Reminder that there is nothing weird or fetishy about playing

Absolutely, there is nothing weird about it, sometimes you just want to have a completely loyal companion, they think about disagreeing but when you talk to them it's so soothing, why go to the effort, just go along with it and you'll be rewarded well, promise. And then after a while they just get used to following, it feels so relaxing to just go with the flow and not think about it, why waste mental energy worrying about why you're doing things which could be spent thinking about Master. Of course they're so happy like that it only makes sense that they'd want to help other people feel that way so they're delighted when more thralls join the group.

Thrallherd are a fun class

>>51545611

Excellent taste friend.

>>51545611
Man that was a good one.

>>51545980
I thought there was nothing weird or fetishy? Why did this make me feel so hot then?

It's the opposite OP. There's something weird and fetishy about literally everything if you look hard enough. The only thing that varies is how obvious it is.

>>51546018
>>51548688

I need a source!

I agree.
however, as much as I want to play a thrallherd, it would feel pretty awkward for me since that IS my fetish and that's not really a position I want to put myself in. It's a shame, since they seem pretty fun.

>>51549194

I think the problem is that everything is somebody's fetish, and if you go out of the way to avoid this you both kill yourself creatively and still accidentally wander down someone's fetish alley.

>>51549298

Absolutely. It's a problem we see all the time on /tg/, obsessing over the slightest little thing as a sign of 'magical realm'.

People need to chill. It only really matters if it starts making someone uncomfortable- Although at that point, it's time to shut it the fuck down.

>>51549246
My Dear Maid by Takatsu.

>>51545980
Could you play a game where one player played a Thrallherd and another player played their thrall?

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>>51549497

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>>51545611
>tfw you've done tons of perfectly clean and straight-laced mind control plots and sometimes you just wanna write ONE small little weird one for yourself

>>51549497
isnt that the whole point? you are even 2?1? level behind so you get to be inferior to everyone else too.

>>51545611
If that's what you want me to think, sure.

>>51549389

Thank you!

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>>51549518
>>51549518
Its okay anon. Let go of your apprehension. Let the words flow and give yourself what YOU desire.

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>>51549497
I've done it, was fun and hilarious.

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>>51550208

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>>51550121
Generally when this sort of thing comes up, I remind my players that people are well, people.

The thralls and believers serve to the best of their capacity, in the best way that they can think of.
Ever had that friend that really tries to help, but is a total clutz? Or the little brother who declares how tough you are to the bullies and picks fights for you because he's so confident in you? A significant other with some real asshole friends, who would leave them if you really really asked them to, but you don't because you know how much it would hurt them and cause drama?

With normal mind control spells and such, you're just doing a smash and grab on their mind. With Thrallherd?
You're adopting them and the entirety of who they are.

>>51550341
I feel like different thrallherds would probably have different "methods" based on their personality.

>Some have their thralls fall in love with them, that grows into an unstoppable emotion
>Some are more subtle, and it's a loyalty based on an unusual "friendship" type feeling
>Some simply have warriors and guardians, who's personality deteriorates slowly as they become more enthralled

In theory, there's a decent amount of room to express a character based on how a thrallherd's specific form of "gathering" works, and how that reflects who they are, if they chose that method specifically or it was just the method that came to them naturally.

I do like yours especially though, if only because I really like the "Snarky but undyingly loyal servant" character.

>>51550514
Or there's the "being with them is a psionic crack addiction" thing, where serving their master's commands helps them get their next fix

>>51545611
Dear was wasted on that little shit.

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>>51550514
That middle one is my favorite. Where the Psion is just giving people a compulsion to feel that they are a friend and has their best interest at heart, someone that the Thrall wants to protect. Making people straight out love you seems both rapey and kind of tragic and the mental deterioration is just straight up evil.

>>51550963
What if the thrallherd loved them back? Loved all of them back? Doing their best to care for each and every one of them? Everyone happy, all together, a big family.

>>51550994
Then being a Psion who knows that the only reason people love them back is because of an unconscious mental compulsion must drive them insane.

