything by Ted Peterson.

>>51687322
Nord drinking songs are terrible.

>>51684007
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Third_Door
mentions a few axe styles

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Dwemer War Axes are sexy as fuck.

>>51688082
Congrats on the ESO shoutout

>>51688099
The halberd was great too. Morrowind had a lot of appealing weapons to be honest. Armor... kind of.

>>51688105
Thanks.

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>>51688082
You prefer the bell songs of the deep dwemer depths, I presume?

>>51685619
Some autist is going to give you shit for comparing TES to real world cultures but basically yeah.

Anywhere that has Celtic influence irl you could plausibly fit into Breton culture. Breton reputation for cuisine is based on the French being also known for quality cuisine. Several names across the series have Cornish and Welsh elements to them. Forsworn affinity for face paint, barbaric aesthetic, and names are all Pictish. You can draw a lot of parallels between knights in High Rock and Arthurian legend.

There's a couple more examples but they're more of a stretch and I don't want to get lore bullied.

>>51688139
Nah, just not nord songs. They're

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>>51685602
barely

skyrim truly reigns supreme

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>>51688099
Yeah, both the flatter morrowind one and the round-faced Skyrim ones look really good.

I think I like the skyrim one handed mace better, and the BLADE on the Skyrim 1H sword is better looking, but the grips are fucking tiny.


Of course the best looking weapon is the Grummite Cleaver, looks almost as good as the Fable 1 cleaver.

>>51688146
>Some autist is going to give you shit for comparing TES to real world cultures

yes because besides from face value qualities TES cultures have no identity with their comparative/appropriated cultures ideologically; to say the bretons are french and celtic is a farce because we have known knowns and known unknowns. we know they are based on these cultural concepts but we have no indepth idea of how they think and act in a detail that is comparable to the dunmer of morrowind, so its better to just shut the fuck up and be vague about it rather than condemn certainty on a culture we know very little of.

>>51688113
I think armor was pretty okay, especially compared to other games where it flipped and flopped in quality. As a whole, Morrowind's armor is good on every level, though Dwemer looks rather heavyset, like a robot rather than armor.

Something about Skyrim's armor designs as a whole just bothers me so much I don't even want to wear half of them. Oblivion can be okay with some sets - Steel was sexy in an overly-realistic way, Imperial plate looked great, dwarven armor was wonderful in terms of colors - but Ebony had a horrible helmet, glass looked ridiculous, and fur looked like something made by a crazy man skinning squirrels.

>>51688031
silly boi, twas my post.

>>51688245
>though Dwemer looks rather heavyset, like a robot rather than armor.
Pretty sure that's what it's supposed to be.

Oblivion armour sets had the worst helmets. I remember reading that open helmets were a design choice for a specific reason but I can't remember exactly why anymore.

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>>51688192
>slap a library in a dungeon
>its better

how about making the landscape of the dungeon feel fucking claustrophobic and actually ancient? shit like collapsed floors, erosion from water, root systems, collapsed rubble piles. i know the draugr clean shit but do you really think some draugr are going to put on some helmets and start jack-hammering a section of dungeon floor to repave the thing?

stop making them linear; add branching paths or in this case possibly to a huge catacomb of dormant replacement draugr for the ones that get killed. an element like that would be spooky af imo. add dead ends, or even ends that bypass the end goal of the dungeon to begin with. make them sink deeper and deeper; the one thing I liked about the dragonborn DLC is how fucking deep in the earth miraak's temple felt.

slapping a library is ok but the world should tell its tale on its own, not with books and prompts. dont treat the audience like its retarded.

So, Dwemer ghosts, they're from the ones that died just BEFORE the actual activation of the heart? Hence only being around Red Mountain (Relatively speaking).

>>51688192
I don't even understand why there needs to be a shortcut to the entrance and all the dungeon layouts need to be structured around that

I wouldn't have minded it at all if it was literally just when you get to the end you backtrack back to the entrance

>>51688295
guess it had something to do with muh draugr lore

see

>>51685572
>>51685587

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>>51688199
i like the original designs of the skyrim dwemer swords which had a cleaved end rather than a point; made it feel like the nature of the metal was to do the work and not the strength of the wielder.

