>Elves are usually depicted as more longlived, more intelligent,

>>51619306
You can try to draw some real world parallels, anon. It's not THAT farfetched.

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Elves do not hibernate during the winter.

They masturbate.

>>51619306
Extensively difficult birth rates, elves are of the opinion that children are incredibly expensive and difficult to raise (Especially because the stages in which the child can die by really minor trauma like shaking last 8 times as long), think of the reason we have an aging population.

Not 8 times lower. 100-200x lower. It's a wonder elves even manage to functional society. And elven child's birth is something a community celebrates perhaps once a decade.

>>51619306

Same reason white people are so vastly outnumbered by Asians and Indians.

>>51619306
Even if you are intelligent and good with magic you can still get zerged by humans with arrows.

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>>51619357
>think of the reason we have an aging population
So you're telling me elves have a welfare state and fucked up legislation that actively discourages marriage and reproduction?

>Superpowerful anime race of pink hair humans who can lift hundred ton boulders casually
>Can leap great distances and supernatural durability
>Is somehow slave race.

>>51619436
Don't kinkshame them anon

In my setting elves are actually pretty shit-tier.

>Natural skill/learning rate is equal-to or less-than a human's
>Because they live 10x longer, many of them are pretty lazy
>Young elves are terrible at everything

>The only advantage they have is that since they live 10x longer, the few(i.e, >1%) that are passionate about combat or any given profession tend to be legendary

>>51619306
>but their pride was their downfall

>>51619436
>they are retards
that's the only plausible answer

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Humans can transform their surroundings to how they like it.
Elves cannot.

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>>51619466
So basically they're a race of of disappointments, but be very careful around old elves

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They level up more slowly

>>51619306
Elves are super insular and don't give a shit about anything unless it's happening right in front of them

Humans breed dozens of times faster and are extremely expansionistic/ambitious, to the point that their cities grow upwards when they can't grow out

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>>51619306
God dammit, I'm sick of all these bait threads. This board is so shitty these days.

>>51619504
This is remains one of the most cringeworthy comics I've ever read

>>51619306
Depends on the setting.

>>51619306
Humans are the protagonist race. Don't search for any good in-world explanation, they are just written to be dominant so you have more heroes to self-insert into.

>>51619306
Ironically, because their lives are so long.
They aren't as motivated to get shit done in a timely manner since they have hundreds of years to do it. On the other hand, humans only have 20-30 years to accomplish what they need to accomplish before their bones turn to glass and their skin turns to paper, so they need to make good use of that time.

>>51619546
Don't you enjoy that we had this thread a million times already.

It's that damn Spiral power getting in the way.

Seriously though, elves are just not proactive enough. If you lived for thousands of years, you'd probably get tired of sex, bored with children, and not give a damn about anything. You'll last long enough, so who gives a fuck about the next generation.

I honestly don't even care, but bait, dammit, you got me again.

>>51619306

1) Humans live fast and die young in fantasy settings, they're in a hurry, and have drive and ambition to get things done _now_, because if you don't, you'll never see it finished.

2) Elves are immortal, so there's no rush to do stuff. They'll get it done some time or other, why are you in such a hurry? Also, where the heck did all those round-ears come from, and when did they build that city? I swear, I just take one nap, make a nice cabinet to store my clothes in, and suddenly they're everywhere.

>>51619306
Elves, as a race, are deeply disorganized and unfocused people that care more about perfecting the water quality of a forest stream, or wharever, than advancing their race or community.

I was trying to think of an example and I remembered a bit by Christopher Titus.
Please forgive the /pol/.
The bit ends with him apologizing for white people's history of poor treatment of other races by saying "I'm Whitey, and I apologize."
Then he asks all the white people in the audience to say it with him.
Immediately, in unison, the crowd says "I'm Whitey, and I apologize!"
Then Titus adds, "And all you other races? I'd accept the apology. Because, did you see how fast we all got organized?"

Humans are just more organized.

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>>51619417

Not a welfare state, WELFARE TREES, who provide housing, transport, healing & food for free to all elves.

Majority of deaths of elves are accidental and involve falling out of trees.

(now of course, the question then becomes: would humans live as long as elves if they also lived in trees? The answer is GET OUT OF OUR TREES ROUND EARS hissssssssss)

>>51619675
That raises the question if elves would welcome human refugees or build a wall.

>all this headcanon
It's not like you have any literature and sourcebooks to read up on this shit.

>>51619735
They'd say they'd build a wall but by the time they actually get to step one of it the land they're on will have long been one they're a minority in.

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Because humans are more likely to be born with one of the most dangerous traits: ambition.

Elves are perfectly happy shitting in the woods for a thousand years. One ambitious human with a thousand years could change the world.

>>51619306
>more intelligent
>more skilled
this is what elves believe

>>51619306
>Explain this
It just works

>>51619851
Elves often start with extra INT and elf-made shit is most of the time better than your average human-made stuff.

>>51619374
You /pol/ack piece of.... actually that's kind of a good point if you think "developed world" versus "un/under-developed world".

Racism aside it's not a bad example

>>51619504
>we still being prettier than you

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>>51619504
>>51619570
>m-muh HFY

>>51619306
You're underestimating Elvin Snobbery. Elves have an infinitesimally low birth rate because their sperm only fertilizes when the sex rituals are performed EXACTLY RIGHT. Worse, if the sperm fails to fertilize, the spirit of the sperm appears to criticize the couple on their performance. Can you imagine that? What would have been your son appears immediately after you cum and berates you for fumbling on groping your partner's nipples while in the doggy position.

Combine that with abysmally low sperm count and you're basically trying to please maybe one out of a dozen people to be your kid, and by the fifth time you get berated for not doing it right you both can't take it any more and you start yelling at your genitals for being such a dick.

>>51619936

Triggered elfaboo pls kill yourself.

>>51619306
Elves don't have any initiative or drive to do anything.

>>51619968
>Can you imagine that?
Oh boy, considering a man squirts out millions of spermatozoids at once this must be entertaining.

>Father, I'm the brave and noble son you always wanted and I can't believe you just did that. Seriously?
>I'm a permanent virgin genius and even I know to fuck better than that!
>I'm literally retarded, but not as retarded as you!

>>51619306

Elves aren't really expansionist by nature. Humans are. Once you have more humans spread out and having more babies then their numbers only get larger and larger.

>>51619504
I always got the impression elves can transform their surroundings just how they like it, too. That's why they all live in magical forests or shiny cities.

>>51619306

I thought Tolkien elves didn't have a say in the matter regarding how many of them there are. Eru pretty much dictated when they were all going to be born, how long they'd exist in corporeal form before returning to the planet (insert FF7 joke here), and exactly how they were going to die. So elves don't flood the world because the creator-god said so.

Man was given the gift of being able to determine these things for themselves, but there was this huge misunderstanding, and they ended up being extremely short-lived due to seeing the gift as a curse.

>>51619306
The answer to this question really is setting specific even if the generalization is correct.

BUT the granddaddy of this is from LOTR and in that setting Elves did dominate the world at one point because of their superior everything and humanity is only just becoming dominant not because of any Human vs Elf competition, but because the world was changing (losing its magic or something). If that did not happen humans would NEVER dominate because the Elves really were better.

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>>51620018
Don't know anon, this very popular system here says something else. It's almost nobody here actually has any books to read up on this and just makes shit up on the fly, which explains why threads like this can be of such poor quality.

>>51619889
and yet human empires utterly btfo elven empires.

>>51620106
>They tend to remain aloof and unfazed by petty happenstance.
>Except when they don't
yeah no fuck you. Elves are hedonists and wouldn't lift a finger unless some fat fuck tried to steal their salads

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>>51619306

>>51620020
>>51619968
And that's why most elves turn gay. Defendants won't prosper? Better shove them up another man's anus to show them who's boss.

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>>51619583
Bullshit. By that logic an even shorter-lived species in the setting should be even more advanced.

>>51620156
Funny, I always thought they were just a metaphor for miscegenation.

>>51620216
Well yea, but death of the author and all that.

>>51620214
Except that shorter-lived species die earlier and more often. There's a balancing point between the two extremes.

>>51620214
Kobolds are not a short lived species

>>51620214
I mean

>Goblins and whatever with crazy likely to explode tech
Seems to be a thing in several settings, so it depends.

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>>51620214
Damnit, now I have to figure out a setting where humans are shorter lived than most, but there's an even shorter lived species than them that have surpassed them technologically.

>>51619306
Don't need to be the smartest to be the dominant one. China outfucks everyone and it's made them a super power.

>>51619889
And yet a level 1 elf is 110 years old while a level 1 human is 15+2d6 years old.

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>>51619618
>Bored with sex & don't give a fuck.

Gotta make the elven race like this asshole.

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>>51620335
Of course the Salarians literally think faster so relativity might be helping them.

>>51620358
It's almost like this is completely retarded.

>>51619306
Elves have usually progressed beyond things like the desire for empire or dominance.

In most settings they've already ruled the world and realized that it was a futile and shortsighted endeavor, or they're in the world for a specific purpose, like fighting the big evil.

>>51620214
Accomplishment isn't always advancement.

Elves are usually more advanced than humans in fantasy settings. Better medicine, better cities, better magic, better smithing, more extensive and insightful philosophies, etc.

>>51620528
Henceforth, in all my settings applicable, the only reason elves continue to exist is because they have yet to decide the best variety of cheese

Elves have racial level limits, while humans do not. The Elven champion at the absolute peak of Elven ability is somewhere between level 14 and 16 and his handful of seconds are somewhere between 8 and 12. The human champions are all level 20 and their big pile of assistants and allies are between 15 and 18. Checkmate invading elf horde.

