What's the appeal of revolvers? Why are they so much cooler

>>51622460
They're bigger.

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>>51622460
they just work

>>51622460
HIGH NOON

>>51622523
thanks for the input

>>51622460
Reliable given good ammunition.

>>51622460

See revolver ocelots speech about them in mgs1 and 3

They never jam

They are iconic of a specific era and culture

They have the same disadvantages that require skill to overcome and are charming like bolt action rifles vs semi auto, single action vs double action or semi auto, reloading a cylinder vs a magazine

There's a reason all the cool revolver users feature single action hammer fanning and never use revolver moon clips to reload

>>51622460
I don't get one thing, in comics McCree recognize Talon tactics as Blackwatch, but it was secret organization inside Overwatch, was he memeber of Blackwatch?

>>51622460
It's called cultural buildup.
The Wild Wild West was a piece of culture which made cowboys and revolvers seem the coolest.
Hollywood then revived that idea, in strength.
And so it continues.
In reality, revolvers can often be outclassed by most pistols in terms of power, but how cool they are is personal opinion in the end.

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Revolvers, most specifically the Colt - notice how rarely other revolvers are really represented otherwise - were greatly popularized by cowboy movies and shows. The Colt looks good.

They're classic - not as old as flintlocks, but with more of a history than more modern pistols, and they're still feasible to use today and possibly far into the future.

Also, big long barrels.

>>51622460

Romantic connotations with the Old West.

Basically they're the American katana but without the skub.

>>51622460
Reliable; dependable, powerful. What's not to like? Also plenty of stories and films relating to cowboys and the American Old West depict the hero with said gun, so it's got a kind of mythical status as the default weapon of choice for characters in a western.

They give an illusion of old timey simplicity when they're actually more mechanically complex than early semi automatics and were only really kept in service due to cultural inertia after the invention of poudre B and other high quality gunpowders.

>>51622553
Yes, McCree was a Blackwatch operative, trained by Reyes/Reaper himself.

>>51622583
He's also the most gimped hero in the game.

>>51622642
Remember when McCree could destroy tanks with his right click?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6bpSliLcT4

>>51622553

Yes.

Mccree was a criminal member of the notorious Deadlock gang, which got busted by Overwatch in its early days. The mission leader was Gaberial Reyes, the man who would one day become Reaper, who took a shine to young Mccree. See, Reyes was putting together a special task force inside Overwatch called Blackwatch, which did Overwatch's dirty work in the shadows while everyone else played hero in the public eye. The offer was simple: Mccree works for Blackwatch and lends them his talents, and he doesn't go to jail.

Mccree actually saw this as a chance for redemption, the poor bastard, and he was Reyes's protege for years. He thought he was doing good work and finally being a good person.

Eventually, Overwatch gets torn apart from within as Reyes makes his power play, at this point already working for Talon to destroy Overwatch from within. When the lines were drawn in the sand, Mccree chose neither. He wouldn't destroy Overwatch because he actually believed in the mission now, but he wouldn't fight his friend and mentor either. He just... left.

Which leaves him in a real shitty situation now. He is a former criminal whose only voucher for good behavior got shut down and became illegal. No one on the Talon side of thinsg likes him because he didn't join up. No one on the Overwatch side of things can trust him because he was so close to Reyes and he didn't stick around to help. He is a pariah on all sides.

>>51622672
Now he's got a peashooter that can miss enemies by a micron and a worthless ult.

>>51622691
Huh, that's pretty neat lore.

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>>51622672
>all those zoomins and video editing on some of the worst ults I've ever seen
This guy must've been devastated when the nerf went through and he couldn't kill everything in a single right click anymore.

>>51622691
>No one on the Overwatch side of things can trust him
Ana, Mercy?

>>51622460
Simple, there's nothing quite like the feel of sliding a long a hard bullet into a well oiled chamber, awaiting to explore in a great burst at a moment's notice

It's basically one of the same reasons why many people, myself included, Al son like shooting bolt-action rifles

>>51622771
Yes, now only Roadhog kills everything in a single click.

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>>51622460
>cooler than regular handguns
pleb taste, space gun or no gun
in before mateba or chiappa, they're shit

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>>51622795
Manurhins are fine then?

>>51622642

That's not widowmaker.

McCree can actually do okay with his flashbangs. He isn't the tankbuster he used to be, but he does solid damage at decent range and has a couple useful abilities, with an ult that can kill a lot of people if you use it right.

Widowmaker does exactly one thing: reward headshots. Her mobility is okay, but she isn't the only one who can do that. Her poison mine is a fucking joke. Its only useful as a burglar alarm, and since it only covers a specific area its not even a reliable one. And her gun in assault mode is the gentle scratches of a declawed kitten. And her Ultimate provides a team-wide tactical advantage, which only swings things if your team is smart enough/in a good position to take advantage of it. If you were not a good enough shot to make Widow good in the first place, her ult isn't going to help you much.

If you have the scope fully charged and you land headshots, you can kill most non-tank characters. But your body shots and rate of fire are pathetic, so you have a very narrow band between being an uberhax team carrying sniper and a complete deadweight who ends the game with 0 elims. Out of all of the characters in the game, only Widowmaker forces you to play her in exactly one way with enough skill to do great constantly or tells you to go fuck yourself.