>>51688284
If Arniel is any indications, they're the lucky ones that didn't bond perfectly to the Numidermis and are thus echoes.

>>51688267
I mean, not *too* many of the Oblivion helmets were open, Daedric and Dwarven weren't.

>>51688313
Nah, I was trying to point out how the shortcut didn't necessarily contradict the Draugr lore, (Even if adding a second claw door for the "'secret'" exist would have been nice) and I think it was a pity concession to serial looters who want to get out on just one carry weight potion.

>>51688367
That's only useful for executions, makes swords far less useful in open combat to take away the stabbing power while still keeping it straight, at that point just make a cleaver, a scimitar, or an axe.

>>51688369
Odd how they were only in Morrowind, I think it's partly the on es struck down in the war preceding the activation.

>>51688396
>That's only useful for executions, makes swords far less useful in open combat to take away the stabbing power while still keeping it straight, at that point just make a cleaver, a scimitar, or an axe.

>they can make a robot that can make reality shit itself but they cant make a sword that denies the existence of whatever its hitting
>they can make a metal that denies age and machines that run forever but they cant give a sword that denies whatever it hits an aesthetic cleaved edge
>inb4 muh swordsinging

>>51688277
>collapsed floors, erosion from water, root systems, collapsed rubble piles
Don't they actually have most of these things? I remember flooded section in some of them too.
Or are saying it's not enough.

Next Elder Scrolls location where

I say Hammerfell or Valenwood

>>51688418
The Dwemer weren't really big on martial combat, that's why there's a billion abandoned automata in every one of their ruins

>>51688426
I'm saying where it is in Skyrim, its not enough. The dungeons turn into copypasta fests with some of them having a book or a quest attached to them to explain why they are special. You don't really remember them, and I don't mean /just/ remembering them in a good way. I'd rather have a dungeon that pissed me off navigating it than a dungeon that was the same thing over and over.

I want ruins, not the same dungeon with the rubble strewn about differently. Collapse floors, fuck the place up. Make me climb down a cliff in the dark to access a sunken dungeon, or fall through a crack in the earth. Make them have more atmosphere.

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>>51688462
>they cant use that sword its for cleaving!
>"make a sword that makes anything butter"
>but they werent big on martial combat

????

>>51688427
I'd like a desert setting so either Hammerfell or Elsweyr

>>51688427
I doubt the engine could handle moving trees. I mean I guess they had some large moving bits in Apocrypha, and you could sorta ride the Constitution in FO4.

>>51688418
Just saying a straight sword with the horsecock flare doesn't really look or feel like a weapon of war, especially if it's NOT a massive broad bladed greatsword aside from the flare like the Fable 1 Greatsword and Twilight Princess Redead sword.

>>51688518
>he hasn't seen the 2012 gamejam vid

i commend you on this bait but i think the dwemer should've wielded keyblades

>>51688481
your autistic memespewing doesn't change the fact that the Dwemer fielded armies of automata against the Dunmer while their best and brightest were cooped up in labs trying to figure out how to get their entire species to ascend to divinity

>>51688544
>they just used robots
>they've always had robots
>wow look at all these weapons laying around in their ruins guess they were just for decoration

>>51688518
PGE3 mentions Falinesti rooting itself shortly before the Oblivion Crisis so maybe it's some kind of defense mechanism that happens when shit's about to go down

>>51688529
Did they make even crazier moving things for Gamejam itself?

>>51688577
But that would be completely fucking boring.

>>51688517
Ooooh forgot about Elseweyr. They'll definitely set it there. Everyone loves the Khajit. They're the breakout characters of the series. Skyrim was so fucking popular because literally everyone loves vikings and everyone already loves the Khajit so it's basically a given

>>51688427
Valenwood and Pyandonea as DLC

>>51688598
>Did they make even crazier moving things for Gamejam itself?

