/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

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First for like hell am I posting this in the dead thread.

Converted jetpack Palatine Blades, because I'm a poorfag. There's still some work to finish on them, and I'm thinking about adding some iconography to some of the more 'bare' spots, but I'm liking 'em.

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Reductor and/or Genetor represent. Iron Warriors and Death Guard can take a break, we do it better.

I'm slightly confused that there's pretty much nil fluff about either of them, so of course I decided to make both into an army. Biggest problem is trying to stop myself making over two-thirds of my army out of Skaven kits, they look so RIGHT.

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>reposting

What is the best Legion to get into if I want to play with cool HH toys?

Bonus points for being a good complimentary force (as far as models and lore go) for Blood Angels, which I have a 40k army for.

STOP NOT KEEPING TRACK OF THREADS
I'VE LOST COUNT SHIT

>>51447759
That thread count was inaccurate by the hundreds to begin with. Nothing of value was lost.

>>51447737
Word Bearers for being red.

>>51447759
XVLth thread.

Did any Marines suffer from primarch based psychosis during the Heresy?

Blood Angels Black Rage is them having visions of Sanguinius' ordeals during the final events of the Heresy, even believing they are Sanguinius. The Excoriators suffer from The Darkness, in which they go through Dorn's darkest moments and the death of the Emperor. Has anything like that happened during the Heresy itself?

>>51447737
Given a lot of the cool HH toys are vehicles, I'm going to say Iron Hands.

Scouring theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjnvYb59MIM
>>51447759
>>51447912
This is thread #439 according to the archives. Lord knows how many of them I baked.

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>>51447999
ECanon, I'm writing it down to help keep track.

Also, nice trips.

>>51447860
>>51447998
Since I play BA and Deathwatch, I already paint a lot of red and black. Looking to mix things up a bit.

Was considering Iron Hands though, they do have some great stuff. Just would like something a bit more visually dynamic.

>>51447737
Any Titan Legion.

>>51447737
If you mean things like tanks, walkers, flyers and rapiers then Iron Hands seem a good choice. They were know for getting a hard on for those toys, even replacing parts of their own body with them.

>>51447987
Nope. But still might knowing BL.

>>51448067
Which is to say Legio Ignatum, who are canonically the best legion.

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>>51448013
Why would you want to keep track of them? For a good period of time I baked a lot of them in 2015, and then I started back in 2016 and did summaries for some unfathomable reason. The rest is history.

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would a simple martian ironearth base work with my simple mars spacemen? or should I try the GW astrongranite to make them murderous men on the moon?

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>>51448158
>that mini on the right

>>51448158
I'd go for something with a neutra colour, not something too red or orange. Otherwise the bloodspatters won't stand out that much.

You are going to do bloodspatters right ?

>>51448158
I feel astrogranite would be better, as it wouldn't add another colour to the model. As things are you've got three contrasting colours (white, blue, gold), adding a forth (red) could well make the model too busy/messy.

>>51448067
>>51448106
Maybe when Adeptus Titanicus comes out lmao

>>51448094
Iron Hands are cool, but I'd still prefer a different color scheme.

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>>51448199
what colors would you add on top of the astrogranite debris? I'm looking it up right now and no guides are showing what to drybrush and wash it with after

>>51445445

If I had to guess, he built a distress beacon of some sort, after he used the Thallax, Felblade and other spare bits to MacGyver a new body for Morturg.

Then when a ship came along, he murdered everyone who tried to kill him, then stole the ship and flew to the nearest Forgeworld, probably to upgrade Morturg's body with actual parts and steal all the guns he could carry.

Then I would guess he went out and leveled planets.

>>51447987
Iron Hands lost there shit when they found out Ferrus was dead.

Autek Mor was kind of an exception to this because everything he did Ferrus lost his head is basicly the same as what he was doing before.

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>>51448399
I only noticed it now - the Implacable rule grants Move Through Cover to all the vehicles too. That's a lot of potential for mechanised armies.

>>51448312
I suspect Decima is simulating the entire GTA series simultaneously, the number of vehicles he steals. How is this not in his rules again?

I came up with this in the last thread, to make him more worth his 280pts. Thoughts?


Give him ArchMagos stats and swap out Curse of the Omnissiah for a Haywire weapon with something like:

Subversive Engrams: If Calleb Decima wrecks (Not explodes) an enemy vehicle in close combat, control of the vehicle is instead transferred to Decima's controlling player until the end of Decima's player's next turn (Not the one in which the vehicle was YOINKsed, the next one), at which point it is automatically wrecked. If this vehicle is destroyed in any way, treat it as if it belonged to the opposing player (So he can't lose points for doing that to a LoW, or something).

Obviously needs work on the wording, but it might be fun. Might also need some form of mobility boost, but it would need testing (and probably a nerf, knowing my homebrew skills).

Makes him less of a one-shot deal, anyway.

>>51448242
I reckon a middle-ish grey should pick out the texture pretty well, without overpowering things.

>>51447737
Blood Angels?

Are Quad Heavy Bolter Rapiers good for Imperial Fist Foot sloggers or should I go with Sniper Vets instead?

>>51448754
Take sniper vets. Quad heavy bolters are only good with DA acid rounds.

HEY MOTHER FUCKERS HOW DO I RUN A HORUS HERESY RPG? DEATHWATCH MINUS THE DEATHWATCH ANTI-XENO SPECIFIC STUFF?

>>51448890

Just run your PC's as a Knights Errant/ Agents of horus group, detached marines with specialist skills to do jobs that armies cannot.

likewise, scrap all new equipment from the setting and you should be pretty solid

>>51448577
>Subversive Engrams: If Calleb Decima wrecks (Not explodes) an enemy vehicle in close combat,
Good, maybe add Non-Walker
>control of the vehicle is instead transferred to Decima's controlling player until the end of Decima's player's next turn (Not the one in which the vehicle was YOINKsed, the next one)
Remove Decima from play and gain control of the vehicle with d3 HP? and Decima's BS + prefered enemy? It does not award VPs when destroyed.
If it is destroyed place, Decima 1" away or as close as possible. If it explodes, treat Decima as if he was a passenger. for random wound allocation.


Wording needs work but it's something

So what's the consensus on the Glaive? It looks kinda overcosted, but rule of cool leans heavily in favor of the deathstar mobile

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>>51448800
Quad bolters don't count for being allowed to use acid rounds sorry anon. Sorry, as much fun as it would be.

>>51449064
You already summed it up perfectly. It's best going up a flank to get the beam to hit as many things as possible.

>>51449207
Who's the fucktard that draws all these "hundreds of marines marching forward" pictures? They're so fucking stupid.

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>>51449253
It is all the art off the early HH books, will dump some more for you, they are all so insanely divorced from any sort of tactics its cute.

>>51448754
IF player here.
Foot slogging is a terrible idea, I tried it the first few games. I figured 20 bolters with fury looked great on paper. First turn about 70% were blown up from artillery. It would have hurt even more with vets.

Just give them a rhino, use it to soak up some shots when they outflank coming in from reserves.

As for the quad mortars, if you give them a nuncio vox they could accurately fuck someone's day.