And the 'range advantage' of Widowmaker honestly rarely matters. Most levels don't have the wide open spaces that Widow needs to excel, and at those ranges he can easy get gibbed by 'characters with 'weaker' distance. A 76 at extreme range with good accuracy and his missiles can kill a Widowmaker from full health in the time it takes her scope to charge for the next shot. She only has the 'advantage' if she is already scoped in and gets to shoot first, and of course lands a head shot.

>>51622821
good taste but not spacey enough

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>>51622792
>now only Roadhog kills everything in a single click.
>see the Road is going to hook me
>prees Shift
>he is hooking me ones and trying to oneshot
>hearing "Maximum charge!" in headphones

>>51622778

Ana I don't know. She was Jack's right hand, and wasn't a member of Blackwatch. I'm not sure how well she knew McCree beyond reputation, and she was shot in the head by Widowmaker (its how she lost her eye) so she probably isn't a fan of anyone she sees as Talon affiliated.

Mercy is perhaps idealistic enough to give anyone a second chance, but that isn't the same as trusting him or wanting him around.

>>51622460
They inspire the image you posted. The wild west is iconically and classically American, where everyone was free, and you lived by the speed of the trigger. It's a good fantasy to have, and this is compounded by the western movies, comics, and games. Everyone wants to be Clint Eastwood, and the first step is the gun.

If you ever watched the finale of A Fistfull of Dollars, it shows perfectly why the revolver captures the imagination more than any other weapon at that time.

>>51622912
All this talk of revolvers and six-shooters makes me want to run a western game. Live by the gun, die by the gun, all that good stuff.

>>51622746

Overwatch actually has some really nice bits to it. You just don't normally hear about it because of waifus and the fact that the game is a multiplayer brawl instead of a story based campaign.

It would make for a great ongoing comic or cartoon. There is a lot you can do with the setting and characters.

>>51622911
Ana and McCree have pretty friendly interactions in game.

>McCree: It's an honour fightin' by your side, ma'am.
>Ana: Oh, you always were a charmer.

>>51622460
Aesthetics. That's literally it. Tactically there's almost no reason to take a revolver over a handgun if the setting takes place anytime after 1896, wherein the Mauser C96 and the advent of semi-automatic handguns became widely available.

>>51622691
This seems mostly like speculation. I don't think there's been any confirmation about Reyes working for Talon besides Chu being a dipshit and saying the Reaper codename had been around since before OW closed.

>>51622945

Huh. I stand corrected, then.

>>51622792
Two clicks minimum actually.

>>51622672

jesus not only the damage but the disgusting lack of fall off. Repeatedly killing people from beyond medium range with it.

>>51622924
I've played one before. Not literally a western, but the setting had many of the themes. We had spell slinging bandits and shit like that. I don't remember much, since I had to drop out fairly early on, but I was really interested.

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>>51622460
i love revolver rifles

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>>51622964
Yeah, there hasn't really been any confirmation of him working for Talon prior to going after Morrison, and most just attribute his attempt at a power play to being the fall-guy with the public and also being the one who wasn't given the full Overwatch Commander status, which Morrison- who was actually beneath him during the Omnic Crisis- got.

He's definitely working for Talon now that he's full-edgelord Reaper, as this has been confirmed in comics and video shorts.

>>51623025
Obviously, though even then he seems to be more of a contractor that works closely with them. Rather than a straight up employee/property like Widowmaker.

Revolvers make a great survival side arm. If I were alone in the wilderness for an extended amount of time, I would want a revolver. Simplicity and reliability are a must in that situation. For self defense, I have a CCW permit, I would not trade my Taurus 9mm with it's double stack magazine for anything else.

>>51622691
>The offer was simple: Mccree works for Blackwatch and lends them his talents, and he doesn't go to jail.
Not exactly, he became member of Blackwatch later, in comics he and Reyes celebrating Halloween with the rest of Overwatch

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exotic weapon thread

>>51623056
> Reyes having fun
Probably non-canon.

>>51622911
Mercy isn't even idealistic enough to give Overwatch a second chance.

>>51623056

At the time, Blackwatch was still part of Overwatch. I'm sure they got invited to office parties.

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>>51623052
Yeah- he and Sombra seem to be just mercenaries whose goals are achievable with some help from Talon. Mostly the revenge part for Reaper. Sombra's end-goal is weird and uncertain.

Also, Doomfist when?

>>51623084
Fuck yeah. An evil omnic would be the shit. Especially if he is just a regular bad guy in it to make cash.

>>51623083
>>51623056
Considering that there is a group pic of the overwatch crew during the glory days, in which both McCree and Reyes are wearing their blackwatch gear, it can be assumed that inside of the headquarters that everyone was cool.

>>51623053
Revolvers are actually not simple. You basically need to be a watchmaker to figure out the damn mechanisms if they break.

>>51623052

I'm not so sure about that.

The lore on him that calls him a mercenary is written from the perspective of someone who doesn't know who he really works for. They attribute him showing up all over the world to him working a bunch of jobs for different employers in different battles, rather than serving a single organization with global reach.

Like, that blurb doesn't even own up to him being Reyes, and only hints at him having a grudge with Overwatch in specific.

Hardly reliable info.

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>>51623103
I wish. We need more Omnic characters, I'm tired of Mahatma Gandhi v2.0 and 'Nam Flashback-atron.

I want one who likes fighting.

>>51623103
But anon, all omnics are evil.