- they added hdt physics for foliage
- they added fucking seasons
- they added water currents that could be manipulated for dungeons
- they did this in a week
- SE has none of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PedZazWQ48

also mb it was 2012

>>51688614
yeah none of that's crazier or more technically impressive than numerous large mobile objects

>>51688642
How likely is the Summerset Isles? I feel like we're never going to go there honestly. They're home to the most widely hated race. Feels like financial suicide and Beth would never risk harming the sales of their flagship franchise

>>51688642
consider it was still just 2011

>>51688605
Bethesda might think that having a setting full of non-humans will scare casuals tho

>>51688685
did you miss the cat meme trend of the last 20 years of the internet

>>51688685
True. My only other guess would be Hammerfell. People seem to really like the Redguard.

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>>51688695
>todd catering to furries
>the next decade after TESVI will be full of furries
>TES becomes a furry franchise

>>51688673
Yeah, it won't really be a very good idea, it'll maybe be a "Chapter 2" expansion to another setting where you lead an actual invasion to REMOVE uh, shit what's an Altmer food?

>>51688750
Dragonborn's the closest thing they've done to a direct sequel of the main game's plot and even then it was mostly its own thing

>>51688673
I hope we get Hammerfell with seafaring and swordsinging gimmicks and play a pos nobody that becomes somebody but isnt a super special shezzar prophecized mary sue

>>51688721
Don't worry that's a long way away. Todd said himself they aren't currently working on a new Elder Scrolls and it won't be for "many, many years in the future"

>>51688750
What story could you even tell in Summerset? I honestly hope they drop the New Vegas style faction siding storylines. That shit is getting really fucking old really fast because either A.) It's never resolved and the conflict is never mentioned again in any future instalments or B.) They realised they wrote themselves into a hole and state which side canonically won which defeats the purpose. The Stormcloak quest line should have just been it, no siding with the Empire. There's no reason anyone to side with the empire and every imperial character is a fucking asshole like the Battleborns with no redeemable qualities which leads me to believe they originally had planned for there to only be a Stormcloak questline but later went back and added it in an imperial path during development

>>51686502
The coma in "the Worm" near the end needs to be either e period or a semicolon.

>>51688807
They did that with Oblivion and look how lame that turned out. Todd said that one of the big complaints they received with Oblivion was that you weren't the main character or "hero" - Martin was. You were just a side character in his story. It would be nice to have a sea themed swashbuckling story line about some kind of seaborne evil threatening Tamriel

>>51688807
why is NOBODY capable of spelling Shezarr correctly

one z, two rs, not the other way round

>>51686502
That was absolutely perfect until Jubal-Lun-Sul came along and then became indistinguishable from self-insert fiction.

>>51688810
>What story could you even tell in Summerset?


buncha deep lore origin shit and cosmic TES lore while not being as obtuse as the dunmer and more like an outsider (you) of outsiders (every other culture of tamriel) looking in to see what makes these weirdoes tick. possibly some more warfare bs with you being able to side with the altmer or the rest of tamriel or even a few other factions to usher in their bs.

>>51688824
not even a sidekick. not even a hero or a real bean. id rather be an everyman who has the distinct choice to be a hero but the world progresses around me and gives zero fucks.

>>51688828
shezzy shezzarine shezerainse you understand what i mean dichotomy on spelling aint mean a thing

>>51686984
It's a metaphor.
His feet became metaphorical and ceased to exist in mundane reality.

>>51688810
>muh head

lol

>>51688861
I don't get this reference

>>51687796
>This describes literally every medieval feudal society.
The multiply it by three. If it can be sued to describe anyone but Breton, multiply it again. Give them savant-level social memory and SI if you have to.

>>51688868
not him and its not a reference but you write kinda bad and assume they are going to carry on the dumbass civil war campaign; they'll probably just say some third party like hammerfell got involved and fucked everyone up and now skyrim is negrotown and its 200 years later and its darkies vs. pisskins

>>51688868
99% of stormcloak "supporters" pick their side because in the intro of the game the Empire tries to execute you by beheading

>>51688810
>There's no reason anyone to side with the empire
>5% bait power
Weak

>>51688902
dont take my bait meme dumbo; at least use it properly

the empire is stretched thin, like butter over too much bread. they're dissolving and the races of men are about to faction out into some weird shit.

>>51688105
>ESO shoutout
what did I miss?