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>>51619306
The classical reasoning for obviously superior fantasy races not being dominant is twofold. They once actually were, to such an extent that they nearly obliterated themselves and everyone else so now all they do is lazily exist to be bitter or snarky about it.

Or, because they're so long lived, they see no reason to be urgent in their actions lacking the human emphasis on ambition.

Personally I like the second one, because if you knew you had 3000+ years to live like a classic D&D elf, you really wouldn't feel the need to conquerors. When you can sit on your ass and carve a piece of wood for a hundred years and call it a hobby, you've already won.

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>>51619306

Tolkien effect and shit writing.

In LotR elves were retreating from the human world so every setting must do it.

It's completely fucking ridiculous in many. Like in Warhammer where high elves are somehow dying out but dark elves who are literally a high elf country gone dark side have enough manpower to throw a giant army at elf lands every time plot demands it.

>>51620663
Warhammer at least has the excuse that it's supposed to be dumb as shit.

>>51620663
dying out doesn't mean near extinct, it just means population is no longer rising.

>>51619504

Elves are smarter and their scientists can work for centuries accumulating knowledge and experience. They should have far more advanced technology than humans. And that's not even taking magic into account.

>>51620704

Except most recent editions mention all the time how Ulthuan cities are empty and elven population drops sharply.

>>51619306
>Humans are the dominant race in the majority of settings

Most settings are retarded crap written by idiots.

>>51619306
Nice bait OP.

>>51620757
That's because back before they were a galaxy-wide species. An Imperium of Elf.

>>51620705

"Science advances funeral by funeral" - Max Planck

Longevity is not necessarily a good thing for science. Someone who has spent a millennium using geometric profs for everything is probably going to have serious issues when someone starts talking about irrational, imaginary, and negative numbers. Look at how long geocentrism held on, even after Copernicus, now imagine if Claudius Ptolemaeus was still around saying "no, fuck you, I've got 1000 years of observations" and had been refining his geocentric model all that time.

>>51620663
>Like in Warhammer where high elves are somehow dying out but dark elves who are literally a high elf country gone dark side have enough manpower to throw a giant army at elf lands every time plot demands it.

40K at least solves this problem by having the Dark Eldar repopulate very, very quickly through cloning and accelerated aging, as well as Haemonculi literally regenerating people from the dead with little more than a scrap of meat. Furthermore, since Dark Eldar society is "kill or be killed," and they literally do not care about feeding all of their people, being a warrior of some sort is the only real way to survive for them, so an overwhelmingly massive proportion of their population are hyper-militarized.

Craftworld Eldar live a life of self-denial and strict regimen, so repopulating is an extremely controlled thing for them.

>>51619306

Everyone aped Tolkien without putting in the work he put into Middle Earth to create a historical context for it to make sense.

>>51619306
Elves don't want to do shit, humans do.

It's like how China was more advanced than Europe for centuries, but never expanded and tried to conquer and colonize the world, while Europe ended up doing so.

>>51619306
>le humans are all one united people trope

This is stupid as hell and bugs the ever living shit out of me because it's such modern day mentality blindspotting of the worst degree. Dumb manling posters.

>>51620663
High Elves aren't dying out in WHFB. They've just isolated themselves from the mainland for the most part and only go outside the fight Chaos.

WHFB High Elves are Noldor AFTER they return to Valinor.

>>51619504
Nukes should be achieveable with magic too, just have right reasorces and magic spells what could replicate neccery reactions and catalists and you can make atomic weapon.

>>51619374
This. The more civilized a society is, the less procreating they involve themselves in.

>>51619374
Yeah and that's why they're internationally irrelevant and powerless.

Did you even read the OP?

>>51619306
Are you just realizing now that the majority of series' elves are shit?

>>51622131
Excellent point mein friend :^)

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>>51619306
>elves age slowly
Nobody would take seriously a king without a beard

>elves are efeminate
Everyone would try to fuck the king/emperor/ruler if he was an elf

>lower birthrates
Blame chads for fucking all the girls and trapfags for fucking al the other girls

Men are more domintant cuz nobody can kill human penis power.

elves are essentially blonde horse-eared asians

>>51622366
Roman fashion was complete hairlessness until Hadrian, tard.

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>>51622518
that's a greek armor you fucking nigger

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>>51622620

I think you'll find that greece was rome.

>>51622620
>Greece
>relevant by itself
Greece was always a shitty backwater and the only relevant greeks exported themselves to Sicily and Macedon.

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>>51622723
>>51622779
>hurrr durrr the ak47 is used by turks thus the ak is turk

fucking twats

>>51619306
There is a lasting superstition imparted upon the elven populace from an unknown source, maybe royals or a religious group, that states that having more than one or two children in their lifetime would bring a whole lot of curse upon yourself and your kin; solely because smart guys with a lot of foresight wanted to keep overpopulation from being a thing. This coupled with the fact that childbirth is painful as all hell without use of the little-known school of anesthetic magic because why numb pain when you can just heal the wound? and the fact that elves don't really get heated though they can get brought into the mood, humans are so demanding~ for large swathes of time due to their natural affinity to magical bullshit, giving them a longer fertility cycle based on something like planetary positions rather than seasonal/lunar.

At least, that's how I bullshit it in my game. I'm the only one in the group that plays an elf and the setting has very little established for them, so whatever I say is pretty much considered "canon" if I can make sound reasonable to idiots. I figure this works because:
>1. Half-elves are made even more rare if the odd elf that does something else doesn't want to "spend" having a bunch of kids on a relationship that could fuck over some humans they care about. Also they'd probably only be fertile a few times in a human's lifetime anyway, so the opportunities are scarce.
>2. Not worrying about piles of kids frees time to work on their craft, leading to superior elven techniques.
>3. Elven societies become more communal. If the heir doesn't follow the parent's line of work, they can become an apprentice to an elven master. Even if the student-swapping doesn't loop back, mostly-immortal elves have all the time in the world to bring in other races to teach their craft to.

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>>51619570
>>51619936
>>51620705
>>51622048
Fucking apologists.

>>51619306
>More long lived
>More intelligent
>More skilled
>more in tune with magic
Yeah yeah but you forget their OTHER major defining aspect: They're useless aloof fagots who do nothing but hang around in the woods fucking trees. The thing that prevents them from being OP is that they don't give a fuck about taking over the world. They just want to sit in their forest fuckholes and be OH SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER than you.

Dwarves should totally fucking own the world because they have the best armor and weapons and are hard as shit, but they're too busy hiding in mountains furiously masturbating to geological features.

I'm pretty sure the reason other races hate humans is unlike them, humans aren't happy to just sit in their little cave or tree house for the entirety of recorded history. Must make them seem awfully pushy and greedy, comparatively.

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Elves are racist fucks.

Not the way you think - it's the only instinct they have to prevent incest. Elves cannot stand anything familiar or well-known. Elves are the ultimate dilettante neophiles, always trying to find new experiences and new people to be around. The Elven family exists in a state of low-grade warfare, with only the most nervous and paranoid children surviving, each impelled by an uncontrollable wanderlust and thirst for novelty and the unfamiliar. After all, every time you drink the same thing three times, it ends up poisoned.

Elven communities are generally as distantly related as possible, and as the inhabitants grow more and more familiar, they become less and less trusting, with petty vengeances spiraling into bare-faced hostility, it's only a matter of days before weapons are drawn and blood is shed.

An Elf is a friend for a month.

High elves are retarded cause endogamy and incest to breed beautiful but airheaded kids, they only act as if they were wise and actually the stronger warriors and wisest mages are those from low classes

Humans are rough and smart cause they don't forcibly breed their own kin and are more centered in survival and commodities like chairs and toilets.

Orks are "retarded" because most of their advancement goes to military and not to domestic tech/magic and mostly have enough strength to solve problems easily.

it's a poodle vs hunter dog vs wolf thing.

>>51619306
>"We must protect the forest!"
>"We don't eat meat because it hurts the animals!"
>"We spend time and energy to nurse back hurt deer!"

All the while man is consuming his kills to gain their power and burning wood to fuel his machines of war. While the elf uses his magic to heal the deer the man is using his magic to explode a fortress in practice to explode a bigger fortress.

>>51623195
elf uses magic to heal bambi
man uses magic to create superior golem waifu

>>51619306
I personally always go with the idea that elves, because of their naturally smaller population and longevity are super careful about stuff. An elven wizard spends decades learning the fine arcane manipulations required to become a first level wizard, carefully overseen by masters of the craft until they are certain that he or she is ready to be considered a user of magic.

Humans on the other hand go hard, go fast, and give no fucks. Sure half the class blew up learning the spell, but the other half can cast fireball.

This is why half elves are so fucking weird to everybody. When you combine perfectionism and slapdash mania, you get either something amazing or terrible.

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>humans are all one thing!
>We're better than elves because this one thing happens to be better!

It should be that humans are so varied that some of them are bound to do better as they grow and struggle against one another and are constantly forming new groups and ideas, while elves only ever do one thing, for as long as they possibly can.

>>51623218

sounds like humans would be the ones with the lower birth rates if we go by that example

>>51623195
Usually when this happens, it's because elves already did the same things 8000 years ago and are now desperately trying to get humans to notice the clues like vast swathes of unnatural desert or ruins of cities that once housed millions.

>>51623312
But the humans did notice. I mean fuck those ruins have some sweet loot in them. Gotta get stronger to get past the survivors and what now lives in them though so we gotta keep practicing the warcraft and magic.

