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/swg/ - Star Wars General - Non-Standard Astromech Edition

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Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
>http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB

Fantasy Flight Games’ Star Wars RPG System (EotE/AoR/FaD)
>http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
>https://mega.nz/#!DkNTDTyZ!PUupCOep4RmRcsgI3rNhU_Pk_xcyFbYWnhrq8gwrVv0

Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault, Star Wars: Destiny and the Star Wars LCG)
>http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yN

Fantasy Flight Games Dice App (Works with X-Wing, Armada, the Star Wars RPG system and Imperial Assault)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk

Older Star Wars Tabletop (d6, d20/Saga, etc.)
>http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ

Reference Materials & Misc. Resources
>http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin

All Canon Novels and Comics (via /co/)
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!2R5kDTqQ!WfrDla-jvDIn05U57T9hhQ

Just What IS Canon Anyways?
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

The Clone Wars Viewing Guide
>http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png

Writefaggotry
>http://pastebin.com/cJY5FK9T

Shipfag's hangar
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing

HoTAC
>http://dockingbay416.com/campaign
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>>51514204
That is a pretty sweet astromech, where is it from?

Additionally: what is the best way to run a FFG star wars campain online?
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>>51514204
Q9 is pretty cool
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>>51514251

Discord
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>>51514251
If you shekel up you can use a Roll20 API with all the fancy dice. It's not pricey at all, especially if you divide the cost by the players.
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>>51514251

Discord and Roll 20.

You need to sub for the dice roller, but its like 10 shekels
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>>51514364

Do individual players have to chip in?
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>>51514377
No, only the GM.
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>>51514377
No, but it helps
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Is there a reason why hyperspace computers in SW need to be in autonomous droid bodies? What's the advantage? Seems inefficient and in the X-wing, too exposed to getting shot.
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>>51514386
Excellent

>>51514399
Greedy astromech companies making deals with starfighter manufacturing?
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>>51514327
that looks like it's going to take off at any moment
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>>51514413
>>51514399
Legends Incom tried making X-wings that had regular computers in place of astromechs. Turns out that shit became too easy to sabotage. Turns out astromechs work wonders as car alarms, in additon to all the stuff they can already do.
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>>51514399
They don't NEED to be, the Falcon doesn't use one, but astromechs are veritable Swiss army knives of star wars droids and they can be good companions as well.
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>>51514399
To sell toys
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>>51514399
because droids are magically more awesome than non-droid computers.
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>>51514443
Q9 loved self-improvement.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Q9-X2
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Quick Armada question.

A friend of mine was kind enough to give me some turbolaser reroute circuit promos, would using them on a arquitens in conjunction with Needa to have the option of keeping a second evade freed up or using the reroute on both attacks be a good idea or is it overkill? For reference I'm running Tagge. I can also post the full fleet list if it helps.

While I'm asking what are you anons currently running and what are your local metas like?
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Stuck on my next encounter for my AoR group, anons. They've just made contact with a cantina owner who needs them to find and liberate a prison, but I need an organic way for them to get some info about the prison.

Stormtrooper defector? Slicer? Give it your best shot.
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>>51514619
It's a bar. Make a minigame about getting some drunk troopers to tell you info.
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>>51514619
Kidnap and hack an imperial information droid.
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>>51514458
Hmmm. I remember seeing astromech droids in the Deathstar or at least the Stormtroopers seems ok with R2's presence. But I never see the Imperials actually using the astromechs in spacecrafts.
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>>51515139
that would increase the price
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>>51515139
They use some in Rebels. There's also http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R2-Q5
They just don't need them for TIEs since they aren't hyperspace capable.
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>>51514204
Best girl reporting in
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>>51514612
is that a banking clan frigate in that pic (top right)?
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>>51514399
There's a ship modification in one of the supplements that is essentially a droid brain devoted to astrogation.
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>>51514612
TRC+Needa wouldn't be a bad idea if you think you'll be able to keep your Arquitens at long range (which is easier for a broadside ship than something like the Nebulon-B).
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>>51515139
Also R5 units. Once again on the Deathstar Source: Wookipedia http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-series_astromech_droid?file=R5astromechs_btm.jpg

And probably R1 units. They are painted black which screams Imperials. Though I have no source on that.
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Hutt Jedi are badass af
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>>51515578
Yeah, I believe so.

>>51515739
Thats the plan, to take up a flank and run down it. That way it can prey on targets of opportunity, assist the ISD, and intercept light craft that want to try and get at the ISD's rear on whichever flank its posted on. Or at least thats what I hope.
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>>51514619

Defector is the opposite of organic, too coincidence-y. Slicer would work i guess

If you wanted info about a prison irl you would talk to someone involved in the law, law enforcement, or a criminal/ex-prisoner
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>>51514251
My group uses fantasy grounds with the EotE mod
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>>51515863
>even bothering with lightsaber combat

How the hell is that Hutt supposed to protect the 70% of its body out of reach of the lightsaber?
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So I'm thinking about running a Star Wars campaign but I can't decide which to run. AoR, FaD, EotE, or something else entirely? My players are most interested in running an Imperials game but which books should I use for that? Thanks in advance
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>>51516352
EotE, AoR, and F&D all use compatible rule sets, so you could play force sensitive smugglers working with the rebellion or imperial inquisitor bounty hunters or whatever mix you want. I don't have much experience with force sensitives in a party but from what I understand by the time they've invested in picking up and throwing particularly big objects or whatever force powers they choose the rest of the party will be doing pretty heroic things as well.
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>>51516352
The EotE and AoR classes could all work. F&D classes are all for force-sensitives, and they aren't overpowered compared to regular pcs (gadgeteers are probably still the best spec in any of the 3 lines, and bounty hunters can follow it up with the very strong assassin spec).

The most broken thing in the game is using jury rigged to reduce the cost of activating auto fire from 2 advantage to 1, and the second is probably the doctors pressure point talent. Force powers are good, but very exp-intensive.

Credible arguments have been made for both Obligation and Duty in an imperial game. There is a fan-created imperial duty table in the pastebin which you might find helpful.
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>>51516352
If you're fine with older games you could run WEG D6, 1e works well for a pick up & play game and 2e Revised is pretty good too. Good Sourcebooks for things and stuffs.
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>>51514327
SPACE POPE!
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Hey, I was having a look at the Star Wars Roleplaying Game page on 1d4chan and saw the "end qualities" and "end damage" table for lightsaber crystals. I can't find any mention of this in the index. Do any of you guys know what this means? cos some of the benefits seem pretty cool.
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Fractal's Ton-Falk carrier looks pretty neat
Its like a big pregnant goldfish for all of Raith's baby's
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>>51517140
You can essentially 'mod' the lightsabre after you build it, so they're like little upgrades you can get to that particular crystal (pg 195 crb)
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>>51514644
>>51514667
>>51516085

Forgot to add: ISB Sector Chief is using it as her own private prison. SO security clearances etc. needed to be a guard there.

It's also 2 GR-75's connected and hidden in an asteroid belt, if that helps.
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>>51516586
Gadgeteer/outlaw tech with a jury rigged light repeater is broken as shit.
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EPT for Vader? Predator seems good, but would his dial work with Expertise? I'm thinking something like:

Darth Vader
Expertise, Title, Computer, Engine Upgrade

"Quickdraw"
Predator, Title, Fire Control, Lightweight Frame

Omega Leader
Juke, Comms Array
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>>51517375
I like this idea.
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>>51514204
Anyone created a villain for there FFG campaign using the inquisitor rule in FaD? How did it work out vs a Rebel or Scum party?

I have no force users in my group but they have over 100 obligation, 70 points of it are directly related to the empire. The closest thing I have to a big bad is an ISB agent who has risen through the ranks and knows one PC (obsessed with artifacts and antiques) has a holocron.

Is it in character to send a combat-monkey Inquisitor to hunt them down at the behest of the ISB agent? Is that too dickish/punishing/ That DM to do?
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>>51517787

I'm quite proud of it. If they capture it, it means they can add a transport flotilla to their growing fleet, as I'm using armada for fleet combat.
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>>51517984
>Is it in character to send a combat-monkey Inquisitor to hunt them down at the behest of the ISB agent? Is that too dickish/punishing/ That DM to do?
Use a pair; one combat monkey one more detective-y. Start with just one probing their area after reports of possible Jedi activity. If they jump on them to fight, have them jet and come back with the second. If they run, have the two chase them.
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>>51517775

AccCorrector and Ruthlessness for OT Prime Vader
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>>51517984
I feel Inquisitors would only be sent if Imperials believe that a Jedi is involved. So far, they only know that they have a holocron, which is useless without the Force. More mundane force would be the most reasonable Imperial response, unless they know that the holocron contains information that could threaten the Empire.
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>>51514619
Logistics. Who's bringing the space prison food, water, new prisoners, rotating guards, etc.? Odds are it's not the Empire's best and brightest. Even if it is above the usual transport shuttle pilot, it is probably routine enough to establish a pattern and possibly determine a way in. If it's the pride and joy of the sector chief, there will be inspections to show it off.
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>>51517984
>>51518136
And Palps wouldn't want to risk inquisitors taking a peek.
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>>51518153
>If it's the pride and joy of the sector chief, there will be inspections to show it off.