>Entire anime folder with 100 images
>Not one of CC from Code Geass
I've dropped the ball here.

>>51549497

I'm doing this in my game, but it's a meme fetish ERP gane in a meme fetish setting so it's got a lot extra riding on it. Technically a lot less because the setting revolves around nullification.

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>>51550963
I fucking love Shonen thrallherds.

>>51545611
Is this... fun for you?

>>51550514
>Friendship
>Unusual
Take a seat anon, we have a lot of evolutionary psychology to cover.

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>>51545611
Is there anything that is a thrallherd besides Magic The Gathering? Because >>51545980 makes me think there is.

>>51553298
The protag of KOTOR2 was a thrallherd.

>>51550963

That bug is dead nigga

>>51553431
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's about to become a spider snack

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What if the thrall is someone who legitimately hates their thrallherd, and would wish them harm, but cannot due to their psychic link?

Like a dominate spell, but you let them think freely while adhering to your rules (ie. help my quest, dont kill me, etc).

>>51553605
>>51550121

>>51545611
Reminder that you can play anything in a non-fetishy way and vice versa.

>>51553147
I was talking about "shounen" style, where it's a friendship where people just gravitate to treating the thrallherd as the leader.

But if you wanna give a lecture I'm up for it, sounds interesting.

>>51553747
Close, but distinctly different. I'm thinking of a thrall KNOWS of the connection's nature, and never accepts it or derives happiness from it.

I don't know why, apart from >muh fetish, people always describe thralls like dogs or willing servants, or even being happy to be a thrall for that matter. Why not an unhappy thrall?

Why not describe them as a street gang? People drawn to a charismatic leader, some common uniform and cause belying the fact there's thrall-ing going on, pressing and bullying others into joining.

Speaking of;

>Tunnel Snakes Rule

>>51551117
New page. Thrallherd only finds sad, depressed, homeless, or lonely people, is kind to them, then offers them eternal happiness and lack of hard choices. Less thralls, but I could see a normal person waking up tomorrow with that power using it that way.

>>51554159
Free will fucking sucks, if a thrallherd like that shows up I know I'd sign the fuck on.

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Honestly, I like the idea that a thrall is someone that just clicks with the thrallherder. Nothing obvious other than the thrall being naturally friendly and amicable without a thought. Until it gets to the point that the thrall is someone that just wants to be around without thought of anything else. Like a supercharged charisma but far more magnetic towards potential thralls.

>>51554273
Better yet, offer life as a thrall, but without brainfuckery, to the uncertain, with a chance to upgrade. Then put all the thralls and thralls in training into a community where everyone works but thrallherd, who owns the bank account and thr housing. Eventually being sround the people that are happier than them will make them swap over or go out on their own again.

>>51554159
What do they do with the ones who reject the deal in its entirety on the basis that they'd rather die than admit to the world that they were only fit to be puppets at best, possibly even attempting to die right in front of them?

I actually played a Thrallherd concept once where the dude had no idea he was one. In fact, his whole floating island nation was ruled by a group of royals who had no idea that there was anything unusual about absolutely all of their orders being followed. When they eventually neglected practicing the "royal arts", their people realized they were a bunch of dunces and promptly took power.

Fleeing what he had incorrectly assumed to be a bloody revolution, Devin Darks, last practitioner of the "royal magic" left to find his own fame and fortune, never questioning his growing cult of "fangirls" who loved him despite his ugly as sin appearance and general incompetence.

His Half-Orc Champion Thrall was actually his only real friend in the world who had placed herself in position to be Thrall'd because her Tribe had figured out what was happening while trading with the nobles and had been carefully isolating his people for centuries, encouraging the slow death of their sacred magic.

She had refused to kill him because she was in love with his sorry ass and he has no idea she'd been enslaved by him.

>>51550208
I wonder if this would fit to German, they're quite autistic in their way. IT would fit machines more, to be honest.
So maybe that's French thing? You know, the beauty of the tiles and the fact they're perverts.

