>Lorgar of Colchis. You may consider the following. One: I

>>51546196

Now if Abnett can write the book about this, Guilliman might even be redeemed.

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>>51546480
Hell no, Abnett's shit beyond measure now.

He'd pull new fluff out of his ass just because, and write bullshit about every room the avtion takes place for 3 pages every single time.

>>51546196
It looks like a terrible cross between a Stormcast and Space Marine. Those proportions are jank, but it might just be the blue and helmet throwing the whole thing off

>>51546616
Like this looks actually pretty fucking good.

>>51547674
Yeah I agree. The proportions of Primarchs aren't that weird in the Forge World stuff. They're closer to just really large Space Marines. That looks way better as the Emperor.

>>51546480
abnett is physically incapable of writing a book that's just about space marines doing space marine things

>>51546616
Cool to see my photoshop getting shared.
Glad you anons enjoy it.

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>>51546196
>dat proportions

>>51546196
Vulkan when?

>>51546616
You no like secret primarchs and perpetuals.

TOO BAD.

Welcome to Age of Emprah now.

>>51551330
How the fuck does Reinhardt's armor work anyway? He's a normal human in that suit and the proportions of it are absolutely not human.

I'm also surprised no one's converted a mini into him yet. He'd fit right in 40k.

>>51554226
>blizzard armor

>>51554226
He's a big guy

>>51546196

>brainlets

>>51554226
He's clearly a dimensionally-displaced WoW human. Maybe even a very small Vrykul.

It helps that one of the Paladin Artifacts has an easter egg appearance where it's just his hammer.

>>51554630
40ku

>>51546616
How can this shitty Gulliman miniature be such great Emperor miniature?
This is some Jaden Smith level of mindrape.

>>51546616
>Emperor
>that ugly face

>>51554751
because the emperor has struck that pose and his proportions are fucked

>>51546616
Stoooop, Hasbro.

Stats or gtfo

>>51554226

I think he actually has proportions that are close to it which could be chalked up to Blizzard having a cartoony style that is more about conveying an idea than trying to be realistic. The proportions of Zarya feel like a decent example.

>>51554226
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0NET2dYB8

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Is that a flamer or a bolter, or both?

>>51557435
it's a plasma-bolts flamesmelter

>>51557500
That's what I thought!

>>51550533
It's everywhere now my dude. You're famous.

>>51554751
>>51546616

It's because the spikey-eagle thing fits with the emporer.

Meanwhile Row-boat is supposed to have a roman theme, but the model lacks any of that other than the tassels.

>>51550533
I'm really upset about how faggy you made the fingers

>>51546616
The sporran actually makes that model look better for me. Something about the normal ultra-wide groin that all spehs muhreens have seems exaggerated to ridiculous levels on that model and it hides it.

Now if I can just work out how to effectively file off all the Tzeentchian tentacle-detailing on the armour, it might look like it belongs to the Primarch of the Ultramarines.

>>51546196
Guilliman would bitch-slap Lorgar. Horus rated Guilliman as one of his closest rivals in terms of martial ability, Lorgar was a joke amongst the Primarchs. Even Daemonhood couldn't change that.

>>51557722

Lorgar became the third strongest psyker in the world after turning to Chaos

>>51557742
Must be a small world.

>>51557722

>Horus rated Guilliman as one of his closest rivals in terms of martial ability
>Gets fucked up by a squad of generic Alpha Legion marines

>>51557815
>Gets fucked up by a squad of Alpharius

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>>51557722
>Even in Daemonhood I still job

>>51546196
This is Guilleman? He looks like a night Lords marine with all that weird spikey shit.

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>>51546196
More like Fag-gar of Cock-kiss amirite.

>>51554189
Secret twin was the only major new idea in Legion that DIDN'T come from Abnett. And Perpetuals are a loose reinterpretation or reincarnation or resurrection if you like of the Sensei, even if that wasn't Abnett's original intent when he first wrote Grammaticus (but when he first wrote Grammaticus, there were no "Perpetuals").

>>51558017
+++KNEEL+++

>>51557863
kekked

>>51557742
>Emprah
>The Sigillite
>Magnus
>Ahriman
>Sanguinius
>Eldrad

7th strongest at best.

>>51558347
Magnus was a stronger psyker than Malcador though, since he was going to power the webway gate for Big E when everything was done.

>>51558475
Wasn't that before Chaos started to rise?

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>>51558017
>He has faith that our mission is holy, not I.
>Roboute's face when waking up and seeing the Ecclesiarchy

>>51557964
Jesus, gotta find my ant glasses to see the details.

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>>51558582
lol

>>51558582
I for one welcome the Imperium embracing atheism and reason.

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>>51557964
>>51558604
Better?

>>51558530
He's right, Magnus was always stronger than Malcador, and he was intended to sit on the Throne. Malcador did becaus eof necessity and it killed him in mere hours.

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>>51558653
Thanks.

>>51558632
LORGAAAAAR

>>51558632
more like secularism

>>51558762
It will be a new golden age for the mankind.

>>51557742
I wouldn't be surprised if he was still below Sanguinius or even Fulgrim.

>>51558347
>That list

Emprah
Magnus
Sigilite
Lorgar
Eldrad
Sanguinius
Ahriman

>>51554189
What the fuck are perpetuals?

>>51558830
People that don't die when they are killed.

>>51558805
>Eldrad
I wouldn't be surprised if he's beaten out in the rankings by some shit like the Apex twins, the Pythosian psyker, some daemon or big tyranid, or just one of those throwaway super powerful unsanctioned psykers who only got mentioned once or twice.

>>51558847
Wait, are you saying anime lied to me?

>>51558475
Yeah, Magnus is definately #2.

>>51546196
I'm hoping that 41k will have some daemon primarch sightings to go with the OG Papa Smurf's return.

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>>51558582
Guilliman never seemed that overboard with the Imperial Truth to my mind. Ollanius Pius was openly Catholic whilst living in the Five Hundred Worlds.

I think the real reason he'll lose his shit with the High Lords/Ecclesiarchy will be how disgustingly corrupt and inefficient they are rather than their religious beliefs. If there's one thing that's going to cause Guilliman to blow a gasket, it'd be corruption and mismanagement at a state level.

I wonder if he'll be tempted to bump the Ultras back up to legion strength now he's back.

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>>51559020
Did you miss Magnus coming back?

>>51559044
wonder how he'll get on with ol' Cato

>>51559044
>I wonder if he'll be tempted to bump the Ultras back up to legion strength now he's back.
Doubtful, he's probably perfectly fine leaving the chapters split. Gives them more autonomy, and the marines are the only ones in the imperium who still sort of hold to his ideals.

>>51559054
I did not. I was just thinking that there are a bunch of other guys who we know are still around and, since the timeline is being moved forward ever so slightly now, it would be fun to see some of those other guys actually getting involved and doing stuff.

>>51559044
>I wonder if he'll be tempted to bump the Ultras back up to legion strength now he's back.
I would think that he'd be tempted, but the division was his idea to begin with and the justifications he used back then are no less valid in the present. Reorganization for the sake of more efficient mobilization and joint performance might be on the table, but regressing the entire command structure is probably undesirable.

>>51558347
Why are Eldar such pathetic Psykers and Seers when its their main hats which keeps being repeated?

>>51546196
I need a full size image of this model, can anyone help?

>Cato will never be top dog in the Ultramarines now, unless his PRIMARCH DIES
I think Roboute would probably think Cato is kind of a tit but we'll just have to see.

