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Shitposting and cummies edition

>>51356377
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>faggot is forcing memes
wow it's like i'm back on /b/
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>>51360897
Fucking trannies
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nth for the Emperor protects!
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Rate this shit
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So its me, the LatD guy. Do I need some real 1337 skillz with the greenstuff to use it properly? I mean, its Khorne, and Im not really sure what kind of mutations he bestows on his faithful.
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>>51360868

Remember when people thought moving the story forward would be a good idea?
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>>51360897
Stop.
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>>51360922
I'm much more interested in those salt water aquariums than the board.
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>>51360897
is that one of those degenerate abhumans the emperor was talking about?
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So how much of a buff would it be if all Battlesuits, including Stealth,Crisis, Broadside and Hazard, were made into Walkers with the current scaling of AV?
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>>51360931
>tranny
>Jewish
>apostematic hair
how can someone be a walking stereotype THIS MUCH
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>>51360931
he looks like hed be decent in a fight 2bh. he probably played football in highschool, hes built like a linebacker. guess the concussions got to his head.
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>>51360922
that ghetto as fuck homie
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>>51360940
Yeah, thirteen years ago when moving the story forward was directly tied to what the players themselves did.

At the very least they'll probably keep 40k's setting and factions around. Once burned twice shy, as they say.
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>>51360942
My friend said it's about 100 gallons, all kinds of nifty shit in there. I'll take a picture of it some time. Got corals n shit, clown fish, sea anemoneas?, shrimpers, some kind of snails that live in the soil and emerge when you feed the tank, uh... and other nifty shit.
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>>51360957
if stealth suits become vehicles, then so do space marines.
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>>51360981
>Jewish
Nope, it's Wiccan. Vastly superior stereotype.
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>>51360868
>tranny feigning interest in a mostly male community so he doesn't have to compete with biological females edition
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>>51360940
Swimming through an ocean of piss in the hopes of a better tomorrow beats squatting on the island of shit for eternity.
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>>51360868
>cummies edition
>literally one of the last posts
>not something that was relevant in any way, shape or form to the conversations of the last thread
it's like you ain't even tryin nigga
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>>51360931

"""girl""" power
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>>51361019
>implying theres a difference
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>>51360937
Please be of help.
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>>51360868
So I haven't been playing 40k recently. Been playing 30k.

What are the top netlists these days? Is it still Wraithdar and Riptide Wings? I hear CUlt Mech had some sort of trick and there was a new Space Marine Super Friend list but I don't know what it entails.

Anyone care to enlighten me on what the 'top' lists are that I'll have to face with my eventual return?
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>>51360996
Neither of us are particularly rich so we kinda just use whatever the hell is lying around as terrain. Once I get my credit card sorted I plan on investing in some kind of mat that we can draw on and fuck around with.
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>>51361007
This is now tank general. Show us that tank
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>>51360897
Get a trip so I can filter you
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>>51361083
beats all this shitposting cummies and transfaggotry

POST THAT TANK NIGGER
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>>51361041
>Inventing stupid meaningless rules for a Limey toy soldiers thread on a Taiwanese puppet show website.
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>>51360957
Keep Broadside and below as (Jump) Infantry. Make Ghostkeel and above vehicles. Keeping a mechanical monstrosity like the Riptide a "creature" is more nonsensical than having some suits be vehicles and others not.

While you're at it, make Wraithknights vehicles, too. The bigger Wraith titans are already vehicles.

Add a superheavy vehicle damage chart, as well as damage charts for monsters and gargantuans.
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>>51361120
>making up retarded names for an imagboard
was this ever funny
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>>51361078
All things considered the paintjobs on those minis are pretty solid. Might not be too flashy or anything, but back when I played at a local store it would have gotten compliments.
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>>51361134
top WEW
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>>51361134
Cancerous (reconstructed) cunt
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>>51361134
Nah, wanna see fishys and stuff.

Also, playing CSM. Are bikes a worthwile investment?
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>>51361122
Mmm...jump infantry broadsides. Gotta love /tg/ game balance department.
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>>51361120
>I payed no attention to the last general thread and just want to funnel conversation into my last-minute posts
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>>51361122

Anything above the Stealth Suit would have wounds or hull points given they're essentially Walkers.

Plus it'd be a buff to the Crisis and Broadside as they'd no longer have to worry about Leadership and STR 8, AP 2 wouldn't be insta-killing them.
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>>51361078
Honestly, a seeing a bit of creativity chucking household crap together to make terrain is more interesting than seeing pre bought stuff
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Anyone want some unprovable / unsourceable (I won't tell) Gathering Storm Information? Or rather specifically how it ends? All of it?
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>>51361172
Why?
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>>51361208

Go ahead and post man, it beats the tranny shit
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>>51361194
It's literally that tranny pictured shilling for itself.
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>>51361208
go on
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>>51361185
>Keep
>(Jump)
Use some common sense, dipshit.
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>>51361208
Do it.
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>>51361195
Centurions should be walker too by that logic.
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>>51361195
>Plus it'd be a buff to the Crisis and Broadside
no it wouldn't

Vehicles don't have armour saves. They'd be limited to drones and shields.

And S8 would auto pen.
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>>51361240

Exactly. In fact, I don't see why they weren't.
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>>51361230
I know they've been doing it for years. It was stupid back then, too.
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>>51361279
It was funny the first time
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>>51361122
>more fucking damage charts

Yeah, that'll fix the game, you meme.
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>>51360937
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Hello /tg/

So I've generally been getting shot to pieces while playing Grey Knights. My main opponents are Tau/IG/SM and while once I'm in combat I have a field day I rarely manage to get there with that many models. Even deep-striking that one turn of shooting in horrific.

So, new plan. Kaldor, Four Libs and Five Terminators start on the board alongside the Strike squad. Get Invisibility/Veil of time and any other buffs up, Gate to the otherside of the board and cause havok with an unhittable/killable unit and 18+ psychic dice.

Dreadknights can deep strike in after using the homer. While the Strike squad guards an objective.

Thoughts?
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>>51361248

>And S8 would auto pen.

Depends on what the AV is.

Since AV can't, and shouldn't for any reason, go below 10, it might actually be harder to take them out with it.
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>>51360937
he just makes them angrier m8
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>>51361105
Won't be able to for another 2 hours when I head to my friend's place to play some PSO. He's currently taking that old rhino and making it combat ready. If it was in the picture anyway.
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>>51361306
Swap a libarian for Crowe and watch as swarms of Guard and Tau fall in CC
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>>51361195
I said keep Crisis and Broadside as Infantry, because they're small enough for the organic component to be significant and the original design justification for not making Walkers is still an issue.
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>>51361299
basic plebs won't be super mutated

if you're bad with greenstuff, you can pilfer the AoS marauder equivalents for bits (like the flesh hound face)
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>>51361279
It's sometimes funny to remind somebody to not take this place so seriously.

When it's used by somebody to deflect from criticizing them, it's painfully obvious and not at all funny.
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>>51361339

>the original design justification for not making
Walkers is still an issue.

Is that even still an issue with walkers being like they are in the current edition?
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>>51361148
My models need a lot of work, my friend's Nurgle/CSM stuff are pretty good.
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>>51361328
>Since AV can't, and shouldn't for any reason, go below 10
why shouldn't it? Making crisis suits almost entirely immune to small arms fire would be retarded. They're only T4.
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>>51361231
>>51361222
>>51361210


Primarch returning: Roboute Guilliman.
Not fully healed from his wound, mobile life support system, read: Gigantic ornate Dreadnought.



How it ends: Eventually, Roboute heads to Terra, where he enters the throne room. He is disgusted by the Imperium and knows this is not what the Emperor wanted for Mankind. As the Prince of the Imperium and Son of the Emperor the Custodes do not stop him, as he removes the Emperor from the Golden Throne.

End.

M42 begins.
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>>51361354
didn't yuo know the internet is serious business
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>>51361328
8 will glance on a 2+, and the suits will not get an armor save.
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>>51361296
I'd rather just give MC/GC's degrading statlines like AoS has. Vehicles should keep a damage chart in the current style. There's nothing wrong with damage charts as a part of game design.
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>>51361365
Yesterday, Cypher. Today, this. Stop making shit up my dude.
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>>51361170
If I recall, bikers are one of the key components of CSM armies. Since I'm not using grav, my friend's Nurgle bikers are a royal pain in my ass.
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>>51361363
Eh its not that bad could use a couple washes on the robe and a highlight or 2 but could be worse
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>>51361364

>why shouldn't it?

I'm not buying for one second that a Crisis or Broadside isn't as sturdy, if not sturdier, than an Ork Trukk or Eldar War Walker.
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>>51361365
FUCKING LOL
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>>51361221
I noticed. I'm blowin' this shitshow. Wake me up when the shill is gone, anon.
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>>51361007
>>51361078
I was planning to take pictures of the game I had the other day but it turned out to be a really uninteresting one for pictures.

The forces of GURGLE THE WASHED OUT vs some Necrons.
I hadn't really had the chance to to fight necrons before so I wanted to test how powerful they were. He had this huge unit of 6 or something wraiths and I charged my GUO, Nurgle prince, my herald, my soul grinder AND huge squad of plaguebearers right in to them.

I shat on their statline with debuffs from grotti, miasma, enfeeble and other Nurgle powers. about 1000 points of models plus ALL my psychic dice... and they fucking WON.
3++ and a 4+ reanimation rerolling ones (only reduced to a 5+ vs instant death), how the FUCK am I meant to beat that?!
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>>51361388

Take a screencap to show me how wrong I wasn't in a few months time.
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>>51361365
I want the dreadnought rumour to be true so bad. A bigass plastic dreadnought would be the only retarded centerpiece I'd ever buy for my army.