>>51623131
>>51623160
WE DINDU BEEP BOO

>>51623131
>That fucking spy in the background

I just really like the idea of a literal race traitor as a bad guy. Someone willing to sell out their entire species because it will make them bank. That seems like a really compelling douchebag to me.

>>51623131
If I remember correctly zenyatta was a lot more aggressive than mondata. His brothers death helped mellow him out

>>51623164
Well, he was aggressive in that he literally just wanted to go beat up bad guys, not wanted to go light a fire in a trash can and stick up a liquor store.

I really like the way that Overwatch approached the whole AI thing

>Ultra-high-tech robots are made
>Gain sentience
>Go apeshit over being made to serve
>Humans send in the superhumans to fix things
>Don't even properly win, just kill enough shit to get some Omnics (the monks and some shut down omniums) to sign a peace treaty

Also I want to know what Australia looks like now. I also want to know if everyone who belongs to the Junkers has a name like Roadhog and Junkrat, where it's basically a megaman x/metal gear solid naming convention

>>51623131
Wait, wasn't a couple of Los Muertos thugs beating the shit out of a Omnic in the 76 trailer? What would an Omnic even have to do to join a gang that openly hates and targets Omnics specifically?

>>51623203
You gotta be the baddest motherfucker in the room. How much damage do you think an Omnic could do if he decided to not be a bitch?

>>51623203
Beat the shit out of enough of the gang members?

>>51623203
Los Muertos kick your ass! Los Muertos kick your face!

>>51623200
Actually, they created hyper-intelligent super-AIs to make and control the dumber regular ones but they went rogue. So then they killed/contained the super-AIs and the regular ones were left. Turns out they're basically just people.

>>51623203
Be hard as fuck and live in a neighbourhood where people care less. I'm sure the people actually in charge of Los Meurtos don't give a fuck so long as you sell their drugs and send back their cut.

>>51622558
>In reality, revolvers can often be outclassed by most pistols in terms of power
Other way around. Revolvers can be made to hold much more powerful rounds than semi auto pistols. They just get outclassed in terms of magazine capacity, width of profile and ease of reloading.

>>51623275
Also, stopping power is basically a meme so you don't need a huge ass 45-70 or even really a 45.

>>51623293
Beyond stopping power being a myth, .45 is a dinky little round compared to any magnum, basically anyone who puts them into a different category than 9mm or .40 is either uninformed or an idiot.

>>51622460
People like revolvers because of how they look and the romanticized feel about them. Everything most people know about revolvers is a meme. Semi-automatics are almost always superior to revolvers in almost every situation.

>>51623293
You do when you're in grizzly country and don't want to carry around a shotgun.

>>51623491
By the math used to prove stoppan powah, throwing a baseball should have about as much stoppan powah as getting hit by a full power rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQs7Wonu9NI

>>51623616
OOh nice. That guy's channel is my fetish.

>>51623515
Larger calibers for larger creatures is actually more about adequate penetration than stopping power.

>throwing a baseball should have about as much stoppan powah as getting hit by a full power rifle
topkek

>>51623515
As far as I know, getting hit by a baseball thrown by an MLB pitcher would actually kill you if it hit you in the head.

>>51622460
Because anyone who doesn't like revolvers has forgotten the face of their father.

>>51623720
It'd kill you if it hit the right spots on your chest too. They wear helmets for a reason.

>>51622558
In everday speech, we just call it "The WILD West", not "The Wild Wild West".

The Wild Wild West is a movie, not an era.

>people talking about how you don't need stopping power
All you fucks petitioning for smaller and easier to kill guns are going to be FUCKED with the superbugs show up and you need to kill them with inches wide slugs of metal and pilebunkers.

>>51622460
Reliability. Old-school revolvers are very hardy.
Power. Because it doesn't use any gas to push back a slide and chamber another round, you get a little more power.

>>51623720
https://youtu.be/tRnAXr_CLYk?t=28s
so if a pitch can kill you, the returns gotta be a whole lot worse.

They're just more fun to shoot.

>>51624898
Luckily DARPA has developed anti-dragon weaponry with their MAHEM project.

>>51625043
now can it be put in an oversized revolver?

>>51622460
complete edgelords that can't accept a 15 round semi automatic is 100% more effective than a 6 shooter.

>>51625098
> DARPA mixes project MAHEM with a revolver.
> A revolver that shoots metal that flash heats into molten metal whose velocity shapes it into a spear which then hardens mid -air.

>>51625129
no, see, edgelords like a bunch of disposable shotguns, not six shooters or 15 rounders.

>>51622565
You mean with far more autistic and screaming fandom?

>>51622911

It's not that McCree is untrustworthy, he's burned.

Anyone in the know is pretty sure he's trustworthy; they just can't convince anyone else, which is kinda a big deal if you want to make use of his talents.

>>51623072
It was before the edge suppressants he was given by the medical staff dried up along with Overwatch funding.

>>51623116

If they break.

An well maintained revolver will not fail until it's abused or literally wears out.

Bolt action, Revolver, Spike Bayonet: The trifecta of "You'll break before I do"

>>51623219

The base model doesn't seem to be built particularly high above human specifications.

>>51625351
Reminds me of the Freefall robots. Sure, terraforming robots can take a bounding and move giant slabs of concrete but most are just made of cheap plastic and aluminium that a human could break without tools, not to mention that they lack organic movement abilities.

