So Wizards (likely for legal reasons) can never publish Dual

>>51566156
Print less duals. How many 'three-colour-goodstuf.dek" formats do we need to have? With less duals, two colour reverts to the default, which makes for more interesting deckbuilding decisions.

>>51566202
Well, if they don't print any more, Legacy will die because new players can't join.

>>51566156
Drop Magic as a concept and create a new game entirely that doesn't try to be a magic ripoff, but doesn't be different for the sake of it. Sure, keep the cash-cow going, but instead of releasing new cards in new sets, re-release old cards in new set combinations to fabricate new blocks.

Meanwhile start pushing the new game and make it dirt-cheap to get into. It's new, it's shiny, it's what Wizard's is focusing on, and it seems balanced.

In a decade or two it could replace MTG entirely.

>>51566225
All that just to reprint dual lands?

Thing Lands.

Unplowed Fields

T: Add G
T: Add W only if you control a white permanent.

Don't give a fuck about official wording but there you go.

>>51566156
>Their designers say that they're running out of design space for equivalent lands.

Just fucking reprint the other multi-colour lands for ever.

>>51566224
Then the prices will drop, and new players will buy them, and THE CIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIIIFE.

>>51566270
The ones that enter tapped or the ones that entered tapped unless you have a basic land?

They're nowhere near as good as dual lands and won't help Legacy.

There are only two and a half cyclesof nonbasic lands with basic land types, and a ton of design space for them. How about duals with only one type, or mono color lands with three, or fetches that only fetch for one type but don't cost life and/or can tap for colorless, or duals with two types that etb tapped. So many ways to have manabases and wizards only prints two color lands with gimmicky etb tapped rules.

>>51566156
>legal reasons
Gonna show off my newfag for a second but what the fuck, either I'm misunderstanding this or you're trying to tell me they can't print more cards that they fucking own.
What the fuck?

>>51566389
Based on their strange comments in the past on how they COULDN'T comment on things, it seems as though they may have been sued over reprints way in the past.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/324249-the-secret-cabal-of-sue-happy-collectors-theory

>>51566420
So basically people who bought a bunch of high dollar cards would throw a shit fit over a product they bought getting devalued?
They also think that they have any right to sue over said devaluation?
Kek, that sounds fucking childish if I bought someone and then its price drops significantly for whatever reason I have no one but myself to be mad at for not waiting.
Thats like stockholders getting upset that their stock hit the shitter and trying to sue the company because they wasted their money

>>51566505
Yes, and there have been cases in the past (linked in that thread) that make give them worry.

Chances are they got fucked in the courts by people who could afford very good lawyers.

I'd imagine they're also terrified of ruining the secondary market.

>>51566522
>very good lawyers
People keep saying that as if a lawyer can actually change how the law works
>ruining the secondary market
Okay now I can understand that to an extent

>>51566580
>People keep saying that as if a lawyer can actually change how the law works
The law's open to interpretation. Similar cases where devaluing a product was case for court proceedings have happened.

>>51566246
i like this. imo there is always more design room.

>seasonal lands
land - forest plains
at the beginning of your upkeep put a season counter on ~this~ and then if there are two or more counters on ~this~ remove them.

Tap: add G to your mana pool. if there is a counter on ~this~ add W instead.
(1): add or remove a counter from ~this~

>>51566580
A lawyer can sue. The lawsuit can cost a lot even if wotc won. If i ran wotc i would also leave the reserve list alone.

Forest of Abandon
Land - Waste Forest.

Mountain of reflection
Land - mountain,
You may tap a land as mountain of reflection comes into play, if you do mountain of reflection gains all types that land is.

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http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/how-to-dismantle-the-reserved-list/

Interesting article about the reserve list.

>>51566666
I assume Legacy doesn't really make money for them directly, so you're probably right. Why touch this barrel of snakes?

>>51566629
They might argue that is functionally equivalent.

>>51566156
Snow-covered duals. They could print those whenever they felt like it.