>>51559373
because 40k is a human wank fest thats written solely to glorify space marines, every other faction can get rekt as far as the fluff is concerned

>>51559064
He won't even give a shit I'm sure.

I feel like people are projecting wayyyy too much in the future with Guiliman. He's being awoken litteraly right before a BL attack on Ultramar, he's not going to have time to chitchat his way through the thousands issues of the Imperium, but rather wake up, get into the Armor of Fates, and start slashing fuckers with his daddy's sword. At most, the book will end with the victory of the UM and a side plot with the GK and the Fallen but that's it. Meanwhile there's still all the other factions and 1st Founding SM chapters to deal with, at the same time, meaning we won't hear abour Guiliman again for quite some time.
Add to that the 30 year anniversary of 40k, which means a solid months hiatus on everything, and there's not a ghance he'll do what people are imagining he's going to do.

>>51559398
warhammer community site, mate

I wonder what Rowboat's reaction will be when he finds out about the loophole abuse of the Black Templars, the Space Wolves, and the Dark Angels.

>>51559398
Go on Warhammer Community.

What's the ETA of the triumphant return of former Supreme Grand Master Kaldor Draigo of the Grey Knights?

>>51559416
Dude we already know one of the battle scenarios is Guilliman's fleet enroute to Terra.

Guilliman's gonna win on Macragge in like two fights then go to Terra where the rest of the story is.

>>51559415
I know its just...that list puts it very badly into perspective. I mean the Eldar's top Psyker doesn't even crack the top five and, like the other anon pointed out, there are people who are probably being left out who should also be on that list.

To rub salt in it Eldrad's also the worst seer ever, well 2nd to Starbane I guess, but Eldar Seers suck at predicting anything. Tigurius has a much better track record with predictions than any Eldar ever.

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>>51559020
>>51559094
It's basically guaranteed, they've been setting up the return of all of them since the start of 6th edition.

>>51559398
Other anons already answered, but links for the extra lazy:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/gathering-storm-iii-rise-of-the-primarch-first-look/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/march-for-macragge/

>>51559484
>battle scenarios is Guilliman's fleet enroute to Terra
what kind of scenario is that? What fight is that even supposed to be?Ultra vs who?

>>51559415
Correct, unless either the Tau or Abandon is involved. They are the only things with more plot armour.

>>51559577
Kairos.

>>51559578
I meant Abaddon if it wasn't obvious.

>>51559578
Abaddon's still mostly lost everything. FoC is one victory, it doesn't erase all the other times he's had to run away like a little bitch.

Not to mention even the Tau only have two major victories against the Imperium, Agrellan and Prefectia, and Agrellan got negated by the Imps later anyway and then the Imps killed the Supreme Leader of all Tau and divided their Empire in half in one move.

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>>51559592
>Imperial Primarch vs Kairos Fatejobber

>>51559577
Pull off a coup against the high lords and then garrison the fuck out of Terra in preparation for Abaddon.

>>51559620
To be honest has any named Daemon ever won a fight against a named Marine Special Character?

I mean -jobber can pretty much be attached to most non-Marine character's names.

>Eldrad Ulthjobber
>Ghazghkull Mag Jobba
>Ka'Jobber
>Doomjobber
>Swarmjobber
>Magnus the Jobber
>Nazdreg Jobber (have no idea how to make a play on his name, but he's never canonically won a fight so it counts)
>Eldorath Starjobber
and so on and so forth

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>>51559685
>Ghazghkull Mag Jobba
Laughed harder than I should have.

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>>51559608
Nope, all Crusades were victories or achieved their objectives.

And the Tau ended TSE with a new positive gain in ground as the Imperial counterattack failed to push them backk across the gulf. The Tau already perfecting technology to cross the fire.

>>51559685
>To be honest has any named Daemon ever won a fight against a named Marine Special Character?
Do Primarchs vs Daemon Primarchs count? Because I'm coming up short otherwise.

>>51559608
>Abaddon's still mostly lost everything.
He's come out ahead every time.

>>51559710
Seriously, the Black Legion supplement has been out for years and it frequently gets referred to whenever the Black Crusades are the topic of discussion. How long can it take for this stuff to sink in?

>>51559710
>All crusades were victories
Sure they were.

Even if you want to accept he achieved his 'goals' doesn't change that he's lost every battle he's ever fought till Cadia and had to run away.

The Tau have only seized two major worlds, yeah, Prefectia and Agrellan (and Kauyon itself describes Prefectia as actually being unimportant). Then the Imperium blew up Agrellan, cut the empire in half and killed the only faction leader to die in pretty much the entireity of 40k. I mean the Tau do well for Xenos, sure, but you shouldn't overblow their achievements.

>>51559738
No, those don't count.

I am actually genuinely interested now. Has a named Daemon Special Character ever gotten the better (and not only temporarily only to be defeated later) of a Marine Special Cahracter?

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>>51559685
>>51559824
Well, Ka'Bandha did beat Sangui-
>and not only temporarily only to be defeated later
Never mind.

And Nazdreg has had victories, but like other characters of his ilk, they're only victories of the "they happened" type.

>>51559812
>Even if you want to accept he achieved his 'goals' doesn't change that he's lost every battle he's ever fought till Cadia and had to run away.

Nope, he didn't lose every battle. There are some victories as the fluff says and he retreats to consolidates his gains and plans for another strike at the Imperium to forward his 10K year old plan

>The Tau have only seized two major worlds, yeah,

And dozens of systems and worlds. Agrellan and Prefectia are just the focus on the narrative. All the named TSE Septs and conolies remain standing minus Agrellan. All of them were gained in 3 years and the Tau still have them due to the Imperials failure to push them back. The murdering of Aun'Va and the firewall was the Imperial response to losing the ground war. And the Tau are already bouncing back. Also half their empire? It's just the ground they gained in an 3 year expansion. It can't be more than 10%.

>>51559905
colonies*

>>51559903
Honestly feel bad for the Daemons now, and that isn't a normal sentiment of mine.

Also the 'we did some damage to unnamed worlds' doesn't really ever cound since for all we know those were agri worlds. If we don't get told of any significant military opposition then it doesn't mean anything.

>>51559905
All of those are unimportant and minor systems, like the 200 systems claimed in the Achillus crusade and such, they don't mean anything because 40k trades those figures around very loosely and without caring for their significance.

What mattters is when narrative wait is attached to a thing, like Prefectia and Agrellan, and in the end those are the only two substantive victories the Tau have ever achieved (and the Imperium rendered Agrellan null and void later anyway).

Additionally the Tau are not 'already bouncing back' no fluff has come out yet documenting exactly what state they are in beyond separation, we'll ahve to wait and see before making a sweeping declaration like that.

The book itself says the Empire is divided in half, if I'm not mistaken, but more importantly the Empire has been cut off from the bulk of its military which was busy with the Expansion, leaving the Tau Empire exposed and defenceless for the most part. Mont'ka describes the events explicitly, thus canonically, as a Tau loss.

>>51559504
This has also confused me. When I got into 40k Eldar kept being described as strong Psykers. But if you look at all the Fluff all strong Psykers are Humans or the Hive Mind. No Eldar has any even halfway impressive Psyker feat so why does the codex act like Eldar are powerful Psykers?

>>51560068
It's an overall thing.

