Warhammer Fantasy General: Chaos Dwarves are underrated edit

Question about the Tileans Estalians and Border princes?.
They are more of a collection of independent states than a proper polity right?

What happens if they try and expand outwards - like towards the border princes or places in the badlands?

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>>51605207
Well, they don't have any particular reason to expand, but it would probably mean petty kingdoms getting sprouted up further afield, or perhaps colonies to a larger kingdom. You could have this happening for multiple kingdoms, but there'd be so much warring among them and with outside threats that it'd be hard to imagine them thriving, and the Border Princes especially are too weak to expand much individually.

>>51605207
Tileans and Estalians are a loose cultural region of independent city states and kingdoms
The boarder princes are the buffer states between the old world proper and the badlands, and they're always moving further south or being pushed back north in conflict with the green skins.

>>51605109
Still waiting for them in TW WH.

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>>51606746
I thought they weren't going to get in.

I imagine that some factions will have to get dropped, because it's just a huge world to have to try and deal with. You might be able to split it into theaters like with Empire Total War, but then that just doesn't feel as smooth.

>>51606858
CA has said they plan on including all the races that have or had army books, so Chaos Dwarfs are among them. If they don't, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone burn CA headquarters down.

I am painting a dogs of war army but apparently the flags were printouts only
does any of you guys have a pdf with the various colored regiments of renown flags?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858213115

>you can literally play on the tabletop.

>>51607284
That's cute as hell.

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>>51607340
plays well too.

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They are even routing off the table :3

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tilean armies filled to the brim with mercs are AESTHETIC as fuck.

>>51607592
its a real good mod, but it brings the question, is it possible to make it so the regiments of renown have a 1 turn cooldown minimum after being hired to prevent spamming

>>51606963
They said specifically the ones that were supported for 8th ed.
Though the datamining found that the map extends all the way past Zharr Nagrund which is curious.

I sort of need them to add Skaven and parts of the darklands just to make the current Dwarf campaign harder.

>>51605109
well, what can you say for a race whose main hat is a... hat?

>>51605317

ah man I was just a kid with no income when dat army was still around.
Real shame they squatted those Dogs of War, best army best armylist.

So much conversion potential.

so, Brets treat peasants like shit and foreigners with respect. why haven't any peasants trying bathing and learning some reikspiel to pass for Imperials? wouldn't work in big cities or with important nobles, but you don't need perfect reikspiel to fool some petty barons in backward rural castles. you can make a living traveling the countryside and pretending to be a travelling imperial somebody, guesting in every small castle you come across.

>>51608069

> Peasants
> Learning

>>51608115
good point
i don't know what came over me

>>51608069
They use selective breeding to keep the peasants dumb.

Looking at TW that has brought Vlad back, could Vlad be brought back in mainstream WHFB without Nagash fuckery?

>>51603730
I guess that it robs away some of the percieved nobility from the good guys. I like it.

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busty
halfling
barmaids

>>51608777
No.

>>51608725
Good guys in Warhammer never used to be paragons of virtue except in special cases (or elves... Even then not always)
It was part of the charm, a world with very human characters in it.

>>51608835
I get that. However, a lot of he later writer seemed to have a hero boner.

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>>51608820
Yes.

>>51608601
Mannlet was, despite being slain at Hel Fenn. Powerful vampires have VERY strong willpower, and can linger on even after death. There's a ritual spell in Night's Dark Masters that concerns returning such vampires to the mortal world.

>>51608870
You just want an excuse to post pages from Alfie, don't you?

>>51608871
yeah, but Mannfred's corpse was left in a bog and forgotten, all he needed was some crazy dude to give him some blood

Vlad was turned to ashes and I don't quite remember, but didn't they bury him in hallowed ground or something?

>>51608893
You may need a stronger ritual, then. Getting ahold of some of the ashes would be the main thing, and I tend to think SOMEONE must have grabbed a jar-o-Vlad.

>>51608899
hm... there are Lahmians among nobles of Altdorf, right?

>>51608893
I recall in the 4'th edition Undead army book he was ressurected by a half-botched ritual when Gotrek & Felix crashed a mad Necromancer's ritual at Castle Drakenhof. The ressurected Mannfred being brought back naked had to run and hide like a bitch. Gotrek even wounded him when he cut Mannfred's mistform with his axe.

>ancient Dwarfs devise the grudges as a deterrent against enemies
>"You hurt us, we'll hurt you more, whatever it takes, so think twice."
>instead of thinking twice enemies make a sport out of it


also, is it valid to call ancient dwarfs "cavedwarfs", seeing as they still live in caves...

>>51605109
>Dwarves
>Not Dwarfs

You had one job, anon, one job. But eh... it's too late for that now, I guess.

>>51609097
>Elfs

>>51609121
"Elves" is actually the plural of "elf" and "dwarfs" is the plural of "dwarf". "Dwarves" is a misspelling by Tolkien.

>>51608857
Oh yes, as I've mentioned here basically anything written after about mid 2000s drops in quality like a fucking stone.

There are good bits here and there but no respect for written lore and no subtlety at all characterises modern gw books.

>>51609186
>knives
>elves
>wives
>scarves
>DWARFS

>>51609201
Yes, and?

>>51609201
>Dwarfs
>Wharfs

>>51609121
Spankable ones.

Ratmen = Skaven
Lizardmen = Itzatecah
Beastmen = ????

>>51609201
Welcome to English.

>>51608955
Gotrek's axe had killed more important things than that mudblood.

>>51609219
>Dwarfs
>Wharfs
>ELVES

>>51609223
Beastmen = Baaaaaa

>>51609234
See >>51609224

why are they called LizardMEN? they have no beards and no balls (I mean literally. I know they are brave). they should be called Lizardfolk.

>>51609251
Because that's the name applied to them by Old Worlders. They probably didn't check for genitalia when attacked in the jungle.

>>51608925
Oh, definitely. There are Lahmians everywhere, but major cities especially. Hell, for a while it was speculated that Emmanuelle von Liebewitz was one, but it was confirmed false.