The whole "we can't print RL cards" is just bullshit. If they really wanted to, they could run circles around such a stupid concept as the Reserved List. They don't reprint RL cards because it makes no financial sense.

>>51566717
No, they can't, they've updated the reserve list to be more restrictive. They can't be functionally equivalent.

You can't just call them snow-covered and they can't make them legendary.

>>51566698
that mountain is a bit wonky

how about this:

Cascading Peak
Land - Mountain
When this comes into play you may reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal another basic land. Exile that card. Cascading Peak can make any kind of mana produced by the exiled land. Shuffle your library.

>>51566717
the reserve list also stipulates that they can't print something that's functionally the same with other name.
Really, if you want to blame someone, blame the old wotc higherups.

>>51566757
Great, you just printed a $200 land. Not that i mind though.

>>51566594
>open to interpretation
Yeah and those cases may happen, but the judge needs to do his job and throw the cases out of court
>>51566666
They get mad over having wasted money, so the solution is waste more money to make them waste money for the smallest chance of getting a small bit of money back
Great thinking! Also nice get.

>>51566156
Print triple lands ;^)
Exactly like the dual lands but in three colors!
What shitstorm would ensue if that was to come true?

>>51566156
they should man up and ban dual lands, they're straight up better than basics with no drawback

When it comes to any problem with MtG, the answer is to create a new game. The game can never be fixed because the way combat, resources, and timing work are all terrible.

>>51566757
literally, LITERALLY better than dual lands, custom card fags need to seriously kys yourselves

>>51566826
>Also nice get
shit dude, i didn't even realize it.

>>51566757
Alright...
Maybe you should make it more painful, like exile all cards revealed this way.

It's stupid, WotC creating the promise of the reserve list is the only reason a lawsuit would hold any ground against them for reprinting the cards on it. They only thing stopping them from throwing the list out the window is themselves.

>ABOLISHING THE RESERVE LIST IS A PLAN ZZ LEVEL LAST RESORT WHEN SALES START FALLING AND THE GAME IS UNRECOVERABLE

ABOLISHING THE RESERVE LIST IS A PLAN ZZ LEVEL LAST RESORT WHEN SALES START FALLING AND THE GAME IS UNRECOVERABLE

>ABOLISHING THE RESERVE LIST IS A PLAN ZZ LEVEL LAST RESORT WHEN SALES START FALLING AND THE GAME IS UNRECOVERABLE

ABOLISHING THE RESERVE LIST IS A PLAN ZZ LEVEL LAST RESORT WHEN SALES START FALLING AND THE GAME IS UNRECOVERABLE

One way to get around the reserved list is to print duals in a supplemental product and just put downsides that are negligible for legacy. For example, "When you cast a spell with cmc 6 or greater, sac ~". Many decks never cast big spells, so decks like delver, storm, infect, shardless, lands, etc. would get a new cheap dual.

>>51567026
In some way, it is.
If come the time that they are desperate enough to abolish the reserve list, you know it's time to bail.

>>51567080
And these lands can't be played in the same decks as original dual because...?

>>51567196
do you not play legacy? Very few decks even run playsets of OG duals. Its mostly fetches, with 2-3 of the necessary duals. These would be budget "replacements" that aren't actually worse in practice

>>51567196
That is almost a non-factor. Most Legacy decks don't even play a full playset of duals, so being able to play 5+ of any one of them would have a negligible impact on the format.

>>51567026

This.

Even if there was no reserved list, why would anything change? WotC has put no effort into keeping modern affordable, so why would they bother doing it for legacy?

>>51566156
I would just ban these in Legacy and be done with it. Shocks in Legacy would actually give aggro a lease and would make the format much more affordable. The only thing is that the prize of shocks would shoot up but you can always reprint shocks. Ravnica 3, Modern Masters, Conspiracy, Commander sets even. It is easy to make a place for them in all kinds of supplemental sets, and in Standard in ocasion.

