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This bread sucks

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Didn't realize how kyoote the models for spyders are

>dubs names mine

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>>51666453
no u

>>51666473
Spyder

>>51666473
meeple meep

>>51666435
what's that fucking shit that I keep reading regaring the thousand snds and eldar's explain this to me finally or I will tear your arm off

>>51666473
Freddy

>>51666473
RowBoat

>>51666518
rumor has it in Gathering storm 2 that Ynnead chick undid the rubric to stop Ahriman and then threw the refleshed Thousand sons into the warp to troll ahriman

>>51666534
There is no rumor about it we literally have a screen shot of the book

>>51666484
It is, but people are more interested in actually seeing games of 40k get played. Losing with grace so people know WHY you would have conceded then is important.

>>51666534
>rumour
The fluff page where it happens has literally been posted in the threads multiple times you idiot.

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>>51666534
>rumor has it

>>51666518

>In another part of the battle, the sorcerers of the Thousand Sons are laying waste to the Eldar and its only the presence of Eldrad that holds them in check. Kysaduras meets his end at the psychic power of Ahriman, turned into a crude wooden statue stuck eternally in a cry of anguish. The Harlequins manage to push into Ahriman’s forces, but Ahriman points his staff and turns them into dust. Yvraine, the Visarch and the Yncarne rush in, but Ahriman lifts his hands and suddenly the Eldar Triumvirate find themselves adrift - on the outside of the webway! Yvraine can feel eyes on her back and knows that if she turns she will meet the gaze of the Changer of Ways and learn the meaning of madness. The Visarch and the Yncarne are desperately trying to cut through the wall of the webway, to no avail. Yvraine looks down through the wall of the webway instead and sees Ahriman. A sudden flash of insight strikes her and she shouts out, “Ahriman! I have the power you seek! I can restore your brothers!”.

>“Why should I believe you?” he replies. Yvraine reaches out with her power, and focuses on the Rubric Marines that accompany Ahriman and ‘reverses the cycle of their existence’. The marines of the XVth Legion suddenly stagger backwards, before rallying around Ahriman with the discipline of the Legiones Astartes. “Ahzek, is that you brother?” they call out, “What in the name of Magnus is going on? Why are we fighting Eldar?” Ahriman is stunned, shaking uncontrollably with emotion. He reaches out and pulls the Eldar Triumvirate back into the Webway. “Now!” Yvraine signals to her companions, as a Wraithknight smashes a hole in the webway and the Yncarne sucks all the newly resurrected Legionaries out into the void. Ahriman screams in denial, chasing off after them on his disc. “The Whispering God gives new life,” Yvraine says watching the Thousand Son forces get overrun, “Just as he takes life away”.

>>51666473
01100001 01110011 01110011 01101000 01101111 01101100 01100101

>try Castellans detachment in 850 point game
>have 1 Drop Pod
>Deep Strike into choke point
>land the strike
>enemy finally breaks it
>doesn't explode, leaves debris
>goes into Ongoing Reserves again
>Deep Strike again right behind the same choke point
>land the strike
>choke point still too small to get his Dreadnought through
>needs to break it again, has luck with it exploding
>goes into Ongoing reserves again

This is pretty fucking bullshit, desu.
Using several Drop Pods with that and building a wall of debris is a pretty fucking scumbag tactic.

>>51666534
Its not rumor anon posted pics of the fluff a couple days ago and that was part of what happened.

>>51666548
sorry for not being here allday erry day, moron

>>51666473
Smegma McRoodypoo

>>51666560
>one chance 5+
truly op

>>51666518
Ahriman ambushed the heralds of the Ynnead to suck out their delicious knowledge.

Yvraine called on the Ynnead's power to dispel the Rubric's curse on a few of the Thousand Sons, returning them to their pre-Broken lords state and giving them their minds back. Ahriman was immediately overcome with such emotion that he literally didn't know what to do, and basically just stood there dumbstruck.

The Eldar used this opportunity to tear a massive hole in the walls, sucking the resurrected Thousand Sons into the Warp before they could appreciate being alive again.

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>*Outflankz w/ outdated Zhadsnark rules behind u*
>*unsheathes dakkagunz*

GYAHAHA...NUFFIN PERSONNEL 'UMIE

>>51666587
>*gets killed before he can attack because I1*

>>51666547
That honestly just makes 40k a shit competitive game to watch, Starcraft is very similar, once the player is in a position where they will loose they forfeit instead of 15 minutes of watching the other guy blow up thier bases

The difference is they can jump into game two after like 5 minutes, while 40k takes much longer to set back up

That's the issue of a game that is a lot like chess, it's like like a fighting game where someone on 1Hp can and regularly makes comebacks

>I guess I shouldn't say it's shit outright but it for sure has some problems that will keep it from growing if they aren't changed

>>51666580
A 1/3rd chance is still pretty decent, especially when using a Steel Rain tactic of spamming the shits.

>>51666587
now stand still and wait for your I1 to strike

>>51666600
No one watches StarCraft anymore

>>51666587
Challenges you out with any at initiative rapist in the game

>nothing personal ork players

>>51666587
Outdated rules interactions are pretty much the only boon orks get

>>51666595
Zards I4 and strikes at initiative.

>>51666600
>That honestly just makes 40k a shit competitive game to watch
More or less. 40k is only really fun to watch when played casually.

It shines there, though. Only problem is finding other appropriately casual players to knock heads with.

>>51666625
Literally has nothing to do with what I'm trying to say, there's another board for shit talking SC, but can you agree it's a similar situation where people usually forfeit instead of letting a game drag on, and it works there because the way it's set up?

>or did you just wanna talk out of your ass instead of contributing?

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>>51666508

They're not physically weaker in the way you're claiming. We know they can kill marines, they're individually capable of taking down multiple World Eaters even when outnumbered.

Ra is just saying that they were ill-disciplined, they were basically barbarian shock-troops, so they'd make poor soldiers in wars that weren't just massive, million-strong melee bloodbaths like the Unification Wars were. Marines can actually into tactics.

And they don't have all of the marine's additional organs, they're just regular humans that have been weaponised, so they wouldn't be so reliable against various ayys that can use shit like acid, poisons and other weird shit that marines would be more resistant too thanks to their geneseed-spawned internals.

>>51666595
>>51666616
>>51666632
>Implyin' anygit could chase down a sunz warbiker
>implyin' yoo can charge wot yer can't katch

Figurez da imperial boyz neva learned da roolz

What was "Heroes of the Imperium" army in 3rd edition rulebook?

>>51666698
>They're not physically weaker in the way you're claiming.

They are as of Master of Mankind.

>Ra is just saying that they were ill-disciplined

And without all the enhancements of true Marines.

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>>51666551
>>51666582

Pretty fucking shitty. I always liked Ahriman as a tragic villain more than a Saturday morning cartoon villain, and I hope showing him they can in fact reverse the Rubric fucks them in the end. I hope he captures her and uses her as an anti-rubric battery, draining Ynnead of power ultimately because of her treachery.

>>51666600
I think it'd be better if they had games played at lower point values. Lower points means shorter games, less models, and less time to set up. It also means that playing out the match doesn't take as long, and an early surrender will eat up way less time, relatively speaking.

Of course, I'm sure all the netlisters would hate it, since they can barely squeeze in 5 Riptides at 1000 points.

>>51666702
Inquisitor, missionary, confessor, preacher, assassins, to be used with the proper imperial forces.

>>51666720
When was he even a Saturday morning cartoon villain? He went from an all around awesome hero to an embittered anti-hero who was forced to resort to extreme measures.