>>51560068
Standart eldra > Standart human as psyker

>>51560090
But overall humans are stronger. All the strongest ones are humans and the Alpha Level Psykers are also all human.

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>>51546196
Have you lost your temper, Roboute?
You have lost your temper.

>>51560098
Okay but the Codex says that Eldar are super powerful Psykers, shouldn't that mean the strongest Eldar Psykers should also be among the Strongest Psykers in the galaxy?

But instead all the strongest Psykers are humans (and the Hive Mind)

>>51560068
Don't forget the 10k Sons legions. In the HH fluff even a random one of them performs feats you basically never even see Farseers capable of doing. I mean Eldrad can only conjure up a shield strong enough to block a Dreadnought when he's empowered by all the souls of the dead Eldar, whilst Thousand Sons are trading blows with Titans and the like

>>51554751
because you are a gw hater and everything gw put out is 10000% retarded while everything fanmade is so much better than gw. thats literraly it.

>>51560110
Eldars super powerful psykers in comparision with standart human psykers.But humans have more named characters

>>51560110
That's mostly Horus Heresy's fault. At this stage, cause each Primarch is a gary-stu who pretty much out performs all factions on his own, very isn't any faction who can do something which a Primarch, at least one, can't do better than them.

Orks can't rage like Fenris or Angron, Necron can't artifice like Vulkan or design like the Emperor, Eldar can't Psychic like any Primarch and so on and so forth

>>51559985
>All of those are unimportant and minor systems, like the 200 systems claimed in the Achillus crusade and such, they don't mean anything because 40k trades those figures around very loosely and without caring for their significance.

They are important because they appear on the galactic map especially for small factions like the Tau. For them it's not a drop in the pocket. It's a huge land grab. Now go check the TSE septs. One system is a huge deal for the Tau.

>only two substantive victories the Tau have ever achieved (and the Imperium rendered Agrellan null and void later anyway).

Also the planet the Tau conquered offscreen.

>no fluff has come out yet documenting exactly what state they are in beyond separation

They are developing technology to cross the fire gulf and they are focusing on healing and consolidation as motioned by Aun'Va's hologram. There is no greater threat, as far as we know, that's threatening the Tau. So nothing stopping them doing just that.

>The book itself says the Empire is divided in half

What? There are 5 established septs, counting the FFG sept. beyond the gulf. That's no way half of the Tau.

>leaving the Tau Empire exposed and defenceless for the most part.

Only the expansion forces are isolated.

There are Tau forces within the Empires borders that were left behind to contain neighbouring threats. The forces of combined Tau septs which should be far more than the TSE forces. If anything is in danger is the guys beyond the gulf who can hardly be reinforced from the empire and its core worlds.

>Mont'ka describes the events explicitly, thus canonically, as a Tau loss.

Because Agrellan was suppose be a glorious sept for the Tau that will propel them to further advancement and progress. All their effort they put into taking and building up the planet was robbed from them.

>>51560185
But in fluff Eldar Seers are always beat by Marines. Their Psychic is never even Alpha level.

>>51560221
You know many alpha level humans. Primarchs and SM not humans
alpharius

>>51560241
It was a question

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lmao I bet you can't even cast Summoning with less than 6 warp charge dice, smurfs are you even trying?

>>51560203
No they really aren't important, that's why GW wastes no time talking about them. There are throwaway Crusades where the Imperium is mentioned as claiming 200+ Systems, which is far more than the Tau ever had, but it hardly matters because they have no narrative weight. For all we know every single one of those planets you were discussing were primitive agriworlds. We also know for a fact that the only worlds the Imperium considers in the area to be valuable, the Gilded Worlds, are not taken by the Tau.

The Tau have begun development, at a high cost, it said. It also specifically mentions they are healing and consolidating because they've been beaten. It does not say the Tau are bouncing back, it explicitly states the opposite, that they have been forced on the defensive for a change because their loss was so grievous.

Don't blame me for what GW says, but what they say is canon.

The Third Sphere Expansion force is the largest concentration of military force in Tau history, and includes contributions from all Septs. Its explicitly called their largest military force ever. And of course there are threats, there are at least two splinter fleets enroute already.

Seriously, the Tau have done well for a Xenos (second only to the nids) but your overstating their success. The Imperium itself in the canonical material considers the loss of the Raven Guard Chapter Master to be the only meaningful loss suffered yet and their overall objective, defending the Gilded worlds, succeeded. Hence why none of them, at the end of Mont'la, are disappointed (except Khan cause of his desire to kill Shadowsun personally).

>>51560100
>But overall humans are stronger.
The overwhelming majority of humans can't do any psyker stuff at all. Not even basic telepathy. The number of people who are even powerful enough to rank on the scale of psychic ability is a tiny decimal of the general population. And of the ones who become sanctioned psykers, most will just be unexceptional attaches to Guardsmen regiments, or something along those lines.

You can't say they're overall stronger just because an infinitesimally small number of outliers exist. That's not what 'overall' means.

>>51560241
It doesn't matter if Primarchs and SM aren't human (and I'd argue they still are) why are they so much better than Eldar Psykers? Why do Eldar not even have a single Psyker in the top 5?

>>51560280
Then why are all those outliers stronger than all Eldar? Where are the Eldar outliers?

>>51560280
It is still a fair point. Its pretty glaring at this point that all the greatest warriors and Psykers in the galaxy come from humanity and Eldar, despite supposedly being enormously potent psychically, have no significant Psykers beyond Eldrad (who has a terrible track record)

>>51560274
>smurfs are you even trying?
unsheathes grav skyhammer battle company

>>51560299
They're exceptions that prove the rule. The larger your sample base, the more probable it is that abnormalities will appear.

>>51560299
They have to dodge Slaanesh at all time or get devoured by him. Humans don't have the same problem.

Wait.

Two Eldar murderblowns, a Deathjester and a Shadowseer, in an attempt to send a warning to the Emperor killed dozens of custodes before being arrested.

>>51560338
So what Eldar just aren't ever near the top of the strongest Psykers?

Why are all the strongest Psykers pretty much exclusively from one group?

>>51560319
Don't bother, any attempt to imply that perhaps the Psyker Faction should have some characters be among the strongest Psyker is apparently ridiculous, much more important that all Primarchs remain alone in that group.

After all we wouldn't want a faction other than the Imperium/Chaos to matter now would we?

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>>51559985
>If we don't get told of any significant military opposition then it doesn't mean anything.
In fairness, there is also how he defeated or outwitted all the Imperial forces sent against him. Still nothing truly relevant, although Nazdreg has never exactly been at the height of relevance anyway.

>>51560135
The codex says Eldrad has "broken Titans" and "slain kings and heroes without number", but then it also says he's thwarted the Necrons even though we've only ever seen the opposite happen.


>pictured, Turd Bearers and a Daemon Prince in their natural state

>>51557815
>generic Alpha Legion marines

Alpharius would like to have a word with you anon

>>51560365
Because humans outnumber and outreproduce the Eldars to a crazy degree. So naturally humans are more likely to get more anomalies.

>>51560344
Welcome to 40k, where almost everyone jobs like fucking hell.

>>51560110
Keep in mind that the Eldar in 40k cannot really use their psychic powers the way humans can (with basically wanton abandon) because Slaanesh will zone in on their souls the moment they flare up too brightly in the warp and proceed to consume them, regardless of if they have soulstones or not. Soultsones don't save you from deamonic possession.

