/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>51566993
>Is anyone willing to share the new Beast books?
Remember anons; sharing is caring

>>51567010
I'm willing buy my copy is from a friend and though I don't see a watermark I don't want to risk their name being embedded in some metadata somewhere

So the Mage book in the pastebin is the pre-errata one.
Does anyone have the link to the updated version?

Chronicle of Fagness.

>>51567010
Fuck you FBI man, you ain't getting my meta and sueing me. Trump ain't stealing my FREEDOM.

>>51567084

Mage 2e with errata:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/o25ihm

>>51567152
Thank you kind Anon.

>>51567151

Make sharing rpg pds great again!

>>51567151
Speaking of stupid shit that shouldn't be in these threads, where did Aspel go?

>>51567186
>where did Aspel go?

I'm guessing suicide or he/she/it/they/zhe received a long-term ban.

It's best not to ask to many questions or look this gift horse in the mouth.

>>51567219
What if Aspel never left, and just started posting like a normal person. Or became a mageposter

>>51567219

Aspel is still around, they just left here. Which I honestly should commit to doing, too.

>>51567250
Glad to know his whole, "they'll never get rid of me" shit didn't last.

>>51567250
>Which I honestly should commit to doing, too.
You really should

>>51567250
Good, let him fuck off, he can go jack off to people in /soc/

>>51567250
>Which I honestly should commit to doing, too.

Why?

You seem to know about the games and generally enjoy the discussion (even if you believe Mummy is playable). You also don't engage in the confrontational politics or trolling of posters like Aspel that would make you widely loathed.

so, do crinos have knots? do gauru have knots?

Bone Gnawers! Who's ready for the sacred Super Bowl ritual tomorrow?

>>51567250

go away please

>>51567331

I tend to prefer my roleplaying game discussion with less slurs tossed in, but I'm spoiled by how much busier this place is than the official forums or other sites.

Why is the White Wolf reddit so dead, anyway?

>>51567332

Do you even have to ask?

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>be your average mortal
>kill another human bean for whatever reason
>you, as far as everyone else (and yourself) is aware, permanently ended their existence
>people may or may not hate you

>be Kindred
>commit diablerie on another vampire, permanently ending their existence
>you ended their existence? that's taboo, you fucking abomination
>people hate you and will try to murder you

>>51567392
I'm not seeing what you're getting at here.

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>>51567392

Are you upset that the sheriff executed your character?

>>51567392
You obliterated their fucking soul man, they're pretty clear on that.

>>51567250
And what, be left with the site where someone tried to draw a link between divine progressivism and eating babies?

You're here forever you son of a bitch.

I love you don't go

>>51567392
Humans cant gain the powers of the one they murdered and become stronger, we only gain whatever material resources. If you were a torpid elder and I your neonate, and I diablerized you, I would gain skills, discipline points, blood potency, etc. I would walk out of your "burial" chamber a very scary little babyvamp

>>51567428

That same guy moved on to try to make a half-baked point by citing "gods like Ragnarok and Kali" as his evidence.

The Scion forums are like, stunningly bad.

>>51567428
Okay you need to explain that one right now man, that is some stupid bullshit and I wanna know who thought it.

>>51567374
_yes_

>>51567425
Yeah, and in doing so, you end their existence; no future exists for them. Just like what happens when humans kill each other, as far as they know.

>>51567450

The debate was on how the various Pantheons would respond to various social movements in the modern world, and one idiot suggested that if you were going to have the gods accept LGBTQ identities you might as well have them be just as okay with being a "baby-eating psychopath."

>>51567471
I mean, I'm sure in VTM it'd make sense that a Vampire would be hated for diablire since that takes them away from being punished by god.

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>>51567444
Go on. I'm all ears

>>51567450
The gist was that they argued gods were static, since they handed down behavioral dictates in the past and as gods would not stand to be contradicted to change their views over time, so somehow the argument got the point where he was going 'well if some Scion makes it to Godhood and enforces a change in social mores that's no different than if the same thing happened and the new God was pro-baby eating'

I think it was about gay people at that point? Women and trans people came up, but I think that was a line of thought spinning off from 'would any gods be okay with dudes to fuck'

>>51567444
Yeah they are. I hope after 2e hits they get better just due to influx. More mediocre posters means the average will trend up at least.

>>51567503
>Gods
>Being progressive
I think fucking not

>>51567503
LIke... I get that they're saying that gods are old fashioned, but come on, the gods are going to be way more metropolitan than that. Hell one of the pre-made scions in.... Demi-god? God? Is a transexual scion of a aztec god that's the 'sister' of the new fledged villian aztec memeber.

>>51567524

He was specifically trying to argue that the Theoi would hate homosexuality and would have no frame of reference for transgender folks, nevermind that the Greeks and Romans had a whole lot of male-male romance (as did their gods) and quite a few mythological figures switched sexes.

That's also ignoring that in Scion's setting, these gods have had hundreds or thousands of years to change their minds.

>>51567528
Honestly it probably depends on the god in question and how much they change from their worshippers changing, or vice versa. The setting of either edition of Scion assumes the world is not too far off from our own so you have to then consider why if the gods are very real forces.

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>>51567471
Nono Anon. diabo isn't murder or destruction of person or soul. It's out right soul theft. You ate a bastard and stole the power of his blood, which is the only the replacement of the poor bastard's soul.

and as we all know theft is a more brutal crime than murder in such a capitalist society

>>51567524
>'would any gods be okay with dudes to fuck
>Loki?

>>51567433
Literally makes you think. Fucking elders, man. A decent amount of them probably did it at some point too.

>>51567593
I think when you add millenia of time and assume the gods aren't totally static but instead embody sets of themes only the most hardcore pro-same sex marriage gods would be the gods of marriage. I can't see most of the Greek gods really giving two shits unless the girl of the week they're trying to rape insists she's into women, besides Hera who as with most things would throw a bitchfit because WAAAAH WHY DO I HAVE TO MARRY A SHITTY PERSON WAAAAH

>>51567652

Someone on the forums argued that Hera is super duper down for same-sex marriage because it gives her more marriages to have power over.

>>51567250

I'm honestly glad they left. Less because I didn't like them (though boy did I not like them) and more because there's no shame in saying "I'm not having a good time here" and leaving. There's no point in hanging around a place if it turns you into a cursing fool half the time. Quietly leaving is for the best.

I hope they learn to finish their work, learn to take criticism and revise better, and also start reading some Gramsci or Roemer something because boy do they need to work on figuring out what tendency they really belong to before talking about stuff on the internet.

Anyways that's my obligatory general drama blog post.

>>51567339

I sure am! Pizza will indeed be ordered, and worlds will be changed!

>>51567392
Can you diaberize a half-vampire?

>>51567698
I don't know, I see her as traditional greek marriage only. And frankly if anyone has a reason to be bitter and dickish, it is the goddess of marriage who has been married to Zeus for millenia. And the Greek gods are known for their pettiness, I could see her specifically as a stand out example of being a shitty person due to anger bottling. Other than that, I don't really think anyone would care, they all have other shit to worry about.

>>51567604
MAny neonates quietly ask the same.
Remember kids, in the Invictus, you don't get punished for breaking the law, you get punished for being CAUGHT breaking the law

>>51567652
I don't have a dog in this contest, so really I don't care. but I will point out Loki got put out to the studs at one point. then their was the fabric affair. Guy gets around

>>51567725
Oh Anon she likes folks getting married so she can see them Fail and then laugh about it. She uses her power over marriages to see them fall into flames

so are the OPP forums just cancer? I keep hearing about the autistic things they do over there

>>51567793
>are the OPP forums just cancer?
Yes. They are a carefully cultivated echo chamber.

>>51567806
really? exprain

I know what an echo chamber is, I want to know what bounces around in thers

>>51567823
Actual fucking game discussion.

>>51567833
>Actual fucking game discussion.

I would rather shitpost

>>51567793
Basically the only decent places to talk about WoD are here and SA. I only pop into the official forums to check out mage homebrew and read DaveB posts occasionally.