>>51609305
>absolutely everyone in Warhammer universe is either a Lahmian or a Changeling, all pretending to be various factions for their own ends

>>51609199
Yeah, that's how I feel about it too. The last fluff I remember that I enjoyed reading from GW was the 5'th edition Dark Eldar codex. It was like if Pat Mills sat down and told Phil Kelly what to write; word for word.

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>>51607284

Damnit guys.

I thought this was a mod that used the actual tabletop rules and shit and got super excited.

>>51605109
Source on those minis please? I may want to buy a box.

>>51609470
looks like Russian Alternative to me

>>51607633
you can only hire a maximum of 1 regiment of renown.

>>51609430
>Turn based rules in an RTS.

>>51609494
Whats their quality like? Those trolls are tempting as a painting project.

>>51609552
quality is top-tier, but many fine details means it can be fiddly to assemble and can break easily
also they are resin
other than that - some of the best minis I've seen

>>51609513

Yeah I thought someone modded it so it was a you-go-I-go turn thing, then when units hit they rolled and such.

I'm sure someone could do it.

>>51609609
>at every action giant dice roll on the battlefield, sometimes knocking soldiers down

>>51609625
Gotta watch out for the housecat.

>>51609121
Aelfs, Oruks

>>51609896
Shhh... You'll trigger them.

>>51609896
Don't you mean Aelfs™ and Orruks™?

why ain't Bretonnia got Holy Hand Grenade? it's such an iconic arthurian artefact.

>>51609224
And the reason English is insane is because it changes over time.

And an fs is very unpleasant to say

So I won't it I can help it

I wonder what design CA will go with for Chaos Dwarfs in TW:WH - the more recent Forgeworld models or the older GW models?

>>51610544
or nothing

I have a possibly stupid question about the second edition RPG,
one of my players for my first game rolled an elf apprentice wizard and I know that he gains the petty magic, but has he to choose one lore of magic like a human when he becomes a journeyman wizard or not?

>>51610544
probably the FW models.
I think SEGA is trying to make relic and CA work together more often now, since htey are going to focus on the PC gaming market.

>>51610608
Chaos Dwarfs have been confirmed for a long time mate.

>>51610848
so has been Dance Studio in WoW.
never trust video game devs. they all lie.

>>51610544
forge world, definitely

>>51610727
Assuming the wizard is attending the colleges of magic - yes.

Realms of Sorcery actually has very little to say on elven mages in the Empire that I can find. I assume Imperial-born elves can join the colleges in the usual way.
If they're from Ulthuan you can say they're learning their first wind and must master each before learning proper High Magic.
If they're from Laurelorn or similar - fucked if I know.

>>51611174
Thanks, I guess I will have him take his first lore at journeyman and let him pick another after master if he makes it that far, but I'm not sure if he has to attend the colleges since he comes from Marienburg.

>>51605142
Kewl!

>>51610727
Yes. Elves do NOT belong to the colleges and do NOT pay dues, but they can only learn one Arcane lore and one Dark lore (not that they should!). A PC wizard elf is basically a baby learning to say 'momma,' and it's only after the Wizard Lord career that they're ready to learn proper elven magic. That, however, is beyond the game's scope.

>>51610399
Because Monty Python isn't funny or interesting.

>>51611949
you must be french

>>51611962
Watch out, he might taunt you a second time!

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>>51611949

>>51609325
Isn't that what a changeling would say?

>>51612094
well, since i have a dick and balls, I can't be Lahmian, so I'm totally a Changeling

>>51612136
There are male Lahmians. They're rare but still exist.

>>51612161
what? oh god, I may have been serving a wrong master on wrong assumptions!

Hey Op you're an asshole. Now I'm considering doing a properly airbrushed Chaos dwarf display army.

Any one do decent bull centaurs or bulls you can attach the torsos to?

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>>51612161

Fabio is a prime example.

>>51608069
Gisoreux pretty much does that, only without actually trying to speak Reikspiel. You're forced to take a bath with two 'helpers' in most villages, just because it's hard to hide Chaos mutations if you're naked, but some people get by on Gisoreuxian nightly hospitality for a while.

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>>51609305
Sometimes I wonder how they get around. Don't people notice the unusual amount of pale ladies who tend to stay indoors unless it's dark out, and seem to have a bewitching effect on those around her?

>>51612219
Forge world has amazing bull centaurs but they are Fuck huge

Mantic has bulk centaurs but they are very, well, manticy.

>>51610297
Can't copyright Aelf, its been used many times before. Particularly by Ral Partha.

>>51612593
Not really. Being pale was stylish for most of history. Nobility often covered up or stayed indoors in the day.

Like a viking covered in jewelry, fat Dutchmen, or Chinese nobles with long fingernails. It means you aren't a laborer.

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>>51612678
Also meiko for blood bowl centaurs and scibor has a few as well

>>51612343
Either him or shota cat boys.

>>51612593
Nobility looks pale because they are too rich to leave the house. Everyone else will look like tanned leather.

>>51612926
I imagine there's also a lot of vicious rumours about everyone but the gossip herself being a vampire, so people lend the idea little weight. It's probably also furthered by vampires themselves to create a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario.

>>51612699
Then why did they bother to change the names?

>>51613473
Probably because they are being pretentious, but not in an entertaining way.

>>51613473
>>51613867
They're doing it in 40k to everything too.

They want to be notorious. You think of Orc, it could mean Tolkien, D&D, Warcraft, and so on. You think Orruk, they hope it ONLY means Warhammer. Same with Imperial Guard, it could be many things but there is only one Adeptus Something-um (fuck if I wanna look it up).

They can't copyright it, but they can become the only example of the trope name. They think that is good advertising.

Plenty of others have used Aelf and Aelves, but GW is sticking with it and making it a huge part of their thing instead of a handful of models released in the 1990's that only historians and hardcore collectors know.

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unpacked and painting away

>>51614450
But Warhammer is notorious for its standard fantasy setting. They even helped establish many its popular conventions.