>>51361399
I mean, if you want 50-point crisis suits before weapons, sure.
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>>51361379

Yes, but if it was STR 8, AP2, they wouldn't be getting a save anyway.
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>>51361306
You'll fail to get both Veil and Invisibility sometimes, and the actual offensive output of that unit is going to be pretty lackluster. Plus nobody likes playing against unkillable death stars.
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>>51361376
Epic meme my friend, good job shitting up /tg/ with your ""humour""!
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>>51361201
I mean we do get a kick out of it. Our original plan was to build stuff out of the legos and then paint them in to whatever we were using them for like buildings, walls, objectives, etc.
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>>51361433
Robute girlyman was replaced with Omegon
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>>51361330
I know that much, but no mutations at all? Actually better for me, Im shit at GS. I guess I`ll just scrap off the aquillas and paint them red and brass, right? Probably leave some green here and there, to show that its painted, and poorly while we`re at it.

>>51361343
Yeah, but its like a IG regiment who turned on the imperium after being left for dead and just went on a rampage. But they are not like 100% khornate, they still use their flashlight and chimeras,dont just charge in like a buch of madmen. Apart from few... others, who just get the chainsword/axe from the maruader sets.
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>>51361365
AGE OF GILLIMAN
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>>51361429
Who says it has to be AP2? What about S7? Glances 3+, pens 4+ but most of it is AP4.
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>>51361425

>I mean, if you want 50-point crisis suits before weapons, sure.

Who says they have to jump in price?
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>>51361445
lol newfag
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>>51361185
You do realize that Jump doesn't give Relentless. So you're still limited to Move (and Snapshoot) or Shoot.
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>>51361451
>I guess I`ll just scrap off the aquillas and paint them red and brass, right?
yeah, you're good bro

>>51361466
Anyone with a brain? There is a MASSIVE difference between a T4, 2W model and an AV10 jump walker.
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>>51361451
not really. he basically makes people more and more super fucking mad until eventually they're so angry they become seriously angry demon princes
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What do you think of my homebrew rules for the Gland Hounds of Fabius Bile?

Proto-New Humans that hunt Astartes for their GeneSeed.
Not as good as Marines obviously but able to swarm them.
From a rules standpoint they are Nurgle Cultists with Fearless, Flak armour and offensive perks.
12 pts makes them equal to Scions and only a little cheaper than Marines.
Champion is a bit better just for value and fluff.


Gland Hounds - 120 pts

Gland Hound - WS4 BS3 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 LD8 SV5+
First - WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 LD9 SV5+

Unit Type: Infantry

Composition: 1 First and 9 Gland Hounds

Wargear:

*Autopistol + CCW
*Flak Armour

Special Rules:

*Fearless
*Furious Charge
*Preferred Enemy (Space Marines)

Options:

*Add up to 10 Gland Hounds for +12 pts/model
*Exchange Autopistols for Autoguns for +1 pts/Model
*Per 10 models (including the First) 1 Heavy Stubber or 1 Flamer for +5 pts/model
*First may change CCW for a Power Weapon for +15 pts


In the process of theorizing/early stages of conversion so feel free to give advice.
I want them to be playable, maybe even slightly overcosted and close to the fluff as possible.
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>>51361491
But you can sacrifice one turn to get somewhere actually good (and still fire 8 TL shots) rather than be basically stuck.
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>>51361466
>>51361497
They'd have to be moved in price so that an average equipped Crisis Suit was ~50-70 points per model like all the other AV10 fire support vehicles.

50 PPM without guns would require extremely cheap weapon options.
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>>51361510
Posted a picture of my dick on /b/, go suck it. Green shirt.
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>>51361195
If you scaled it up based on toughness, a broadside would be AV8 with 2HP. With no armor save to speak of, it would die in a stiff breeze thanks to lack of an armor save.Even if it was AV10, they'd still be damn useless as a single lucky glance makes them near useless.
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>>51361518
I mean it might be worth it if you have enough range.

My Exalted Flamers are Jump with Heavy only, but my guns are 18" + Torrent Template. So I'm usually shooting every other turn.
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do you guys get the feeling that there's one person here that keeps posting who is exceedingly thirsty (for attention and otherwise) and is the sort of person that is the reason your dad always told you not to stick your dick in crazy?
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Posting a terrible Dark Eldar list because I plan on buying the gangs and the hellions from someone else buying the gangs. Haven't played them since pre-update and even then that was less than 20 games

Archon in with the Incubi and various troops are in the transports under them

I listed Helm of Spite because one of the main people I face is mono Tzeentch and another takes inquisitorial psykers.
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>>51361549
Maybe in your imagination, whatever that says about you..
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>>51361497

>an AV10 jump walker.

A walker that is AT LEAST AV 10, can take drones, join drone squadrons and, in the case of the Cold Star, fly.

That'd be a boon to the Cold Star, as it means the crash table wouldn't be as bad.
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Reminder that the Tau first tried to make a peaceful friendship with the Tyranids
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>>51360907
You must be new here.
There are forced memes here daily.
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>>51361620
>The first and only time Tau lost to Tyranids.
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>>51361626
CELESTINE IS FAT
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>>51361491
Well if you wanna play like that. Non of the tau suits are jump anyway. They are jet pack infantry.
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>>51361619
pretty much only the cold star, though

Commanders have four wounds and access to 2+ saves/FnP. The last thing they'd want is to be downgraded to a vehicle.
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>>51361517
Preferred Enemy represents a tier of skill that these guys wouldn't have. Hatred would be more appropriate.

Autoguns should be a free upgrade. Yes, Orks pay 1 PPM for Shootas, but there's a world of difference between S3 Rapid-fire and S4 Assault 2.

First probably shouldn't be jumping up in BS, and it's not like it does her much good anyways.

I'd drop 2-3 points off their PPM. Compare them with Tzaangors, and Tzaangors are shit.
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>>51361607
Looks ok. My list with GoC will look similar only with more Venoms.

Too bad the Archon can't ride on a Reaver Jetbike.
I really love the Deldar but lack of good formations and options for our HQ hurt.
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>>51361570

Could always give it Shield Drones for free.
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>>51360868
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Link has gone dead
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>>51361644

I suppose you make a valid point there.
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>>51361620
Still not as entertaining as when they tried to make friends with the Adarki Aeldari
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>>51361072
>What is google
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>>51361690
There is not enough Dark Eldar on femtau rule 34 in this world. Atleast that i can find
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>>51361653
I was pretty disappointed that there was no formation listed in with the contents of the gangs set to incite people to expand from the board game to 40k (even though everyone is buying this for cheap bikes)

Something as simple as 1+ unit of reavers and 1+ unit of hellions roll twice on combat drugs
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>>51361072
Summonspam Daemons backed up by FMC's.

Imperial Superfriends Deathstars,usually Black Knights or Thunderwolves as a base using Librarian Conclaves to keep them alive.

Space Marine Gladius.

Tauzilla.

Eldar.

AdMech used to have an awful list that used Blood Angels Drop Pods to alpha strike your face off, but that got FAQ'd away. They're still extremely potent.
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>>51360937

Khorne makes you buff. And angry. And red. And maybe gives you claws and fangs and horns and shit to kill people with. You could check out the mutations on the blood bound in Aos I suppose.
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>>51361259
To sell models obviously.
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>>51361676
See this is the problem with turning tau suits to walkers. We need to find a part where it stops being like power armour and starts to be a vehicle but the fluff keeps making that distinction harder and harder.
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>>51361716
Given the size of the fandom, good 40k rule34 is surprisingly thin on the ground, especially for Dark Eldar, who you'd think you inspire a shit-ton of depravity.

And a lot of the fluff-friendly stuff is quick, crude sketches from /tg/ or /d/, like the Dark Eldar/SoB face-dildos pic.
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>>51361694
Oh sweet, only 10+ of results to sift through, excellent!

>not opting for a discussion with a real person

Its not like I'm asking for scans
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>>51361676
They kind wrote themselves into a corner with the original rules.

And honestly it's only really the mega suits that anyone has a serious problem with. Not being able to damage them like vehicles is bullshit, even before getting into the triple-layered saving throws.
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Do khornates actually all abhor ranged? I mean, I saw some khorne CSM and LatD armies(Blood pact, Crimson Slaughter) make us of shooting.
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>>51361771
>the Dark Eldar/SoB face-dildos pic
What?
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>>51361809
But most cultists, renegade guardsmen etc. still use thier flashlights, plasmas ,meltas and other stuff.
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>>51361651
Thx looks like helpful advice. Will take into consideration.
>Preferred Enemy represents a tier of skill that these guys wouldn't have. Hatred would be more appropriate.
They are trained and bred to hunt Astartes but ruleswise you are probably right.
>Autoguns should be a free upgrade.
Agree, just based them off of Chaos Cultists.
>First probably shouldn't be jumping up in BS, and it's not like it does her much good anyways.
Doesn't really help her but was just a fluff upgrade anyways. In the novel she gives Veteran CSM a hard time, killed several Astartes and bitch-slapped an Eldar Corsair around.
>I'd drop 2-3 points off their PPM. Compare them with Tzaangors, and Tzaangors are shit.
Being conservative with homebrew units and knowing the power of fearless objective holders I'd say 11 pts seems reasonable. Especially if you account for their shitty shooting and lack of good special weapons.
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>>51361655
So you're suggesting a set of new rules for the sole purpose of turning a model that has been infantry since 4th in to a walker because "all battlesuits should be walkers."
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>>51361780
I imagine they're like Orks with the balance of dakka and choppa. Sure, most warbands favor CQC, but Khorne cares not from whence it flows.
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>>51361747
Ahh Daemons still at it with the factory I see. I hear magnus is stronk as well.