>>51449253

They're called legions and even use stupid Roman aesthetics and spelling. They're not called Bravo Zero Special Operations Kill Squad 204

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>>51449253
>>51449321

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>>51449253
at least as it goes on they start added vehicles and titans and shit.

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>>51449253
giant demons and what not also appear

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>>51449253
Same people who draw dudes fighting with swords and hammers against tanks and machine gun nests.

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>>51449253
and then it gets better with stuff like this.

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>>51449406
nice old stuff, but I got your back bro. This was one of the pics out of the old space crusade booklet that first got me addicted too plastic crack.

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>>51449327
Thanks for the History lesson, I guess having any sensible tactics=insta lose and throwing dudes right down the middle into the teeth of the enemy guns=insta win?
No wonder those strategy-less, general-less Romans conquered the entire Mediteranean :^)

>>51449452
Never noticed that dude by the titan head firing a shuriken catapult at Johnny. Don't need no bolter magazine to tell me who the heretics are.

What are some GOOD 30k batrep channels on youtube. I've been scouring it for a week.

MWG has gimmick lists that only work at B or C levels of competition and constantly get rules wrong and do bad plays. Pretty models I guess.

A lot of random channels that are basically like MWG that have one or more of the following:
>Really annoying people who overact on camera
>Bad lists, that have 'net list' elements so you know they tried to make it competitive but failed
>Don't know the rules to the point you wonder if they even read them more than 0.75 times
>Make objectively bad plays
>Lose at deployment and make the rest of the watch moot
>Constantly call things the wrong name because they refuse to actually commit it to memory
>Conversions that are "minimum to get out of FW price points"-level
>I swear it's mostly Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion

WW40k Australia is probably the best I've found thus far.

Anyone else find a gem of a channel?

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>>51449478
If you're looking for a sensible, 'logical' explanation, you're in the wrong thread. And frankly, you're probably on the wrong board. /k/ is <-- that way.

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>>51449478
>look at these dumb shits
>massing over open terrain
>not taking cover and using their ranged weapons to just snipe the enemy
>not using superio hit & run special forces tactics
>0/10, would not burn Carthage with

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>>51449510
MWG is a bunch of morman stuffy fucks who can barely pronounce most of the names of 30k stuff let alone remember the rules, fuck those churchy fly over state looking motherfuckers.

Guerrilla Miniature Games channel is ok, but their camera work is a bit jumpy. They will mostly listen to the comments and adjust their rule mistakes or fuck ups and I appreciate that.

and yeah WW40k is good, but you have to be immune to the semi bogan Townsville army vibe they swim in, I grew up in North QLD and even I get my fill of it by the end of an episode.

>>51449591
I've given up on wishing for GW or any of its branches to actually understand tactics, but hey at least massed ranks of Astartes looks cool.

>>51449636
Anon, you do understand you're asking for a game that's based around 12 foot tall super-men swinging swords and axes in space at demons to be more serious with its tactics, right?

>>51449478
>I guess having any sensible tactics=insta lose and throwing dudes right down the middle into the teeth of the enemy guns=insta win?

It's like you don't even know about the Raptors chapter from 40k. They try to act all modern and tactical and end up going near extinct repeatedly because of it.

>>51449610

To be fair, Space Marines have always been shock troopers. They conduct shock and awe campaigns to provoke an enemy response (because they're so fucking hard to kill), then the rest of the Imperial forces crush them. Space Marines want to draw you into combat on the field.

The real issue with Legion Astartes and with most of the Heresy traitors which inhabit the Warp in 40k are that the vast majority of them were lock and step meatheads who aren't used to fighting under duress in virtually every scenario imaginable. They fought the way their Primarchs wanted them to fight, and thats it. If it didn't work, then they all die, no plan D-Z in case plans A-C fail.

>>51449691
Wait what? Shit man, I used to think they were the coolest chapter.

>>51449689
Yeah what of it? Does that seem unreasonable~ to you?

>>51449510
I enjoy MWG for the 'production values' but god damn do I hate that fat fuck and his nasally voice.

>>51449691
>and end up going near extinct repeatedly because of it.
Evidence? Because they only switched to more pragmatic tactics because they were brought to such low numbers in the first place.

>>51449689
>12ft
REEEEE MARINES ARE 7ft tall.

>>51449911
They do have good production value. It's Quirk that kills it for me. He almost always takes Alpharius and Dynat and hides them alone somewhere just to use their special rules. He just doesn't care about his opponents stuff as evidenced by how little he cares to remember what their stuff is. I did enjoy the thrashing the RG player gave him however.

>>51449961
Tbqh, I like Quirk a lot better than that one fat guy, merely because I always see Quirk roll a retardedly high amount of 1's.

>>51449691
You're dumb, they became pragmatists because they were hot-heads and then they got super fucked over.

>>51449930

It's plastered all over the 40k wiki, mentioned repeatedly, multiple times.

>B-B-BUT WIKI ISN'T CITED LIKE LEXICANUM

Adeptus Astartes: Successor Chapters (Limited Release Booklet)
Codex: Armageddon (3rd Edition), pg. 18
Codex: Space Marines (5th Edition), pg. 8
Codex: Space Marines (3rd Edition), pp. 22-23, 47
Deathwatch: Honour the Chapter (RPG), pp. 82-88
Imperial Armour Volume Two - Space Marines and Forces of the Inquisition, pp. 17, 81, 91, 177
Imperial Armour Volume Two, Second Edition - War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes, pg. 18
Imperial Armour Volume Three - The Taros Campaign, pp. 39, 40-41, 45, 146
Imperial Armour Volume Four - The Anphelion Campaign, Second Edition, pg. 117
Imperial Armour Volume Nine - The Badab War - Part One, pp. 31, 39-40, 47, 98-105, 169
Warhammer 40,000: Compendium (1st Edition), "The Badab War", pg. 35

There you go, look it up faggot.

>>51449930
>>51449997

Provide evidence that they only went extinct before changing tactics.

>>51449761
Well, you're basically asking for Doom to be more like Rainbow Six.

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>>51449691
>>51449761
>>51449930
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>>51450021
>>51450027
>tfw everyone always mentions Raptors whenever chapters use the Codex's section on Stealth Warfare
>no one ever mentions the Emperor's Warbringers
It works TOO well.

At least my chapter doesn't have any super autists like Raptors Anon.

>>51450039
Mah battle bruva.

Only chapter I would play online with DoW 1.

Damn I miss that game.

>>51450005
>I'm going to throw sources I haven't read at you like it means anything!

I looked through the Taros Campaign pages you mentioned and nothing there supports your argument, which does not inspire me to continue parsing.

At the very least, this is the commonly-accepted explanation for their color scheme change between old40k and now.

>>51449974
Go watch "Quest for the Mechanicum." Makes me want to kill myself everytime.

>>51449691
>>51449930
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>>51450129
Raptors are second founding who had a high number of super marines, wouldn't suprise me if they thought they were to hard to be killed until it happened over and over again throughout the following years.

>>51450159
?

>>51450005
>B-B-BUT WIKI'S TOTES LEGIT SOURCE FOR INFO, LOOK AT ALL THESE SOURCES

I had a look at some of those. Most merely acknowledged that Raptors exist, what they look like and that they're Raven Guard successors. You have to give some better sources than that.