That's the thing. She's ambitious and ruthless, but she also keeps secrets because she's afraid of looking bad at all.

She legitimately will not call in inquisitors because word might get out that she's lost control of the situation.
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>>51516324
He's very fast and can afford to lose the tail if he REALLY fucks up.

>>51517145
Why does he have two sized guns? The Ton Falk has no turbolasers.
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>>51517632
Jury rigged Heavy rifle with Augmented spin barrel is better in every way. (WHY can't Light repeaters get the augmented spin barrel anyway?)
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>>51517375
Would the ISB really use two outdated clamshells full of modular containers as a prison?

Not very imperial feeling.

On the other hand they can literally steal the ENTIRE prison which is metal as fuck.
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>>51518852
None of it is authorised It's where the sector chief goes to hide any seditious elements so that if COMPNOR come sniffing she can go "Nope, no rebels here. I'm doing a good job."

It also helps she's using Rebel ships against them
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Are the Selkath ever brought up again outside of KOTOR? I wanna do an aquatic plot arc and don't wanna do Kamino or Mon Cal.
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>>51519074
Not in nucanon yet
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>>51519074
What about Selonia?
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>>51519105
>aquatic
>posts a species that lives in caves

anon...
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>>51519101

What about in Legends?

>>51519105

What is that art from?
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>>51519074
I think they fell back into being a backwater after Bacta was invented. There are a couple bounty hunters from there in the Clone Wars.
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it's occured to me that expertise is really useful for anything woth advanced proton Torpedoes.
Could Major ryhmer with APT, expertise and extra Munitions be worth the 38 points for 2 turns of near guaranteed 5 dmage attacks at range 2
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>>51519074
>>51519101
They appear several times in the Clone Wars. They're perfectly canon.
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>>51519119
IIRC Selonians live in tunnels under a planet surface covered in oceans.

They're space otters, and otters are aquatic mammals right?
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>>51519074
Do Naboo.
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>>51519196
Probs need engine upgrade and long range scanners
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How long do we usually need to wait for scans in the post Neuromaniac world? No Disintegrations is in people's hands now.
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>>51515139

Imperial fighters dont have hyperdrive so that's a non-issue for them.
Their larger ships have more dedicated hyperdrive navicomps so it's not a big deal. They do use R5 units though, just not for astrogation purposes.
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>>51516977
>Lock Pads are dropped when drod is stopped
>drod
I don't know why but i'm finding this typo way too funny
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>>51519830
It can't have both, no real need for LRS anyway though. At PS7 ryhmer doesn't have as much issues with getting locks the regular way.
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>>51520515
Right you are. You're going to struggle to get something locked and in arc at R1 without it, though.
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>>51514204
>Doubles as a printer.
In all honesty, it would probably be very useful when fighting imperial bureaucracy.
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>>51520528
Without the engine upgrade? Yeah probably.

Though thats part of the point of doing it with ryhmer, his advanced protons are range 1-2.
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>>51520658

Oh right. Forgot that.

Actually, does Snap Shot work at Range 2 for Rhymer?
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>>51514204

What model of Astromech is that?
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>>51520533
But there's no paper in Star Wars
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>>51520704
Damn, you're right. Don't they have ID cards, licences and wanted/propaganda posters, though.
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>>51520704
Not in Legends.
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>>51520533
True, reminds me of those free standing gronky office printers
Probably make a line of droids that look just like them
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>>51520938
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Paper/Legends
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Players are currently the target of two different Imperial investigations; one from Imperial Intelligence, due to some weapon R&D info they inadvertently stole, and one from the Inquisitorius, for killing an Inquisitor in the past and leaving a body covered in lightsaber wounds.

If the two organisations managed to connect the dots that they're targeting the same group, do you think they'd consolidate resources? Would an Inquisitor just commandeer the entire operation, or would they work cooperatively?
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>>51516352
Try an adventure for each and see what fits.
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>>51520693

Yeah
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>>51521740
In Rebels S1, the Grand Inquisitor pretty much had command over ISB agent Kallus.
So it really depends on ranks, I'd say. Or they could just do a joint operation, but I don't know enough about the military to say how that would work.
Whatever makes a better story is what you should be going for anyway.
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>>51520704
It's not that their is no paper in Star Wars, it's just that paper is obsolete in Star Wars.
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>>51522011
>dubs of truth
the OT had little/no paper even in a backwater like tatooine
the Death star had tiny microcomputers at each chair of the conference table
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>>51521740
Knowing Star War? they'd both try to one up eachother trying to get control, and cock it up allowing the target to escape, then switch to full "it was the other guy's fault" mode.
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>>51520704
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flimsiplast
kind of paper.. or plastic, whatever.
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How do you guys allocate credits? Almost every single session my players argue about how to spend the credits and I end up having to spend the credits for them. Its doesnt seem right and I would rather my players be able to spend the reward how they see fit.
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>>51522930
Give each group member an equal cut of the pay.
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>>51522930
In AoR, the commander divides them amongst the party, thankfully the leader of the group is a mature guy with legitimate charisma and leadership qualities in and out of character so there's rarely issues.

In EotE though, cuts are arranged as part of the job, but in spite of that they are usually allocated by gunfight. That group has a very high PC turnover rate.
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>>51522930
My players have agreed to divide everything according to number of players plus one, for a generic party fund. This applies to all or games and works out pretty well.
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>>51514612

My current meta is in XI7 hell. San Antonio meta is hyper-fucking-competitive and sent Justin-fucking-Curtis to the final table last year. I'm one of the worst players in the group, though. Been having some success with double turbolaser turrets on a Paragon AFII, mainly because it isn't expected.
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>>51520696
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/S19_astromech_droid
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>>51522930
My players split credits from jobs evenly, and then if they personally have any excess they don't have an immediate need for, they'll often dump it in the group bank, which is where they stockpile money for big group expenses like ships.

They also have regular income from a cantina they own, which gets divided up between the group fund and paying the NPCs they keep around.
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>>51520307

We wait until we go out and buy a copy of the book, while complaining at people for providing low quality scans/pictures of pages.
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>>51516977
Someone needs to spurdo that one at the bottom.
>tie fighters o fuggg >:DDDDD
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New X-Wing Wave today, right?
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>>51524205
ffg site says so.
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>>51523895
Not the worst thing I've done in my life, but definitely one of the lowest...
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>>51514251
Tabletop Simulator
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>>51517140

Qualities with the maximum modifications on the crystal. Alternate ones seem pretty straight-upgrade at first, but Illum is one of the strongest overall. That and Krayt Dragon.
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Picked up the quadjumper last night and thought of this little fucker http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!230:96,224,127,203,145:-1:1:&sn=Shenanigan%20Bomber
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I'm gearing up to run a high-difficulty AoR game set between 1-2 ABY where the overall mission is a hit-job on Emperor Palpatine himself. In the interests of not fucking with any continuity, it will be a cloned body double, but even the death of a body double has value in the overall war effort.

In our last Force and Destiny campaign, the city of Iziz (Onderon) got glassed because a very foolish PC thought that handing over evidence of Jedi involvement to the local Moff was a good idea. Before the fall, an NPC (pictured) stole data from the Imperial-controlled Royal Palace so she could give it to the Rebel Alliance in exchange for protection.

My idea is that this data should be what kicks off the plot of a rogue Rebel cell to try to knock off the Emperor. The thing I'm stuck at: What does the data say?
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>>51524613
>What does the data say
Video of the Emperor giving Dooku the hyperspace coordinates used during the Battler over Coruscant
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>>51524613
A leaked cipher of ImpInt code language, as well as a treasure trove of e-mails and comm traffic transcripts which point to Palps' travel plans or a potential weak point in the Imperial Palace's security.
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>>51524613
>cloned body double
Why don't you make it some High Up Imperial instead.

If I were a player in that game, I might feel a bit cheated.
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>>51524798
The Empire would see the death of the Emperor's body double as a great Rebel Alliance propaganda/recruitment tool. Anyone who witnessed this will be terminated.
I'm making sure this doesn't feel like a wasted effort on the part of the players.

>>51524716
>>51524762
Interesting suggestions. Maybe I'm being thick, but I'm not seeing how intel for a 20 year old battle would spark someone to say "Hey, let's assassinate Palpatine!"


