Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

>>51535744
are gretchin worth it?

the models are so cute.

>>51535805
You'll need at least 4 squads to fulfill troop choices in a double CAD so you can load up on bikers/tankbustas/mek gunz

>neophyte hybrid - 5ppm
>veterans - 6 ppm
>space marine scout - 11 ppm
>deathwatch veteran - 18 ppm

scouts and hybrids should be 1 ppm more expensive

similarly if that trend was followed, rubric marines should have access to some amazing shotguns, but they don't

are GK halberds worth the two points per dude?

>Base Exalted sorc is 160pts
>ML3, Disk and Seer's Bane cost 95 additional points

This is some bullshit.

Do you roll powers or warlord traits first?

>>51535744

Dafuq is going on in that picture?

Also, how to use scions?

>>51535884
SM got attacked by tyranids

Reminder that the Night Lords theme song has been found at long last
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGzY-ihqWc&feature=share [Open]

FAQ:
>Dubstep is gay lol?
Dubstep suits many chaotic factions as it is fairly chaotic
Also this song is hardly Dubstep

>I listened to three seconds and I thought it was shit?
No, you are shit. Try lasting longer than you do in bed next time, before giving a review

>If this music isn't to my personal taste, does that mean it is the wrong song for the Night Lords?
No

>ITS NOT METAL I CAN SHAKE MY NECKBEARD TO????
Metal music is lame, this isn't the 80s. The Night Lords have evolved a lot in the last 8-10 years, so get on board or fuck off. Metal only really suits World Eaters, even then, probably Hardcore.

>My Emps Children love the shit metal though!!!
No, your structured music would hire them to death. Please read current fluff, not your 80s shit

>LOL LOOK MY SHIT SONG ABOUT BATS OR LIGHTNING IS FUNNY
*Pat pat* nice original joke, friend

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What is it about the swarmlord that rustles so many jimmies? People go into full autistic sperg rages about it

>>51535923
It auto corrected "bore" to "hire". Will be errated in next post.

>>51535838
If you have extra points,go for it. I tend to not have the extra pts and running something like 15 to 20 terminators, the pts really do add up.

>>51535833
What are you trying to say?

>>51535923
>Metal music is lame, this isn't the 80s. The Night Lords have evolved a lot in the last 8-10 years, so get on board or fuck off. Metal only really suits World Eaters, even then, probably Hardcore.
You need to hang yourself.

>>51535880
Traits then powers.

>>51535970
there is this weird pattern with shotguns in 40k that was pointed out last thread

there should be a unit around 23 or 24 ppm that uses shotguns, but there isn't

>>51535972
Are you flopping that neckbeard to metal music in anger at what my truth delivered?

>>51535923
>dissing metal on /tg/
>where do you think you are

I mean, I agree with you. But the majority of /tg/ seems to like metal. At least the 40k fan base. Seems to attract the same sort of people

>>51535990
Fuck off, you millennial shitstain.

>>51536009
Stop responding to forced pasta.

>>51536017
Oh, okay.
Should I buy 1 or 2 sentinels?

>>51535997
I am just sick of saying "Hey, I found this cool song that suits chaos", and all the replies on are "LOL CHAOS SUIT METAL ONLY" when that is so, so wrong.
Putting one dimensional music to a faction that is more than one dimension.

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r8 n h8

Just ordered both Horus Heresy Box sets. Is using mk3 armour in 40k complete fluff rape or can I get away with it?

>>51535884
He pulled his dick out in front of angry feminists.

>>51536009
Nice come back, friend.

>>51536075
It doesn't look too shabby. You've got a good amount of meat in there and mek gunz to provide long range support. About the only thing I'd change is swap mega nobz for nobz and take the mega armor from the boss. They can't run and charge when he calls the waagh in mega armor and anything worth their weight in cc will cut through the 2+ armor anyways. You also get more nobz and more nobz equals more attacks.

My two cents. Hope this helps

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>>51535923
Posting shitty music is an ok bait. Not very original, but not worst kind of bait either.

>>51536029
Buy whatever ammount you want. They are cool models. Powerplay wise you shouldn't really take them unless you need them on formations you gonna take.

>>51536192
Nobz with klaws cost more than meganobz.

>>51536082
I don't see what's wrong. Some chapters field entire companies of terminator armor, why not entire companies of mk3 armor? Aside from mk3 probably being obsolete by the time of the 41st Millennium that is

>>51536226
Then don't give em klaws. Personally, I prefer to give em big choppas. Also get that banner that gives delicious +1 ws to hit on 3s on everything and 4s on bigger things.

>>51536195
>I don't like this music
I answered your post in point 3.

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>Necrontyr
>Tyranids /

>>51536257
Nobz probably won't soak enough firepower to be worth it.

>>51536257
How do Big Choppas do for you? I still need a couple of Klaws to make sure I'm not bogged down or outkilled by anything with a decent armour save. By that point after buying Eavy armour I might as well have paid for MANZ to soak up all the small arm fire better.

>Each level of ML adds +2 spell rolls and WC generated instead of current +1

Y/N?

culexus assassin fun to take? Thinking about adding one to my Minotaurs list.

>>51536315
He has a trukk. He can call a waaagh every turn (After the first though, I believe). He can reroll a dice when charging. And he has 120 boyz stomping up with the nobz with mek gunz and buggies for support. I dunno what kind of meta he is fighting, but unless he's local is filled with all sorts of power lists, the odds of the nobs making it into combat are not bad at all. Also with the abundance of ap2 guns all over the place, the meganobz 2+ has less value. Figured he'd get more mileage out of more bodies and attacks than just 3 meganobz.

>>51535805
I include at least a few units in every Ork list I have. They're cheap for a troop tax, and they're good objective holders. If the other player wants to remove them they have to waste time killing a 35pt unit.

>>51536425
They do alright, but then again I use the unit as a bully unit - picking off weaker opposition rather than slamming them head first into a squad of terminators. And you can always add 1 or 2 more Klaws into the squad depending on points to ensure things stay dead but way I see it, your boss has 4 attacks, 5 on a charge and will be hitting on 3s on most things cos of the banner. That's solid odds of mopping up whatever the choppas don't get.

>>51536447
If you're fighting psykers, they are great for you, not much fun for your opponent.

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Any experiences had with/against hunters?

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>>51535744
I am become death. Destroyer of tiny mon'kiegh.