That's why the Eldar seers use the runes and rituals etc when they do psychic shit. It is to shield themselves from any unwanted predations of warp creatures, especially Slaanesh, that is on 24/7 hunt for yummy eldar souls.

That really limits the ability of the Eldar to do flashy psychic shenanigans. There is a reason why they are more focused on seeing the future and manipulating events.

>>51560413
That's the problem though, if they aren't marines, everyone else pretty much has informed ability at best and, the moment they go up against Marines, tips over their own two feet and loses.

Also nice to see a Daemon Prince win a duel...only to instantly then lose the battle and die. Guess I should take what I can get

>>51560427
But why are there no Eldar anomalies at all? Psychic is their hat but not a single Eldar is in the top 5 strongest Psykers? This isn't weird?

Also, like some other anons have now pointed out, isn't it kinda weird that all the strongest Psykers come from one group?

>>51560454
But Eldar are shit seers, they get everything wrong 9/10 times in the fluff

>>51560496
>But why are there no Eldar anomalies at all? Psychic is their hat but not a single Eldar is in the top 5 strongest Psykers? This isn't weird?

The sole reason for why there are no superpowered Eldar psykers is because as someone else already stated, 40k is humanity/marine wank, and the writers want to make their mary sue primarchs etc superpowered ultra heroes that cannot be bested by anyone, let alone an alien.

>>51560496
>But why are there no Eldar anomalies at all?
Small population and a policy of suppressing psychic potential in all members of their society to safeguard against having their souls eaten. Part of their seer training involves building the mental discipline and fortitude necessary to gradually unlock more of their latent psychic potential.

>>51559577

Well he's riding with Cypher...

>>51560567
So if they train to unlock their psychic potential why aren't the really old ones strong? Why is Eldard so weak then if he's like 10000 years old?

>>51560518
Yeah this is something that's bugged me since HH really began. At this stage Primarchs have become like Saiyans to DBZ, if you aren't one you simply don't matter in power terms (except the Emperor)

The fact that at this stage Eldar characters rank so low as Psykers, and Ork characters so low as combatants is a pity

>>51560511
That's blatantly wrong.
They get shit right most of the times. The reason why stories feature them making flawed predictions is because when the Eldar get their visions 100% right, they don't have to do jack shit themselves, other than maybe quickly raid a location, to set a chain of events in motion that ultimately serves their own interests, which is not that interesting from wargaming perspective.

It is when their visions fail, or are otherwise flawed, when you get more interesting events and conflicts, because if they were right in their visions 100% of the time, they would never be under any threat at all, because they could see the fucking future and plan accordingly.

Also, note that seeing the future is not easy in 40k. The skein of fate is a multi threaded, tangled mess that gives no clear picture of what is certain to happen, just a multitude of different possibilities waiting to uncoil themselves. In addition, the skein is manipulated by malicious entities, chiefly among them, Tzeench, for twisting fates is his domain.

The real question you should ask is why Spesh Muhreen characters are always successful at seeing the future, though I suspect that you know the answer, which is simply "Marine Wank".
Marines after all, have to be the bestest faction ever so that the kids will keep buying them.

>>51560619
Other than Armageddon name a time an Eldar Prophecy succeeded.

>>51560594
because their maximum limit is much inferior to those of humans.
Car analogy, You can put a double or triple turbo in your 1.4 L engine, it will be faster than other 1.4L engine but you can't even compete with 6.2L base

>>51560645
Maedrax.

>>51560652
So Eldar are inferior Psykers?

>>51560381
Remember when non primachs mattered?

>>51560652
Actually, the new Ynnari lore says that the Eldar limitt heir power to avoid the attention of Slaanesh. The Eldar regressed from the powerful existence that is the Aledari who mastered both physical and spiritual might. The Ynnari are returning the Eldar to being Aledari.

>>51560677
>However a Battle Barge of the Blood Angels soon arrives, exacting a heavy toll on the Eldar. Worse still, the Necron presence is much higher then originally believed and an entire Dynasty awakens and overruns the system
H-how is this a success?

Also, again, did Eldrad lose to mooks?

>>51560686
yeah.
Basically primarchs ans space marines do everything better than anyone

>>51560612
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I began noticing about two years ago that any discussion about power in 40k was just Primarchs and Emperor and no other faction was even mentioned. Bugged me.

Glad at least some other people don't like it.

>>51560612
The setting needs a Beerus

>>51560732
I was never against the primarchs having significance bUT what bugged me is that that instead of humanities one shot at matching alien strength we seem to surpass it regularly, ruining the beaten mad underdog effect the imperium os supposed to have in the setting to make them sympathetic even as the lash out violently at those who might not deserve it.

Now the imperium come off as fat bullies who stomp everyone regularly and need a cutting down

>>51560733
I will admit at this stage I would enjoy a non-Imperium character to just be powerful enough to be mentioned in that breadth. I had hoped it would be Ynnead but, from the looks of things, Ynnead is being played by GW as not even comparable to Roboute.

>>51560771
Obviously I don't mind the Primarchs being significant, but I would enjoy it if other factions had significant characters too.

Additionally, yes, I agree with the sentiment, the Primarchs are so much more powerful than all the other factions that it becomes difficult for me to root for them because they are so much better than every faction at almost everything.

>>51560645
Valedor for example.
Eldar prophecies allowed them to predict and prevent the merger of splinter fleet of Kraken with Hive Fleet Leviathan.

>>51560652
>because their maximum limit is much inferior to those of humans.

There is zero basis for that statement in the lore.

>>51560857
Okay so we have a grand total of two compared to over six they got wrong in fluff.

Like I said, shit seers.

>>51560885
Also Somonor

>>51560798
>>51560842
Ynnead is going to be Piccolo after fusing with Kami, strongest for the shortest time only for Vegeta and Goku to pop out of the time chamber, with Robute being the sayien in question, but which faction would make for a good "Beerus" type who exists to create a new sealing to change up the power dynamics?

Also who is the Broly of this setting?

>>51560916
>The combined forces of Somonor and Imotekh managed to defeat the Eldar in the Siege of Somonor and since then the world has remained in the Sautekh Dynasty's fold
That was literally one of Starbane the uselesses big failures

>>51560885
I can name more, just from reading their codex;
The Perfect War of Yurk, Death of Gnosis Prime, and The Bio Purge of the Octarious systems.

And again, the times when the Eldar get their visions 100% correct make for dull stories, because in those cases, the Eldar don't fucking need to do jack shit themselves, other than some fine manipulation that leads to a chain of events that suits their needs. Armageddon is the classic example.

>>51560930
That Piccolo/Ynnead comparison is so spot on its kinda scary. Although from the looks of it Ynnead isn't even going to be briefly that powerful since it loses the moment it comes out.

As for the 'Beerus' I think part of the problem for the setting is the Beerus will be a new Imperium character, so imagine if instead of Beerus showing up...Goku just achieved God Form on his own one day and then Vegeta tried to catch up.

Broly of the setting? Probably Angron

>>51560594
>Why is Eldard so weak then if he's like 10000 years old?
He can fight against Abaddon in melee and win.

>>51560966
Not that anon but you do know the Eldar lose at Gnosis right? Logan comes and kicks their asses hard.

Also c'mon anon, we all know Eldar seers suck, its a long established part of the fluff.

>>51560988
That's non-cannon as of Gathering Storm

(also Abaddon isn't a Psyker of Primarch Level so not relevant in anycase)

>>51560947
But he foresaw accurately that there will be victory. He just didn't bother to check whose. It counts as the Eldar getting it right.

