/awg/ Alternative Wargames General

So asked about confrontation in the last thread. All I've heard about it is there's a pretty dedicated fan base and the models are amazing.

Can anyone expand on this a little more trying to understand all the hype.

Oh I posted this last thread. If somebody wants to add it to the pastebin for the next thread, that'd be cool.

Two Hour Wargames:
https://mega.nz/#F!9R8G2aQb!g-dZXkyCmkrljzH60tZEhQ

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Present for the new thread: Alternative Armies' HoF Fireteam rules.

They're a 15mm grid-based skirmish ruleset, a possible selling point is that they require a relatively small playing area which can be made up of small modular segments. Combined with smaller models and low model counts this is quite a portable game with fairly low overhead.

Rulebook:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/h0icx0332vx37rp/HoF_Fireteam_Rulebook.pdf

P&P Map tiles:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/u072h3sh9hwft9r/HoF_Fireteam_Grids.pdf

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Spartan have actually updated stats for DW: Fleet Action. Are we seeing a change in them regarding abandoning shit?

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/resources/downloads

>>51634086
Honestly, that's all I can think of. The miniatures were amazing, but the fluff was never huge, and the game editions were always a mess. The one ruleset they came out with that wasn't bad was after they killed the miniatures.

Cadwallon sells re-casts of the line, if you want to check out the sculpts yourself, they really were quite good.

>>51633995
That's a cool mech.

>>51634538
I'm hopeful. However Spartan does go through periods of improvement which unfortunately haven't been enough to stem the general downwards trend.
But the KS progress and rules updates really have me hopeful.

The real change will come when there's a coup and a junta of people who know how the fuck to run a wargaming company depose Neil.

>>51633995
OP from which wargame are these minis? I really dig the retro soviet/red alert-ish vibe.

>>51635729
Ion Age. Noblebright Space Knights vs Evil Alien Space Empire with a dash of slug ape pirates and Chinese space jews for good measure.

>>51634345

Thanks for this, Anon. Looks kind of neat and I've been pondering a system for a portable wargame.

>>51634179
Thanks for the upload m8.
Just wondering though, there's eratta in there for 2 hour dungeon crawl, but not the core game. Is that on purpose?

>>51636057

It's because in the three different guy's collections I gathered and assembled into one archive, there was no copy of that. If I find one, it's going in there.

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>>51633995
Just wanted to let you know that onepagerules has finally launched their patreon and the new editions of their games. If you had been looking for alternative rules for 40k / AoS / WHFB then this is the place to be.

https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/

>>51634086
I think the hype is almost fully based on the fact that it died. The models were pretty great for the time and the rules had some interesting shtick to them, but it wasn't really that ground breaking. People just started getting attached to it and then the whole thing imploded so everyone is crying over spilled milk.

Had the game not died out I'm not sure that people would still be talking about it today.

>>51636482
Hory shet, new editions? Cool.

Fuckin "grimdark future." Amazing.

>>51636482
Double Tap looks like a great reduction of Infinity. The hell is a block roll though? The quality test to not die after getting hit?

>>51636523
Keep in mind also when it died. It was the mid 2000's, it was back wjen GW was starting to leave a bad taste in people's mouths, and there wasn't much competition. So it left a bigger impact than something of equal value would today.

Its also like how people reacted with the AoS change, they took something of value and replaced it with something viewed as lower value. Yeah, AoR had much better rules, but most people weren't in Confrontation for the rules. It also didn't help that AoR pre-painted plastics were so much worse that AT-43's, showing that they could do better, but didn't.

>>51636482
Hey, mans have Defense stats now - it's not just all Quality. Neat.
The weapons also are defined in army lists, so no more "Assault Rifle" space marines.

>>51636785
That is what I would assume.
Also I went in not expecting it to be infinity and to be more of just urban Spec Ops, but no it actually uses the Order Pool and reaction system (well, close to it while sticking to its own system), which is bloody hilarious. It even has reactive shots at Burst 1. Bloody amazing.

>>51636879
Now I want some cool sci-fi minis to play Double Tap with. It looks like it'll transfer across to 15mm fine and I was looking for an excuse to get a few of the White Dragon squads...

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>>51636482
>>51636879
they have some cool stuff but holy shit double tap looks amazing. now I'm thinking of getting one of those infinity starter sets.

which one would you recommend? operation ice storm or operation red veil?

>>51637419
I'd say Red Veil 'cause the models are waayyy cooler but then I'm biased as I collect both of the factions in Red Veil but neither of the factions in Ice Storm.

Also if you do then get into Infinity proper after picking up a starter I reckon Red Veil's got some more interesting units stats wise too.

>>51637419
Just pick the one you like the look of most (ie, aesthetics), especially if you aren't even going to play the game it's attached. Icestorm is PanO vs Nomads, Red Veil is Yu Jing vs Haqqislam

>>51637419
I hear Red Veil has better built in scenarios but its entirely down to who you think looks better.

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>>51636859
>>51636523
>>51635439
>>51634086
From my perspective (admittedly limited), it was just the absolutely incredible sculpts that Rackham was putting out. Almost nobody actually played, but you weren't a "serious painter" unless you had some Keltoi bitches humping their swords. It also used a somewhat fiddly cards-and-chits system that was kinda tainted by memories of 2e 40k (in the wake of the virtually counter-less and extremely fast-paced 3e). Imagine how we'd be looking at Warmahordes right now if they had died right at the cusp of making Warmachine 2.0, and then someone put out shitty Wizkids pre-paints as the "official" minis.

I have a few (mostly that Anubid sorceror-chick and some kind of Angel of Death), but even proxying I could never get into the game all that much. It ought to be interesting to see what they have coming down the pike though.

>>51637419
>I'm thinking of getting one of those infinity starter sets.
>which one would you recommend? operation ice storm or operation red veil?
Check out "Guerilla Miniatures Games" and "Gaming with the Cooler" on the tube of yous - they run through both intro boxes as mini-campaigns and the players are relatively experienced with Infiniti.

>>51634086
Great miniatures and art with original fantasy and extensive gallery and rules (desert genetic black sorcerers? yes. Elves fighting on stilts to catch flying units? yes)

>>51638460
>>51634086
Oh, and I almost forgot the vast quantities of furry porn sponsored by the Wulfen. So many goddamn furries.

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>>51638460

Post pics of not-Napoleons.

Does anyone have a PDF of FiveCore? I'm looking at possibly running some VACW skirmishes with my gaming group.

Come all, Anons, draw near to me.

I fought the good fight, I put together test forces, demo'd games, tried to get folks interest. Gruntz, TNT, Frost Grave and Rogue Stars. No one in my area is interested. This area will always be Warmahordes.

I'll try to establish awg no more.

>>51639255
Your problem was that you didn't buy all the forces yourself and then just lent out armies, without the expectation they would eventually get their own.

>>51634345
Thanks! I've played... I think it's Firefight, the 28mm version? The first edition of it, not the recent one. They make some pretty good games.

Looks like the Marvel miniatures game is dead. Knight Miniatures announced that they were stopping production on it.

>>51639255
Solo gaming ahoy!

>>51634086
They died an hero before they could become a villain.

>>51636482
Awesome, but I wish they at least kept an "archive" of some of their older games/editions.

I hope they add the rest of the armies and remake some of their previous games in the future.

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>>51643661
https://filescdn.com/hotixcgv2m5w

Not as good as them doing it, but this is a .7z I just threw together of their old stuff I had DL'd.
Apparently it'll only be up for 7 days, though. Meh.

I think the noticeable things not present in the newer versions are campaign rules, and then like WW2/Modern "armies". What else is missing?

>>51642253
No real loss. The models were shit, reminded me of 1970's mini figs. Don't think 32mm was right for them!

Any "weird" thematic game? something like weird WWII?