As for omnics.. sort of depends how much they've made their shell. Can't imagine many decide to buy particularly tough casings unless they live in a rough area. And military grades have GOT to be heavily regulated considering the setting.

>>51622538
This post gave me an aneurysm

t. /k/

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>>51622924
I actually had a campaign that had a bit of westerny themes in it. that was my first experience gming. sadly mid-way the campaign I realized that I don't really like gming as much as I like worldbuilding and coming up with game mechanics, so the campaign kinda fell apart. I had the most fun coming up with these unique loot items for the players

I'm learning programming now so maybe I can put my worldbuilding fantasies into a classic isometric 2d top-down RPG some day

>>51623809
>a movie
Millenial detected.

>>51626057
Back in my day they were called "talkies"

>>51625319
Revolvers are significantly less reliable than bolt actions, although it depends. Modern revolvers are even more overengineered than semiautos.

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>revolver thread
>no one post a ocelot image

>>51622460
They're an iconic symbol of an iconic time in America (the wild west), they fire large bullets and everyone knows big things are manly, and having only a small number of shots compared to a magazine-fed gun means that a proficient shooter has to have good aim and certainty when using it.

tl;dr revolvers are the manliest of handguns

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>Luger-tier


>Everything else

The real reason they're cooler is generations of westerns shaping the cultural sensibilities of the west. And they have bits that spin, so...

>>51622672

Watching this makes me want an All-Mcree Free-for-all game mode.

>>51623118
>Like, that blurb doesn't even own up to him being Reyes

Maybe it's intentional?

It could be some other blackwatch member who really fancied Reyes taking on his mannerisms (and taking a nano-machine shot from TALON for ghost powers). Would be a real neat reveal.

>>51623515
Baseball pitched by a pro actually has almost as much force as a bullet IIRC; bullet is more dangerous because it's all focused into a dense, small area.

>>51622460
well you can do stuff like russian roulette and they are sort of bound up with fate and luck more than just a magazine fed gun. Also they are romaticised by westerns which also gives them a feeling of mysticism. It's also liek a hot rod car, you've got all the components on show so they are more threatening, your opponent literally sees the bullet get loaded into the chamber as the hammer goes back, as does an audience so they are good for tense moments in film and on stage. They also are vintage in a way that other handguns aren't since we associate them with the wild west whereas somethign like an m.911, though old has been used for a century so doesn't seem vintage.

>>51626057
W-what the fuck am I supposed to call it then?

>>51622538
This is the exact opposite of truth, how could you fuck it up so badly? Revolvers aren't actually all that reliable compared to semi-automatics, if anything they're worse BUT in the case of dealing with shitty ammunition they excel.

>>51622565
>thousandfolded katana cuts through anything in a single movement
>true american revolver shoots through the center of a flying coin

>>51622955
>Tactically there's almost no reason to take a revolver over a handgun if the setting takes place anytime after 1896, wherein the Mauser C96 and the advent of semi-automatic handguns became widely available.
What if you needed to kill something so obscenely strong that you just need something like a .454 casull or .500 S&W magnum? They use those guns for bears and shit, good luck getting a reasonably sized semiauto that can handle those cartridges.

>>51622691
A comedic version of how it went down:
http://imgur.com/gallery/MANBB

>>51623131

Yeah, an evil omnic would be cool. Jack the Ripper, Omnic-style could be kinda cool perhaps.

>>51624922
>Power. Because it doesn't use any gas to push back a slide and chamber another round, you get a little more power.
No, what? Revolvers are perceived as more powerful because they're capable of firing more powerful rounds not that it being a revolver makes it innately more powerful.

>>51626733
you've just described the same phenomena though, since revolvers aren't the only pistols capable of firing more powerful rounds. So it's just a perception that means people associate them with power.

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>>51626843
>since revolvers aren't the only pistols capable of firing more powerful rounds.
Past a certain point they are, at least as far as handguns are concerned. Find me a semiautomatic handgun that can fire a .600 nitro express (an elephant gun cartridge), I'll wait.

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>>51626692
I got some of my own

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>>51626918
That's where I got the link.
MGDMT is pretty great.
Mostly just gags, but the story that comes through occasionally is decent as well. And Commander is a great dad.

>>51626872
>muh .500 SW
At this point you carry a rifle that will shoot as hard with ammo a tenth the weight of your penis replacement, you fucking nob

>>51626043
Are you me?

I'll spend hours a day working on a campaign, but drag my feet actually running it and skip npcs/combats for no reason. The best campaigns I've run had the players bullshitting with each other for hours so I didn't actually have to do anything.

>>51626966
I'm just trying to explain to that guy that revolvers can fire more powerful rounds then semiauto pistols, calm down. I'm in total agreement with you about such rounds being largely unnecessary and useful solely for penis replacement guns.

Also I was talking about .600 NE not .500 S&W, a much more powerful round that was developed for hunting elephants rather then for putting in ridiculously huge revolvers, that guy just decided to do that for some reason.

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>>51626872
>>51626966

>>51627056
good luck firing that thing without destroying your wrist

>>51627064
Yeah but imagine what it'll do to the other guy!

>>51627074
The shockwave from the recoil might trip them, or if you're lucky the bullet will fire upwards at an angle where it will fall down on them!

>>51627146
Given the length of that barrel they'd probably have to worry more about the fireball then anything, and that includes the shooter, ESPECIALLY the shooter.

>>51626453
They already have an all-McCree brawl, if that's close enough.