>>51567793
OPP is still a better than /tg/

Yeah I said it.

>>51567793
More cancerous than this cesspool of fat goth chicks, magefaggery and gay werewolves?

>>51567987
But all the mods are leftys that wanna control what we say and they DEFEND those hacks Hill and Mcfarland.

>>51568012
>DEFEND those hacks Hill and Mcfarland
Impossible.

Anything is better than rpg.net.

>>51568110
I've never been, what's so bad about that place.

>>51568128
Aside from the F.A.T.A.L. review, literally everything.

/tg/ is still the worst thing on 4chan

>>51568161
That is objectivly false, there is literally a containment board for racism, sexism and all kids of horrid things.

>>51568128

Matt McFarland, the developer of the abomination known as Beast, is a mod.

Rpg.net strictly enforces a very left-wing political view, so much so it often resembles therapy sessions rather than game discussions.

>>51567903
>Basically the only decent places to talk about WoD are here and SA.

Whats SA?

>>51567823
>really? exprain
>I know what an echo chamber is, I want to know what bounces around in thers

Rules question are fine is when someone mention an aspect of a line they dont like thats when they pull "the right way to play" and how the devs cant commit no wrong.

Example when mage 2nd was released the wording of the time attaiment was such that indicate a time mage with 2 could send any spell into his own past without any effort basically changing the timeline willy nilly.

Some people said it was fucking idiotic idea that made Mage even more of a hell to run. The echo chamber bend over backwards about how it was the "theme" of the game (basically 99% of the echo chamber defense on critisism) and how the devs were this clever bitches for daring to innovate in a new type of game.

But then the errata came and they change the attaiment and the same echo chamber who defend it said "well of course the devs should change it, it was obvious a nightmare to run"

What bugs me about the echo chamber aside from they get their "employee/cocksleves" from that echo chamber like David hill and arcanearts is how the notion that "yes, the game is following a theme but it still heavy handed about it" just doesnt compute with them.

>>51568161
/pol/ and /tv/ exist so that's objectively wrong

>>51568188
Something Awful, AKA pay to post. At least FATAL and Friends is good.

>>51568005
>More cancerous than this cesspool of fat goth chicks, magefaggery and gay werewolves?

Honestly yes, at least here i can call someone a faggot with issues and they respond with fuck you and carry on.

>>51568180
>Complaining about racism and sexism
Who cares. The reason /pol/ is bad is because it's filled with idiots who don't know their own ideology, not because they're "racist."

>>51568012
As someone so left you'd probably gag, that's not the problem with the OPP forums. It is the horrible posters and mods who only ever step in if someone's feelings have been hurt and not if you get five pages of retards arguing in a circle or anything helpful

>>51568110
That place is like unto hell.

>>51568180

I fail to see how /pol/ is worse than /tg/

>>51568268
God, I don't like that... Wyrmrabbit(?) or whatever nerd, the forigener that has all these dumb ideas. Lotta bads in that place.

>>51568128
>I've never been, what's so bad about that place.

The devs got the mission of making the place welcoming to everyone and thus they make the place only welcoming to people who share their ideas and dissenting views are banned.

>>51568128
Rpg.net is akin to Nazi Germany; Speaking out against the mandatory ideology is grounds for death. Dissent is dealt with quickly and harshly in the Rpg.net Reich.

>>51568356
>Dissent is dealt with quickly and harshly in the Rpg.net Reich.

HAIL PURPLE!
HAIL PURPLE!
HAIL PURPLE!

>>51568356
God I'm so tired about hearing about nazi's, they're fucking dead, they've been dead since before most of us where born.

>>51568356
I once kicked a guy out because he was from there. I told him that I do not tolerate sexist behavior and I have seen nothing but that from when he set foot in my house, and that he should consider a sex change if he fails that hard at being a man.

I'm a woman, so it probably shattered him to pieces.

>>51568284
I recommend psychological help then.

>>51568376
They're pretty much the archetypal repressive regime. What, would you rather me say Soviets and have everyone disagree with me because Lenin dindu nuffin?

>>51568376
>God I'm so tired about hearing about nazi's, they're fucking dead, they've been dead since before most of us where born.

>Rpg.net is akin to a South American dictatorship; Speaking out against the mandatory ideology is grounds for disappearance and death. Dissent is dealt with quickly and harshly in the Rpg.net Reorganization Process

Happy?

>>51568395
LENIN KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FOR FUCK SAKE.

But no really, I get you man, I'm just so fucking tired of 'nazi this' and 'nazi that'

>>51568403
Yeah, sure, whatever. Fuck the boers or something.

>>51568410
>Fuck the boers
Yeah, fuck them.

>>51568410
>LENIN KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FOR FUCK SAKE.
That was my point. The Soviet Union is just as murderous and repressive as Nazi Germany, it's just they had a much better PR department. I'm not pulling the "Everyone who disagrees with my ideology is a nazi" I was trying to make a bloody joke.

Also,
>Boers
>South America

>>51568376
what nazi punching isn't the national sport anymore?

>>51568410
>>51568403
>>51568376
>>51568395

>bringing up Nazis when they actually mean fascists

I'd rather be a Jew burning SS officer than a fucking libcuck who confuses, or literally doesn't know about, Stalinist communists for their lofty Marxist bullshit ideals.

>>51568434

They went out of style, now its all about the cis men product of the patriarchy.

>>51568437
No, I meant National Socialists. They were far more repressive than most fascist regimes.
AND HEY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A JOKE BUT I GUESS THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING HAHAHAHA FUCKING SHOOT ME

>>51568392

Nope. I am right. You are wrong.

>>51568428
Oh, I read that as south africa, I apologize.

If you don't agree with me you're a nazi

>>51568447
But I like punching nazi. They're objectively the least morally questionable enemy you could find in games. you know besides zombies and robots.

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So I'm tinkering with the idea of my Moros character tinkering with cold magic. I'm thinking about having it draw more upon things associated with cold instead of just being frozen water, the same way that shadows are treated as more than absences of light by the Death arcanum.

So cold is associated with what? Loss of hope, lack of energy, and loneliness is all I can come up with. So in terms of magic, a Moros would use a conjunction of Matter and Death, the former to manipulate water or water vapor and the latter to ensorcell it so that it takes on the attributes of cold. It becomes a leeching, creeping frost that latches onto the target and sucks energy and motivation from them, and makes them cold, inside and out.

It's just a rough sketch so far. I'm open to critiques and suggestions on further applications/associations, or you can just go ahead and just call me a dumb fag if you want.

Spell potency isn't equal to the arcana dots required of a spell, right? Like you could cast an Adept grade direct attack spell and do just 1L damage if you don't increase that spell factor, or did I miss a line saying base primary factor of a spell is equal to the highest arcana that goes into it?

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Adolf Hitler was a Mage

Vampires were the jews

>>51568612
>the same way that shadows are treated as more than absences of light by the Death arcanum
That's bullshit

Fuck the Death arcanum

>>51568637
That can't be possible. Hitler lost because of overwhelming stupidity and incompetence.

>>51568644
Tell us how you really feel anon

>>51568644
Fuck you, ghosts are great.

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>>51568653
Honestly, the Third Reich's civilian government can be used as a model for how you might run a supernatural court. It was all SORTS of fucked up, not even touching on it's villainy.

>>51568644
>Shadow Flesh lets you turn into a living shadow. Can't be either 3D to let physical attacks pass right through or 2D to creep along floors and walls and hide in shadows
Death Arcanum is sweet.

>>51568693
>Can't
Whoops meant "Can".

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What Road/Path would/could a Lasmobra clergy type character take if I were trying to make a character that is an adherent of the Cainite Heresy?

>>51568612
Needs more Elsa, but seriously effects that steal heat are on par thematically. I mean you can't warm anyone up with death magic, but it's a decent workaround

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>>51568624
>did I miss a line
Yes

>>51568612
You can do all of that with just Death, causing heat death and hypothermia in the subject by sucking out all of the heat.