Also thinking of incorporating bits from the Darth Plagueis novel.
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>>51524878
Perhaps evidence of a plotted coup by other high Imperial officials against Palpatine, with the Rebel cell planning to assist/piggyback off of those plans?
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>>51524613
>My idea is that this data should be what kicks off the plot of a rogue Rebel cell to try to knock off the Emperor. The thing I'm stuck at: What does the data say?
Information that allows them to get a shot at assassinating the Emperor, or maybe something about him having access to ancient artificacts. Evil artifacts, not Sith particularly but maybe Sith.
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>>51524878
The hyperspace route is very secret and unguarded. It would allow a group of would be assassins to sneak into courusant space unnoticed.
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>>51525190
Aha! That's actually pretty brilliant!
Weirdly, I was imagining the actual hit-job occurring on Palpatine's homeworld of Naboo, but this is waaaaay better.

Pic is the leader of the Jedi group from the FnD campaign. Killed from Vader-induced Force choke slam into a concrete wall. Unrelated, I just wanted to share that.
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>>51518852
I disagree, this feels sufficiently Imperial. It's like the trope of locking a man up in a shipping container in a dockyard, except the dockyard is aboard a spaceship and floating in an asteroid belt.
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>>51525397
It's like a slightly more cost-efficient Lusankya.
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>>51519074
Do Selkath, but if the players are visiting Manaan, make it polluted and full of crime - none of the pristine bullshit of KotOR. The planet fell on hard times a millennium ago when the going rate for their primary export was slashed, and since then it's morphed into an aquatic shithole. And that was before the Empire came.

Now the once-gleaming floating cities are dotted with slap-dash industrial construction that the infrastructure wasn't designed to support. Partially-flooded compartments are common, when the pumps stop working, get clogged, or are stolen for scrap parts by the locals. Waste is prevalent and pumped right back into the oceans. Many of the Selkath are sick from these conditions.

And in this undercurrent poverty and outrage, violence has erupted. Gangs have sprouted up in the cramped residential neighborhoods, thriving in this uncertain age. Young Selkath no longer grow up wanting to be merchants or Jedi, but instead crime lords or bounty hunters.
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>>51525555
DUDE
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>>51514399
>>51514476
>They don't NEED to be, the Falcon doesn't use one,
Millenium Falcon's hyperspace computer knew the ship had been tampered with but nobody would listen to it (or C3PO) when it told R2 and R2 told C3PO after they left the death star.

Must be frustrating to be sapient and literally nobody on the ship can hear you speak and the one time you do find something that can talk to you and you have something critically urgent to say the "captain" just walks off and ignores the advice.

Why hasn't the star wars universe had a robot/AI apocalypse?
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>>51525973
Restraining bolts and regular memory wipes.
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>>51525973
>Why hasn't the star wars universe had a robot/AI apocalypse?
There was an entire trilogy about that.
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>>51525973
To be fair, the Millennium Falcon has like... three droid brains, that all argue with each other, all the time. So I'm guessing that Han, early on, got frustrated with receiving contradictory information and now entirely ignores it.
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>>51526057
The CIS just used droid armies, the droids themselves didn't rebel.
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>>51525973
Because IG-88 blew up with the death star 2 and his plans of droid uprising died with him.
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>>51525973
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47
>HK-47 assembled an army of AK-1A "Hammer", AK-3 "Reaper", GK-5, and HK-77 droids in order to destroy all organics on Mustafar.
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>>51525973
>>51526201
>>51526218
Also, this. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Droid_Revolution
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>>51526057
In the Old Republic game I'm running the world that the party is now using as their base has currently ground to a halt under the newly awakened droid rights movement.

droid rights droid rights droid rights
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>>51525316
It can also be used to show that Palpatine was directing Dooku during the war, further getting allies to the rebel side from former republic and cis forces
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>>51526239
meant to link >>51525973
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>>51525555
Fuck off edgy cunt
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>>51526486
I mean, his idea is a bit dark, but I don't think that edgy would be the right word. It's also not totally unreasonable for a world whose primary export has been replaced by something in the galactic market to fall on hard times.
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>>51526526
Well, Legends had it that the Selkath just abandoned Ahto City to live out their lives peacefully. Ahto City was for the benefit of non-aquatic visitors after all.
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Anyone have a picture/want to transcribe the Mandalorian Armor sidebar in No Disintegrations?

Have a link to my compiled list of (maybe) every way to spend Advantages/Threat in FFG's system, up until No Disintegrations, as payment.

https://mega.nz/#!5xEB1IaL!CdnpN8RZXlcUrJs48eBN3-Lk256l7cMsxvNJdCETTwY
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>>51526486
The funny thing is that your post is way edgier then his.
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>>51526611
My GM got the book, he says it's 1 defense, 2 soak, 5 hardpoints.
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>>51526659
I have the stats. It's the sidebar with how Mandalorians customize their armor that I'm interested in.
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>>51526769
Oh, sorry. I'll ask him to scan it or take some pictures when he gets off work, but no promises.
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>>51524613
>>51524878

You could just have the fact that there's a clone be reason enough.
Like, the Rebellion's ultimate goal is to remove Palpatine - perhaps this cell discover intel about a clone being developed on Coruscant, and they take it upon themselves to destroy the clone and the facility working to create him.
They know that if the Emperor dies and a clone can just take his place, this war will never end.

For the bigger nerds in the group, their party's actions could be the reason that the clone tech was locked away on Wayland - hidden away where no one would find it, after the original project was destroyed by their Rebels.
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Anyone have the talent tree for martial artist for no disintegration
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What's the sitch on Ord Mantell after the Battle of Yavin? Is it strictly Imperial, is it a bit loosey goosey/autonomous?

>>51527260
I think there's a proper leak of all the trees on /r/swrpg.
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>>51525316

My PC is a Rodian Female Psuedo-Jedi. I hope she doesn't die via Chokeslam.
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>>51527379
Its Imperial controlled though smugglers still run free. I'm not seeing any talent trees
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>>51527456
https://www.reddit.com/r/swrpg/comments/5r187z/no_disintegrations_spoilers/
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How the fuck do you store the Upsilon?
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>>51527260
>>51527379
>>51527540
No Disintegrations was a fucking joke. Fucking two new species and one is a fucking literal who unless you read a shitty comic. The new specs are boring garbage except for MA which just seems like a marauder extension than a new spec. No cool new weapons or upgrades infact the only new thing that was decent was fleshing out bounties and payments. Zero substance is what FFG has been showing. At this rate new soldier book will be garbage as well.
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>>51527942
>one is a fucking literal who unless you read a shitty comic

bait
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>>51527871
I guess you could cut off and magnetise the wings. Otherwise with a big box.
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>>51527963
How the fuck is what I said bait? The Kalleran are not in any other star wars media except for that lame ass kanan comic. If that isn't the definition of literal who I don't know what is. There are still alot of better species they could have put in.
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>tfw still no playable Ewoks in FFG
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My group wants to try Star Wars. Which FFG system should we use?

We're mostly newish to roleplaying. Most of us don't know anything about star wars but the movies, except that I've played a lot of the games. One guy has read a lot of the books, although I don't know what counts as a lot since I think there's about a trillion books.

We don't particularly care about what is or isn't Disney canon or whatever, if that matters.
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>>51528080
What's wrong with the unofficial menagerie?
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>>51528059
Because star wars trpgs have been detailing the literal who races for decades. You wouldn't have those "better species" if it wasn't for that. Also the Kanan comic wasn't lame at all. You seem salty as fuck.
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>>51528098
See >>51516384
>>51516586
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>>51528098
Edge of the Empire is probably the broadest in terms of themes and plot hooks the party can use.
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>>51528140
Why would I not be salty when one of the greatest and most beloved EU characters off all time was replaced by a boring two dimensional faggot from a shitty kids show.
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>>51528133
There's a certain feeling of vindication you get when something you like gains official status. On a sort-of-related note, it would also be really funny if /swg/'s in-jokes and favorite silly Legends bits popped up in FFG publications, sort of like how Love Can Bloom and Adept Grendel got nods in FFG's 40k RPGs.
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>>51528292
>implying they're not going to recanonise him at some point
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>>51528292
We need only wait until EA's exclusivity deal ends. Then comes the age of Bethesda and id.
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What's are the smallest FFG statted Star Destroyer classes?

I want to have my party's Nemesis be in command of a single Destroyer, but don't want it to be mega huge.
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>>51528393
Vigil class corvette
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>>51528393
there is the imperial raider
not actually a star-destroyer, but it looks like one
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>>51528393
Gladiator? You should go with a Raider for what you said though. It's iconically Imperial, while being primarily an anti-fighter/freighter strike vessel
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>>51528298
I'm sure one of the grognards in Story Group is at least aware of /swg/. Shit, there was a Mount Yoda reference in one of the Force & Destiny splats. I can't think of any other corner of the internet that unironically loves Jedi Prince as much as we do.

