How "modern" should a Modern Fantasy setting be, especially

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Best is full fantasy, full modern, Tokyo. Refer to pic related for more information.

>>51514726
If there's anything more than a smidge of fantasy running around the background, hidden from the world? Then you've already abandoned the modern. The modern is defined by today's challenges and realities. If you strip those away with fantasy, then you aren't in a modern setting anyway.

You can have a whiff of fantasy in a modern setting. The real world but superheroes, vampires, or goblins under beds that transcend it are interesting specifically because they transcend it. But if fantasy is common-place in it, then there's nothing to be transcended, so you've abandoned modernity in the setting.

>>51514776
Masquerade modern setting are garbage tier fit for fanfiction level authors who can't write their way out of a paper bag.

Good modern fantasy setting are like Final Fantasy modern fantasy setting where the modernity is used to include more fun and props for plots to be done instead as cockblocks to DM and players imaginations.

>>51515010
Then it's not a modern setting. There's nothing modern about a final fantasy style setting. That computers exist? I enjoy those settings plenty. But they are not modern in any way, whatsoever.

>>51515029
Autist, good thing most of the world don't agree with your viewpoint or you will never have a lot of modern fantasy media to enjoy yourself to.

>>51515065
The world does agree with me, guy. No one refers to Final Fantasy 7 as modern fantasy.

Look: you want a fantasy setting. You asked about a modern fantasy setting, then got mad that someone explained to you that you don't want that.

That's just weird and dumb.

>>51515092
>No one refers to Final Fantasy 7 as modern fantasy.

They actually do, faggot.

>>51515092
>No one refers to Final Fantasy 7 as modern fantasy.
Then what the fuck is it?

>>51515109
That's incredibly, utterly untrue. I mean you can just google the term and every source from everywhere disagrees with you.

Modern fantasy refers to fiction in which you inject fantastical elements into the modern world.

Not fantasy worlds. Those worlds aren't modern fantasy. They're fantasy.

>>51515116
Fantasy.

>>51515092
>You asked about a modern fantasy setting, then got mad that someone explained to you that you don't want that.

What you are referring to is masquerade type of setting which is only a subset of the fantasy settings for either futuristic or modern.
And its a garbage trope used by incredible bad authors.
That's the truth.

>>51515131
You are still dreaming in your own bubble and deep well if you believe the rest of the world sharing your viewpoint.

>>51515135
Neil Gaiman, Neal Stephenson, JK Rowling, HG Wells, Robert Louis Stevenson, Isaac Asimov, China Mieville, Clive Barker...

They have all written modern fantasy. Which they defined the same way I'm defining it.

>>51515160
Guy: You're on the internet. You have access to google. Google the term "modern fantasy" and discover that you simply have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

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>they still care about genres

>>51515222
Well I can talk intelligently about them. There's nothing wrong with genre-fiction, especially when it comes to settings for RPGs where the trappings of a genre help bring a world to life because you don't need to say anything beyond "it's the elf people living in the forest" for everyone to be immediately comfortable envisioning that world. Sure: it's not great or original literature. But that's because it's not literature. It's a gaming world.

But I realize that you're OP and reverting to the "hahaha I was only pretending to be dumb the hole time XD" stance.

>>51515250
Nigga I'm the actual OP here and I haven't said a single word

>>51515183
>JK Rowling
>written modern fantasy
See, here's where your argument falls apart. I could just laugh at you for even putting Rowling in there in the first place, but I'll humor your definition. You say modern fantasy is defined by "today's challenges and realities", but literally 95% of the HP books involve a medieval castle and society with almost no interaction of the modern "muggle" world. You could set the books in the 1800s or earlier and it would change so very little in the setting. So what part of her books is "modern fantasy"? The fact that it's an extended journey through high school life? Don't think so.

>>51515374
>Harry Butthole Pussy Potter
>Medieval castle and society
You must be 18 to shiggy diggy

>>51514726
Do you remember when this one picture started up an effort to create a game around it?

>>51514776
So where'd you get your definition of modern? Because I've never seen that in any dictionary. Or with Google.

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>>51515577
I remember.

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>>51514776
Fuck off retard. Fantasy is just the impossible made probable, nothing more.

>>51515987
What was the game gonna be?
"Ocean Hentai Cat Girls: Wet Pussy Edition"

>>51516028
>Doesn't know CATastrophe

Lurk moar, newfag.

>>51515131
Retard alert.

There's two types of General fantasy. Primary world and secondary world.

Primary world fantasy is our own planet or a realistic world with the intrusion of fantastic elements.

Secondary world fantasy is a completely alien world.

The level of modernity is irrelevant aside from tech level.

>>51514726
Where the fuck do they get the meat for the burgers?

>>51517331
>IT BEGINS

Fridge.

>>51516060
You just made that up on the spot.

>>51518260
No he didn't. Those are the definitions of high and low fantasy in academia. The important part is that they're completely irrelevant to the discussion

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>>51514726 (OP) #
As modern as it wants, but verisimilitude should be preserved.
I am particularly fond of early contemporary period / slightly before.