>>51645600
In Her Majesty's Name, Malifaux

>>51645689
Is In her Majesty's kind of recent? because there isn't much available.

>>51645743
One core book and an expansion, it's kind of self-contained.

First for FiveCore + FiveParsecsFromHome for best alternative sci-fi system

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GZG have some pretty minis. The 6mm even have not-scopedogs/fatties. Any other way to get cheap votoms minis?

>>51643802
>>51643661
anon already announced that he will slowly add all the old armies back and more, not really sure about the ww2/modern armies though...

>>51645771
2 osprey expansions, +1 gothic horror schedulled, the author's blog also has a crapton of extra warband lists

>>51645986
I'm desperate for a PDF of Five Parsecs From Home but I couldn't find one and I'm broke so paying for it is an issue.

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>>51645600
Dystopian Wars could be considered weird World War I.

Any of you heard about that new black earth game? Silly sculpts but seem like a good bunch of guys trying to make a 28mm sci-fi wargame.

>>51646852
Are the tanks easy to remove from their bases or theres a high chance of damaging the model doing so?

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>>51646932
Depends on how you attach it.

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>>51647067
>Those models

Dunno what it is about them, but they look really nice

>>51646852
I've heard this game is more into naval combat that air craft/tanks/foot soldiers. i'm wrong?

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>>51647341
Cleomedes cruisers. They're an odd one. Didn't like them at first, painted them up and fell in love.

>>51647501
Sort of. Rules-wise they're all equally represented. On the tabletop, naval far outstrips land and air in popularity, and as a consequence gets the lions share of the model releases and games played. I really like my little lancer divisions, so it disappoints the shit out of me.

>>51646838

I only have my watermarked one, will post mine when I look up how to strip them out. Along with my FiveCore 3rd edition.

Well worth the small price if you go begging for paypal donations with a fake but believable sob-story on "go fund me"

>>51648852
In 7chan there are guys than can clean it for you.

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I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I'll go ahead and stream of consciousness it: Basically I feel like there's a weird disconnect between all of the wargaming which I see and experience and the wargaming which appears to be out there, in particular at conventions. With regards to genre and scale.

Like, all of the wargaming I've done and all of the clubs and FLGS' I've been to play 28mm fantasy and sci-fi games, barring Dystopian Wars & Firestorm Armada with regards to scale, and Bolt Action and Saga with regards to genre.
But at the conventions I go to (Salute, Reading Warfare, PAW last weekend) the majority of stuff I see being sold is historical and/or in a smaller scale. And the majority of the tournaments at Salute & PAW were historical (although 40k is always the biggest in size)
My first thought whilst typing this was that it's a generational thing (I'm in my early 20's), but I quickly dismissed that after thinking about the clubs which I've played at and they had a wide variety of ages playing. It might be a regional thing, but it's been true whether I've been playing in Wales, Hertfordshire or Devon..

Basically I guess I'm asking, where are all the historical and small scale wargamers which apparently there's a market for but which I've never encountered? Do they all play at home? Have I just not happened to go to the clubs and FLGS' they play at?

>>51649512
I'm pretty confident the people you're talking about play with friends or in their own small communities.

>>51649512
>Basically I guess I'm asking, where are all the historical and small scale wargamers which apparently there's a market for but which I've never encountered?
over at /hwg/

Seriously though, it's the better place to ask I guess.
Typically though the kind of game stores that stock 40k, Magic and the like are not the place where you will see historical miniatures or gamers hang out and discuss which shade of green is the right for their uniforms in that particular theatre of war of that particular unit.

You're living in the FLGS bubble.

The thing about historicals is that there are no games that need miniatures from a specific manufacturer. So you don't get two guys standing in front of a rack of merchandise talking about the game they both play.
They buy wherever and from whomever they prefer.

I guess the best place to start looking if you want to get into something like that would be wargaming clubs who specialize in historicals.

Disclaimer: Most of this is conjecture on my part and I could be completely wrong.
I just don't think it's remotely efficient or even possible for most stores to even stock a decent amount of historicals for that experience to be remotely comparable.
Unless you go to the wargames foundry or the newly opened warlord store maybe.

>>51649650
I might pose the same question to /hwg/, but the question applies here to all the people playing Gruntz, Tommorows War, Full Thrust etc

>You're living in the FLGS bubble.
But that's the thing, I've only played at two stores, and then only within the past 12 months. And one of those FLGS has no 40k or fantasy going on, whereas it's been ubiquitous at the 3 clubs I've been to.

Assume Fantasy & 40K are on all of the lists below:
The club in Wales was a student society and played DW, Infinity, Malifaux, Saga, X-Wing and a little bit of Warmahordes Since I've left.I think they've started playing some Flames of War too.
The club in Hertfordshire was Infinity, X-Wing, Warmahordes, Frostgrave, Bushido, Bolt Action and Firestorm Armada.
The FLGS in Hertfordshire was Firestorm Aramda & Dystopian Wars but only because me and a friend brought them, but aside from that it was Malifaux and 40K.
The club in Devon is Infinity, Warmahordes, Star Wars Armada, Warmachine and a little bit of Epic.
The store in Devon is Warahordes and Bolt Action, with no 40K or Fantasy going on at all!
The Bolt Action bunch also have pretty much all of the Spartan Games but don't really play them aside from the odd Firestorm Planetfall game.

>>51649650
Yep, historical players for the most part have their own clubs. They don't like Warhammer/Warmachine crowd for the most part and try to avoid it. Their games also a lot of the time are built around what forces each of the involved sides had on the battlefield instead of point costs.

Things like recreating battle at Thermopylae with utmost care. And so on.

>>51649512
Our club plays almost exclusively 40k - I'm trying to place Bolt Action in the collective conciousness of the group, but can rarely play a game, and mostly with folks who didn't start with 40k as their first game. I'm making a table at home so if anyone want to play historicals, he can just come over to me, we can push some figures around and have fun. I don't really want to play in our club if I don't feel my game is welcomed here and I was asked "why don't you play 40k? It'd be good if there was a game everyone played in the club" - the fact that I have approx. 40-50 armies for various historical periods and other scifi/fantasy games doesn't matter, I HAVE to play 40k as well.

But I digress.

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>>51650033
>I was asked "why don't you play 40k? It'd be good if there was a game everyone played in the club"

Wow, what a terrible person.

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>>51650098
Yeah, but I won't be bullied/guilt tripped into playing it.

At the moment I'm pretty hyped about Terminator Genisys. From reading the rules, it's pretty solid, and the Endoskellies are nice too. Will do some converting with the Resistance soldiers tho.

>>51634086
GMG just did an intro game of Confrontation 3.5:
https://youtu.be/RmAyLePbYGQ

As you watch, you can see some of the issues the game had.

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Why did nobody mention Critter Kingdoms before? No idea if there's a ruleset but man I love these miniatures, reminds me of Redwall.

>>51645991
Heavy Gear stuff is very VOTOMS but probably doesn't fit your category of cheap.

>>51649955
>Their games also a lot of the time are built around what forces each of the involved sides had on the battlefield instead of point costs.

This is true if you want to recreate a certain battle but for more general play you can be a bit more free. The thing is most proper historicals players have done enough research to know what would be present in a typical army for their time period and are usually experienced enough to design scenarios themselves.

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>>51651148

They're 10-20 USD a single 28mm miniature though which after postage to the UK is ridiculous.

It's a shame how you can't just pick up single metals online without it being like £5 minimum.

>>51649880
As mentioned in other posts, the games you mention have been around for years. They have their own clubs, groups of friends and all attend the trade shows as their scene.

They still view 40k (as that's all sci-fi and fantasy games in one) as an aside to the hobby. Some are abject anoraks who pull you up for getting a colour wrong on your historical skirmish figures, but most just game to have FUN. This is something a lot of 'our' gamers seem to have forgotten, what with waac (GW & Warmahordes) and how everything has to have op kits to support competitive play rather than just releasing new stuff!! I mean even that shitty looking mass crap from FFG, it's not even out yet and rather than push release packs there's already competition support!! Really!!