You can't do anything more than destroy that heat though, throwing around heat from one area to another is the purview of Forces.

>>51568612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZI952csEUQ

>>51568751
>Needs more Elsa
Please don't ruin this for me.

>stealing heat
So on top of depriving the target of motivation and energy it could be used by the caster to steal it? What do you think this should transfer to mechanically? Stealing a point of willpower and some light bashing damage?

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GOD BLESS

Are Disciplines more or less the same in Requiem, as they were in Masquerade?

Barring the obvious no-go stuff like Obtenebration or Vicissitude.

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AMERICA!

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>>51568849
>Elsa
What's wrong with a hot European blond Ice Queen?

>light bashing damage?
Standard Fraying damage at death3 mate. you can totally stylize it as cold damage. Stealing willpower falls under the purview of mind. Death has more purview over the soul. so you morality stat.

I think your chill a room with death rulling. Influence Heat is a compelling level forces effect

>>51568821
As I said, I'm more interested in it being magic cold that works around its connotations than it being literal cold.

>>51568875
Mostly. Some tweaks here and there. Notably Protean got a nice rework. DOm and Majesty(owod Presence) work off of conditions. Animalism got restructured. But they all still Do the same things. Obfuscate hides, and Auspex reveals. Dominate is still DO MY BEADING!

>>51568712
pls respond :3

>>51569038
>DO MY BEADING!
You fiend!

>>51568849
>it could be used by the caster to steal it?
No, it could not.

>>51569043
Stealing willpower is from killing people.

>>51569041
Weed

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>>51569038

>DO MY BEADING!

Well, if you insist.

>>51568965
So basically you want to be a Mind Mage which makes people think they're cold?

>>51568964
So basically the concept of cold can't be used to achieve any unique effect, but I can color other Death spells with it. Ok. Back to the drawing board then. I'm trying to find an angle for a original Moros Legacy.

>>51569056
Death can be used to derive sustenance from suffering, with the spell Devouring the Slain, however it's an incredibly fucked up spell that involves physically harming someone, just so you can drink their Willpower, or devour their flesh for mana.

But that's VERY differnet from using the symbolism of Death or merely induce suffering and fatalistic lethargy.

>>51568878
Reckonings stalk Heros
Heros stalk Beasts
Beasts stalk supernaturals
Supernaturals stalk Humanity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

>>51569091
Didn't say it was, I'm just saying there's precedent of death spells being able to steal willpower. Hell, I used it on a claimed deer.

>>51569091
You could also use it on low ranking ghosts. Delicious echo-cooler with willpower points.

>>51569101
So Reckoners really hate humanity

>>51569041
Night, with Lasombras the answer is always Night

>>51569128
Even given Diamond policy, that's still pretty fucked up in most cases.

>>51569134
Essentially.
Their entire schtick is "we deserve the shit Beasts give us".

>>51569101

Fear leads to anger
Anger leads to hate
Hate leads to suffering

>>51569154
Is this Stockholm syndrome?

>>51569107
Yeah Death is kind of your one stop I am the evil villain Necromancer arcane

Anyone care to share the full Beast Mortal Remains or Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes?

>>51569202
Nah man, the FBI will get us if we do that.

>>51569198

Death is also the most appropriate Arcana for those protecting people from evil necromancers or trying to help ghosts move on.

Death, like all Arcana, can be used for good or ill.

>>51569154
Before they were hunters they're extreme Christian fundamentalists + government conspiracy whacks. So the edification of their beliefs just kind solidified a lot of their ideology

>>51569235
They're SovCit Survivalist Christian Fundamentalists.... That think the world should super end because fuck people.

Father's Thrusting COCK

>>51569235
>>51569254
It does kinda make me wonder why they deserve the classification as Hunters.

>>51569229
>Protecting from the powers I also have.
you had a better argument with the seance stick. that other thing is like 90s edgelord. What you wanted to say is that Magic like every other tool can be used for ill or for good

>>51569154
What a stupid fucking concept for a Conspiracy.
Has anyone else noticed that the tendency as of later is to give Hunters absolutely retarded Compacts and such that literally do the opposite of whatever protective deal that the Supernatural in question does? It's hackneyed in my opinion.

>>51569279
They basically needed to write a Conspiracy that hated Hunters to get across how natural and special Beasts are, and how AWFUL EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO TRIES TO STOP THEM IS!

>>51569268
Basically Hunters are just any person that hunts any supernatural. They're in because of the technicality. Also we needed a hunter cell that hunted Heros. all things considered it's not a bad way to use it. They're fundamentalists trying to hunt down another fundamentalist. Which highlights how stupid fundamentalism is. Also fuck Beasts and their mind raping

>>51569268
Heroes are mostly human but they're still technically supernatural. Like psychics and stuff.

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>>51569292
Of course, because we might forget that the real Beast- is us.

>>51569279
>>51569292
It's a compact, the conspiracy is the Dream Warriors. I should point out they DO hunt beasts, they're partly compromised by hunters and you know, Heros' aren't exactly normal or empathetic human targets.

And hell, they only hunt heros' because one of them killed half the founders survivalist compound and they WANT humanity to suffer/the world to end.

>>51569305
But why not go after the Beasts that cause the fucking mind-raping then? Or the much, much fucking worse Double-beasts like Null Snyyyyyepr?

>>51569292

That reminded me of Matt's tirade on rpg.net when Beast was being lambasted.

>OK, I'm not going to post in red text, because I'm very much a normal poster in this thread, but as a request - could we tone down the "OMG HEROES ARE FIREMEN WHY DO YOU HATE FIREMEN" stuff a little? Because that's really obviously not what we're going for, and frankly the question of why Heroes are called Heroes has been more than adequately answered.

>(And, I note, once again Heroes smash their way in here and are all like "not all Heroes!" and "what about the Heroes?")


https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread&p=18869444#post18869444

>>51569061
No, I thought that Death could be expanded upon to do more things with cold type magic as I haven't seen it used yet, and I was hoping I could do more with it than just freeze things, because the same thing could be done with Matter by changing the state of water.

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>>51569342
Wow, so he's basically just saying that any complaints about Heroes and Beasts are just attempts at sealioning by the opposition? How far up your own ass do you have to believe that? The game has been a suck-fest ever since the preview, and they just keep fucking doubling down on the idiotic idea, it gets multiple books, but Geist only gets the one?

>>51569316
>That comic
But that Batman is still like incredibility well built. I know guys that would kill to have that body. and guys that would kill to be with that body. Comics book heros are the new gods and mythical ideals. Like the greek pantheon

Also a Batman shadow name. what is he? I'm leaning towards Moros who invest heavly into Matter who awaken during his parents' death

>>51569348
I still can't get over the fact that Death can do shit with shadows as >>51568693 , it is completely outside the purview of the Arcana, which is just straight Forces.

>>51568864
>>51568878
>The definition of a hero is a person who gets other people killed
Jesus Christ.

Beast needs to stop.

>>51569374
Tbf the compact is a bunch of moron fundies who think humanity deserves to suffer.

>>51569374
Yeah, yeah it really fucking does. The other compact in the book brings some strong bants against beasts.

>>51569340
Because the Reckoners WANT the Apocalypse to happen Thats right, they're in it to watch the world burn.

>>51569365
I know everyone in this general seems to hate fan-splats, but Bats always came off to me as a Klagen from Genius, barring that I think he'd be a really sad Acanthus. Most of Bruce's life has been predestined or otherwise out of his control, he creates his own villains and every action he undertakes just seems to pull him further into his Destiny as the Dark Knight; that sounds like Fate to me.

>>51569371
Purview: Darkness, decay, ectoplasm, ghosts, the Underworld, souls, cold, absence, enervation, endings.

First word Darkness

>>51569390
Then they're mustache-twirling evil, just as much as the Blog-Amish are idiotic big-goods, it's really annoying how a lot of their game lines seem to be losing their shades of gray to push so message.
>>51569388
Bants?