>>51623218
Elf uses magic to fuse himself with still warm remains Bambi's mom in order to become an elf-doe-taur-cuntboy. Man goes mad trying to fit this in public decency laws.

>>51623302
plant revived uterus from (mysteriously) late wife into golem waifu if want kids

>>51623421
please elaborate
with pictures

>>51623443
I can't. It's illegal in the Duchy of Beyik. So is double-fisting rumps that, if you cover one of your eyes, look as they might belong to a female animal.

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>>51623510
this isn't YLYL dammit

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The elves didn't create all that technology silly human, the great and long gone forerunner super race did. The elves worship the forerunners as gods, that's why knowledge of the elven pantheon is so safe-guarded from outsiders. The elves use this to their advantage and appear like a really advanced nation to the outsiders, but really they've barely cracked open the ancient technology at all, and have only been using it to expand their lifetimes and magical prowess. When other cultures find evidence of the forerunners, the elves just claim that was their doing several millennia ago.

Where do you think all those dungeons with magical loot in them come from anyways?

Or the conveniently brutish subterranean sentient races that don't take the loot themselves? Those don't seem like the work of centuries of selective breeding by a higher civilization to you? How narrow-minded.

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>>51619504
source?

Elves are only more intelligent and skilled than humans because they're so longlived, and they're only so longlived because they and their society exist in a stringently maintained, ritualistic harmony with their immediate surroundings. They feed on excess life energy to maintain their own, and elvish society can only exist surrounded by dense, carefully-cultivated, old-growth forests, or areas which, because of ley lines or other confluences of supernatural forces, are already overflowing with energy (which will also become massively overgrown in short order if the elves there are also cultivating nature to feed off the mana; the few elvish cities only exist at the heart of these double-whammy areas where Places of Power overlap with Abundant Nature).

This is why elves are really only found out in the woods or in sharply delineated pockets of abnormality that local humans learn to avoid (faerie rings and the like). Elves are extremely protective of their homes, and very particular about what sort of behavior they allow for humans passing through, both because they're worried that travelers will try to intentionally steal some of their life force, and that ignorant humans might commit some ritual faux passe that interferes with the precious Harmony that allows them to feed. Elvish ways are often confusing and inexplicable to humans, who don't understand that the purpose they serve is more magical than practical.

Individual elves don't like leaving these places, and if they tried to permanently settle out in the rough alongside humans and orcs, their children would enjoy only a fraction of their lifespan, and their grandchildren would be indistinguishable from humans. Conversely, if the elves take a shining to you and invite you into their realm, and you partake of their food and drink and follow their laws, you will slowly become like them, the distilled power of nature replacing mortal flesh and vigor until age departs you and cold iron burns to the touch.

Elves do not organize as humans do, and they don't want to rule the world.

Humans, despite their short time, congregate into cities and forces and armies.

Elves do not, they have one city, and it was a gift, they didn't even make it themselves.

Elves are true anarchists, they're chaotic at heart. They too easily suffer from ennui, so an elf will do many things, but maybe master one if they really like doing it. It's for this reason elves tend to be versed in many disparate skills. Nearly all elves know how to use a tiny bit of magic, and nearly all elves know how to use a bow and blade. Most have artistic and musical skills as well, or are well read in an incredibly particular subject.

An elven settlement will consist of around 20-200 elves approximately. Their small numbers let them defend their numbers easily, and live impermanent lives. You cannot siege and elf, and trying to capture them to most seems like a fools errand.

The majority of elves have wandered out to find their own paths. You're more likely to meet an elf travelling than ever visit an elf village in your lifetime.

The only exception to this, is the centennial event known as the Elfmoot, where elves make pilgrimage to the fields of the Feywild. Celebration, exchange of families and good, and political decisions are made here. Few times has the Elfmoot decreed the need of an army, and each time the Elven Army proved to shape the course of history.

>>51619306
No they don't have low birthrates.
Just retarded social customs.

High elves go full retard with magic research and art to the point of almost cloistering them selves.

Wood elves train their young by pitting them against each other in fair combat and then when they are old enough to have a chance to survive they dump them deep into the woods as a trial of adulthood...Many ended up as snacks for other predators.


Drow are.... Well i don't need to mention their society do i?

>>51623917
Atleast this is how I do my elves.

I always thought low birth rates was a cop out, and the stern, stuffy, arrogant elves incredibly stupid and un-fun.

An elven settlement is like a noble court in size and activities, and they do carry an noble air to themselves because they come from fey nobility. High Elves tend to represent the good elements of aristocracy, whereas Dark Elves represent the bad. This is only in their relations to the fey and nature, among the cities and lands of other races, they have the qualities imposed on them. Humans think them noble because they're well skilled, mannered, and beautiful. Human noble courts want them in their circles, as tutors for their children, as retainers, or as lovers.

>>51623917
I usually have elven social organization at the chiefdom level at most, with chiefdoms having a tendency to fall apart annoyingly fast.

Druids are mostly there to try to keep the elves from getting too carried away, even a messy divorce between two clan chiefs can lead to the small empires of the elves to fall apart as groups who prefer the queen, the king or neither will just fuck off and form their own damn chiefdom with blackjack and hookers.

>>51623858
This is why changelings are a thing; Elvish communities are small and insular, and they need to avoid inbreeding, so they'll frequently 'exchange' their own biological children for those of humans. Some legends insist the elves only do this with infants who display the signs of inbreeding, and some scholars agree that this is how the practice started, but in truth elves do this all the time, even when their kids are perfectly healthy (and sometimes when the adopted human is not). Elvish psychology is more than a little weird, and they consider this practice a way of maintaining good ties with their human neighbors (and one which doesn't involve humans coming to Our Side at that).

Babies raised in elvish society will eventually become pretty elvish anyways, and even if the changelings are a little strange by the standards of their human families, they can live out human lives well enough, and usually earn somewhat-respected positions as the liaisons between the two communities. Elves also excel at blood magic, and having a good portion of your close family not be related to you by blood keeps you a lot safer from potential attack. At the same time, having a little elvish blood in the local human population to magically leverage is rarely a bad thing.

In my setting the Duergar are the main super power just due to having guns, explosives and owning one half of the underground which is arguably a larger empire than any other. Humans have their own kingdom strictly due to rights violations by elves which caused the Duergar to step in and force them to keep their hands off of lesser species. That said, Elves have pretty much dominated human social circles and even use social clout and subtlety to breed human nobles like pets for a human dog show once a year that no one is aware of besides elf nobility.

>>51624097
Something like marriage is something rather foreign to elves.

Who would want to be bound to one love until either one of you die? Life is too long for that.

As such, relationships last as long as they like to, trend towards serial monogamy, and families consist of many half-siblings.

>>51624239
It's more a matter of alliances than love in this case.

>>51624260
I also don't think my sort of elves would understand that reasoning.

>>51624109

There's actually something weirdly endearing to their rationale for baby snatching.

>'You stole my baby!'
>'Yeah, but we left one that was just as good! Better even. We were just trying to be friendly!'

And it makes sense, since being an 'elf' in this world is a consequence of how you live, not your ancestry. If you take a human baby before it's learned how to be a human, it doesn't really 'belong' with humans, and an elf baby isn't really an elf until it's learned how to.

I assume dwarves have something similar going on with their own specially structured societies, feeding off the power of the earth or something. There's less life force there, which is why dwarves don't live as long as elves, but they also get more wiggle room in how they act.

>>51619306
Because in Tolkien's works the Elves had given up and mostly left Middle Earth but the media that takes from it gives them the position and attitude of the LotR stuff but not the reasoning behind it

>99% of any post is just anons making shit up
I'm disappointed, /tg/ used to be a very well-read board.

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>>51626080
>>99% of any post is just anons making shit up
>I'm disappointed, /tg/ used to be a very well-read board.
True, true.
In ages past, we've been so very well known for coloring within the lines and only using the same, published settings.

What's your world like?

>>51626177
>What's your world like?
That's the thing, I don't really think that this thread should be muh settan, but examining established settings and how they answer OPs question. If I wanted to know something about anons elves, I would have made a thread about it. I really did in the past

>>51619330
There are more asians than whites. Only was to inflate negro-numbers is to use the current US administration categories to count them.

>>51619306
Elves are more autistic focusing on very specific skills.

Besides the obvious implications this poses in times of strife it also means a whopping number of Elves get through life with never mating, preferring instead to latch onto hideously misrepresented Dwarven culture and the waifu pillows that entails.

>>51619915
to be fair senpai there was no racism in his statement just facts.

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long.
They need to live 64 times longer to even out with Humans.

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>>51626467
Facts are seen as racism nowadays. Not even a /pol/ack faggot, i just find annoying that you can't have a normal conversation without having a retard screaming at your face every two sentences

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I take the Japan route. Elves have the potential to be the best, but they're hampered by old, stuck in their ways elves who just refuse to die.

Only it's worse because those old farts live to be several thousand years old. There can be individual innovation, but society as a whole moves at a glacial pace.

>>51626548
And what japanese setting is that?

>>51619374
>>51619915
>>51626314
>>51626467
WTF?
The ganges basin and the yellow river valleys are extremely fertile places that support the growing of rice. They can easily feed their populations like they did historically.

>>51626534
As a black teacher in a largely black school in a black area, the refusal to sit down and discuss intelligence differences between the races is why my students will, despite all my efforts, wind up unemployed and addicted to crack all while blaming the white man.

And you know what? It is the white man, because he's too much of a pussy to sit down and talk about it.