>>51536561
Sweet titty sprinkles, is dat sum Epic? And a shitload of it, at that?

>>51536575
And both very old and comparatively new epic too.

>>51536434
No. Psychic phase was a mistake.

>>51536575
>>51536579
Damn straight, anons. Guess how much this cost me in shekels?

>>51536601
$who cares

>>51536561
>3264x2448

>>51536608
You do, anon. You do, because all this glorious crack was given to me.

For free.

Blessed be Khaine for the glorious gift of plastic crack.

>>51536666
I think Slaanesh is who you should thank for the crack.

Nice force though.

>>51536666
>Old as fuck Eldar epic army
>still unpainted
kek

>>51536666
I have no idea how to play epic. How do you play epic?

>>51536666

Now, paint them all red, in the name of Ynnead.

Do it for our future, fellow eldar.

>Vect is gonna die
>Commorragh will be destroyed
>The Dark Eldar will continue to exist as little enclaves throughout nameless craftworld
The Fracture of Biel-Tan

>>51536710
To be honest, it is pretty much like 40k these days because of all the big titans and MC and Primarchs.

>>51536744
Dude craftworlds are just gonna become glorified Imperium Space Stations.

The Ynnari literally do more harm to the Eldar than they do to Chaos. Within the very first months of their existence they destroy Commorragh and Biel-Tan and then decide to give the Imperium the Webway.

Ynnead is clearly Slaanesh doing an inside job to finish off the Eldar in one move.

Fucking Eldar just can't win anything ever. There Seers and Psykers suck balls, their gods sabotage their own faction and they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

>>51536823
>YFW Ynnead is actually a puppet of Tzeentch, playing the long game of taking out Slaanesh by wiping out the Eldar
Come on GW, this shit writes itself, get your act together

>>51536848
Tzeentch is doing enough already dude, give the neglected Chaos God a chance to actually matter for a change.

>>51536506
Okay thanks. It seems like he is pretty boss even without your enemy having psykers though.
I have never versed one either

Fa/tg/uys, is Kill Team or HoR actually fun? Want to transition from WFB to 40k.
Also is there any tl;dr army characteristic? I mean 'army vibe' in game feel, not stricltly lore wise.

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Can melee SoB work in a competitive (not Waac) environment?

Is AdMech a money-grab by GW? 3x Codex, need to buy 3 armies (Ski+Cult+IK)?

>>51536917
Everything can work in casual.

>>51536892
>Dakka armies
Imperium of Man
Orks
Chaos Space Marines
>Puny laser shooty armies
Eldar
Tau
Necrons
>NPC
Tyranids
>>51536917
If you actually manage to somehow scrape together an SoB army you should win by default. Holy shit those models are expensive.

>>51536928
I fixed it for you
>Imperium armies
Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Imperial Guard
Sisters of Battle
Knights
Tempestus Scions (Stormtroopers)
Skitari
Mechanicus
Assassins
Inquisition
Grey Knights
Deathwatch

>NPC
Everyone else

>>51536922
Said competitive not casual.

>>51536928
What are third party models?

>>51536917
Once you got the repentia in a Land Raider it's doable.

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>>51536928
>tfw 2000pts of sisters

>>51536917
What's a non-competetive non-WAAC environment? Playing intentionally fucked up lists for shit and giggles? "Forgin a narrative"? Losing on purpose?

>>51535926
>those smokepipes/chimneystacks

Is he a fucking train or something?

>>51536983
I want them but I'm not going to pay those prices
Maybe I should though, while they still have rules.
>>51536954
I haven't looked at any, but I doubt they can capture the SoB feel as well as GW products. Maybe I'm wrong though.

>>51536450

Waaagh doesn't actually make them faster though. It just lets you run and charge, which is only relevant when you're close enough to charge anyway.

>120 Boyz

With zero survivability. This is a list that would have worked decently in the days of 5th edition. It simply doesn't work now. There's too much firepower out there. They're not Fearless. Nob leaders can and do get Challenged out. And if they do manage to footslog it all the way across the board, they don't accomplish much when they get there. MCs will eat them alive, dedicated assault units don't give a shit, and melee deathstars will laugh at almost everything in the list. Hell, this is a list where a single Knight is an overwhelming threat. The only thing that's a genuine threat to it is a lone AV10 open topped transport. Even if you flat out up the board Turn 1 (if you get first turn) you're still going to be stranded in the middle of no-man's land when literally any army in the game blows it to pieces in their turn. Then your no-invul save Boss and MANZ stand there taking Ap2 up the arse.

His meta doesn't need to be short of power lists. It needs to be short of people who understand of how the game works now.

>>51536975
You made me remember the Fatih Rape Train formation does not have Repentias.

The bloody thing is just a priest battle conclave that can be huge.

God damn it that book was infuriating. So badly put together.

>>51536919
the start collecting skitarii is the best value box set you can by from GW right now and most the mechanicus stuff has rules inside. You are unlikely to take anything from cult mechanicus other than kataphrons, dominus and maybe castellans in any case.

>>51535923
Justify using a song with female vocals for a Space Marine legion

I'll wait

>>51537007
I know the words but... WHAT?

>>51536985
Waac, riptide wing, wraith knight, Eldar bikes and warp spider, random Inqusitor for servo skulls.

Competitive, your Eldar list with wraith knight, bikes but not spamming every single slot with cannons, maybe something else.

Casual, swarm Nid, footstlogging BT.

Get the idea?

>>51536996
Raging hereos and the Russian dude. Some people use dream forge model. Thanks to T H I C C meme the dream forge models are not that out of place now.

Personally I use a mix of all. Either fluff it as a Canonness winning a game of Tarot against a Magus, so the order is provided with bulky armour out of spite. Resulting in the Inquisition coming to check if the church has men under arms.
Or Inquisition battle harem.

>>51537067
>inquisition battle harem
DON'T GIVE ME IDEAS MAN

>>51537067
Not seeing any Sisters of Battle passable minifigures either from Raging Heroes or Dreamforge. Don't know who this "russian dude" is.

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Never really got a reply on this before:

Can only roll on each table once per month, can earn a maximum of two rolls per month and start with two, so in the first month could end up needing to roll on four tables.

After cult and cult support as the no brainer starters, what other two should I go for?

>>51536996

I've been playing them since 4th when they were available.

Hey guys, new player. Where can I get cheap Windriders and Wraiths?