Is that what Space marine superfriends are? A conclave backing up a deathstar? It makes sense.

Tauzilla? Guessing that new stormsurge and riptides. Yet more underpriced and overpowered stuff? I hear the ghost keels formation is crazy strong too.

Eldar never drop for top spots, but is it still Wraithknights, scatspam, and D spam backed up by crazy psychic powers? That was a nightmare.

I effectively took a break right when the war convocation broke out iirc. The one with all the free shit and cold plasma. I hear Cult Mech are placing but i dont know enough about them.

I remember the hearing about the skitarii pods, glad that got nerf'd
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>>51361780
>Do khornates actually all abhor ranged?
No. It's just a strong preference for close com, not a taboo against ranged combat. That is limited to psykers specirically.
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>>51361763

They did that shit themselves. Before they even fell to chaos. Khorne had no hand in that.
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>>51360868
fuck this

these threads used to be really useful for talking about 40k and now you faggots are ruining it

bye
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>>51361763
Yeah, but my poor renegades wouldnt get some butchers nails out of nowhere, now would they?
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>>51361780
no, khorne loves all violence

his daemon engines are bristling with guns, and he's the only god of chaos to gift his followers with weapon arms
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>>51361924
I thought the Oblit virus was Nurgle.
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>>51361919
Probably wouldnt fit the fluff, but might work for some dedicated CQC guardsmen, probably with axes from the maruaders sprue.
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>>51361760

> the fluff keeps making that distinction harder and harder

And it shows no signs of stopping unfortunately.

>>51361779

>Not being able to damage them like vehicles is bullshit, even before getting into the triple-layered saving throws.

To be honest, they should probably have a "Battlesuit Damage Table" and make Battlesuits their own type of unit that combines traits from Infantry, Monstrous Creatures and Walkers.

Kind of shows a lack of rule diversity that Walkers and Monstrous Creatures are the only two categories that something like Riptide can fit in.
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>>51361942
The oblit virus is a separate unaligned thing, causing people to merge with technology, eventually becoming twisted hulking masses of random shit.

The daemonic gifts khorne gives are different. he just turns your arm into a meltagun with infinite ammo. Or a flamer coming out of your face.
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>>51361942
Oblits are undivided (the virus has its roots in scrapcode), but that's not what he's talking about anyway.
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>>51361451
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Renegade-Militia-Conversion-Set

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Renegade-Militia-Enforcers
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>>51361973
Sounds like a good idea, until one or two editions down the road somebody decides that their new unit for [faction that isn't Tau] just definitely fits the Battlesuit unit type more than anything else.

I mean, shit, the Wraithknight only has one living pilot... Gargantuan Battlesuits when?
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>>51362034
Wraiithknight? Fucking Phantom Titan have 1 pilot.
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>>51362019
Would rather not use forge world nor 3rd parties. Just want to get some rather cheap use from some leftover cadians and chimeras.
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>>51362034
there is really no reason why the wraithknight shouldn't just be a vehicle, like the imperial knights, or the revenant titans, or the fucking phantom

Making everything a fucking monstrous creature is not okay.
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>>51362064
But Anon, the Phantom Titan is clearly a Walker and doesn't require its own unit type.
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>>51361973
I fucking hate how they call them warriors like its way more weebish than i originally thought they were
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>>51362123
>faction literally modeled on historical Asian culture
>giant mecha
>honor duels with 10000-folded blades

>not weeb
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I keep missing the new threads, damn it

I think I'm gonna start playing Imperial Guard since my friend is selling off his old models for cheap. So far I'm definitely gonna get:
2 command squads
2 infantry squads
2 heavy weapons squads
Valkyrie
Baneblade
Leman Russ Demolisher
Leman Russ from the old battleforce

But now I have a bit of a conundrum, I could also get another unopene Demolisher Russ which would please my autism, or another built Valkyrie for way cheap. What should I do? I guess I could also get some metal advisor figures from him if I really wanted
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>>51361636
I couldn't find it :(
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>>51362152
i never said i didnt think they were weebs i just said i didn't think they were that weebish
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>>51361641
Except I am responding to what otheranon suggested

>Also Broadsides are too heavy to get Jet movement :^)
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>>51361456
>Age of Gilliman
as much as I would hate GW for that, I'd laugh at the name and as their stores burned down
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>>51361638
She is based on the butiful cosplayers tho
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>there is an option for renegade knights in the list builder
>no LatD
Fuck, I just want build my army the lazy way.
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>>51361760
The absolute maximum should be the Ghostkeel, and that's more because a Walker with constant Stealth and Shrouded would be a huge pain in the ass.

The Riptide can be fluffed as a Walker to justify it still being experimental and clunky. The Stormsurge should have been a walker all along because it has a tank crew inside, rather than the weird Neuro link.

Hell, just say the Riptide and all larger suits use 2 or more pilots and thus can't use the mind link excuse, and so are walkers. Easy.
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>>51361973
Fair enough on Riptide, got any blurbs on the Stormsurge that validates it as a GC than a SHW?
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>>51361451
just collect Blood Pact
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>Ynnead
>God of the dead
>Fracturing of Biel-Tan
>not Fracturing of Iyanden
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>>51362034

Well, if I had my way about it, the unit types would be.

> Walker
> Monstrous Creature
> Daemon Engine
> Wraith Construct
> Battlesuit or Ballistic Suit

Each with their own unique Unit qualities.
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>>51362287
because iyanden is totally okay with getting ynneaded, and that's not dramatic enough
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>>51362287
>Fracturing of Iyanden
>you can literally hear a pin drop in the craftworld since everyone was already dead beforehand
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>>51362287
It's called irony, ya mook.
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>>51362081
Just get the FW upgrade s from Chinamen, they are like 3 bucks each.
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>drafted up a 2k Harlequin list
>47 models

I want this to work, fuck I do, but the odds seem so against me.

But a battle that isn't uphill hasn't been won fairly.
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>>51362287
Because Eldrad is going to job Biel-Tan.

>Also Ynnead is the god of death. He's going to take over Iyanden as his black pyramid where he will fly it into the warp to devour Slaanesh
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>>51362287
the problem comes with how popular biel-tan is. You need to make the popular part of the faction get hit or people will just roll their eyes. Like imagine if like imperal world number 75 got blown up instead of cadia no one care.
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>>51361604
That's what I'm saying. They still get to shoot, and move better than they do now. Jump Broadsides are still an upgrade.
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>>51362299
There's no need to give everything a special unit type just for that.

A better answer would be to give those units special rules to better reflect what's good against them. Tau battlesuits, for example, could have a 'Battlesuit' rule under their other benefits that gives them immunity to poison, but makes them vulnerable to Haywire, Melta, and other things that affect vehicles. This would make Haywire weapons decent against smaller suits, which they should be, and make Melta a viable option for stunning, immobilizing, or dealing extra wounds to a Riptide.
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>>51362285
I was thinking about it, but its the things thats cool bout them-the masks and the helmets-are too difficult do model, and too expensive to buy. As I said, I have a CCS, 2 infantry squads and 3 chimeras from a friend who started painting but decided its not for him. Only the CCS is painted and he did a pretty good job at it. Also lucky, he painted the pauldrons red for some reason so thats a thing. All I need to do is get me some brass and red, and paint the rest. Oh, and scrap the aquillas. And paint some marks of khorne. And glue and paint the chimeras and the infatry. This is gonna be fun.
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>>51362160
Check the catalog, currently the thread is people saying its not mine and that I post it too often.
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>>51362324
Would you mind dropping a link? Never used second hand.
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>>51362343
>what is Imperial Armor
You do not need the world to be important before the campaign. The story exists to make you care about it.
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>>51362332
Holy crap don't give the retards ideas.
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>>51362331

>nothing personal, mon-keigh
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>>51362331
Hey, at least it'll be easy to transport and you'll be able to really dedicate time to painting each model.
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>>51362372
To spice things up (or if you get sick of painting the MoK on everything, you might fancy using the old Warhammer Fantasy Chaos alphabet for squad/vehicle markings.

Forge World used them on a fair number of their Siege of Vraks tanks used by the Renegades.
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>>51362451
Those are the benefits.

I'm worried about being blown off the table by fucking bolters though. I've had grey knight armies with more models before, and they were a lot more durable.

This'll take a lot of practice.

all dat painting though
>>51362450
Harlies get minus edge points for being dressed like fucking clowns.
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>>51362277

>got any blurbs on the Stormsurge that validates it as a GC than a SHW?

No.

In fact, they call that a Walker in the lore.
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>>51362331
>47 models
My 2k Grey Knigh's list is 28.
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>>51362230
Even the shitty GW face modelers couldnt fuck up that bad.
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>>51362536
Grey Knights*
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>>51361007

That is the saddest excuse for a terrain I've ever seen. 0/10 plz make an effort.
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>>51362536
Are three of those dreadknights?
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>>51362567
Two.
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I really think this is how they kill off slaanesh in 40k.

GW obviously want the titmonster gone, as seen in sigmar. So this wouldnt surprise me if its their attempt at killing off slaanesh
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>>51362536
Your guys have T4 and a 3+ save though.