Been in the hobby longer than you been alive, and I'm happy to be in this part of the hobby. But boy does it just need to chill out and remember it's meant to be fun.

Lucky we are living in the golden age for sci-fi and fantasy gaming. Lots of choices. A return to skirmish games (quicker) many of which allow for any range of models. 15mm has really improved and loving that. Lots of solo games which can pull you away from PC/consoles.

GW will endure as will the historical guys!

>>51649880
Oh and I missed the beginning bit. 15mm like Gruntz and the stuff Jon does at GZG like Fullthrust all are part of the trade show scene. I used to do the southern small shows in the UK and Jon's a great guy and there's a camaraderie between the traders and the attendees that was really nice.

Demo/display games, participation games, traders, bring and buys, etc was all for the fun. Oh and £'s but it wasn't there because a tournament needed running!

>>51651450

I'm Northern (Yorkshire) but where can I find lists of wargaming shows coming up? I've only ever done Games Day when it was at the NEC mid-2000s.

I have promised myself to go to Bring Out Your Lead this year, the Oldhammer weekend at Foundry Miniatures. Need to paint something though.

>>51651577
Not that anon but if you're in Yorkshire you missed Vapnartak which was last weekend.

>>51651604

Fuck, I'm only down the road in Hull. Looked good.

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>>51651604
>>51651642
Would have gone, but unemployment. Who would have thought doing nothing would be so tiring?

There's Airecon coming up in March.

>>51651577
There's ROBIN in Nottingham this weekend.

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>>51650033
Shit i had the same experience at a club except it was the dominated Infinity playerbase there, all four of them.
the the club collapse due to a lack of members, i wonder why?

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>>51651762
>Who would have thought doing nothing would be so tiring?

I know that feel

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>>51651883

I'm with you guys. pic related, >mfw my unemployment runs out

>>51651883
>>51651919
You know what's the fucking worst?
Interview 1:
>You'd be a great fit, but your technicals aren't good enough.
Interview 2:
>Your technicals are great, but you don't fit our company.

I've been holding off on buying a new can of primer because if I have anything to paint, I'll just do that instead of applying to jobs. Hope I'm employed before this Dystopian Wars kickstarter arrives.

Anybody try that Double Tap yet? It has some differences from Infinity which make me wonder how it plays.

Differences such as Reactions only seem to take place if they activate in your line of fire, where in this system that seems to mean start their turn, not just "be" in your line of fire at some point. Also, no templates and a likely smaller scale due to the point-cost of mans.

>>51652001
"Not a good fit" translates into one of two things:
1. "I don't really like you".
2. "I'm worried you're better than I am / someone else who I don't want to replace".
#2 is incredibly hard to do anything about, #1 just takes practice.

>>51645991
Keep an eye on jap model retailers. Sometimes they'll do clearouts of cheap kits and gashapons.

>>51646502
I remember the lists of WW2/Modern armies, they were part of a series of fan-made lists alongside armies based off Warpath, KoW and even cavemen and ancient/classical Persia/Greece.

I'm not sure if they will be added back unless the guys who made those lists decide to update them and submit the updated versions to One Page Anon.

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So the Trident Realms for Kings of War are getting some new models and Mantic released some new pictures of them painted up.

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>>51654020

Searching around for free rules to use if I get some 15mm sci-fi stuff and found Fast and Dirty which seems perfect for what I'm looking for. Shooting has me a bit puzzled though. So with infantry you roll two d6 and take the highest. Assume there's no modifiers at all and an infantry squad is firing at a non concealed infantry squad. The roll comes up with the highest being a 6. As I need 3 points to hit a model, and I rolled a 6, do I score 6 points and hit 2 models?

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>>51654036

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>>51653468
Does he have the maths for stuff anywhere? I remember Warstuff exposed some of the math, but that doesn't exist anymore, and it might differ for the other games. And it of course doesn't work anymore considering Def is a stat now.

>>51654036
I really like these, though I read that in fluff they are mutant halflings? Would be a bit disappointed if they turned out to be halfling sized.
Frogmen are kinda cool too, but I don't really have a need for them so I'll probably have to pass.

>>51636482
This is a fantastic project right here, thanks for sharing anon.

It does seem though that the suggested games points values are odd. 500 points for a grimdark future game, but the all lascannons predator equivelant is 480 points.

>>51654128
I'm not sure, I don't think I took a look into that part.

>>51652001
My wife applied for jobs in her field for almost two long years, which absolutely did her head in as a work-focused Chinese, before finally being given 3 job offers within a week. life is funny like that.

>>51651874
Am i the only one who played Infinity with friendly, well adjusted adults who weren't in it for the anime or t&a?

>>51655364
>well adjusted
>not into T&A

More like "well-suppressed"

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>>51654212
I don't if they're actually mutant halflings, rather people just describe them as looking like a cross between a halfling and a squid.

I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make them into Inklings.

Either way, here's a shot of them with other models from the Trident Realms. For the sake of scale, the fish ladies in the back are roughly human sized.

>>51655793
I really liked the renders for the frog guys, but the paint job on them is terrible. Better than Kroak Raiders I guess.
It is funny as they actually put effort into Warpath's fluff and studio paint jobs, but not as much for Kings of War.

>>51655819
'terrible' is being incredibly harsh m8

>>51655793

I really wanna like kings of war but... I dislike those sculpts.

>>51655860
Just use other companies figures. It's what I do. The game was made initially for people to use WHFB models after all, and having an army made entirely out of proxies is entirely tournament legal. The setting is generic to the point where proxying in other figures is easy.

Hey, has anybody tried Kings of War with alternating unit activation? Wondering how it'd go

>>51655850
Is bad a better term then? The green is hard to look at and pretty much monochromatic. They could have shaded much more, highlighted up to something that isn't another shade of green, and painted some patterns on them like actual frogs.

They just look unimpressive compared to the official paintjobs for the Hordes and Pond Wars frog men, even if the Mantic figures actually do beat them out as far as detail and variety goes. It's just not very inspiring way to sell people your figures, especially as they are expensive due to being entirely metal.

>>51655793
Why is the left most naiad on the rightmost regiment not holding a trident and fading into the background? Can they turn invisible in game or is that just a bad shop job?

>>51655976
>mantic literally has just one regiment painted

>>51654020
They have to fucking shot the painter, the greys were a lot better.

>>51656227

Maybe, but I suspect that when the evil Shredder attacks. those garish models won't cut 'im no slack.

Anyone got tips for a new necromunda player? whats a good starting setup for van saar, particularly useful special weapons?

Anyone out there playing This is Not a Test?
I just took a look at the pdf in the trove and it kind of catches my interest. (It doesn't hurt that I grew up in the area it depicts, and the writers are local boys).

Is the pdf we have the final version? Also, what are they thinking charging 24USD for a pdf?

>>51649880
>But that's the thing, I've only played at two stores, and then only within the past 12 months. And one of those FLGS has no 40k or fantasy going on, whereas it's been ubiquitous at the 3 clubs I've been to.
There are often separate clubs for historicals, with surprisingly little overlap with the more general clubs. Clubs can also be terrible at advertising their existence, especially if they just meet at a rented scout hut once a week miles away from any LGS.

>>51649955
>Yep, historical players for the most part have their own clubs. They don't like Warhammer/Warmachine crowd for the most part and try to avoid it. Their games also a lot of the time are built around what forces each of the involved sides had on the battlefield instead of point costs.
Well, except the incredibly prevalent tournament crowd who always seem to be playing FoG or whatever they're on now and practicing for the tournament they're going to next. They play points.