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What is this "Vect is going to die" meme I'm seeing now? Is Khaine's Gate opening in Commorragh? Is Vect (and his city) going to become a disposable background character to make way for all this Ynnead shit?

I want a new Vect model and I have a Black Heart Kabal army with hundreds of models. This shit better not happen.

I am seriously considering starting either a Necron or Dark Eldar army. I've only ever played Imperium and I want an army to fight my friends' Imperium armies with. I'm not concerned with power rankings, my friends are all pretty bad at this game.

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>tfw your tachyon arrow takes a knight off the table

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>>51537373

Where did you hit it, anon?

>>51537364
Ynnari shenanigans blew the Khaine Gate wide open before they left.

The Chapter is called "Bane of Commorragh" because the whole city is under daemon siege now.

>>51537392
Good thing Vect has been preparing for this day.

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>>51537091
Do it! You can finally use all those lewl models you like so much

>>51537108
Grishnak picture related

>>51537398
Just like Abaddon for FoC!

Such good writing! No asspulls or plot armour in that story!

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>>51537392
It's been stated somewhere that Vect's mind is so complex and labyrinthine it nearly rivals Tzeentch. Surely he has more than a few backup plans in case Khaine's Gate blew open. I know Lady Malys was fighting against him like a moron but still, he comes across as the kind of guy that will do what needs to be done when the time comes.

He's blown up and sealed off entire sections and districts of Commorragh before and spends the lives of his people and his own warriors like they're nothing. They'd better not lowball him in this book. Vect is one character I've always wanted to see more of.

>>51537422
Yep, great book.

>>51537422
>Just like Abaddon for FoC!

Well, yeah? Abaddon covered all his bases. Asspulls kept being thrown it him but he planned around them all.

>>51536009
T. Millennial

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MAKE FUCKING WAY PEASANTS

PRIMARCH COMING THROUGH

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>>51537449

>>51537430
If Vect was so smart he would have bent the knee to Ynnead. He is denying himself and his followers a place in her cycle of Rebirth.

>>51537449
Wow. The spiritual liege himself.

Can't wait for the general threads when he and the third part of Gathering Storm come out.

>>51535923
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.

>>51537456
IT CANNOT BE!

>>51537449
God damn it looks derpy.

If he is a Marine only character I'm going to be piss.

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why is nobody talking about this

>guilliman
>cypher
>some kind of grey knight man

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/5rte5u/received_white_dwarf_march_2017_today/

>>51537480
Draigo...

>>51537480
>That Cypher

Hnng

>>51537480
It's right here. >>51537449

>>51537490
I don't see Draigo mentioned anywhere, are you sure? I don't know much about grey knights

>>51537501
yeah well in the time it took me to upload it on my peasant internet GW could release 2 editions of an ork codex

>>51536991
he is a victorian era warship. Those are the exhausts for his coal powered boilers.

>>51537364
Vect is gone, like Commoraggh and Biel-tan.

The Ynnari have pretty much killed the Eldar species and now decided to just give the Imperium the Webway since there aren't enough Eldar left to use it anyway.

Nice way to squat the faction. Ynnari literally beat Artemis at killing Eldar.

>>51537480
Oh my god? Where is Calgar? Did they kill Calgar?

>>51537480
>Cypher promises to help Guilliman
>Only if he takes him to Terra

Age of the Emperor confirmed, Cypher will kill the Emperor and bring about a new age.

>>51537449
>>51537456
Screen it. Next triumvirate will be Guilliman Draigo and Punished Creed.

>they are fighting against TS
>Magnus vs Guiliman hype

>>51537526
No, looks like it's probably going to be Guilliman, Cypher and whoever that Grey Knight is.

>>51537526
it's cypher, not creed

>>51537456
Can we just squat non-Imperium and Chaos already? They really don't do anything except die or play sidekick, its becoming annoying.

Look at this Gathering Storm. The first and last books intersect well telling a classic story of villain gets in one win then heroes rally at the end to win.

Then in the middle we've got some pointless crap about the Eldar killing themselves which serves as a glorified back story to just explain how Celestine and co. get to Macragge quick.

Fucking birth of an actual God is playing second fiddle to a Primarch.

>>51537526
Uhm, no.

It's Draigo, Cypher and Guilliman, Anon. It's right fucking there.

>>51537541
>pointless crap about the Eldar killing themselves

Anon, this just shows how little fluff you know. Shut up and sit down.

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>>51537514
>Squatting the Eldar

Die GW. Die.

>>51537449
>his sword is on fire
Ew.

>>51537555
Eldar aren't getting fucking squatted, god fucking dammit. He's being a stupid fuck.

>>51537552
The only casualties from the book are Biel-Tan and Commorraggh. How is it not Eldar killing themselves?

The Ynnari seem to be Eldar who specialize in killing other Eldar.

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>>51537541
>Can we just cut out half the factions so that mine can get more attention

Pic related

>>51537449
>he's not in a super dreadnought
dang, I was hoping

oh well, SPIRITUAL LIEGE time

>>51537541
>The first and last books intersect well telling a classic story of villain gets in one win then heroes rally at the end to win.

You know, like the WHFB End Times? Where the heroes and races united against Chaos.....and then got bitchslapped by the combined fuckery of Mannfred the Based and Archaon

>>51537480
>Cypher leads Guilliman to Terra

Hmmmmmmmm

>>51537573
>Cypher leads Guilliman to Terra
Other way around anon.

What's the important of Cypher's sword?

>>51537566
Biel-Tan splits up into a fleet, not destroyed and Commoragh, I don't know about yet, but I don't think it gets destroyed. Ynnari are a resurgent empire faction, like Biel-Tan but with ghost powers who get stronger if you kill them, but their souls don't die.

>>51537581
You're right anon, i fucked up.

Still, i wonder what kind of beast will Guilliman be. Probably around 300-450pts, i'd wager.

>>51537571
Dude its called Rise of the Primarch. The Girlyman is clearly going to win, he's a Ultramarine Primarch.

Point is I agree Fracture of Biel-Tan is pointless. It serves no purpose. Its meant to be the big revelation of galaxy shaking proportion, the birth of a new God who can save the Eldar from Slaanesh, but it is instead a story about a Craftworld blowing up, Commorragh blowing up, a Avatar of Khaine-level character emerging (cause that'll change anything) and literally is being played as less significant than one Primarch coming back.