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>>51622460
The legend of the magnum and nostalgia, that's about it.
They've been superseded by semi-autos for decades, so if a man brings a revolver to a gunfight it's gotta be some OP piece of tech to even the odds.

>>51622460
Style, doesn't jam, and the intimidation factor is off the charts.

>>51628957
"Doesn't jam" hasn't been a thing in three decades.

Compared to a modern pistol, revolvers are no more reliable, and if they do jam, they are almost impossible to fix, unlike a modern pistol that can be cleared easily.

>>51622580

Thats an absolute lie. Revolvers are NOT more mechanically complex because they dont require factors such as gas pressure and inertia to make the mechanism operate. While the internal clockwork might seem complex, the machining needed to make a simple single action revolver is far simpler than an early semi-automatic.

If early semi-automatics (I mean early) were so simple to manufacture than how come it was often the reason of too many parts, too complex to manufacture, and too large and bulky that prevented them from being adopted into the military?

Gunpowder technology goes hand in hand, but adds a layer if complexity.

>>51624922

Because it doesn't use gas to push back the slide? What?

You didnt notice the gap between the barrel and cylinder? where do you think that gas goes. Semi-automatics dont magically suck power away because they need pressure to operate.

Revolvers are perceived as more powerful because they hold a larger cartridge without having a large grip. As you probably know. A semi-autos magazine and cartridge size are restricted by the size of the human hand.

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>>51626963
Not funny, but I like it.

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>>51629089
>You didnt notice the gap between the barrel and cylinder?
Most don't have that anymore.

>>51629539
Is that from Walking Dead?

>>51629859
No, it's an overwatch fan comic, I don't read it I just have the one page.

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>>51629089
>A semi-autos magazine and cartridge size are restricted by the size of the human hand.
Not necessarily

>>51622691
I don't think its been confirmed what happened between reyes and morrison, I like to think it was due to a 3rd party manipulating events because reaper being full 100% bitter asshole seems boring.

>>51629573
The one in your picture does. It's name escapes me, but there is a Russian revolver that fires special ammunition where the cylinder moves forward during firing and the neck of the cartridge seals the gap. But I can't think of any revolver that actually eliminates the gap, or even how it'd be possible.

>>51629573
You are incorrect, and all regular revolvers have a cylinder gap. Even if the cylinder is flush with the barrel, that doesn't mean it's a gastight seal.

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>>51629929
Not at all.

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>>51629977
No it doesn't.
Nagant.
With the nagant system or making the surfaces flush.
>>51630091
Even if the cylinder is flush with the barrel, that doesn't mean it's a gastight seal.
Yes it does, otherwise it's not flush.

>>51627056
What would happen if you point blank shot someone with that? Like snuck up behind them, put the gut to their back, and fired?

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>>51630215
There would be a small exit wound and a big ass exit wound.

>>51630232
>small exit
>entrance
A small entrance wound.

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>>51623163
heh

>>51630232
Man, fuck that stepdad. Nigger probably wouldn't even care if his kid had died that.

>>51630411
I don't think I saved the update but the DA dropped the charges and CPS got involved, kid lives with grandpa now.

>>51629859
No that's young pharah asking McCree to tip his hat. (he is standing next to ana, Jack and Reyes) when he does mercy comes up to pharah to shoo him away from McCree. Ages are uncertain but pharah and McCree were young in the old days. That's why people know pharah, because it how you kinda know the kids of your coworkers.

>>51622460
THE RELOAD TIME IS EXILIERATING

>>51626872
>Find me a semiautomatic handgun that can fire a .600 nitro express

That thing's not even double action - it's basically a gigantic Colt Single Action Army.

Instead, why don't you find me some footage of someone discharging all the cylinders of one of these novelty/vanity pistols without a bench rest and hitting the broad side of a barn...You'd be better off cutting down a bolt-action elephant gun to a pistol profile.


The reason all the comedy outsize pistols are revolvers is not because of some inability of other designs to operate - if anything, a semiautomatic cartridge fed pistol would be lighter and therefore more practicable.

The real reason these guns are revolvers is because it's a lot easier and cheaper for a gunsmith to machine the cylinder, hammer and frame to adapt a colt for a stupid rich dude than it is to redesign a more advanced design

They were the birth of serious handgun marksmanship. Cowboys and farmers had these guns and would test their skills against each other in the same way they tested their strength. It was sport.

>>51622460

All these answers and none of them the correct one.

>>They're metal cock and balls that you kill people with.

>>51626963
I don't understand this joke.

>>51623022
you you hate your left arm?

>>51630783
Uphill, in the snow, both ways. Did you not have parents?

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>>51630212
>With the nagant system or making the surfaces flush.
Pic related, this is that pistol. so flush. The cylinder moves forward when the hammer is cocked.

>>Even if the cylinder is flush with the barrel, that doesn't mean it's a gastight seal.
>Yes it does, otherwise it's not flush.
If there's enough play for the cylinder to rotate, there's enough play for gas to escape. If the tolerances were so fine that there was a gas seal, the moment you fired the pistol heat expansion would jam the cylinder, making it unable to rotate until it cooled down again. Heck, you'd have to keep it in a temperature controlled environment.