>inb4 "Nuh-uh, I got 'sources', you got shit. I'm right, you're wrong."

What are some good plastic alternatives for adding shit to the HH boxes? I have one of each. Basically, I can't order FW, and need to stick to what I can get through my LGS, which is really anything from the GW site. I already have two drop pods, but frankly, idk how I should use assemble my dudes because I feel like it's pointless without fancy FW bits like Volkite.

>>51450258
Is China an option?

>>51450258
If you don't have at least a 20 man squad of Tactical marines with Bolters, make those. 20 man squads are almost always useful.

Otherwise, yeah if you can't afford FW stuff, your probably shouldn't be getting in to HH.

>>51450258
if you are unable to FW those two boxes up then a heavy drop pod army or a rhino chassis based force might be the go. The new support squads with flamers + CC weapons dropping in is cheap and nasty as fuck, repeat with melta or plasma as required. You have heaps of options and legions to choose from.

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>>51450258
Oh, you can also be like everybody the scumbags and just run Pride of the Legion in drop pods, 40k style.

>>51450335
There's basically only 3 legions that cold actually get vets and pods tho....pretty limiting and not that great really

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>>51450335
please no........... the worst part is when people don't even attempt to make them look like vets. Just regular old B@C marines with no extra bits or cool gear, vanilla and boring just like the cunts who play them

>>51450383
I'm pissed that GW didn't put any thunderbolts on any of the MkIII torsos. Would have loved to use them for vets.

>>51450275

I'm too retarded for china apparently.

>>51450335
Why are they scumbags?

>>51450376

Well, I'm Night Lords, So I have the option.

>>51450318
That sounds interesting inside of a Terror Assault, but I'd be afraid of spending 600+ points on dudes with bolters and no Volkite.

>>51450440
It's scummy for the reasons mentioned in: >>51450383

Also, sniper vets with rending heavy flamers and combi-flamers are troll, especially in pods.

>>51450440
Volkite's not THAT great. You're basically a unit of Fire Warriors w/ Fireblade in terms of damage output--good, can certainly pile on the saves, but at the end of the day it's a bunch of S5 AP5 (which may as well be AP-).

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>>51450440
if you are running NL just remember that terror squads are expensive as fuck to run as well as raptors, and they die just like all infantry. You can get the same bang for buck with support squads and normal assault marines for much less cost, termies with combi weapons as well. If you are going to run infantry heavy then look for ways to reduce their exposure. Rhinos, pods, outflanking, deepstriking etc etc. There are a heap of other ROW's be creative and have some fun.

>>51450005
Not relevant to the Raptors chat, but as someone who's been heavily involved in behind the scenes stuff at both Lex and 40kwiki, if you're going to bring up veracity of sourcing and non-bullshit behaviour around the treatment of sources, don't push wiki over lex like it's better in that regard.
It's really better just to provide the info you want people to use yourself.

When cleaning resin, how important is soaking the models in the degreaser compared to the actual scrubbing? I usually leave mine in a bowl with dish liquid for at least 24 hours and then scrub it with a toothbrush, but I'm never sure if that's longer than I actually need to.

>>51450712
if it takes longer than this than you have issue my man. Make sure when you scrub them you then rinse them with some clean water as well. I found FW and Z's to be the worst for that shit. CC and Dreamforge are heavenly in that not only is the resin better to work with there is almost no release agent on the new stuff at all.

>>51450463

Oh right, vets get special rules. That's retarded.

>>51450492

Yea, I guess, however they ARE assault 2, which is kind of important for Night Lords. That alone is nothing to sneeze at compared to bolters. Still, there's a stipulation about dudes with Bolters that's hard to shake.

>>51450496

Yea, 200 points for 10 before upgrades.

I've looked at the RoW, and they're all way to specialized and usually require tons of something else, and most of them require massive investment into FW, which is understandable. Like, Pride of the Legion honestly seems like the only one that doesn't require a $1200 investment into FW for their RoW. I can see why people would want to use it.

For example, Orbital assault looks nice until I noticed the number of pods I'd need, and Drop Assault is nice until I realized I can't even use any drop pods.

Terror Assault seems like the only decent option because stuff can take Drop Pods, I get a solid T1 NFing, Terror Squads can infiltrate, I can take other things like support squads, and the only downside is needing 3 Terror Squads.

Idk. Maybe I should just pack my shit up and forget about it. I feel like this is making me unreasonably frustrated.

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>>51450796
do you frequent the buy and sell facebook 30k pages? cause here in Australia our pages have heaps of dudes selling 30k FW and China stuff on the cheap every day. What is your meta like bro? is everyone running shitloads of arty and vehicles or are you in a slow grow meta? does your crew play lots of ZM (best way to play heresy with infantry)

>>51450796
Do it if you want to do it, anon. Playing anything, especially in (more) balanced 30k, is more fun than playing nothing.

>>51450872

I don't have Facebook.

I don't have a meta, either. Despite the efforts of myself and two LGS owners, our area is totally dead unless you like to play MtG.

>>51450875

I just don't want to go through painting and assembling shit only to have them be garbage on the table. I enjoy the hobby aspect, hell it's all I have right now, but unless I have another use for them, there's no real motivation.

>>51449510
WW40k is the only one I watch as well, even if the clear bases annoy the shit out of me.

>>51451162
Why do you dislike the clear bases?

Clear bases are the only ones I like for infantry. I get #triggered every time I see a snow base on a desert table or an urban base in a forest etc. I fucking haaaaaaaate it when they don't match. Kills my suspension of disbelief and they look like they're surfing discs of scenery. I realize I'm probably a minority with this.

To model the extra CCWs on my Death Guard I'm thinking of doing the little chain-bayonets and holstered pistols on most of the tacticals. Is that good enough to represent it?

>>51451232
Why not just attach blades that come with BaC/BoP?

Or are you torturing yourself with resin tacticals?

>>51451250
No I bought the BoP squad, I plan to use some of the chain swords, but to me the DG feels like it needs to have lots of bayonets. Plus I already bought a kit of bolters that came with bayonets to screw with.

So are the forge world bundles for BaC/BoP good for starting an army? As well, any advice on army building for Word Bearers or Ultramarines?

Also how do I paint like you guys? Some of the stuff posted here is beautiful compared to what I've done.

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>>51451232
hell yes it is buddy, it is also more effort than most people put it, well done anon. bayonets make everything better, I really need to kit out the rest of my dudes with them as well.

>>51451394
Do NOT get the FW bundle. You don't need an upgrade set for every man, especially when you can buy 2 BaC for that price.

For painting, there are three pieces of advice I can give you.

Thin your paints.

Watch Duncan paint on Warhamner TV, he has a great Word Bearer video.

Practice.

>>51451404
My nigga. You answered another question I was wondering about, and that's what weapon is a fluffy choice for a DG sergeant.

>>51450531
>you should copy and paste from source texts or provide screencaps for every single statement you make

No, shitters that don't know shit should just stop talking and demanding source or making up bullshit statements. If you're right, you shouldn't need to cite SHIT. The presence or lack thereof a citation doesn't change FACTS. All you're doing by proposing that kind of system is bringing discussion to a crawl. Who the fuck adds that level of bureaucracy and red tape to things like posting on 4chan or everyday discussion? I may not even have the book on hand but if I know for a fact that because I read it a week ago and it's fresh in my memory that page X said Y, then I don't fucking need to cite it, you can go look it up and see that I'm right.