>>51561030
By right I mean the Eldar winning, obviously.

>>51560995
Marinewank triumphing over any other faction is not noteworthy.

>Also c'mon anon, we all know Eldar seers suck, its a long established part of the fluff.
Wrong.
The long established part of Eldar and 40k lore is that the Eldar are masters of prescience and seeing the threads of fate.
The problem is that the writers, especially ones behind all this new retarded bullshit, fail to include that part in the individual stories they make because they are humanity wanking retards that are slowly, but surely shitting up the whole setting with their "muh superpowered super marines with daddy issues" bullshit.

>>51560966
If this is true why aren't there any fluff stories about the Eldar getting their prophecies wrong but perservering through it anyway and pulling off an unexpected win against enormous odds and enemy named characters?

I mean Marines have tons of stories where all the chips are down and everything's against them but they still pull off a miracolous victory on the fly against overwhelming odds and enemy named characters, why don't the Eldar get the same?

>>51561069
>If this is true why aren't there any fluff stories about the Eldar getting their prophecies wrong but perservering through it anyway and pulling off an unexpected win against enormous odds and enemy named characters?

Because that would require good writing, and writers that want to make Eldar stories.

>I mean Marines have tons of stories where all the chips are down and everything's against them but they still pull off a miracolous victory on the fly against overwhelming odds and enemy named characters, why don't the Eldar get the same?
First off
>implying that marines are ever at the risk of losing.
Top fucking kek.
Fighting against overwhelming odds and winning is breakfast for marines because marines cannot lose as that would upset little 13 year old Jimmy.

Compare that to the few Eldar stories which we have, which universally feature the Eldar either just gaining Pyrrhic victories or flat out losing.

The core problem is marine wank. Marines are always portrayed as superpowered heroes that ultimately always win, because GW panders to that faction and 99% of the writers write just marine wank.

Anyone who likes Space Marines is a drooling moron. They are incredibly boring, designated hero faction that only a mindless child could like.

>>51559985
The "cut in half" is an overstatement, since the "firewall" is located in the Damocles Gulf. Tau Empire proper is located on the far side of the Gulf, and the whole Third Sphere Expansion was about claiming worlds on the other side (they briefly held some Imperial worlds close to the Gulf during the Second Sphere Expansion, but lost them when they got pushed back during the Damocles Gulf Crusade). So the only worlds that got cut off ere some recently conquered colonies. However, the highest ranking member of the Tau military, as well as a significant amount of their armed forces and spacefleets are currently stuck on the other side, which probably does metaphorically qualify as dividing them in half.

>>51560981
Asurmen's Yamcha isn't he? All the Phoenix Lords are Yamcha aren't they? Only known for dying to everything

>>51561178
Phoenix Lords are jokes dude, they probably don't even make it to Yamcha tier. They don't even have a role in the mythos anymore

>This wankery about eldar visions.

As someone who only really skims 40k lore, how many of these are an actual vision fuckup and how many are merely them being unable to successfully keikaku doori their way to the desired outcome?

There is a rather notable difference between seeing how a thing could happen and ensuring that it does indeed happen that way.

>>51561297
The thing is the Eldar are explicitly stated to be the master of both those things.

But in actual fluff they tend to get them both wrong constantly.

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>>51560471
Ironically, Draigo's fate at M'kar's hands is one of the greatest 'victories' a daemon has had over a Marine SC. Of course it still necessitated the bad guy losing, but nevertheless, a worthy feat for a character who exists purely to job at a level above even other Daemon Princes aside from that one who kept getting resurrected as a joke.

>>51560712
The progression of this bit of fluff is especially hilarious.

Originally it was just "Eldar destroy the Explorators and Necrons but have to fight Blood Angels after".

Then the 6th edition rulebook changed it so the Eldar were still fighting the Necrons when the Blood Angels showed up.

Then the Eldar codex changed it back so the Eldar successfully purged the Necrons before encountering the Blood Angels. Only to add that the Eldar took heavy casualties from the latter and the entire Necron dynasty woke up due to their efforts.

Then the 7th edition rulebook changed it back to the Blood Angels arriving while the Eldar were fighting the Necrons. This time, however, the Blood Angels and Eldar joined forces against the crons, though the outcome wasn't given.

Regardless of the Blood Angels' part, the Craftworlds and Harlequins codex timelines have kept the fact that all the other tomb worlds were awakened thanks to Eldrad. The latter mentions that the Harlequins fought a decade-long campaign against the Necrons of Maedrax, and specifically refers to "Ulthwé's failure".

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>>51561278
Which is bollocks.
Rhana Dandra was supposed to be about the Phoenix Lords gathering for the final war against chaos. Not this Ynnead wank.

My hopes and dreams for new plastic aspect warrior sculpts, along with new versions of the Phoenix warriors: Gone.
Instead we get two "literally whos" and an ugly as sin "totally not slaanesh" daemon faggot.

I am fucking pissed about this stupid bullshit.

>>51561297
Eldar are masters of the manipulation of future visions to achieve their goals. Keikaku doori is literally their main power.

In theory. In practise the Marines beat them at it always. Artemis is even described as defeating Eldrad because Artemis is 'near prescient', apparently confirming Artemis is a greater seer than Eldrad

>>51561354
>In theory. In practise the Marines beat them at it always. Artemis is even described as defeating Eldrad because Artemis is 'near prescient', apparently confirming Artemis is a greater seer than Eldrad

And once again, we come back to the core problem: Marine Wank.

>>51561352
They killed the Aspect Craftworld dude and converted us into Ynnari cocksuckers.

Khaine is dead. Heartbroken.

>>51561352
The WD says the Eldar believe that the Rhana Dandra was postponed.

>>51561383
Agreed completely, but facts remain facts

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>>51561413

>The WD says the Eldar believe that the Rhana Dandra was postponed.

OR MAYBE THE ELDAR CHANGED THEIR DESTINY
BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO

>>51561352
>Rhana Dandra was supposed to be about the Phoenix Lords gathering for the final war against chaos. Not this Ynnead wank.
Rhana Dandra isn't happening. I mean that in the sense of it having been explicitly stated that this whole deal in the Gathering Storm is not Rhana Dandra. That's still some ways off into the future.

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>>51561405
I know. I want to strangle the person who is behind this desu.
The Death of Biel Tan pretty much means "No new Aspect Warrior or Phoenix Lord stuff ever again, enjoy your fucking Ynnari wank, regards GW". It's fucking Bullshit! I want new sculpts for my fucking Aspect Warriors. WARP SPIDERS ARE OVER 20 YEARS OLD SCULPTS! I WANT NEW ASPECT WARRIOR STUFF!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

>>51561476
Goodbye bazahkain. Single tear

>>51559044
I really hope Guilliman will take with him a company from the Ultramarines and every single Ultramarines Successors (and invite the other 1st founding Chapters and their Successors to give them a company from each of them), go to Terra, denounce the High Lords for their incompetence and mismanagement, and make the Imperium great again to the point that it will actually get shit done.

>>51561430
>OR MAYBE THE ELDAR CHANGED THEIR DESTINY

That's what the Ynnari are doing. They are rewriting Eldar destiny much to the chargin of the conservative elements in Eldar society.