>>51554744
Reflex saves to prevent suicide.
The Hakuoro Option.

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D&D 3.5 Expanded Psionics Handbook, page 153
>A thrallherd who has just entered the class sends out a subtle psychic call for servants, and that call is answered. Essentially, the character gains something akin to the Leadership feat (see page 106 of the Dungeon Master’s Guide), but with some important differences. Those who answer a thrallherd’s call are not referred to as cohorts and followers, but rather as thralls and believers, respectively. They do not appear because they admire the
character and want to serve her, but because a hidden psychic resonance connects the thrallherd and her servants


D&D Player's handbook, page 43
>No one ever chooses to be a paladin. Becoming a paladin is answering a call, accepting one’s destiny. No one, no matter how diligent, can become a paladin through practice. The nature is either within one or not, and it is not possible to gain the paladin’s nature by any act of will.

Presented without comment.

>>51555131
>I have come to smite you in the name of my god
>what god do you serve?
>that guy over there

>>51553909
talk no jutsu stronk

>>51549162
Hypnosis and loss of control are a very common fetish anon. welcome to the cluuuUUbb.

>>51555131
Ooo... Imma gonna do something with this, next gestalt game I'm in. Just need some way to grant spells....

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How do you counter psions? I believe free will is sacred and I want to at least be able to protect myself and others from them, then maybe lobotomize them so they can't do that magical realmy shit ever again. Worse than watching the cruelest deed is watching it done by your own hand.

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>>51557638
Follow me, anon, I can lead you to the answer you seek.

>>51557638
In 3.x, you can't.

Most books don't acknowledge that psionics exist. As such, almost all abilities that protect you from mind-affecting abilities protect you from mind-affecting MAGIC and mind-affecting SPELLS. Psionics count as neither of those.

The only books that provide anti-psionic abilities are the books that are all about psionics.

>>51557638
Just go become an undead, you'll be immune to mind effects.
Hope you don't mind getting turned/commanded though.
Hmm, well maybe construct? Yea that sounds, oh, wait, control constructs is a thing, hmm...

Yea you might be outta luck there, guess it's just time to pump your will save and hope nobody diplomamancers you.

>>51557715
3.5 psionics has psionics-magic transparency to take care of this. So spells and effects that guard against magic also work on psionics.

>>http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm#combiningPsionicAndMagicalEffects

>>51557715
>As such, almost all abilities that protect you from mind-affecting abilities protect you from mind-affecting MAGIC and mind-affecting SPELLS. Psionics count as neither of those.

Yes, they do. Just like wizards can protect against clerics and vice versa.

>The default rule for the interaction of psionics and magic is simple: Powers interact with spells and spells interact with powers in the same way a spell or normal spell-like ability interacts with another spell or spell-like ability. This is known as psionics-magic transparency.

>>51553298
D&D class.

>>51557715
What is the best way to kill/disable them?

>>51555131

Oh shit son. Yeah, doing that at some point. Not sure from which end, admittedly.

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>>51549389
>Fucks the maid
>Fucks his mother
>Fucks his daughter
Needed more brown meido femdom, though

>>51557696
so sayeth the woman mind-controlled

>>51557638
Funnily enough in a super setting I'm slowly fleshing out any mindcontrol or brainwashing powers and super-tech are considered Big Fucking Taboo.

Mostly because there were a few big incidents of mindcontrolled heroes on bloody rampages.
There's no "magical undo" on brain rewrites - and some heroes got stabbed by people they just rescued from the villains.

It goes for the side of "good" too - Amanda Waller types would loove them some mindfuck tech to turn supervillains into tools and weapons, and heroes very strictly deny them such opportunities.

Anybody with mindpowers is on a very tight watch, if they do anything shady, they're immediately treated as top tier Justice League threat.

One NPC is a victim of cybernization and some minor mindfuck by a loose piece of supervillain tech and has some drama with heroes for refusing to even try undoing the mind effects because that would mean they would have mindfuck tech on themselves.
With one less-polite straight up telling that if one hero didn't think himself too cool for rules and didn't keep the trophy she stumbled into, she wouldn't be in her situation in the first place.