>>51451218
I only play on terrain that matches my bases (cos I made all the terrain I play on) and Im probably autistic but I like to play games on the bases for the game. I get triggered everytime I see 40k stuff on non 40k bases.

>>51451218
Clear bases? That's actually an interesting idea.

I, too, am triggered when the base doesn't match the terrain.

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Shapeways breacher shields. Finally assembled them. I got the ones with the hands but they didn't line up very well so I turned the hands on the shields into a mount to attach to the vambrace of normally assembled tacs. Worked pretty well. Can't beat the price either.

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>>51451218
If you don't play using Goblin Green bases, you're nothing but a poseur.

>>51451598
Thats fair

>>51451644
Especially at events. I mean they look good on the display board but once they hit the table... Drives me nuts. But the clear bases I forget the exist and the army always matches the board.

>>51451781

Those look decent. Got a url address?

>>51451839
>https://www.shapeways.com/product/8YQYHXVRX/10x-blank-marine-boarding-shield-1-w-hand?optionId=59328739

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What constitutes bare minimum AA for 3000 points?

Also plasma cannonade or autocannon deredeo?

>>51451856
If both those questions are for the same army, autocannon deredeo. Probably the best AA in the game.

>>51451892
Didn't someone do the math and say that the lascannon dread was actually more likely to blow up the flyer?

>>51451892

Is sunder really worth it over AP2?

>>51451850

Thanks anon. Still too pricey for me even with coupon personally, but I'm glad it worked out for you.

>>51448890
run it HH for a while, then time skip it to Black Crusade for max pathos

>>51451907
Sunder and more range. You'll kill from pure HP rather than fish for a 6.

>>51451900
Before jink:
1.3HP, ~11% chance to explode with dual LCs
3HP, with the autocannon

After jink:
0.7 HP, 5.4% to explode with dual LC
1.4HP with AC

>>51451900
Relying on explodes to kill a tank is bad idea especially at high points games.

>>51451985
What about on a regular Mortis? LC vs. AC.

>>51452255
I don't even have to run the numbers its worse than a deredeo.

>>51452280
Yes, but the question was what are the numbers on a regular Mortis with two TL LCs vs. a regular Mortis with two TL ACs. Not how they stack up against a Dorido.

How would you feel personally if I used an otherwise WAAC venerable dreadnought as a contemptor cortus?

>>51452588

>WAAC

I meant WYSIWYG, fuck

>>51452723
I'd be happy I have someone to play HH with.

>>51447628
Pretty cool dudes, the phoenix spear looks nice too.

>>51453133
Thanks man. Put it together using the 2h Axe arms from the Sanguinary Guard set, a DEldar sword, and the wing off a DAngels banner top.

Haywire works on zone mortalis doors right?

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5 DAYS

D
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>>51453455
dubs deny.

5 years

>tfw creeping death is pretty shitty
that said, DG veterans with combi-nades and snoipah in that ROW?
feels like it would be pretty effective at chunking infantry

>>51453563

All I know is DG almost always perform well in battle reports, even when losing.

>>51453455
5 days until Space Wolves are released and the TSons get nothing

>>51448158
Go for grey/black

does anyone know any recasters who do the MK2B land raider uograde kit, that aren't Z?

>>51451500
Scythes are great

>>51449253
>non-Terran humans barely survived old night
>thus do not have the technology to break power armour
That and aesthetics of millions of super humans walking towards you, killing the women, children and men, then the water then the ground so you have to be slaves in the 4th's manufactories

>>51454374
you had upwards to 4 million astartes and support stuff at the dropsite massacare, there's no way for 2 million people to split into fire teams and operate operationally into the enemy defenses. nor is it likely for the heresy forces to commit their dudes piecemeal (besides leaving some dudes on the boat to make sure no one steals the boat) in all the black book engagements I remember they commit whatever force they have and hope its enough, this results in the opening stages of most conflicts being large groups of muhrines tagging eachother, which is what makes HH fun and spamming tacticals fluffy. vets are cancer that is killing hh gaming.

>>51453463
This man is a liar!

>>51453455
DUBS OF TRUTH.

>>51449393
I never had idea what this picture is supposed to represent.

>>51449610
>>why didn't the Assyrians use their MBTs more often
>>why did the IJN not deploy long range sea launched AShMs against American carriers instead of using battleships
>>why the fuck did Vikings never use guns
>>holy shit those retarded Visigoths don't understand proper spacing why weren't they shredded by mortars

It's almost like the way modern armies fight are completely different to the way dudes with gladii fought. It's almost like Marines exist in an environment which is apparently much more hazardous than that endured by the armies of modernity.

The image of Marine doctrine that the art suggests is one of "clump up and walk at the objective whilst shooting".

This wouldn't pass muster against a modern 1st world army with its' surfeit of artillery. The armies of the future can presumably be more scary and capable than the armies of now. We're told, in fact, that they are.

Hmm. Maybe they shouldn't be depicted in the art work doing dumb shit that would make them painfully vulnerable to people who are supposedly vastly inferior?

It might make make them look horribly stupid instead of cool.

>>51451589
>>He thinks proof is un-neccessary and trust is never abused

You're a pure soul, unsullied by modern cynicism.

Get the fuck out of here, faggot.

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>>51454504

It's completly realistic, Space Marines were trained by Gungans.

>>51454504
you mean they shouldn't bunch up and charge at other marines (who the bolter is only marginally effective at stopping) or the auxila (who are worse then the marines in every way) or the admech where they need to bring their higher numbers to bear? or how about the xenos we meet during the great crusade - most who lack the artillery or are allowed to keep their big guns until its time to rip and tear every single living thing on the planet.

your own argument works against marines using a modern ROE as well. as its "very uncommon" for modern soldiers to engage a hostile planet and kill every single member of the dominant species in hand to hand - despite this being a common occurence in the great crusade. Even a technologically advanced species like the Lear were utterly destroyed within a month with their planet being taken in the same shape as it was found.

>>51451394

Only if you want to over accessorise your marines and only if you want to completely ignore the next part of the advice:

The advice given to me in general:

dudes dudes dudes. dudes dudes, dudes dudes dudes dudes.

Tactical Support squads are good with Volkites primarily, Melta and Plasma's are good but expensive.

I am re-reading some John French books, but what the fuck is up with him and the word clammy?

My hands are clammy.
My skin is clammy.
My clammy is clammy.

>>51453808
>5 days until Custards, SoS and Assassins are released and the Wolf Sons get nothing
FIFY

>>51454545
>>charging at people who you're going to trade 1:1 with because they're equal to you in capability and not achieving local superiority where possible like actual soldiers
>>charging at people who are worse but also way more numerous and therefore can absorb way more casualties and fix small units in place for all of their artillery
>>charging at the people who make Phosphex for fun, who make disposable RC cars out of swarms of Basilisks, and who think strapping huge energy weapons to every meatpuppet is a good idea
>>charging the aliens whose capabilities may be unknown.