>>51666729
1500 seems acceptable, but certain people don't like it because they wanna bring certain models and formations

How long would a 2-3 at like 1000-1250 last? They would be decently fun to watch

>maybe top 8 could bump it to 1500 and you have a day to Taylor it to the other players just to really fuck with lists

>>51666582
I dont think she dispelled it as much as complete reverted the rubrics to a time before it happened. Its like she can control both life and death

For Crusader squads, am I right to assume that the best way to run them is by trying to get them into melee and mixing CCWs and Boltguns in a 50/50 split? Keeps the unit viable at range and gives a decent boost in assault, should it not?

Did the rubric happen before or after the Thousand sons fell to chaos?

>>51666604
This is more of a problem with Drop pods in general rather than the Castellans though.

You know what's better than a 1 in 3 chance for a free empty drop pod for your tactical squads? 10 guaranteed free drop pods for your entire army in a Gladius.

>>51666720
I was more hoping that they might end up turning him away from Chaos and redeem him as the first chaos character.

Then I remembered this is 40k and nobody ever has a good ending.

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>>51666718
>They are as of Master of Mankind.

I quoted the only mention of Thunder Warriors in that book. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Simply repeating the claim despite the evidence doesn't make it true.

They'd have sucked in the Great Crusade because they weren't soldiers, they were barbarians.

Individually, they're harder than marines though. The Outcast Dead and Horus Heresy: Book One both supports this.

>>51666794
Creating units to try and accomplish multiple totally different jobs at once

God damn just one of those regular reminders why I don't like playing with marines

>>51666802
After per athousand sons

>>51666785
Introducing mandatory list tailoring is a bad idea, since then Tau rule the day because they have the most generic platforms and don't need to buy 5 new kits to change their list.

1500 would probably improve things a fair amount though.

>>51666802
After as it was an attempt to halt the flesh change

>>51666473
Scuddles mc-duddles

>>51666473
Nigger

>>51666830
I don't understand why there's so much autistic screeching about going down to 1500, you can still bring a wraithknight, you can still bring most retarded broken formations

Can someone a bit more tourney savvy please enlighten me?

>>51666794
Not really. You're better off going full assault regardless. At most, give shotguns to some of the Neophytes if you want a bit more shooting ability, but those boltguns are a waste most of the time.

If you're outside of 12 where boltguns are more useful, you want to be running so you can charge sooner. If you're inside 12, you want to charge, so the boltguns are pointless.

Boltguns should only be on crusade squads that are taking a special & heavy weapon on a small 5 man team.

>>51666814
The entire purpose of Crusader squads is to be able to fulfill multiple roles since they're canonically the only kind of regular Marines that Black Templars even use. They also can't be taken in any Formation apart from the Wrathful Crusade (which isn't even good either) and can only take a Combi weapon if they pay 10 points for the Veteran upgrade to even have a Sergeant equivalent.

Also, Black Templar chapter tactics are absolute ass.

>>51666811
Was Kharn a Thunder Warrior?

I understand he dates back to the Unification Wars

>>51666435
What's the story about this? What happened?

>>51666863
I don't really know tourney's either, though just having 350 less points to chew through will speed games up. I mean, that's potentially 5 extra tactical squads to waste time setting up, moving, removing, etc.

>>51666879
Nope, just a particularly gnarly marine. The only World Eater who had the balls to not grovel to Angron while he was sulking about the Emprah ruining his death-or-glory last stand.

>>51666863
Going to lower points only helps the broken armies and hurts the ones that are already hurting.

I agree that moving to lower points in general would be better for the game overall but it needs to be done alongside a rebalancing of the Codices.

>>51666879
He was born during the unification wars just like ahriman

He is most certainly an astartes, just one of the oldest

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>>51666587
>*turbo boosts with Toughness 6 behind u*
>*unsheathes exposed decaying bowels from corpulent belly*

WEHEHEHEHE *breathes through respirator* NOTHING PERSONNEL, IMPERIAL

>>51666879
Nah, Terran born and part of the first wave of neophytes

>>51666811
>It doesn't say what you want it to say.

It does.
First of all it says the Thunder Warrior advance is ramshackle, which means they lack the mental prowess of the Marines.
It says the Thunder Warriors lack all the Marine enhancements.
Then it states their physical inferiority as they lack all the enhancements of "true Space Marines" implying they're knock off space marines.

>They'd have sucked in the Great Crusade because they weren't soldiers, they were barbarians.

No, they were soldiers. In fact Marines are called far finer soldiers.

>Individually, they're harder than marines though. The Outcast Dead and Horus Heresy: Book One both supports this.

Those are old and retconned.

I can't believe Orks got another buff. They already had ranged D from their New Gun Waaarp Kannons, and now with the new Gathering Storm: Revenge of Gazghkul it's just too much. 1st turn deep strike teleport for the whole army? Come on, even with the chance for a mishap it's broken with the inclusion of the triumvirate of the Green. Orkimedies means they will never scatter and wazdakka let's them shoot them charge in the shooting phase on the same turn then they arrive. Yet again another xenos buff. When is it chaos' turn?

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>>51666907
*shoots you to death while ignoring your nurgley cover save and proceeds to refuse to die while grabbing objectives for the rest of the game*

>nothing personal fleshfag

>>51666936
Why don't we just put this to rest and post the screencap of the quote in MoM?

>>51666547
>>51666600
>spend 20-30 minutes setting up
>blow away his Death Star turn two because he rolled 10 1s for his saves
>"WOOOW, I concede geegee"
How is this supposed to be good manners or sportsmanship?

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>>51666964
Done already.

Still won't convince him that Thunder Warriors weren't all -4 Str

>LoWs and superheavies/gargantuan creatures removed from sub-1850 point games
>point standard set to 1500
>remove/change grav and jink

How much would this fix and how would you fix Riptides to not be the absolute dominant thing in that environment?

>>51666971
Because there's absolutely no way to win at that point? Blowing out a deathstar on turn 2 means that you're probably looking at a 1850 vs 1000 point game. It's just going to be steadily wiping out the cheap troops the dude brought to camp objectives. How is that worth anyone's time?

>>51666936
>The second wave of Imperial Army troops were ordered with the bleak task of clear-up operations in the wake of the War Hounds' assault, hunting down any survivors hiding in the warren of tunnels and passageways, of which there proved to be precious few. There were multiple reports of coming across the hulking carcasses of Thunder Warriors, each with four to five Space Marines dead around them

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>>51666945
>Proceeds to buzz loudly and obnoxiously

>>51666987
You would need to remove D weapons of all sorts, as well as fixing Scatbikes. Other than that, it'd probably be a big step up.

>how would you fix Riptides
Make Riptides a Lord of War.

>>51666971
Get in the tourney mindset
>I am here to win games and win money
>I've played a million games with this list against all the armies in the meta
>I know that since he just 6'd out these key units I have about a 1% chance of winning
>I can't win so there's literally no reason to drag this game out anymore
>gg lets get to our next games

In casual, absolutely you're a cunt for quitting turn 1-2, in a tourney it's just a different zeitgeist with a lot more autism, talk to some tourney players and I'm sure they had stories where people drag games out in desparation or spite and they get annoyed

>>51666907
>>51666945
>>51666587
>*ambushes behind all three of you*
>*rends everyone to death in a massive multicharge whirlwhind of death for half the points using only civilian-grade mining equipment and prison shanks*

Overconfident blowhard faggots, get gud.

>>51666983
>Still won't convince him that Thunder Warriors weren't all -4 Str

I'm not saying they're -4 strength, I'm saying they're shittier than Marines.

>>51666997
Thanks, but as I said, old and retconned.

>>51666987

Make Nova more risky, increase their base points, remove default weapons, and make them pay for all weapon choices.

>>51666971
In the terms of tournament play? Gives you and your opponent a break in what is usually a pretty tight schedule rather than play out a forgone conclusion.

However for streamed/recorded games, it's a completely pointless gesture for the people watching, who would obviously like to see everything play out.