My guess is probably Leland Chee. Pablo seems more of a Twitter/Reddit guy.

If you're reading this, Make Sienar Fleet Systems insane again please.
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>>51528431
>>51528431
>>51528446
Thanks guys, I'll look into these.
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>>51528462
We'll know that /swg/ has won when Disney releases Jedi Prince-themed Christmas/Life Day cards.
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If Tarkin started gallivanting around the galaxy blasting heavily populated worlds that were rebel hotspots, how believable would it be to have entire ships, crew and all, start defecting from the Imperial Navy? In my campaign, the Rebels only managed to damage the Death Star rather than destroy it, and Yavin IV got fucked up by a single reactor blast, scattering the rebels and all that and forcing them back into hiding and hit-and-run strikes. So far, Mon Cala has already been destroyed, Ryloth has been fucked up, and there are rumors that Bothawui is not far down on the list. Last session, the party was trapped on Chandrila due to an Imperial blockade, and the Death Star fired a single reactor blast at the surface, while the blockade in space has orders to destroy any ship attempting to flee because Vader wanted Mon Mothma to watch her world die slowly. How unreasonable would it be to have a Star Destroyer in the blockade defect and aid escaping ships? I imagine most imperials didn't sign up for shit like this, but then again Star Destroyers have very large crews and It would be kinda weird for them to immediately be OK with committing treason.

The captain of the ship that I was planning for this to happen to is an Alderaanian who was in denial about the Empire's involvement in the destruction of Alderaan, so it would make sense for him I guess, but the only way I can see myself having his crew go along with him is if most of them were Alderaanians, or if he was just very popular.
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>>51528462
Pablo admits he dislikes Reddit and their insanity.

He was a little confused when they created a subreddit just for his quotes - /r/thesupremepablo

Twitter certainly seems to be his social media of choice, but he's yet to prove or disprove anything about going to other sites.
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>>51528551
I don't think it'd be unreasonable, but it does have to be subtle for the situation you're describing.

Have the captain say they have orders to fire warning shots instead of proper shooting down ships. If Imp Command ask, they simply shrug and say "Oops, I'll get them next time" or "I got conflicting orders from another ship".

Also, maybe having the captain murder the ISB Commissar on the bridge if *he* starts making a fuss puts the crew in their place.
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>>51528292
I like Kyle and all but you're kidding yourself if you're pretending he's not more two-dimensional than Kanan.
He's also more Rahm Kota/general Zatoichi archetype at this point anywhere, there's very little Kyle similarities left minus aesthetic and sword choices.
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>>51528729
And let's be honest here, Kyle Katarn doesn't need to be that deep of a character to be cool. He primarily does two things: rip and tear. And he is loved precisely because he does those two things exceedingly, comically well.
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Just got into X-wing and I don't have a ton of ships/cards but I'm interested in making a decent starter build. I have interest in playing the Scummy bois btw. Thanks in advance
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>>51528462

I dunno, Pablo loves Jedi Prince about as much as we do.
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>>51524613
>what does the data say?
Wedge Antilles hops on one transparisteel leg.
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>>51518900
Not finding rebels would put her under further scrutiny. Everybody else in the Empire has to deal with rebels. If you have a sector that doesn't frequently capture rebels, one explanation that is going to pop into the head of any imperial checking on her situation is that she is a rebel collaborator.
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>>51528551
For the ship to defect with its captain the crew must place their loyalty to the captain before their loyalty to the Empire. If the captain is charismatic and the ship has gone on an extended mission, such a situation might have developed naturally. Has the captain, the ship or the crew been mistreated by the Empire (factually or just in the eyes of the crew)? Is he a capable officer wasted on some low-prestige assignment?

To have a good chance at success I would imagine the captain would need time to talk to his crew. Before mutiny the captain should talk to all of the key people on the ship and either convert them to his side, or have them replaced. He might also make subtle reference to the current situation (blowing up worlds they signed up to protect), to drive a wedge between the crew and the Emperor.

The big moment in a mutiny like this is when the captain proclaims his intentions to his crew. If the crew don't support him, he is fucked. Even if Joe Trooper stands with him, the whole thing might still be undone by loyalists storming the bridge or blowing up something irreplaceable in engineering.

The blasting of a Core world with the Death Star might well be the emotional moment the captain has been waiting for to get his crew to revolt. Maybe it is the moment he himself needs to finally push him over the edge to treason.
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>>51529233
Its the very, very early days of the Rebellion (~15BBY) and she has found some rebels and shipped them off. She just likes keeping the ones she has so that she can find more
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never played a sw rpg before so what do you guys recommend?
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>>51529876
Force and Destiny since its the best sw rpg ever made.
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>>51529876
Do you like Han/Chewie/Lando Friends forever Smuggler adventures? Edge of the Empire

Do you like Rebel Shenanigans? Age of Rebellion

DO you like Space Wizard Warrior Monks? Force and Destiny

or WEG D6 if you're an oldfag
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>>51529876
The WEG stuff I've heard good things about, but I've never actually touched. I like Saga Edition, but it's kind of nutty if you mix up Jedi with non-Jedi. The FFG stuff is really great and I like that they managed to balance out Force users.
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>>51529918
>>51529934
Thanks guys
>>51529951
>WEG
Is it complicated for new players? I think my friend said something about wanting to play as stormtrooper too
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>>51529212
That bastard
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In OggDude's GMTool thing, what does "Power Level" mean when creating Nemeses?
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>TPM comes out
>people like it for a time, but quickly realize it's butt
>Then TFA comes out
>people like it for a time, but quickly realize it's butt
>people start saying that TPM is good
So does that mean when the sequel-sequel trilogy comes out, people will start saying TFA was good?
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>>51524613
>In the interests of not fucking with any continuity
Who the fuck caaaaaaaaares?
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>>51530047
He obviously does
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>>51530047
He does Mr. Redditor
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>>51529986
>Is it complicated for new players?
It's dirt simple, much more so than FFG
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>>51520483
Hallo, pls no push drod. Drod is a sad.
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>>51530029
Remember, nothing is more important on 4chan than being cool, and anons find nothing cooler than being contrarian.
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>>51530067
>>51530100
I'll just never understand the sentiment. It's a tabletop game, why not let your players get the satisfaction of pulling off something near-impossible and see the effects their actions have on the universe?

I know as a player I wouldn't find the idea of a universe I can't tangibly impact to be very appealing. It's not exactly difficult to figure out how things would unfold if events played out differently to the movies.
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>>51530029
This is /tg/, and the Star Wars thread on /tg/.

Nobody will ever agree on anything.
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Why would you torture a robot?
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>>51530138

Maybe these players like to weave their own story around what happens in some films they love?
So changing it completely stops it being what theyre after.

Saying "who fucking cares" when obviously that guy and his players care is a pretty retarded reaction, anon.
You like changing the setting, other people dont.
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>>51530138
This. If my players are metagaming and just being like "hurr durr I'm gonna go kill luke on tatooine" that would piss me off because it's not compelling. But if your players do something cool that affects the universe, embrace it.
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>>51530162
Too lazy or to incompetent to reprogram them.

Or you lost the adapter and can't mind wipe them.

Or they fucked up, and you want them to suffer before they die/get wiped.

Or you're just a sadistic bastard.

Or it's just setting dressing and has no deeper meaning.
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>>51530001
It's a way to compare their power to the power of your players so you don't accidentally blow out your non-combat party or something.
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>>51530140
[WHOA HOOOOOOO intensifies]
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>>51530029

It's way easier to say "It's shit" than "I enjoyed it but I wish it had done more to change the universe" or some other more nuanced opinion. Plus not liking something popular because it is popular clearly shows that you are a discerning man of taste who only likes high quality art, and not a dirty pleb
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>>51530162
Pulling information from droid's brains isn't as simple as you'd think, they don't record everything they see or anything like that. It needs sophisticated equipment and even then takes a lot of time and energy to get incomplete results.

Often easier to just make them talk.
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>>51530170
Then why tell a story that doesn't matter on purpose? For example the players mission could be to find secret info about palpatine to discredit him, or maybe they need to murder a high rank chancellor or other big wig that they make up. If someone is really a no headcanon allowed for their games, why tell a story that involves main characters so closely? It will just make players feel like it's a railroad ride with no consequences
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>>51530284
Stories that exist within other stories don't automatically have no value, the fucking hobbit is a story inside a larger story and it's still compelling because of the way things are done, there's no reason the same wouldn't be true of rpgs.
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>>51530284

That's why he was asking for good reasons and consequences for the mission he wanted his party to run, anon.