I wouldn't mind but harlies are much more fragile. I'm used to chaos marines, where at least I can take a few kicks to the teeth.
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>>51360897
>a fucking leaf
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>>51362579
Maybe
Alternatively, huge battle in both AoS and 40k simultaneously (similar to Tzeentch release)
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>>51362607
With all the either high strength, volume of shots, or AP2/3 in the game it doesn't feel like they're very tough...
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>>51362579
Ynnead has tit too though
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>>51362579
Ynnead avatar will do nice conversion for daemon prince of slaanesh or daemonic fulgrim.
It's look so slaaneshi.
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>>51360897
Cultist chan is real? oh my god.
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>>51362607
I have a friend with the same problem. Transports seem to be the answer
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>>51362366
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Who is more manly; the Renegades or the standard Guardsmen?
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>>51362366

who is this fine woman of the female gender?
I would like to impregnate her
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>>51362651
She doesn't even play Chaos, she has Orks and Nids.
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>>51361403
Can i get a 4, please?
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>>51362670
My dreams they are in ruins....
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>>51362663
Guardsmen
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>>51362631
When you play Iron Warriors, enemies fire half as many shots at you because half of their models have been removed in a giant middle finger shaped mushroom cloud of fuck you.

But I feel you, AP2/3 isn't nice.

>>51362652
Everything is getting a transport.

EVERYTHING.

I'm going to have to focus on tearing down weak units and playing to objectives, and hoping my Solitaire racks up a body count.
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I am so damn happy right now. Just ordered 10 bolter bitches from Grishnak.
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>>51362732
How so?
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>>51362663
Guardsmen.

Even the female guardsmen are more manly that renegades.
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>>51362762
Traitor guard are more like sociopathic children who see horror as a game they play to please their gods.
Guard are just normal dudes willing to man up and fight them.
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>>51362632
>Implying Daemon FULLgrim didnt have multiple titties whenever he wanted.
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>>51362276

Should Centurions/Dreadknights/Mechanicus bots be walkers too?
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>>51362804
What about female renegades?
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>>51362818
Maybe
Yes
Why is this a question
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>>51362741
>tfw want some but only place to play locally is the GW store
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>>51362828
Double un-manly.

Betraying your species in the hopes the neighbourhood bully won't hurt you is cowardice of the heighest order, regardless of gender.
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>>51362808
Not every Renegade is that way. Some just had no choice. Some got left for death by the Imperium. Also the Blood Pact was pretty fucking manly
With all that said #NotAllRenegades
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Has it been confirmed/denied yet whether the Ynnead emissary is Lady Malys?
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>>51360927
>metlaguns instead of plasmaguns
>not taking advantage of the ~1/36 instead of ~1/10 chance to die from gets hot

other than that it's pretty much perfect
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>>51360927
Unoriginal but good/10
Keep up the good work anon :)
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>>51362873
>That bare foot

MHU DICK
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>>51362897
>footfag
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>>51362828
Not even 1000 female renegades would amount to the Emperor-fueled, pure, holiness of the Adepta Sororitas or IG for that matter. You heretic.
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>>51362804
We need new guard models.
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>>51362873
Who is that gland hound
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>>51362841
I'm sorry, faithful servant of the Emperor. Have tried finding another store to play at around your area?
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>>51362873
Pretty much confirmed. Won't know 100% until GW releases more fluff though.
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>>51362818
Dreadknights yes, probably the mechanics robots as well. Centurions I suppose can stay for similar reasons to the smaller Tau walkers.

It's really more of a matter of ensuring these giant robots with a bunch of wounds actually take damage and explode like everything else. That's less key on the small stuff with 2 wounds.
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>>51362914
Yes we need loads of neww guard, sororitas, and inquisitors. It is heresy to argue otherwise.
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>>51362897
S-source?
happy / consensual is the best
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>>51362914
Vostroyan look-a-likes with at least one female head would be my hope now that Cadians r ded. Never liked the models.

It's not like you even need seperate torsos like Eldar since Guard don't wear spandex uniforms.
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>>51362907
>implying you don't want to lick those pale toes
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>>51362958
Suki de, Suki de, Suki de The Animation.

I hope you are into lolis and siscon.
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>>51362914
>>51362961
MadRobotMiniatures has a ton of guard specific bits if your interested and look just like the cadians in size.
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>>51362938
Yeah, there was one that covered general gaming that you could play at, but it's a women's niche fashion store like 90% of the other shops now.

I suppose I could look for a gaming group but I suck at meeting new people, especially in groups. Bad enough when it's a group of people in a shop.

Might still just get some to paint and use as display.
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>>51362560
no
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>>51362999
Nice.
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>>51362954
>Mechanicus robots
Kastelans seem too small to warrant being walkers, especially since they have the flavor difference of not being piloted walkers.
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>>51362964
I don't, because I'm not a fucking degenerate.
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>>51362999
Nice terrain.

>unpainted models

This is not nice, however.
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>>51362579
>no plastic Keeper of Secrets
>no plastic noise marines
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>>51363047
>no plastic GUO
>no plastic plague marines
Lol lmao GW squatting Nurgle confirmed!
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>>51362733
Solitaire isnt as killy as you may think, unfortunately, due to only being s3. your really fishing for 6's with him from the caress. He can reliably wipe out small squads (3-5 models) of anything
>>
Sup /tg/!

My FLGS is hosting their weekly Warhammer night tonight. I've got no experience, no armies, and no super strong desire to drop lots of cash on a wargame yet.

Can I just pop in and spectate?
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>>51363027
You are a faithful servant of the Emperor. Resisting those b-Bodac-c.....i-I mean resisting the Eldar taint is a nigh impossible task and you just proved it possible soldier! You get a medal!
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>>51362873
Her name is Yvraine
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>>51363098
>Can I just pop in and spectate?

Really better off asking the store rather than a bunch of random anons, but I honestly can't see anyone minding.

Just don't pick up anyone's models without permission.
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>>51363069

>FW resin kits for PMs and Termies

You're move!
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>>51363098
No, they'll kick you out for now owning any models.
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>>51363098
I don't know. You can, but it would seem really odd. Your choice, my man.
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>>51363070
S4 on the charge and enough attacks should see me through. The Solitaire is mostly for style/fluff points, I'll admit. I don't mind if he's not optimal, because he's cool as fuck.
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>>51363098

You might get dirty looks from those with autistic traits
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>>51361890
SAD
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>>51363134
>FW
>mattering
Sorry I don't count unofficial models :^)
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>>51362873
>>51363115
Yeah...I was wondering where this "Yvraine is Malys!" stuff was coming from. Although there is a TINY bit of credit I give to the Yncarne(Avatar) being Vect theory. Soley because of the resemblance to Vect's helm on the spike coming out of the right side of the Avatar's head.
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>>51363192
You're willing to believe Yncarne is Vect just because it has a horn, when Vect's model is ancient as fuck and not an accurate representation of what he probably looks like post-5th, but people saying Yvraine is Malys because of her trademark fan and sword is too far-fetched?

I think they're both completely new character either way, but come on man.
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>>51363156
So...everyone?
>>
>ITT: Muh Foot Fetish
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>>51363069
Anon, you do understand I was referring to Slaanesh getting removed as meaning we won't be getting a plastic Keeper nor Noise Marines, right? Slaanesh is already as good as dead in AoS, so killing him off from 40k means they won't have to worry about having different daemons for AoS and 40k.
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>>51363248
>Muh Shoe Fetish
>>
I think it'd make sense for red eldar to be a craftworlder is the thicc cat lady is Malys simply because if they're a triumvirate of Eldar, you'd expect both the major Eldar factions to be represented.

Maybe the avatar of ynnead is/was an exodite?
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>>51363248

>hating on footfags like its edgy

back to /v/!
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>>51363298

What if they're Eldar whom have escaped the Eye of Terror?

It mentions that Eldar populations are still found in the Eye, but as play things of the fell powers that now rule it.
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>>51363281
>Muh Shoe Fetish
Thanks? I am more normal than you like the rest of the population????
Is somebody insecure about their xeno foot fetish?
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>>51363329
I can't see Croneworlders escaping Slaanesh by themselves.

Ynnead's lore has always made it essentially a weaponised god the craftworlders were constructing.

It'd be interesting new fluff, but crone worlds appear in the lore even less than exodites.
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>>51363333
Some lovely digits wasted on a thread-derailing argument...
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>>51362999
>my first 40k game.jpg
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>>51363303
>hating on footfags like its edgy
Hating? Are you gonna cry? You gonna go smell your shoes for comfort? I wouldn't call it edgy, i'd call it extremely creepy.
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>>51363372
Quads have spoken. I am right. You are wrong.
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>>51363230
> think they're both completely new character either way, but come on man.

I hope they're existing characters desu.

Considering an Eldar has to die to become the Avatar of Khaine, I'm hoping it's the same for Yneead. And with him being the death god / hope of the Eldar it's not NewCharacter#38
>>
40k general. Where we complain of a slightly thicc sisters, and alien foot fetishes.
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>>51363439
>what is reading comprehension
I can't stand foot fetishists as much as any other guy, but you should probably just stop baiting if you don't even understand what you're arguing against anymore.
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>>51363372
At least this derail isn't about fucking Trump

:^)
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>>51363473
>T-Tthat's not w-what I meant at all! P-Please don't hate me...
Nice back-peddling, kid, but it's not going to work.
Everyone is laughing at you and your sick fetish, good job shitting up the thread.
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>>51362064
Phantom Titan has living triplets.
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>>51363478
Yet...someone's going to sling around the identifier words. "cuck, nu-male, bigly, etc".