Eldar are out. There gonna become vassals to the Imperium, clearly the Ynnari's plan.

>>51536928
>Not buying SoB for cheap from China
Added bonus, in resin instead of metal

>>51537590
>ghost powers who get stronger if you kill them, but their souls don't die.

OMG THEY STOLE THIS FROM AOS STORMCAST.

>>51535884
Feminists protesting saying they should be able to do what they want with their bodies. A real life hero whips his dick out in front of them. Naturally he gets lynched but he knows it was worth it. One of the foremost women in the crowd was identified as having done beastiality porn.

>>51537601
They either get absorbed by Ynnead, making it stronger or sucked into soul stones and used to empower living Ynnari.

Not a weird reforging thing like the Stormcast.

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>>51537449
IS THAT MOTHERFUCKING CYPHER AND THE FALLEN ON THE LEFT?????

>>51537590
White Dwarf says destroyed twice. At best some Biel-Tan ships survive and become part of the Ynnari fleet. The Craftworld itself though, its traditions and system and role as the Khainest of Craftworlds, is dead. Its military power is gone and, with that, the only Craftworld with any military power in the galaxy.

And with Commorraggh gone too that probably means the strongest Eldar force right now is some Exodite world somewhere.

>>51537480
huh I wonder if Dark angels will get some much needed love, it's not like they and the wolf wolves were pivotal in the whole fall of cadia thing is it.

I see black armoured DA in the back ground, maybe we'll get Fallen formations or something

>>51537613
read the text

G money knows something about cypher's mystery sword and isn't super happy about him being there.

>>51537614
>And with Commorraggh gone too that probably means the strongest Eldar force right now is some Exodite world somewhere.

Or, you know, the Ynnari, the new faction of both Eldar groups combined that came from the wreckage of both peoples.

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>>51537526
>punished creed
>draigo
I doubt it anon

>GK are there

What if we get Janus?

>>51537633
>Formed from the few survivours of Biel-Tan, the few survivours of Commorraggh who don't stick with Vect and the Haemonculus Covens who are canonically already stated to oppose Ynnead.
Anon at this point the Ynnari's largest military force is Ulthwe which, in its entire history, has only ever won two battles and both times it only won because the Imperium aided it.

Ynnari are fucking pathetic, why do you think the first thing they do is run off to give the Imperium control of the Webway?

>>51537459
Sorry, what is funny about my post?

>>51537657
The three characters are very clearly pictured. Interesting questions are things like what are non-imperium factions getting.

>>51537678
Nothing. Because GW hates their non marine armies

>>51537678
The Yncarne/Yvrainne/Vizarch.

Please take them, they clearly want to be in the Imperium more anyway.

But seriously that is true. The Imperium is getting a total of six new characters out of this. What about Orks, Tau, Necrons or, I don't know, CHAOS

>>51537456

>Humans get 3
>Eldar get 3
>Space Marines get 3

SPECULATION TIME

What do the other factions get?

Orks obviously get Ghazzy and the two warring bosses

CSM get Failbaddon, Morty, and the new Prophet of the 8th

Tau get shadow sun and friends

Nids get nothing. C'mon, really?

>>51537698
Gathering storm is the start, it's still ongoing after that.

>>51537697
Sad but true

>>51537700
Ghazzy and two warbosses will literally die in two seconds flat to Roboute or Magnus.

I don't think Orks will even get anyone. Chaos is here as big bad now, Orks are probably gonna go the Fantasy route and be ignored till the end.

this commoragh gone shit needs a bit fat [citation]

>>51537729
All we know is that Yvraine and the Visarch cause a massive daemon outbreak in there.

>>51537713
I'm actually willing to bet we'll pretty much just see Chaos and Imperials.

Eldar got squatted already so they're out, and I don't think any other factions gonna make it into the story much.

talking about novels what books would you recommend?

>>51537655

Not Draigo.
>Crest symbol is not Draigo's
>Complete lack of the Titansword
>Lacking the chapter's only storm shield

Unless Draigo sacrificed his only storm shield, that the regular mooks amongst the Grey Knights could have them at long last, I can't believe that's Draigo.

Granted, I'll still buy a dozen of those models.

>>51537741
>Eldar got squatted already so they're ou

Do you even know what the fuck that word means?

>>51535923
Dubstep would be more appropriate for AdMech, if they listened to music at all other than static and white noise

>>51537735
They break open Khaine's Gate. Dark Eldar Codex already says that Vect considers that pretty much Game over for Commorraggh and he's gonna flee somewhere else.

Not to mention the Emperor couldn't hold back a Webway breach, there's no way Commorraggh can.

裏切ると思っている連中を信じる訳が無い

>>51537755
no anon I agree with you I was replying to >>51537526
who seemed to miss the picture altogether and didn't spot Cypher or the GK dude

>>51537449
>>51537480
>WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU GIRLYMAN

Fucking hell. Thank god FW one exists.

Cypher and Drago look great though.

>>51537765
Fine, become minor faction of no consequence serving as slave fodde for the Imperium.

Squatting would be preferable, and understandable. At this stage the Eldar have literally lost every single story event they are involved in...unless said event had them playing Robin to the Imperium's Batman.

>>51537449
HOLY SPINACH TITS

>>51537700
What would Nids even have? Characters isn't their strong suit. Only relevant character would be a genestealer cult terran high lord, that kraken in fenris could fuck the space wolves base up while they are away and maybe some psyker creature could get involved.

>>51537810
Valedor.

>>51537810
>minor faction of no consequence

Bullshit anon. Ynnari are being described as a resurgant force in the galaxy.

>>51537820
Major event anon. Major event.

>>51537784
Apologies, anon, must have mis-quoted.

>>51537822
Seriously? Your not joking here? They've literally just wiped out two of the largest centers of Eldar population and military power.

Resurgent force, that's a good one.

They don't even have the Haemonculus on their side so they can't make clone armies, and their literal god is weaker than a Primarch.

>>51537845
That's how they are being described, Anon, it's in the current White Dwarf.

You're making up your own narrative here.

>>51537655
>That Roman numeral on the power hammer

>>51537845
>They've literally just wiped out two of the largest centers of Eldar population and military power.

Who cares? Only thng that matters is how many named characters you have.

>>51537857
Biel-tan is described as destroyed, Commorraggh is described as overrun and the Warhammer people themselves on the facebook ask 'how bad can it go a second time?'