The only question is, will wizards care enough to keep the prize of shocks down?

The reason wotc will never support legacy (and is slowly dropping support for modern) is that it doesn't make them money. Even If they did a massive print run of legacy staples, they might make a lot of sales, but after the initial wave, a lot of people will be done buying product from wotc. Its no secret that legacy (or vintage, and to some extent modern) is a lot more fun than their shitty "curated" standard environments. and once people have their 1-3 decks that they like to play, they have basically no incentive to continue purchasing whatever garbage wizards can regurgitate every 3 months

>>51566156
The real question is where can I buy relatively cheap, high quality counterfeits?

>>51567409
I think shocks would have a much greater impact than just "give aggro a lease". Shocks are even worse in legacy because of cards like daze, price of progress, ad nauseam, etc. Plus the fact that brainstorm encourages holding on to fetches while shocks want you to fetch eot regardless. Overall it would make the format much shittier while not actually doing much to encourage people to play it.

>>51566777
>>51566883
you guys really think it's that good? you have little control over what the second color of mana is. if you hit a mountain it's a whiff.

>>51566156
how about artifact dual lands? hit by more hate, shut down by null rod in eternal formats, ultimately worse, but would be a proper replacement that in decks that need them instead of fucking shocking yourself every time you play one.

>>51566738
>they've updated the reserve list to be more restrictive
But why? Did they seriously get sued over the premium decks?

>>51567427
Lately standard has been pretty nice though.

Don't misunderstand me, BfZ block was shitty, but even then it did have a strong impact on most formats. Eldrazi winter was terrible, but in the end modern ended up somewhat diversifying and eldrazi stompy is a good budget option for Legacy.

SoI was underwhelming in many ways but overall it was certainly a step up from BfZ and actually had cool cards like Selfless Spirit, Rattlechains, Mausoleum Wanderer and Spell Queller (yes, I have a thing for Spirits). Sure, nothing with too much impact, but cool cards if you can ignore the cringy lore.

Kaladesh is the first plane in a long time that is A) Well built, B) Meta relevant and C) Well executed (although the focus on Ghirapur ended up making it feel like Mirrodin meets Ravnica). Plus, the art has been going up in quality.

I very much enjoy cards with quality art because they portray a well-crafted plane like Kaladesh best.

>>51567556
The common assumption is that there was a threat of that and so they closed the loopholes, but there's nothing official to support it and there likely never will be.

>>51567466
Right? I basically only play casual EDH and the occasional draft. I don't wanna shell out $90-$250 for something I do for fun, that's only that expensive because they refuse to make more. I'd never take them to tournaments or anything oficial, but fuck dude, I just want a slightly better mana base.

>>51567491
Maybe a ban on Price of Progress would be in order then?, I don't think Daze is problematic enough to warrant it though.

The Brainstorm argument is actually positive in my eye, since fetching or not becomes a more thought-out decision.

>>51566156
what's the issue with dual lands being printed again?

>>51567638
Maybe I should clarify.

Standard isn't nice, it's shitty like most of the time. Its Standard sets that are nice.

>>51566156
Bring down dual lands that are used a lot a rarity.

>>51567675
Its pretty easy to find if you just put the slightest effort into it. go to the bootlegmtg subreddit, it has most of the up to date information

>>51567804
Thank you kindly

>>51566666
WITNESSED

>>51566156
Make more shocklands.

>>51568441
>Mad Lands

Mangrove Riverbank
Island Forest
As Mangrove Riverbank enters the battlefield, you may exile the top card of your library, face down. If you don't, Mangrove Riverbank enters the battlefield tapped.

>>51568562
Wow holy shit what a downside exile one card from my library big whoop.

Okay heres a land idea

Volcanic Island
Mountain Island
Add U or R to your mana pool.

>>51566156
Make Legendary dual lands (or even Legendary tri-color lands) with a heavy tradeoff.