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>>51619306
>Neanderthals were stronger, more intelligent, more skilled and more adapted to their environment than cro-magnos
>Cro-magnos become the dominant species in the majority of Ice Age Europe

Explain this
>Inb4 muh low birth rates

>>51619306
Well, in the Paksenarrion books, where the most hateworthy of all elves dwell, it is explained at one point that elves are creatures of harmony. They literally can only function when everything is going their way - if anyone fights back, they run home to their forests to suck their thumbs and write angry fanfiction about how stupid, arrogant humans dared to hurt them.

>>51626630
>Explain this
With superior being came superior taste.

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>>51626630
So what you're telling me is that humans racemixed the elves into extinction, and the more elf-like humans become objectively superior over the ones without elven admixture yet arbitrarily pretend everyone's equal? And now the same thing is happening with orcs, who are now racemixing humans out of existence and will eventually be led by a class of orcs with high human admixture?

>>51626630
There's really no indication that the neanderthals were either more intelligent or particularly more adapted.

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>>51626558
Best was stretching things. Japanese society can be surprisingly old fashioned and dated. Especially in regards to business culture and in technical training.

Take sushi for instance. A Westerner might assume it's a pretty straightforward thing to learn.

It's not. Not the traditional Japanese way. It's clean the restaurant for a year or two, then you get the privilege of watching an old man cook rice. A year after, you get to fan the rice to cool it. Put some months into your fanning hand, and maybe you'll get the honor of carrying fish back from the market. Do that well enough, and you get to stand in the corner of the bar and watch the real chefs work. Then you move up to side board where you do bitch work, but actually work with a knife. You finally get to cut fish.

Then, after 20 years, on the chef's death bed, the asshole teaches you how to make vinegar.

Now apply that to an elf who wants to learn magic. The teacher is 3000 years old, and has no patience for bullshit kids. That elf spends the next 300 years learning jack and shit, but he has zero options otherwise. All the knowledge is horded by a handful of elves who only pass it on after drilling their bullshit methods into their students as being the only way. Any other way is wrong.

>>51626670
/pol/ack, can you, without refering to wikipedia, point out the range of the Homo Neandertalensis

If your answer is "only western europe", you're allowed to shut the fuck up forever.

>>51626698
no wonder they are autistic.

>>51626558
IRL Japan from the Warring States to the reformation of Meiji

>>51626698
>>51626718
None of these are fantasy things.

>>51626725
Imagine how much MORE bullshit, overcomlicated and autistic it could become if it was.

>>51626239
>>What's your world like?
>That's the thing, I don't really think that this thread should be muh settan
Actually, that was a trap to mislead you and set me up to say, "No, what's your world like that you live in where /tg/ never tangents from published settings and well read people don't like to discuss their personally developed lore."
Then, I was going mock you for whatever reply you said that made you a faggot.
But then you ruined everything by being a decent fellow.

>>51619306
As far as established settings go, the only one I recall that directly addressed that exact scenario was Tolkien.
I got the sense from others that elves were generally much better at magic, but the truly powerful wielders of magic were humans.
Eragon, with with the dragonriders would be an example.
It's like elves are more powerful as a race, but all the PC level characters are allied with humanity.

>>51619306
They learn easy slower. Heard of elven swordmaster a that spend 1000 years training? Humans have 30-40 years most to git gud before they are too old, but there are at least 50 guys who are on par with elven bladelords in Imperial City.
Also, elves have mastered all known tactics, but they are really slow with adapting to new ones. Remember 857's Crossbow Massacre? Knife-ears started taking into account that mithril chainmail is no good against crossbow bolt only in late 1000s.

>>51626701
>If your answer is "only western europe"
Was never going to say that. Practically all non-Africans have neanderthal admixture right? Asians actually have a higher neanderthal admixture than Europeans (which might explain why their IQs are higher on average).

>No wikipedia
http://www.molecularecologist.com/2015/02/twice-mixed-testing-hypotheses-of-neanderthal-ancestry/
Are the BBC and two academic references good enough for you?

>>51626758
>They learn easy slower. Heard of elven swordmaster a that spend 1000 years training?
So, how come these completely retards of elves that could never develop a functional society have in many systems a bonus to INT or WIS?

>>51626770
>have in many systems a bonus to INT or WIS?
Which systems?

>>51626710
As someone who was a sushi chef, it's an autistic thing to learn even using more practical Western techniques to learn. Anyone who sticks with it their entire life has to be a little autistic.

When you delve into Japanese culture, you find some of them have an almost inhuman obsession with their trade. There's a fucking chopsticks guy. Literally, a man who dedicated his life to learning to make chopsticks by hand, and he has a little shop, and there are dozens more like him.

>>51619306
elves could be the STRONGEST race, but they'll never be the most dominant. theyre too isolationist.

humans on the otherhand love spreading like a disease, and dont mind absorbing others (more labor more production more soldiers etc.)

>>51619735
DO YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO BE ROUND-EARED, YOU KEK?
Those shitears will just abuse the hell of forest are system and breed like roaches.

>>51626817
>humans on the otherhand love spreading like a disease, and dont mind absorbing others (more labor more production more soldiers etc.)
Don't know what FATAL setting you're in but It sucks.

>>51626788
D&D, depending on the subrace and and the edition of course, Pathfinder, DSA, Runequest come to my mind.

>>51626817
>and dont mind absorbing others
IRL almost all the civilizations from ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia till the very recent past were wildly xenophobic towards not just other races but other nations or even ones their own who DARED to deviate from the accepted norm. I see no reason for fanatsy humans to be better, especially when they have literally non-humans to hate.

>>51626763
>The BBC
lol

I asked for the range but nice try. I know that there's a tendency among polacks to parrot the idea that it's a purely eurasian phenomenon so here's for you: it includes multiple african populations, particularly in North and East Africa.

It is, also, as a general rule, considered a new and not particularly uncontested theory, that mostly keeps being parroted here because it pleases certain people's personal biases rather than because it's absolutely scientifically sound.

In the end you're still an annoying stormweenie who should sincerely shut up about trying to turn everything into your own little game of rahowa (and for the millionth time, orcs in LotR are not black people, they're a reference to the ww1 frontlines)

>>51626886
>D&D, depending on the subrace and and the edition of course
So 5e? The same edition where Humans get the same bonus to both mental attributes.

>>51626904
Has this been a thing in 4e as well? It wasn't like this in 2e and 3e.

>>51626894
>The absence of race is, also, as a general rule, considered a new and not particularly uncontested theory, that mostly keeps being parroted here because it pleases certain people's personal biases rather than because it's absolutely scientifically sound.

But seriously, both of you need to shut the fuck up. We're here for Elf boi pucci, not your autism.

>>51626926
Yes but 4e did a whole lot of things wrong. As it is though it's frequently mentioned in lore that Elves are smarter in many settings very few actually reflect it very well (as somehow human's famed 'flexibility' allows them to minmax to a ridiculous degree)

>>51626949
People that aren't smart shouldn't try to write smart people.

>>51626980
It's late and I risk an aneurysm translating your post. Please try English (UK) this time?

>>51627003
It's correct English, sir.

>>51627012
>People that aren't smart shouldn't try to write smart people.

>>51627021
Agreed.

>>51619306
in the witcher books avallach says that the elves ovulated once every ten years and sometimes the men didn't hit it whereas when humans came the elf maidens ovulated every time they orgasmed so women became the liberals who wanted more humans and the elf men wanted to kill them but didn't.

>>51626894
>particularly in North and East Africa.
You mean the caucasians who have more in common with Europeans and Arabs than with other Africans? You sure proved me wrong.

>It is, also, as a general rule, considered a new and not particularly uncontested theory, that mostly keeps being parroted here because it pleases certain people's personal biases rather than because it's absolutely scientifically sound.
Alright then. Present me with opposing views or articles that seek to debunk this theory. You cannot reject something that has evidence for it without counterevidence or proof why said evidence isn't evidence at all.

>Orcs in LotR
>Implying I was talking about LotR
Alright m8

>>51627028
Again, translate your post into English, Ebonics doesn't count. Are you saying I shouldn't write 'smart'? Are you saying I wrote 'smart'? how the fuck is any of what I wrote trying to be 'smart'?

>>51627034
Glad I'm not interested in this universe.

>>51627062
It is super magical realm.

>>51627059
>complains that it's late and he's probably tired
>but blames anon for not being able to understand a sentence
Protip: the post was not about you. Stop being so self-centered.

>>51626894
>>51627051
Take it to your containment board, shitposters.

>>51627081
It's 1 AM, that's usually considered late.

And I'm not blaming him/(you) I'm asking for an explanation of what in the everloving fuck was in reply to my post. Seriously what the fuck is meant by
>People that aren't smart shouldn't try to write smart people.

>>51622091
Then why is /r9k/ a hellish shit hole of a place?

>>51627123
Asexual reproduction.

>>51627109
>As it is though it's frequently mentioned in lore that Elves are smarter in many settings very few actually reflect it very well

>>51626813
>When you delve into Japanese culture, you find some of them have an almost inhuman obsession with their trade. There's a fucking chopsticks guy. Literally, a man who dedicated his life to learning to make chopsticks by hand, and he has a little shop, and there are dozens more like him.

Wasn't this the case with pretty much all trades before industrialization? I mean shit, I've read before that medieval saddle makers had their own guilds with esoteric secret rituals.

>>51622620
Watch where you are slinging those pepes young man

>>51627136
What's wrong with that? Besides my lack of grammar?