P.S. yes senpai mindfuckery IS my fetish.

>>51545611
Especially in a LARP.

>>51557638
The same way you counter Wizards, but easier. Just force them to burn their Power Points on something and/or place them under a mind-affecting spell to interrupt their mental focus, thus making it so they can't concentrate on manifesting

>>51559165
Anon no, 3dpd is bad for the soul and larp sluts are a kind of crazy you don't want to mess with.

>>51549497
HAHA,seggs!Benis in bagina!:D

>>51560421
But ,anon, nobody is talking about women here.

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>>51561632
That does not conflict with the statement made.

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>>51560691
Benis in buttehole.

>>51559158
Reminds me of the bunraku parlour things from Shadowrun.

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>>51545980
NOTHING.
SEXUAL.
ABOUT IT.
>>51549497
Only if it were over text, because neckbeard man-voices are not boner food, and I get to be the thrall.

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>>51545611
>"Your thoughts are mine"

>>51549269
Literally me

How would a chaotic good thrallherd work?

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>>51563127
>not "all your feelings are mine"

>>51563260
Controls lycantropes so they can live the life they want without going on a rampage.

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>>51563260

What if there was a psionic class that only subtly (or not) "mind controls" their followers in combat to increase their performance?

>>51563799
You mean Bard?

>>51563823
Ok, let's remove the "subtly" part then.
The bard only inspires but this guy would be able to alter people's minds directly to make them perform better in combat, like ignoring pain, linking the senses of the combatants and maybe even making the party work like a temporary hive mind.

>>51563950
The way I see that would be a "Puppetmaster" type who acts similar to a battlemaster in that they give up their actions to allow allies to attack, but get more actions per turn than any other class.

>Grant a re-roll/buff to avoid the fireball
>"controlled" characters are immune to flanking effects if the puppetmaster can see them.
>Allowing telepathic communication between "controlled" characters and the puppetmaster.
>Friendly fire becomes impossible.

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Uhm, I know asking /tg/ for anything reality-related is not a good idea, but anyway.
Have you ever seen an actual thrallherd go about his business? How does that person collect thralls and where? I've been looking, but I couldn't find anyone...
I really want to get rid of my free will.

>>51564226
>spoiler
Any particular reason?

>>51564598
Basically, what >>51554273 said. Also, there are people of all kinds, and I feel like modern ideas like everyone insisting on free will hinder me from fullfilling my purpose.
It would be more natural for me.

>>51564598
Its a return to childhood, when you didn't have any real responsibility. Everything is eventually the Thrallherds issue, he's where the buck stops.

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>>51564149
Pic related?

>>51564226
Humans don't have free will. You're welcome.

>>51563950
>>51564149
>>51564812
A person willingly lending their body and mind to someone else in such a way is also really hot now that i think about it desu

>>51564812
>implying they don't
Do you merely intend to deny responsibility, or have you foreseen something else?

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>>51564921
Plus you get a cool helmet!

>>51564941
Human decisions are theoretically as possible to determine as a physical or chemical reaction, it just happens that we can't calculate all the factors that influence it at a given time.

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>>51564941
something something brain chemistry,
something something Nietzsche

>>51564921
Also quite touching. Orange Jumpsuit Ninja has some good shit to steal when it's not being about powerwank.

>>51565035
>this pic

I can't even take it seriously due to reading it in their voices.

>>51565064
>Orange Jumpsuit Ninja
Holy shit. There was a band at my highschool talent show called exactly that. Now I finally know why.

>>51564921
>>51564812
>>51564149
>>51563950
Cut out the controller and you have Sense8.

>>51564812
Believing in this won't make anyone feel better. I know I am supposed to serve someone, I can basically feel the call! Just because of muh free will and 'slavery is bad' nobody dares to actually call out.
I wonder if there are thrallherds feeling similarly to the thralls.