> Example 1:

Niv-Mizzet's Sanctum

Island Mountain

When ~ ETB, pay either U or R. Otherwise, it enters tapped.

> Example 2:

The Throne Room of Nicol Bolas

Island Mountain Swamp

When ~ ETB, pay URB, otherwise, take 4 damage and discard a card.

Why not ban OG dual lands?

>>51568789
>ex 1
Reasonable.
>ex 2
Nigga are you out of your goddamn mind thats a retarded ass card with a hueg downside

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>>51568780
oh wow ur so good u shud work for magic

>>51568780
>Let's make lands to replace dual lands to save eternal formats!
>"FUCK YOU! REPRINT DUAL LANDS!"

10/10

>>51568789
>When ~ ETB, pay either U or R. Otherwise, it enters tapped.
>pay either U or R
>Otherwise, it enters tapped.
Have you realized how stupid that sounds?

>>51568789
The problem is that if the downside isn't negligible or a non-factor, there is no reason to play the new lands. We already have shocks, we don't need another dual with conditional etb untapped. Shocks are played by people who don't have the money for duals or want to try a deck out, but you lose a significant portion of your games because of it. People who actually want to play the format will shell out for the actual duals and not take those percentage point hits.

>>51568892
eh, you can still make it work if anything makes your lands tap for more than 1 mana. As it is though, most of the time these are just fetchable etb tapped lands, and are quite a bit worse than the battle lands.

The solution is simple

>Ban Duals
>Reprint shocks
>???
>Profit

>>51569331
you shouldnt fuck up the format just because poorfags like you are too lazy to buy fakes

>>51566858
Oh sweet summer child.

>>51566858

Basics can't be hit by wasteland or blood moon you mongoloid. Those are excellent reasons to run a non-zero number of basics in any deck with more than 16 land.

>>51566937

That would actually be a good card. Uncounterable hermit druid ability? Hope you have stifle.

Dual manlands that don't etbt or have any other drawback. Yes, the manland ability would go unused except in rare occasions. It's just there for plausible deniability.

>>51570054
you realize hermit druid is good because the cards go to the grave, not exile right?

>>51570157
I do, but it's still a viable backup plan with labman+draw in hand

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i still like my previous idea
>>51566757
here are two more outside the box ideas:

>Saltwater Moat - 0
Artifact - Fortification
Fortified land is an island in addition to it's other types.
When ~this~ enters the battlefield Scry 1.
Fortify: 0

(i added the scry to offset the obvious card disadvantage...also...fuck yeah fortifications)

>Sanctum Gardens
Land - Plains
Earthbond (you may pair this land with an unpaired creature when either enters the battlefield. they remain paired for as long as you control both of them.)
As long as ~this~ is bonded with a creature it is a Forest and that creature is a Druid in addition to it's other types.

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>>51570206
Yo, I heard you like Druids

>>51570432
i honestly didn't even notice that people were already talking about druids itt

i just thought it was a somewhat flavorful and somewhat useful creature type

>>51566224
Magic is a slowly bursting bubble the secondary market is taking to much liberty gouging prices. Wizards isn't doing enough to support older sets. It's going to blowback hard down the line.

>>51571027
You're tellin me! I don't want to spend 400 dollars for a playset of Invoke Prejudices!

>>51566156
Could use some more like these:

As ~ enters the battlefield, you may reveal a enchantment card from your hand. If you don't, ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
T: Add W or G to your mana pool.

As ~ enters the battlefield, you may reveal a instant card from your hand. If you don't, ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
T: Add U or B to your mana pool.

As ~ enters the battlefield, you may reveal a sorcery card from your hand. If you don't, ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
T: Add B or R to your mana pool.

As ~ enters the battlefield, you may reveal a artifact card from your hand. If you don't, ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
T: Add W or U to your mana pool.

As ~ enters the battlefield, you may reveal a creature card from your hand. If you don't, ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
T: Add R or G to your mana pool.