>>51619306
Read Lev Gumiliov's works if you need an answer. According to him, a civilisation's success and spread doesn't really correlate directly with its level of cultural and technological progress. In fact, more often then not, a civilisation starts to lose the passion for expansion and development once its culture reaches its peak of development.

He outlined six stages that any civilisation passes through, distinguished by their level of "passionarity": birth, development, climax, inertia, convolution, and memorial. It's basically a bell curve in terms of passion for conquest and expansionism.

A civilisation is born, it takes shape, it wants to spread itself as far as possible in order to ensure its survival. Once the survival is ensured, it starts growing tired of constantly expending resources on expansion. The resources are instead allocated towards creating high technology and high culture. Eventually, the potential for new ideas that any civilisation has begins to run low. With nothing new to create or do, a civilisation begins to destroy and dismantle itself, either subtly or violently.

Humanity is approaching the top of the bell curve of passionarity, dwarves are near the bottom and elves are at the very bottom.

>>51627157
There is nothing wrong with that, I didn't object this statement.

I like the idea that elves are just so ego-centric that they simply cannot work together. Like if you invade elvish territory it may seem like they are banding together to drive you out but really you are only fighting local individuals that are only interested in keeping you out of their own personal patch of forest and the neighbouring area. That's why they dont form armies. Ever. The best you will ever get is a small squad, and even then none of them are really working together they just all happen to be pissed off by the same thing and are seperately working to remove their target by attacking at the same time. That there are other elves nearby trying to acomplish the same goal is mere good chance. They are smart enought to seize that oppourtunity to help them acheive their own goal. That's not that they dont talk to eachother or plan around what the other elves are doing or going to do, but they cannot imagine what it is like to be anyone other than themselves. Each individual elf considers themselves to be the most significant existence. Others exist, and have feelings, and their own goals and desires, but what of it? That's the only way to live for a thousand years and still be sane, you can't be ok with being anything other than yourself. If you are able to put yourself in another being's shoes you will inevitably become bored after trying out every pair of shoes. The only way to survive is to have such a strong sense of self that you simply cannot see the world from another's perspective.

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>>51622723
>That rider

Do elves have periods?

Because they'd run out eggs eventually. Combine that with low birth rates and difficulty conceiving and you'd have plenty of menopausal elven females.

That's how I handled it for my setting, anyway.

>>51627174
Then it doesn't make sense for the human kingdom to be in this kind of position forever in your average medieval stasis setting. If I remember correctly that guy gave an empire a life-span of 250 years.

>>51627193
Right...

>>51619306
Germans are the master race.
They lost WW2.

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>>51627252
>Germans are the master race.
>Laughing_fathers_of_western_civilization.mosaic
The only good Germanics were the ones who moved to France and instantly started speaking Gallo-Roman.

>>51627252
>Germans are the master race.
Hence why when you cross the Germanic Angles with the Germanic Saxon you get the super master race.

>>51627272
>>51627285
You don't get the point. Hitler declared Aryans the master race and yet he lost the war.
If they were the master race why did they lose? Clearly they are not the master race.

Same goes for elves. They claim they are the master race but get shit on easily in generic fantasy.

>>51627235
>People that aren't smart shouldn't try to write smart people.

He means that writing characters more intelligent than you is difficult. A would-be writer who is dumb shouldn't try to write stories involving "smart" characters.

Elves are supposed to be smart. A recurring motif in fantasy is that the writers are people of little talent trying to cash in on the escapism they're obsessed with. You end up with stories involving "intelligent" elves who actually act stupid.

People who aren't smart shouldn't try to write smart people.

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>>51619306
I don't remember elves having spiral power, OP.

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We live shorter lives, for certain, but that simply instils in us a greater sense of urgency. While an elf can bide his time, has the privilege of decades or centuries to leave their mark on the world, to secure a place for their offspring, we have no such luxury.

We must act, and so we act, brashly, violently, what caution we possess ever weighed against the inexorable and terrifying flow of time. We will never have enough hours in our days, enough days in our years. We are capable of frighteningly feats of industry, shoring up our weaknesses and frailties with our ingenuity. We change, we adapt, and we grow.

Elves do not change, elves do not grow. A culture cannot learn or adapt when it is comprised of the same individuals decade after decade, century after century.

They were born masters, but we fight for that right, we claw and bite at the world to stay alive and to make it ours. For all their harmony, they have none of our conviction.

>>51619306
The answer is HFY, dumb Marcille-poster.

>>51619306
>They're not especially driven, just on par with Humans in terms of drive.
>Elf life is a life of easy luxury, built by ages of elves before them.
>They already live in the magical nexus of the world.
>Tasks are easily accomplished with negligible magic and enchantments.
>Becoming dominant is simply useless effort with no foreseeable benefit.

Humans have no specific advantage over elves, we just live in the comparative dredges far away from them, be it in the cities to their forests or on continents separated by ages of terraforming and storm sowing. Human's would lead the more interesting lives though, not for HFY reasons, just comparatively scraping by to survive.

>>51627234
A fantasy setting is a slice of history, a photograph of a certain period. Nearly every one of them has at least a long and dramatic timeline, and Middle Earth even has somewhat of a future timeline.

>>51627068
>>51627062
Witcher as a profession is someone who has sex with witches.

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>>51622048
>Nukes should be achieveable with magic too, just have right reasorces and magic spells what could replicate neccery reactions and catalists and you can make atomic weapon.
It should, but it requires the knowledge in the first place. The entire premise here is that elves are so faggy and superior that they don't even care about thinking outside the box to achieve something like that.

>>51619306
See China.

Developed compasses, gunpowder, papermaking and printing before they ever entered the Western psyche, masters of astrology and geology, created a vast and sprawling empire and was building landmarks that can still be seen from orbit today while Europe was recovering from the Dark Ages. Combined with the sheer amount of land they owned, you'd think that the Chinese should've exploded out of control and come to dominate all of the known world.

Nope.

Cultural differences led to China stagnating for close to five hundred years while Europe suddenly started to sprint, catching up with Chinese invention and surpassing them effortlessly despite possessing less. Taoism is one of the factors to thank for this stagnation, but there's other contributors too. Even today, we struggle to fully understand why Europeans thrived while the Chinese dynasties sat on their laurels for centuries, perhaps even a millennium.

The Chinese only started becoming worthy of fear when they adopted European mindsets and started thinking as Westerners do.

Fear the elf when it starts thinking as a human does, for then you have an unstoppable force.

>>51619306
Imagine if you had a kid that you'd have to raise for 50 years...

>>51626630
Well you see the Neanderthal men had a common practice of taking Homo-sapiens women.
As genetic evidence suggests they dissapeared after cucking homo-sapiens men to the point of every population north of the Sahara desert and outside of Australia having Neanderthal DNA.

>>51619306
Humans have ambitions that Elves do not.

>>51627868
But how can they be superior when they can't think outside of the box to achieve something like that?

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long. This isn't an excuse.

silly faggot

the vast majority of elves are gonna be a similar age of humans

if they have even a vaguely suitable reproduction rate, elven longevity of the ridiculous amounts is going to be few and far between

if you want elves where the average elf is centuries old, you probably want them to have had a baby boom centuries ago and then mostly stopped recently.

you can have a world dominated by elves population wise, but they're gonna be young as fuck elves

>>51627877
If I recall correctly, the Chinese emperor recalled his merchant and exploratory fleets after exploring Africa, claiming there's nothing of value outside of China

>>51627925
Now doesn't that sound like a very elven thing to do?

Eleven children are raised in creches by groups of elves who have an interest in teachign and childrearing, with them switching out now and again.

>muh ambition
I find this funny. There exists amibitous people and also really lazy people. Some people do work a lot for themselves and other just to have a nice live. You get some ambitious leaders from time to time, trying to dominate the world, but actually they are pretty rare. Some of them do fall exactly in the same trap that you all blame elves for and just get hedonistic. It's kinda stupid to do this anyway, we have nobody to compare us in real life, so bringing real life expectations into fantasy falls flat.

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>>51619306
Elves tend not to give a fuck about expanding and tend to resolve their issues before one segment of their population would split off with the most common scenarios requiring divine/infernal influence to actually split a population of elves.

Humans on the other hand are greatly interested in expanding their claim on various lands (even inhospitable ones) and sometimes people fuck-off from one another for extremely petty reasons.

If we want to bring an element of "realism" into things, a near immortal race of super beings of elves ought to be fairly rare since theres no immediate need to replace their numbers at a high rate.

>>51619546
>God dammit, I'm sick of all these bait threads. This board is so shitty these days.
I like how rather than making a quality thread about an interesting topic, you instead chose to complain about THING. Good job being proactive and working to improve board quality.

>>51627885
> What is the average spoilt millennial

>>51628436
This will always be the most stupid argument on an anonymous image board:
>because you do x it means you also do/don't do y!

>>51627925
Bro they got to fucking CALIFORNIA and turned back. That's how far ahead they were.
It came back to bite them in the ass for 3 centuries, but the fact remains it was pretty fucking impressive

>>51628454
If you were born after 1982, you're a millennial.

If you're 35 or older, what are you doing on 4chan instead of working?

>>51619306
>Author is human.
>Author doesn't try to imagine a non-human focused world.
>Author doesn't want to piss off HFY crowd.
>Author is part of HFY crowd.

Pick one or more of the above.

>>51628600
>Author is human.
What if he's not?