Think about it. The only plot event which the Ynnari get right is saving the Imperium and handing them the Webway.

The other anon is right, Ynnari are just gonna become little vassals for the Imperium to save the day. The only military contribution the Ynnari have made is wiping out the two strongest Eldar armies.

>>51537863
That's an Inquisitorial letter i

>>51537866
Yeah but the Imperium has already, and will always, win that by a factor of at least 2-1

>>51537863
surely you meant
>that stylized inquisition symbol on the daemonhammer

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>>51537449
I hope this comes with a none retarded gladius option and the legs are able to be repositioned. The face looks cartoony too...

>rumors are that Abaddon gets murdered

Awesome

>>51537908
Source?

>>51537904
>special characters
>options
Nope

>>51537908
if cadia getting blown up means abaddon getting shot in the face, it was a worthwhile sacrifice

>>51537908
Haha! This is brilliant. We may have lost Cadia but so what, there are like a million Nova Cadias.

Eldar die as a species. We get control of Webway.

Abaddon dies. We get a Primarch back.

I knew GW wouldn't let me down. Fall of Cadia actually had me almost worried there for a second.

>>51537908
Shot by a bolt pistol.

FAILURE

>>51537916
http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2017/02/abbadon-killed-last-book-called-rise-of.html

Came out before the leak.

>>51537700
>Prophet of the 8th
Yes my son, finally the people see the truth.

>>51537920
There were a few for magnus with various bits, but probably hoping a little much for a weapon swap.

I feel like this is moving way too fast NOT for it to be some age of the emperor type shit, regardless of what GW says on facebook. I mean seriously, gathering storm? Cadia destroyed? Daemon primarchs coming out in full force, and girlyman, and cypher, that whole eldar deal, among other things, all in a few months. Theres no way this is all just gonna be something that lasts a few months before it dies down again.

>>51537904
>sword 8ft long 2/3rd the height of Gulliman
>a gladius

that's not evee a spatha mate.

>>51537768
>Only one faction can have a genre of music
No buddy, they can share.

>>51537949
Gathering Storm is step 1.

Three months for that. They introduce 8th, and keep advancing the story.

>>51537700
Necrons are going to the motherfucking Silent King and a Void Dragon shard.

>>51537954
That's why I said a gladius option amigo...

>>51537963
They'll probably lose but, eh, you take what you can get I suppose.

>>51537932
Oh....you mean like how the Pylons blew up Cadia? Don't count your rumours before they germinate.

Girlyman looks shit

That Grey Knight is Garro.
>WHERE IS HIS SWORD THOUGH?
Lost thousands of years ago

>>51537970
Necrons cannot lose. They are immortal.

>>51537480
Was about to say whatever, but..
Cypher confirmed loyalist, time to chase the traitors out of the closet!

>>51537981
>loyalist
>worked as an agent for Abaddon

Just a random thing while everyone's freaking out about Guilliman.

Page 82, Command Benefits, Cult Uprising

Replace the rule for Cult Uprising with the following:

‘Cult Uprising: When a unit of Chaos Cultists from this Detachment is completely destroyed, you may add 1 to the dice roll for the A Tide of Traitors special rule when determining whether or not a new unit is placed into Ongoing Reserves.’

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/traitor-legions-faq-update-for-chaos-cultists/

>>51537977
Everything loses to the Imperium m8

>>51537996
>+1
>not +2

Fucking cunts. Still, a welcome change.

>>51537992
Everyone knows 'armless is the lesser evil.

>>51538000
Not the Tau.

>>51537810
To be fair anon the Eldar's fate was already sealed in Death Masque. This is just hammering in the end. Eldrad already made clear there that either Death Masque works or else it fails and they're all doomed.

Hence they're all doomed thanks to Captain Artemis. To be fair considering it seems Ynnead itself is gonna be less important than a Primarch I don't really see how Eldrad's plan was feasible anyway. Ynnead clearly can't hope to compare to a Chaos God, even on as weak as Slaanesh.

>>51538022
We aren't fucking doomed yet, Anon.

Ynnari will retake the old Empire, Ynnari will form Ynnead, Ynnari will kill Slaanesh.

>>51538014
Nope. There is no greater evil out there. Cypher helped out Abaddon's plans and even when now Cypher is helping the loyalist his motives are questioned.

>>51538020
>Voltoris
>Kvariam Alpha
>Neotech
>Stygian
>That one where the Space Wolves go Pearl Harbour on their asses

Wow, that's a lot of defeats which apparently aren't written in canonical sources and...

Wait...that's right. They are all canonical defeats.

Oh lets also not forget about that time the Deathwatch crippled the ENTIRE Farsight Enclaves military. Good times.

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>>51538000
Wrong.

The Gk is probably mordrak,the master of second fellowship,that's a 2 not an i...
Or so i heard it would bè him.

>>51537996
So from double down, to two 50% rolls to a single 66% roll.

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GUYS

GUYS

GUYS HEY GUYS

I'M GOING TO PUT TORCHES...GUYS LISTEN

GUYS, I'M GOING TO PUT TORCHES...ON MY FEET!

ON MY FEET GUYS!

>>51538031
Ynnari can't retake shit. They've destroyed the only two Eldar armie whichever won battles.

The only thing they're doing so far is helping the Imperium reclaim their Empire. Ynnead's weak as fuck, can't even save one Craftworld or match one Primarch.

>>51538041
The Tau have as much victories against the Imperium. No wait a second. The Tau victories are greater since the Tau kept gaining ground while the Imperials continued to be pushed back.

>>51538000
Especially the Imperium.
No external force threatens it as much as it's own weight and inertia.

>>51538046
Actually right. You guys lose more battles than you win against the Imperium. But because of Damocles Warzone, which involved two battles, you just don't know all the other battles.

Sorry dude numbers don't lie. If you tally up the number of times in fluff their are engagements between Tau and the Imperium, the Imperium wins more. Lets not forget the Lagan sector either.

Imperium wins m8, sucks to be you.

>>51538057
You'll see. You'll all see.

>>51538054
I want to believe it's part of the wreckage he's on.

>>51538061
Nope.

Imperium took the colony of Vesh'yo. Took the entire Lagann system which, alone, is more than the Tau have taken from them

>>51538052
Heraldry should be a white shield with black skull and red nova around it though. Not saying you're wrong, but if it is Mordrak GW needs to open up their own goddamn codices from time to time.