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>>51630879
>so flush. The cylinder moves forward when the hammer is cocked.
Obviously, and did you miss the part that said with the nagant system OR flush?
>If there's enough play for the cylinder to rotate, there's enough play for gas to escape.
A negligible amount that is not likely to effect ballistics in any significant amount.
>the moment you fired the pistol heat expansion would jam the cylinder, making it unable to rotate until it cooled down again.
That's not how guns work, you would have to repeatedly fire the pistol in a short amount of time to have it get warm, also the cylinder is least likely to increase temperature, the barrel will get hot.

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>>51630879
>>51630992
you can always get real fuckin weird with it

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>>51631057

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>>51622795
Your space gun a shit! A SHIT!

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>>51623022

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>>51630992
my bad on not noticing the OR.

>A negligible amount that is not likely to effect ballistics in any significant amount.
That's not what I said, or what you said. lets look at that again:
>>Even if the cylinder is flush with the barrel, that doesn't mean it's a gastight seal.
>Yes it does, otherwise it's not flush.

But let's ignore that climb down and move on.

>That's not how guns work
Actually, it is. and that's why revolvers have cylinder gaps.If the tolerances were so fine that there was no (or even insignificant) leakage from that gap, they would seize pretty much immediately.
> you would have to repeatedly fire the pistol in a short amount of time to have it get warm
To the touch, maybe.but the heat transfer to the barrel and the inner rim of the chamber is fast enough to be nearly unnoticable - certainly faster than on would normally resight and re-pull the trigger. If the tolerances wer so high as to make a seal, we'd be talking a few atom widths apart. Heck, there'd be electrostatic adhesion and fouling to overcome. It'd probably be jammed before it even indexed if the weapon hadn't been thoroughly cleaned and lubricated.
>also the cylinder is least likely to increase temperature, the barrel will get hot
Doesn't matter which part expands, when both are in contact. Either way, the cylinder jams in this "gapless cylinder" scenario.

But hey, I don't really have a horse in this race. I agree that revolvers are cooler than modern semiautomatics. I just saw someone dispensing katana grade alt-facts and thought some regular facts might be in useful.

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It's just rule of cool. Nobody really uses them seriously anymore.

>>51631541
>they would seize pretty much immediately.
No it wouldn't.
>Heck, there'd be electrostatic adhesion
Which can easily be overcome by standard maintenance.

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>>51630879
>there's enough play for gas to escape

It's fairly easy to design mehcanisms that rock the chambers forward and back as a prelude to chamber rotation - Stechkin had the additional challenge that the seal on the firing chamber had to be tight enough that it would make the integral silencer work and fully dampen the sub-sonic munitions the KGB wanted to near silence - one trick they used was to have the bottommost chamber fire not the top (what looks like an upper barrel is actually an integral laser dot).

But yeah, it's basically beyond a solved problem, just it's often cheaper to make a revolve with a weak or only partial seal, especially as that's easier than using some gas bleed system to avoid overloaded rounds.

>>51622460
Putting long ass magnum rounds into the grip of a semi-automatic pistol makes the grips obscenely long and a lot of those cartridges are rimmed so they're a pain to reliably cycle in a semi-auto.

Revolvers excel at firing really big, powerful rounds. Which is pretty cool imo.

>>51632034
>Nobody really uses them seriously anymore.
You do if you're out innawoods in Alaska, and need something to defend yourself from bears and moose and hippies

>>51626057

Bitch, Wild Wild West was from the fucking 60s, and the film came out in 1999. Remembering a major celebrity vehicle from the last two decades over a TV show from forty years ago does not make someone a millennial.

PLEASE stop speculating wildly about firearms, you guys are killing me

>>51632457
firing from the bottom chamber also supposedly significantly reduces recoil.

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>>51622460

"You can see 'em work."

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>>51622460
>tfw no Soviet space revolver

>>51630212
I wasn't thinking of the Nagant, although that is the same system I was talking about. Still has a cylinder gap, though. You can't create a gas-tight seal without some form of gasket, which is unfeasible for a firearm.

>>51623022
Taurus Circuit Judge owner here. Best purchase I ever made.

>>51632838
>hippies
>dangerous

>>51622795
That's just a gun with its slide back isn't it? Looks shit

>>51623131
>Plot Twist, Reaper isnt' Gabriel.
>Reaper is an Delusional Omnic.

>>51622460
Because they're reliable.

>>51626721
I could imagine a flamethrowering robot supremacist who plays up just how inhumane it is to set fire to people.

>"What's a Geneva convention?"

>"Should have thought of that before you became flammable."

etc

>>51633113
>Soviets name space revolver "Mars"
Those motherfuckers used pencils, too.

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>>51629539
fareeha is my daughteru

>>51631057
Dammit, Germany.

>>51633827
>he wants his area gentrified and smelling like shit
I know what you mean though

>>51626637
At that point you're much better off with a shotgun or rifle. As well as the fact that revolvers that use those calibers aren't reasonably sized either.

>>51634230
REEEEEEEEE THE GENEVA CONVENTION IS THE TREATMENT OF POWS AND CIVILIANS

>>51635708

Given that Overwatch was officially disbanded, wouldn't that mean they are technically civilians now?

>>51635708
The Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons is considered an addendum to the Geneva Convention; it doesn't prohibit flamethrowers though, just incendiary munitions.

Hi, Law of Armed Conflict expert.

>>51635859
I'll never forget talking to a Vietnam vet who, when asked about ear necklaces and such things said: "Geneva who? Does she have a sister?"

>>51622565
>the American katana
do you want to know when I saw you were autistic?