>>51565245
desu I wasn't being serious there.
For real though, try F-list.

>>51565245
Try getting religion.

>>51565245
Yo kid, over here. I got whatchu need.
https://youmustobey.com/

>>51565245
Drop contact info?

>>51545611
>there is nothing weird or fetishy about playing a thrallherd.
There is when I'm playing one.

EAE Cade os BR

>>51566501
Okay, very funny.
Whose trigger phrase is this?

>>51549518
Your guilt is all that keeps you from greater pain. Use it.

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>Thread turns to /soc/
I dunno what i expected

>>51568387
/tg/ can turn into any other board at the drop of a hat. That's pretty much our thing. It's also why /pol/ has been living as a deadbeat on our back porch for the last few years.

>>51568387
There was an anon in need. It's only neighborly to help them achieve their dream of self enslavement.

>>51568656
It's just impossible he should give up

>>51565245
>>51568723
Have we suggested Fetlife yet? There are plenty of bdsm organizations spread throughout the US that are pretty much cults that focus on the whole letting oneself go and give control to someone else, the world, the universe, etc. They're similar to organized religions, except even more fanatical. If there was a place for someone who wanted to become a slave, that's probably where they'd start.

>>51568820
In any case he can only be a slave for as long as he wants to behave like one.
Which means he actually isn't one

>>51568859
I don't know. These groups break you down then build you up in their image. Like I said, It's pretty much a cult, using techniques from military, religion, etc. It's pretty fucking scary actually.

>>51568915
Well ok then they make you a believer, which isnt necessarily a slave.

Well I guess I know what my next flist character is

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>>51556778
I want to deny that, really I do.

But I can't.

I've managed to keep it away from the gaming table so far, but considering just how much stuff for it Paizo's put out already, the temptation is growing.

Any advice?

>>51570099
Wait wait... how much stuff has Paizo put out? I haven't looked at pathfinder since I played with their "making a race" thing.

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>>51570116
Well, besides all the Enchantment spells ported over from 3.5 and tweaked versions of those, they straight-up released a class called the Mesmerist.

It does exactly what you think it does. Pic related, the Iconic Mesmerist using a spell called Matchmaker which also does /exactly what you think it does/.

>>51570130
And you guys wonder why we call /pfg/ Perverted Fantasy General.

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>>51570163
I thought it was the kitsune.

>>51570192
Kitsune is one guy with Shit taste. You've got three ERP Campaigns going on, and every thread gets derailed into a fetish thread Like this, except minus the quality of discussion.

>>51570099
First of all, you gotta stay relaxed. You jerk off anon?

If the mind is your enemy's greatest weapon, that is all the more reason to shoot them in the head.

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>>51570099
I typically handle it by not relating it back to lewdness, personally. My Enchanters are usually evil, sometimes crazy, and always have a grand goal that doesn't involve sexytimes. One simply wanted to recreate her childhood town, her endgame being something like a full scale dollhouse with real people and otherwise played as a very unhealthy nostalgic. One guy had plans to achieve peace in a war torn country by controlling leaders and forcing them to stop being idiots. Others are somewhere in between the crazy/extremist spectrum.

As a DM, mind control plots are fine and even standard. As long as it doesn't get lewd you should be fine with nearly anything.

>>51565245

I feel the same way, but in the opposite direction.

Call me an arrogant asshole, whatever. That's just how I feel.

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>>51550243
This is surreal.

Is it wrong for a Thrallherd, even a "good" alignment one to see Free Will as an either bad or ambivalent thing? After all, when they see people derive such joy from being servants, it's likely they could adopt an attitude that some people are simply meant to serve.

>>51570690
Well it's not like thrallherds specifically go around forcing people to be their mindslaves. They gather in a very natural way to the point where they might not even question it, and it's just as easy to explain it as psychically finding people that are willing to let you give them orders. Like >>51553410 said the Exile in KOTOR 2 could easily be an example of a good thrallherd type character

>>51563375
> and this WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>51570690
D&D operates on objective morality. According to this morality, free will is a good thing and removing free will is an evil thing (unless it's specifically the redefining of evil creatures to force them to be good - the Book of Exalted Deeds is almost as fucked up as the Book of Vile Darkness). At the very least, the sort of personality you describe of someone that knowingly strips free will from people "because they were meant to serve" is neutral and can't be good.