>>51538054
I think those are just sticking out of the rubble behind his feet

>>51538071
Nope, the Tau won more. The Tau canonically gained a lot of ground in Imperial space and the Imperium failed to dislodge them and push them back.

>>51538068
Not really. The parts of the Imperium which need to win always do. The Imperium just holds itself back a little so that it doesn't roflstomp everyone else, its satisfied with simply curbstomping them.

So....are Dark Eldar squatted?
Is this it?
Mind autistic hands are shaking.

>>51538061
>YFW Tau are gonna be forced into an uneasy with the Imperiu as a waagh/hive fleet/Dynasty takes their entire core and second sphere worlds and a sizeable chunk of third sphere.

>>51538096
>So....are Dark Eldar squatted?
no

>>51538096
No.

>>51538073
Classy way of conceding I'm right.

>>51538082
Wrong.

Lagan was taken by the Ultramarines but at the same time that happened another system fell to the Tau. Offsetting the loss of Lagan.

>is more than the Tau have taken from them

LoL

Wrong. The Tau took dozens of systems from the Imperium.

>>51538111
You're not right. I am.

>>51538104
>>51538106

No they just destroyed their entire home and background, making them an irrelevant footnote in a cartoony contrived amalgamation of Eldar.

>>51538092
Name some examples anon.

Like I said the Imperium conquered the entire Lagann system and the veshy'o system from the Tau, retook Nimbosa recently too.

Other than Taros and Prefectia what did the Tau take? Agrellan doesn't count anymore since the book itself says is a lifeless rock now.

That's two against however many dozens the Imperium took. In a number game alone the Imperium is winning.

Not to mention even a small Imperium Force (the Deathwatch) managed to totally cripple the most elite Tau military force (the Farsight Enclaves)

>>51538113
Imperium wins by percentages.

>>51538104
>>51538106
But fuck, they fluff-nuked Commorragh...

>>51538129
Please link.

>>51538129
Not really. Vect and the Covens are constructing a Neo-Dark City.

>>51538096
Yes. Along with Biel-tan and most of the Craftworlds. Without Biel-tan to protect them Exodites are pretty much dead too.

>>51538085
>17
I don't play Gk and i don't know exactly their heraldry,i said only said what i heard(maybe that's a hypothesys not a rumor).
Maybe i'm wrong..

>>51538153
Stop making up shit, none of this happens besides Biel-Tan becoming a fleet and a daemon outbreak in Commoragh.

>>51538113
Name these systems.

I've given you Lagann and Veshyo. The anon above pointed out there's also Stygian and Kvariam Alpha.

Other than Prefectia and Taros what do you have?

>>51538140
Correct.

Imperium always wins.

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>Abaddon dies
>CSM get squatted
>All cultists are now GSC cultists because they're the bestest villains
>Massive IP shift, now the villains are actually tyranids
>Chaos is nothing but daemons of Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle
>Slaanesh RIP

This will make the setting simpler and easier for newbies, GW is genius!

>>51538163
I'm not angry at you; And your rumour may even yet be right! It's just that model's heraldry doesn't match any of the current grandmaster's in the GK codex, so there's no way of knowing who it's supposed to be.

>>51538179
Except tourneys...

Was so existed to see a second place, then halfway down the lost "inquisitorial detatchment" and "Windrider host"

>>51538164
WD uses the word destroyed twice when reffering to Biel-Tan's fate.

And 'just a Daemon outbreak?' Khaine's Gate is fucking open. The Dark Eldar Codex already explained that's pretty much gameover for the Dark City

Imperum might of lost Cadia, but they still got Terra/Mars/Armageddon/Macragge/Baal/Fenris/Medusa/The Phalanx/The Rock.

Eldar just lost Comorraggh and Biel-tan. The only two Eldar factions which could win anything. Eldar are dead, why do you think the Ynnari are hopping on the Imperium's dick in such a hurry?

>>51538139
>veshy'o system

What? You are jumping between planets, sectors, and worlds from one post to another. Don't lie and stay consistent.

Examples.
Forge world Halfus.

The system that offset Lagan

All the Imperial systems the Tau took at the start of the TSE which the Imperium never reclaimed and never touched.

>Not to mention even a small Imperium Force (the Deathwatch) managed to totally cripple the most elite Tau military force (the Farsight Enclaves)

And Farsight devastated the Flesh Eater chapter (IIRC) and covered his planet with their corpses.

BRB posting proofs.

>>51538198
>Inquisitorial Detatchment
The Inquisition isn't in the Imperium?

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>>51537480
>grey sues and blue sues, here to save the universe
Good thing I bailed on this nonsense for 30k tbhfam, call me when they reveal ork stuff

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>>51538206
Here is the bit where the Shadowsun conquered Imperial space.

>>51538206
That's one planet you've named. One! Is that all you can do? Besides the short story doesn't even make clear if the Tau win. So you can't even say that for sure.

Not to mention Farsight beat a company of marines. That's it. The Death Watch crippled the ENTIRE Farsight military Enclaves.

That would be like if Farsight crippled the entire Ultramarine chapter, not just a company, but the entire chapter.

>>51538232
>30k
That shit is just as bad and far more bland.

>>51538235
>862999.M41 - Knights Brought Low

>The military forces of the Farsight Enclaves arrive at the same conclusions as the Tau Empire from which they have seceded. They begin fielding the Riptides that have made their way into their possession alongside their veteran Broadside battlesuit teams. The first opportunity for their deployment in a live-fire situation comes when a Strike Cruiser full of battle-hungry Knights of Blood makes transition from the Warp near the capital world of Lub’grahl. The red and silver-armoured Space Marines launch a terrible purge of the Earth caste scientists that dwell in the planet’s living nodes, killing almost a thousand Tau before Commander Farsight’s fleet appears in low orbit. The vengeance of the battlesuits deployed onto Lub’grahl is measured and logical, but pitilessly effective. Every time the Knights of Blood launch their attacks against the large, obvious targets of the Firebase Support Cadres, they are intercepted before they reach their targets by blistering salvos from Farsight’s hidden Countercrisis Teams. In conjunction with the Broadsides and Riptides of the Support Cadres, Commander Farsight leaves the dusty surface of Lub’grahl littered with the smoking remains of power armoured bodies.

It was Knights of Blood, not Flesh Easters. My mistake.