This thread's already metastasized, so all we can do is wait for this one to die and hope for the next thread to be productive.
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>>51363467
Pretty much this. We all don't have girlfriends and use fictional women as an alternative. While we gawk at feet and thickness, because we have no social skill at all. Welcome to /40kg/ where we don't even talk about 40k specific topics.
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>>51363333
>shoe fetish is normal

Now who's being insecure?
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40k generals have been downright cancerous for the last four days or so. I blame the eldarfags, personally

>youtuber shilling
>cosplayer shilling
>ynnead will consume slaanesh!!11
>muh obscure fetishes
>recurring anti-Brexit/Trump posts

Mods, EXTERMINATUS, please.
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Are Skitarii cloned/vat-grown like servitors are, or do they just grab a bunch of menial labourers and jam cybernetics in them?
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>>51363502
Are you fucking retarded, mate?

Your bait game is so fucking weak, it's not even agitating but just sad at this point.

Enjoy the (You), though.
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>>51363537
>foot fetish
>obscure

Are you twelve by any chance ?
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>>51363537

>foot fetish obscure
>implying anti-brexit/trump posts are bad
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>>51361010
IfThe general rule should be "If it's power source got hit and destroyed, then anything that could still move can be called infantry or monstrous creature depending on size. Otherwise its a walker".

Riptides: Walkers
Crises Suits: Walkers
Sentinels: Walkers
Dreadnaughts: Walkers
Terminators: Fringe example but infantry
Ghostkeels: Walkers
Centurions: Another fringe but I'd say walker
Stealth Suits: Very definitely infantry, and all the better for it because now you have stealth infantry supported by stealth walkers.

Behold! A quick and easy split that anyone smarter than a bag of rocks can determine without GW's direct input on each case! It's only weakness is deamon engines because only the Chaos Gods know how those abominations function!
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>>51363537
>youtuber shilling
Sparked by some autist being triggered by a Tauposter's amusing troll, pic related
>cosplayer shilling
Same guy as above, seriously
>ynnead will consume slaanesh!!11
Have you even been here since Death Masque?
>muh obscure fetishes
This is 4chan.
>recurring anti-Brexit/Trump posts
/pol/ has been here for years now.
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>>51363539
Some the former, some the latter, some volunteers and pretty much any combination of the three. Galaxy's a big place, and the Admech can always use more cannon fodder.
>>
I don't think ynnead will consume slaanesh, In all honest, I think GW is going to do the same shit with the black library and the TS from the last time.

>Tfw Arhiman creates a new eldar god in a new even bigger fuck up.

JUST AS PLANNED
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Guess who is playing the Tau
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>>51363535
Kay? Everybody wears shoes it's a known fact. I mean maybe there is a breach in communication here or your just dumb, but i really hope for you it's the former.
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>>51363537
You can try to put the blame on Eldar players, but this place was already cancer for a long fucking time
>>51363600
My bet is on slaanesh consumes ynnead
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>>51363635
Fucking kek
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Anons, what if all this fetish and tranny posting is just Slaanesh trying to break our spirits?
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>>51363562
>>51363572
They don't belong in 40k general as they have almost nothing to do with the "grim-darkness of the far future".
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>>51363653
But.....the commissar s watching
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>>51363653
Slaanesh has more class than half of these foot creeps.
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>>51363598
/pol/ supports both of those things anon. This isn't the work of /pol/ it's butthurt individuals looking to post their opinions somewhere where they won't get overwhelmed with evidence proving them wrong.

>>51363562
>>51363572
it's obscure and you know it. it's so obscure it's even rare on /d/
>implying anti-brexit/trump posts are bad

Wow, really made me think
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>>51363661

Yeah so? Don't respond to those posts? Instead we have some idiot who thinks he's the internet police responding with bad english thinking he's saving the thread when he's shitting it up even worse than if he left things alone
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>>51363683
>rare on /d/
Because it's common on /h/ and I wish all these footfags would just move over there.
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>>51363683
It's the most common fetish on this site, it's not obscure.
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>>51363683
>it's even rare on /d/
So are girls without dicks.
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>>51363574
Centurions are transported by land raiders, so no walker.
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>>51363683
Off-topic politics-spamming retards in these ethreads come from all parts of the political spectrum. Take your victim complex and shove it up your ass.
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Reminder that Slaanesh isn't going anywhere. Ynnead is here to give Eldar a reason to follow their lore again, and nothing more.

>>51343777
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>>51363683
>calls foot fetishists weird for their 'obscure fetish'
>visits /d/ often enough to supposedly judge that it's rare there

Oh the irony.
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>>51363683
>/pol/ supports both of those things anon
I don't give a shit about what /pol/ does and doesn't support. They're /pol/ topics that are shitposted about here by /pol/lacks, wannabe or otherwise.

Even /40kg/'s most cancerous namefags/anonfags know /pol/ shits up these threads far more han most of the thigns we usually do here.
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>>51363743
i dunno anon, it seems like GW has become allergic to boob daemons
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>>51363775
Yncarne literally has boobs, or at least one boob anyway.
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>>51363685
Therefore, they are irrelevant and provide nothing that would further elaborate on the topic. In other words, the belong on /d/ and /pol/. Not everyone shares your foot fetish and your neo-Nazi views. They also have fuck all to do with a dystopian sci-fi miniature war game.
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Is spoilering new releases of GW to people with I don't like and who haven't yet read new books morally bad?
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>>51363775

Slaanesh getting squatted would be worth it for the grognard butthurt alone. Like with AOS they'd start ranting about the company going down, while irl its shares shoot up.
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>>51363629
>"What is a fetish?" for $300, Alex.

But if that's your metric, I'm sure there's been way more bare feet in the history of humanity than ones in shoes.
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>>51363794
no because all GW based fiction is silly and the twists are all bad
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>>51363644
I mean it's so pointless, a waste of tiem and allows GW to sell shiny limited edition models
Makes perfect sense for GW
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>>51363752
This. This. I can't hit the T-H-I-S keys fast enough. This.
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>>51363683
>it's obscure and you know it. it's so obscure it's even rare on /d/

It's so obscure that any meaningfull pornsite features foot fetish as a categorie.
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>>51363737
Well, explain the "great difference" between a centurion and a crisis suit or a dreadknight that would make it not a walker based on the (admittedly retarded) criteria the anons have set up prior.
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What are my odds of success if I try and fist my foe's Riptide to death with my Contemptor?
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>>51363791
AoS has wood elf shit has nippleless bare boobs everywhere.

The "new" Daemonettes came out in 2008, which was nearly a decade ago.
So, that's a pretty big logic stretch.
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Which Ork list is better? I need to pick one for an event.

A)
-Warboss (1) - 100pts
1 Warboss Mega Armour: Twin-linked shoota,Power Klaw
-Boyz (13) - 93pts
1 Boss Nob: Big choppa,Shoota
-Boyz (14) - 112pts
Nob: Big choppa,Shoota
Shootas
-Gretchin (11) - 40pts
Squig hound
-Lootas (5) - 70pts
-Deff Dread (1) - 85pts
Skorcha, 3 Power klaws

B)

-Warboss (1) - 110pts
Power klaw, Warbike
-Weirdboy (1) - 70pts
(Mastery Level 2)
-Gretchin (12) - 43pts
Squig hound
11 Gretchin
-Boyz (10) - 84pts
Boss Nob: Big choppa,Shoota
-Tankbustas (5) - 75pts
Boss Nob: Rokkit launcha
-Trukk (1) - 30pts
-Warbikers (4) - 87pts
Boss Nob: Big choppa,Slugga
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>>51363858
Pretty good, the hard part is actually catching the jet-jumping motherfucker with a charge.
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>>51360940
I'm enjoying the story thus far desu.
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>>51363815
Sure, but we aren't in the pre-civilization period of history are we? No. We have made shoes. This is the norm, now. If you are so butt hurt about your foot fetish, go let the perverts on /d/ comfort you. They might do more than comfort you though.
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>>51363844
Neither Centurions nor Crisis Suits are large enough to warrant a Walker tag as they are way smaller than for example a Dreadknight, Sentinel or Dreadnaught, not to mention Riptide.
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>>51363844
But Centurion is just Very Bulky Infantry.
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Anyone have the tiresome 40k photo?
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>>51361078
i would advise the imperial ruins box, it comes with a lot of buildings to build, and doesn't cost that much for GW standard, considering the amount of terrain (around 80 euros i think)
good luck painting all that shit though
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>>51363844
A Centurian is far heavier than a Terminator, and the terminator is so heavy that even a space marine struggles to wear it unpowered. So I figured logically the much heavier centurian suit would be too heavy to walk in unassisted. Thus, if you destroyed it's power source, the marine inside would be frozen and unable to move.

A Crises Suit has clear mechanical joints in the legs and arms that the Tau pilot could not operate if the machine was unpowered, unless they spontaneously developed psyker powers and moved the legs with telekinesis.

The Dreadknight is the same deal: Mechanical joints, so no power=no movement.
>>51363737
As for Centurians in land raiders? Well, if Sentinels can ride in valkyrie skytalons and Dreadnaughts in certain space marine vehicles, why not the Centurians in Land Raiders?
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>>51362547
>MFW I like GW face moddling
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>>51363927
Honestly, with how you're suggesting the Walker tag should be given out the entire unit type would probably need a total rework away from having vehicle AVs.
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>>51363954
Nah. Crises Suits just need AV8 armor. Sorry Taufags, but if you wanted better armor you shouldn't have used tiny legs that sink up to your knees in anything other than dry, solid ground.