>>51569420
>Bants
Short for banter.

>>51569371
>I still can't get over the fact that Death can do shit with shadows as >>51568693 , it is completely outside the purview of the Arcana, which is just straight Forces.

In Mage 2e, there's a lot of Arcana effect crossover.

Death's purview includes darkness and shadows, i.e., symbolic reflections of death and decay.

Forces also controls shadows and darkness as the absence of light.

>>51569407
Fair dues, I like both of those points. but I still say he invests in Matter because of all the gadgetry and engineering

>>51569420
>Blog-Amish are idiotic big-goods

Ex-Amish. If they were still conservative and religious, they would be bad and/or incompetent.

Have you not been paying attention to WW for the last couple of decades?

>>51569412
I'm not debating the canonicity of it, but rather pointing out that
>Darkness
Forces
>decay
Life
>cold
Forces
>absence
Space
>endings
Fate

,could all easily fall under the purview of other Arcana and that those themes seem shoe-horned in.

>>51569357
Let them use up all their stupid ideas and spare Geist 2e. Beast is a fucking eyesore but Geist is all that keeps me going.

>>51569460
>decay and endings are shoehorned in

U wot m8?

>>51569452
And not be able to use the Internet.
>Have you not been paying attention to WW for the last couple of decades?
Really I think I have only seen it since ~2010 or so, when the sidebars got really bad.

>>51569371
Death deals with absence. Shadows are made by the absence of light. This puts them more in Death's ballpark than it does Forces, because Forces deals with energy, not its absence. You could make a room dark by snuffing out the light, but that isn't the same as directly controlling the absence of it. Be glad it was toned down in 2e. Shadows and darkness in 1e was said to be considered an "active force by Atlanteans" and the books had spells that could summon shadows from nowhere and allow them to exist under direct light and make constructs out of them, like walls and weapons. Actually those spells could still be viable in 2e, since there really isn't anything contradicting them.

>>51568712
>>51569138

So I guess what i'm asking, is a character who follows the Cainite Heresy free to choose any path/road? How would one reconcile being on the road of heaven and yet having mortals worship you as an angel?

>>51569420
Check out the Doomsday cult through out history. Remember when we were talking about how magic can be a tool for ill or good. So can religion, they think they're doing the right thing. as misguided and foolish as it is

What is the order of game line major splats from most liked to least liked? I have a feeling I know where beast falls in this list.

>>51569492
Okay, sure, I can accept everything except that shit about it being
>active force by Atlanteans
because that just seems to just smash straight into the pie of another arcana for no real good reason other than, "LOL YOU CAN BE LIEK LASOMBRA! XD XD XD"

>>51569460
You're being too literal. Please remember that this is a game about magic and that symbolism and connotations are important. So looking at it that way, it could also be said that:
>Darkness
Death
>decay
Death
>cold
Death
>absence
Death
>endings
Death

>>51569492
>making something out of nothing
Making Practice I do believe

>>51569560
>"LOL YOU CAN BE LIEK LASOMBRA! XD XD XD"
Ok. This was fun but I'm going to start ignoring you now.

>>51569527
That wasn't me, and Millenarianism is a real thing that causes people to do crazy shit, but it is generally driven by extreme outward pressure, which admittedly your family being slaughtered by a Beast/Hero would be; it still however doesn't really excuse the fact that for some reason they want to kill the Heroes but are like, 'Eh, Beasts are okay' for no other reason that Beast apologia.

>>51569567
More like Weaving, since the material is already there.

>>51569541
Mage
Vampire
Changeling
Werewolf
Promethean
Geist
Demon
Hunter
Mummy
Beast

>>51569619
Hunter's pretty low.

>>51569412
>>51569460
>>51569561

Does that mean Death controls the Void? I thought Death was meaningless in the Void

>>51569357
>>51569477

To be fair enough Beast only has this many books because of kickstarter. Geist 2e has sounded consistently good from the teasers that have been given about it. Travis says he does plan on making sure Geist gets supplement books this time around. With a supplement book including topics such as a Bound that's been bargained by more than one Geist, and bringing back Abmortals.

I'm fucking glad that they removed the downside of 6+ psyche forcing you to remain in the Underworld for half of your life.

>>51569511
You guide mortals down a dark (heh) path so they can see the light at the end

Lasombra

>>51569581
>'Eh, Beasts are okay' for no other reason that Beast apologia.
Because beast promote the Apocalypse narrative in their actions and existence. Spreading fear. They can hold up the Beast Nightmares as Proof of the end times. Being right in this case is more important than stopping the nightmares. They're also playing off of the martyrdom narrative, to them humanity deserves this plague. These guys were off the reservation way before the beast showed up.

>>51569619

Why don't people like Mummy? Keep in mind that I ask this completely ignorant of the material, I've only started reading through some of the Requiem stuff and then I'll move on to Changeling to see what all the hype is about.

>>51569654
What fun is there to be had in Geist?

So I'm reading through Demon: the Fallen and they seem kind of...weak? Really limited? But I'm a newcomer to the system. Where does their strength lie?

>>51569636
I believe the Abyss is like inherently Anti magic.

But there's plot in a crazy mage trying to harness the power of the Void

>>51569686
Because almost nobody's fucking read it.

>>51569601
>Direct Light
No shadows to weave mate. Funny enough that's how you fuck over the Lasombra a literal Bright white room

>>51569695
Their strength lies in them being one of the least read game lines.

>>51569636
>Does that mean Death controls the Void?
No. Abyssal magic is another thing entirely.

I remember having a character in which Loki was my biological mother. His backstory was weaved by how his parents and grandparents were connected to Baldur and how Loki had set up this grand scheme to burn Baldur, one of his scion sons, and one of his mortal consorts in a twisted tale of revenge, manipulation, and passion. It was a wild story but I had fun with it in the end.

>>51569541
My most successful games have been vampire. They're simple and have easy buy in. Hunter is sweet with the right group. A good mage game is like a mythical unicorn

>>51569732
>>51569763
Next character get

>>51569783
meant for
>>51567744
>>51567593
>>51567652

The entire backstory was how he got around and was fucking people over in all senses of the word.

>>51569689
About as much fun as any other splat, but I suppose Geist really is the biggest case of "What you make of it", out of all the major splats it's probably the most open game, in the sense that you died and came back so now you have a second chance at life with however the experience changed your perspective towards life. It hasn't been revealed yet what 2e has in store, but the developer for it has noted that it will be the game getting the biggest change to second edition and he's aware of all the problems and shortcomings in first edition. There's be mentioned that down to the powers the game will be more thematic, carry more direction and have "carrot sticks" to provide incentive to want to do things rather than beat you with a stick and force you to do things.

>>51567332
Nope unless in Lupus form. Crinos has no sexual characteristics.

>>51569744
>No shadows to weave mate
True. But it wouldn't stop the Shadow Flesh spell. On the other hand if I were Moros I wouldn't exactly deal with danger with nothing but magic shadows.

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>>51569850
>patterning spells are kind of superpower
pretty par for the course.

Also Mastiros Shadow name. The Shadow! (the exclamation mark is important)
dumps all his points into Death instead of mind or space.

>>51569541
My personal list
Mage>Demon>Hunter>Changeling>Mummy=Promethean>Werewolf=Geist>Vampire>>>>>a half-eaten tuna sandwich>>>>>>>>>>>>>a jar of Phil Brucato's stale semen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Changing Breeds>>>>Beast>FATAL

>The reckoning
>because of their proximity to Beasts, a handful of Reckoning hunters become Heroes; ...
What?
>a phenomenon that's surprisingly easy to conceal amongst the Compact. After all, to a Hero, collateral damage is just part of the job

Dafck? They're whole crusade against Heroes started and is about the collateral damage that Heros cause. They fucking Blow it. They had it down. but nope double down on the hypocritical irony. Their own actions cause exactly what triggered their birth as hunters, being collateral damage, and they're just as likely to kill the thing their mission statement is about protecting They don't check their agents for this kind of Behavior? The behavior of their enemy!? I don't know whether to be pissed off. Or pleasantly surprised by the dedication to painting extremists as the fucknuts

>>51569897
>The Shadow!
This was actually a suggestion for a Shadow name in the Mage Noir book. Minus the exclamation mark though.