Take Orcs, for example. They're never described as green by Tolkien or in early D&D. That's something GW came up with because they were trying to find a weird color to distinguish them from humans on the tabletop. Now green Orcs are the norm. Warhammer has been there from day one and people know it.

If they want to create an original fantasy setting, that's great, but it takes more than misspellings to do that. And if they do it at the expense of their existing material, they're not rebranding, they're destroying an asset.

>>51614986
>I come from the land down under

>>51615156
lel

>>51615011
I doubt most of the guys currently at GW care.

Its an IP to merchandise. Like Disney with Star Wars, but without a good business plan or interest in expanding.

>>51615316
Thing is, Warhammer is clearly popular when in the hands of competent individuals. CA has enjoyed the greatest sales of any Total War game with Warhammer.

>>51614450
It does turn out that people have shit taste, are easily impressed and Age of Sigmar seems fairly popular.

>>51607285

Nice, I'm not up to date with Bretonnian lore but green and red always reminds me of Christmas (or Hochland).

>>51614986

Anon I have no idea what I'm looking at here but I'm interested.

>>51615524
I'm willing to bet it doesn't sell as well as TW:WH.

>>51616003
It's also skewed as people picking up old kits that are rebranded as AoS products before they're given the axe.

How popular is 9th Age? I haven't play WHFB since 6th ed. and I was thinking of getting back into it.

>>51616240

Depends where you live I think. It's doing pretty well in the UK but I think most of the people who play are involved in some sort of tournament scene

>>51612593
You have to remember the time period. Most noblewomen would not be at all unusual for staying in all day. Nor would entertaining at night be strange. The real bastard are mirrors. Most people don't watch them like hawks, but Lahmians train to inconspicuously be in the frame for as little as possible.

>>51615524
Not in my neck of the woods. Nobody playa it here.

>>51616240
Popular in the PNW.

>>51615475
Because a) It's a fucking Total War game and b) It has fantasy elements in it. "Holy fuck Tom, it's total war with fucking dragons!" It also helps that the previous two games were beyond uninspired too by comparison of the other games. 95% people who bought it didn't give a fuck of WHFB.

>>51616552
I seriously doubt that. Steam forums are full of Fantasy fans before and after release.

>>51616572
And about 2/3 of them are poser-fags. Seriously, there was even a guy who didn't know about dark elves (or that they worship Slaanesh- an FUCK 7th ed for saying otherwise)

Also, steamforums are a cancerous pot of braindeadmorons.

>>51616696
You seem quite triggered and ready to dismiss evidence that you are wrong.

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>>51616572
Not that guy, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the people who would head onto the Steam forums, or the Total war forums, to talk about it are pretty new to the whole thing - new converts because of the game and trying to understand how this strange new world works, new to the universe and getting into the game because of that interest, etc. We have no real guarantee that most of the people who bought the game, let alone some, were WFB grognards finally given a chance to enjoy their hobby again.

And even then, does that really mean that WFB would be more popular if it was managed by someone else? CA is just building off of what GW already put down, and their baseline for doing well is not fucking up. That's all that most fans want these days - a fun game, and not fucking up the lore. It's not a high bar to reach. But CA would not be the people to go developing new things - they don't do that. They take already existing historical periods or fantasy settings to make into games for a reason. They are not the people I'd trade WFB off to.

>>51616696
But only a small part worships Slaanesh.

>>51616795
But those are the exact people who started Warhammer. They took existing historical things and made a game around them, which was just trying to sell D&D minis.

The guys that ruined Warhammer were people who grew up with it.

>>51616820
Don't bother. Its not Thorpe's approved way of playing the game, so its wrong to...some people.
The kind that get arrested over Sonic's arm color changing and attack a Gamestop over it.

>>51616859
So what do you suggest? We pass off WFB every so often to a new company that doesn't care about it?

It's not that GW didn't care in the beginning - they were a bunch of history nerds and hobbyists as much as people running a corporation. They legitimately cared, at least at one point.

CA, it's hard to argue if they do care. I think they're enjoying themselves since they can move beyond what was just in actual history, but they wouldn't worry about the setting once they get it all in the game just right. That's not their business - the lore is just a guideline for the game for them.

>>51610942
>chaos dwarf related files already in the game.

>>51616859
CA devs grew up playing WHRP.
Mike simpson literally said they took the RPG elements for Medieval TW from their WHRP sessions.

>>51616998
Better than leaving it with a company that doesn't care about it.

The explosion in Warhammer ripoffs like KoW and fan projects likeT9A, as well as companies like TMS and Raging Heroes shows the only people who give a fuck are those not currently in charge of shit.

>>51616998
Judging by the videos they've put out they do have some genuine fans on their staff. And so far they've done a decent job adhering to the lore. Not saying they would keep it up if they had free rein but there's also no evidence that they would fuck it up massively. Certainly nothing on the scale of End Times.

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>>51612593
In the real 16th and 17thC, rich women would wear masks of velvet or paper, along with giant hats, longs gloves and crepe veils, to maintain their pale skin.

I am sure in the Warhammer world, they wouldn't even blink.

Think of an imperial province. Got it? Now you're it's Elector Count.
Now how do you go about getting elected Emperor and breaking the unfair advantage of Altdorf? Unless you use it to your advantage.

>>51616495
It's the only relevant fantasy tabletop in my town.

>>51617671
Sorry to hear that.

>>51617808
I heard some people wanted to get the 9'th Age started, but I really didn't want to play anything similar to the 8'th edition. Kings of War would be more my speed, but I think that's also not a thing here.

>>51617837
Well, you can be the start to a community. Run demo games and such. Or go with T9A.

For what its worth, T9A is a nice hybrid between 6e and 8e to me.

>>51617649
Every Emperor since 2429 has been a Holswig-Schliestein and Elector of Reikland. So that's going to be tough.
However, if we go by The Enemy Within (Huge spoilers): The Crown Prince and heir, Wolfgang Holswig Abenauer, is a mutant. So really all that needs to happen is for Karl Franz to die.