Killing a clone of the emperor could've set off all sorts of shit in the films - perhaps that's why Palpy was at the Death Star, since his clone could keep things pinned down on Corsucant.
However, this insertion team murdered the one in the Imperial Palace, whilst the fleet destroyed the second Death Star.

You dont have to have them actively change the story of the films to have a story that 'matters'. Just weave it into the story of the films.
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>>51530334
The problem is, from where I'm sitting, PC agency.

It's tricky to /ensure/ that the PCs won't take actions that would affect the story of the films without artificially limiting their options.

I'd just accept that it might happen and move on. If it turns out that the battle of Endor goes /really/ badly for the Rebels... well, time to start improvising. You're a GM, not a narrator.
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>>51523173
well it at least sounds like a fun sort of hell
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>>51530387

Again, that's true, but you dont have to have them be a central part of the film events to still be doign something that 'matters'.
Equally, you dont have to headcanon the films to have something that matters. It's really easy to come up with something outside that which is important.

Like, 'artificially limiting their options' is one thing, but at the same time, why would a party of random shitters be doing something important enough to affect the outcome of Endor?
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>>51530387
>>51530450

Managed to delete a line due to being a retard;
The point isnt to be Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, it's to be other characters with their own storyline.
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>>51530450
The party of random shitters that the films focused on seemed to do pretty well for themselves.
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>As a wee lad at my first DND game, the super cool DM had always given the players one wish where they could make anything they want happen to change the game
>SO COOL! I decide to do that for all my games in the future, without considering consequences of changing genres
>People in past had used that to find inner strength to heal everyone in the party with the force, or have a rope break at just the right moment to keep them from being dragged to death by a foe
>Be GM finishing up a late Clone Wars era campaign about Jedis doing Jedi things while at college
>Last mission is adapted version of Palps getting kidnapped and taken to the separatist flag ship from the OG clone wars show
>He gets grabbed, but players realize halfway through that he's an evil shitbag, and give chase to try to murder him on the flagship
>There's a big fight, party prepares to fight Dooku before Obi-Wan and Anakin arrive
>One players knows it's the last session
>Wishes for Yuzzhan Vong worldship to show up 50 years early in the middle of the battle of Corusant.
>mfw

All this killing palps talk reminded me of this
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>>51530140
I don't get it, who are those other droids?
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>>51530543
Comic where C3PO gets his new arm. All his fellow droids in arms die, and he realizes he's already a demon
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>>51514204

Playing Age of Rebellion for the first time this weekend. What's a good build for a Solid Snake/Big Boss-esque character? Not a 1:1 copy, just someone with a good mix of combat and stealth skills (maybe with a bit of survival and tactical knowledge on the side).
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>>51530698
Trailblazer Soldier would be a decent start.
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>>51530029
TPM is easy to see good parts of because it world built. Tatooine isn't just a desert with moisture farmers, a hutt, and a cantina after TMP. It's got cities, a sports arena, etc. We see Coruscant for the first time in it, as well. TFA didn't really ADD anything besides a new look for astromechs and a TIE with a rear gunner. Maybe it will be redeemed by its later movies, but so far it's just a rerun.
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>>51530698
Don't listen to this >>51530805 noob. I would start with commando/sharpshooter than cross class into spy infiltrator.
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>>51530473
Luke had the dynasty of the jedi, Solo was a really good rouge and Leia was literal royalty, with 3PO and R2 tagging along because of the royal, they're hardly a bunch of average joes.
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>>51530805
>>51530851

>>51530698
To be fair, it's a bit of both. If you want Big Boss, Trailblazer has Ambush and Cunning Snare, where you can just make traps once a fight.

If you want Solid Snake, Commando/ Sharpshooter is where it's at. I'd probably go Assassin after though, as that's more sneaky, but if Twin Snakes was your shit definitely go Infiltrator and enjoy high octane melee dodging.
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The PCs are about to wander into a disreputable port town on the edge of the Empire. There are smugglers, thieves, and the usual not-Tatooine nonsense, but there are also ancient pumping fortresses (someone stole the oceans), salt pans, Force-sensitive monks, and glare. Lots of glare.

What is the Rebellion up on this world, and how can my PCs fuck it up, accidentally, for them?
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>>51531441
For reference, the PCs are:

A Twi'lek used starship saleswoman with no combat skills whatsoever. She's now the Captain.
A Hutt scavenger who happily bites the heads off stormtroopers.
A grizzled bounty hunter whose ex stole his ship, his armour, and his savings,
And a protocol droid familiar with over six million forms of murder.

And their ship is a hideous, barely flyable junkheap named Wanda.
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>>51531441
The Rebels are evacuating the monks, your PC's start the ocean/plants flowing again while they're evacuating from one of the lowpoints.
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>>51531441
The local crime lords are hosting a fuckhuge race at the salt flats. The Rebellion has sent a team to compete for some manner of strategically valuable prize.
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>>51531515
I like that. Turns out these giant machines weren't for transporting the ocean to orbit. They just compressed it. They really, really, really compressed it.

And /someone/ decided to turn them off while scavenging.
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Is there any canon of Rotta the Hutt past Clone Wars?

I'm making him an integral part of my campaign. He's a spoiled, space vaping, douchy dude who's gonna give my players a bunch of jobs to compete with his dad on Tatooine.
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>>51531596
>"If we win this race, we'll not only win the parts required to repair our ship, but we'll also free this force-sensitive, extremely annoying child from his picturesque slavery."
>"A brilliant plan!"

Meanwhile, the PCs:

>"So if we rig the race by sabotaging nearly everyone, and then bet all of our money on this guy... we'll have... more money?"
>"It's a brilliant plan!"
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>>51531646
At his age he wouldn't be of any real prominence in Hutt culture. They live for hundreds of years.
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>>51531723
>How hard could it be?
>Don't say that!
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>>51531646
Probably exploded.

You can see a little huttling in Jabba's cabin at the stern of the barge. I don't think he escaped.
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>>51531735
Well, he is Jabba's son. That has to come with some prestige.
>>51531776
Would he still be a baby by the time of Return of a Jedi? How long does it take a Hutt to reach adulthood?
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>>51531748
>"Ok, so there's a slight problem. We slept in and the race is going to start in ten minutes."
>"How many pods did we sabotage last night?"
>"Uuuh... one. No, wait. Zero."
>"Fuck. Ok, new plan. We steal a pod and do the sabotaging during the race."
>"With guns."
>"REALLY big guns."
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>>51531810
Centuries, apparently.

But there's always a chance he escaped...
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>>51531812

>"So I gotta have spare parts on this thing, right?"
>"Uhhh...I guess?"
>"Great, I grab one and toss it over my shoulder"
>"Uh-huh"
>"Oh, and there'd have to be an air intake which would suck the part in, wouldn't there?"
>"Oh for fucks sake guys"
>"Well it works, doesn't it?"
>"Yep, but the kids still fucking beating you and I'm shooting you with Tuskens up ahead."
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>>51531886
>"Master Yoda, we found the Chosen One."
>"Pleases me, this news does. Bring him to the temple, you must."
>"Well, see... we let him enter a very dangerous vehicle race. And he... he was sucked into a turbine. We lost our ship betting on the race. Well, I say 'our' ship. Our ship blew up during the negotiations. It was actually the child-queen's ship. She didn't know we bet it. ANYWAY, we're stuck here now and... Master Yoda? Master Yoda?"
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>>51531964
>"Right the Senate call for you to give your testimony about this blockade."
>"I give a fair and even testimony and....1 Success and, oh no, 7 threat."
>"Okay, the Federation start talking how fair nd legal their blockade is"
>"Are you serious?"
>"And your Senator friend says it'd be a good idea to start a vote of no-confidence."
>"Fuck it. Vote of no-confidence away."
>"Everyone seems happy with this and begins chanting Vote now. Oh, and your Senator is smiling from ear to ear."
>"Okay, well he seems like a nice guy. I can't see him screwing us over."
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>>51532142
>"Ok, there are 4 of us and one of him, right? And we all have lightsabers. And we're fucking Jedi. This is going to be easy."
>"Oh shit."
>"Was that... autistic screeching?"
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>>51532212
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>>51532235
I mean, I'd be surprised.
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>>51528798
Exactly, and I don't mind that at all.
While it may have been accurate for Rebels formative stages, the simple truth is Kanan and Kyle really don't have much in common anymore outside of initial inspiration, which I'm actually glad for.
>Captcha is "travis"
FUCKING MANDOFAGS GET OUT OF MY THREAD REE
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>>51531602
Alternative idea: They accidentally compress the water more and more, until the extreme pressures on the water create nuclear fusion. Essentially, they accidentally make a very small star.
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Norra Wexley got official art before Thane Kyrell did.