>>51666987
I propose that junk cannot be modified by any other cover, you either take your regular cover save or your jink

>fluffy? No balanced? Yes
>come at me DEldar players you can get your own special rule since you jack off to night fighting

>>51666987
>how would you fix Riptides
Make them Jet Pack Walkers.

>>51666473
Dildo

>>51667030
No this is the lore I grew up with and I refuse to aknowlege it was changed despite the new lore being better

>>51666473
Wimbleton.

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>>51666987
>and how would you fix Riptides to not be the absolute dominant thing in that environment?

Every Tau player is taken aside by the resident Ork/Nid players, an official Gamesworkshop bag is placed over his head and a baseball bat is taken to his Riptide whilst the Ork guy holds him. (A picture of Cruddace is taped to the Riptide and the nid player is given 5 minutes alone with it)

For every 'tide removed in this manner the Tau player is bought a box of Vespid/Kroot or sniper drones.

>>51666987
Just deleting Riptide Wing would go a long way.

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MODELING MASOCHISM TIEM
>painting an entire Necron army in NMM

>>51666987
>how would you fix Riptides
Suffered wounds make nova charges riskier (+1 to the die roll per wound)

OR

Suffered wounds disable a random piece of gear, drawn from the weapons systems, the jetpack, and any auxiliary systems (the shield, the FnP generator, etc).

>>51666473
Kek is not with us today

>rolling for Mr Spyder

>>51666994
Unless he's min maxed to the extreme the rest of his army shouldn't just be worthless chaff.
There isn't literally 'no way to win' as he could roll very well next turn and it is as fun to see how you lose as who wins or loses.

To focus purely on who wins and loses and nothing else seems incredibly childish and fore fitting 15 minutes in is extremely rude.

>>51667030
>old and retconned.

Except it's clearly not.

Stay jelly marinefag.

>>51667017
That doesn't sound like much fun at all.

>>51666943
You really enjoy depressing yourself don't you.

>>51667122
How many real 40k tourneys have you been to that wasn't just your store?
What was the size of the largest one you went to?
How many real large tourney games have you played?

Tourney 40k=\= fun casual 40k

>>51667111
>Riptide gets a -1 to Nova Reactor rolls for each missing wound

Can this be an actual rule? This sounds like a really simple way to actually make the Riptide lose effectiveness as it takes wounds. Just remove the Stim Injector's ability to cancel out wounds from it.

>>51667128
>Except it's clearly not.

>The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal
>2012

>Master of Mankind
>2016

It is.

>>51667058
>>fluffy? No

I never understood why Jink was modified by cover saves anyway. It doesn't represent the biker lowering his head further, it's meant that the biker does some curaaaaazeh stunt to dodge and weave past all projectiles. If anything, that should make him more obvious on the field and reduce his cover since he most likely pivots out while making his dodge maneuver.

>>51667122
This is a competitive tournament environment we're talking about. Nobody shows up to play fluffy fun games. They are all focused on winning. Conceding when you know you've lost in this environment is a courtesy, it's the opposite of rude. Dragging games out when both players know its over is what is considered rude here.

Don't like that? That's fine, don't play competitive tourneyhammer. The game wasn't designed for that anyways. 40k only really shines in narrative map campaigns with persistent forces and leveling/veterancy mechanics and unique mission special rules.

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>>51666551
And thats why the Emperor was right and we should never trust xeno scum.
I feel really bad.

>>51667109
>NMM
What is this?

To add
>magnetizing a Sydonian Dragoon
>to make him into a Ballistarii when I want to

>>51666551
Is it true Yvraine could also use the midichlorians to create life?

>>51667161
>cloud of flies and shit around nurgle biker makes him harder to hit

>oh shit he just cut to the side out of nowhere and now he's even harder to hit behind that cloud

It's pretty fluffy in a lot of cases, still bullshit and should be changed

>>51667156
>implying 40k fluff works like that

You must be new to 40k. You'd literally have to retconn most of the setting after every new Black Library release.

>>51666473
Zdanli
(Pronounced stanley)

>>51667156
These were written by different studios/writers without communication. Neither takes precedence over the other in terms of canonicity.

>>51667178
non-metallic metal

>>51667184
I'd rather argue that the bike makes a sharp turn and pulls out of the way so quickly that the flies can't even keep up with him dodging.

>>51667153
>>51667167
I don't get it, why would people play games of 40k if not to have fun?

They'll never win back more money than they spent on their army.

>>51667167
>>51667153
>>51667140
>>51667122
So we can agree people who go to tourneys forfeit because they are not there to have fun and are there to win games?

And usually in a game where you're trying to have fun you'll play a game out?

>>51667203
>>implying 40k fluff works like that

It does in the Horus Heresy series.

>>51667205
>These were written by different studios/writers without communication.

No. Thunder Warriors being better than Marines started in the Outcast Dead. It never made any sense but at least Bowden did one thing right and corrected it.

>>51667205
WRONG WRONG WRONG, fgt.

BL and FW share the same editors and are in close communication and coordination with each other.

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>>51666600
I hate this mindset, it's why I left Magic, I was the only guy in three different shops who would fight to end.

To me, half the fun of the game is winning, the other half is seeing how much destruction you can eek out if you're losing. And with 40k, who knows? That one guardsman may completely turn the tables.

>>51666720

I honestly think Cegorach's partly behind this. He's given Ahriman a new objective to focus on that's going to distract him from the Black Library for a while.

Of course, I suspect this entire Eldar plotline is part of The Final Act that Cegorach has supposedly been composing.

>>51666473
Fuckface Jr.

>>51667017
But the problem with this is it makes the match shit to live stream as the LVO displayed. You get tons of dead time

>>51667216
It's a different kind of fun. They find fun in analyzing and overcoming the meta, doing the best they can in terms of the tools they are given. The skin of the game, the narrative veneer, is generally inconsequential to them. You could refluff and proxy all of the models with WWII shit and they wouldn't care. It's about the crunch in a tournament environment.

Now, why they choose to do this in a game that's designed very much around painting, modelling, and customizing Your Dudes, and generally has a trash ruleset that most people only put up with because they are in love with the setting, is anyones guess. It might just be because they grew up with Warhammer, or its what their friends grew up with and what everyone around them plays. The game isn't really a good one for competitive play, but familiarity and social inertia is a thing, and there are some people who can enjoy both types of play.

>>51667216
I feel it's a lot like gambling, statistically you will never get your money back, but the rush of winning cash because you beat someone is addictive

>guy goes to my LGS
>almost only shows up for tourneys and they have about $50 for 1st usually
>any other game he tries to get the guy to bet like $10-20
>always plays the cheesiest eldar and brings units banned in even ITC
>finds some excuse to end the game early or leave the tourney early if he's not high enough to win money even if it fucks up the bracket
>ran an apoc event and tried to get everyone to put money into a pot and winning team gets the pot (he brought 4 titans and super heavies)
>no surprise he is the most miserable person to play against because he is super serious about the game and locks up and mean mugs you if he starts loosing

Some people only enjoy something if money is involved

>>51666496
Rerolling this

>>51667234
He also has the big E calling Primarchs by their numbers and mocking their belief that they're his sons and not just weapons, when earlier in the series, across multiple books, he's shown talking to Malcador about them as his offspring.

ADB just hates loyalists. Of course he made Thunder Warriors shit in his book, the loathed Emprah created them.

Anyway, one sentence in one book does not a retcon make though.

>>51667245
I partially agree with you. If you have even a single way that you could possibly win the game (some heavy removal in MTG or a tiny chance to win a few assaults in 40k or something) then you should definitely try to pull it off. I've won MTG games that stood 1 to 32 because I was able to get a decisive turn through.