>>51617932
How is it similar to 6th (best) edition?

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Alright GW, put your loremaster pen where your mouth is.

Propose something to do with a reintroduced Warhammer Fantasy. It can be new or old, but has to sell something. It can use old models, need new models, be a book, or be an excuse to sell things like t-shirts the same way Blood Bowl is.

You can retcon, add old lore, do whatever.

Show us what you've got. It just has to be something fans will like that will make money.

>>51618066
It is bringing back a lot of 6e concepts like Bloodlines and alternative army composition. Low pop armies are actually possible and decent. Magic isn't OP.

They're slowly adding more and more each update, but in general the game is morphing to a point between the two. Apparently they are going to fix the Skaven complaints.

>>51618155
And what elements from 8th does it retain? Do the two styles function well together?

>>51618127
Let it die and make something new but similar instead.

>>51618202
Get out

>>51618195
Basically every model added after 6e having rules, other than Forgeworld stuff and Nagash and the Glottkin. They said those may come later.
Plus you still can make a horde army easy if you want, its just not better than other choices.

I'm sure there's other things, but that's what is major and stands out to me.

>>51617932
I dunno, that sounds like more effort than I have time for.

>>51618202
Then that's without substance, and a pale shadow of the original.

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>>51618127
Mordheim/realm of chaos esque game set in troll country.

>>51618396
I feel that before the End Times that there was not much else about the setting that could develop naturally. It seems logical to start something new.

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>>51618127
Sexually reproducing Orcs. Pig-faced Orcs.

Knowing how nature works, the Old One solution to Orc infestations was to create a natural predator. Pigs hunt and eat fungus, these Pig Orcs hunt Orcs. Orcs outbreed them unfortunately.
Pig-faced Orcs are a Dogs Of War force that have similar stats and options as Orcs, but have Hatred: Orcs & Goblins. They cause Fear to Orcs & Goblins.

We make models for them. Also, we bring back Dogs Of War.

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>>51618127
Do we know how well the starter sets sold? Were they making a loss on them?
Because it seemed like they were one of the most popular items, and not just for new players.

I'd bring back mini-campaigns like Terror of the Lichemaster, The Tragedy of McDeath or The Grudge of Drong. But put them in a set like The Island of Blood.
Provide the characters from the campaign, enough units for you to play it in a bare-bones way and then encourage people to buy a couple of extra sets to fill out the forces.
Oh, and stick some whole new units in there. Do Zombie Pirate vs Lizardmen. Or the Arabyan Crusades. People will buy the whole set just for the new minis. And you can cover ground you weren't previously able to without making a whole new army.

>>51618430
That's like saying you should tear down Forgotten Realms.

You advance the setting, you don't destroy it. It still has the same factions.

>>51618485
Get your hentai monsters out of here.

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>>51618526
Sorry you don't like oldschool Orcs.

>>51618430
What's needed to develop? You could probably have a lot happen if you were willing to move a little slower, but the setting is solid as it is and doesn't really need anything new.

And when you start something new, unless you're creating a 'story,' it's going to be the exact same thing over again.

>>51618652
If I were to recreate it I would remove elves and dwarves.

>>51618682
So...a historical wargame with furries, scalies, and edgelords.

Sounds like a bad webcomic.

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>>51618705
Don't forget the Orges, but yeah, what the fuck? Why not just take away Humans while you're at it, and all the Undead? You're casually stripping away other important parts of the setting, and not like humanity would survive on its own.

>>51618705
I would probably remove Skaven and Lizardmen as well. Beastmen can stay.

Honestly, the only faction I would remove outright would be the lizards, who I always found very tiresome.

>>51618757
So scat furries, humans, edgelords, and >>51618731 inflation/weight gain.

>>51618598
source? Cannot find it.

>>51618846
Elf.
http://elf-comic.thecomicseries.com/

>>51618846
http://elf-comic.thecomicseries.com/comics/4/

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>>51618127
*As >>51618155, with a focus on each army being capable of multiple formats for personalization (bloodlines, provinces etc).

*Bring back the scaling narrative campaign options, with Warhammer Skirmish being mixed with the various racial warband games (Path To Glory, Knight Quest etc), which can then be used in your army, in games growing in points cost to full battles and even sieges.

*Bring back and clarify the siege, naval battle, and other optional scenario rules.

*Bring back dogs of war.

*Condense Beasts, Warriors and Demons back into one chaos book.

*Reintroduce and support mordheim and WHFRP 2(.5)ed.

>>51618485
>>51618598
You know pig and boar beastmen are just as common in cannon as the goat beastmen, yeah? Feel free to have your own special snowflakes, who are convinced they are "real orcs".

>>51618938
Beastmen are Always Chaos. They can't be anything else or tbey'd be Broo.

>>51618967
I was under the impression Broo were Glorantha-interpretation chaos as well, with even more rape and mutation.

Besides, his fursona-force is just as mistaken about not being chaos as they are mistaken that they are orcs. Poor, crazy beastmen...

>talk of removing factions

Blasphemy. At most, some needed to be remade. Chaos Warriors ought to have been redone in a way that stressed "chaos" more than "evil warriors". In Mordheim, cultists are rewarded with mutations. An army of mutants with unique "gifts" and encased in impossible to forge, organic seeming armor would be my suggestion.

>>51618430
>barely half the world ever gone into in detail
>wanting story progression when the point is making your own story
Get out pleb
>>51619053
Chaos should have been reworked into "chaos" instead of "specifically chaos worshiping northern barbarians".

>>51619033
Broo tend towards Chaos, but their gods are dead and they can shift towards anything they want. Most are stupid barbarians but they can be educated and make a choice.

That doesn't work in Warhammer because Chaos is the default end of all things. You either side with it, are corrupted by it, or die pointlessly. So Beastmen are born Chaos. They have literally no choice and can never be anything else.

>>51619278
The Glorantha setting never really interested me anyways, so I didn't know much past the "chestbursting rape-beastmen" part.