>>51652001
>You know what's the fucking worst?
>Interview 1:
>>You'd be a great fit, but your technicals aren't good enough.
>Interview 2:
>>Your technicals are great, but you don't fit our company.
Try getting a proper hilux and respraying it to match company 2's colour scheme.

>>51655364
Nah, all the places I've played Infinitiy there's been no sperglords. Haters just gonna keep sipping that haterade.

>>51650459
watched the video, and holy shit is this game overly complicated for what it does. it took this guy 30min just to resolve a simple 3v5 combat

>>51652984
I've tried it and it's pretty cool, though I'm not really sure that I like the way you can activate the same model over and over again. Maybe it's just me but it made me feel like the game was a set of 1 on 1 fights instead of a full sized skirmish. I guess this problem applies to Infinity too however and is not just Double Tap?

>>51654441
Check out the 2nd page of rules, it shows how you can play games with 1.500+ points (which is how we play it).

Honestly I'm a big nerd for the onepage stuff and already donated on patreon. :3

>>51658890
I haven't played Double Tap yet but played plenty of Infinity. I feel as though two things might encourage ramboing which are easiliy solved:
1) From the lists I've made, 50 points probably isn't going to be enough to have a decent sized order pool to do anything with aside from with 1 guy. Maybe try upping the points to 75 or 100>
2) Kill everything obejctive. Infinity relies on objectives to mix things up, so I feel like a simple objective grabbing mission for Double Tap would help.

>>51658791
I tried it locally, all i got was kurva. It's not your list my ass, the game is all about list-building.

>>51659143
Do you happen to live in Kurva land?

>>51649512
Where in Hertfordshire? I need someone to play with.

>>51659779
Hemel Hempsted. It's a good bunch of guys (and one gal), meets every Monday and has plenty of different games being played. About 15-20 people turn up every week.

Also Milton Keynes (which I'd forgotten was in Bucks). There's a LGS there I played at a couple of times (Thursdays was wargames night I believe) but it was nowhere near as lively.

>>51659914
I've got some family in Hemel, I'll try and check it out next time I visit. Cheers.

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Just won an auction for a bunch of Flintloque minis. Only cost me about $75 for all of it.

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>>51633995
So, im interested if there are any KoW players here. I ask, because I want to get into it, but I'm a little bit curious on how the faction I chose, Trident realms, looks and plays. Are the mini's any good? And whats their playstyle?

Is the Naiad Patrol anygood?

>>51661950
>Are the mini's any good?

Depends. Some people think they look ok, others think they are super fugly. Don't expect Warhammer quality miniatures.

>>51661950
Can someone say - is Mantic painter guy allergic to drybrushing or other techniques that allow to make minis less flat?

>>51661842
What are they like? I mean, what scale, meterials themes?

>>51661950
The quality of the minis varies a lot. For example Basileans sisters, met at arms and some elfs are horrible. Some are okay but funky, like the dorfs (I like the DF feel they have), other are mostly good (Orcs, Gobs) and other are exellent (Undead). About the Naiads I still didn't find anyone playing them, but they look good.

>>51662422
Well they apparently think off-white and sky blue is a good colour combination.

>>51662510
>What are they like? I mean, what scale, meterials themes

28mm white metal Napoleonique fantasy.

>>51663120
They have some Flintloque stuff that's slightly earlier - one of the new ones is Dogmen in C18 uniforms with tricornes.

Must resist Vargr temptation.

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>>51663120
>Napoleonique fantasy.
I love that shit, post photos

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>>51663278
Can't really post more pics of that stuff as they are still in the mail, but here is some of the more recent stuff.

>>51661950
Haven't seen someone use Naiads in my local area, but so far the minis look well made (better than previos edition minis), and the biggest problem is the presentation by mantic (fuck the paint job).

Naiads have probably the best anvil in the game, with esnare, def 3 (shit) and regeneration 3+ (god like mode). And they also give the benefit to go Force of Nature if you didn't like vanilla Trident Realm.

>>51662993

There's no reason it can't be it's just pretty poorly done.

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>>51657327
>Anyone out there playing This is Not a Test?
Yup.

>Is the pdf we have the final version?
Nope, but most of the changes are incorporated into http://worldsendpublishing.com/frequently-asked-questions-faq-and-errata/
There are also a couple new rules -
Compact: this weapon can still Burst fire after taking a Move action, as long as your second Action is a Shoot action (applies to Machine Pistols and SMGs). [rule from official Facebook page but not in the Errata yet]
Flamers now auto-hit anything covered by the template, and all Large/Huge models. Medium and smaller models >touched< by the template can make an AGI/10 test to evade.

>Also, what are they thinking charging 24USD for a pdf?
Because they didn't have a print edition and it was the only real revenue stream for the company? Hell, I bought it. And I'm a cheap son of a bitch. Not sure the print rulebook is worth it without a discount, though. Frankly I can print my current pdf copy in color and laminate half the pages for that price.

>>51664720
Those are interesting Compact and Flamer rule changes. I approve. My Broiler missing with his flamethrower a bunch has been kind of irritating.

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>>51661950
Their hard plastic stuff is fine, especially the newer ones. They are customizable and have lots of fun options, and the detail is good. The metal stuff is nothing special both value and design wise, though it is likely that you will get some with an army bundle. The restic stuff on the other hand is bad, but I will argue that the general chunkiness of the material works for the ogres. Of course feel free to proxy in figures from other companies. It's not like Mantic makes models for a coral golem or kraken in the first place.

Naiads have a big focus on ensnaring and generally tieing up other models with ensnaring and tough anvils, and having more mobile ones like the river guard go for objectives or generally do whatever.

>>51665012
>The metal stuff is nothing special both value and design wise, though it is likely that you will get some with an army bundle. The restic stuff on the other hand is bad, but I will argue that the general chunkiness of the material works for the ogres.
I disagree - the restic is pretty good, and even if it's hard to clean the mouldlines, it's still a much friendlier material than metal. I got a Loren Chard mini from the Warpath KS and detail on the face was practically nonexistent - also when you get a fuckhuge metal (lion rider hero) that's it's full metal...yeah, that chap was in its bag till I sold my Basileans. Just like the metal angel heroes. I was pretty disappointed with them.

>>51665051
I am mostly talking about my experience with restic when it comes to regular infantry like their mummies. The detail, design, and variety is just really bad. Especially when you put them next to Mantic's own skeletons which are fine, if a bit flatter than their GW equivalents due to simpler assembly. Mantic and Privateer Press stopped making new restic figures for a good reason, and I am happy to pay more for better figures.

I am generally OK with metal because it captures detail well, but I will say that beyond a few Mantic's metals are nothing impressive. You have guys like Corvus Belli who make really good figures that wouldn't be possible with plastic or resin, but with Mantic I would say that plastic would be much more fitting with a lot of their guys.

>>51665140
The best case would be where they use their "boardgame plastic" for miniatures. Worst case is plastic base with metal arms and heads.

>>51665329
Well the board game plastic that Mantic uses at least isn't very good when it comes to detail. I bought the infernal crypts figures, and guys like the Efreet just don't hold up to their metal equivalents. I agree with you about the metal conversion bits though. It is kind of lame that even for basic and simply designed troops like the goblin spearmen you need to use them. Hopefully when Mantic gets around to Kickstarting more plastic armies they do something about that.

>>51661950
Looks like you already got some good replies but I feel like declaring there's another Kings of War player here lol. Kow generals never last and it feels loke nobody outside my circle plays sometimes lol.

I really dont think the model quality is too bad, the sculpts do vary in quality though and the aesthetic is unpopular with some, but i actually like it quite a bit.

>>51665881
I swear to fuck this "only the company's miniatures can be used for the game" shit will be the death of me. You don't have to use Mantic's minis for KoW. You can use anything. It's about the rules, not the minis.

>>51665934
Yeah i know, thats how i play lol. Nobody in my circle has an army composed of models from one manufacturer.