>>51561178
In a way they are. Does a Phoenix Lord ever even beat a named character? I know Karandas jobbed to one dreadnought before and it just took a bunch of Night Lords to kill Jain Zar

>>51557626
yeah i know,
spikey bits posted it, reddit posted it a bunch,
its just kinda weird seeing my photoshop being shared everywhere. it just kinda pains me seeing people get credit for it on reddit and such. But its nice to see everyone like it.
I guess im obliged to convert one now.

>>51561502
>Lets rewrite Eldar destiny
>There are too many Eldar, are new destiny should include less of them, lets kill off the biggest groups
>Oh! Also our old destiny had too much us in it, lets rather be glorified subbies for the Imperium
A great destiny

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>>51561413
>>51561473

It's fucking bullshit.
Mark my words, GW will phase Aspect Warriors out of the Eldar line completely, along with Phoenix Lords. It will just be wraith wankery from now on.

Aspect Warriors were what made the Eldar interesting to play, and now they are pretty much going to be squatted.

>>51561485
Yeah.
Fuck this shit. Biel-Tan was the best Craftworld.

REBIRTH OF ANCIENT DAYS AIN'T FREE! THE RESTORATION OF ELDAR EMPIRE MUST COME TROUGH THE SLAUGHTER OF LESSER RACES! YVARINE "GRAVE ROBBER" DAUGHTER OF SHADES, IS NOT MY LEADER! SHE'S A DARK ELDAR GRAVE ROBBER AND PROBABLY A SLAANESH WORSHIPPER AS WELL! BAZAHKHAIN AND KHAINE, NOT NECROMANCY AND YNNEAD! PRAISE ASURMAN!

>>51561547

Better than being dead
Remember that Eldrad wanted the Imperium to be saved in 30k

>>51559710
Nope.

10/12 were victories.

Two were mostly defeats.

>>51559685

Eldrad dueled Abaddon and would have killed him if the Chaos Gods didn't teleport him away to safety.

>>51561578
You do realize when this is over the humans will exterminate all the Eldar? And with no more Craftworlds, Commorragh or Webway the Eldar will have no chance, since they literally just gave the Imperium a Primarch back.

This is the end of Eldar officially.

>>51561547
All dead Eldar will be reborn once Ynnead fully awaken.

>>51561598
That's not cannon as of Gathering Storm.

Also, honestly, Eldrad's lost to random mooks on like four occassions. That stink doesn't wash away with one victory (and it was retconned so it doesn't even matter)

>eldar have completely bullshit rules
>eldar get shat on in the fluff
>eldar players completely hysterical
almost makes up for all the scatbike knight bullshit going on in my store for the past god damn year

almost

>>51561590
The Black Crusades were blanket screens for Abaddon's zero pylon plan.

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>>51546196
He's gonna build a wall, and he's gonna make the Tau pay for it. Then he'll suspend all travel from Chaos-tainted planets, he's gonna make the Imperium SAFE and it's gonna be great.
#MIGA #GuillemanM42

>>51560645

Lord of the Night

Aka the best 40k novel no one's ever heard of

>>51561635
Yep, and it worked.

Goddammit Tranzyn...

>>51561618
>All dead Eldar will be reborn once Ynnead fully awaken.
Nope, Ynnead consuming eldars souls just like Slaanesh,

>>51561628
That should show you what the priority is for most Eldar fans, at least here on /tg/.
Most Eldar players here probably wouldn't mind a rules nerf. I for one wouldn't.

>>51561639
Hi /pol/ thanks for supporting death of our setting.

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>>51561598
>>51561621
And even when it was canon, somehow it was Eldrad's failure despite the whole thing being a trap by Abaddon to kill Eldrad and the Seer Council.

>>51561653
Ancient Eldar souls are already being ressed through the incomplete cycle of the Avatar of Ynnead. The Aledari have returned.

>>51561654
I know, and I feel a little bad for not caring about this at all.

But it's bad here, man.

>>51561654
Fuck yes. Bring a rule nerf on, it'd be great. Just let them win in Fluff for a change when it matters

>>51561646
Huh?

>>51561674
>Ancient Eldar souls are already being ressed through the incomplete cycle of the Avatar of Ynnead.
And they were consumed by Ynnead, he and Slaanesh are siblings.

>>51561652
Trazyn has nothing to do with it.

>>51561672
Even when Eldar won they lost. They're like the polar opposites of Marines who even when they lose win

>>51561672
>tfw no new Aspects sculpts, ever.

>>51561708
They weren't. The souls are what are helping and empowering the Ynnari wilfully,

>>51561755
>They weren't.
Say that to all now dead craftworlds.

>>51561764
Just one.

and its souls weren't consumed. They live on helping the Ynnari.

>>51561736
It hurts when you know you can never bahzakhain again

>>51561801
Yeah.

I don't understand why GW chose to destroy Biel Tan.
The only reason I can come up with is that they want to axe out Aspect Warriors for some insane reason. Aspect Warriors are what defined Biel Tan. It was "Aspect Warriors-The Craftworld" just like Uthwe was "Seers-The Craftworld" and Iyanden was "Wraith Constructs-The Craftworld etc.

>>51561786
>Just one.
Actually all main craftworlds are gone.
>They live on helping the Ynnari.
Nope, Ynnead and ynnari consuming them as mana for their spells and other shit.

>>51561710
Tranzyn stole something there I can feel it.

On the other hand we will finally find out if he and Guilliman actually knew each-other.

>>51561836
I don't get this iether. Why not make Iyanden go with its ghost shtick and Iyanna being there?

Now the one Craftworld super-dedicated to Khaine...is super dedicated to Ynnead...wat

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>>51561722
>[Maugan Ra] ultimately led the Eldar to victory even in the heart of the Eye of Terror and, after repelling Dark Eldar raids on Xersia, fought alongside Creed against Abaddon’s incursion into the Basilica Dufaux. It is believed by many Farseers that the reappearance of the shadowy Craftworld of Altansar and its ghost-like inhabitants was purely due to the iron determination of the Phoenix Lord to locate and redeem his once-lost brethren.

>Eldrad tried to free his spirit from the Talisman, but it was already too late. The darkness reached out to swallow him and his soul was dragged screaming into the depthless heart of the Blackstone Fortress for all eternity.

>>51561842
Shut up, slav and post proof.

>>51561860
All that's retconned. Please keep up with us

I've always had it as headcannon that humans are psychic in the way sledgehammers are subtle.

Eldar psykers aren't busting moons in half because its super risky and they can just rube-goldberg their way to that moon blowing its self up if they want.

There is undeniable usefulness in the whole "fuck your moon" mind-bullets but a guy like that gets a name for himself and gets noticed, either by warp powered monsters or just people who would prefer he not point the moon-killer at them. After he gets noticed things tend to get very bad for individuals in 40k.

>>51561876
Only after you.
Also, WD clearly said that Ynnead and Slaanesh are siblings and working the same ways

>>51557500
can you convert into a combimeltathrower plasblaster?

>>51561908
But all the strongest Human Psykers weren't nommed by Daemons cause they're too strong for that.

And Eldar can't rude goldberg their way to destroying a moon because halfway through a Marine shows up and punches them

That doesn't change also that Eldar are still then weaker Psykers than humans and that all the strongest Psykers come exclusively from one group.

>>51560196
but, well that's the point of Primarchs isn't it? And according to HH there was a powerful chaos influence involved to achieve that on top of pinnacle of transuman artisanship.

>>51559432
>I wonder what Rowboat's reaction will be when he finds out about the loophole abuse of the Black Templars, the Space Wolves, and the Dark Angels.