I'm honestly surprised there's not more beastman porn.

>>51619204
I dunno. Warhammer Asia doesn't sound interesting.

>>51619326
Broo are more complex than that.
Beastmen are basicaly just a super super simplified version of them.

>>51619383
Furries mostly like Skaven. Almost all Fantasy porn is ratbutts. The rest is Chaos that was probably meant as 40k, and a tiny amount of Lizardmen. plus like six of Kerillian, two Alarielle, and two female Slayers. Also a Shia Blood Bowl comic.

>>51619456
I feel like this is an untapped market.

Then again, we don't even have canon images for half the fuckin' Elector Counts, including one of the most important ones in the Empire.

>>51619387
Because it's not fleshed out dingus.

>>51619594
Fantasy Asia has already been done to death.

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>>51618485

Urgh God, not you again.

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>>51618127
warhammer apocryphal: a book or a series of books recollecting the various events, characters and beings of the old world; albeit mostly accurate and detailed, the narrator is an in setting pov that somehow had access to large reservoirs of knowledge (it may be a voyager who lost himself in the chaos wastes and ended up in tzeentch libraries, a scholar from the age of sigmar piecing together the world that was or a transcription of the words of an oracle in some forgotten ruin of the old world, or all these at once if the books are made to look like an eterogeneous collage); the twist of these collections is that there're multiple versions of the stories, with insight into possibilities, alternative explanations, more plothooks and discussions about the nature of the warp, time and fate itself, presenting the various versions as all existing with the same weight in the multiverse.

this series of books is to recollect decades of fluff and artworks, best accompanied by parallel booklets with interviews with writers, artists and designers about the subjects in the respective book.

game wise to each book there're game manuals detailing rules for making your own ramificated campaigns on the possibilities presented in the background book, with examples of scenarios and a sets of rules for the models and various heroes in many of the alternative settings development of the book (eltharion the grim and the blind spring to mind)

>>51619621
Everything Fantasy has.
You basically can't pave new ground.

But China is almost entirely untouched in wargames. You can't even find proxies for Cathay.

>>51619621
More than fantasy europe?

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>>51619635
>Space Marines

100% disgusting

>>51619643
Only in generic fantasy.

>>51619648
Fantasy Asia is just more tacky.

>>51619637
especially interesting would be the possibilities of temporally and spatially displaced models and factions, like long dead orc warlords making a reappearance to try and claim the title of once and future git, or primordial versions of the mortal realms being introduced in one version of history as warp-realm-like lands created by the collapse of the winds of magic into the webway with the great catastrophe and later colonised by the various races or even future factions like the dawi drakks or the angels of sigmar's storms making brief appearances in some chain of events.

the books may be followed by made to order reruns of old models or various sets of characters and units in the new triumvirate formula


in short: a big series of books to have fun with what if's and loose canon

it could even follow AoS rules as long as there're expansions to reintroduce older mechanics in some ways, or alternatively rehash a 9th edition or run the various scenarios on indipendent rules set inspired by the types of standalone boardgames GW is making

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>>51618202

No, he said it has to be something fans like and makes money...

>>51618127

Bring back Mordheim but make it a more general skirmish game that all 15 factions can be a part of.

Old fans can buy the new plastic Sisters of Sigmar and Chaos Carnival and new players can use their existing models or start a Fantasy army without having to buy 10 boxes of Skeleton warriors... for one regiment.

It was so fucking simple GW.

>>51618501

It would be cool to see Warhammer go back to the days of 1st to 3rd edition with much smaller armies.

They could tie it to WHFRP or something IDK.

>>51619711
>especially interesting would be the possibilities of temporally and spatially displaced models and factions, like long dead orc warlords making a reappearance to try and claim the title of once and future git, or primordial versions of the mortal realms being introduced in one version of history as warp-realm-like lands created by the collapse of the winds of magic into the webway with the great catastrophe and later colonised by the various races or even future factions like the dawi drakks or the angels of sigmar's storms making brief appearances in some chain of events.

You literally described AoS.

>>51619810
that was the intention, yes

>>51618127
Karl Franz wakes up in the shower and realises it was all a horrible dream.

Warhammer: Age of Cheesedreams.

i'm looking at running a hinterlands campaign, and i was wondering how you think this ability should resolve over the course of multiple games.

I imagine add to his total wounds, but reset to his norm after the game, right?

Blessed with Vitality:
Each time the
Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer successfully casts
a spell, roll a dice. If the result is 4 or
more, he heals a wound. If he already has
his full number of Wounds, add 1 to his
Wounds instead

>>51619383
It'd probably most appeal to the same people that like satyrs, which edges more into furry but most satyr-lovers would hate the goat heads.

Then again, I feel like both Warhammers as a whole have a lot of unexpressed potential for porn.

>>51619635
Why does no one ever post rogue-trader tier art of WFB? Has it just been lost to time?

>>51609508
at a time yes, but if the regiment dies (or if you kill the ai's, they can chain turn after turn of the army literally being "leader- + all ror units"

>>51619687
Wuxia is tacky.

Historical fiction is not.

>>51619966

Well we have a near complete scan collection.

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>>51619966
because it's nearly impossible to find online and since it wasn't nearly as wacky people don't care enough to rip the images from the pdfs of the old books.

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>>51619966

>>51620077
Tony Ackland>all.

>>51620089
>by grugni, how horrific

>>51620089
I miss it when it was cool for fantasy to shit on Asians.

>>51620318
That's not Asian in any way.

>>51620331
That Orc looks like a fucking Chinaman with bad teeth.

>>51620318

Looks more reptilian.

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>>51620089
While today it's pic related.

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>>51620166

>>51620348
Not really. He has a viking hat and a pig nose.

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>>51620366

> When your GM tells your GW will never shit on you again.

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>>51620385

>>51620420
That's what Asian orcs looks like. Check wih Japan.

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>>51620475
That's also Warcraft 1 Orcs. As well as Warhammer.