>>51570483
It's also fake.

>>51553923
The answer to this is more or less semantics.

Going by the word enthralled, a "thrall" is one that is fascinated by something to the point of not considering things they otherwise would. For example, you focus so much on something you don't notice the temperature change in your house.

If you are aware and unhappy with the situation, you aren't "enthralled" you are "Compelled". That subtle difference would be why there's no unhappy thralls. They'd be slaves, if anything.

Small difference, i know, but its still there.

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Firstly, I want to apologise for derailing the thread a bit earlier.

>>51566060
That's okay, I needed to say this anyway. Thanks. F-List seems too sexual, somehow - like it wouldn't reach into other parts of my life.

>>51566192
>>51566269
>>51568820
All promising. Though religion is more difficult to get into than you'd imagine if you grew up as an atheist. And serving machines and serving people is clearly something different... I might try it.

>>51566400
>>51570369
At the very least, I am happy to know that this is not a one-sided problem.

I render 3d pictures of a goblin thrallherd and his various exotic thralls.

Is that weird or fetishy /tg/?

>>51572276
The only weird thing is you not posting a link right fucking now.

>>51568387
/erpg/ was never meant to be /soc/

>>51572286
It's deviantart tier, mate, and weird. I just make them for my own consummation.

Like a goblin on a bridge fucking two giantesses while a titaness crush a castle and a pony angel is parked near. Weird.

>>51571312
Actually, 'thrall' is the norse word for 'slave'. I can't fine a single definition of the word that involves obsession or ocd with a single thing like you describe.

>>51573224
once again going by the word "Enthralled"

>>51573865
>once again going by the fact that I'm a moron
FTFY, "enslave" is still an archaic meaning of enthrall.

>>51573892
Insulting my intelligence doesn't help when your reading comprehension led you to miss that statement the first time.

Second, no one cares about a words archaic usage because it is just that. archaic. Regardless of where a word came from and what it meant then, its usage can change greatly in a span of time.

Or do i need to bring up the definition of the word archaic as well?

>>51565087
I wouldn't take it seriously no matter what voice it was in.

Not even Morgan Freeman could save Lucy.

>>51563950
>>51564149

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/vitalist

>>51570130
Don't forget that their Cult Master archetype is almost a direct copy of the thrallherd, squished into a 6th level casting class.

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>>51574770
I do love that archetype.
Plus just look at the art for him! You have to ham it up and declare things like 'bitches for doom' and cackle when that is your class artwork.

>>51573224
I'm pretty sure that the other anon is more saying that it's like a trance than like ocd.

>>51573892
>>51573983
You really don't need to fight. You're both saying the same thing, you're just getting caught up in the semantics.

>>51574770
Ah, yes, that also.

>>51572988
Mind control AND size difference huh.
LINK IT NIGGA

>>51559650
psions have one advantage over wizards though: tying them up, gagging them and any other form of physical restraint does absolutely jackshit
if a psion is awake its at full power, heck blindfolding them might not even work due to them getting easy access to forms of telepathy

while it isn't relevant if you plan on killing them, if you need to actually capture them you're going to need to lock them in an anti-magic field 24/7 and hope psionic-magic transparency is in effect

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>>51572254
>dat ass

Is there a way we can make pathfinder's Psychic class into a thrallherd?

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>>51580631
Dreamscarred Press ported Psionics over to Pathfinder and included the actual Thrallherd. I'd go with that unless you're specifically barred from 3rd party material.

Otherwise just Charm/Dominate everything, take Leadership, and rewrite some fluff.

>>51580756
We're allowed the Occult classes are a bit less OP then core magic classes. But you've made a good suggestion.