>>51567495
>Basic only so you better have other basics
>if its a basic mountain then you played a mountain that shuffles your library
Its a fetchable dual that enters untapped and only guarantees one color. Its better than some other duals but its pretty much fine, 15$ dual in standard, might see modern play if someone decides to try a wonkey mana base to guarantee it to be an X/Y land. The biggest reason I see for them not printing it is the time it would take to shuffle your library 3 more times a game. Dont expect /tg/ to be good at evaluating card ideas.

Although the Fortify artifact idea is a bit strong. Take off the scry or give it fortify 1.

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just go back to painlands.

>>51574212
What does the total value of all these cards come to?

Do you think legacy players will turn a blind eye to proxies in the future?

So just for the sake of argument, what is preventing Wizards from notifying collectors well in advance that they will be reprinting the dual lands at some unspecified time in the next X years? There is no way they get nailed for insider trading because the fucking government doesn't regulate cards the same way they regulate stocks or the secondary market would not be fucking players over at every turn, so that can't be the answer.

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>>51574212
Is that all you got?

;)

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>>51574238
dunno, I try not to think about how much i've spent on magic these last 17 years.

I just like collecting shit. I mostly play Pauper these days.

>>51566826
Not just that, but the one bringing it should be charged with contempt. I think that it's something a bit simpler; they lost the rights to the art somehow.

>>51574262
>>51574212
Are these fucking single-sleeved?

>>51574283
>51574262 (You)
>Are these fucking single-sleeved?
Look at the bottom row.

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>>51574283
do you double-sock your feet?

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>>51574296


>>51574298
No, but I wear gloves and hats when appropriate.

>>51574238
>Do you think legacy players will turn a blind eye to proxies in the future?
Depends. Small local tournaments? Certainly.Plenty of shops offer 10 proxy leagues.

Larger tournaments will never be able to due to the legal and copyright issues WOTC has to deal with if someone else prints their products

One of the biggest problem with people who make and buy these proxies is people selling them online as the real thing when they are done with them. They're getting better, and while the 20 years of aging prevents the reserve list stuff from having perfect counterfeits, its already where the average player cant tell just from an eBay listing. Nothing sucks more as someone who has been in this game a long time than telling little timmy the Duals he spent 300$ on were actually just Chinese fakes.

>>51574278
On that same note, the logic of "Some brony neckbeard would sue" would prevent WOTC from altering banlists or even printing cards altogether. I cannot think of a single instance where someone was able to sue on the grounds of "He lowered the value of my thing". The value of a card from a booster pack would be little more than the price of the booster pack divided by the number of cards in it in the eyes of the law.

>>51574212
I want to hotglue Antonino De Rosa's dumbass face.

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>>51574359

>>51574328
I am drawing a blank on the legal term, but their are grounds for publicly stating something, people assuming its true, then when the company goes back on their word the people sue their dicks off. Its not about the cards losing money, its that they promised to never reprint them publicly.

>>51566738
And that's stupid because now they can't print card like a 2/2 flying first strike card for 1WW because Thunder spirit is on the reserved list.

>>51574384
If that held any weight the entire gaming industry, digital and traditional, would be obliterated on a monthly basis.

>>51574477
Nearly all of the cases that should happen fall under the legal purview of "Puffery" and for reasons nobody outside of a courtroom will ever understand, it works. They said, in no unclear terms, that they would never reprint the cards on the list drawn up and shown before you as the reserve list.

>>51566666
FUCKING


QUINTS!

>>51567686
literally hitler

ban every single reserved list card

fuck hoarders

>>51566224
>Legacy will die
Wotc would give 0 fucks

>>51566629
It doesn't work if you word it like that, if they have the land type to be fetchable then they have the tap for appropriate colored mana ability built in. Wizards would have o change the ruling and make a bunch of errata.

>>51566156
Good Guy Tundra
Plains Island
When Good Guy Tundra enters the battlefield you gain 1 life.