Also this poster would've been great if Norra wasn't on it. Fuck Wendig. But if you really want one they're gonna be Barnes and Noble exclusive.
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>>51532536
Based Sloane is getting a poster too so there's that at least.
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>>51532536
How the fuck is this poster supposed to be motivating me to join when some old hag is on the front instead of one of the many famous heroes of the rebellion.
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>>51532622
Isn't she a famous hero?
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>>51532619
>A strong need no man black woman
>Admiral
No fuck you mouse I am done.
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>>51532622
You don't know about the amazing Norra Wexley? She flew a Y-Wing into DSII and got PTSD! She's the best Mom ever and her son is that fat guy in TFA!

Seriously, fuck Wendig.
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>>51532536
>When the Centrum Silver is juuuuuuust right.
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>>51532645
Sloane is fucking awesome when Wendig isn't writing her.
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>>51532652
Who Matt Parkman?
>>51532619
Black don't crack how can grannys even compete?
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>>51532652
What's actually wrong with Norra? I haven't read her comic.
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>>51532698
She's from Aftermath, a trilogy of books. That's really all you need to know to write her off as shit.
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>>51532536
>all I do with her ARC is 1-2 straights and banks and swerve all over the place at low speed with BB-8
I guess subconsciously I knew she was an old lady all along
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>>51532652
Meanwhile, good pilots went into the guts of the Death Star and came out heroes without being whiny cunts about it. We need to brainwash someone into thinking she has one transparisteel leg and let nature take its course.
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>>51532731
Kanan, PtL is a great build if you want coolNorra
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>>51532645
If a dumb alien like Thrawn can do it, why not?
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>>51532731
I hate that she is the best best pilot in my favorite ship. I really need to start using Thane or Shara.
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>>51532777
Because he has a penos.
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>>51532777
Because he has an panos
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>>51532788
Are you sure his species has penises?
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>>51532788
This
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>>51532731
>>51532764
I like pairing Norra with Ezra and Targeting Astro. Turn that focus into a Crit.
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Anybody else notice that in season 6 episode 10 Palpatine bald-faced lies to Yoda and says Sifo-Dyas and Silman were sent out under Finis Valorum's administration when ten years before the episode, he was Chancellor not Finis?
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>>51532830
With Stay on Target thats a pretty good combo, anon. Thanks.

Also, what should I take to Regionals. WhisperPalp or Biggs/Thane/Ghost?
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>>51532878
What?

Palpatine was made chancellor after he had the clones commissioned through Silman and Sifo-Diyas, wasn't he?
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>>51532878
Sifo-Dyas died around the time of the invasion of Naboo and the clones were comissioned by him before that. Palps wasn't in control until much later.
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>>51532878
Yoda was wise not smart
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Since we're discussing ARC's. Would Thane be good with Sabine crew+Bomb of choice?
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>>51532975
My current list has Thane with M9 and Jyn, but it also has Biggs, and a Lothal Rebel with AutoTurret, Rey and a RecSpec
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>>51532918
Yoda says it happened ten years before the episode takes place, Palpatine was elected 12 years before the episode takes place, thus Palpatine lied to Yoda's face and Yoda didn't see it or remember the fucker was in office when Sifo died, or perhaps it was just that Sifo died ten years before, but was helping Dooku and Sidious before he was elected.
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>>51533030
Also, it could just be a writing error, because we know the vague timeline of how things happened besides that one line.
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>>51532619
THAT DOGGONE HAIR IS OUT OF REGULATION
NOT CLEARED HOT
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>>51533118
GROOOOOOMIN' STANDARD
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>>51533083
Could be, I just thought I'd ask /swg/.
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>>51530140
"A weapon to surpass Death Star!"
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>>51533118
This is actually my only beef with Sloane. Her hair is just way too nice for the military, especially the fucking imperial navy.
plus black women with short hair are top-tier and I'm disappointed by the missed opportunity
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Fuck you /swg/ Grey Jedi are fucking great
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>>51533118
>>51533132

Hold on, if she has the white uniform - doesn't she set the grooming standard?
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>>51533294
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>>51533294
Go back to 9fag.
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>>51533338
Nah fuck off moralfag cunts. Grey Jedi are legit and the true way to use the force.
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>>51533294
>>51533393

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no fear; there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness.
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.

if you're gonna post Gray Jedi go with the Je'daii the original order before they wised up and became the Jedi, not that shitty fan fiction tier crap.
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>>51528851
Well, how do you want to fly? You need to give more info.

What ships or concepts do you want to build around?
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>>51525576
That wasn't even edgy, just fairly realistic. Who pissed in your Spergflakes this morning?
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>>51528851
Get two Starvipers, two Scyks and a Khiraxz, those are the best ships for new Scum players.
Avoid the Jumpmaster, Hounds Tooth, Protectorate Fighter, Lancer, and the Most Wanted box, those are all noob traps.
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>>51533393
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>>51533480
>>51528851
This guy is joking, if it isn't clear.

Syks are actually decent though.
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>>51533469
I think that anon was more concerned with your quads.
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>>51533294
>hey look mom I just played KOTOR for the first time
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>>51530969
>rouge
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>>51528851
If you just started, the trick is to play bad ships well, not to play good ships badly.
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>>51533608
Yeah, you just get ol' Han to pinch your cheeks. Color stays all night.
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>>51533510
Eh, I linked back to the wrong post anyway.
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>>51533294
It's fags like this that give cool grey Jedi like Jolee, Kyle and Qui-Gon a bad name. Being a grey Jedi is not about being a special snowflake that no one else understands it's about recognizing how you don't have to be a fucking robot to not turn into a Sith asshole
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>>51533294
>serenity opposing peace

who the fuck made this trash
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>>51533815
I wouldn't go so far as to call Qui-Gon a grey jedi, though he certainly wasn't orthodox
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>>51533815
Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Luke as well, under your definition, but Gray Jedi is more a term for those who follow the Original Jedi code than a Jedi who uses both the Force and Dark Side.
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>>51533829
Faggots who don't understand the first thing about being a Grey Jedi.
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>>51533879
Using your emotions to do force stuff is the dark side
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>>51533829
I think you read it wrong. But I even if you read it right it's pretty dumb. Especially with that shitty symbol in the back
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>>51533893
No, letting your emotions run out of control and take over your decision-making process is Dark Side.
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>>51533893
No, wrong. Using your emotions to abuse the Force is the Dark Side, you can use your emotions and have emotions and stay on the side of the Force but if you let those emotions and passions rule you, You fall and become Sith or some other Dark Side order of Force-user.
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>>51533910
Well yeah. But you could be like that kid on Captain Planet and use friendship or some shit to power all your force stuff and that would be dark side. Being a Jedi is about reaching outward and letting the universe guide you. The dark side is about looking inward and unleashing your inner strength of emotion. The key is that once you start focusing only on yourself and especially negative emotions like rage or fear you lose touch with others and become a selfish prick. So if you watch yourself and make sure it's not a bunch of negative emotions, you could draw on your inner emotional power from time to time and go all "faith in my friends" and shit
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>>51533904
Whoever made it is clearly trying to emulate the Jedi and Sith codes, where one thing, say, ignorance, is mirrored by its opposite, in this case knowledge. The only set on there that are opposites are chaos and order. Serenity/peace is the same fucking thing, and passion/emotion are very similar, and most certainly not opposite.
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>>51533885
>>51533910
Your husbando isn't real. Gray jedi aren't real. The force in balance isn't half dark half light, it's 100% light.
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>>51533910

>Anakin says he loved Padme
>kills her

>Obi-Wan said he loved Anakin
>almost kills him

Don't fall for the Gray Meme.
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>>51533943
No friendship is compassion, moron.
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>>51533951
Well those aren't opposing each other but I agree with you the first two sentences are the same fucking thing, and making some of the words giant and some tiny doesn't help
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>>51533943
Positive emotions don't lead to the dark side. Things like love and compassion are sources of good. However, the loss of a loved one can lead to anger and hatred if one cannot learn to let go.
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>>51533955
>The OT never said light so there is no light side!!
>The clone wars episode with yoda says the dark side is a parasite, even though an earlier arc has balance as a theme and yoga fights a dark version of himself even though he's been a Jedi all his life, implying there's a part of him that's dark

Hey guy figured you'd be around soon
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>>51533988
Bad=/= dark side

Good =/= light side

They are closely correlated but not the same thing. Like I said it's more about how you tap into your powers. Emotions is dark side, meditation and willpower is the opposite
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>>51534003
There's more than one person who wants this muh gray bullshit to stop. The light IS balance. The dark IS imbalance. The fact that the OJO were too far up their own dogma to see the sith under their nose changes nothing.
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>>51533955
New canon seems to disagree with that assessment. Bendu is a balance between the two. On Mortis, the Son is not treated as a foriegn source of corruption and imbalance, but rather an integral part of the Force itself. Its likely that the Sith themselves are the imbalance, as they use the dark side in their quest to conquer. The Jedi do not seek power or look to conquer others, so they are not a source of imbalance.
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>>51533955
>Implying Jolee was ever anything but 100% light
That morality slider on his status readout was bullshit. Nearly everything Old JB said and did was in line with Luke's philosophy.