Well he's got the fallen with him, so lion comes back and the dark angels have a civil war.

Then he finally decides to complete his original plan of taking over as emperor and starts a civil war in the imperium.

The only way to make grim dark more grim dark is to make it so your army even fights itself.

Did I mention civil war?

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Swiggity Swypher.

It's fucking Cypher

>>51561947

Don't get me wrong it's still super one sided but I like my version better than "because marines sell, fuck you"

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>>51561894
Still relevant (and the Altansar part actually is still canon).

Now here's a more positive showing for Eldrad, though in this case the Eldar were just tagging along with a much larger Marine force.

>>51561951
No, I never thought that was the point of Primarchs.

I would much prefer a game in which one group wasn't exclusively the strongest and best at everything but, instead, different factions all had different expertise and high-level characters. Not just Primarchs the Emperor and nothing else matters.

>>51561961
Literally did nothing wrong.

>>51561953
>nu-Imperium
>grim dark
pick one

>>51561986
Preach

>>51561974
Not really relevant. Its all non-canon other than Altansar being back.

Then as for this example, yeah Eldrad wins when he plays sidekick to a Marine. What's your point? I don't want the Eldar to just be sidekicks? When does Eldrad beat some named Loyalist Marine on his own?

>>51561980
I was talking more about fluff than the game itself t b h. I agree that it defeats the point of multiple "balanced" faction plot-wise.

>>51561965
OKay but...my problem is how one-sided it is.

>>51561961
So the "loyalist" Dark Angels were actually the traitors all along?

>>51561928
And WD said the Exhumed (ressed Eldar) are a thing and also speaks about Ynnead's cycle of rebirth.

You didn't read the WD.

>>All Craftworld and Dark Eldar, except the most conservatives ones, have rallied Ynnead. By doing that, they are now closer to the ancient Eldar power and can use their spirit stones previous owner's souls to augment their strength. However, some Eldar consider them as corrupted or already dead. And they may be right, so the new Ynnead worshiping Eldar are as much a factor of division as cohesion. On top of that, Slaanesh and the other gods are reacting to their presence, and the threat they pose. The only sure thing is that the dead follow these "Exhumed". The yellow part is about Yvraine (and her followers, to a lesser extent) being able to talk to dead Eldar souls.

-------------

>Invested by the power of Ynnead, Yvraine is capable of attracting into her the souls of those who surround her, or they continue not as isotonic covenants but as voluntary allies.

>>51562068
We can't be sure of that, but it looks like at least some of the Fallen were loyal.

>>51562070
Nowhere in that passage is there a single comment on rebirth.

The WD also, later, explicitly refers to what Ynnead does as a 'bastardized' and 'incomplete' thing which is not comparable to the Eldar's old cycle.

Don't tell lies.

>>51562070
>Ynnead's cycle of rebirth.
Not Ynnead, Ynnari
>spirit stones previous owner's souls to augment their strength.
Here is the point.

>>51562068
>>51562078
Now, I'm not saying they are closet heretics.
...But.

>>51562008
I wasn't trying to refute or argue anything, I was adding. The topic was Eldar losing even when they win, so I posted the classic example of it (Eldar enjoy great success in EoT, capped off by Eldrad failing and dying).

>>51562126
Oh! Sorry, really I totally misunderstood you and now feel like a jackass for it.

>>51562097
Except that's what I said in a previous post. The Eldar rebirth cycle is incomplete because Ynnead isn't born yet fully. Don't tell lies about me telling lies, you bastard.

The guy I am replying to was saying that the craftworld souls have been eaten up.
>>51562111
The Avatar of Ynnead

And no this is the point.

>they continue not as isotonic covenants but as voluntary allies.

The souls are allies, not food.

>>51562178
No worries fampai.

>>51561500
Agreed. Fuck the High lords

>>51562181
>The souls are allies,
For Ynnari, not for Ynnead

>>51562273
I see no proof.

>>51562283
>I see no proof.
So as I

>>51562241
Let's face it. Even if they did some good, the majority of shit they screwed outweighs the former stuff.

I also hope Guilliman will have a nice chat with the Inquisition about excommunicating or terminating Chapters that were truly loyal and dared to call the Emperor's Pet Psychopaths on their bullshit at times.

>>51562241
Yeah fuck 40k.

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>>51559044
>"Hey, I didn't have a look at a 40K thread in a while"
>"ooooh ! pretty minis of pre-heresy primarchs, pretty emprah, what are they all talking about?"
>I wonder if he'll be tempted to bump the Ultras back up to legion strength now he's back.
>now he's back.
>he's back
>GUILLIMAN. IS. BACK
>"BY THE GODS OF CHAOS WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DID I JUST MISS?!"

Is there any website where i could read a summary of all the shit happening, pretty please?

>>51562450
Second this, Just got an email that ynnead is coming what the fucks been happening?

>>51562450
>>51562503
the warhammer community site, guys

they responded to leaks by just posting the full articles online

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>>51546196
wow, rude

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>>51562318
"But the Inquisition merely performs the duty of its office." ;)

Which Primarch has better banter than Guilliman?

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>>51562870

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>>51561572

>>51562078
>>51562119
That would have been the best fucking twist even if everyone saw it coming, but sadly, the HH books pretty much ruined any hope of that when they went ahead and spelled everything out without any mystery.

>reeeeeee why are my space elves so shitty

Get fucked eldarfags

Emperor Vult

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>>51562884
bantmaster supreme without a doubt, but pic rel had some nice lines too iirc

>>51563779
>Emperor Vult
But anon, Emperor are going to die too

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Will Lorgar finally take charge of his boys or will Erebus and Kor Phaeron keep running the show?

>>51563889
that makes no sense, he used a dagger on Argel tal and almost got shanked with an axe by Kharn (that was so fucking close...)

>>51563889
lorgar isn't angron, fulgrim or mortarion, so he'll probably do more nothing

>>51546196
Guilli waking up for the remaining primarchs is like that one friend on Steam that you haven't seen log in for years who then proceeds to ask you to play a game that you haven't played since they last logged in.

>>51561539
I did the Ivanka Trump white dress x ray
It's a shitty 5min edit too and that blew up
I've seen it with fucking Chinese watermarks now
Fuck it though who cares

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>>51563889
>>51563998
He's done one thing at least, though it still remains to be seen whether he'll actually go outside.

>>51563998
Fulgrim hasn't moved his scaly behind outside his gated hedonist community for 9,000 years and counting.

>>51564155
lorgar and perturabo haven't moved their fat asses in 10k, so he's technically not the laziest one

>>51564144
I doubt it, gotta get the big four out of the way first because they can be sold alongside their patron's daemons as well as base chaos marines.

>>51564144
>the Word Bearers turned a blind eye to their feud with the Emperor's Children
I love how the EC seem to be particularly hated by the other traitors.

>>51564299
>perturabo
Didn't he team up with Abaddon to trash Iron Hands that one time? IIRC, it was in the 10th Black Crusade.

>>51561539

no need to be a bitchboy

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>>51546196

That model is a fucking abomination.

His waist is far too small to name only the first thing.

40K may not be AoS'ed in name but in its rules, lore and aesthetics it looks like it is.

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>>51564307
That actually always struck me as a little random. Obviously all the Traitor Legions will have clashed with each other at various points, and the Emperor's Children are historically gifted at giving everyone reasons to hate them, but I don't recall a specific feud between them and the Word Bearers ever being mentioned (just one brief comment in Dark Disciple where it turns out the WBs think they're fags). The Word Bearers' traditional traitor rivals are/were the Alpha Legion.