However, if you opponent has 15 creatures on the field, you know you have no mass removal left and also know that you can't keep up with his creature count, then you should really just give up early and not drag it out. Same goes for Warhammer games where you are down to 1 or 2 units in a control point game while the opponent has 5 left scattered across the entire table by turn 2.

>>51667245

Some of people's best "Your Dudes" moments come from desperate last stands.

I hope with the fracture of bieltan dark eldar will finally stop moaning about a low tier army. Now they can take great units with Buffs all in the same force organization chart.

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>>51666971
go play starcraft and see how mad your opponent gets when you fight until every last unit is destroyed, hiding shit all over the place and expanding and playing hide and seek despite him having late-game macro, and then type "gg", because you're a good sportsman who fights to the end because it's noble, fugg!!!

>>51667318
>Anyway, one sentence in one book does not a retcon make though.

Yes it does, sorry of you don't like it, but it makes more sense this way.

>>51667356
making starcraft players buttmad is the noblest of causes

>>51667217
These are two different types of fun we're talking about. Some people enjoy the challenge of competitive meta. It's like a strategy/puzzle game. Other people want cinematic battles that tell a story, even if they're on the losing side. Both are valid ways to play and enjoy the game. You just need to discuss with your opponent beforehand and know what sort of a game both of you are looking for.

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Name my band

>>51667353
They still have every right to moan, considering they won't be playing Dark Eldar with the Ynnari faction and won't have a good army either unless they use non-Dark Eldar units, which will be in the same vein as people saying that SoB have no right to complain anymore because they got Castellans and can take Space Marine Grav Bikes now and similar shit.

>>51667381
MY BRAND

>>51667371
Only shitter terran players do this. There's nothing noble about it, they are just manchildren who don't like losing.

>>51666473
Beep-Boop McBeepington

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>>51666551
>>51666582
Picture of Arhiman shortly thereafter

>>51667378
This literally applies to every game of 40k ever

>wanna try against my tourney list
>dude I'm not feeling cheese I know the list I'm trying will get shredded
>wanna just have a goofy game?

Cure yourselves of autism right now and learn to communicate with the other player before the game, make compromises

>>51667364
Again, not how the fluff works.

Particularly since if anything constitutes a 'hard' fluff, it's rulebooks over Black Library, which means HH: Book 1 > MoM

>>51667382
If argue that a Ynnari army with nothing but Dark Eldar units would be at least mid tier, since Soulstorm is such a strong rule, though it's more of a bandaid than a real fix.

The ability to take Eldar allies has always existed though.

>>51667371
or any competitive game

>chess
>despite having lost i'm gonna delay checkmate for 10 minutes because this guy looked at me funny

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>>51667381
My bread

>>51667382
You can play Ynnari with purely DEldar units.

They still have some amount of right to complain though. There is no supplement in 40k that fixes all of the core issues of a bad faction. Even Traitor Legions is merely the best of the band-aids, still no replacement for an updated fixed Chaos Codex.

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>>51667331
Yeah, my experience went like this
>draw cards
>start to play
>opponent sighs and says he fucked up his combo
>resigns turn three
Like seriously, why even play if all you do is adhere to your deck's gimmicks 100% of the time?

At least people play to turn 6 minimum in my 40k store.

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>>51667414
this right here

reminder that if you complain about WAAC players, you probably have either aspergers or autism due to an inability to communicate with the other player to determine what kind of match you're after

and that's ok, because you're born with it: but avoiding competitive games if you just want a casual match is as simple as asking beforehand "hey man what kind of match you after?"

>>51667418
>Again, not how the fluff works.

It is how the Horus Heresy works.

>Particularly since if anything constitutes a 'hard' fluff, it's rulebooks over Black Library, which means HH: Book 1 > MoM

Not for the Horus Heresy. They have lore meetings and closer editorials.
And again, the super Thunder Warriors are a BL invention to begin with, so they can retcon it if they please.

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>get done with school/work
>have a couple hours to fap
>get in fapping position
>go to 40k general
>end up shitposting the entire time and mining those (you)'s
>not enough time left to fap
>head off to whatever else you where gonna do

Anyone else have this?

>>51667457
Some guy in my store took a chaos army consisting of 90 cultists and 2 helbrrutes led by a dark apostle. Against Foot KDK. Fun times were had by all.

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>>51667478
Yep

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>>51667478
Happened to me twice in the last 24 hours. Thank you for reminding me to jerk it.

>>51667433
u cannt even use all DE units with Ynnari.
And whether a pure Ynnari-DE list is actually solid is another question

>>51667448
We've all had those games though
>crusade style game
>you have 2 units left that can score and they would have a hard time pushing your opponent off
>even if you scored every point possible you'd loose
>tired/headache/vagina is sore
>"honestly dude you've got this game and there's really nothing I can do, can we just call it?"
>extend arm for gg

Anyone have any noble stories of forfeiting?

>>51667472
>It is how the Horus Heresy works.

Source?

Can someone explain to me why the return of rowboat would have any effect on the current systemployer Of hierarchy? I don't see how his return changes everything.

>>51667523
>>51667433
You also lose Power from Pain, don't you?

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>>51667478
>>51667495
bruh(s)

Anyone else miss when Cultist porn was actually fairly common on /tg/?

>>51667478
All the fucking time. But sometimes instead of fapping it's painting, and instead of heading off to do whatever else, I just keep shitposting. Because my friends work night shifts and can't be bothered to bend their sleep schedule even a bit even though I've completely fucked mine to go to their lunch break at 2am with them.

>>51667478
>>51667495
>>51667521

>too busy painting models and playing games in my free time to find girls to have sex with
>too busy shitposting about models to masturbate

i need to just develop a kink for plastic so I can find some way of getting sexual pleasure at this point

>>51667540
I wouldn't try it
My home ip is still banned from posting lewds

>>51667532
Laurie Goulding.
I'm sure he'd be happy to rant at you if you go and find him.

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>>51667472
>so they can retcon it if they please.

But they haven't. ADB just says they'd have got rekt by xenos because they're ill disciplined and don't have super-organs.

No retcon of super strength/killyness.

I'm sorry marines not being the tippy-top of super humans triggers you but it's GW that decides the lore, not you.

>>51666794
You definitely want a unit to specialize in something. I have mixed bolt guns and chainsword in my crusader squads before but found they do both things mediocre instead of one thing good.

If you got small squads in razor backs or rhinos with a special weapon then defs bolt guns. Land raider use chainsword every time

Can Shifting Worldscape target fortifications?

>>51667563
I mean, I could legit fap to the Yvraine model

She's got thighs that save lives. Celestine too. Goddamn

>>51667563
>enough time to go out and find girls to have sex with, paint models AND shitpost in-between
>too lazy and stingy to go out and hook up even when friends try to drag me out the house

Being comfy at home while painting is just too good. And not going out drinking saves me enough money to buy double the boxes per month I normally could.

>>51666863
Low points fucks marines. Those knights ain't cheap

>>51667478
not 40k but i have stumbled upon how to make a refrigerator with rubberbands

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>>51667381

Prey

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>>51667596
>Expecting me to go fruitlessly hunt for proof of your head-canon for you

>>51667611
>And not going out drinking saves me money
wisdom

I hate being a hermit, but I also really don't.

That makes we wonder, do people get annoyed when people bring Orks?

They're such a useless codex the game is decided before it even began so the whole thing is a waste if time for them. It would be good sportsman ship for the Ork player just to concede before set up.

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>>51667607
>Celestine too. Goddamn

i no rite

>>51667598
>But they haven't.

But they have.

>ADB just says they'd have got rekt by xenos

Yes, now if they're capable of killing Marine 5:1 routinely then that simply wouldn't happen.

They're shitty soldiers that the Custodes purged, something that they failed to do to the Space Marines.