Pig nose, tusk, green, angry red eyes, horned helmet are the standard trope.

>>51620479

A guy made some of those into models on kickstarter.

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>>51620500
Yeah, Ackland designed a all of the original Chaos for GW but because they only hired him freelance they didn't own the rights to his designs. That's why the second gen Daemon minis look so different. He owns the concept to the first designs.
Now that GW shat the bed on IP, he dug out all his old Chaos stuff that was in the old Warhammer supplements and is making dosh off people selling minis of it.

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>>51620385

>>51620555

I see, smart guy keeping the rights. I wanted a model of the woman with the scorpion tail but I don't know if he plans to sell them separately after the KS.

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>>51620555
I should have bought that

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>>51620443
Honestly, I wondered that when WFB died. Why did people care so much that GW dropped it? They hadn't been doing much with it before End Times, and now it can be stable forever...

>>51620578
>>51620601
Yeah, they're still fulfilling KS orders. They'll go for sale after.

Look up Realm Of Chaos on facebook. The first painted ones for store images are appearing.

>>51620614

If only those cunts had given us a hardback for Skaven, Brets and Beastmen.

>>51620670
This.

Lazy fucks didn't even finish two whole editions.

>>51620614
I think it was mostly principle for me. I had fallen out of love with the setting after the Storm of Chaos.

>>51612678
I love how fuck huge those bull centaurs are

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>>51620578
He probably would have sold the rights if they asked.

GW flipped when they found out they owned the rights to very few designs they'd been making stuff for since they only hired freelance since its cheaper. They shitcanned everything not released yet, which was Malice and Kaleb Daark, and ordered a redesign according to lawyers saying what was different enough.

That's why Daemonettes don't look like this anymore. They lost the long tongues, long teeth, and alien eyes. On the plus side Diaz Daemonettes replaced them. On the downside, we got the current ones that look like banshee elves.

>>51620839
I get the feeling that GW is just one long string of poor judgement even when they used to be great. It's impressive that they have lasted this long.

>>51620985
Back then they turned bad decisions into good new directions. They avoided formula. What worked worked, what didn't didn't. That's why they did crazy shit like fund a heavy metal tour, and wanted a television gameshow about 40k. Physical stores to play games in was once a revolutionary idea that they had and worked so well it became the norm.

That's why AoS sucks. Its literally playing as safe as it posdibly can with no risk. The same direction 40k is moving in fact. Aelfdar as one faction, siding with the Imperium. A legit threat to Chaos but not really.

>>51620614
The only asset of value gw really has is their IP
Seeing them fuck that up is sad

>>51621081
I'm not really impressed with what they are doing in 40k. It's lazy shock drama with little substance.

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>>51621081
I can understand why they're doing that, because the company fucked up its reputation pretty bad, and an about-face wouldn't help things. Not that I think even the somewhat better leadership nowadays would do that, but they're trying to salvage and solidify their position. Probably realized they don't have the same weight to throw around anymore, and right now they're so bogged in making sure they don't slip again, they can't experiment, only try and consolidate.

>>51621166
Exactly. There are no stakes.
Everything ends, by the way here's some piecemeal lore that mostly just sets up the next bit of the story and some simple art with a new model or two.

Its End Times 2. But now people know whats coming. Even if they don't end 40k, they can Storm Of Chaos back to status quo.

They basically taught their fanbase to not give a shit.

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>>51621166
It's not like the model quality is getting higher either.

GW's sculpt quality just isn't worth the price anymore. The only think that keeps 40k alive is that's it's much harder to make knock offs for

>>51621265
Whoever that hack that keeps putting swirly shit on everything is needs to have his hands broken.

Everything he makes is trash.

hey guys is it just me or is AoS getting more popular recently?

>>51621388
It probably is
Wrong thread by the way

>>51621410
whoops sorry. please ignore my post

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>>51621297
They've just been over-detailing models in general lately. Look at the new Raptors - these fuckers have more golden squiggly trim shit than actual armor.

>>51621388

It's just you.

>>51621459
how do these engines work with teeth inside?

On last thread's subject of a 'Skaven Vader,' assuming a Grey Seer had the connections to have a subordinate upgraded following an "accident," could he get away with doing it to an apprentice white rat, or would such actually be considered too far even by Skaven standards?

>>51621195

I'm almost 100% convinced that Warhammer Fantasy will rear its head again in some form.

We'll all probably be disappointed though. It'll probably just be a throwaway book to test the water with the models that are left.

But I think AoS taught them some valuable lessons in humility.

>>51621459
They don't look so bad though.

>>51621506
Grey seers fuck over grey seers all the time
Non grey seers fuck over non grey seers all the time

>>51621555

Well it would generally be considered a punishable offence to fuck over a Grey Seer, they're about the only sacred thing in Skaven society.

So they just fuck them over in secret usually.

>>51621574
I wouldn't say grey seers are sacred, just powerful. Other skaven treat them nice because they're terrifying.
Fucking over anyone is a punishable offence if they find you out.
Who's going to punish a grey seer for doing something to a subordinate grey seer?

>>51621542
I prefer the old raptors, but you're right, they don't look that bad.

But it just looks rather weird with Gulliman. Probably because the swirls make me think Chaos.

>>51621596

The council of thirteen if he's not on it.

>>51621166
My hand is hovering over the eject button if they merge Eldar.

It'll be another smash and grab to get as many 7th edition codexs before they pulp them.

>>51621600
I think Girlyman is mostly his because of his terrible proportions and face sculpt.

It's more fundamentally bad than the surface detail

>>51621669
They already did. Or at least destroyed the homes of both.

>>51621537
>But I think AoS taught them some valuable lessons in humility.
I'd put more stock in this if they weren't doing the exact same thing all over again with 40k.
What was that thing about the definition of insanity?

>>51622613
"If you break even somehow, do it twice as hard twice as much?"

>>51621998
Nah, only Biel-Tan's been affected so far.
And it wasn't so much "destroyed" as the population disagreed over what they should do, so some joined with the Ynnead cult and some chose to go their separate ways.