>>51665381
Actually I've been lucky to get hold of their newer PVC/restic they used on the N7-117 and Blaine on a Jetbike they had as kickstarter exclusive. Night and day difference with the old formula. Crisp details and minimal mould lines. Still works with hot water ( prongs on the Jetbike needed flattening)

I've got lots of old PVC enforcers and, even ignoring the mould lines, some areas are more detailed than the plastic.

I've also got the metal enforcers Warpath figure, the new PVC N7-117 is much nicer, more detailed everything is better.

BUT, I understand that the PVC moulds cost more than the in house metals, still a lot cheaper than hard plastic, Mantic have a new in house resin casting area. So hopefully that means the death of shitty metals. If Prodos could hand cast in the UK before going over to the Polish factory then this can only be good for Mantic. Cheaper than sending to China for the PVC. Good times!!

>>51666954
>the death of shitty metals
Most of their new releases are metal. That's the reason I don't really buy anything from them.

>>51666954
Oh and just to clarify: premium plastic, boardgame plastic and restic (resin- plastic names combined) all = PVC of varying formulas. From the lower detail Mars Attacks, to the original enforcers, to the newer Dreadball stuff, the mentioned Dreadzone Characters and many other companies use it eg SteamForged Guildball and Dark Souls being of the high end PVCs

>>51666980
Yes but the resin system was only installed a couple of weeks ago so give them a chance to release stuff

>>51667008
>Dark Souls
>High end PVC
If that is what "High end" PVC is then I shudder to think of what the regular PVC figures are like.

>>51655860

KoW has the world's most cancerous player base. It's all the spergs from Warhammer who left that game and now want to make KoW exactly like WHFB so they don't have to buy the models.

>>51667281
but they have 9th age for that

>>51667281
But that's the exact opposite of the fanbase in my area. It's people who are sick to death of Warhmamer and want something completely different, rules-wise, but with a similar theme.

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>>51667281
>It's all the spergs from Warhammer who left that game and now want to make KoW exactly like WHFB so they don't have to buy the models.

That doesn't even make sense. Why wouldn't they just keep playing WFB or 9th Age if that were the case?

Besides, I like pretty multibases.

>>51667569
I don't know wargamers tend to get autistcally obsessed with one game

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>>51667459
That's some nice ship. As I'm waiting on Shattered Void I think I won't need more spaceships with that kind of aesthetic soon.

Thinking of, did anybody else back Shattered Void? Which factions did you go for? The Earth Exploration Fleet Gunships are dandy.

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Still no pdf for Beyond the gate of Antares?

I'd not really payed it any attention but then I spied these dudes with big drills and they look pretty cool, the whole Boromite range is pretty neat especially when everyone faction is just generic guys in power armour.

Maybe I'm just gay for rock hard abs.

The joke is that they are rock men.

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>>51664779
>Those are interesting Compact and Flamer rule changes. I approve.
I proposed giving SMGs and MPs Hail of Lead but taking off Burst, Joey felt that adding a new rule was better.
Oh, and I forgot a change - he bumped the price of ARs up to 20 BS. Everybody agreed they were a little too good for the price, which was part of why SMGs and MPs needed a buff. Plus it felt weird that you could hand a Rag-Tag model an AR right off the bat, so now they get cruder but still effective weapons and fill a slightly different role. Least until you buy off Rag-Tag, anyway.

>My Broiler missing with his flamethrower a bunch has been kind of irritating.
You, me, and everyone else who plays, man.


>>51665140
Yeah, the restic skellies are okay but I've had a lot of problems with other models.

Which heavy gear faction can I spam units with?

>>51636482
>onepagerules
Wonder if one page SAGA is possible

Are there Metro 2033 style models that aren't too expensive? I've got an idea for a This Is Not a Test campaign.

>>51669779
Look up post apoc stuff from lead adventures.

thinking of grabbing a copy of the starship troopers minis game off of noble knight, any thoughts on this?

>>51668499
I think they would be better without the drills.

The cyclops guy is great and I like the leader.

>>51633995
"Space Opera?"

>>51669838
Those Road Guard are damn perfect, but shipping from Europe is a pain in the ass, and their only US distributor doesn't stock the dudes I like.
Fuck.

>>51667700
>I don't know wargamers tend to get autistcally obsessed with one game
To be fair WHFB has been around for about 30 years?
If you've had a personal investment in the game for that long it's understandable that most people would have issues with just letting it go.
Not to mention the money and time you have to sink into an army of the size WHFB necessitated by the end.

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>>51668499
>Still no pdf for Beyond the gate of Antares?
>I'd not really payed it any attention

I'm the guy who was on the fence about buying the Xilos Horizon starter box last thread.
I received my package yesterday.

And I gotta say, words cannot express how hard Warlord sucks at doing a fair job presenting the game.

Anyway, you can get the starter for about half of the regular prize now, if you check amazon.
That means you get the book and for a few bucks more 26 miniatures, command dice, the regular dice and the templates that are in the box.
So even if you just wanted the book - like I did - it's worth the consideration in case you ever want to play it. The templates by themselves cost more than the difference of what I payed for the whole starter as opposed to buying the book by itself.

Anyway the rulebook is exactly as big as the 3rd edition 40k rulebook. Makes a really solid impression.

And the minis are really nice. They are truescale like the perry stuff, so that's good.

If you are interested in the lore of the factions there is an introductory article on the warlord page and a video with rick priestley on youtube where he explains how everyone fits into the setting.

All in all I'm pleased with my purchase. And looking through the forums and doing a few image searches for inspiration when it comes to colorschemes really drives home the point of how terrible Warlord are at presenting the game.
I mean the images in the store may be okayish for historicals, cause you know what you are buying, but for a sci-fi game it really helps if you can see the models up close. The pictures in the rulebook do a better job at showing the models off.

>>51667700
I never understood this.

Me personally I want to try anything and everything.

>Try bolt action and fell in love with it as a platoon size game and all my close friends play it
>Try warmahordes. Like the system but hate the local community and how competitive and meta it is
>Gonna go try out an infinity demo game next as I dip my toes into a skirmish game
>RPG warband based skirmish game with close group is probably gonna end up being this is not a test
>Still need to sit down and play a game of star wars X-wing
>Still want to try team yankee/drop zone commander as "mass battle" system
>Still wanna try out either kings of war or wait for that rune wars miniature game as my rank and file system
>STILL wanna play heavy hear blitz because ducking awesome mechs.

Nevermind the other systems I wanna try or paint models for. Never got the whole stick to one system shtick people get into. Shit gets stale

Sorry for the blog by the way just venting.

>>51667281
>and now want to make KoW exactly like WHFB so they don't have to buy the models.

KoW is an extremely proxy-friendly game.

Proxying the minis =/= Altering the rules.

>>51672371
Right there with ya. Variety is the spice of life. I don't get people who play one game and basically run the same list over and over until some powergaming fuckwit comes up with something new for everyone to copy.

In other news: did you guys see the unboxing pictures for the Dark Age 2 player set? Shit looks pretty cash, especially the Ice Caste resculpts.

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>>51672371
Different folks get different attitudes about the hobby. Some feel that they've invested enough into the one (possibly universal but probably not) game and don't need anything else. Others like their rulesets to be more specific and want many different game "feelings" while they play. I'm one, so are you.

>Start with Squad Leader
>Chainmail
>Discover Sopwith, Star Wars D6, and Battletech, start writing my own games
>Massive AvalonHill fag for like ten years
>Harpoon
>Warzone
>Warhammer
>Star Blazers Fleet Battles, various other naval sims
>Necromunda
>Mordheim
>Battlefleet Gothic
>FuckGW.jpg
>Trek Wing
>Warmahordes
>Gundam 1/400 and/or SD Generation
>DBM
>TNT
>Frostgrave
And so on. That's not counting the RPGs. I know folks who only play Hordes (for God knows what reason).