You want tough armor? Grab Hammerheads! Those things are hella-badass and practically designed to boot!
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>>51362999
Tissue box terrain, for when you can't find your proper terrain
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>>51361078
Here:
http://battlegroundhobbies.blogspot.com/2012/07/warhammer-40k-terrain-how-to-part-two.html
http://battlegroundhobbies.blogspot.com/2012/07/warhammer-40k-terrain-how-to-part-three.html
http://battlegroundhobbies.blogspot.com/2012/06/warhammer-40k-terrain-how-to-part-one.html

Three links! How to build terrain with shit from your borther's toybox, spare sprues, old notebooks, cardboard, and glue!
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>>51363927
Personally I'd rather units like that get the "Mechanical" tag and make all Vehicles Toughness based

And make Haywire Mechanical poison, Armourbane = Fleshbane
Tank Hunter rerolls vs Mechanical
Melta Armourbane at half distance.
Etc.

Necrons, Skittarii and Cult Mech are all composed of Mechanical
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>>51364001
>Nah. Crises Suits just need AV8 armor.
AV8 gets penned by lasguns. I, too, enjoy paying for elite units that are easier to kill than a Battle Sister.
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>>51363621
the tau guy clearly has the tism, but that doesn't surprise me.
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>>51364001
You'd still need to realistically re-purpose Walker AVs in that case, since a Crisis Suit isn't large enough and way too flexible pose-wise to have a proper front, side and rear armor and if you give them such a low AV all-around you might as well just give them a Toughness valu, since having 8 AV would be pretty much identical to having T 4 in regards to all normal weaponry, as a S 3 will hit on 5, S 4 on 4 and so on.

I'm a Black Templar and AdMech player, I couldn't care less about your salt against Tau.
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>>51363927
Centurion is transported INSIDE infantry transport.
Dreds and sentinels are suspended outside drop ship.
There is a diference.
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>>51364067
So? Crises suits ARE pinned by lasguns! The Price of T4!
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>>51362154
You could start by making a list that isn't toilet tier
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The Red space-elf is Slau Dha.
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>>51364073
If it fits it fits, bro. And the Land Raider is freaking cavernous.
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>>51364088
Infantry get armor saves. Vehicles don't. An AV8 walker with 2 HP would be easier to kill than two conscripts.
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>>51364001
AV value is offset by having no save. So if crisis suits become walkers, they would need to increase in "equivalent" toughness value.
What would you rather, t4 sv3+ or t6 sv-
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>>51364112
literally who ?
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>>51364138
One of the cabal.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cabal
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>>51364129
>>51364133
Yea. It's called a nerf! I know you Tau players aren't used to such things, but it's an unfortunate fact of life for the rest of us and now you get to join the party! Tell you what, you can have AV9 and only get glanced on 6s by lasguns.
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>>51364138
Fanfiction character who wants to kill the Emperor but it's actually to beat Chaos, no for real, makes immortal people for memes, and is the reason Alpha Legion became Chaos'd.
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>>51364211
I hope your not making them the same price as well as effectively removing their armor save and making them suffer from the vehicle damage table.

As well, do CRISIS SUITS really need nerfing, though? I'm pretty sure they don't.
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>>51364211
>Yea. It's called a nerf!
Two conscripts are six points.

>now you get to join the party!
Tau players won't be joining the party because your idea is retarded and will never be implemented.
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>>51364189
>>51364221
Ah so black library shit with questionable canon merits
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>>51364211
>baiting this weak
Shitposting just finished, friendo.
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>>51364071
ding; typical tau player
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So what do you guys think of these sexy mothers: have been thinking putting to single units in a iron warriors cad (so no MoN)

thoughts?
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>>51364274
Read the HH books.
The cabals goal is to stop chaos in all its forms.
They pop up in the books quite often.
Heck, just read the wikia it's explained there
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>>51364211
For comparison, you currently need around 36 lasgun shots to kill a Crisis suit. Half of those hit (18), a third wound (6), and a third get past the armor save (6).

For comparison, AV 8 would result in those 18 hits becoming 6 hullpoints off with no chance of armor. AV 9 at least maintains a somewhat similar number of 36 shots become 3 HP instead of 2 wounds.

Bolters, for comparison, need only 18 shots against Crisis suits currently, which becomes the same 6 HP against AV 8, and 4 against AV 9. It would also stay at 2 if it were AV 10.

I'd suggest that AV 10 would be the most fair, as,it maintains the effectiveness of bolters. While it makes them immune to lasguns, nobody was relying on Las to kill crisis suits anyway.
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>>51364339
The Cabal is shit.
SHIIIIIIIT.

Easily the worst part of the entire HH series, they ruined the AL arc and have since been shoehorned into everything in the same style as Oldcron C'tan. Completely unnecessary.
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>>51364285
>making fun of actual downies
Kill yourself
There's being retarded and being retarded for a reason you can't help
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>>51364389
Yeah but I think that the red Autarch is Slau Dha.
It kind of makes sense.
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So Wraithknights.

I pre ordered one when they were announced because I like spooky undead things. I Use the suncannon one. But then they had to make them GMC and utterly break them via being undercosted.

So easiest fix in friendly games; Change the type to jump mc instead of gmc? Keep the price tag?
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>>51363879
>moves the goalpost when it doesn't suit him
>still doesn't know what a fetish is
>actually things just because he and people around him wear shoes, even poorfag in some 3rd world country also wear shoes
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>>51364413
Aren't you also assuming that he has downies purely based on him looking retarded, or do you know the guy?

Because if you're just assuming he has it, you're just as bad.

And don't you dare assume xer gender, cis scum!
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>>51364431
Either go back and use the 6e rules, or just up the price by like 100 points.

The suncannon one is one of the lesser offendeda, but is still insanely durable and good in CC for its cost.
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>>51364301
Good man. No IW force is complete without at least one unit of these guys. Sucks that Allesio Cavatore saw fit to strip them of their Daemonic strength and resilience gifts and make these hulking monstrosities S and T4.

Mutilators might actually be worth taking if they were base S5.
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>>51364431
>I Use the suncannon one
So you mean the best variant from 6th edition?
>utterly break them via being undercosted
They have always been overpowered and undercosted.

>So easiest fix in friendly games
Use its 6th edition stats and weapon profiles but pay 7th edition points for the unit (but not its upgrades).
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>>51364413
>taking offense on behalf of others
Kill yourself
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>>51364470
>Mutilators might actually be worth taking if they were base S5.
think they would need more than that! WS5 and had rampage or something, they feel so lack luster as is
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>>51364487
Your mom took offense from my dick in her mouth
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Why is it ok for a flying Tzeentch MC to be almost unkillable while dropping Strength D shots on you and taking over your own units to fire on eachother.
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>>51364528
Because he is 650 points, and is fairly vulnerable to attack, and requires lots of warp charge

bait harder
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>>51364528
Same reason raiders can have a 3+jink and be an av10 space marine
Same reason orks can take 45 warbikers in less than 1500
Same reason necron codex
Same reason scatter bikes exist
Same reason riptides
Rules are gay money isnt
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>>51364657
>actually including Raiders and Warbikers in a post about gay rules
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>>51364670
Warbikers in any codex are gay, orks are just special because twin linked heavybolters on everyone and 3+ jink
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>>51364629
>vulnerable to attack?

What universe do you live in?

guy is roling around with a 3++ rerolling 1's and can only be hit on 6's. Guy just dropped a single dice on force every turn and couldn't fail it because of the stupid dice flipping relic
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>>51364681
>Worried about twin-linked heavy bolters
>BS 2
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>>51364496
As useful as it would be for them to have WS5 I don't think it could be justified given their bulk.

Rampage + Hammer of Wrath would be nice though
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>>51364727
The fucking guy always lands half of them against anything
>20 s5 hits
Fuck me
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Is it bad that I want to buy GW's Khorne dice and diceroller/container?
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>>51364751
Because despite what mong here >>51364727 says twin-linked BS2 is basically BS3.5
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>>51364751
>TL BS2 = BS3.5
>he lands half his hits
Gee who would have thought
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>>51363024
Here is how the criteria should look

>If you introduce poison into its arm, will it die?
>If it is out of power, can it move?

Mechanicum bots, Dreadknights and every Tau suit from Crisis upwards should be a walker.
Centurions could be argued either way.
Theres honestly no reason why they could not have an AV lower than 10
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>>51363844
A Centurion Marine's limbs line up with the suit
A Centurion can move without power

DKnights are clearly walkers.
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>>51364727
>>51364751
It's effectively BS 3 due to twin-linked. Marginally better as the average number of hits is closer to 17.

Still, I would point to the Eldar jebikes that are a stronger more accurate version of that rather than one of the few Ork units that has decent shooting.

I mean, a single Crisis suit can get 8 of those shots at similar accuracy for just under the price of 2 bikes, and have the ability to jump out of harm's way afterwards.
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>>51364787
Power armor without power is nearly impossible to move.
Marines should be Walkers confirmed?
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>>51364787
Reminder that Daemons and Tyranids are both canonically immune to poison.
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>>51364687
>Guy just dropped a single dice on force every turn and couldn't fail it because of the stupid dice flipping relic
Daemons don't get Force Weapons and Paradox only affects the Bearer
B8/8
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>>51364474
>Use its 6th edition stats and weapon profiles but pay 7th edition points for the unit (but not its upgrades).
Their stats are identical. The only changes from 6e to 7e are:

>MC->GMC
>Suncannon/Sword and board swap cost is now free
>D cannons/sword->S:D
>Scatter laser weapon reduced 5 points
>50 point base increase

So what I'm proposing is not do the first point. I wont do any D weapons. I'll either keep it as a Sunbro or one of the FW WK. The FW ones are pretty spicy looking, but nothing insane, especially if its no longer a GMC. Unless Im missing something.
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>>51364883
>their stats are identical, aside from all of these changes
Are you retarded?
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This is autism.