Okay, who else still wants to create Phantasms with Prime? They were cool, and Prime was much better with them.

>>51570830
That's fucking shit

>>51570830
I do, but Obrimos can't have nice things because Dave hates them

>>51570896
>Obrimos can't have nice things

What?

Forces is one of the most versatile Arcana.

I think the problem with Prime is that it's one of the most revised Arcana in the new edition, but not enough space was devoted to explaining the differences or providing sample spells.

Since Signs of Sorcery deals with all matters supernal, hopefully Prime will now receive the attention it deserves.

>>51568864
>and monsters go about their business
And what would that business be? What the actual fuck is wrong with person who wrote this?

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Isn't this what Celerity does for Vampires? But Faith starts at 3 or 4, and can go up to 10, but Celerity caps at 5. So starting demons with primary Fire Lore can be as fast as a Celerity 5 vamp if they're willing to spend the Faith to do it?

>>51570958
Demon: The Fallen had a much higher starting power level than VtM, yes.

>>51570928
>Signs of Sorcery
>now

Surely you mean in 2023, right before Wraith is released

>>51571015
>Wraith
>2023
laughing_Ashton_Kutcher.gif

It's escaped from /exg/, has it?

The Circle of Degrees
This schema of the Supernal reduces the meaning of Paths to absurdity, portraying the Supernal Realms as so numerous that willworkers are unable to properly codify them. Paths exist as per the mechanics of Mage and the Watchtowers exist within the setting, but every combination of two Ruling Arcana and one Inferior Arcanum has a Realm and Watchtower.
Because this schema counts 360 Realms, the Supernal Realms are referred to by mages in this setting as “the Circle,” and circles replace pentacles as magical tools. Because so many Realms exist, most of which are unnamed apart from High Speech phrases derived from the runes for the Arcana governing them, no more than a handful (if any) of mages of the same Path will ever share a Consilium. Some mages, particularly mystagogues, see exceptions as signs of significant movement in the Supernal World. “Path” is useless for stereotyping fellow mages in a world where no Path can gather in numbers, and the orders therefore become more important as part of a mage’s identity while Path becomes something very personal. Every mage in this setting has to fight for Supernal correspondence, from Path tools to Oblations, in a long process of trial and error informed by what they experienced during their Awakening. A troupe can represent this by disallowing the use of Path tools at first until a character is experienced enough to determine what metals and weapons she has sympathy with, a discovery which should merit Arcane Experience.

>>51571114
Why it has 360 Realms, if number of variants is 10*9*8 = 720 Realms?

>>51571114
Seems too directionless and too much of a fight for identity in a setting which should really be more of a fight for an objective truth and enlightenment through comprehending external mysteries, pass.

>>51571114
Can any Path beat the default Acanthus?

>>51569619
>mage at the top
>not vampire
the delusions are real

>>51571210
I always wonder why people need directions in a role-playing game. Maybe that's why I like classless systems - I prefer to take my own directions.

>>51571226
I think that Path of Mind/Fate or Mind/Time is actually better, but that's debatable.

Devouring the Slain (Death •••)
Practice: Fraying
Primary Factor: Potency
Withstand: Resolve
Suggested Rote Skills: Intimidation, Medicine, Persuasion
The mage may pull the energy from his subject’s suffering
into himself. The mage chooses at the time of casting to either
harvest Willpower or to scourge the subject’s Pattern for Mana.
The subject must have at least one Health box filled with either
lethal or aggravated damage. For each level of Potency, the mage
may take one point of Willpower (up to the subject’s remaining
Willpower points), or he may Scour the subject’s Pattern for
one point of Mana, dealing one lethal damage in the process,
causing existing wounds to open and fester. Using this spell
counts towards the limit of times per day a mage can gain Mana
through Scouring.
+ 1 Reach: The mage may affect a healthy subject with this
spell instead of one who has recently taken damage.
+1 Reach: The spell does not count toward the limit of times
per day a mage can gain Mana through Scouring.
+ 1 Reach: The mage may affect a ghost with this spell, damaging
its Corpus to gain either Willpower or Mana on a one
for one basis. The mage must choose when casting the spell to
take either Willpower or Mana, and cannot take a mix of the
two from the ghost.

So this is the succubus spell right?

>>51571382
>The mage may pull the energy from his subject’s suffering into himself.
>succubus spell
Shouldn't it pull energy from sexual pleasure?

>>51571410
So Dominatrix then?

>>51571382
>So this is the succubus spell right?

That's a straight up Vampire spell

>>51571589
Mage infiltrating Vampire. Suppress Life signs. "Feeding" spells

>>51571624

>tfw mages are better vampires than vampires

I'm new to nWoD/CofD, could anyone give me like a one-sentence rundown of each of the supernatural groups and their current shtick?

>>51568612

Cold is also comfy christmas and white, crime free society.

>>51571780
You obviously never heard of Russia.

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any Obrimos legacy focusing on freedom of body, mind and soul? You break from your physical and metaphorical shackles/walls/barrier? They would attainments allowing to fly/levitate/break barriers etc.

also here's a supremely qt Thyrsus

>>51571799
>Russians
>White
Pizdjec

>>51571114
This is needlessly complicated and reads more like a passive-aggressive swipe at the Paths than an attempt to create a system that can substitute them properly. It also takes way too many cues from Ascension. Just go play that if you like the idea of personalized paradigms so much. Don't try to drag its elements into Awakening with shitty lore "fixes".

>>51571760
>Vampires
Undead bloodsuckers trying to co-habit the night and failing horribly

>Werewolves
Half-spirit heirs of the wolf-god, whose job it is to avoid the spirit-world overtaking the material.

>Changeling
Ex-humans who escaped their torment in Arcadia and try to reclaim their old lives, hunted by Huntsmen, and with a fragile grasp on reality.

>Mage
Fucking busybodies who quite literally don't know how to leave anything well enough alone, equipped with a universal magic detector, and armed with a bevy of thermonuclear warheads.

>Demon
Fallen Angels of the God-Machine who operate like burned secret agents, and ultimately seek to avoid being "brought back in".

>Geist
You died, you don't want that to happen to you again, and you try and help Ghosts move on or something

>Promethean
You wish you were a real boy, and that people didn't hate you.

>Mummy
You're the bitch of some god-being, and he wants you to get back the fucking idol some dickhead white guy stole.

>Beast
You're a fucking jackass who feeds off people's psyches and pretend you're not a cunt for doing so.

>Hunter
You want to hunt down and kill/save all of the above.

>>51571816
I for one fucking HATE Thyrsus Mages

>>51571816
I've been thinking up one for a while now.

Mind primary, invert the Mastigos "everyone's a dirty sinner" stereotype by focusing on the inner good in everyone.
Add in some Forces/Prime as secondary Arcana for flight through "lightness of body" and the purifying truth of goodness.

Basically "purify the mind, and the rest will follow".
Too good, too pure for this world.
They have a splinter group who decided the best way to elevate the minds of the world is to BURN OUT THE SHITTY PARTS WITH PURIFYING MENTAL FIRE, CLEANSE THEM OF THEIR IMPURITIES WITH CELESTIAL GLORY.

>>51571832
>It also takes way too many cues from Ascension. Just go play that if you like the idea of personalized paradigms so much.
I can't understand why desire to choose your own Arcana and symbols are equal to "paradigms", which don't have any place in Awakening anyhow. I also can't understand why ability to choose is so bad. Can somebody explain to me that?