ROE means Rules of Engagement which relates to the law of war. It's not synonymous with doctrine or strategy or operations or tactics. No one mentioned the ethics of FULL XENOCIDE, only the doctrinal stupidity implied on the part of the Marines in a lot of the HH art.

Not using your big guns until the only option is to destroy the planet with your big guns is stupid. Having only infantry and planet destroying big guns with nothing in between is also stupid.

My point, and the one you have missed, is that Space Marines conquering shit using fuck-stupid methods that'd get them eaten alive by some Yanks with M777s (like running forward into beaten fire zones en masse all nice and bunched up) makes the people they fight look retarded, and the Marines only marginally less retarded for beating them.

>>51454499
A bunch of marines walking up to the giant great unclean one costume where they fill it up to use as a puppet.

>>51454787
>>51454499
superior future warfighting completely incomprehensible to modern military thinking, of course

duh

what are you some sort of heretic?

>>51454532
that makes too or alternately no goddamn sense

and i don't know which

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>>51454818
>what are you some sort of heretic?
Well...

>>51454847
I lost

>>51449022
I was more thinking of you getting the vehicle for a turn while Decima keeps on running around doing stuff, since swapping your decent Archmagos out for an injured Predator is pretty much never a good idea. Non-walker probably good, too. Otherwise he could nab a Knight and suicide it into the enemy, and have it explode neatly on top of them. He can still do that, but first he needs to melee down a Fellblade or something.

>>51450794
Yea I get that, and it always comes out clean, but if I don't leave it in a whole day how long should I? Is 12 hours enough? As little as 1 hour? The stuff that comes with the models never says, just says to clean them and don't breathe the dust.

>>51454504
>the way dudes with gladii fought.

And as we know, 40k doesn't have tons of close combat weapons and units entirely based around close combat.

>This wouldn't pass muster against a modern 1st world army with its' surfeit of artillery.

I don't think even modern armies would drop artillery so close to themselves. You're forgetting that in many pieces of art the enemy is amidst the marine hordes or they're firing all around them, indicating that the enemy is very close (sometimes even peeking from the edges of the image). This isn't them charging over the horizon in formations, this is them in a melee with the enemy.

>Not using your big guns until the only option is to destroy the planet with your big guns is stupid.

What are you talking about? There's big guns on both sides. If you actually looked at the art, you'd see artillery fire coming from the marine side and big tanks and titans advancing with them.

Relying on just air and artillery units with little to no ground forces hasn't won modern armies any wars. And, again, it's a setting where close combat is a very viable option. You keep forgetting that.

>My point, and the one you have missed, is that Space Marines conquering shit using fuck-stupid methods that'd get them eaten alive by some Yanks with M777s

I'd say it's stupid for modern armies not to heavily invest in more power weapons and chainswords, because they're not gonna be a match to any 40k armies with such shit performance in close combat.

You just assume the Marines massing on the enemy position haven't already bombed the shit out of them and/or haven't taken out their artillery and air support off screen.

>>51449510
Fresh Coast Gaming
https://www.youtube.com/user/freshcoast40kcom/videos

Do you think anyone would object to making a 1d4chan page for Anacharis Scoria and adding in some Mathhammer for the Primarchs and similar? Seems like he's badass enough for one, but I'm not experienced with editing there.

>>51455479

You don't even need an hour to clean and scrub FW resin in warm soapy water.

Non-FW resin? no idea.

>>51455829

Stop bothering with the fuckwit anon.

This guy sounds EXACTLY like the GM of my last Only War campaign who would've actually just been happy with us sitting there telling him we were letting the artillery squads deal with everything all session for multiple sessions on end.

>>51456559
Sounds like it should be a maid RPG with a little artillery sprinkled in there. At least you can be plesant to each other while the shells fall.

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I just finished tooling up my count-as warsmith, can't wait to paint him put later this week

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>>51456772
T-this is bait right guys?
I don't think I could handle this not being bait.

Which primarch would you want to have been best friends with and possibly turned into a pseudo marine with?

>>51456793

I don't know Anon, I would hope so.
More Magic Pain Glove Time I suppose.

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>>51456793
Huh? I get that there's a strong "lol age of hail sigmar" view of stormcast eternals around here, but I think I sufficiently converted the model to make it fit into 30k, or at least so it looks fine in is Iron Warrior environment,

>>51456816
Angron

>>51456829
no

you didn't

>>51456772
Change the head and arms and it won't be so recognisable

>>51456772
>>51456793
>>51456829

Yes, this is bait, don't worry about it.

>>51456816
Pertuabo so i can carry his and Magnus' books whilst they get it on in that cave

>>51456870
And the torso.

The legs too.

>>51456816
Khan, only Primarch with any common sense whatsoever and WS actually get to have fun.

>>51456816
Russ. So I can fix things before he kills someone who did nothing wrong.

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Has anyone measured the size of Tartaros pauldrons?
I need it today for purposes, but the BoP order arrives tomorrow.

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>>51456772
>>51456829
waht the fug

>>51456941
But Russ didn't kill anyone who did nothing wrong.

>>51456793
The funny thing is that Stormcast Eternals could make decent Space marines if they were sympathetically converted and painted in a 'you gain brouzouf' way. That's not a great example but I think you could do it, probably wouldn't make terrible Custodes either.

Also, the marines you made that way might look cool but still wouldn't be HH sympathetic.

>>51456816
Lion. Practically speaking, his geneseed is very stable and high-quality. The first legion also get access to more nice toys. Lastly I get to avoid the Siege of Terra.

>>51456933
This is probably the most sane answer.

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>>51456997
>I get to avoid the Siege of Terra.
This isn't a good thing anon, why would you say it is?

>>51456972
>But Russ didn't kill anyone who did nothing wrong.
I know were memeing but I dont think Russ actually killed anyone did he?

>>51457125
>sips tea
Your move peasant. Interesting how GW has two people in high places whose ancestors were important to the development of the British nation

>>51456772
That's hideous.

>>51457112
Magnus escaped at the end by accepting Tzeench deal, him killing the two unknown primarch is merely speculation and other primarch's implications.

>>51457280
I doubt Russ did that. A short story about Malcador trying to disband the remainder of the Blood Angels legion said that when this is done, a special black scroll is delivered to the legion to be disbanded. If you gave Russ a special scroll to deliver he'd probably just eat it.

>>51456692

Maybe it should've been. Dude really ruined a great system for me for a while, put a lot of effort into making the chimera that our squad had only for every corner I drove round magically had multiple rebel Lascannon emplacements that had miraculously not been destroyed and were all conveniently looking at that exact corner.

Yeah we bailed on that shortly afterwards.

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only five alphariuses until the weekende-

>>51456772
>>51456829

oh fucking jesus why

>>51457309
That's why I said speculation and implications,, the true of it all is that I'll remain forever a mystery because of the "make your own legion" deal.

>>51457418
>I'll
Fuck, It'll, I'm definitely not a primarch of one of the two lost legions that never existed, stop asking!!!

>>51447987
>Did any Marines suffer from primarch based psychosis during the Heresy?
The WE obviously count, right?

>>51457411
It's a good job that HH7 is coming soon to bring a golden age of friendly jokes and constructive criticism, where not a single post comes by without an image of a fresh painted model, and there are 3-4 battle reports per thread.