The things that are treated as Infantry are fine remaining Infantry. It's all effectively power armour.

When you start getting to Monstrous Creature size, though, it gets harder to justify as being human movement at the core to being a piloted vehicle. At that point it should change into walkers, they're no longer at the same scale.

I just want a rule that makes them have to make Haywire tests or lose a wound, no armor save allowed.
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>>51364681
They're not Heavy Bolters. They're only AP5 and only 18" range.

>3+ jink
Only if they boost. If they boost they're not using their dakkaguns.
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>>51364864
>>51364787
>>If you introduce poison into its arm, will it die?

Daemons are canonically immune to poison as anon said

>If it is out of power, can it move?
If a Daemon runs out of power its form dissolves

ALL DAEMONS ARE WALKERS
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>>51364850
That's probably more of a matter of the joints locking into place. If you cut through them and just had the weight of the plates, I think a marine could handle it.

If I recall, there's a fluffpiece where some Ultras corner Farsight and he orders an EMP dropped on all of them. His suit fails, but the marines are still able to slowly move their way around. Reason Farsight is alive is because of Kroot showing up.
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>>51364921
>Daemon Walker
>WS3 I3 A2 tho
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>>51364942
That's why you don't stick Pink Horrors in Melee Walkers
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>>51364908
Yeah. I'm fine with ever thing being defined as whatever, as long as using anti-tank weapons against a giant mech actually does something. Whether it's by changing unit types or adding special rules matters less.
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>>51364787
But armor value stands for literal armor plating on the unit, not a powered suit. All current walkers have some kind of obvious skeleton beneath their plating while the non-walkers either have that underlying layer exposed or only really have one layer of armor. None of them have some inner body that has metal plates tacked onto it while stuff like Dreadnoughts do have it that way.

When you pierce a vehicle, you penetrate its armor and hit the inner workings. When you glance it, your projectile busted open the armor plate but didn't hit a soft spot. When you wound a Kastellan, you rip a hole into its arm and damage its innards no matter what because the armor IS its arm. Same goes for wounding Crisis Suits or Centurions.
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>>51364864
For purpose of this thought experiment, it's magic poison
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>>51364970
>tfw Daemon of Khorne in KdK codex
>no appreciable buffs because Furious Charge is wasted on S10
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>>51364864

They aren't in Age of Sigmar and may not be when GW gets done with 40k.
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>>51364864
Also no organism can move if it runs out of energy.

Ergo all tyranids are walkers.
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>>51364939
>That's probably more of a matter of the joints locking into place
No, it's because power armor is servo-assisted, and a lack of power shuts that shit down. it's like power steering, but for armor.

FFG's Deathwatch says unpowered power armor for Marines is incredibly difficult to move in, if at all. As in, a Marine, if he can move at all, will shuffle forward like 1m where they could normally move upwards of 4 easily.
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>>51364982
>When you wound a Kastellan, you rip a hole into its arm and damage its innards no matter what because the armor IS its arm. Same goes for wounding Crisis Suits or Centurions.
Nah, there are literally fluff descriptions of marine power armour getting ripped open without wounding the marine.
Thats not a usefull criterium
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>>51365035
>FFG
>canon
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>>51364878
I'd have to double check the guy's codex/list for it but here's full context for the action then

He was playing with the new book
Lord of Change and a Daemon Prince plus

Lord of Change had some weird aura (12 inches) that buffed nearby invulnerable saves on top of the one for blessings and was tossing down the D and mind controlling my guys with a 3+ jink rerolling 1's

Daemon Prince Was the one with a 3++ rerolling 1's and had force from his weapon

The guy had about 30 dice in the psychic phase because it was an unbound list (or some new formation) with 3 heralds hiding in a building that I couldn't get to because of everything else in the way and the fact that on turn 1 he vaporized my artillery.
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>>51365038
Scoring a wound =/= landing a wound. The Marine made his armor save, the Kastellan didn't.
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>>51365035
Yeah, so still possible to move, unlike a dreadnought where it's entirely servos rather than servo assisted.
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Making an armor save does not imply the armor being busted open
face it, your robutts are walkers.
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What do you rate Wracks? They look cool, but are they good?
Melee unit really turns me off, but they look really cool.
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>>51365144
They're a semi-durable assault unit. They could do decently if you throw them in a boat to get them into place, but overall I'd say Incubi are better for the killing power. Maybe they could work as bodyguards for an HQ?
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>>51364901
>except all these non-stat changes**
None of those changes are stats(Toughness, Strength, wounds, etc)

Sorry friend, one of us is but it's not me...
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>>51365144
I loved them when Furious charge gave +1 initiative and overwatch wasn't a thing. They haven't been rebalanced around those facts.

Toss 10 of them at marines and they'd do something like 4 or 5 wounds before the marines got to hit back and they ripped anything t3 or lower and monstrous creatures (before 2+ became standard) to shreds
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Alrighty my Puppets War order just Arrived. Almost 2 months after I placed it...
Somehow I can't help but feel Fed Ex and UPS would find that un-fucking-forgivable
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My tyranid friend is trying to argue that warriors with lash whips hit at initative 4 when charging through difficult terrain because the difficult terrain sets them to i1 and then you add 3 from the lash whip in the fight subphase. Is this true?
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>>51362579
>I really think this is how they kill off slaanesh in 40k.

I can't imagine they'd suddenly make Slaaneshi forces the bad guy in many different Black Library books - even allowing them to partly win in some cases - just to squat them.

Slaanesh also isn't killed in AoS - simply captured. They can theoretically bring it back any time, and I suspect they will when they get around to making the new Slaanesh models.
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mostly looking for feedback
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>>51365260
>2 Riptides
I don't have a problem with it since it's at 2k points, but you're about to get ripped a new one, anon.
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>>51364505
12 years virgin talk.
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>>51365248
Probably not, since I can't really see Tyranids getting nice things. Unless they had some other way of getting assault grenades or canceling it out though, I'd allow it.

Are Flesh Hooks still a thing?
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>>51363811
>while irl its shares shoot up.

That is as much due to renewed interest in 40K, royalties from video games such as Total Warhammer, Deathwing, and Dawn of War (all of which have done relatively well) and generally just smarter business practices in general. The company actually taking the time to reach out to the community and interact with it for once also boost confidence in the companies future, further boosting shares.

AoS has stabilized largely, but it was a massive shit-show when it first dropped.
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>>51365144

They formerly were excellent troops. These days they sit on the shelf. The scalpel squadron isn't bad but, it doesn't allow you to being more venoms or wracks. If your local group has no detachment restrictions it opens up some interesting options for null deployment.

The ossefactor seems good. In reality, it's very hit and miss. Still if you want a shooting option that's the best. GW nerfed the flamer option in 7th.

Still, all that said they are t4 and start with feel no pain so they are slightly tougher than wyches or warriors.
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>>51365275
the list is more to play against my mates. but do you care to elaborate?
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Who else think that Swarmlord is retarded idea?
>swarms slaved to genius hive mind
>special snowflake with have personality and is better leader than hive mind.
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>>51365144

They are better in the coven supplement than Codex DE due to having a different power from pain chart
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>>51364470
They'd be worth it if they could just FUCKING RUN in the shooting phase.
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>>51365286
Warriors can take flesh hooks, yes. And flesh hooks count as assault grenades. I think he's just trying to get out of paying for them.
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>>51365332
Then just point to the Flesh Hooks and ask why they exist if Lash Whips do the same thing.

If anything, he should buy them anyway so he can strike at super high initiati e regardless of terrain.
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>>51361415
>didn't kill the overlord first that gives everything re-rolling 1's
>didn't kill the spyder first that gives wraiths RP in the first place
Honestly anon, you were asking for it. You attacked Achilles directly instead of taking out his blatantly offered heel first.
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>>51365311
Many of the users here go fucking nuts at the simple mention of the Tau faction. That your list has 2 of the units that trigger their PTSD is even worse.

As for actual feedback:

Never put Signature Systems on regular Crisis Suits. Find out what you want to do with your Commander and commit him to it. It seems he's going to be a Mark'O, so sticking him with the Drone Crisis team is good. If anything, switch the CnC and MSSS from the Shas'vre, down grade the Shas'vre, and give him missile pods as well. That way your Commander could work as both a Mark'O, and a Buff'O, lose his Missile Pods/target lock, and give him Stim Injector and Shield Generator if you can.

On the second Crisis Squad, don't mix weapons. Commit them to a cause. So 2 Plasma Rifles across the board, give them Counterfire Defence if you can for BS2 Overwatch.

It's risky to run the Riptide without the Stim Injector.

Your Stealth Cadre looks good.