>>51533957
Anakin let his passions control him, and his love was tainted by obsession, anger, fear, and hatred. As for Obi-Wan, Anakin was an enemy combatant with obviously lethal intent and no desire to resolve the issue peacefully. Obi-Wan had no other options. I've got no clear explanation for why he let him burn, though. Maybe muh prophecy, maybe he couldn't bring himself to finish the job, maybe bad writing.
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>>51533970
Not all the time. I'm compassionate with patients when I work as a doctor but they aren't necessarily my friends. Friendship is a closer relationship. See also creepy conversation Anakin with Padme about "unconditional love"
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>>51534048
Well, the ideal Jedi do not.

The Jedi were /definitely/ a source of imbalance before they all got killed.
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>>51534048
>Bendu
Bendu is massively unexplored at this point. It would be retarded to count out him being involved in the corruption of Ezra or Kanan at some point in the future.
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>>51534030
>Emotions is dark side
>Classic Jedi code has "Emotion, yet peace" as its very first line, even in nucanon
No, it isn't. Emotion in itself is not inherently inclined to any faction. Those who walk in the Light can still have emotion, but they temper it with self-control and reason.
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>>51534079
No it would be retarded to think that Bendu could possibly in any way shape or form cause any harm to Ezra or Kanan.
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>>51534060
True, the OJO lost their way. Their decision to fight in the Clone Wars rather examine the root causes of the conflict, that the Republic had become corrupt and that they had become pawns of the Sith is proof of this. But then Vader killed them all, and then he redeemed himself and killed Palpatine. He brought balance to the Force by destroying the two orders that had unbalanced it in their unceasing struggle for control.
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>>51534114
I'd argue that the true balancing occurred when Luke, in an act of love - foreign to both traditional Jedi and Sith - redeemed Vader at the end. But sure, same idea.
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>>51534034
>Restates thesis as evidence

You got me

Regardless, people see the force and think "it's got to be exactly like this!" It can have duality and yet be singular. Light, dark, good, bad, these are things we as living beings map onto the force. But we also create the force as life. But the force gives life too. It's a divine mystery. I bet padawans meditate for years about this shit, constantly reciting koans to get a taste of what the force is like. It can't be boiled down to some post on a Neumoidian cartoon holonet site by you, me, or anybody
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>>51534136
That image will never not be fucking idiotic.
Stop posting it.
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Being a grey jedi is about using the force to its full potential. The Jedi and Sith are wrong. In order to use the force to the greatest extent possible you must be able to wield both sides of the force. The defensive abilities of the Light combined with the offensive power of the Dark is an unstoppable combination.
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>>51534113
>cryptic force user who has expressed knowledge of the dark side
>as many seasons as they have to fill with shit
You're kidding yourself if you don't see something coming of it.

>>51534138
>yin/yang image
Could you scream baitpost any louder?
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>>51534003
None of the movies say anything about the light side, just The Force and a balance that Anakin will bring for all time.
>>51534053
No, all the time, if you put conditions on your friendships you're a shitty person. I happen to believe Anakin was right about that if you sympathize with everybody's pain you have to love them all unconditionally, Friendship might be closer but it's really just a deeper familiarity not any different than any other kind of compassion.
>>51534136
Acts of love are not foreign to the Jedi, see Luke in EU.
>>51534138
People got that thesis directly from Lucas, He stated that the Jedi are right, and when disney bought Lucasfilm they bought G-canon along with it.
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>>51534147
How the fuck do you figure shitposting idiot?
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>>51534161
Nah you sound like a cunt who gets mad at anyone who doesn't share the same dogmatic and close-minded opinion that you do.
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>>51534203
>dogmatic and close-minded opinion
>stated in the material and by the creator to be the way that it is
Look, if you want to write fanfiction, that's fine. If you want to conflate and confuse by presenting your fanfiction as valid, that's not fine.
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>>51534203
Hello Sheev, How are you today? Electrocute anyone yet?
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>>51534147
I think it's frigging delightful.

Also, people keep posting fucking frogs and random anime reaction images... or no images at all. At least this one is on topic.
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>>51534179
>None of the movies
>what is The Force Awakens

Anyway Lucas made both the Mortis arc and the Yoda one. Neither is internally consistent and they are clearly not consistent with each other. But that's ok. If it's supposed to be about faith it doesn't have to have a perfect answer.

>>51534161
Yeah I realize it's pretty faggotty of me but it's a good visual representation and the force is strongly based on eastern religious concepts
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>>51534236
Amen brother
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>>51534060
I really hope we someday get an Actis in X-wing that can start docked with and deploy from a hyperdrive ring for like an extra hull, shield and slam action in exchange for making turns red or something
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>>51534241
There it's mentioned by three NON-Jedi, exactly one of whom is force sensitive, and one is a former Jedi who has fallen into darkness and would see The Force as being Light.
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>>51534241
It's a terrible visual representation. It suggests to the uninformed that the force is in balance when there is both light and dark. That is not the case.

The jedi are only based on eastern concepts so much as to Lucas said "Gee, what about samurai wizards with laser swords?" NOTHING about the force holds up in a comparison to eastern religion under scrutiny.
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>>51534273
>Only Jedi can have thoughts on the force

Fuck I'm going full Kriea which is not my intention. I'm gonna go pass out now
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>>51534291
Since when were the jedi the end all be all authority on the force? I wonder who can be behind this post
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>>51534316
>Since when were the jedi the end all be all authority on the force?
Since they're the only characters presenting the viewer with exposition from an informed position when not tempting another character to darkness.
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>>51534297
No any force order or sensitive can have thoughts on it, but only the Jedi are right, as per Lucas and G-Canon, you don't have to like it, that's just the way it is.
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>>51534348
Lucas is no longer the be all end all of canon anymore and frankly in the past he contradicted himself all the fucking time. Remeber how Yoda was not a jedi and never used a lightsaber or how about Leia remembering her Mom. Don't forget about Luke forcechoking Jabba's guard. And of course you can't forget about midichlorians. You only support Lucas when it helps your worldview.
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>>51534387
>Leia remembering her Mom.
Leia has space wizard powers, even if she doesn't know how to use them. This is a silly thing to question.

When did Lucas contradict himself on midi-chlorians?
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>>51534387
>Don't forget about Luke forcechoking Jabba's guard.
To be fair, the entire Jabba's Palace bit seemed like it was meant to portray Luke as being very, very close to falling to the Dark Side. The black clothes, Force choke, and his threatening language were all meant to paint him as being on a precarious moral footing. That same darkness briefly comes back at Endor. It's only when he discards his lightsaber that he fully abandons his inner darkness

Fucking hell, all this light-dark talk is starting to sound really Kingdom Heartsy..
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>>51534427
SUBMIT
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>>51534387
No, I support Lucas when his statement is not contradicted by him at a later date, and if it is the later statement is correct. Obviously, Yoda was always a Jedi, I happen to like him being a badass melee fighter as well as an awesome Wizard, but I digress Yoda was always a Jedi how else would Obi-Wan know where to send Luke?
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>>51534417
Luke didn't remember her and the OT obviously made it seem like Leia knew her from Alderann. And midichlorians obviously didn't exist during the OT as well. I hope you don't think that Lucas was some master storyteller who had the whole thing planned out.
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>>51534444
During his interviews Lucas clearly says that Yoda was a force guru and not a jedi knight. He also said he would never use a lightsaber. This obviously changed during the prequels when someone told him we have the technology to make Yoda flip around like a retarded ninja with ADHD.
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>>51534448
>Luke didn't remember her
What does that have to do with anything? Different people remember different things from when they were young and force powers develop differently for different people.

>midichlorians obviously didn't exist during the OT as well
They weren't talked about but Lucas and people he worked with on the OT said he had the idea of them, they just felt that bringing them up didn't fit those movies.