>>51622911
Ana is stated to be the one who taught McCree to shoot, actually. It's an interaction on the PTR with Pharah.
"McCree, where'd you learn to shoot like that?"
"Well, I learned from the best. That'd be your mother."

While it could be McCree making a your-mom joke, he sounds serious when he says it.

>>51636165
Yeah. Most troops get like two-three hours on the Geneva Convention when they're sleep deprived and just want to murder that kid who keeps getting them all KP.

It's only really important to people who do targeting.

>>51634261
that pencil bullshit is a myth, if they actually used pencils the graphite dust would get into circuits and shit and fuck everything up

>>51622993
Also looks like they nerfed the radius on his flashbang pretty significantly since then.

>>51636214
American katana is actually a fairly apt comparison. A heavily romanticized weapon from a previous time period that, while good, isn't necessarily the best at what it's supposed to do.

>>51634261
>>51636460
they used grease pencils, but they were easily smudged. Hence why the US just invented a pen.

>>51636813

IIRC the space pen project actually did create a good amount of STEM jobs and resulted in several new useful technologies for commercial use. Even the Russians started using those pens later on as well.

But it's forever doomed to misinterpretation as a "lol Amerifats are so dumb" joke.

>>51636239
I kind of like the thought of McCree picking up a sniper rifle out of the blue -or knowing him something with a lever action- and shooting well enough to make Widowmaker worried.
Not better, but good enough to be disconcerting.

>>51623084
yfw doomfist has an australian accent and has "sewlf conwfidance!"

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>>51636239

>While it could be McCree making a your-mom joke

"Your mom" jokes feel a little beneath someone like McCree. He seems wittier than that.

Though I do kind of like the idea Pharah is the one everyone just kind of picks on for no reason. She seems like someone who'd make it really easy.

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>tfw listening to western music while playing mcree

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>>51633113

>>51636883
It was also a private company that did it of their own volition, iirc

>>51622560
>THICC

>>51637589

Yeah the guy saw the problems NASA was having and sunk a massive amount of his own money into the project. NASA really liked the idea and the product he made so they bought his pens. A bunch of other agencies and companies also liked the pen so he wound up making quite a bit out of the whole thing.

It's all kind of funny when you consider the pencil myth was basically the exact opposite of the reality.

>>51636963
She's the cold, hardass captain with a secret heart of gold archetype. It doesn't really come across well because in game she's not in any sort of authority position and doesn't have any real work history with anyone.

But her backstory is that she was a regular rank and file soldier who was just damn good at it and after leaving the army joined a security firm, acting as commander of a small elite task force defending one of the big AI places. Honestly of all the characters she and Soldier 76 are actually the most similar.

But yeah, her character doesn't really come across very well in game because it's hard to really make that backstory into dialogue snippets without just making a copy of soldier 76. I hope she gets a cinematic soon. Pharah a cute

>>51637138

I wonder if Mercer will work the line into a Deadlands one-shot one day...

>>51637802

I think "cold and heartless" is a bit off the mark even if it's just an act. Professional and a little humorless definitely. But she does act a little warm around certain team mates, like when she fangirls at Reinhardt. She also comes across as rather literal-minded. Which is why it's so easy to imagine the others razzing her.

Honestly the best comparison I can make is to MCU Captain America.

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>>51622672
And McCreefags think this was balanced.

>>51637966
not heartless, hardass. in the comic she puts the mission before her team's lives because she's literally trying to stop apocalypse scenario from happening. But then she risks her own life to save a teammate because she does have a heart.

For the third time, her character just really doesn't come across well in game because they didn't add any of that hard edge to her. Not like reaper edgy but the harsh tactical mindset of someone who can and will make the choice to sacrifice the few for the many, but will sacrifice herself for the few. In game she's just comes off as an overwatch fangirl with a rocket launcher.

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Gun version of pic related, the fact that you can see everything move as well as the simplicity of the mechanism can be immediately understood.

Some anon a couple week ago wanted to make a Sci-Fi revolver that was functionality different than just a laser pistol with style points.
One suggestion in the thread, stuck with me, a laser revolver would work by spinning four or five different emitters to create a more powerful charge, then fire them in tandem.

So it would initially fire like a faster laser pistol with a slight delay, but works like a machine pistol if you "fan" it.

>>51638267
I like the idea that each "chamber" of the revolver is a generator that charges one shot. However, it takes some time to do so. So while a gun with a single generator could only fire once every few seconds, a revolver configuration allows for higher rate of fire. By the time the cylinder rotates back to the first generator, its ready to fire again.

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>>51638267
Or use a caster gun.

>>51637802
>She's the cold, hardass captain
She doesn't look very cold with Ana, McCree and Rein (her childhood idols)

>>51633982
>>Plot Twist, Reaper isnt' Gabriel.
Nah he was recognized by Ana.

>>51638755
That's what I mean. In her comic she's a hardened military veteran. In game she's way cheerier and almost fangirly at times. In the comic she basically sounds like Soldier 76. Hard, no nonsense, but with just a hint of humor in it so she's not a robot. In the game she's totally different, you don't get the feeling that she's the product of lifelong military conflict including commanding soldiers and losing soldiers, she just sounds like a somewhat cocky chick with a jetpack and some tacticool lingo she heard on /k/

>>51622925
There's also a lot of bad lolwut shit. See also: D'Vas background story.