>>51571832
>This is needlessly complicated

No Paths, just pick 2 arcana you like and one you hate, then give it a name

Easy peasy, one less thing making Mages less omnipotent (slightly)

Warlocks of Arcadia
Path is distinct and separate from Realm in this change to the Mage setting — or, rather, each Realm contains a fivefold Path. “Path,” to mages in this setting, describes the subtle Arcanum a mage has sympathy to, while the word “Realm” is used to describe the gross Arcanum. The Supernal Realms themselves are slightly different — each has the gross Arcanum manifest throughout, but is divided into five “corners” influenced by the five subtle Arcana. A mage undergoing her Awakening trance enters the Realm in one of these regions and follows her Path to the Watchtower, which is at the “center” of the Realm where the Paths literally meet.
A Warlock of Arcadia, therefore, is a mage who Awakened to the Mind region of Arcadia, which in this setting is the Supernal Realm of Time rather than Fate and Time. That combination does exist — an Enchanter of Arcadia would possess them as Ruling Arcana — but is only one of the five Arcadian Paths. The Inferior Arcanum for a character is selected as a free choice at character creation from among the remaining four subtle Arcana. Mages disagree on what the different Inferior Arcana exhibited by members of even the same Path and Realm might mean, the Silver Ladder and Mysterium going as far as to codify each Path as having four “Shames,” each of which has a different Inferior Arcanum. For example, a Warlock of Arcadia who counts Prime as his Inferior Arcanum is a “Warlock of Arcadia, with the Shame of Prime.” Telling another mage one’s Shame is a mark of trust.
This change to the Path model allows the troupe to write around any problems you might have with the default Paths. It is also low on setting impact with the exception of Legacies — the troupe will have to decide whether the Path requirements for a Legacy are based on the Path, the Realm, or both, which should be apparent for most Legacies based on their descriptions.

>>51571884
Choice is bad Change is Bad Same is Bad Freedom is a lie and nothing will ever be good again like it was never in the good old never were or will be days

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>>51571837
>I for one fucking HATE Thyrsus Mages

>>51571347
>I prefer to take my own directions.
I bet you like MGTOW, you nerd.

Mages Going Their Own Way

>Path of Mind/Fate or Mind/Time
Too bad they won't ever exist outside of your homebrew. I would also like to hear about how these Arcana interact in the realm thematically. Don't forget to include an inferior Arcanum that is justified, like how Pandemonium is built around abstracts and therefore has a poor grip on Matter. If the description of the Realm starts sounding more like an individual's approach to magic you've messed up. That would be closer to an Acanthus Legacy that adds Mind as a Ruling Arcana.

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>>51571938
>Too bad they won't ever exist outside of your homebrew
>stop having badwrongfun

>>51571816
I don't understand this meme

>>51571974
You can have all the badwrongfun you want. I can also shit on it all I want. That's freedom.

what are each Mage path thematically?

>>51571884
You can choose all you want. That's not my problem. My problem is that you're basically scrubbing all the structured themes from the Supernal Realms in favor of being able to do whatever kind of free magic you want.

>>51571890
This would enable shameless metagaming and shitty half-baked explanations to justify it.

>>51571938
>Too bad they won't ever exist outside of your homebrew.
Too bad that I don't care about anything outside my own table.

>I would also like to hear about how these Arcana interact in the realm thematically. Don't forget to include an inferior Arcanum that is justified, like how Pandemonium is built around abstracts and therefore has a poor grip on Matter.
And some actual criticism for a change, thank you. Yes, this is a problem, because each Ruling Arcana pair needs at least 4 variants. But here is two solutions:
1) Dump it on player. They want their combination, they have to explain it.
2) Realms have just two Ruling Arcana. Inferior Arcana is just inability of certain mage to understand certain truth-symbols. Basically the same thing as in >>51571913 proposition.
Personally, I like the second one more.

>If the description of the Realm starts sounding more like an individual's approach to magic you've messed up.
Not really. In my original post >>51560473, I noted that all those 360 Realms could easily be just a different perspectives on one big Supernal Realm. It isn't individual's approach to magic - it individual's perspective of magic.

>>51572033
>My problem is that you're basically scrubbing all the structured themes from the Supernal Realms
And my problem there is no themes to Supernal Realms, structured or not. I and my players can produce those "themes" by dozens, because in the end, one we have are just Heaven, Hell, Faerie, Underworld and Wild with some word sprinkle on top. For god's sake, even core book says there is a lot more than those five realms:
>The Supernal World is conceived of as endless and eternal. Five realms are known (the Path realms, described above), but many more are conjectured.

Okay, so now that spells can be made of Indefinite Duration in 2e, why all mages just can't cast Extend Life on themselves indefinitely to live forever ever?

>>51572121
Because not all of them can.
And because that doesn't help against bullets.

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>>51572083
>And my problem there is no themes to Supernal Realms, structured or not.
You're absolutely right, of course. It's not like entire books have been written detailing them and the Paths. And of course the best solution to oust these themeless realms and paths is to let players come up with their own themeless realms and paths. I'm sure they'll be superior to the canon material in every way and won't be nothing more than thin excuses for metagaming.

Jesus Christ you're a fucking idiot. I would sooner play Beast than play your version of Mage. Not only is it a bad idea, it's a poorly written bad idea. Throw in "encourages metagaming" and you've hit the shitty system trifecta. Bad concept, bad writing, bad mechanics. Please stop posting your shitty homebrew or I'll have to go somewhere else when I get bored.

>>51572121
you can hold a number of speels equals your gnosis. Anymore requires reach

>>51572204
>t's not like entire books have been written detailing them and the Paths.
Like every idea which got it's own book is a good one.

>And of course the best solution to oust these themeless realms and paths is to let players come up with their own themeless realms and paths.
Actually? Yes.

>I'm sure they'll be superior to the canon material in every way
Maybe they will be, maybe they won't. But they would be their own ideas.

>and won't be nothing more than thin excuses for metagaming
No, they won't be. Know why? Because nothing stops you from metagaming the hell out of original system, you moron. You still can get Acanthus and your own Legacy for any third Arcanum you like.

>>51572204
>Please stop posting your shitty homebrew or I'll have to go somewhere else when I get bored.
So the more I post, the sooner you'll shut up? Sign me up, I am going to write the full subsystem right now.

>>51569695
They can sense the activity of any other supernatural using their powers in a range that effectively covers the entire city. ANY supernatural, dude. No matter what kind of Obfuscate, Blur of the Milky Eye, Mind Magic WHATEVER, there is no hiding from the demonic gaze.

Also, if you get killed, you get a chance to possess someone else. The big three are just meat and bone.... or dust.

>>51572041
>it individual's perspective of magic.
Literally what paradigms are. Go play Ascension. It also puts more emphasis on Orders like you want.

>>51569827
Rage Across Australia clearly states that the War of Tears to exterminate the Bunyip was because their Crinos form dicks were bigger and double-barrelled, and this was something the Shadow Lords couldn't take lying down uh-huh-huh-huh-huh

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>>51572382
>huge double-barreled dicks

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>>51572121
>why all mages just can't cast Extend Life on themselves indefinitely to live forever ever?

They can.

>>51572260
One Realm, Different Paths
There is only one Supernal Realm, but many Paths to and in it. There is no common themes or patterns to codify - each Awakening is unique experience. The mages in this variant are more like the archmages - each and every mage has his own Road to Supernal Realm. When mage Awakens, the Watchtower form Lustrum for him, creating a "Realm" and "Path" as a way to understand Supernal truths and symbols. This vision is always imperfect in some way, with mage missing some vital component of Supernal Realm.
Player chooses two Ruling and one Inferior Arcanum as part of character creation; the player or GM chooses Path tools and sympathetic materials. Mage may summon Supernal entities which correspond to their Ruling Arcana. All Legacies now use Arcana and Orders instead of Paths.

>>51572260
Ignore that other fag, post away. I'm genuinely interested. The Paths RAW are boring and shitty, even the names are stupid. "Thyrsus"? More like "Thirsty", amirite?

>>51572204
There's no need to be so jealous and bitter just because another Anon came up with a better idea than your favourite developer.