>>51564365
He also Chaosed a forge world's shit up in M32. They didn't say whether he was there in person in either case, though it's still more than Lorgar's done.

>>51564749
>His waist is far too small
Unlike Celestine?

>>51564749
>thin waist
>wide hips
>full chest
Is this a problem?

>>51564807

Yes, your implying I didn't think that model was utter shit either.

While her waist was ridiculously small his is anatomically impossible. GW can make better models than this, why don't they...

>>51564807
I'm guessing the WBs, being the fundies that they are, take particular offense at the whole debacle with the EC role in the war effort on Terra and then later in the slave wars that effectively ruined all the organizational coherency left in the traitor faction.

>>51564852
I was actually referring to the "Celestine is fat" funposting that went on when she was revealed.

>>51564307
Are they even doing anything in The Fall of Cadia?

>>51564849

I don't want Girlyman to be my GF though...

>>51564953
That's because you're gay. Guilliman is primo waifu material.

>>51546196
Man the High Lords are going to be pissed that someone still alive other then them has the password to the Emperor's porn stash.

>>51562870
Lorgar.

Have you lost your temper, Roboute?
You have lost your temper.

>>51565298
lorgar spends 95% of his time getting absolutely blown the fuck out by the other primarchs

the other 5% of his time is spent moping

>>51565480
he was pretending to be retarded.

true masterminds never show their full hand

>>51564849
The Codex Astartes does not support that.

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>>51565547
that's like, negative banter points

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>>51561572
>>51561572
>Yfw this is actually a canon stance that many Eldar take
>Mfw this player will fight against Ynnari based armies, basically recreating the events in the book, and ensuring a civil war.

Shit, GW go us a on Meta-Level. This truly is the fracturing of the Eldar Playerbase.

>>51565480
The heresy was all Lorgar's fault.

>>51565569
Only the greatest figure of them all, man. The spiritual liege's liege should have nothing less.

>>51561961
>No akimbo Cypher

>>51565588
>The heresy was all Erebus and Kor Phaeron's fault.
fixed that for you

>>51565622
I kinda wonder how things would have turned out if the Word Bearers had been put under greater scrutiny early on, when they were first censured. For example, if Kor Phaeron and Eerebus were rooted out. Would Lorgar still have fallen to Chaos? He did have the right disposition for it. Or, if Horus was dealt with before he had the chance to gather any Primarchs to his side.

>>51565724
Fulgrim would still fall to Slaanesh. Mortarion would probably fall to Nurgle. Magnus would still fall to Tzeentch. Angron might actually not fall to Khorne.

>>51565724
Without erebus and phaeron, whatever happened would have been considerably reduced in scale and definitely not as organized

They basically seeded EVERYTHING to start the heresy, and lorgar's fall was more incidental than relevant.

>>51565772
nails in head tho

>>51565948
In regards to that, I wish to quote a big guy: "If he dies, he dies."

>>51564307
>I love how the EC seem to be particularly hated by the other traitors

In addition to the natural rivalry of the Mono-God Legions, the Emperors Children are hyper-individualistic to the extreme. Everything is ALWAYS about them, ALL THE TIME, and they're always THE BEST AT EVERYTHING EVER according to them. This naturally means that they are completely insufferable assholes, even by the standards of Chaos Marines, and their hierarchy and chain of command is virtually non-existent.

As such, they are almost impossible to work with except under the most extreme or lucrative situations.

>>51566050
I don't get why other traitor marines keep teaming up with them. They're such a bunch of teamkillers that they can't even work together a lot of the time.

For example. Back in the days of the EoT campaign (obviously not canon now, but whatever), there was a bit of fluff about Abaddon sending a party of legionnaires, complete with some terminators, to offer a band of EC to join in the Black Crusade. The ECs murdered all the legionnaires except one terminator and then they sent him back with the message that they'd accept in return for the usual payments and terms. And this was just a whim, the ECs killed all those legionnaires just because they felt like it at the time.

It just makes me question why you'd want to bring these guys with you. What do they even bring to the table that you'd willing to put up with their shit?

>>51566162
>What do they even bring to the table that you'd willing to put up with their shit
No one really does, it's why their so few in number.

>>51560930
Necrons are the bigdick dude who change the power dynamics as more and more of the dead rise up to cull the fat of the galaxy.

>>51547674
FW Girlyman is so much better. A true roman, compared to GW's Power Ranger. And they are bundling him with Cypher and a generic grey knight guy. I guess I'll have to fish for Cypher on E-bay.

>>51557435
It's a lead pipe bayonet for his heavy bolter gauntlet.

>>51559373
Elder are all psykers, but humanity, in the midst of its evolution into a far more psychically powerful race than the Eldar, has a tendency to spike much higher than they do. Which also leads to greater chances of insanity etc. of course.

>>51561961
Best miniature ever. I need him for my Moritat.

>>51547734

Look, it's mostly because Space Marines are really one-note. What you need are humans to give Space Marines context.

If you only have Space Marines, they're not as scary. When you have desperate, panicked humans thrown into the fray, that makes things a lot more interesting. For instance, in the Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn novels, the Space Marines are basically gods of war when they show up. (See Salvation's Reach, where three Marines kill hundreds of cultists and basically destroy an entire base by themselves.)

If it's only Marine-on-Marine action all the time, it gets boring. Hell, Chris Wraight and ADB work humans into their narratives, too - ADB, most egregiously, by introducing a human waifu for the Space Marine to protect. (Octavia in Night Lords, Cyrene in the First Heretic, and TWO waifus in The Talon of Horus.)

>>51567745
wow ADB how come your mom lets you have TWO waifus

>>51561928
>>51562070

I'm really curious about this, actually.

Like, what the fuck is going on with Ynnead? I was under the impression that Ynnead is basically Slaaneshi all over again - But where Slaaneshi was born (unintentionally) out of excess, Ynnead is a God of Death born out of deliberate design.

But why does it look like a psychadelic ninja clown? I mean, if you wanted to make something to oppose Slaanesh, you'd have a grim, dour war god that's probably all kinds of gothic, sort of like Maugan Ra or Nito writ large. Like, we already know that the 'death aspect' is the Dark Reapers and Maugan Ra, right?

>>51567891
>psychadelic ninja clown
Where he looks like this?
>sort of like Maugan Ra or Nito writ large. Like, we already know that the 'death aspect' is the Dark Reapers and Maugan Ra, right?
Wrong the whole Dark Reapers aesthetics technically came from Nightbringer

>>51567891
>psychadelic ninja clown
Where he looks like this?
>sort of like Maugan Ra or Nito writ large. Like, we already know that the 'death aspect' is the Dark Reapers and Maugan Ra, right?
Wrong the whole Dark Reapers aesthetics technically came from Nightbringer's silver blood. tl;dr; Reapers death aspect isn't aeldari death aspect

>>51567745
>The Talon of Horus
Speaking of, sequel when? It was supposed to be the first part in a series.

>>51568085
ADB is making a lewd harem VN to chronicle the adventures of Iskandar Khayon.

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>>51564849
I dont think its codex aproved bub

>>51557697
Space Marines canonically have huge cocks.

>>51570471
post proofs

>>51567037
That's what's been said here already. Humans are greater Psykers than Eldar. It was established already if you read all the comments