>>51457544
Only up to ten.

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Schedule in high quality, Saturday

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>>51457724
Sunday.

Hang on to your butts because we're not getting a shred of >>51457548

>>51457738
Oh damn, people just get to show up to the Titanicus thing?

Somebody better go and get us some info!

>when your models are stuck in USPS hell

[autistic commiefornia screeching]

They departed a town that's only 1 hour away. But that was Friday and there's been nothing since.

My magnets from Tennessee showed up before my Mk IV from Washington!

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>>51457566

>>51457833
I know these feels.

>>51456539
This does, indeed, change everything. Thanks anon.

>>51456816
I would love to do space wizard shit with Magnus

Working on Scoria's wiki page at the moment. Anything in particular you want on there, guys?

>>51456816
I'd love to chill With Magnus gathering the remaining relics of the Old Earth from across the galaxy. Probably die to the yiffs in the end or be a robot but oh well.

>>51457724
>ordo sinister
Is this assassins?

>>51457738
>The Specialist Games team host a special preview participation game of the forthcoming Adeptus Titanicus, using full-sized Titans and Knights.
>full-sized
>full-sized
>full-sized
Oh myyyyyyy.

>>51458234
Nope, it's 12 imperator titans at the same time.

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4 more Legions to go my diorama.

>>51458265
Imperator rules confirmed?
>>51458255
Imperator MODEL confirmed??

>>51458283
Sallies and Fists at the back, SW and WE at the front?

>>51458291
>the real reason for HH7 being delayed so much isn't because of SW and TS being divergent, or Custard creams being hard to balance

>it's because they wanted to go SUPRISE MOTHERFUCKER with an imperator
What a time to be alive.

>>51458291
>>51458341
FW has said the biggest model they'll ever make is the Warlord, and they're surprised they've managed to sell 100+.

>>51458312
UM top left but I'm really iffy about putting ultras in mk 3. I think I might get rid of the UM shoulder pad and make him a Fist.

>>51458283
>non-MkIII torso
>Tartaros helmet

>>51454421
>you had upwards to 4 million astartes and support stuff at the dropsite massacare
There were 2 million marines in the whole galaxy at a given time. 2.5 million at best
100,000 (average) * 20 legions = 2 million marines.

Here on earth more people died in WW2 than the number of marines in the whole galaxy, even when mass recruited from several hunders of thousands of worlds and with their Primarchs to allow for mass induction and gene-flaw corrections.

In 40k it is said there are about 1000 chapters of 1000 marines each, so about one marine to protect one world (Iron Warriors style). And there are 1 million Imperial worlds, more or less.

>>51458393
Necessity begets invention, sadly the tech marine capable of this died a week after.

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>>51458283
And the rest in various stages.
>>51458393
The WE has obviously been scavenging. Did you not notice the mangled hand? I was inspired by that mid heresy WE in white and maroon. He's been through some shit.

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>>51456559
>This guy sounds EXACTLY like the GM of my last Only War campaign who would've actually just been happy with us sitting there telling him we were letting the artillery squads deal with everything all session for multiple sessions on end.
Oh well, ride the Ironfire we shall :^)

>>51458283
>helmet crest on the backpack
>GEE BILLY TWO PAULDRONS on the right shoulder
Sorry, but I don't think that works.

Also, isn't that ultramarine wearing his legion badge on the wrong side?

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>>51458371
>I'm really iffy about putting ultras in mk 3
As you wish.
It's not as if they did Testudo better than the Fists, or as if they actually had troops with scutum and gladius.

>>51458255
They've been doing this at Adepticon for years.

>>51458291
Probably for Adeptus Titanicus. 28mm Imperator is the new plastic Thunderhawk.

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>>51457724
>>51457738
>You will never get to go to a HH Weekender

Why wasn't I born into money

>>51447628
Had the idea for the SangGuard jump packs too, but always wondered how they'd look with just one wing, yknow, for heraldry. Was also gonna cannibalize the haloed death mask heads for a unit of sun killers, because I like the solar halo imagery and the sculpted masks for that unit.

>>51459090
why don't poor people just buy more money

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>>51459229

>>51459166
I would love to field a unit of sunkillers but they are so fucking expensive pointwise.

>>51458283
Where's that aquila torso from? I don't recognise it.

>>51459090
>study
>get a good job

it's not hard people

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>>51459229
Good question.

>>51459338
Sternguard kit. It has a stupid bullet casing and a skull on a chain that I had to snip off.

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>>51459348
True. It also doesn't happen overnight either. That's why I'm >>51447628
stuck using GW kits for all of my units+conversions rather than getting FW kits

>>51459466
Cheers.The conversion looks good.

>>51458586
I think some armour in DoW II had shoulderpad like that.

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KYYYYYYYYYYYYMMME.

>>51459166
I thought about doing the single-wing, but they look lopsided without the pair. The MkIV backpack is already pretty large, so a single wing throws off the visual balance of the model.

>>51456816
Khan. He is total bro. Vulkan also.
Gulliman and Horus are ok.

Rest of them are or too edgy, or to bitter or too autistic, or all of the above.

Mostly finished Scoria's 1d4chan page. He's tricky to mathhammer for thanks to his Machinator Array and FnP, ever Primarch with Murderous Strike takes forever. Did Angron and Mortarion, left the rest for later.

>>51459741
Khan is only a bro if you accept that Chogorian culture is better in every way than Terran culture, forever.

>>51459741
Guilliman was a sperg who had no friends, the other primarchs he considered to be friends despised him.

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>>51459714

>>51459486
Well what is your job? Surely you can afford something from Forge World, once in a while?

>>51459875
I'm a teacher's assistant while I'm finishing my degree. Not exactly an extravagant living.

>>51457148
>Interesting how GW has two people in high places whose ancestors were important to the development of the British nation
Wait, what? Who?

>>51459926
How much do you spend on miniatures per month?

>>51459926
I'm a teacher and I can agree that if I get paid like shit, then this poor tosser gets paid sweet fuck all.

UK or US?

>>51458370
If they make an Imperator they will sell the same number or more.

>>51460086
Like, $100 every 2-4 months. When I make purchases, I have to make them last.

>>51460150

An Imperator would be at least $3000 pounds without weapons.

>>51460212
An Imperator isn't that much bigger than the warlord, just with a castle, 6 turrets instead of two and bastion feet.

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>>51459714
Hey come on.
Naming an entire legion after the ravens, led by primarch "It's So Raven!" is fucking ASKING FOR Poe's The Raven references.

And a few here and there are nice.

Also, "Raven Guard" is a stupid name, especially begause ravens don't need guardians and they make shitty guardians themselves, not to mention the word "Guard" is usually asociated with regular humans.

"Death Guard" is also a shitty name, but at least they have a literal bodyguard unit and we have instances of them wading through phosphex (the AP2 kind), and taking autocanon shots to the ribs and keeping on fighting.

Meanwhile, that's just ravens dying to not-AP3 weaponry. Sadness.

>>51459335
Yeah, but 9 lascannons SHOULD be expensive. And tempting.

9 lascannons. IX. Nine.

>>51460259

It's supposed to be half as big again. The Imperator is the biggest of all the 'Line' Titans.