>I'm sorry marines not being the tippy-top of super humans triggers you

It really doesn't.
Custodes are superior to Marines.
Grey Knights are superior to Marines.
Temple Assassins are superior to Marines.
Thunder Warrior are canoically shitter than Marines in the newest canon, and it never made sense for them to be superior.

>>51666871
>getting rage and counter attack from being over watched is bad
Never speak to me or my sword brothers neophyte again

>>51667635
Well I'm certainly not going to put in the effort to assuage your ignorance.

>>51667637
It's great. I've gotten my friends to the point of them rather just coming over if they feel like drinking with me instead of trying to get me out the house to get wasted. A whole 20-bottle box of beer at the market costs between 10-20€ at max and other alcohol isn't much more expensive. 4 or 5 guys paying for that together is so much fucking cheaper than going out to drink 5 beers each for 3€ a pop.

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>>51666720
Well he said it himself.

>>51667648
Thighs truly are patrician taste

>>51666473
Fred

>>51667652
>charge blob of small-arms unit that's strong in melee
>end up eating all shots due to 3+ save without casualties
>charge shooty unit you want to overwhelm in melee
>get shot to shits while overwatched and be unable to deal with them or deal with them ASAP and stand around in the middle of the board without cover

I'm sorry, brother, but it's way too useless way too often without being able to consolidate into the next combat.

>>51666784
Chaos is treated as nothing more than cartoon villains.
Fuck have you ever heard of a man called Abaddon.

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>>51667381
So many faces to choose from. Nice to see that guardsman getting his regiment to join in.

>>51667699
>No love for tummy

The irony is that I'm a big guy.

>>51667717

That's right and proper camaraderie that is, great at establishing and solidifying regiment morale.

Everyone gets an extra LOH ration this week. Now everyone line up for corporal punishment due to slacking off and poor regimental decorum.

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>>51667769
Got a giggle out of me. Take this.

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>>51667711
Double dubs speak the truth

Complete Catalog of Changes Necessary to Make SoB a Fair and Balanced Army:
>HQ
Canoness:
-Can take Relic Armor (2+ armor save) for 15 pts
-Can take Jump Pack for 15 pts
Celestine:
-Gains Act of Faith
>Elites
Celestians:
-Come stock with Relic Armor, Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon for 25 (needs testing) pt/model
Repentia: can upgrade Eviscerator to Executioner Greatblade (S+1, AP2, Melee, Two-Handed) for 5 pt/model
-Always 3+ FNP in close combat
-AoF changes FNP to Invulnerable (*not* 3++/3+++)
>Fast Attack
Immolator:
-Price increases to 75 pt (from 60)
-Comes with Twin-Linked Assault Cannon
-Can exchange TLAC for TLMM or Flamestorm Cannon at no cost
Repressor:
-Becomes codex-standard
-Gains Assault Ramp (in rear)
Sororitas Rhino:
-Transport Capacity increases to 12
-Price increases to 45 (from 40)
>Heavy Support
Exorcist:
-Can be taken in squadrons of up to 3
-Shots reduced from 1D6 (avg 3.5) to 1D3+1 (avg 3)
-Price increased to 135 (from 125)
Penitent Engine:
-Gains Fear and Rage
-Immune to damage table results other than Explodes
-Gains Incense Burners (grants Shrouded)
Retributors:
-AoF grants Rending and Relentless (from Rending only)

>inb4 sisters are perfectly okay with their decade old codex and don't need any changes

>>51667651
>the newest canon

One sentence. Which doesn't mention strength, just how they function as an army.

By your logic, Ultramarines are stronger and genetically superior to World Eaters, Night Lords and Word Bearers in the """""'newest canon'"""", because they function better as an army.

Until a book on those legion's comes out and they get their turn with the plot armor.

Just like how ADB has a handful of possessed Word Bearers overwhelming Custodes in The First Heretic (Word Bearer book), then has Custodes cut down hundreds of marines, possessed marines and hordes of daemons in Master of Mankind (Custodes book).

Hell, in The First Heretic, he has Custodes specifically fighting as inviduals, making them worse in open battle than Astartes, then in Master of Mankind has them be supernaturally coordinated with one another, making them unstoppable gods of battles compared to Astartes trying to breach the webway gate.

The idea that the Black Library fact-checks their HH novels down to the letter is laughable. You're mistaking consistency errors for retcons.

>>51667648
How can greyfax resist those childbearing hips?

>>51667711
Orginal poster from like a aeons ago, his name is now Fred the spyder

I want to build an SC! tier Thousand Sons army but they don't have a box. Any recommendations? Should I just buy Orks instead?

>>51667928
Is that what it feels to be a father?

>>51667878
>Just like how ADB has a handful of possessed Word Bearers overwhelming Custodes in The First Heretic (Word Bearer book), then has Custodes cut down hundreds of marines, possessed marines and hordes of daemons in Master of Mankind (Custodes book).

The Custards were supported by Sisters of Silence. Big difference.

>>51667899
I doubt lesbians are attracted to the "child rearing" aspects of the female anatomy after all they don't have a male brain.

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>>51667878
>The idea that the Black Library fact-checks their HH novels down to the letter is laughable. You're mistaking consistency errors for retcons.
This. Judge Awoo rules in favor of Anon.

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>>51666435

>Leave Abaddon to me.

>>51667878
>One sentence.

Yes, the new canon.

>Which doesn't mention strength, just how they function as an army.

But it does mention strength. it says they don't have all the implants, that they don't stand a chance in the galaxy - which makes no sense if they are actually vastly superior to Marines, and that space Marines are far finer soldiers.

>By your logic, Ultramarines are stronger and genetically superior to World Eaters, Night Lords and Word Bearers in the """""'newest canon'"""", because they function better as an army.

No, because that's not my logic at all. Ultramarines and World Eaters are both Space Marines.

>Just like how ADB has a handful of possessed Word Bearers overwhelming Custodes in The First Heretic (Word Bearer book)

They are Gal Vorbak, superior to regular possessed Marines.

>You're mistaking consistency errors for retcons.

No, you're mistaking retcon for consistency error.

>>51667878
>Ultramarines are stronger and genetically superior to World Eaters, Night Lords and Word Bearers
Well, that's just plain fact.

>>51668018
How does he keep that one skull from being damaged or lost?

>>51668054
Gloss varnish and a layer of dullcote.

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One of the oldest 40K mysteries just had some light shed on it. The Ymga Monolith appears to be Necron related. It' creating a sphere of order that protects its region from the rage of a warp storm.

There are thousands of Necron monoliths from the Sautekh dynasty descending on and surrounding the Ymga Monolith. Most puzzling is that Necron ships that come close to the Ymga Monolith get duplicated, increasing their number. How is that possible?

The daemon legions Khorne have inexplicably manifested and started attacking the Necron forces at the Ymga Monolith. Why do they gain from this? Necron are soulless and have no blood to give to Khorne's altar?

I am scared, /tg/. What does this all mean?

>>51667954
By "tier" do you mean a point cost that can play with the general SC! point range?

>>51667954
One Box of Ksons, a box of Scarab Occult, and the Termie Sorceror/Lord dual kit.

>>51668068
I'll believe that.

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>space marines versus grey knights
>infiltrate scouts with chainswords
>blap a grey knight termie with a bolt pistol because it rolled a one
>scouts all proceed to die
still worth

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>>51668108

>some ancient ruin duplicates necrons and impedes the warp
>why does teh daemons attack it?

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Looking to add some CE to my DE to Ynnarize them. Is the Fire Prism/Night Spinner any good since it's in the SC box?

>>51667651
>Grey Knights are superior to Marines
Grey Knights ARE marines, anon.

>>51668108
Where is this from?

>>51668161
Actually, it's said that the Grey Knights are to the marines what the marines are to humans.