>>51619374
East asians have the longest life expectancy

>>51619504
Meteor Storm

>>51628475
Prove it

>>51626630
Neanderthals were less adapted. They could not throw well and had trouble dealing with warmer climates. They possibly had communication difficulties too. They were basically dwarves: strong, smart and fond of crafting shit, but also short, gruff and slow to change. Cro-magnons were the elves, with their spears and bows and love of singing and dancing and art. They fucked each other and elf genes came out on top, but with just enough neanderthal to give modern humans some bitchin' beards.

Meanwhile halflings got fucked to death by asians

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long. This isn't an excuse.

It's still the main reason because their longevity does not matter during a war. Even if their army is a lot more skilled they will lose because they run out of manpower a lot sooner than humans. Even if they win the first war, in 5-10 years the humans are ready for the next war and sooner or later the elves will lose just due to attrition.
Same can be said about any form of natural disaster. It's a lot more devastating to the elves than to humans because the recovery rate is longer.

Than there is the cultural difference. Elves are often portrayed to be in union with nature. But that slows down your expansion rate. Humans don't care if the habitat is somewhat hostile, they will find a way to feed them.
Cutting down a forest to create more farmlands, no problems for humans, elves won't do that. Steppes are impossible for elves to survive in or did you ever see an elven civilization with huge herds of animals? In contrast some of the greatest humans civilization originated in a steppe.

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>>51629007
>did you ever see an elven civilization with huge herds of animals?
You do what you gotta do

>>51619306
They're reclusive and more concerned with artistic and spiritual masturbation than discovery and conquest.

Alternatively, they are actually the super-race, and have all left their ancestor's gigantic old cities to hide in the forests researching the final magic ritual for ascending to a higher plane of existence. Worldly affairs are meaningless when your species is ten arcane equations away from ascending to godhood.

>>51627925
Off the top of my head, it was one emperor who kicked off a big exploratory push, using humongous ships large enough to comfortably fit the Nina, Pinta, and/or Santa Maria inside them.

After his death, his successor (on the advice of the court eunuchs/advisors), nixed the entire endeavor on account of the country allegedly heading toward bankruptcy and desperately needing to guard its own borders (and leaning heavily on the "nothing of value outside" rationale). So a number of unfortunate explorers came back to find their expeditions struck from official records and their lives basically wasted, and China's shipyards languished to the point where their comparatively advanced shipbuilding technologies were forgotten.

I'm pretty sure classical China got fucked because they were TOO successful in uniting the country, past the point where their bureaucracy and/or borders and/or costs could be adequately managed.

Aren't elves already the dominant race in Lord of the Rings? Middle earth is just one side of the planet, the other is nothing but elves.

Why do we always try so hard to make up reasons for elves to suck?

>>51629219
Actually, the real reason for that was that he distrusted eunuchs, and these expeditions were a eunuch idea. Yeah. Ancient China is not easy to understand.

>>51629254
It's more complicated than that. Basically, the other half of the world got moved to space because Numenoreans were really big pricks. That place is dominated by gods and elves just chill out there and wait for the end of time.

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>>51629267
Because we're human, we compete, we want more than anything to dominate.

When another species that is supposedly inherently superior or even similar to us, it makes us feel insecure in our power.

>>51620214

Humans strike the right balance between living short enough lives they work hard to get shit done while they can while at the same time living long enough they can pass that knowledge down to children and grandchildren while helping to raise them. Most lower races follow an r type reproduction strategy where they have lots of kids and parents don't really raise them nor do they pass down knowledge to the next generation.

>Elves are usually depicted as more longlived, more intelligent, more skilled and more in tune with magic than humans
>Elves invented contraception to gain benefits of sex without burdening themselves with childbirth

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This thread got me daydreaming new headcanons.

I'm imagining the ship of Theseus problem. That while elves are very long lived there is no such thing as true non magically assisted immortality, as we imagine it. That is the same person for eternity never dying. As I get older I notice I remember less and less of my childhood and forget things I never thought I'd forget. Imagine that stretched over centuries. Elves too start to forget things and change personality as the decades go on. While they might remember some stuff, eventually their own memories become incredibly abstract and dreamlike. They only remember the highlights of earlier decades or particularly traumatic moments. Self chronology is all messed up.

Mentally elves aren't actually that much longer "lived" than humans. Some extra elf memorization ability helps a little but it's not much better than humans and not nearly enough to compensate for lifetimes of dropped hobbies, daily memories, learned languages, etc.

Eventually at around 160 (two human lifetimes) all elves hit a point where they realize they are no longer at all the same person as they were at 20. This makes most elves suffer intense existential crisis. Where humans live in constant fear of death and try to escape it though legacy elves live in fear of (in addition to death) undeath. The horrible possibility that your incredibly long life was wasted and for nothing. That you lost yourself transforming into something else.

This makes them much more obsessed with self and proper living than world conquest.

>>51629347
But elves are not real, this is madness.

>>51629540
I imagine the different races deal with terrifying possibility of this undeath differently.

Wood elves:
They embrace it taking a kind of zen approach. Choosing to live only in the moment. They try to become like the trees or forrests they revere. Ancient in basic form but constantly changing, defined by their symbiotic relationship to their local territory. They become more like highly intelligent animals living unambitious lives immersed in local nature, day after day without deep burden of concern for the past or future. Their highest goal is a harmonious life in the present. Naturally this doesn't encourage world conquest or even basic civilization.

High elves:
They deal with it by embracing autism. Rather than facing the disturbing experience of forgetting all they knew every 200 years they stick to select few things and constantly paint over them with practice so they never forget. If an elf decides he makes a good archer than he's doing archery for the next 600 years. They constantly try to perfect their few chosen skills because what else are you going to do with centuries?

Like picking archery as your thing, they also try to pick and preserve their own personalities so they don't basically turn into a different person inhabiting their old body at 600. This two should be perfected because why not. This is why high elves seem so insufferable at times. They are constantly trying to live up to an idealized image of themselves. And if you're going to commit to one persona for centuries it might as well be a good and admirable one right? If an elf fancies himself a "lover of peace" then he figures he must try to be elf Gandhi.

Occasionally a young elf will go adventuring to try to burn in some intense memories, but most older ones fear young races because they can't match the repetition of elf friendships.

In short they are even more static than you would imagine. They are obsessed with stasis.

>>51629540
>Eventually at around 160 (two human lifetimes) all elves hit a point where they realize they are no longer at all the same person as they were at 20. This makes most elves suffer intense existential crisis.
Humans experience this too. It's called "mid-life crisis"

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>>51626725
>HOW DARE PEOPLE USE HISTORY FOR INSPIRATION FOR FANTASY

But having the elves be not!Japanese and not!Chinese makes a lot of sense to me, depending on how backwards you want your elves to be.

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>>51629510
>Implying elves can't just choose not to burden themselves with childbirth
That's a human weakness

>>51619306

My world fluff is that while Elves do live longer, no female Elf dreams of being an octo-mom. Plus, kids are expensive yo. Time, money, and all that jazz. Why do you think some couples say "After this kid, no more"?

>>51629719
I know this might sound crazy, but for once we could, in our fantasy, try to explain fantasy things with fantastical explanations instead of taking a directly history based approach. I mean they are non-human fantasy creatures.

>>51620663
This guy got it

>>51629540
You really overestimate how good human memory is if you think we don't deal with the same issues by age 50.

>>51629540
>>51629613
stealing all this ngl

>>51619842
So what happens when an Elf is born with ambition and drive?

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>>51629321
No, judging on the timeperiod, this makes sense - the enuchs had a lot of sway in the court since they were acting as middlemen for the Emperors, and were stealing power from the Emperors - it didn't help that one Emperor literally abandoned all his duties and refused to refill dead positions. But this still meant a lot of back and forth fighting, because the Emperors wanted to maintain control, and the enuchs weren't free of corruption.

And China was on the verge of bankruptcy around that point because of large amounts of spending and gift-giving to Imperial relatives to help get more money, and peasants were rioting under high taxes. And they even stretched what they had to the limit to try and protect Korea from a Japanese invasion. When the Chinese soldiers got back, the government couldn't afford to pay them, so many were disgruntled and took up banditry. That's about when the Manchu came south with the aim of restoring order, and partially why things remained so stagnant - even when the Qing dynasty had a century or two of prosperity, they didn't care to innovate or develop new ideas or ways of doing things - many Emperors spent their time quashing insurrections and preventing any Chinese from gathering in groups, and punishing wayward scholars. Say what you will about the Ming, but at least in the last half-century they were more liberal - the merchants and elite had enough freedom to criticize the government, and in a more peaceful time this might have actually brought about social change.

>>51629347

Qu please leave.

>>51619524
When you put it that way humans do come across as kind of obsessive about MOAR

>>51629758
Kids can start paying back their value with interest by the time they're old enough to work, and an elf woman can birth a village by the end of her lifetime if she can shot them out at even a similar rate to humans. Having a lot of kids could be a very reliable retirement plan for an elf matron.

Imagine your great great great grandmother was still alive and shaving off a portion of income from five generations of family purely by playing the "you wouldn't leave an old woman to starve would you?" card

>>51619671
I wasn't expecting that end anon, a sensible chuckle for you

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long. This isn't an excuse.
This wouldn't be an excuse if every elf nation ever lived in some kind of impenetrable time bubble with no contact with the outside world.

Add geopolitical conflicts in the equation and you end up with the elf nations being neighbors with greedy dwarves, violent orcs, ambitious humans and everything in between.

The elves being so good at master-crafting everything they own are an interesting target for pillage and all their neighbors know that which makes raids inevitable at some point.

Now, if skirmishes are to happen between the elves and lets say the orcs, casualties are bound to happen on both sides, which leads to the relevance of birth rates.