>>51538235
Only planet that entire text confirms is in Tau hands is Agrellan which gets blown up later.

Besides in the text itself the Tau lose dozens of seeded colony worlds so what does that even prove?

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>>51538073
>You'll see. You'll all see.

>>51538252
Yep, like I said, one strike cruiser.

Not the ENTIRE chapter. Not even comparable to the Deathwatch crippling the ENTIRE Farsigh Enclaves.

>>51538242
>That's one planet you've named. One! Is that all you can do? Besides the short story doesn't even make clear if the Tau win. So you can't even say that for sure.

Warzone Damocles and Shield of Baal Devouter confirmed that it fell. Get your facts updated.

>Not to mention Farsight beat a company of marines. That's it. The Death Watch crippled the ENTIRE Farsight military Enclaves.

Did damage to high command structure but they didn't cripple it.

>>51538275
It says they crippled the Military hiearchy.

That's way more than taking on one ship.

Doesn't change that you could only bring up one specific example. I can bring up Voltoris, Kvariam Alpha, Vesh'yp that one the Space Wolves fought, Stygian and more.

>>51538259
Systems. The Tau went after Imperial systems and it says world after world fell to the Tau. Stop lying to me anon.

>>51538272
With enough marines to cover the world with.

>Commander Farsight leaves the dusty surface of Lub’grahl littered with the smoking remains of power armoured bodies.

>>51538104
>>51538106
But fuck, they fluff-nuked Commorragh...

So does anyone have a ballpark figure for how long your games take to play? I feel like 1k a side shouldn't be taking 2 hours.

>>51538304
It was destined. Gommoragh.

As a massive dark angels fan and player, im really happy to see Cypher but im also really fucking scared right now.

I hope to god they dont fucking pull the "lol meme's guys green armored dark angels are traitors" because im gonna be really fucking pissed if i need to repaint all my dark angels or they do away with the deathwing/ravenwing.

>>51538311
2-8 hours depending on game size.

>>51538320
>im gonna be really fucking pissed if i need to repaint all my
you won't

>>51538325
I really hope so, because i like the loyalist dark angels

>>51538311
Depends on:
Size
Army Familiarity
Wheter people are in a chatty mood

>>51538302
Boy it was one Strike Cruiser. I'm not even that anon but obviously that's just GW's writing fancy.

>>51537490
people are saying its either Garro or one of the other founders

>>51538340

Then you should have painted them black.

>>51538291
Also the Dolmac System which you forgot because it's mentioned in the same breath as Lagan.

And where does it say they crippled the Enclave hierarchy? You lied again!

>With Commander Farsight and his subordinates joining the war for Agrellan, the Deathwatch make an opportunistic attack on the Farsight Enclaves. They cause untold damage on the Enclaves’ command structure before Commander Farsight returns, vengeance foremost on his mind

>>51538304
Yeah but they fluff-nuked the whole species of Eldar so who's surprised?

>>51538311
checked

My 1850 games in which both me and my opponent know the rules fairly well, takes about 3 to 4 hours.

>>51538353
Fuck me right?

>>51538311
2k can be reasonably finished in under two hours, if the two players aren't retarded.

1k should bounce from a little under an hour to a little over an hour depending.

>>51538340
Just think about it. They're making big changes in the setting itself, but as far as everyone's armies are concerned? Only additions.

>>51538370
About 9,000 years later, actually.

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>>51538370
The sword is on fire, clearly it's hotter than the sword on the right.

>>51538360
>>51538341
>>51538324
>>51538369


Thanks lads, I suppose +/- 2 hours isn't too bad considering I have to explain both of our armies to my friend.

>>51538358
Untold damage. Duh. Literally so much damage it can't even be described.

Tau lost the whole Zeist Sector too. And the battle of Black Fathom. And the Hagus Wars. And the Kasiroth offensive. And the Siege of Pallia. And the Novum Deception. And the War of Infamy.

>>51538369
True, true.

>>51538370
Also is it just me, or doe he have some really weird perportions when it comes to his legs and torso, like his legs look to long and his waist to small for the rest of his body.

>>51538394
Admech?

>>51538370
>lacking basic investigation skills
plastiguilliman is obviously hotter than resiguilliman

you can tell because he has removed his cape

>>51538415
No? I'm new to IG and my friend doesn't understand his Marines no matter how many times we play.

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>>51538407
>Tau lost the whole Zeist Sector too.

Which was a ruse that Shadowsun sprung to distract the Imperium. While the Imperials were distracted with a diversionary force, the Tau strike at vulnerable systems and the gains there offset the losses at Zeist (source Tau codex 6th ED).

>battle of Black Fathom

That's against the Necrons and it was one battle in the war for the planet. The Tau were winning the start of the war.

>Untold damage. Duh. Literally so much damage it can't even be described.

Doesn't mean they were crippled.

Posting Tau victories against the Scions.

>>51535880
ExSorcs aren't worth it 99% of the time, but they are kinda fun to use sometimes.

The stuff you can buy for Sorcs to make them as close as possible is 115: ML+1, MoT and Aura. But for that extra 45 points you get Fearless, access to tons more disciplines, AP3 pistol, +1 BS/I/W/A and a free Lance blast.

If you have points to spare and want to keep a theme going, they're nifty.

i'm very new to this game and want to start by buying my first models for a kill team

according to the link in the OP the rules are:
>At least 4 non-vehicle models. No models with more than 3 wounds/hull points. No vehicles with combined armour of more than 33. No flyers. No 2+ save.

now that is quite overwhelming as i cannot make out the stats from the models on GWs website. i'd like to start collecting astra militarum. do i take 3 squads and one commissar?

Hey, anyone know when the GW stream starts today?

>>51538465
Yeah, i was thinking about being a melee beast. It seems that if i fail to roll EW trait i want to get Biomancy for +3T/EW or Sinistrum for +2T so he doesn't get pasted by a stray Power Fist, otherwise Divination for Precog and 3++.

Iirc, he can't upgrade 3++ to 2++, right?

>>51537449
as an ultranigger this makes me very happy

>>51538490

GW are streaming the HH Weekender live.

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>>51537449
>>51537456
>>51537480

Post YFW the Guilliman Dreadnought idiots got BTFO

>>51538517
Yeah, when is that?

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>>51538463

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>>51538519
I wanted it to be true so bad.