>>51668155
God yes, the Fire Prism is stupidly versatile

>>51668182
Fracture of Ball-Tan.

>>51668155
Its pretty good in either variation, but it gets overshadowed by the rest of the bullshit units Craftworld Eldar can take.

>>51668161
True, but they're also distinct in that they draw from superior gene-seed and are all psykers.

>>51668194
>>51668202
Cool. Yeah I'm not really looking to get a Wraithknight since I'd rather play around with the Yncarne as my Lord of War.

>>51668229
Good. Wraith Units should be avoided until 8th ed. when D weapons will most likely be removed for the infinite horseshit they are.

>>51668184
>it's said that the Grey Knights are to the marines what the marines are to humans.
I thought that was Custodes?

>>51668184
It's also wrong, because as with all Space Marines the Grey Knight chapter follows the tutelage of the Codex Astartes and venerates Marneus Calgar and the Ultramarines as their superiors.

>>51668108

Now, here I thought the Ymga Monolith was a veiled reference to the Monolith of 2001: A Space Odyssey, given its potential for genetic fuckery of the Genestealers that came from it.

So I've been gone for a few days, and now I understand that the rubric was undone in like a sentence, which seems stupid.

What other retardations do we know of which go down in Gathering Storm 2?

>>51668355

The whole Rubric wasn't undone, just a handful of Rubrics. And it was done just to tease Ahriman, because Ynead is a wonderful bastard. Also Cegorach is supposedly giggling himself into a stupor.

>>51668155
Is that bitch shooting her own blood?

Okay, confused: How does a tyrannocyte's targetting resolve?

>>51668355
The firestorm in the damocles gulf merged with the warp storms and became a sentient firestorm that actively seeks out fleets of ships (killing all the tau trying to cross the gulf)

Badrukk is chasing a giant void whale that is heading directly towards catachan.

There are genestealer cults in some hive spires on terra, that the arbites, custodes and assassins are discreetly killing to death while the inquisition is trying to keep it under wraps.

I don't care for or read anything about the main plot/eldar tomfoolery, but what I did read was fun.

>>51668355
this is what happens when people get their sources from 4chan

it's like chinese whispers but with autism

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Jesus Christ!

The Damocles firewall that the Imperials created in the end of Mont'ka has been possessed by a daemonic warpstorm. Now it's spreading fiery destruction and daemonic infestation in both Imperial and Tau space.

What have you done, Imperialfags. What have you DONE?! Ahhhhh

>>51668460
>LETS SET THE SOLAR SYSTEM ON FIRE NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
>"Um...Magos...It seems the blazing nebula has attracted the gaze of the ruinous powers and has manifested as living flame"

>>51668441
never heard of void whales before

that is awesome

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>>51668257
eh, besides the wraithknight the rest are alright. wraithguard/wraithblade are short range so they require a transport. and no one remembers the humble wraithlord, wraithseer, or the wraith plane.

>>51668460

Oh man. I can only imagine how fucked everyone is over in the Sector with the Hadex Anomaly.

>>51668492

One at a whole Ork WAAAGH! once. Apparently they can dip in and out of the Warp, too.

>>51668441
I like lore that shows the Custodes actually fucking doing something, seems right ya know.

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>>51668460
>>51668441
Always two steps behind, Taufags!

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>>51668460
Well if it would only hurt Tau no one would mind.

>>51668532
Yeah, I dig it.

Makes me want to get some custodes figures.

>>51668432
More than likely, also it's poisoned.

>>51668441
>The firestorm in the damocles gulf merged with the warp storms and became a sentient firestorm that actively seeks out fleets of ships (killing all the tau trying to cross the gulf)
Freacking cogheads, those genius bastards did fuck the tau this time eh?

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>>51668460
>>51668488
>>51668536
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>>51668532
>>51668569

They were always some far-off force we never got to see on the field, just illustrations. Now they have plastic models and they're pretty tough, so fluff has to step in to accommodate what they've been up to for the past 10k years. So they filled in the fluff and have the Custodes actually doing shit while also taking their guardianship of the Emperor very seriously.

And Also I do want some Custodes now as well, although I tend to play exclusively Kill Team, and a Custodes force might be four models at maximum.

>>51668460
The imperium has more space where that came from.

>>51668441
Is the whale white? Is badrukk captain ahab now?

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>>51668441
>There are genestealer cults in some hive spires on terra, that the arbites, custodes and assassins are discreetly killing to death while the inquisition is trying to keep it under wraps.
How and when?

>>51668460

You know, because the fluff for that thing wasn't stupid enough already.

>>51667954
>SC! tier
the fuck?

>>51668506
Wraithknights in a jinking, night shielded Raider seem potentially quite nasty.

>>51668613

Whaaaaaat how could a planet with trillions of pilgrims constantly streaming in and out possibly end up with a Genestealer infection?

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>>51668020
>You're mistaking consistency errors for retcons.
>No, you're mistaking retcon for consistency error.

Ok, well I think you'll agree this is getting boring. Thanks for your contribution but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'll stick to Thunder Warriors being powerful but flawed creations, since it's more interesting than a straight progression in power level and will stat them according to what the bulk of the fluff describes them as.

I definately over-statted them before though. I was going off the 1 Thunder Warrior > 4 Astartes scale from the Cerberus Insurrection, but fluff wise, Marines can take out hundreds of regular soldiers, but can't on the tabletop, so fluff can't really be directly transfered to crunch.

Now I'm thinking something more along the lines of;

WS 4 / BS 3 / S 5 / T 4 / W 1 / I 5 / A 2 / LD 8 / Sv 4+ / FNP 5+

Zealot, Rampage and Adamantine Will

Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

That way you've got the emotionless lack of fear, coupled with a lack of complex tactical training, from the zealot special rule. Rampage covers them being designed to hack through hordes of techno-barbarians and Adamatine Will covers their immunity to psykers that Age of Strike Terra was apparantly infested with.

>>51668602
just take four anyways, play them as space cops

ADEPTUS CUSTODES, PUT YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM

>>51668627
not only would that be breaking the game but you'd be gimping the wraithknight by putting it in a slow vehicle

>>51668624
Start collecting! I assume.

>>51668640
I feel like they'd still be BS 4. Guardsmen that survive two battles are BS 4.

>>51668122
Aye, I'm new to the game.

>>51668130
Thanks.

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>>51668633
I have read some fluff that there were purges on Terra when Hive Fleet Gorgon was rolling into town, and you honestly think the Imperium wouldn't be checking everyone who comes to Terra for genestealer taint?

>>51668673
i wanna say shooting and fighting isn't that hard but i'm a artist who knows nothing about that

also when the universe easily wipes 10,000 guardsman a day you gotta be badass to survive a few fights

>>51668692
Not him, but the Imperium is far from perfect and efficent. Sooner or later someone fucks up somehow.

>>51668692
>you honestly think the Imperium wouldn't be checking everyone who comes to Terra
they make mention of that, actually, how they somehow slipped by their standard scans and propagated

>>51668692

Scale, dude. With Genestealers you only need to fuck up screening once. Fuckers are almost like Ork spores for breeding up their own ecosystem.

Does anyone have that picture of all the primarchs as willum dafoe

>>51668447
>it's like chinese whispers but with autism
Underrated comment.

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>>51668746

>>51668711
Shooting isn't that hard. Fighting is a lot harder.

>>51668652
>>51668627
My bad, I mean Wraithknights obviously.

>>51668646

Currently have an AdMech Kill Team to finish, and a Harlequin Kill Team after that. Also I keep getting sidetracked by sculpting Blanche-esque AdMech stuff for my own purposes.

I've already finished Servitor-horse Dragoon and am painting it (poorly) now, and plan on doing a weird scorpion-like psychic servitor bullshit project right afterwards.