If the orcs can replenish their population faster than humans due to all the raping and pillaging they enjoy so much while humans can replenish their population faster that elves due to their biological aging working on different scales than the elves being stuck in a war of attrition against the orc nations could only mean the elvish population is going to diminish faster than it can renew itself while the orkish ranks remain sustained

>>51619306
HAHA, HUMANS AREN'T THE DOMINANT RACE IN MY FANTASY SETTING

>>51619306
its because everyone apes tolkien

in tolkien the elves were destined for doom or some shit ( in wfb(rip) they were busy recovering from unfucking the world every time humans did a stupid and from their edgy cousins)

>>51623002
>Half-elves
Speaking of half-anything really why is it always half human? Why is it never half-elf, half dwarf or half ork, half imp on anything of that nature?

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This is how to long lived race.

No (human) government in our world has lasted more than 300 years before a collapse, massive civil war and reformation into something else.

>>51628007
This. The milling masses of peasants that have made up the bulk of humanity since forever just don't care for any of that noise. Normal people do not have ambition, and it's a special kind of madness that we've convinced ourselves that the .001% of the population made up of ambitious lunatics and freaks best represents us as a whole

>>51629996
Because Tolkien didn't have those. Don't search for any other answer.

>>51629996
Because we don't care about it if it isn't human. We'll just make up some reason for why they're inferior and deserve to be oppressed/raped and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened to our own superiority

>>51619504

>nuke
lol
http://alcyius.com/dndtools/spells/book-of-vile-darkness--37/apocalypse-from-the-sky--131/index.html

>>51628473
Time spent complaining about the things you don't like is time that you could be spending improving the board.

If you really think that making upset noises at an OP does ANYTHING besides encouraging him to continue making the threads you dislike, you haven't been here long enough.

>>51630129
Do you really think that the time spend complaining about an anon complaing about OP is time well spend? Especially when it's such a relatively long post, where that anon can just say "OP sucks". You could write a post that actually contributes to the thread instead. Don't you know giving him (You)'s will only encourage him writing more?

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>>51629540

Then they pass on into undeath, as skellefey!

>>51619306
I generally make it where Elves are actually feared due to their superiority, and were once the 'Great Rulers'. Pretty much, everyone was tired of getting their shit kicked by Elves, so in a massive rebellion, Elves got reduced to shit status.

So Elves ARE best, but they are hated by everyone and are actively hunted due to their ancestors and the fact most elves are just bastards.

I hate the birthing meme. That would just imply that Elves are a cross-breed that wasn't meant to have children, like fucking mules or something.

>>51629984
>>51630029
Is Tolkien the goto guy for fantasy universes cause every answer usually revolves back to what he did. not to doubt the man i enjoyed LotR and Hobbit but he isn't the end all be all of fantasy is he?

>>51630301
I havent actually read a fantasy book that apes tolkien much. I only ever see it heavily done in games.

So I guess it's the goto if you're an illiterate pleb

>>51630301
He did a lot of things right and a lot of things were copied by him without the context why they are there to begin with.

>>51630301
He isn't the end all be all of fantasy, but he's arguably the birthplace of modern fantasy for a lot of people, and still well known today. He's not followed to the letter, obviously, but some of his ideas have become deeply entrenched in what most people think of as fantasy, and even if those ideas aren't his, most people blame him for decades of D&D and other works solidifying those ideas, when when he was writing those ideas were completely new.

>>51630483
>when when he was writing those ideas were completely new.
Not entirely honest. Most of his myth was mish mashed real world myth put together into something cohesive

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>>51626548
I take the Japan route as well.

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>>51630622

You mean they all suffer from crippling self esteem issues that drive them into the arms and groins of less races?

>>51630622
>>51630684
If you and the crusader-fags would finally kill themselves we would have good elf threads.

>>51622131
Whites are in the 'fall of the elves' period right now. Assuming that the Africans, Chinks, and Indians don't managed to commit mass suicide, they're going to inherit the earth eventually by virtue of their roach-like numbers.

>>51629857

You get Glorfindel.

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>>51619306
Humans have stronger genes and water down elven gene pools.

Only "pure bloods" are ultra racist minority group.

>>51619306
Elves have zero desire to conquer shit

Similar to battletech clans, while the average elf is superior to the average human, and only the best 1% of humanity can equal the top 10% of the elves, 1% of the human population far outweighs 10% of the Elven population.

Quantity has a quality all of its own. If you roll enough d20s you're guaranteed natural 20s.

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>>51619306
Because every elven success is always followed up by a fuckup of equal measure:

>Eldar
>Repopulate galaxy and become dominant species
>Fuck up reproductive system
>Do it again for the hell of it
>Make Slaanesh

>Get the best Psions, Arcane magic users, Warlocks, Sorcerors, clerics and what else, baelnorm included to make a massive fucking portal to see what exists outside their cosmology (Yog-sothoth connection omnisphere)
>Let in father Lymic and cause a Far Realm incursion, slowly unhinging the entire fabric of the universe since the first great old one passed through the astral sea during fission, causing the creation of Divine energy as a biproduct and the Aboleth species so long ago no one knows about it

>Seldarine creates the Elven species with their blood
>Makes the first vampire, Kanchelsis because they didn't pay attention to what he was doing
>Proceeds to cover up so hard the entire creation myth of mortal races has to be rewritten, assisted with the Shafting of Zarus and sucked so much dick to get this done it wasn't even funny, despite Kanchelsis never-ever doing anything whatsover, letting his domains get subverted by Orcus beign forgotten as he does nothing but run around his Scarlet Devil mansion all day harassing his worshippers.

>Be best Elven Highmage
>Netherse wizards beat you at everything you do with cheaper epic spell cost and Mythals before they got to OP and Karus got them nerfed
>Can only make shitty knockoff mythals now

Lastly, the Raksha worship the 40k Chaos gods, so the Elves are fucked when the warp drills through anyway.

Here's to the next fargate!

>>51619306
Because the Elven Cold War ended up going hot.

>>51631403
I like to imagine dwarves as sticking with what works and taking no risks, elves getting successes but also having failures in equal measure because they always put all their eggs into one basket, and humans as being a series of gambles that don't often pay off but occasionally mean great success.

>>51619330
NEONAZIS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51626617
You fight the good fight, teacher.

Elves are basically idealized white people. Tall, blonde, blue-eyed, extremely pale, long-lived and better at everything than the lesser races. Basically all flavors of elves (except Dark Elves) are some variation of what you would get if you went to the 1800s-early 1900s and asked a well-to-do white gentleman to make an ideal mary sue race. In fact, it could be argued that that's exactly what happened, and Tolkien was that well-to-do white gentleman. But post-Tolkien Fantasy is still pretty consistent with it.

Wood Elves are basically idealized "Noble Savage" pre-Christian Germanics. High Elves (especially D&D Gray Elves) are basically how a 19th century eugenicist would've pictured the perfect society and the perfect race (tall, immortal, very pale, fashionably frail but still super strong and super best master race living in isolated cities with rigid race-based hierarchies, carefully utilizing eugenics to only breed the most superior and racially pure among them while weeding out the lessermost, reading classical literature while being waited on hand and foot by untermensch slaves, with a small token military force to capture, brainwash, and enslave any untermenschen that happen to stumble upon their isolated settlement. Dark Elves are a different story, but then the whole point of Dark Elves is being different than High Elves.

The whole "elves are asian" meme is just blatant tardery parroted by idiots.

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long. This isn't an excuse.
but probably, Elvenchildhood is 8 times longer too then...

>>51622013

Go and read their army books. They all keep saying how elves are a dying race.

>>51626617
So is it white guys not understanding how difficult black kids have it, or setting up a system that's engineered for benefiting white kids? Is it because whites kind of expect everyone to go into the service industry or collegiate level jobs, and don't really leave enough room for solid, manual labor and factory work sorts of jobs anymore?

I'm a huge faggot and have no idea.

>>51626635
Is that a good book series? I just got a hold of it, but I haven't looked at it too closely. Seems to have a good female lead at least.

>>51633358
>affirmitive action

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>>51619306

This is literally a textbook example of "depends on the setting".

There are settings where elves are the dominant race.

In Warhammer they are the most powerful race on the planet and GW said they united elves would be strong enough to keep Chaos at bay forever. Ulthuan is also the most powerful nation of the world.

>>51633358
>and don't really leave enough room for solid, manual labor and factory work sorts of jobs anymore?
Those benefit everyone, not just the stupider sorts of people. It used to be that shitty fast food minimum waging was something you did while in high school and/or college and then you moved on to something better. Blue collar work used to be that "something better" for most people, but those jobs have been seriously cut back. Doesn't help that the existing demand for blue collar stuff is almost invisible to your average high school kid because all they hear about are degrees and medical field openings for nurse assistants.

If humans can dominate elves because muh desire for conquest and muh faster breeding then logically orcs should rule every fantasy world since eradicating all other races during stone age.

>>51619306
you know how africans have retarded birth rates?

now imagine you need literal magic to get into europe.

>>51619306
Elves tend to be happy with living in their small but comfy little kingdoms while humans are all about expansion.

>>51633358
It's that black people as a group have a lower average IQ for biological reasons.

Most white people don't realize this because they only interact with the top 10% of black people who are smart enough to make it to their level.

A big part of lower-class white "racism" is simply the product of their interactions with average black people, instead of a cherry-picked group.

The college bubble also hurts everyone. Degree inflation creates a feedback cycle that lowers the actual educational value while increasing the mandatory-for-work nature of a degree.

What used to produce engineers and elites has become a time-wasting work permit for the white collar sector.