I'd switch out the Advanced Targeting Systems on the Broadsides for Counterfires.
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>>51365260
Instead of wasting time with those Fire Warriors, make it a Farsight Enclave.
If you do that, you can split up your Crisis Suits into smaller squads so those missile pods don't need to tag along with your marker squad.
If you don't want to do that, stop wasting points on Bonding Knife. Those eight points could go elsewhere.
Honestly, instead of wasting that many points on marker drones and a pathfinder team, you'd be better off with some Tetras
Why are you even taking missile pods over fusions, plasmas, or ions?
Longstrike is honestly overpriced.
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>>51365433
>It's risky to run the Riptide without a st in injector

Is actually dying to massed AP 2 firepower considered a risk now?
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>>51365484
Sometimes. But I mostly said that because I can never go a game without my Riptide rolling at least two 1's on the Nova Charge.
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>>51365484
It's a 200+ point model that has a 33% chance of wounding itself every turn.
Yeah, you want to make sure it's protected.
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So something I'm wondering about DE Jetbikes.

How good are they at killing the various 2+ save MC's with caltrops?
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>>51365519
Decent if you swarm them with cheap MSU bikes, but unless you get really lucky and knock them down with Rending hits at I10 you'll get absolutely fucked by the AP2 counterattack, lose combat and spend the rest of the game jetting away.
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>>51361170
Bikers are a good choice. You can't really go wrong with a lord on a bike, and some ablative wounds. It's no longer t4/5 but flat out 5, so melta weapons won't insta gib your guys. Very worth it.
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>>51362983
>lolis and siscon.
Drop it, is there any good vanilla nowadays? Everything is netorare shit.
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>>51365519
They have enough rending hits to finish one off after a few lance hits. An unwounded one is suicide.
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>>51365543
That's what I'm wonering statistically. Like 3 caltrops plus let's say 4 other surviving bikes and the champions agonizer.

What with the Gangs box getting me back into DE again and not playing since 5e back when monster spam wasn't really a thing.
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>>51365506
>>51365508
Nobody is forcing you to use the Nova Reactor. Did it ever occur to you that it was supposed to be risky?

Even if you don't have it and take 2 wounds from yourself over the course of the game, you're still talking about a dozen plasma shots to actually kill the damn thing.

I would think a dedicated plasma team getting within rapid fire range of it after you intentionally took risks is a perfectly fair reason for you to lose your model.
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>>51362287
>Iyanden
>ever fracturing with the full might of the Commorragh Entertainment News Network supporting their livelihood and continued suffering
It won't happen because it can't happen.
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>>51365585
Sounds like a plan my dude. Ironically DE kind of struggle with low save MCs (and superheavies, but that's a different story) but there are far worse ways of dealing with them than Reavers. >>51365567 has the right idea though - charge in to finish one off, not to rush one down.
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>>51365594
Except you can partially mitigate that risk? With a 5+ FNP??
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>>51365252
Are there any good, recent 40k novels you would recommend that feature Slaaneshis?
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>>51365601
>your whole post
fucking kekked
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>>51365433
yo brother thank you for the feedback. also holy hell the hype is real about riptides.
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>>51365601
what if the entirely if 40k is just DEldar reality TV it explains why certain heroes have plot armour because it's literal plot armour
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>>51365619
>But I can make my already durable and overpowered model even more durable!

And you're suggesting this for a fun list against friends why?
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>>51365698
Show me where on the doll the Riptide touched you.
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>>51365698
>And you're suggesting this for a fun list against friends why?
Who said this? Why do you think this?

The post you're quoting replied to
>Did it ever occur to you that it was supposed to be risky?
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>>51364413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CENmoxcBQ&t=34s

he is just a tau player, thats all
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>>51365710
It's people like you that give Tau players a bad name. The very idea that an unkillable unit might be annoying to play against flies right over your head.

>>51365723
Keep following that reply chain. I know you can do it!
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Can someone giv me a short rundown of whats happening with the story avancement?
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>>51365853

Cadia is kill, Creed is kill, Biel-Tan is kill, Imperium is kill
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>>51365853
Cadia exploded
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>>51365817
>Keep following that reply chain. I know you can do it!
Thanks for clearing up that you're here to shitpost as opposed to actually talk about something.

>>51365594 said
>Nobody is forcing you to use the Nova Reactor. Did it ever occur to you that it was supposed to be risky?
As an argument against taking Stimulant Injectors. Which doesn't make sense at all, the fact that it's risky is even MORE reason to take them.

And if we follow the reply chain like you said, we get >>51365484 saying
>Is actually dying to massed AP 2 firepower considered a risk now?
where other posters explained that, yeah, it's risky thanks to that on top of the Nova Reactor on a relatively expensive, limited unit.

OP seemed to have no problem with the fun/casual issue.
No one is asking or pushing the "is it fun" issue.
People are discussing an entirely different topic and you're arguing for something detached and irrelevant.
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>>51365895
>a relatively expensive, limited unit

Sorry, I thought we were talking about Riptide. My mistake.
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>>51365924
We are. He only has two of them in that list. And he's relying on them for his anti-air at 2k points, since nothing else has Velocity Tracker.
Again, stop shooting your argument in the foot for the sake of posting a sick meme.
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>>51364670
For a moment, I thought that was Duncan - forever immortalized in a block of marble. Then I realized it wasn't painted.
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>>51365958
You're the one trying to argue that Riptide are expensive, limited, and risky, while the exact opposite is true. They're quite undercosted, very versatile, and incredibly low-risk thanks to their durability, mobility, long range, and the fact that you don't actually have to ever use the Nova Reactor.
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>>51362999
why do you still have christmas decorations up?
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>>51366032
Undercosted doesn't mean cheap. It's still a single 200+ point unit.
And them being durable has absolutely NO relevant on the fact that you can mitigate their Nova Reactor's risk (as well as other wounds) with a 5+ FNP.

No one's arguing about their viability.
No one's arguing about their versatility.
No one's arguing about whether or not they're undercosted or overcosted.

Do Stimulant Injectors mitigate the risk of using a Nova Reactor? Objectively yes. Why are you arguing against this?
Do Stimulant Injectors help protect an important primary Tau unit? One that you don't want dying? One that can potentially hurt itself? Objectively yes. Why are you arguing against this?
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>>51366036
because he's a fucking witch Brother Harry
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>>51365880
Oh shit Creed.
Wits happened to the eemperium of man? Abaddon invading plans finally worked?
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>>51365880
>>51366138
>Creed is kill
No. Creed is pokemon'd.
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>>51366138
Abaddon attacked Cadia again, was about to win, an AdMech magos got help from Trazyn to activate the pylons on Cadia, ripped Chaos from the warp and shrunk the Eye of Terror, meanwhile Celestine came back, was beaten up by Abaddon and then stabbed him through the spine while he was strangling Creed, who bought her time by doing some serious shit-talking and forced Abaddon to retreat. Through some hi-jinks bullshit, the Phalanx then came teleporting in, shot up the Blackstone Fortress, made it crash into the planet which caused a chain reaction with the Pylons and blew Cadia up. Before it exploded, the majority of Imperial forces were rescued by some Eldar into the webway and Creed was captured by Trazyn.
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>>51366098
First, it's not 200+ points unless you buy the damn stim injector in the first place.

Second, the original claim was that it's Risky to run the Riptide without Stims. That's just blatantly untrue. It might be risky to use the Nova Reactor without stims, but you don't actually have to use it. Let me repeat that since you seem to keep ignoring it: You don't have to activate the Nova Reactor at every damn opportunity.

Running a Riptide without Stims isn't risky. It's already incredibly durable, which is quite relevant when you're discussing ways to improve survivability.

The only risk to running a Riptide without stoms is that it might actually die, which if you've forgotten, makes every unit in the fucking game risky.

You can be perfectly safe running a Riptide without it unless you purposefully take risks.
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>>51366231
Oh, it could've been worse.
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>>51360868
>>51360868
>>51360868

The Mega link for the rules is not working!
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>>51366286
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>>51366282
First leaks was :Cadia blew up because pylons overloaded, Mechanicus guy destroyed Cadia, when Imperium wins.
But it still could be better. Killing Cadia in less than 100 pages is weak.

>>51366286
We know, previous edition was "mega down edition".
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>>51366325

Darnnit! Was hoping to download all the codex tonight funnily enough!
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>>51366325
I meant it could've been AoS bad tier.
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So with the new FAQ, it looks like my pure Ravenwing army isn't legal anymore? Am I reading this right?
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>>51366325
I feel like it would have been nice if they had interspersed the book with a bunch of missions and scenarios to highlight parts of the defense and help give a sense of how long it went for. Have ones centered around the big central aspects, but also some of the side skirmishes going on. Make it feel like a war rather than one battle, y'know?
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>>51365817
>It's people like you that give Tau players a bad name
My man I made one post. I don't even play Tau, nor was I the one(s) arguing with you. I just saw someone sperging out and called them out on it. Stay salty.
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>>51366415
What do you mean?
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>>51365248
No. Point him to the rulebook page 8 under "Multiple Modifiers". The order of any stat modifiers is multipliers first, then addition/subtraction, and then set values. They'll strike at I1.
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>>51366447
Battle? That was fucking skirmish, it is mostly focused on characters instead of fights.
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>>51363865
P-Please respond
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>>51366521
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. It feels like the entire planet-wide defense boiled down to those guarding one fort, and even that was basically background to Celestine and Abbadon dueling.

If it's the fall of a planet, I would expect it to take weeks and be on a planetary scale.
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So anyone know a good way to make a flagpole to mount to the back of a bike for my Icon?
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>>51366705
Try the handle of a power axe if you have a spare.
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>>51366705
I used a piece of sprue I cut to look like a wood pole.
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>>51366757
I wish
>>51366785
Ahh I could try to carve it. Otherwise I guess I will look through my bits maybe I will have a spear or something in a fantasy kit I can use.
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