>>51668821
Wraithguard

Fucking autocorrect

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>>51667899

>>51668673
Maybe. I kinda wanted them to be less shooty than Marines, since they lack auto-senses in their helmets and ammunition for training would have been scarce, but you make a good point about veterans.

They're berserk maniacs, but then Khorne Beserkers don't lose a point of BS just because they're frothing at the mouth.

>>51668692
>be checking everyone who comes to Terra

I refuse to believe they're that efficient at screening. This is the Imperium 'Forgets Entire Planets Exist Due To Rounding Errors By Junior Adepts' of Mankind.

>>51667861
>Complete Catalog of Changes Necessary to Make SoB a Fair and Balanced Army:

>>HQ
>Canoness:
>-Can take Relic Armor (2+ armor save) for 15 pts
>-Can take Jump Pack for 15 pts
Fine

>Celestine:
>-Gains Act of Faith
Should be there anyway

>>Elites
>Celestians:
>-Come stock with Relic Armor, Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon for 25 (needs testing) pt/model
25pts for a S/T/I3 model. Kill yourself.

>Repentia: can upgrade Eviscerator to Executioner Greatblade
>-Always 3+ FNP in close combat
>-AoF changes FNP to Invulnerable (*not* 3++/3+++)
So, their problems is exactly the same?

>>Fast Attack
>Immolator:
>-Price increases to 75 pt (from 60)
>-Comes with Twin-Linked Assault Cannon
>-Can exchange TLAC for TLMM or Flamestorm Cannon at no cost
No. Kill yourself. Leave the Assault Cannon to the Marines, make the HFlamer fast again or reroll wounds , give the HB inferno rounds

>Repressor:
>-Becomes codex-standard
>-Gains Assault Ramp (in rear)
Fine.

>Sororitas Rhino:
>-Transport Capacity increases to 12
>-Price increases to 45 (from 40)
Kill yourself. We're already paying a 5pt premium.

>>Heavy Support
>Exorcist:
>-Can be taken in squadrons of up to 3
>-Shots reduced from 1D6 (avg 3.5) to 1D3+1 (avg 3)
>-Price increased to 135 (from 125)
Why are you still allowed to breath?

>Penitent Engine:
>-Gains Fear and Rage
>-Immune to damage table results other than Explodes
>-Gains Incense Burners (grants Shrouded)
Fine

>Retributors:
>-AoF grants Rending and Relentless (from Rending only)

>>inb4 sisters are perfectly okay with their decade old codex and don't need any changes

Sisters aren't perfectly fine, however they ARE in a decent place. Your ideas would do more harm than good.

>>51668155

Fuck off cheesemonger

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So I was thinking about making a small alllied detachment of Black Templars for my main IG army. How does this shopping cart look to you guys?

>>51668920
Though I'd agree with you in that it's perfectly possible, we don't really have enough information on modern Terra to make that call. People keep forgetting that the Imperium is varied as all hell, with a few advanced hyper-efficient worlds out there. What Terra is, however, is a good question, and the Genestealer infection has given us some decent light on how organised it is.

>>51667111
I like both ideas, coming from a single Riptide owner. They convey the idea of Riptides being at the peak of what the earth caste can push their tech to do, by putting such a potent drive inside such a small frame.

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Going with the Ahriman theme of this thread, thoughts on this list? Tzeentch Daemons start collecting box seems like a pretty good deal, although I'd eventually have to get the blue horrors.

>>51668962
The Inquisition and Assassin office are investigating how the heck the genestealer made it in and how they spread in Terra despite all the extensive technological and psychic methods used to screen Terra from threats.

I believe this has to be the sign of some major conspiracy

>>51668964
It would also simulate battle damage actually doing something to the Riptide, almost as an equivalent to the vehicle damage table, because regardless of what the rules say the suit would start rapidly losing effectiveness after taking heavy damage like any other walker.

>>51668998
Or just general ineptitude.

Terra is a world of Trillions, with a T. There are billions of pilgrims coming in every day. Just a single family managing to get through is no hard job; seeing as Alpha Legion managed to place an entire company on there during the Heresy

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>genestealer cults popular army
>all of a sudden they're on terra

lol, bet they still have their mining uniforms too

>>51669009
Yeah, and I get flashbacks to playing Battletech and getting a laugh when something vital falls off at a critical moment. I think something like this could spread across the "giant walker that isn't a walker" catagory, though would you take that up to Titan-scale units? Honestly I've never looked at any except the Ta'unar (I don't care if its never fielded, I just want one sometime)

>>51666883
>>51666883
Ahriman captured Ynnead and his/hers/whatever the fledgling Eldar God's gender is to feed them to Tzeentch.

However Ynnead undoes the Rubric on Ahriman's Rubric Marines and changes them back from dust to flesh. Even one of them recognizes Ahriman and calls him both brother and by his name.

Then the ex-Rubrics get sucked into a warp rift because Eldar prove they are dicks as always.

>>51667140
Competetive 40k is about as much fun as having your teeth drilled.

>>51666802
Well it's debatable
They didn't entirely fall when they were purged and for x amount of time when on the planet in the eye they did who knows what whilst Magnus sulked
Then the flesh change came back worse and the Rubric happened and then Magnus went formally over to chaos
So it's possible reborn rubrics would be anti chaos
Their captains who were the sorcerers are a different matter - though it seems many of them are later recruits with unknown geneseed material / renegade later marines

>>51669067
listening to children scream in agony is fun, though

>>51666810
Look at him from an outside perspective like in Czevak he is a monster

>start AdMech army
>buy SC! Skitarii, Skitarii squad, 5€ Dominus off of eBay and Eradication Cohort
>realize can't use any of my Cult Mechanicus units because I need 2 Kataphron units

Even if the Cohort is a steal for its contents, it really bothers me that everything needs 2 Kataphron units. Am I overlooking something here or are my options only 1. pure Skitarii (with or without Dominus Maniple) 2. the Eradication Cohort formation 3. putting together a Grand Convocation from Gathering Storm?

Which one of these would probably be the best thing to aim for for the moment until I can pick up a second Kataphron squad? And once I do, is it generally better to go with Breachers/Holy Requisitioner or Destroyers/Elimination Maniple, including my eventual War Convocation?

>>51669082
Lucius, please.

>>51668978
what did you use to make this?

>>51669112
>because I need 2 Kataphron units
one

allied detachment only needs one HQ (dominus) and one Troop (kataphron)

Speaking of the Emperor's faggots, are we going to be seeing a Bobby G-Fulgrim rematch?

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>>51669156

>>51669156
The force.

>>51669061
Holy shit. They gave him and the Sons as a whole the best reason to fuck with them.

>>51669180

At least it'll keep those nerdy fuckers out of the goddamned library.

>>51669180
Yep. Ahriman was literally screaming in terror when the whole rift thing happened to his bros.

>>51669227
Not terror. Denial and grief.

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>>51669061
>Azhek? Is that you, brother?

>>51669180
Ahriman should be able to save them as he goes diving after them straight away, but yeah he's gonna want to come back and either steal/bargain for the power.

Hope they bring it up again tbqh.

>>51669061
Yvraine trolled the complete shit out of Ahriman

Feels so fucking good

>>51669218
Ahriman already got into the library in WoM. He stole a map of the webway. Guess that's it now that his motivations have been retconned.

>>51669162
Oh right, that is also an option though frowned apon around here since it opens up easy cheese possibilities.

Though I'm not entirely convinced how good that would be with a Skitarii as my Warlord compared to the alternatives.
Kinda wish that in addition to giving Preferred Enemy to your Warlord if it's a Skitarii Alpha they'd also give him Independent Character. Would give a decent incentive to use one as your Warlord even if there's a Dominus available.