>>51667925
I got the Earth guys and the ball-like ships, I'm very hype for it.

>>51667281
People than wanted that moved mostly to 9th age/oldhammer, there is a bit of everything but in general my experience has been nicer than with wh crew.

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>>51633995
There are a bunch of really nice drop pods for 15mm or smaller, but does anybody do more generic stuff in 28mm, that isn't just a carbon copy of the GW drop pods?

>>51669669
Lolwut?
SAGA is already a fairly simple core system with complexity added via the battleboards.

>>51659914
>>51659779
>tfw Northants and looking for a decent group
You guys are just a little too far.

>>51633995
Could you correct "Songs of Blades and Heroes" into "Song of ..." in the next thread. Bothers me every time.

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>>51661842

>>51662122
>>51662422
Yeah, but I think its partially the result of a bad painter rather than overall bad minuatures. Who ever mantic gets to paint there stuff does a lot of flat, cartoony colors, that really dont fit in with a wargame. Im thinking about maybe doing a similar paint scheme, but with a much darker blue, or a dark green, than paired with a more yellowosh white.

>>51662815
>>51665012
>>51665051
>>51665140
I've had some experience with KoW undead, which looked rather good. However, the Naiads are one of their newest armies. Im just curious to see how good their stuff is before I take the plunge, but if they're Restic, I think Ill have to hold off. After trying to deal with Privateers abysmal stuff, I never wanted to touch the stuff again.

>>51663939
So they're really tough, and are cabale of locking down enemies until you move in stuff like the Gigas or the Water Elementals?

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>>51675890
>Yeah, but I think its partially the result of a bad painter rather than overall bad minuatures.
I don't think it's partially. I'd say most of it. While I wouldn't call models top class but they are still pretty good and have enough details.

>>51672371
>>51672555
Too be fair one can also get burned out by the rise and fall of various fantasy games and just wanna stick to the relative stability of GW.

>>51677122
>stick to the relative stability of GW
tell that to the post AoS WHFB fans suffering from wargaming PTSD

>>51677122
>relative stability of GW
>"Hey, here's a new armybook, your current army is shit, buy new OP stuff to stay relevant, also, 'nids ate your home planet and we don't give a shit about bolter bitches."

>>51675890
As was said, none of their new stuff, including the Naiads, are restic. You should be good.

>>51677302
As a WFB fan that started in the mid-90's with 5th edition, seeing the 7th and 8th edition was like having an old, loving relative go senile. AoS might not be good, but it's not as painful.

>>51677863
Would you reccomend 5th edition to someone who started out with 8th?

>>51633995
Can I get sauce on those figures?

>>51678167
Ion Age

>>51677906
I honestly don't know- you have to take nostalgia glasses into account, and the fact that with internet now, it's lot easier to find those broken combos in the winds of magic set. That being said, you had a shitton of combinations to kit out every hero with magic items, and they were the focus on the game in that their presence really mattered. At the same time, it didn't have the monster of the week flavor, as armies were smaller- around 30-50 models I guess, or as few as 20-30 with chaos.

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>>51633995
>80's Sci-Fi Edition.
Hell yeah

>>51679013
Lovely figures

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>>51654036
>>51654103
Do want, holy sheet.

>>51655364
Probably man, I've avoided several different Infinity groups for being spergy anime cheese-finger manchildren.

>>51672555
>all this taste
Aww yeah, anon.

>>51677906
WFB 3E is p gud.

https://theministryofgentlemanlywarfare.wordpress.com/daisho/
Is there a PDF of this game anywhere, even for sale? It seems the only place I can even buy the game at is on northstarfigures and that's £15 for what I can assume is only a dead tree version of the book...which I don't want.

And is it as much a "rebranded clone" of In Her Majesty's Name as it appears to be? They're both by the same guy so I imagine it is, but maybe it differs somehow?

>>51679509
Maybe Osprey? I remember slightly that it popped up in these threads at one point.

>>51679509
>And is it as much a "rebranded clone" of In Her Majesty's Name as it appears to be?
I can't answer that, but In Her Majesty's Name is a direct development of In The Emperor's Name, a 40K skirmish ruleset, so it's not like the rules are purely for Osprey.

I am looking for a non-historical game with model count and size similar to 40k/wmh that is reasonably popular.

>>51679862
>Reasonably popular
If you are looking for something that is 28-32mm you are out of luck. Maybe see if people are playing Warpath nearby.

>>51679897
Isnt this the gold standard though? There must some more contenders. Seems like everybody is playing skirmishes today but I just want my fantasy toy soldier simulator.

>>51680039
You can always play at a smaller scale. Dropzone Commander is pretty fun.

>>51680039
There is Kings of War as well. If you are lucky you will find people playing it.

>>51679897
>>51680552
I thought that mantic games arent as much as unpopular but just dont have a strong brand identity. They feel somewhat lacking in personality department and nobody treats them as real games, more like systems you can foold around in.

>>51680584
Well they are less popular than WMH or 40K, but you are right. You can find some people playing them, they are far less obscure than most games.

>>51680584
>nobody treats them as real games, more like systems you can fool around in.
as far as comparisons to WHFB go, it's pretty much the opposite. It's a much tighter, balanced game which works great in tournaments. It just lacks the 30+ years of worldbuilding and some of the more ridiculous fully effects.

>>51680687
The worldbuilding is thankfully on the up. They have done a lot for Warpath already, and the new KoW book is full of fluff by popular request.

>>51681109
I'm pretty okay with minimal fluff, personally. Writing my own fluff is something I can do easily and enjoy it, but writing tight rules is much harder.
I play with some friends and we play armies based off factions in the world we run roleplaying games in.

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Pictures of new Dystopian Wars models IRL from someone on the SG forums.

Looks pretty damn nice, really.

>>51679862
Dunno about popular but Tomorrow's War is p cool

>>51681443
Yawn.

Give it week for the ADHD to kick back in, then it'll be the next best thing! This has all happened before, it'll all happen again

>>51681547
>Give it week for the ADHD to kick back in, then it'll be the next best thing! This has all happened before, it'll all happen again
>This has all happened before, it'll all happen again
I'm sure they can support Firestorm Armada, Halo Fleet Battles, Dystopian Voidfarers, and a new Battlestar Galactica licensed game at the same time.

>>51662422
>drybrushing is a good technique
8^)

>>51677906
6th edition.

I also got into WHFB with the 5th edition boxed set, and 6th just slays it with its focus on tactics over unstoppable killer heroes.

>>51682331

It is when used properly.

>>51682844
Also known as Warhamer Ancient Battles with occasional dragon and mage.

>>51654103
>>51654082
>>51654020
>>51654036

Awesome. Seriously considering starting KoW now. kek.

Thanks anon, I thought KoW was just something you used to play with old WHFB minis. Didn't even realize it has unique factions.

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>>51684121
The unique factions are all pretty fun, especially with the your dudes aspect and very proxy friendly nature of the thing. As someone who is primarily a painter/modeller, I like being able to choose which figures I want, andbeing able to use multibasing to make dioramas.

>>51682978
You say that like its a bad thing.

Nothing beats taking your army of French knights and charging Orcs or Chaos worshippers with them.

>>51687559
Calling them croissants while doing so.

Anyone know of some capital ship battle games? Feel like it's an itch that needs to be scratched for me and I wanna scope out what's on the market.

All I'm really looking for is good models and something that feels brutal when I play it.

>>51688028
Full thrust is a generica than is well considered. Then you have Firestorm Armada, cool minis but it's Spartan games.
And then you have x-wing armada.

What happened to asterians and marauders in the new edition of warpath?

>>51688326
I don't know much about the previous editions, but I do know the Marauders got rolled up into the GCPS list.

>>51688326
Do you mean fluff-wise, or what?