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>>51621682
At least he has the helmet option.
Still, nothing will beat his Forge World model.

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I know WFB discussion is slow, but do we have to rely on 40k talk to keep the thread bumped? I get that it's hard to get half-decent 40k discussion with every anon and his mom piling into a thread the moment it starts up to shitpost and argue, but come on.

>>51621148

Thissssssssssss

>>51623968
eh anon, no one ever replies when I post my painting wips and try to talk about wfb. I tried for months but no interest.

Everyone is far too busy talking about what once was and arguing semantics like 6th ed superior, no 2nd, no 1st, no x.
every thread.

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>>51624388
I liked the WIPs - probably even saved a few of them. I just didn't reply because I didn't have much to say. I'm no good as a painter.

Kinda miss when every so often I'd see WFB on the WIP threads.

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>>51624388
Then post, nig. I don't see why you can't talk about WHFB, that goes on all the time until the local idiot comes by to push his very wrong fluff or an AoS poster tries to stir up shit.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Grufflock/videos

Guy reads short stories, including Warhammer stuff. It's pretty decent.

>>51616240
Here in France KoW is more popular, I don't think there's much of a community for t9a, at least in my city.

>>51615732
I want to give all of my knights a different heraldry. I'm not the best at painting and I don't even play brets, but those minis were cheap as fuck and I've always wanted some brets.

>>51621388
If anything it's getting less popular here

Need WHFRP 2e advice

Frequently my players complain that they will do like 7 wounds to a character and witness no effects because the NPC is not in criticals yet. This is particularly a problem when they shoot fleeing enemies in the leg and mechanically they don'the even slow down.

Do I need a house rule for this?

>>51621265
Robout looks overdesigned, the over the top proportions of his sword gives him a poor symmetry and his pose makes him look undignified.

It's not like modern GW has a lot of dignity anyway.

If I do an all out attack and get Ulric's Fury do I test the followup to hit roll against my unmodified WS or the WS following the all out attack?

>>51617042
>not knowing how often there are bits and pieces of stuff planned but unreleased in games

>>51621265
he also has Joffrey Baratheon's face

>>51621388
sadly, yeah. just like mobile games are more popular than AAA video games. today people want quick gratification with zero thought, effort or immersion.

>>51624419
he looks like Grendel from that CGI movie

>>51623627
this model is kinda crappy too, strictly speaking.
but that may be because of subject, rather than execution.

>>51621608
I suppose he could argue that he saved his apprentice rather than deliberately crippling him to use him as an attack dog.

>>51626270
Your PCs need to use things like smoke weapons and Strike to Stun.

>>51626440
When confirming a Fury, all original modifiers apply in RAW.

>>51626270
At half wounds start doing 1st level critical damage

since I hate fleshy undead, I decided to represent my zombies by mummies - simply withered skeletons wrapped in wraps.

how retarded is this idea and how can I make mummies look not!European instead of khemrian?

>>51617567
I am very convinced now that the masks would be skull masks just because WH and empire.

>>51627224
It's fine, make them have brown and rotten flesh.

Look up bog bodies for example

>>51627240
dessicated brown - maybe, rotten - heck no. i hate rot and stuff like that, that's the whole point

>>51627245
>>51627224
Maybe as scarecrows ?

>>51627224
Look up other nations' mummification rituals. You might also consider depicting them as bog mummies or such. For what it's worth, I tend to like mummified zambinos myself.

>>51627287
not even mentioning the fact that legion of scarecrows would look stupid, since scarecrows are normally solitary things, and the fact that scarecrows are childishly spooky instead of being seriously dark, there's the fact I can't greenstuff so many pumpkins, my sculpting skills are really low

>>51621506

We already have fucking Skaven Vader, it's Ikit Claw

>>51624388

To be honest, we have a WiP general

>>51628050
Isn't he the incompetent who's just really good at stealing credit for stuff he didn't do?

>>51628319
what? no. he learned a lot of stuff from Chaos Dwarfs and rebuilt Skryre forges in Skavenblight, apparently making the clan the real industrial powerhouse it is today.

>>51628354
Ah, who am I thinking of, then?

In any case, I'm thinking of a dude who hews closer to the Vader archetype: basically a violent, dangerous thug on life support.

>>51628411
Morskittar, who stole credit for the moon cannon in End Times? Thanquol? Queek's boss?

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>>51627342
Why not have them with cloth masks rather than pumpkins ?

>>51628439
Probably Morskittar, I know it was a Skryre boss.

100% this

your favourite faction gets Chaos Dwarfs-grade Nice Hats
how much more awesome does your faction get?

>>51628731
Tomb kings already get awesome hats

>>51628965
they can have hats on top of their hats

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>>51628731
>mfw Empire finally gets all the flavors of 2hu hats.

>>51628050
Vader was not an engineer.

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>>51628731
Already a thing.

>>51605109
I'm not familiar with wfb. Mostly just followed GW for 40k. But were Chaos Dwarves a forgeworld only thing, or did they ever have releases straight from GW (plastic kits and metal packs)?

>>51629445
Oldhammer straight from
GW. They sort of squatted them, resurrected them as Forgeworld but with 1/4 the character.

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>>51628731
>Bretonnia gets awesome hats on top of their ornate helmets

They go from being awesome, but backwards and naive, to awesome, but amazing and the pinnacle of gentlemanliness.

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>>51629445
They used to be gw, the second two images in the thread are old official models. There was just a time period where they were neglected

>Ikit Claw is tall and white-furred, always a sign of distinction and power amongst the Skaven.

What did the Horned Rat mean by this?

>>51629956
HR is white and has horns. So similar Skaven must be da best.
Black is rarer than the rest. So it must be second da best.

>>51629956
It's probably so that the Horned Rat can designate some people who will be in charge. White fur is rare, so there won't be too many and too much infighting between them, and that means that they won't just throw every skaven in as skavenslaves and have to have to fight their way to the top like Orcs or Goblins - Skaven are too short-lived for that to be feasible, and the backstabbery that would occur before and after taking charge (since the position is free to anyone who can take it) would ruin the race.