>I hope you don't think that Lucas was some master storyteller
Lucas isn't perfect and there are a lot of small and some less small ways the franchise could be better, but These aren't them.
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>>51534471
Who really fucking cares? it was cool, and it makes no difference to me. Honestly, if the motherfucker had never learned how to fight With a lightsaber in roughly 900 motherfucking years I wouldn't have believed it, as the Jedi were always warriors in Legends.
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>>51534471
>interviews
>changing something on the drawing board before it's presented in the franchise is the same thing as contradiction in the franchise
Do I really have to explain why that's wrong?
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>>51534443
DARK GREETINGS
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>>51534569
Damn he was /fa/ as fuck
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>>51534159
>Dude wouldn't it be cool to be like starkiller and be a jedi that uses force lightning
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Is force lightning still described as "hating your target to death"?
I don't remember where I heard it from, but I always loved that description.
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>>51534048

Every time people bring up the Mortis Trilogy, the forget a really important dialogue exchange:

>You have done what is forbidden. You have chosen the dark side and allowed it to feed your anger and desire for power.

>By bringing the Chosen One here, you've shown me my potential. You've only yourself to blame.

>Do not do this, son. Do not become what you should not. Be strong, I implore you, or else I will be forced to contain you.

The fact that Son was naturally inclined to the darkside and Father was equally inclined toward both light and dark does NOT mean that Darkness is natural. They themselves say in that exchange that using the Dark Side is forbidden, even for the Son.

This isn't in contradiction with anything. In EU canon there are animals and entire PLANETS that have an "inclination," toward Dark Side use. That doesn't make the Dark Side itself any less of an aberration, some people are born more likely to get cancer or with other genetic abnormalities

I think its also worth remembering that the Mortis Family are not some kind of Force Incarnate, nor are they Gods or other direct indicators of the true nature of the cosmology. They're just aliens with a powerful and unique ability to use the force. Nothing more, nothing less. Drawing conclusions about the Force's nature from them as if they are is inherently flawed.
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Grey doesn't even mean half light and half dark you edgelords, Grey means Light under a philosophy that risks dark side corruption for good/practical reasons while still recognizing it as obviously bad. Qui-Gon was considered Grey by some people. The Voss Mystics in TOR are Grey. Benduu has knowledge of Dark Side shit but he's still obviously good and focused on light-side shit (unless as some people said this is a bait and switch for later).
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What's the consensus on the Rebel's new Masterpiece? Personally as much as I love Sabine I think she's better in the Attack Shuttle where she can uses a Turret.
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>>51535189

Sabine's probably better as crew in her ride. You can take a bomb. And scavenger crane!

Rex and Zeb will see play as filler, Ahsoka (with or without VI) will be used for support ships. Sabine probably won't get pulled unless you need the EPT for cheap.
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>>51535189
I picked one up but I'm probably only ever going to use it as Rex or rarely Ahsoka, I just don't see much point in using Zeb or Sab.
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>>51535183
There are multiple definitions of grey. Being 100% light with nothing to do with the dark at all but not being affiliated with the Jedi Order can mean gray, but 99% of the time people talk about it they mean they want all the lightning with none of the falling.
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The force is the worst part about Star Wars desu
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>>51535297
No, the starfighter physics is.
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>>51535308
>>51535297
No it's definitely the senate debates
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>>51535297
>>51535308
>>51535320
I thought the worst part was Attack of the Clones
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>>51532645
Report frog posters, hide frog poster, Yada yada
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>>51535325

People who say Attack Of The Clones is worse than Phantom Menace are foolish foooooooools
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>>51533393
>my nearly of character that is not a moral fag like the Jedi nor a Saturday morning villain like the sith is way cool. Lemme tell you about-
>where are you guys going?
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>>51535339
I think TPM has some sort of charm.
AotC is almost consistently awful all the way through. Bad cgi, mediocre acting, and a god awful romantic subplot.
Even the final battle is boring, it's just two huge CGI armies running at each other with thing occasionally blowing up. Plus Yoda using a lightsaber was a mistake.
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>>51535339
podracing > an hour of awkward teenage romance
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>>51535376

Personally I give AotC more credit because I feel like the ideas behind it had potential that were tragically squandered, and the story at least makes a certain relative kind of sense.

I understand the motivations and reasons behind what most of the characters are doing. Padme wants to stop the war and not die. Anakin wants to bang Padme and save his mum. Obi-wan wants to solve the dumb mystery. Jango wants to stop Obi-Wan from solving the dumb mystery. Dooku wants to trick Obi-Wan and start a war. Palpy wants to start a war and trick everybody. I understand what the story is: there is a civil war brewing, an assassination is intended to touch it off, the heroes have to trace the assassin and keep his target alive, tracing the assassin leads to a bigger mystery about a secret army, keeping the target alive leads to old loose ends involving family and a love story. All points converge in a big battle. Yeah, a lot of it sucks, but at least the fucking bedrock isn't broken.

Plus the arena fight with the monsters is really cool and the whole Sandpeople Kidnapping/Rape subplot is pretty engaging right up until Padme says "To be angry is to be human." Fuck that line, holy shit.

Anyway, my point is I prefer something that could have maybe been good in theory and I can see how easily it could have been fixed to something that's almost totally unsalvagable no matter what you try to do to it because its fundamentals are broken.
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>>51535612
>the arena fight with the monsters is really cool
I hate that scene. They should've just killed them or sent them to die deep in the hive.

I've said it before, but they should've had Ani and Padme lay low on Tatooine with Owen instead of Naboo.
>Yeah, we're going to hide her where nobody will look for her, her home planet that everyone knows about!
It would've also made Shmi's death more powerful knowing he was so close to her but unable to stop it.
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>>51535703

>I hate that scene. They should've just killed them or sent them to die deep in the hive.

I mean, its not super logical, but it is a fun pulpy star-warsy action scene in a saga that was sorely lacking them in favor of ACTIONSABERZ where the heroes got to quip and do cool things. It was very reminiscent of the Sarlacc battle, and I appreciated it.
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>>51535739
The geonosians seemed like they were supposed to be some smart industrious insect race, building the droids, designing the death star, etc., the Colosseum felt very out of place. The rancor and the sarlacc weren't too off base for the eccentric criminal, Jabba had already been set up as being.
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>>51535804

I felt like the implication of the scene before when they went into the factory was that Genonosians like having all their outer structures look like old unused ruins or natural rock, and all their modern industry and real civilization was underground. So the Colosseum fit in that since it was above ground it was intentionally primitive and run down as part of their disguise.

That said, that might be a reach. Either way, it was just nice to have an action scene without nonsensical highspeed lightsaber moves or an all-cg vehicle battle. Of course, it later became both, but at least it started out being neither.
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>>51533294
Grey Jedi don't/shouldn't have a code.
THATS SO DUMB.
They're just people using the force to do what they think is right (or what suits them) it's what makes them more interesting/relatable, they're people.
They're origins are varied and they sure as shit didn't get together and make a third order.
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>>51536125
Is Obi-wan a grey Jedi? he is relatable and a fully realized person but not a Grey Jedi. Everything that you just said is pure bullshit, and the whole concept needs to end, as Kenobi fucks the whole concept you put forth right in the ass, and then chops it into pieces and set those pieces on fire, just by existing.
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>>51534869
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>>51536176
I'm not saying Jedi/sith can't be relatable. I just don't think all the Grey Jedi got together to have a meeting and make a code.
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>>51536176
In fact, one of the reasons Obi-Wan is great as a character is because he's a shitty Jedi in a lot of ways.
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>>51536176
A "Grey" Jedi is just a guy who can use the force competently and isn't part of any order (Jedi or Sith) for any plethora of reasons.
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>>51536213
Except, he was a Master on the council, Pretty fucking successful Jedi, if you ask me.
>>51536190
Because all Grey Jedi are exiles/ voluntarily left the Jedi Order they tend to be solitary or imprisoned.
>>51536248
Nope, they have to be a Jedi and exiled or voluntarily leave.
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>>51536027
I am delighted by this, even if it's, objectively, quite terrible.
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>>51535330
>frog poster

Fuck off newfriend
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>>51536289
This is stupid.
You're a faggot.
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>>51536459
That is literally how it works in Legends, Canon does not actually have any grey Jedi yet, just one exile Ahsoka, who is kind of a shit character..

I thought we were all faggots being that this is 4chan but okay friend.
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>>51536125

This. All the fan concepts of a Gray Jedi Code are edgy-Green Lantern mantras that inherently go against the idea of being separate from the Jedi or Sith. Instead, it's Sith who aren't *overtly* assholes, but end up being selfish edgelords.

Worthy of a chuckle though: http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi_Code
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>>51537342
Just for once can we have a force group with a DIFFERENT view of the Force and a different set of rules than a x yet x or an x leads to x or x not x Code?
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>>51536484
>Canon does not actually have any grey Jedi yet, just one exile Ahsoka,
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>>51537906
Not a Jedi.
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>>51537906
Different force traditions aren't the same thing as dark Jedi
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>>51538224
>Dark
>Not grey

Damn typos. All this terminology is getting to me
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>>51538224
>>51537976
Semantics about job titles, he specifically specifies he's not "the light" or "the dark".
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