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>>51669669
they actually used to have a one page saga system up, check it out (attacjed)

>>51689805
Hmm.
This doesn't have any of the fancy dice/"saga abilities" stuff. It does have fatigue and the 4 classes.

I suppose it's labeled version 0.1 and adding all the other dice stuff gets a bit out of their design.

>>51689657
They dont seem to have rules in warpath but they used to. Same seems to happen to some models in different fractions, like dwarf solos.

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>>51690117
I'm pretty sure Asterians and Marauders are in the latest version of Warpath. They're also in Firefight.
What are you looking at?

>>51689805
>>51689887

Well, shit - that's easy:

At the beginning of the turn, each player gets 1 funky dice per each (still alive) Hero & (4 - 12 figure) Unit & rolls them:

1-3 = Movement bonus: 1 more Action with no Fatigue gain OR remove 1d3 already gained Fatigue
4-5 = Defence bonus: Unit/Hero re-rolls all failed blocks once
6 = Attack bonus: Unit/Hero re-rolls all failed hits once.

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>>51684306

What kind of size force do I need Miniatures wise?

I know a unit of 20 wounds doesn't actually have to have 20 models, but is there an accepted minimum?

I have a few old plastic Goblins and Orcs from stuff like Heroquest and Battle Masters and might make a small army.

>>51690314
A unit does not have 20 wounds, it has a moral value - it can accumulate wounds till eternity as long as it rolls good or borderline impossibly on their morale. When you gotta roll for it, you add the number of wounds to the rolled value, if it's more than the second, unit routs, if it's between the two, it wavers.

As for the number, you'll need half of the minis+1 at least, this is the general tourney rule, but works well for friendly games as well.

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>>51690314
Take a look at the unit's footprint and see how many figs it'd take to fill it to maximum, then subtract a bit to allow some room around the edges, then thin it out further or replace figures with other elements if you like.

Also, get yourself a few bags of the em4 plastic orcs and shields. The prices have gone up, but it's still only £7.70 for 50 figs and £1.02 for 50 shields.

I like the dwarves myself.

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>>51690433
See, super-cheap models can look good without conversion, and they're really easy to convert.

>>51690314
>but is there an accepted minimum?
50%+1 is the tournament minimum, I believe.
The amount of models each unit is "expected" (or can have at most) to have differs on the unit type and unit size. A regiment of troops is listed as "Regiment (20)" so you'll need 11-20 models for that Regiment.

>>51690443
Being brazillian is suffering, even these models will be expensive to get down here, will take three or four months to finally appear around my house, and half of them will be broken.

>>51691272
>and half of them will be broken.
That's a thing I wouldn't be worried about.

>>51691272
welp.

What're metal prices like? Could always buy some moulds, I guess, I know Prince August sell them.

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>>51688028

I've just started getting into Firestorm Armada. The ships are a lot bigger (in general) than I had feared.

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I picked up a starter set, but I was wondering what you all thought about Gates of Antares?

>>51691978
>white armor on pink rocks
Can you scream "SHOOT ME!" any louder?

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>>51691597
They are easy to repair? Because our shipping service seems to be handled by actual orks.

>>51691734
For metal, I would actually go the local brand instead of molding myself. Sadly they seem to have stopped production or taken into a halt.

It was a bit simple, the metal looked a bit porous, but was a start. the prices were average but affordable. I bet they wuld get it better if they had money to get offshore.

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>>51691998

Its Sci-fi. Rules do not need to apply.

More seriously I was considering some backstory reasons for it, I just liked the way it looked.

>>51691965
Dan,g they look bigger than I tought.
How is the game like? It is fast?

>>51692051
>I just liked the way it looked.
Same, friend. But slap some bright green vegetation or some other colour on those rocks, for contrast. Just a few bits. You've got some white, but you want something else as well, I think.

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>>51692110

I've only played once but it was pretty fast. It has an exploding D6 mechanic that can get pretty crazy to represent crazy lucky shots or last minute defensive actions. Your mileage (and luck with dice) may vary.

>>51692051
>Its Sci-fi. Rules do not need to apply.
You know the "sci" stands for "science", right?

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>>51692149

Yeah. I'll figure something out. The freaking warlord bases are so small.

>>51692203

Kinda missed the second half of my comment, eh friend?

>>51692203
it's white armor that fictionally sciences itself into not looking as obvious

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>>51692228

Exactly! Its... nano.... camo.... *extensive coughing*

It's grey armour that... works fine, because you're using in it in environments from shiny white spaceships to jungle to pink rocks to nightclubs.

It's not optimal, but fuck it, not everything has to be camo. Maybe they regularly fight other aliens who track more on movement than visual camo, or are super-good or super-bad at seeing through regular designs, or who knows?

They're good and fine, and a hell of a lot better-fitting to most SF aesthetics than generic camo.

>>51692347
Is there a lamp right over them ? Cause it looks like it.

>>51692415

Yeah, exactly. And yeah, its gradiants of grey up to a white high light!

>>51692417

Indeed. I'm still learning the ways of the picture taking.

>>51692445
I had a table lamp once. It melted its own mount. And that mount was made of really hard plastic.

>>51692445
>Yeah, exactly. And yeah, its gradiants of grey up to a white high light!
A lot of people always paint miniatures brighter than the real shade anyway, especially in smaller scales.

>>51692013
They're damage resistant.

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>>51692195

I do have one question for you guys- should I go brighter on the yellow for the symbol, or keep it a little more muted?

>>51691978
>I picked up a starter set, but I was wondering what you all thought about Gates of Antares?
Just picked up a starter myself.
Haven't gotten around to reading the book yet.
Looking forward to it though.

So far Ghar and Freeborn tickle my fancy.

What is the turn sequence/order in Gates of Antares?

>>51638460
>some Keltoi bitches humping their swords
I have a few, and can honestly say they are not very good minis. Most of the Confrontation line is great, but every time they went for the waif warrior girl thing the results were either ugly or badly engineered. Whoever was making the production parts decisions was a raging ass and/or retard.

>>51692795
activation is done via command dice as in bolt action.
Apart from that the game is quite different from Bolt Action I'm told.

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>>51672925
Check out the MDF pods from CNC Workshop. Their oldest one (in the "Bunkers" area of the store) is very GW, but the newer one turns it up a bit.

>>51692795
For each unit in your force you put an order die into a cup/bag/whatever and then each turn someone draws one of the dice. If it's your color you pick a unit to activate, if it's the opponent's they puck a unit. The orders on the dice are what units can do during their activation.

So you may get three activations in a row, or you may get skipped a few times.

>>51692550
I like it muted, it blends better with the colours. But a very bright yellow could we awesome to give it more life.

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>>51691978
I've tried antares but didn't like it desu, it's just bolt action in space. Right now I'm all hyped up about grimdark future, and I've actually been thinking about picking up the antares starte set to play it.

Check it out: >>51636482

>>51692730

Ordered the rule book because it's £15 on buysend, the rock dudes look pretty cool.

>>51694203
Bolt Action is just 40k in WW2.

Its like a cycle.

I am reading K47, does anybody else find it redundant to have both the tough and resilient special rules?

>>51694633
You haven't played 40k nor BA if you say this.

Antares is BA in space because the same company built on the same ruleset.

>>51694888
Are you really denying that BA was based on 40k 3E?

>>51694888
all three games were written by rick priestley.

not too surprising there are similarities.

>>51636482

Cool, another nice skirmish game that I'll make lists and warbands for and never get to play. That'll make it like 10 different game systems that I've collected for.
Would be cool to get to try out gaming every once in a while but oh well.

>>51695987
You're not alone my friend. Hinterlands, Malifaux, Infinity and many others remain in my display cabinet having not once rolled a die in anger.