You can have many fantasy elements while still having technology around. It does need some explaining, but it is all feasible.

>>51514726
Required Modern-ness factor= 1/2 Kitchensink Quotient + 1/2 Fantasy Index = (applying Kitchensink-Fantasy Tropes/Overall Interesting Characters)/2 + [1 for full high fantasy to -0,25 for dark fantasy]
Should this formular come out > one, you will have to get slightly futuristic to counterbalance the fantasy properly.
Have fun.

>>51518298
It's been a long, long time since I heard some purple-haired faggot say "Umm that's not the definition academia uses".

>>51518623
Okay I actually want to try this out

Exactly how do you count the kitchensink quotient, or the fantasy index?

>>51514726
>Modern Fantasy

Like Harry Potterisque Fantasy or Manapunk (Final Fantasy)?

>>51519747
Manapunk

I like 90s ish modern fantasy, when there was a sense of over enthusiasm for marketing and discovery but no internet or cell phones widely available. It helps keep the fantasy feeling urban legend ish, you can have everything and not have to explain it.

>>51519767
Eberron is considered "modern fantasy"?!

>>51514726
>should
Exactly like 1992, if you do anything else, you're doing it wrong. Everybody knows that, you can't make any other modern fantasy setting.

>>51519767
I was about to post this exactly.

>>51514726 (OP)

Adventure Time does it pretty well. They have whatever you want in a fantasy game, and they have TV, Cars and even Internet. And it's all consistent in-world.

IDK which is the secret to do it right, though.

>>51515992

Not that guy, but are you that same autist that insists sci-fi and fantasy can't overlap because you treat a single author's weak definition of the two as gospel?

>>51514726

You could set it up as if magic has only just returned to the world, so you have the normal modern development but with the magic in a new layer on top of it.

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>>51514726
>How "modern" should a Modern Fantasy setting be, especially when there's more fantasy than technology?

Elfpunk is as far as I would go.

>''Elfpunk is subgenre of urban fantasy in which traditional mythological creatures such as faeries and elves are transplanted from rural folklore into modern urban settings and has been seen in books since the 1980s including works such as 'War of the Oaks' by Emma Bull. 'Gossamer Axe' by Gael Baudino, and 'The Iron Dragons' Daughter' by Michael Swanwick. During the awards ceremony for the 2007 National Book Awards, judge Elizabeth Partridge expounded on the distinction between elfpunk and urban fantasy, citing fellow judge Scott Westerfeld's thoughts on the works of Holly Black who is considered "classic elfpunk—there's enough creatures already, and she's using them. Urban fantasy, though, can have some totally made-up f*cked-up [sic] creatures".[27]''

>>51521777
I dunno. It can break immersion if magical replacements for technological things are too easy to get (unless magic actually did recently return to the world) because why would they develop the machine if you can just say a few words y'know?

>>51514726
Depends on when magic was discovered. If magic was alway there, think about how that would have affected technological progress. If it were just discovered, imagine how some people would treat the people that can control it.

Only if we're allowed to take your shortstacks as our wives.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe

>>51514776
>>51515010
I'd argue that the Dresden Files were pretty good about this.

>>51515029

>not having cellphone masts in the astral to make talking to people on the outer planes easier
>not having better reception around recently dead bodies and zombies
>not embracing a setting with full necroteleplanarcommunication networks

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>>51514726
>How "modern" should a Modern Fantasy setting be, especially when there's more fantasy than technology?

Early 90's level. No internet used outside of military or business, cellphones only used for actual phone calls and not for texting or selfies.

Depends on if the magic is out and about or secret. If it's out, as much as you want. If it's secret, well, that depends on how far you can strain suspension of disbelief.

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Modern fantasy should be low magic, its a real thing but so rare in day to day life it is really a non-issue.

Magic would primarily be in the hands of governments, only organizations with enough capital to get a return. They'd be part of disaster relief, triple secret operator teams that operate operationally, and stuff like that.

Most countries would be homogeneous societies, with maybe one or two heterogeneous ones to break it up.

And fuck it, Atlantis is a thing. Part of the UN and everything.

>>51527829
>its a real thing but so rare in day to day life it is really a non-issue.
at that point there really is no point in having it be fantasy at all though

>>51527854
Do you run into professional athletes in day to day life or bleeding edge tech? No. But they're still around and relevant.

>>51527902

Rather then it being nearly non-existant it'd be like most sciences.

People generally talk about them and know of them but the same way you're not going to build a nuclear reactor in your back yard you're not going to be summoning your grandmother from the afterlife in your home either and if you do there are organizations that come knocking on your door to deal with you.

And none of it is secret either so things like charms to keep evil spirits away are sold in department stores and you have to get your grandfather's sword registered to see if it has any magic abilities and to make sure you have the proper liscenes to wield it.

>>51528341
>Rather then it being nearly non-existant it'd be like most sciences.
Which was kind of my point initially, never said that magic would be so rare that it would be nearly non-existant. Just not relevant to day to day life.

But I like your idea more, magic charms in gift shops and licenses to have magic stuff.