Then make an article telling speculators to go fuck themselves because the resserved list doesn't prevent you from printing cards that are better than the cards in it.

>>51578196
>printing something BETTER than a dual land

Wow, that'll be the day.

>>51566156
>Buy lots of chinamen fakes
>Sell em as legit
Also
>order cards from SCG and when they arrive, exchange them for fakes
>Spread your anger on social media.
>Make them exchange your fakes for legit cards
>Profit

>>51566738
They could make them Legendary.
Any modification that changes the card's functionality is enough to subvert the Resserved List as seen with Donate and Harmless Offering.

A word and a mana symbol is enough to ignore the lest. Any text on a future Tundra's rules box would be enough to tell hoarders to go fuck themselves.
>You gain 1 life
>You lose 1 life
>Target opponent gains 1 life
>Target opponent gains 2 life
>Target opponent loses 1 life
>Dance the hokey pokey

Anything. They just need to have the balls.

>>51578390
No, legendary doesn't count, that's been covered in arguments before.

>>51578390
>>51578390
>>You gain 1 life
>>You lose 1 life
>>Target opponent gains 1 life
>>Target opponent gains 2 life
>>Target opponent loses 1 life
>>Dance the hokey pokey
These either make them more powerful (bad idea) or worse which maintains the problem.

>They just need to have the balls.
I agree.

>>51566156
There is no problem. Start reusing old dual lands. Of course, that wouldn't work out as well financially, since players would eventually have all the lands they need and never need to buy more.

Ive never done card design but what about dual lands that enter the battlefield tapped if played from hand. That way you can still fetch like normal, but theyre not as powerful as og duals. Or am I just an idiot?

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>>51566156
Magic 2.0 that either eliminates the needs of, or mitigates lands.

For example, pic related. It is mechanically 99% similar to Magic but with a few very big differences:
First Strike is replaced with initiative
"Lands" are more abstracted
Both players start with *some* resources in play
Players have multiple Attack Steps
On your turn, you decide if you want a free land drop or card draw (but not both).
And my personal favorite: You can pay mana to play lands or draw cards.

>>51578473
There is a problem.

>there are a limited number of dual lands left in circulation
>the price of dual lands is fucking huge
>getting into Legacy is prehibitively expensive

>>51578493
That is pretty horrible. You'd see fetches not jump but *LEAP* in price overnight.

Possibly more expensive than regular duals.

>>51578196
>Reserved list doesn't prevent printing strictly better versions of cards on it
It actually does

>>51566738
Being snow interacts with Skred, Pithing Needle and Gifts Ungiven just to name a few, they wouldn't be functionally equivalent.

>>51578558
The problem isn't with fetches, which can be reprinted, but with OG duals, which won't. It's about making similar lands to the og duals that could be used.

>>51578644
No, it doesn't. It prevents exact reprints and functional reprints. Shocklands are as allowed as "Plains Island, this enters the battlefield tapped unless you gain two life".

>>51578853
Perhaps the problem isn't availability of duals, but that they exist in the first place. They are unbalanced which is why everyone wants them.

Honestly, non-fetchable lands that tap for both colors would be fine. I wouldnt consider them overpowered either.

>>51578926
The only issue with that is that they do in fact already exist. So now all we can do if spitball ways to work around them or make them easier to replicate.

>>51578992
By that argument, Moxen and P9 should be available for use. That's faulty. Magic has progressed from where it was 20 years ago. Embrace the change and stop wishing to go back to the past.

>>51578992
Or you could ban them in all formats.

>>51578926
There is notthing inherently unbalanced about duals. It's modern design that wants to opress the avaliable decks.

>>51579036
Not true, at all. I want duals to get the same treatment as moxen to an extent. Moxen were broken so now we have mana rocks and signets to do similar shit without being incredibly fucked. We can do the same with duals, and I think that was the point. How to get useable alternatives to duals. If we ban OG duals the other duals will just spike in price.