>>51633460
>There are settings where elves are the dominant race
Like?

>>51633325

WHICH army books? Because if it's the 8th Ed Matt Ward ones, then you can pretty much discount them, Ward never pays any attention to the fluff in WHFB with his armybooks, and he would probably just assume they were a dying race because the Eldar are.

Like, if nobody bothered to out and out tell him the race wasn't dying, and given that we now know GW were actively about to kill Fantasy Battles off when they had him do those books, then it's unlikely anybody gave enough of a shit to proofread or playtest any of his shit and point that out.

>>51633486

The problem there is that Orcs have trouble running empires past a certain size due to infighting, whilst Human ones do a bit better.
Also, they're sharing a setting with Humans who are almost as good at conquest, but better at diplomacy so they can get other races involved more easily, whereas Orc tribes have to enslave other races like Goblins and Hobgoblins and can't really use them for more than cannon fodder as a result.

>>51633701
Like my setting

>>51634043
I like your setting.

>>51619306
>Even if their birth rates were 8 times lower than those of humans it wouldn't matter because elves live 8 times as long. This isn't an excuse.

Actually, you could easily use the birthrate explanation by saying that the ovulation period of elven women has very specific intervals to it. Because they live so long, their biology doesn't make them fertile as long or as often, so even if you did fuck them raw for half a year, it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't be able to get knocked up except during the one specific interval. It might not even happen every year.

But really, it's just a hack to explain why races are as they are in a lot of schlock fantasy, just like the hacked explanations settings give for few dwarf women existing due to a 3:1 gender ratio of children - yet make no attempt at integrating this into the culture.

They're not prolific fuckers, choosing instead to find love and nurture and keep it. Also they're less war torn and more secluded, else they'd be as mystical as a police officer.

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>>51619306
To busy making hippy art and shit then actually ding anything, Magic requires years of relentless training meaning no fucking, they probably don't really like it that much anyways, they are all sissys, magic is not infinitely usable, and they are always fighting with dwarves. And they are all so cocky that no one likes them.

>>51633460
But 'depends on the setting' is always a sucky answer, because it doesn't invite discussion and can be used for literally every occasion.

>>51633480
>building trades in the US are currently estimated to be short by about 3,000,000 workers.
>only abouy 1/4 college goers walks out making more money than a person in the trades
>half of all college loans aren't being payed off

>the gov's response to this is to cut vocational high school funding and to petion for more government spending on sending people to college for basketweaving degrees

When you take nearly a century to reach physical and mental maturity, usually that means that physical and mental wounds take a long damn time to heal.

Elves CAN live forever, and they're a bit more physically durable than humans, but an injury that would put a human on their ass for a month will take an elf years to heal.

It's also important to remember that Elves are Fae creatures. They're more magic than meat. Their, for lack of a better term, "Auras" are sensitive to changes in climate both magical and environmental. Wood Elves, High Elves, Dark Elves, all of these subraces are highly specialized for their habitats, and not by evolutionary means. They're magically attuned to their homes, and if those habitats are destroyed or drastically changed, they aren't able to just pick up and move. As the Groves of the Wood Elves fade away, the Wood Elves vanish with them.

>>51634317
Some things have been countered so often they aren't worth discussing

>>51634578
If elves' magic auras or whatever cant deal with drastic changes in environments, how did they adapt to so many different environments to begin with?

>>51634517
Yep. I basically stumbled into a trade job and it paid for itself in less than half of a year. Everyone else I still know from high school is either flipping burgers (Some with degrees) or have also gotten into the trades after trying to get a degree or work up in white collar.
Of course, we don't want it to actually go the way of medical. They flooded that job market and now CNA certification is worthless more often than not.

>>51634660
By design.

>>51634660
>drastic changes
Maybe the changes were just slow and gradual?

>>51634682
>we don't want it to go the way of medical

maybe not you, but as a 3rd person, one not going for a useless degree and one not in the trades, it would be nice if trades grew big enough to pop unions out of existence. it'd lower the cost of getting work done, which in turn would increase the amount of work demanded, in turn paying workers more and drawing more into trades and thus pushing it along even more

>>51634789
Not really. Work that can't be filled with cheap migrant workers generally needs to be filled with highly skilled professionals, who aren't cheap or common and never will be. Nobody is going to spend two decades mastering a craft just to accept the same pay as a human forklift.

>>51630005
San Marino has been around for near on 2 millennia, has never had a civil war, and has had the same type of government for centuries.

I mean, even their communist party got elected and left office after their mandate was over.

Switzerland is pretty stable too.

Denmark is pretty much the same now as it was 300 years ago, except with more money.

>>51619306
>8 times lower
There is no such thing as 8 times lower. It's 1/8th. If their birthrate was 1/8th that of humans.

>>51634879
1st
I'm well aware as to how much skill goes into these things, that's why they're -skilled- trades
I'd never reccomend a government enforce migration as a solution to anything for the same reason I'd never reccomend printing more money as a solution for something. it inflates a comodity, in one case, labor, in the other, dollars. the result is consistent, they become devalued and everyone loses

2nd
>falling for the no unions no high pay meme
the only thing unions are good for is backing people up with lawyers and shit.

3rd
I think you fail to understand the magnitude here, we are 3 MILLION workers short, we can afford to have people flood into the labor market to the unions dismay

>>51619306
They're the fantasy equivalents of transhuman entities: they operate on a whole different level, so the physical world is irrelevant to them.

>>51634707
This. Elves handled the transition from the Ice Age to modern climate just fine, but humans are an invasive species and have a tenancy to alter their own environment, intentionally or not. Wood Elves tend to be the most hostile towards humans because of deforestation.

Drow are actually the least hostile towards humans, because they live too far beneath the earth to worry about quarrying or mining from primitive human tools (they fucking hate dwarves though).

This is something of a mixed blessing, as humans are particularly sought after by Drow slave owners for their more...vivacious physiology. Drow find the more pronounced musculature among males, and curves among females, to be very attractive, and as such are the single largest contributor to half-elves on the continent.

Drow-derived Half-elves, or "Gray Elves" as they are sometimes known, are almost a subrace unto themselves at this point.

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>>51619374
Well, white people are going extinct, but if it makes you feel any better, there are more Arabs and Indo-Aryans than there are Chinese, so Caucasoids still beat out Mongoloids in population numbers.

But Arabs are barbarians and Indo-Aryans can't use the fucking toilet, so it's quite an inauspicious end, and the Asians would be on top of the heap due to not being retarded.

>>51635072
You shifted so easily into your magical realm it almost seemed natural

>>51635023
>the only thing unions are good for is backing people up with lawyers and shit.
And making sure you aren't being completely taken advantage of. Overtime, paid vacations, and sick time tend to fall off once the unions leave.

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>>51633701

I remember playing at least two.

Also, a lot of nip ones do it. Like this one.

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>>51635139
Within every world-builder is a bottomless abyss of fetish, my friend.

>>51635155
overtime is retarded, as is a 5 day, 40 hour work week. employers should be able to decide whatever the hell they please, if it's reallu so bad, people will just find a different job

paid vacations are a luxury, not a neccessity, a job can offer it to lure better workers. same with increased sick time. if an employer can;t afford to offer higher wages he can still get better employees by offering more sick leave

>>51635072
Your setting is shit

>>51635251
Try not to choke on that corporate cock.

>>51635251
>people will just find a different job

There's a difference between a Job and a Career, anon.

Oh no, the place I worked at for 22 years just decided they weren't going to provide me with health benefits anymore because the union shut down. Guess I'll just "Find a Different Job"!

>>51635284
>implying its my setting
I'm literally quoting another setting's lore, almost verbatim.

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>>51635211
>isekai
I don't know why this should invalidate what you posted, but I feel like it does.

>>51635251
You...you're trolling, right? You can't truly believe that

>>51635251
Labor costs are barely even relevant to most company's overheads. They could pay everyone twice as much without even blinking, if it weren't for greed.
And we've already seen for a fact what they do when they have free reign to do what they really want. People get taken advantage of and bled dry. It happens every time.

>>51635301
Then that setting is shit. Like really shallow, fetishy shit

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>>51635301
if you have 22 years of expirience you'll be rehired quickly

why would you want to work for the company that would treat you like shit the first second laws weren't stopping it?

hell, with 22 years of expirience why not start your own company with your expertise and accumulated savings?

>>51635326
wrong, most companies operate on abour 1-3% profit

>>51635325
you're talking to a free market monarchist fascist, faggot

>>51635357
>free market monarchist fascist
What an abomination you are

>>51635357
1-3% profit with less than 1% of overhead being labor costs.
it was the Papa Johns CEO who said that he could pay all of his employees twice as much, but he'd have to add an extra 25 cents onto the cost of his products.

Companies that pay more tend to do better anyway, because their employees are objectively more loyal and legitimately buy more product with their increased income, but short term profits are king to most companies, which means cutting everything they can to throw more at shareholders.

>>51619306
I'm sure someone has already posted this but, a lot like most other shitty fantasy clichés, it comes from writers trying to ape Tolkien without really understanding Tolkien. Shitty writers took the core idea of elves dying out and shoved it in without any of the context or thematic backing.

>>51635399
you fail to realize that keeping product costs low is extremely important for keeping up with competion that's trying to undercut you at every turn
luxury brands never outgrow their mass consumption rivals

and of course they want to feed their shareholders high profit reports, they could be plucked out of existence if those investors decided to seek greener pastures

shareholders moving from this to that are an important factor in the economy, investment allows small companies to compete with companies larger than they'd be able to on profits alone