>>51669165
Yeah, in The Gathering Storm VI: The Retcon of Slaanesh

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>>51669243
Oh.

Well I'd be in a state of terror if I saw my bros from 10K years ago get sucked in by a warp rift.

>>51669253
Ahriman is indeed a tragic individual.

>>51669264
Shut up Eldar. To think I felt sorry for you having shitty ancestors and having to cope with the whole ordeal with Slaanesh.

>>51669156

Has this been added to the bingo, yet or is there a blanket "Question answered in the OP" square?

this shit has inspired me to make a 30k army of ahriman and his boys

real good that burning of prospero exists desu

>>51668978
Any actual thoughts? Not just meme responses?

>>51669303
Butthurt heretic detected

>>51669327

Fair warning: Inferno has significant cheese. Like 40k, avoid Magnus.

>>51669327
>MK3 TSons
Disgusting.

>>51668947
>No. Kill yourself. Leave the Assault Cannon to the Marines, make the HFlamer fast again or reroll wounds , give the HB inferno rounds
Immolator flamer is already TL which gives reroll to wound
just sayin

So 2 question about the Eldar thing

any leaks for formations yet?

and do Necrons appear in it or get alluded to at all? I just want the next book to be Necrons

>>51669287
Only becomes a problem if you let it become a problem. I think it's basically expected skit/mech are going to be using allies in some capacity if not going full warconvo.

>>51669329
Way too many points put into those sorcerers. You've got like twenty bodies in 1500 points, none of which are particularly durable.

>>51669347
I think an army that included both magnus and ahriman within a reasonable points limit would have a serious, serious issue with warp charges

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Being trained in the path and fighting in the arena certainly did not help her pick a better outfit for the job. No wonder why she lost to Lelith,

Maybe because her perverted mentor told her to wear it for his fetish, dirty old man.

>>51669369
Yeah the lists pretty bad, but I dont know how else to make a TSons list. This formation atleast gives psychic dakka, and sticks them with some obsec bodies.

>Way too many points put into those sorcerers.
They have to ability to first turn charge with soulswitch on the infiltrated horrors. They'll do work with some biomancy/force charges.

As for the lack of bodies, they could be made up by summoning if I gathered more models in the future.

>>51669363
>any leaks for formations yet?

Yeah, there's four. Whispering Ghost Hall (Wraiths), Ynnead's Net (Bikes), Soulbound Vanguard (Avengers, Wyches, Incubi), and Aeldari Bladehost (Wyches, Storm Guardians, Harlequins). Ynnari armies can take all of the existing Eldar/DE/Harlequin formations in addition to these.

>and do Necrons appear in it or get alluded to at all?

Not that I'm aware of.

>>51669416
>Being trained in the path and fighting in the arena certainly did not help her pick a better outfit for the job.

Phil Kelly talked in a video interview about how he imagined her clothes would fall off when she entered the Arena, precisely so she doesn't get tangled up in them.

>>51668460
>Chaos Tau
How does this work?

>>51669363
We get mentioned in one of the sidebars about the Ymga Monolith or whatever it's called. My guess is that after 8th hits we'll get a book in the next "end times" trilogy, whatever they end up calling it.

>>51669416
it's okay anon, we know you do better shitposting when you're uninformed

>>51669490
shas'o kais

>>51669416
She's wearing a wychsuit underneath and sheds the dress to fight.

>>51669358

I honestly couldn't remember if that was still a thing because I haven't used a HFlamerlator since C:WH, and haven't used a TL flamer since Doms lost Twin Linked in the 6th update.

>>51669497
Damnit I really wanted a war in heaven resurgence with Eldar amping themselves up and Necrons opening the old doomsday vaults to deal with the psyker shenanery.

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rate my tau list.
I'm playing a waac game against orks soon and he only asked for no flyers (i only own fw flyers, hence name). I'm considering giving him his hq (the fw ork biker) for free to balance out orks being shit. He wants me to run the riptide btw, to see if he can deal with it, and because he is masochistic.
Anyway, rating/feedback would be nice.

>>51669432
>They have to ability to first turn charge
Thing is, that's not really that great in this situation. Like, think of it this way; for the same price as one of those exalted sorcerers you can basically get eight rubrics and a rhino. I know rubrics aren't very good, but even they've got a lot more staying power than a single 3-wound character, jetbike or not.

I mean, take what you want, TSons are obviously forced into being a casual army from the get go, but if it were me I'd probably just go:

1 exhalted
rubrics+rhino
rubrics+rhino

and then use 250~ points to either add some heavy vehicles (predator/vindicator, maybe?) or bump up the daemon side of the army with more of everything (like, make it a CAD, add another horror squad, another screamer squad and another flamer squad)

>>51668947
>25pts for a S/T/I3 model. Kill yourself.
Sorry, I'm conservative when playing with 2+/6++ saves. It's probably fairly costed compared to SM terminators, but they're shit, so maybe they should be more like 20-22 points? 17 seems too cheap, especially considering they'd have a viable assault transport.

>So, their problems is exactly the same?
Their problem before was that they had no way to get into close combat, and no way to survive until their initiative 1 step if they somehow managed it. My changes give them a way to get into melee (Repressor), and a way to guarantee a solid chance at actually surviving a round of close combat. Although come to think of it, I should also have made the AoF increase them to initiative 7. It wouldn't matter for the Eviscerators, but it would synergize well with the Greatblades.

I know they're not going to survive a second round of close combat, but they were never meant to; they literally wear paper for armor.

>Leave the Assault Cannon to the Marines, make the HFlamer fast again or reroll wounds
Avenger Mega Bolter, then. S6 AP4 36" Heavy 5. It needs more than just a heavy bolter, and fleshbane is excessive against MCs and not useful against light armor. The bolter is supposed to be middle of the road option between the flamer fucking up fleshies and the melta fucking up vehicles. And the TLHF it's offered with now already rerolls wounds, and it's shit.

>We're already paying a 5pt premium.
Good call, I actually messed that one up. For some reason I was thinking SM Rhinos cost 40. Anywho, the Sisters Rhino needs a bit more transport capacity because 10 sisters is less than 10 space marines, and they can't combat squad. The rhino still won't be worth it vs the immolator, but at least you'll have room for a half-squad of sisters plus a priest and maybe a canoness if that's your thing.

1/2

>>51669661
Riptides aren't invincible. If his list isn't retarded and if he's prepared for it, it won't be too overpowered, even if he's Orks.
Your allied detachment is pointless and won't accomplish much. I understand you're going for the Homing Beacon, but this isn't good enough.
Your only way to deal with vehicles is a single Fusion Crisis Suit. If it goes down, or if he's fielding multiple vehicles, you'll either have to pray the Plasma or Riptide can hit the rear, or you might as well surrender.
Shield Drones are virtually useless.

>>51669621
Still might happen. But not today.

>>51669482
>>51669593
Yep, definitely some weird fetish.

So what i get is she will have a new dress after each battle (probably with different design too) like a real life celebrity.

I can't wait to see GW publish some story about her daily shopping routine in the aeldari malls in the webway, or an interview with her tailoring team that make her a new dress every battle.

>>51669738
2/2

>Why are you still allowed to breath?
The Exorcist is a very powerful unit; it's probably the best unit in the codex by a fair margin. Balancing involves making the best units a little worse and the worst units a little better, until you have options other than "take 37 Exorcists" which isn't any more fun or dynamic than "take 37 Riptides" or "take 37 Flyrants." Nerfing it makes Retributors and Penitent Engines more desirable, and discourages taking 9 of them in a single CAD, which is the whole reason why they can't be squadroned currently.

I'll admit that 10 points is a significant hike for no added benefit, though. Let's say it comes with a free Storm Bolter to help protect it from Weapon Destroyed. You can still buy a second Storm Bolter for 5 points, as well.