>>51639159
>In the game she's totally different, you don't get the feeling that she's the product of lifelong military conflict including commanding soldiers and losing soldiers,
Because in game she isn't leader.

>>51639159

> she just sounds like a somewhat cocky chick with a jetpack and some tacticool lingo she heard on /k/

Which is a far more interesting angle than some cookie cutter grizzled veteran.

Soldier: 76 is already a character. I wish whoever is doing these comics would make Pharah's personality more in line with how she is in the game. She's much more fun as a stubborn, literal minded professional soldier with an awkward cheeriness to her than someone who just operates operationally in operational operations.

>>51622460
Didn't read thread so sorry if it's been stated already, but one huge reason in modern day is the ease with which they can fire larger rounds, as well as rounds like .357 mag and .44 mag with ludicrous amounts of powder for the size of the bullet. In terms of 'stopping power' they can easily pack a shit ton compared to a conventional semi.

>>51639197
>>51639208
We're all pretty much in agreement here. I even said the "not a leader" thing in my first post and yeah I wish she were less "grizzled veteran" and more interesting. The creators have said there's a bit of captain america in her design but honestly they did a shit job showing it.

I hope she gets a cinematic soon where they can do her some real justice rains from a-AUUGGHHH

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>>51639302

>justice rains from a-AUUGGHHH

No joke if there were ever an official movie or even comic series meant to tell a complete story I'd hope they kill of Pharah. Not because I dislike her (she's honestly one of my favorites) but because the the mental image of Widowmaker sniping her out of the air and Ana and Rein rushing to her as she falls hits me in the feels harder than a Reinhardt pin.

>>51622460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQs7Wonu9NI

>>51622746
>>51622925
>>51639188
Mcree comci was one of the few I did read, overwatch couldn't really hold my attention like TF2 or Monday Night Combat could, it's just dull; But I do agree that it has some neat lore, Me and others mentioned how the panels showing what the other heroes did during the holidays (particulary widowmaker) was far more interesting than the rest of the comic (which was basically "I'M GAY")

They police their brass.

>>51632881
newfags under 60 GET OUT REEEEEEE

>>51622460
Alright, I'll put in my faggot ass 2 cents that will probably repeat and/or contradict some of the shit other anons posted but this thread is now tl;dr for me to really read it all.

>What's the appeal of revolvers?
Nostalgia - (westerns, dirty hairy, early cop shows etc).
Inertia - (the designs are dated but also very refined and trusted. Only within the last 20-30yrs have revolvers and semi-auto pistols been in equal regard by the mainstream.)
Feel - many just feel very right in the had.
Bore - typically its easier and cheaper to design a revolver to fire very powerful cartridges as opposed to semi-autos. It can be done though.

>Why are they so much cooler than regular handguns?
I'd go with Feel being the greatest factor in that opinion. Revolvers can be powerful and look neat but they feel fantastic usually. Something like a Peacemaker or a 1851 Navy are considered some of the best balanced guns in existence. Also the shooter is powering the workings of the revolver, not the cartridge's gas. This makes many shooters sub consciously more connected to the gun as they use it.

>>51622460
>regular handguns

FFS

>>51639866
Every major military, police force, and videogame have semi-automatic pistols as their service/primary pistol. Its also easier and cheaper to buy a centerfire semi-auto pistol compared to a revolver.

For the average 15-25 year old who grew up playing video games and watching contemporary action flicks instead of playing cops-vs-robbers and watching westerns, "regular handgun" ≠ revolver

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>>51638338
The caster gun always feels like it SHOULD be the stupidest idea ever, but I can't help but absolutely adore it.

>>51622460
People have been conditioned by movies and video games to assume that the fewer bullets a gun holds, the stronger it must be.
Revolvers come across as the sniper rifles of of handguns, where they're seen as SUPER EXCLUSIVE PRO GUNS reserved for people who must be very good shots.

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>>51635664
Snub nosed 454 casull. Even a regular sized Freedom Arms 454 isn't too bad.

The 454 casull can deliver energy and damage equivalent to a 12 guage shotgun slug in a much more readily carried and reloaded 5 or even six shot variant.

>>51627524
Semi-autos are at, or slightly beyond the limits of the power they can deliver without the gun becoming a raggedy piece of shit inside of 5,000 rounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2KhI7aHLqU

>>51629089
10mm still fucks up pistols chambered for it to this day. The mechanisms simply can't take the abuse with current materials. It's better than it was 15-20 years ago, but it's not great.

>>51640840
Well, yes. If you've carrying a five shot revolver that delivers rifle round impacts, you will necessarily need to be a good shot.


For all and sundry, the major factor games fail to deal with is how brutal recoil can be on very high powered pistols, .454 Casull, .500 S&W, .475 Linebaugh and even the comparatively reasonable .44 magnum all deliver a jarring impact that most shooters will never want to experience again, let alone practice to adapt to and overcome.

>>51638267
Each chamber is a different type of shot, and the user can switch between shots by cocking the hammer. You could rapidly switch between an EMP shot that fries robots, a stun shot that tazes people, a burst shot that just fires a big cone of energy over a short distance, etc.

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>>51637802
It's a little weird actually, many of the Overwatch characters get some extra character in their sprays of all places. For Pharah, it's the winter event with her and Reinhardt ice fishing and she's just genuinely happy. Then again, if I could spend a little time with my childhood hero, I'd be pretty happy too.