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>>51628731
>tilea gets tophats
chaos gets fucked.

>>51629175
He was a mechanic, though, and built a Droid.

>>51629956
It's the same with Lizardmen. Coincidence?

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r8

>>51619739
>>51618501
These posts have the right idea. Older players can still use their miniatures, newer players are attracted by lower cost of entry.

They could also release the rules for large scale battles online, so the main skirmish game could be used to attract people to the traditional large scale game.

>>51620501
This is what Chaos Warriors should be like.

>>51630589
He could throw existing parts together, but couldn't get fancy or design anything new. He didn't build his own hand or suit.

He's really just a pilot who can do repair work.

>>51630857
>He didn't build his own hand or suit.

He was kinda indisposed at the time...

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How can blowpipes match or defeat armor, let alone daemonic things?

>>51631299
It usually can't unless the poison manages to take hold.

>>51631299
They shoot through the gaps in armor and the poisons are from creatures artificially engineered to be dangerous to everything. Lustrian tree frog venom is strong enough to cause a daemons blood to boil, mentioned right in their rule book. A changer of ways got completely BTFO by chameleon skinks and blowpipes

>>51628319

Confirmed canon Ikiti inventions are the Warp Lightning Cannnon and the DOOMWHEEL

Also he has prophetic abilities, and he is the mastermind behind the Skryre. It's been hypotized he's actually a grey seer renegade, but it was never confirmed

>>51631872
Sounds more like Sheev.

Vader is the dragon. The muscle.

Queek is Vader.

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>>51631798
So, what about rocks?

>>51631947
Bel'acuck btfo

>>51631930

Yea, but Ikiti is the masked, maimed, black-clad imposing skaven wielding an electric two-handed weapon that fuses armor

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>>51631971
Sounds more like Doctor Doom.

Does 9th Age require the use of cards like 8th ed?

>>51632423
No. 8e didn't either.

>>51632423
It had cards as a novelty so you could slap a vortex spell card next to an enemy unit you want to make disappear. They weren't required.

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>>51632495
how is Zweihander?

Should I play that or WRFP 2E?

>>51631872
Considering his head is maimed, that could be. But why go renegade?

>>51632681

Because a Grey Seer operating outside of the normal hierarchy would've been crushed by the others pretty easily

>Orcs & Goblins
>52 units

>The Empire
>39 units

>Bretonnia
>17 units

why

>>51633341
Lots of greens kind subspecies and groups.
Easy to make Empire stuff.
GW didn't give a shit about Bretonnia after 6th.

>>51633341
Because its hard to think of Bretonnian units, I guess. GW's slowly been phasing out what little variety they had, and not really replacing it with anything meaningful. I think someone - in design, in upper management - stopped really caring about them, and the only reason they hadn't been squatted is because it would've caused more trouble than it was worth - that's probably why they didn't get cut out until the shift to AoS.

Now you can't even have good infantry or archers, because it doesn't fit the lore. You can't have mercenaries from Bretonnia or mercenaries hired by Bretonnia, because the lore says otherwise.

They are a one-trick faction, where the Empire and Orcs and Goblins can at least have some variety to their strategies.

>>51633396
There's no reason why Bretonnia can't have good infantry, especially in a place like Montfort which doesn't suit cavalry at all. Only dumb 'purists' stick to the only cavalry rule. GW should have expanded on the various dukedoms with penitent knights from Mousillon, monster hunters from Bastonne, allied Wood Elves and played up the mystical aspect of Bretonnia itself. You can't go with the argument that it will break the lore or make them Empire but French since Empire got demi gryphs. It's GW'S lack of interest and support that made them stagnate.

>>51633502
Gotta admit I'd have bought an army of Brets instead of High Elves if I had the option to not be just full-cav and peasants.

>>51633396
>They are a one-trick faction

They don't have to be, though. The Empire could have been a boring faction if they had failed to expand beyond "renaissance Germany", but they did. They just needed to do the same thing with Bretonnia: take the theme of "medieval France" and expand on it.

>>51624437
>Count's Champion
Isn't that cheating?

Also, is that a runefang?

>>51620454
For some reason thats hot af

>>51633777
Yeah, I use my models for WFRP and since I doubt I'll need an entire unit of Greatswords I made a champion of an Elector Count. I like including NPCS that the players have no business in fighting, since they tend to be a bit more violent than necessary. And a captain of a bodyguard wielding a Runefang would be very intimidating indeed. Plus I didn't need it for the General I gave him a great hammer.

>>51621479
the same way nurgle shit still working; warp fuckery

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>>51633663
I personally would love them to introduce other eras of Medieval Europe that got skipped over. Like say, throw in some huscarls for a solid backbone of spear/two-handed axe infantry. Some skirmishers from Iberia. All the various Celtic-style units that didn't get worked into Wood Elves. And that's not even getting into the fantastical stuff.

>>51633341
Because more variety is not always better.


Look at marines, they were cool with 4-5 basic types now there's billions of the fucking things and they all boil down to having different hats and costing more to buy.

>>51631947
They are big rocks, its like getting hit by a flying steelhard horse

>>51633856
I think they even overlooked stuff that was suggested by the "medieval France" theme and by the lore of Bretonnia.

I like the idea of Celtic-inspired units, though. Maybe peasant communities who keep the Old Faith?

>>51633882
Space Marine imitations aren't variety, though. They're annoying because they're samey.

>>51634063
I'd love some Celtic themed 'Taal's Raiders,' or black-armored infantry of Morr armed with maces and charged with protecting the dead peasantry.

Not sure what was overlooked, aside from Songs of Roland sort of stuff.

>>51634201
Bretonnia is inspired by medieval France and even went on a crusade against Araby, yet there's no Knights Templar or crusader inspired units. There were a lot of monastic orders in medieval France and in Bretonnia, yet the only unit with a religious theme is the Grail Reliquae.