>>51460259
>An Imperator isn't that much bigger than the warlord, just with a castle
Would you agree that a castle is taller than a grassland with no castle on it?

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>>51460274
It's supposed to be the biggest of the big. The big guy of Titans.

>>51460274
That's because it's got fortified high heels and a castle, the body itself isn't much bigger.

>>51460212
And a warlord body is 900. If you are willing to spend 900 pounds on what is ultimately a toy you are probably willing to spend 3000 pounds on a toy.

>>51460306

If you think FW won't increase the body size for the Imperator in Titanicus to make it noticeably bigger, you've got it coming. And it needs to be bigger, as >>51460303 points out. It has 4 Warlord grade weapons on its castle, and needs the space to fit them all.

>>51460303
Wait a second, the calf-bastions have a cannon?
Listen, Knight suits I can understand: it's you in a big robot that you can control as if you were wearing it, Dexter-style.
Even Warhound titans make a tiny bit of sense, I guess.

But there's a time where you have to say "it'd be dumb to make something this big human-shaped and expect it to walk on a planet. EVEN if we're all humanity-fuck-yeah".

We don't surpass 2.5 m tall for a good reason.

>>51460336

iirc, it only really had one Titan-grade weapon on it's castle, the defence laser. There were a load of smaller artillery pieces that acted in unison as a second, and a ton of smaller cannon for defence. Other than that it had the arm weapons and a ton of assorted anti-infantry bolter/multi-laser/autocannon... as well as ports for the infantry aboard to fire from.

>>51460273
I mean yeah but for their cost they are fairly useless.
>9 BS 4 lascannons with no special rules
>9 T4 3+ wounds
>Cost like 400 points or something insane like that
I don't mind the point cost per say but I feel like by taking them I am seriously gimping my army. I mean for the 40 points less I could field 10 palatine blades with phoenix spears, and sonic shriekers.

>>51460395

The Hellstorm, Vengeance and Plasma Annihilator weapons on its arms are far, far bigger and nastier than any weapon a Warlord could carry.

>>51460432
Yes. All those cardboard tokens could paper-cut you to death, I guess.

Epic: Micromanagement edition!

>>51460451

Titanicus should be interesting, as it seems there are zero tokens at all.

>>51460109
US. Working in the education field is suffering (in terms of money)

>>51460385
>We don't surpass 2.5 m tall for a good reason.
Manlets, when will they learn?

>>51460480
They were really into the cardboard in Titan Legions. Every unit had a cardboard unit-card and there were tons of little tokens for gameplay.

They'll probably use order dice instead, ala Bolt Action.

>>51460504

They could do worse than to life an idea or two from Bolt Action.

One way or another, I look forward to finding out what Titanicus is like in a week's time.

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Hey anons, which bit should I use for drilling bolters? These four seem like they'd do the job, but I'm not sure which to use. Probably a dumb question, but I'd just like to see if any of you had an opinion before I started.

>>51460553
#2

>>51460553
Start with the smallest and work your way up until you like the bore size.

>>51460577
Thanks mate.

>>51460599
Oh, that's a good point, actually.

>>51460385
Don't forget the dick cannon.

It won't save you against Warhounds with harpoons, but you can try.

I just want FW to make a Lucius warlord (just needs an alternative armour plating and head) and maybe an option for landing platforms for the shoulders. Maybe even the ability to mount some heavy AA guns on there.

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>>51460499
Of all primarchs, only Magnus surpasses 8 feet tall.
And he seems to be having back problems ;^)

>>51454714
I think the whole massive wave assault fetish makes sense if you presume the existence of mobile void shields etc. that can cover an advance up to a given objective - once you get within bolter range, the threat posed by artillery is nullified and you'll end up with the type of close range firefight that 7-foot power armoured supermen excel at.

Of course this doesn't stand up to any scrutiny from a planetary assault perspective and has no grounding in fluff.

>>51460577
>>51460599
>>51460611
Number 3 actually works perfectly!

>>51459816
That's bullshit and you know it

>>51460776
I think!

If we suspended our disbelief and operated under the impression that for each civilization and or planet to be capable of putting up stiff resistance they must have obtained an analogue to some universal grade of technological capacity or equivalent.

In essence, to have an interstellar civilization one must have the capacity for interplanetary travel and within a fairly dangerous universe they must also have means of defending themselves from extraplanetary threats.

Means of withstanding or limiting the effects of orbital bombardments, means of posing a threat to orbital threats.

Bear in mind that the purpose of the crusade was to unify humanity and destroy aliens. Human worlds rife with technology that YOU need to reclaim.

Power armor and physical enhancements would only have use if you HAD to PHYSICALLY enter into spaces that required you be able to withstand Forces that would have made it traditionally too costly to do so.

Super soldiers enable traditionally cost inefficient avenues of warfare to be pursued.

>>51461248
>Super soldiers enable traditionally cost inefficient avenues of warfare to be pursued.
This.
Let's not forget many worlds complied peacefully after negotiations, many weren't even space-faring civilizations, and those who had to be forced into compliance were mostly captured by the Imperial army and SA.

Marine intervention were a matter of need after initial attempts using regular mortal tactics had failed, rather than marine availability.

>>51460776
Maybe. But marines would never footslog though the plains or valleys.
Marines are a shock unit, they simply don't travel by foot.
The initial arrival to a planet is almost always by drop pod, some even teleport into command bunkers and outflank the enemy armies, who are obviously using napoleonic formations for some reason.

Marines only walk in cityfights, and that only after abandoning their drop pods.

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>Imperial Fists, 2000 Points, Pride of the Legion

HQ:
>Preator
Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Teleportation Transponder. 180 Points

Elites:
>Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
x2 Powerfists, 165 Points
>Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
x2 Multi-Meltas, 155 Points

Troops:
>Legion Tactical Squad
x10 Marines, Legion Vexilla, Rhino, Powerfist, Artificer Armor, 195 Points

>Legion Tactical Squad
x10 Marines, Legion Vexilla, Rhino, Powerfist, Artificer Armor, 195 Points

>Legion Tactical Squad
x10 Marines, Legion Vexilla, Rhino, Power Sword, Melta Bombs Artificer Armor, 195 Points

>Legion Terminator Squad
x10 Terminators, x10 Power Fists, x5 Vigil Pattern Storm Shields, Teleportation Transponder, 465 Points

Heavy Support:
>Heavy Support Squad
x10 Lascannons, Agury Scanner, 450 Points

Think I need to drop some points really anywhere to get enough points for a fortification. Maybe something cheap like a Defense Line or the Trench.

>>51457781
I'm going and I'll try to report back after each night.

There were loads of questions to ask from /tg/ but I lost the thread before saving any so I'll just report on what I hear/ see I guess.

>>51461373
>Pride of the Legion
>3 tactical squads
I'm confused.

>>51461373
Requires your compulsory troops be vets or termies

>>51461394
Well, didn't you say we could leave questions in a place? I forget.

I just want to know if Scoria's coming and whether he works on Mortarion.
Benefit of playing Mechanicum is that I get something shiny in most new books.

>>51461513
I'm more confused by the fact that he only has 1 terminator/veteran squad, which does not fill the requirements of PotL. And seeing that he has 2 Elite slots left, he could just as well have the terminators as Elites and not suffer from any of the limitations associated with PotL.