At the risk of setting this thread on fire, may I point out that Gaston is a bad example of a Hero?

If an Awakened has their soul taken, does it affect their ability to do magic and how easy is it for them to get it back or get a new one?

>>51572495
>"Acanthus"? more like "Ah can't stop masturbating", amirite?
>"Mastigos?" more like "the three Mandingo Amigos", amirite?
>"Moros"? more like "Morons", amirite?
>"The Unknown Tower"? more like "Dude, Where's My Tower?" amirite?

>>51572556
>Obrimos? more like "Oh bro no", amirite?

>>51572549
It eventually stop them from casting, when they reach the Thrall stage.
How easy is it to get it back? Dispel the spell severing it, or break the Soul Jar they've contained it in.

Getting a new one? Unless some poor soul has lost his soul before dying lately, or you go out and reap someone else's then you're kinda fucked.

>>51572539
Gaston did the community a solid favour by leading them in battle against what was clearly a personification of satan that had locked his dearly beloved in a tower until she suffered Stockholm Syndrome. Sure, he had personal interest in wooing her himself, but I maintain that he only wanted her father incarcerated because his apparent dementia had progressed to the stage where he was a danger to himself and those around him, a verdict that he was able to convince in the man who ran the local asylum and whose very reputation was on the line in admitting such patients.

The entire point is made even more moot when one considers that the French Revolution would most certainly have occurred within the next 20 years, and then that faithless Beast and his poor rape victim would have been beheaded for hoarding and living large on the slavery of the bourgeois.

>>51572588
In this case, assume it gets stolen by a non-Mage monster so there's no Supernal spell keeping it out of their body, it's being kept separate by the monster's own power.

How easy is it to reap someone else's soul?

>>51572455
Instead of Path, Mage Sight and Nimbus is now determined by Ruling Arcana of character (so again - not much changes).
If mage awakens in the result of Mystery Play, nothing changes much, because he doesn't experience Supernal Realm in full; the Watchtower forms Lustrum out of future mage perceptions of Fallen World. If mage awakens in the result of Supernal Journey, he experience a Lustrum, carefully constructed by Watchtower as individual experience for future mage.

>>51572592
So you agree with me? After all, a real Hero would only care about killing Beasts, rather than wooing some human. A real Hero would have killed the girl for daring to consort with a Beast.

>>51572604
>How easy is it to reap someone else's soul?
Death 3 for non-Mages. Death 5 for Mages.

>feel like giving a shot to Requiem novels
>start A Hunger Like Fire
>first thing I read is something about some guy hitting on someone (the protagonist?) in some club
>they use their vampire powers to convince them their dick is too small to satisfy anyone and everyone knows it
>in first person narrative

Should I just drop this shit and stick to the P&P books?

>>51572632
I would drop it. Vamp fiction is very hit-and-miss anyway.

>>51572628
Presumably you need a mage's soul if you want to be able to cast spells again? Or does it matter whether it's a Sleeper's soul or Awakened's soul that you shove back in the hole where yours used to be?

>>51572653
You can cast spells without a soul. They just all risk paradox and once you deteriorate into a thrall you can't cast them.

>>51572576
That joke was far too obrimos a pun.

>>51572617
The Threshold Seeking is now largely the same as Awakening. The only difference is that now Watchtower won't help you: you must initiate Mystery Play, cross the Abyss and form Lustrum by yourself. After you've done it, you understand that all Supernal Realms are, in fact, different interpretations of one big Supernal Realm. After this, you don't have Ruling, Common and Inferior Arcana - your vision of Supernal is perfect now, and you are able to learn all Arcana by yourself, exploring and experiencing the full Supernal on your own.

>>51572669
Sure, but is there any material difference between replacing your missing soul with that of a Sleeper or that of an Awakened?

>>51572653
Either fits.
Apparently it's the soul-container which does most of the work.
Which is why you don't have to get a new Legacy if you get a new soul.

>>51572624
Fucking hell, yes, I agree with you.

It's lost on me why they didn't go with Captain Ahab from Moby Dick. Consider; Ahab is fixated on the White Whale, so blind in his hunger to kill it that he doesn't care about his ship, his crew, his own life. It fits the profile way, way better.

But we can't have that, because the entire OPP writing pool are such fucking peons that they probably think Moby Dick was a porno Ron Jeremy did about the 90's rave culture.

>>51572687
Thanks.

I would put on a skirt and suck the dick of anyone who posted tooth and nail, I nEED that shit for my Hunter game

>>51572455
>>51572617
>>51572674
With those changes in mind, Orders become even more important, because they allow easy access to tested and tried magical tools. The Path is now a unique understanding of higher Truths by mage, while Order represents his choice of how to use this power. Legacies are now less important, because Path of mage is unique enough.

>>51572782
That's pretty hot anon but unfortunately whoever posts it will be sucking dick in a federal penitentiary for 15 years

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I just learned about McWoD and I want to know what idiot thought this shit was a good idea? Like, seriously, who was responsible for this?

>>51568685
Any advice on where I should read up on their shit?

>>51567250
You don't need to leave, you just have to remove your fucking trip.

>>51573542
Monte Cook? I mean he wrote the fucking thing, although I was balls-deep into WoD at the time and I never heard about it until about a year and a half ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE

>>51568878
>>51569374


Shouldn't they be more concerned with killing the fucking Beasts? Jesus. No wonder people call that splat Victims: the Blaming.

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>>51569316

Any time someone posts that comic on the left, just BTFO them with this instead. Much easier.

>>51569827

There are canon instances of Crinos genitalia being used, notably by Black Spiral Dancers.

>>51573990
Or just tell them that a male power fantasy involves being rich.

Source - I'm a man.

I'd like a small discussion about Belials brood, there are some things I don't get (spoilers, if you care).

Ok, so I get that all brood-members engage in the 'pursuit' in one way or the other, that is
whittling away at ones humanity with the end-goal of becoming a humanity zero draugr (in rule-terms),
but I don't really get hopw some factions act or how they go about doing that.

I'm guessing all of the brood engage in murder, torture and the like to remove their humanity, right? But there
are some factions I just don't really grasp. The pandemonium and the velvet sex-fiends are quite simple to grasp,
I guess the lowest velvet acts would include murderous incestous child-pornography or something equally vile to
finally get them down to zero humanity, but what's the deal with for example the Roaring serpent?

I don't really grasp these guys. They seek power, ok. Personal power. The writeup doesn't really say what they do with the power.
The nameless as well, they infiltrate and then do... what? The Mercy seat corrupts, but how can corruption bring you
to the endpoint of zero humanity? What will the smokeless fire-guys do? Finally go on some kind of one-man-army murder rampage
as their final act?

It seems to me that most brood-members will stabilize at a low humanity and then just go about doing their vile things, as opposed
to doing what is characteristically brood-y from the source-book, that is basically have a short and violent undeath (the pandemonium
are basically the only ones that fit that now). I'd like a discussion on the activities of the different factions, as it is now
I see them as almost as sustainable as the covenants, pretty much like the Setites were in oWoD.

>>51570184
they are religious nutjobs. Because, you know, religion is bad and conservative and against the left-narrative (except for every other religion than Christianity)

>>51568758
Oh sweet, I just kept missing that.

>>51572524
if the Anon only would have done so, instead of reurgitating what is in the Mage Chroniclers Guide. What's next, the Marxism mage who uses dialecticalism to manipulate reality?

>>51574657

Dipshits should read up on Confuscianism or the Quran.

>>51569799
The mage/demon game in in has narrowly avoided implosion thus far.

>>51569636
>I thought Death was meaningless in the Void
Don't listen to Sauron's lies

>>51571333
Vampires are the cockroaches of the World of Darkness. They're annoying, weak, and infestations pop up every now and then.

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>Is anyone willing to share the new Beast books?

But why would you ever want this? Beast is hot garbage and makes no sense.

>>51574842

They asked about popularity not which one you jack off to more.