I also like this guilliman a lot so being BTFO is fine too I guess

I feel bad for Marine players who don't play Ultramarines or Grey Knights.
I guess Cypher can kinda team up with anyone?

I know how you feel.
-T. Chaos Player who doesn't play 1K Sons, World Eaters, or Black Legion

>>51538525

Tomorrow.

>>51538465
Regular sorcs also have access to the new disciplines so that point is moot. I do agree with you that for most the exalted sorc is just not worth it.

>>51538501
Not easily. There was an argument on the internet that if you got something that gave you a 3++ (the empyric shield power, for example), you can work around the mark of tzeentch restriction. I'd clarify it with your group first before you start pulling it on them though.

>>51538546
There's a stream TODAY

says so on their fucking twitch, Las Vegas Open 3rd of Feb.

When?

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>>51537932
>http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2017/02/abbadon-killed-last-book-called-rise-of.html

ADB on suicide watch

>>51538564
Yeah, i was referring to empyric shield. 2++ rerollable 3w model is just nasty, even if discipline itself is not as good at buffing ExSorc.

I guess i'll be running Biomancy or Divination depending on if i get EW trait.

>>51537388

haha oh my sides! Great comeback anon!

>>51538572
>They are making years long novel series about him and Black Crusade, kill him

Ain't gonna happen.

>>51537882
>Biel-tan is described as destroyed
No, the craftworld has broken down itself into the individual ships that made it up.
>Commorraggh is described as overrun
Not only has the Khaine's Gate thing been hyped up for 10 years, it is also the sole bad thing that has happened to Deldar ever, unless you can name another time Deldar have actually had a major threat on their hands outside a raid going bad.

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>>51538586
>GW will never do something stupid!
Hey, remember when Eldrad was canonically dead and still in the Codex?

>>51538057
>They've destroyed the only two Eldar armie whichever won battles.
>doesn't mention Alaitoc

>>51538387
>>51538370
Why is his sword on fire?
Why has it gone from being a gladius to just a huge on-fire power sword
Why does his powerfist look like the ones on the chaos chosen from dark vengence?
Why does he look like joffry?
Why has his armour gone from looking like cool artficer to ginant bubble armor covered in curves
WHY
WHY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

We now speculate his rules and stats for rawbutt girlyman

BS 6: WS 6: I 7: S 7: T 7: W 5: A 4: Ld 10: Sv 2+/3++

Rules
Eternal warrior
Fearless
Relentless
Some bullshit rules where unit can use his LD

Flamming sword of fagotry: AP2 S- (Because its still a power sword)
Wrist mounted heavy bolter
Power fist

>>51538607
Could be his father's sword. Nothing is really a stretch anymore,

>>51538613
You forgot Fleet and IWND. Maybe template with sword.

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>>51538607
Because i dont think thats actually his sword, i think thats the emperors sword. Check out the Big Es blade, looks very similar.

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>>51537456

You all doubted the Ultramarines. All of you. Never. Again.

>>51538613
Wow never try and write rules again.

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>>51538613
well this would be a good starting point

he'll probably have some army-wide rules, since that's kind of his whole deal

>>51538613
>Some bullshit rules where unit can use his LD
You mean one of the existing Warlord traits for Marines?

>>51538625
I thought about putting IWND, but i think thats more of a Iron hands things.

I mean i would give him the It will not die but we hope it does rule: Once per turn your opponent and any spectators may collectively groan in annoyance as they see yet another smerf player.

>>51538631
Fuck you i do what i want.

>>51538638
Im betting he is going to.

>>51538646
Not all space marines get it,

>>51535884
Brother Adamant cunningly lures the Tyranids into close combat to prove the superiority of human genes

>>51538588
>another time Deldar have actually had a major threat on their hands outside a raid going bad.

4 daemon invasions that ravaged the city.

And one city siege by the Black Legion.

Want me to post the lore?

>>51538232
keep crying bitch nigger

>>51538519
>Guilliman Dreadnought
I thought it was Dorn who was supposed to be a dread.

>>51538607
>Why is his sword on fire?
It's not his sword.
>Why has it gone from being a gladius to just a huge on-fire power sword
It's not the Gladius Invitus.
>Why does his powerfist look like the ones on the chaos chosen from dark vengence?
It's not the Hand of Fate.
>Why does he look like joffry?
Sculptor, and your prejudices.
>Why has his armour gone from looking like cool artficer to ginant bubble armor covered in curves
His Armor of Reason is likely long gone. You think they would allow such good equipment in 40k? He won't have his 30k rules or statline, either, I have no doubt.

>>51538607
>Why is his sword on fire?
He's really fired up!

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>>51538638

At least post Scanon's work.

>>51538628
>>51538624
I thought the burning blade relic was supposed to be the Big E's sword? still he might have that
>str 9 ap 2 attcks
why would you even bother with the fist?

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>>51538676

>>51538654
Over the course of 10k years, and each time, they bounced back better than ever and any lost turned into a "just as planned" by Vect.

>>51538676
I don't have my archives on hand and had to rely on google.

>>51538684
Armor bane?

>>51538673
>Why does his powerfist look like the ones on the chaos chosen from dark vengence?
>It's not the Hand of Fate.
well no, i hopes its the hand of dominion, and even if its not, why dosent it look like an imeapral fist rather than a chaos one

his armour still looks ike megaman

the models looks fucking bad compared to the FW one

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>Gathering storm was 2 thirds Imperium releases
They better be taking a fucking back seat for a few months or I won't be seeing shit for my faction till 2019.

>>51538232
>30k has BETTER Ultramarines, proto-GKs that are each a dozen times more badass than other marines, more superheavies/LoW in actual play than 40k and just as much power creep
>but it's totes better!

>>51538547
Oh do they? Well bugger. I use one at 1850 in my pure TS army, the BS5 helps with the lance and spellcasting so there's that small edge to consider.

If they were 20 points cheaper, they'd be almost an auto-include.

>>51538710
The unfortunate true is no one actually cares about xenos

>>51538703
Maybe ap1 armour bane, ID, unweildy or something? i could see it

>>51538710
What's your faction?

>>51538715
It's annoying that you have to get Aura instead of Sigil.

But yeah, only reason to run them is Seer's Bane/Disc combo.

>>51538720
Thats the only thing i could think of maybe.

>>51538718
>The unfortunate true

lol

Also say hello to the Tau and their 30 variants of Riptides