>>51461513
>>51461632
>>51461567

You're right, I initially had a vet squad but dropped it for a tac squad so the bolter boys could have a rhino each.

>>51461753
Even if one tactical squad became veterans I'm still not seeing the advantage of Pride Of The Legion. Veteran tacticals and terminators are scoring anyway (Implacable Advance) so the only thing the RoW is doing is giving away bonus victory points if those units die.

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This is listed as scatter terrain on the Warhammer World site. AT soon

>>51461845
Isn't that a dead Warhound?

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>>51461885
Yes, that is correct. How observant of you.

>>51461988
Wew sorry.
I just thought you were saying "AT soon" as if they were going to release AT-AT walkers, like those the IH saved the UM from at Gardinaal.

>>51461787
Oh, I forgot about that! Thanks man, you're absolutely right. Dropping the Rite then, but any advice on where to drop some points to get a fortification? I was thinking dropping melta bombs or vexilla and rhino on the third tac squad to make them objective sitters, and getting a Wall of Martyr's Imperial Defense Emplacement.

>reading Gav Thorpe's latest questions-from-readers thing
>someone asks if the 'Nevermore' sub-title to Corax is a reference to Egar Allen Poe or if they're just seeing things

I swear to god that better be some top-tier trolling.

He also says that in his view the Lion Helm is obviously not the Lion's actual helm, but 10K of fragmentary history will result in that kind of mistake.
I guess the modern DA aren't aware that their leader was a factor bigger than them?

>>51462048
Drop two lascannon dudes, get the Imperial Bunker. 8 fire points and AV14. It can also have an ammo dump to make the guns of the occupants TL.

>>51461845

Does that mean that if we get Plastic Titans for AT, they'll be the Boxy Lucius pattern?

>>51462287
I imagine they'll do both, so luciboos can finally appreciate the superiority of the First and Master of Forge Worlds.

>>51462327
I want moar Anvillus stuff.

>>51462374

Did Anvillus make Titans? I thought Anvillus only made Land Raiders.

>>51462396
>Anvillus only made Land Raiders.

Wait, why does it say Anvillus made the first Land Raider if the blueprints were found on Mars? Did they just sit on those plans until Anvillus was united with the Imperium before any forces got to use the Land Raider?

>>51449628
Yeah wtf is with MWG these days...I feel that not only has their videos become shitter...but their armies are all half painted and rushed looking.

>>51462497

No, the old fluff is very firm that the land Raider is a martian invention. But Anvillus was the number one production centre for it. It made Land Raiders and only Land Raiders, and pretty much 80% or so of all land Radiers in the Imperium came from Anvillus.

> The popularity of the Land Raider in Imperial forces was nothing short of overwhelming. A whole forge world, Anvilus 9, was turned over entirely to the production of Land Raiders and the design spread throughout the galaxy with the Emperor's fleets.
>At that time, the Land Raider was used by almost every human force, including the Space Marines and the Imperial army. There was not a battlefield in the first two hundred years of the Imperium that had not tested the mettle of this awesome war engine. Then the Warmaster Horus virus bombed Istvaan V and the Great Heresy engulfed the galaxy. Anvilus 9 was overrun by renegade Techpriests at the outset of the Heresy, and production of the Land Raider was suddenly reduced to a trickle from a handful of forge worlds still loyal to the Emperor's rule.
>With the Warmaster's forces threatening to overrun Terra, the Emperor decreed that all Land Raiders still in loyalist service were to be recalled for exclusive use by the Legionnes Astartes, who were at the forefront of the fighting.

>>51459229
They can't afford it, so they have to sell their money for less money.

>>51462396
And dreadclaws. And, according to lexicannum, mars alpha pattern warlord titans.

>>51461614
Yeah i said people could make a paste bin for the questions but it never happened .

>posting from my mobile so no trip

>>51462545
>This planet is most known for being entirely devoted to the production of Land Raiders during the Great Crusade, and was set to this purpose due to the huge demand of the vehicles among Imperial forces. It created the first Land Raider, the Land Raider Proteus.
>created the first Land Raider

>>51462997
Ask if word Bearers should be allowed to take Pyromancy from Burning Lore.

Why can't any HQ take inferno pistols or Hand Flamers.

Should Delegatus and Heralds count as elegible for Burning Lore?

Should Heralds lose the Support Officer rule?

>>51463045
Land was famous for re-discovering them.

>>51462396
>>51462497
>>51462545
>>51463045

It's Land's Raider you imbeciles.

>>51449510
Good tier
Geeks 40k
WW40k
the 30k channel

Meh tier
MWG (steve/Matt)

Shit tier
Beards of war
MWG (all other)
Cover Slaves
A lot more, really

>>51449628
Ash is great, it's just he barely makes any HH videos.
I don't blame him for dropping 40k, but... you look at the views difference, you think he could throw a little more time to slightly more popular games

>>51463045
>Proteus
Wasn't this a DAoT invention?
Anvillus must have been a manufacturing world since before the crusade and some Anvillus built LR were chilling on Mars during the entire Age of Strife.

>>51449911
> fat fuck
Which one. There are a lot of fat fucks over there

>>51463187
The really obese one.

>>51449961
The hiring of Quirk was the beginning of the end of quality at MWG.

>>51462997
What force org slot should Siege tyrants be and when can we expect models, if there are already plans then his different is their termie armour

>>51463203
Who is this Quirck, when I watched it was twinkboi Matt and Dave I think with all the CSM and that series where a plasma gun guy becomes a prince

>>51459940
Rountree who began the pension, sick leave and free school meals. Rhodes strode the world like a colossus, and it feared him.
Also people are trying to preserve the statue by saying he was gay so he's an LGBT icon and blacks should stop being so oppressive

>>51460884
Do you even read the forgeworld books. It's literally on his page. Although it does make you sad for him he had no friends even Sanguinius rebuked him

>>51463108
>Good tier
>Geeks 40k
Ill check them out

>the 30k channel
they look good but they arent very good at the game and dont really know what theyre doing

>>51456867
This

>>51463348

I just read everything about him in the FW books, and never once did it say that.

Any bits store that sells MkII armour bits?

>>51463720
Forgeworld does.

>>51463200
> the really obese one
Once again, which one.
Dave and quirk- not fat
Matt- fat
All others- obese.

>>51463720
Not till they release a plastic kit or FW starts being sold at trade.

>>51463754
Well do link, because all I can find are legion specific bits. I want bits from the actual MkII armour kit.

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I need to learn how to thin my paints

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>got 3 resin contemptors in their FW bag with 10 different arms, all magnetized, for $50

I don't know if this dude was getting divorced but christ what a lucky day.

>>51463773
I can find FW bits in various bits stores, but none of them carry MkII suits.

>>51463288
A skinny little fuck with a Mohawk. It looks ridiculous.
His literal job is to plan 3 or 4 games (two of which have the same fucking rules, one of them has 4 pages of rules), and he refuses to learn the rules, and takes some wierd pride in getting them wrong

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>>51463789
It's phosphex time!

>>51463811
Strip and try again

>>51463811
The back is eh, but acceptable. The front is KILL IT WITH SIMPLE GREEN