I agree with the idea to ban dual lands.

since most of the dual problems actually stem from the fetches, would hitting those make legacy better? would hitting fetches make printing duals less "dangerous"?

>>51579261
Legacy is fine as-is. As other people have said, you don't *need* full sets of Duals in Legacy most of the time.

>>51568562
I could almost see these being better than Duals in some circumstances, i.e. getting you out from a Brainstorm lock more quickly or removing a single bad card from a Ponder pile

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>>51566156
>1. Make a strictly better land (so it's not a functional reprint but also leaving no reason to ever buy the original set except for collecting reasons)
>2. Print in MASSIVE quantities
>3. Don't give a fuck that this makes mana bases in eternal formats even stronger

Super-Duper Dual Land
{}
Land - (Basic Land Type) (Basic Land Type) [COMMON]
A deck can have any number of cards named ~.
T: Add (Color 1) or (Color 2) to your mana pool.

>>51579310
wow i really am tired, didnt word the question properly. what i meant was if the fetches didnt exist, would duals be a major talking point? would running non-fetchable lands be worth more?
all of the talking points essentially boil down to "this land is searchable by fetch lands" so if you take those out of the picture, are printing duals that are equivalent or better in some cases as much of an issue?

>>51579261
All this would do is make Delver unplayable, weaken any non-Delver deck that runs Brainstorm and as an indirect consequence buff non-blue combo and dropalockpieceonturn1.dec, essentially kill Legacy and make it Modern lite. Duals would still see play whenever possible because they fix your mana and the opportunity cost of running more basics in multicolor decks to not fold to Wasteland is greater than being mana screwed every other game.

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>>51574147
thanks for the input. i like throwing ideas around.

i was very unsure of the power level of the fortification. i do hope they bring that back eventually. i like when card types interact in strange ways. i also came up with some silly land equipments.

>>51574026
i like these.

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>>51583141
i've been tossing around the idea of a liar's pendulum land, something like "when etb, (liars pendulum effect) if they guess wrong, it etb's untapped, otherwise, it etb's tapped"

I am sure this has been said but how about taking the original dual lands off the reserve list and reprinting all of them for standard,modern,and frontier format.

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>>51567466
Up your arse, Anon.

>>51567675
If you can't spare a couple hundred of disposable income a year, don't bother with a hobby.

Land that when you play it you can exile a card from your hand or library to produce mana of that card's colour? It could start with a colour or colourless, maybe no colour and you just got to hope for the best?

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While we're on the topic of dual lands, why doesn't wizards just reprint already existing lands rather than try to make shit that will never see the light of day once rotation comes, meaning their entire existence is to increase deck costs by 20-40 dollars like pic related?

>>51566156
What exactly is the problem though?

The way you've phrased the question makes it nothing but vague bullshit nonsense that doesn't mean anything.

>>51566156
Step 1: Gradually 'update' the reserve list. Take off a card nobody cares about. Put on one they also don't care about. People might freak a bit, but just wait. Don't reprint the removed or added card.
Step 2: Repeat this process every so often. Remove 2 cards and add a junk one. Gradually work your way through the list without reprinting anything.
Step 3: Wait for a while. The reserve list is now basically a bunch of useless cards, though everything that was on it still scarce.
Step 4: Print the now unreserved cards now that everyone has forgotten. If they try and sue, they'll end up pointing to a list that's clearly several years out of date.

>>51587485
So people have to open new packs instead of reusing their old copies.

>>51587676
>i don't know how real world works

>>51587695
ITT: the real reason the reservelist still exists.

>>51567515
>artifact lands
>worse

>>51567695
reserve list.

>>51589538
He probably didn't know about the ban lists

>>51566224
Lad...

Legacy has been dead for a long time

>>51587695
People bitched and whined when the Glacial Fortress cycle was reprinted like 4 times because they felt bad about opening them in packs; or cried that they weren't the Innistrad ones. The one good thing Wizards had done to give piles upon piles of cheap good mana in Standard.

I wanted to crucify those people.