Any updates on that French Werewolf vidya?

>>51569541
For CofD/nWoD, I would say it goes roughly like this:
Vampire
Mage
Hunter
Changeling
Werewolf
Promethean
Geist
Mummy
Beast
For oWoD, Vampire dwarfs everything it is not even funny, with either Werewolf or Mage as a distant second, with the others struggling to follow.

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>>51575074
>Vampire > Mage
>in any version of WoD

>>51575104
Yes. We're talking about popularity here, not the sort of powerwanking you idiots seem to enjoy.

>>51575074

It was Vampire >>>> Werewolf >= Mage > Everyone Else

>>51572539

I don't even know why they even tried to embrace that in the teaser. As soon as someone asked "so like Gaston?" they should have just said no and moved on.

>>51575278
To be fair, Gaston is an excellent example for what a Hero should be like when they go wrong. The problem is that they made Heroes be like Gaston by default.

>>51575306
Had they not doubled down on how Beasts really do deserve to be hunted for the most part, it might have worked.

>>51575137
Are we talking about popularity as in number of players or popularity as in "universally well-liked"? Because I did get the feeling that while everyone who has played WoD has an opinion on VtM, it's not particularly respected as a splat, while Mage is always seen very positively, and Werewolf has the worst reputation out of the three.

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>>51575361
>this is what mage players actually thing

>>51575383
I never could get into Mage actually, but I guess they meme'd me into thinking it's good.

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>>51572808
>>51572674
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>>51572455
>>51572260
>>51572041
>>51571913
>>51571114
Your homebrew sucks fucking dick, it's basically a shitty compromise between Awakening and Ascension, i'm not even that guy who has been criticizing you, I just think it is terrible because it upends most of the fluff of the system due to the fact that the Supernal realms makes you grumpy and you can't handle the 5 by 5 design of the books. I bet you think that there are 360 fucking Exarchs too, or that Banishers show up when someone is unable to forge their Lustrum correctly. Go play Ascension, it is the game you want, though you might want to add Death because the Entropy sphere might be a little too much for you to wrap your brain around.

>>51575402
Its more well liked by a certain type of player but not in general

>>51575330
Beasts are truly fucking vile and I'm the type of fag who loves Baali and BSD.

>>51575408
Thanks for your objective and fact-based critique.

>>51575402
Yes, the mages and their terrifying powers of memery. Memetics. Whatever.

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>>51575479
I used memes as a legitimate tactic in a game once. It went about as horribly as expected.

>>51575446
It's not like the critique of the default path system has been objective or fact-based so I don't know why you've singled his post out.

No one likes your shitty homebrew, you clearly don't like Awakening anyway, and you should just play Ascension because it's obviously what you want anyway.

>>51575408
Why is her neck so long

>>51575518
>No one likes your shitty homebrew
At least two people liked it.

>you clearly don't like Awakening anyway
I love it as a whole, but I don't like some parts of it.

>>51575408

The X splat is often unnecessary despite the 5x5 design, so I think people are allowed to just dump it for something new.

>>51575408
>handle the 5 by 5 design of the books

Its kinda sad how opp strongarm themselves on the repetitive 5x5 design like they needed to be bland on purpose and avoid taking each line as its own thing instead just shove the 5x5 design forcefully.

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>>51575649
I don't know man, they make a lot of sense for starting off,
>Where do you come from?
Path/Clan/Seeming/Etc.
>What do you plan on doing with your powers?
Order/Coven/Court.

that makes a lot of sense and it is easy to throw people into, unlike oWoD where i'd always have to spend like an hour explaining all the fucking clans and shit and how there are anti-tribu and Inconnu and Anarchs. There are a couple of their games which broke that mold and while some of them I like a great deal (Hunter, Demon), the others i'm less enthused about since they either come off as directionless (Geist) or just shitty (Beast.

>>51575446
You haven't ever clearly articulated why the Paths are bad besides some platitude about how they're cludgy and you don't like to be told what to do. The Paths are useful for new players, for keeping Arcana somewhat predictable as to who's hands they're going to be in and making sure that you get an inferior Arcana that's actually inferior, rather than just a fucking dump stat. How does your homebrew address that?

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>>51567463

Yes, Garou most definitely have knots, at least in wolf/dire wolf form. In Crinos? Eh, maybe; I'd put money on "yes" though.

>>51569827
>Crinos has no sexual characteristics.

No *secondary* sexual characteristics, meaning nipples, adam's apples, etc.

Wherewolves in Crinos still have genders, though their genitalia are usually "withdrawn" and hidden, though that's not always the case, especially with metis who may be deformed or "different" in any number of ways.

If a werewolf in Crinos wants to get "busy" (as is the case with many Black Spiral Dancers), then they can still do it without changing forms.

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>>51575361
>Mage is always seen very positively

pic related

>>51576182
>that makes a lot of sense and it is easy to throw people into, unlike oWoD where i'd always have to spend like an hour explaining all the fucking clans and shit and how there are anti-tribu and Inconnu and Anarchs.

Thats a false equivalency, comparing the complexity of explaining the just-the-core of requiem to players vs explaining the setting with all the supplements of masquerade if you gonna include shit like antitribu or inconnu.

To explain the bare minimum to play in Masquerade you just gotta explain the clans that are allowed in your game, how the camarilla works and maybe the anarchs assuming they are in your game.

Or going the other way around explaining masquerade with all the clans, inconnu, antribu, anarchs, sabbat and true black hand etc. Vs all the 7 to 8 (including shit like the chinesse nosferatu, the pijavica, the juuli) clans from requiem, covenants, faction inside the covenants. Which is closer if not more than what you gotta explain for Masquerade.

Sometimes the 5X5 model just doesn't works. Forsaken 1st edition suffered from redundancy and even 2nd now its in a weird spot in which the tribe is define by a philosophy AND a favored prey but doesn't address someone sharing the beliefs of the Stormlords but thinking the most dangerous prey are other werewolves.

And in mage is just artificial, Ascension just gave you your tradition which defined your first dot of sphere and then let you make your character as you like and even then the tradition books gave you faction to match any sphere with any traditions.

Personally i dont particularly hate the paths, but they are training wheels to people completely new to RP and unnecessary beyond that outside of masturbatory scenes in PBP. They dont bring anything important mechanically wise and setting wise they just important in background info.

>>51577852
>but they are training wheels to people completely new to RP
It also helps for people new to mage, I've helped dozens of people make characters, decision paralysis can make coming up with your first character very difficult. Having limits like paths and orders to narrow down what sort of spells you'll be using makes it much easier to walk people through the process.

>>51577934

Lets not lie now anon, we all know anyone who posts in here doesn't actually play these games.

>>51577986
I ran LARPs (Hence the stupid number of new characters). I never get to play qq

>>51577934

i agree, some people might need those. *Some being the key word there. But if i am running a game with player who either dont like the paths or dont need them discard them is the best option. Just have 3 points of arcanums and put them however you like.

>>51572632
oh yeah that character is the least interesting. but the REAL protag is a nos living out of a drainage tunnel with his dogo

>>51575306
Gaston did nothing wrong. What? With the information he had he made a choice. He personally had misguided reasons, but with the info presented. Mad Father. unreliable kidnapped Girl. a known Monster. It was pretty hit the nail on the head. He didn't have all the background information, of the curse and the romance. He wasn't a thinking man in a world that valued strength. Gaston is not a character in his own right but a presentation of the culture.

Its a cautionary tale of the rich being eccentric and being throw off as unimportant or even monstrous for waste. not to mention his servants are literal objects to him and the tale. which dead ends into the French revolt very nicely. and of course a love story thrown in because Romantic french ans all the jazz

>>51578652
>Mad Father.
You're leaving out the part where he had him committed so he could marry his daughter.

>>51578710
Wasn't Maurice already a bit nutty? It's been a while since I watched the movie. Gaston is a dick, but it's easy to take his side if you don't know about the curse. The fact remains that Heroes are in the right in Beast.