>>51692110
I really like Firestorm Armada, it's a very streamlined set of rules (especially by Spartan standards) with a massive range of great models. Plus y'know, free rules pdfs are always nice.
Spartan games I find people go all over the place with playing time. I generally take about 3-4 hours for a 800 point game (think 4-5 squadrons) but I know some people who'd rip through an 800 point game in less than 2 hours.

>>51694876
No?

Tough is an armour save.
Resilient is an increased damage value.
If a Veteran model has Tough you wound on a 5+, then the model gets a 5+ save if it's wounded.
If a Veteran model has Resilient you wound on a 6+.
If a Veteran model has Tough and Resilient you wound on a 6+ and then the model gets a 5+ save if it's wounded.
Having Tough and Resilient is a super-tanky combo.

>>51690433
I finally pulled the trigger on 150 dwarves and some 40x40mm and 40x20mm bases; gonna use them for KoW, plus any other fantasy ruleset I can find. It's going to be a way to cheaply get back into the hobby as I haven't painted or done any wargaming for years now.

I'm probably just going to paint them simple and wash, but we'll see how things go. I'll also keep an eye out on ebay for some old metal miniatures and such to give them some character, plus for leaders and convert the rest.

>>51633995

The Dark Osprey link in the pastebin is dead.

Anyone know of some good rank and file mini games? I know there's kings of war but I don't really like the minis.

Anyone know some alternative companies that offer full ranges?

>>51699649
The only ones with their own ranges are KoW and WHFB IIRC. For rulesets alone Hordes of the Things is brilliant.

>>51690597
>50%+1 is the tournament minimum, I believe.
Not neccesarily- the maximum of the previous size, +1. Which is effectively 50%+1, except for in the case of legions (60 figures) it's 41, because Hordes are 40.

>>51699809
Goddamn legions ruining everything.
But yeah, that's more accurate.

>>51699649
MoM miniatures and Avatars of War both make some very cool regiments, though iirc not complete ranges.
also you'd think people here in /awg/ of all places wouldn't be so beholden to the idea that minis and rules are somehow inseperable, play whatever game you'd like with whatever minis you like

What are some skirmish/man-to-man-scale wargames that have combat between 2 units as something more beyond normal rolling dice at each other?

Like examples are Ronin, Bushido (I think), CROM, Confrontation all (sort of) having a sort of managed dice pool (dictated by something like your melee skill) where every turn you say how many dice you want to dedicate towards offense or defence, and then you do some fighting. This all gives everybody involved in the combat choices ("how much do I dedicate to offense? defence?") to make beyond merely running up to a guy and rolling 2d6+Melee vs DEF to see if you hit. It's kinda cool, but I wanna know if there's other ideas in this area.

Stuff like Saga where it's a group of men that can use a special die or not aren't quite what I mean here, as those dice are not part of the unit itself; those are more of ...factors/resources for the entire side.

>>51700154

Two Hour Wargames' By Savvy and Steel (17th century Three Musketeers type thing) has a detailed dueling system in it. I've not played it but I saw it when skimming the book earlier today.

So is Wargods of Aegyptus dead?

>>51700614
Activation mechanics are dying, and they're probably the only interesting things to happen in rulesets that aren't SPECIAL RULES

>>51701314
Wait, what?

Is this a ded thred joke

>>51701314
I know nothing about the rules, just the models and how there hasn't been word from them since they did their KS.

>>51701345
They released a good chunk of their KS promised minis, waiting on Corinth and the book.
>>51700614
Functionally sadly, but damn do I still love the ruleset, but it is very unlikely to actually ever get any popularity outside of a select few and historical crossovers.

>>51702006
Know where to find a copy of the rules? I don't think the trove has it.

>>51690158
Where can I download the epub or pdf of the latest Warpath rule book?

Which 28mm wargame, outside of 40K and WMH, has the biggest range of models and factions?

>>51703030
All the historicals. They're a way bigger market than fantasy and sci-fi.
After that probably AoS, then Gates of Antares and then comes everybody else.

>>51703030
Bolt action, antares, wrath of kings I think is 28mm, kings of war. Too tired to think of anything else at the moment anon.

>>51703138
>>51703134
I am not really interested in historicals. Wrath of Kings and Antares have a limited range but Antares seems to be pushing out new models fast. I will look into it.

>>51703244
You are comparing them to the two biggest games on the market.
And GW has had 30 years to build that range. You will not find any other games with 20 factions and several dozen models for each one. I mean GW still sells models today they first made 20 years ago.

Warlord is in a position to make Antares similarly big, but for now they have 6 factions, 7 if you count Ghar renegades.
These are supported with plastic kits. That is something most smaller companies can't even afford.

If you are looking for a game as big as the GW stuff you won't have any luck I'm afraid.
As I said, Antares really is the next best thing since they've got the financial security to build it up to that point and they are working pretty fast on that front too atm.

>>51699649
>>51699649
If money is not an issue, Scibor has a full dwarf range and a decent chaos dwarf range and lead adventure has a whfb empire. Then there is a bunch of old school stuff like warmonger and brigade games celtos (barbarians, elves, undead and lizard/orc kind of things), shieldwolf has a box of plastic savage orcs and r&f skeletons and barbarians (only the orcs are plastic afaik), crocodile games has a mix of egyptian fantasy stuff and westwind still sold the dwarf wars range the last time I checked. Except for shieldwolf these are all expensive options for r&f though. You can go cheaper with mirliton (25mm),reaper and obviously mantic AND ebay used whfb stuff.
Ruleswise go kow or 9th/8th whfb (or whatever your local scene plays).
If you plan on buying two armies or playing in a group, think about going for a smaller scale 15/10/6mm are all possible.
Also you can do whfbs old bretonnia in 28mm with historicals from fireforge and there are 2 spanish companies that offer dirt cheap r&f in 28mm resin

>>51703472
Is wmh really one of the two biggest games on the market though? It has been going for a while but it seems that it is bleeding its playerbase fast.

>>51703634
Sfsik they fucked up with the new edition last year, but it's still one of the biggest.

>>51700614
>is, waiting on Corinth and the book.
>>>51700614

I just bought an Amazon Warband. Here's hoping that they'll release Olympus one day.

>>51703697
What else classifies as big then?

>>51698617
Post your results, please.

>>51704543
X-wing has the biggest playerbase at the moment.

>>51705577
You have got to be kidding me. X-wing isnt even a wargame.

>>51706345
What the fuck else is it then?
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

>>51706360
Boardgame or collectible miniatures game like the old SW and DnD game.

>>51702965

WP sourcebook
https://mega.nz/#!zV0jBQqS!ywnihn_iMmweC29K72pUh7qovL226NUYRY-QRiNumnw

Warpath rulebook
https://mega.nz/#!KZNgyTrJ!ssBraBjwOUNJSuSBACV2TdELdJlTj5dyjAj21H5OWWM

FF rulebook
https://mega.nz/#!WdUxzRQb!Pdd0VncukXw7uIB9mOzR1gU9EiEVh2jAwOaQu0mS1eQ

The guy that provided these links said he'd appreciate it if anybody who DL'd them would provide a batrep or something if they play it (and also maybe buy it if you like it).

>>51706410
Do you hold a similar opinion for Chess and Go?

>>51706494
wat

>>51706410

You're an idiot.

>>51707322
If you say so...

>>51703030
I mean, Flintloque has a bunch.

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Hey, this might be a bit of a long shot, but does anybody have some of the Antares humans and the Warlord Celtic Warriors or the Frostgrave Barbarians?

I'm considering kitbashing the 20 Concord troops from the starter with either of those kits to make some feral Mhagris as start of an Freeborn force. I'm not sure if the kits will match up in terms of scale. I'm a bit more worried about the Frostgrave minis because I assume that at least the scales of the Warlord minis are somewhat consistent internally, but I'd still love to see a size comparison. The Frostgrave minis have nicer heads though, or at least I was able to find decent pictures of them.

We're past bump limit and are on page 9.

New thread!

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