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First fat Celestine and now fat lady Malys, when will this stop? edition.

>previous thread
>>51349751

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>>51352831
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>>51352831
Malys doesn't have a model, and the Emissary isn't fat, either.
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>>51352848
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>>51352848
Then who created the first few aleldari gods?
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>>51352831
>Avatar of Ynnead is called the Yncarne
Why is this allowed?

We need a Night of the Long Knives but for GW's hack writers.
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>>51352861
She's fucking fat as fuck she's the most fat eldar model ever produced recently
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>>51352913
old ones
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>>51352923
post her feet doe
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>>51352924
Didnt think the old ones used the warp
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>>51352923
She's not fat you drooling retard, you can see how thin her goddamn waistline is. That's a victorian-style dress with metal wiring on the inside poofing it out.

At least the retards poking the label at Celestine had something almost resembling a point in that we haven't had SOB with actual Marine-esque armor before, but this is next level.
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>>51352923
for all the fanfare attatched to her model, its really fucking boring and plain as far as poses go.

Seriously she isn't even fluttering her fan or some shit.
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>>51352938
her arms look fat
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>>51352895
>bustle
>fat
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If I'm making an all-infantry Death Guard list, how many autocannons should I take?
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>>51352963
All of them.
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>>51352963
How many can you take?

That many.
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>>51352963
all of them
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>>51352957
Muscular, more like. But there's not much they can really do about that without making her look weird next to every eldar model ever.
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>>51352958
She's completely obese on her waist, are you fucking blind?
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>>51352771
They can use the regular TE's Donkey Punch (model exchanges all attacks in a round for a single S10 AP1 attack, usually hilarious if a challenger doesn't have eternal warrior).

And if you manage to take Celestine in an allied detachment, you can /maybe/ get a S:U AP3 blade that can become +2 AP2 if they pass a leadership test.

It's iffy, though, because you gotta replace a melee weapon to use it, and unless you count inbuilt generic "close combat weapon," they don't have one.

Still a Tau Crisis Bodyguard bomb with Farsight, a Fusion Blade Body Guard, Donkey Punch Body Guard, Blade of the Worthy Commander, can be made quite tough as fuck. A very, VERY expensive Tau melee crisis death star is often surprising, though.
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>>51352984
There is no way this can't be a low-tier troll.
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>>51352923
her tits are too small too... and her head is dumb. but the feet game is good
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>>51352923
What is it with GW and ridiculous topknots?
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FOOTFAGS GET OUT REEEE
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>>51353012
She's wearing a corset anon.
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>>51352923
i want to buy it but I know mine wont look nearly as good as this one
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>>51352968
>>51352969
>>51352978

Is there any reason to take other heavy weapons?
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I want to suck on dem toes
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>>51352999
Sisters of silence are wearing power armour and yet they doesn't look fat, incarnate is an obese eldar, stop justifying it you chubby chaser.
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>>51353058
You had a point with one of the gemini now you are just trying to bait people so have a (you) and calm down
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>>51353053
Heavy Bolters can be justified since you can move and shoot.

Lascannons are too expensive and if you take them on infantry, they should be on IW Havocs.

Missile Launchers just suck in general.
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>>51353058
That isnt her actual waist, she's wearing a Victorian style wire-form dress
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>>51353058
Just stop son. You're just embarrassing yourself.
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>>51353058
Sister of silence are frail and tiny human compared to an Eldar.
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>>51352831

Agreed.
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>>51353053
on infantry, no. Autocannons, melta guns and plasma guns can't really be beaten.

If you take lascannons, put them on vehicles.
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>>51353053
Not really. Autocannons have a good combo of strength and rate of fire. The other options are too pricey and don't benefit as much from Relentless.
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>>51353075
>eldar
>not frail
what are you smoking
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>>51353025
yeah she should be nude and not fat
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What is this fat meme? Am I out of the loop or something
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>>51353070
Was thinking plas/h-bolter squads and then 4x autocannon havocs with cover-camping loblits in the back field.

>>51353076

>CSMs with multimeltas

You must be tripping
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>>51353102
Do you have the minis? they are really small, and their arm is tiny compare to an Eldar.
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>>51353125
People shitposted about Celestine and the Geminae a ton. Count yourself lucky.
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>>51353125
A bunch of autists that worship sticks and don't know anatomy, just ignore them they thrive on (You)s
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>>51353129
I wouldn't mix weapon types. Double up on plasma guns, you're gonna be in range for the first one and you have FNP anyways.

H-bolters could work for 10-man Rhino havocs running around pretending to do Fury of the Legion.
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>>51353125
GW is producing chubby girls. Some are denying that they are chubby.

The only fit female model that GW put out was the Everqueen in AoS. What's GW trying to say?
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>>51353129
Was tripping extremely. You may still want some meltaguns regardless for heavier vehicles though.
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>tfw your corsairs will be left out of the eldar superfriends decurion in the new book
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>>51353158
the everqueen is a 10ft tall tranny tho
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>>51353163
>being sad about missing out on aeldari superfriends aka new ways to minmax craftworlds with cherrypicked adarki aeldari support
We're lucky we can distance ourselves.
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>>51353158
Take notes. This is how you make a female body.
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>>51353163
Eh, Forgeworld was pretty good about adding to the Craftworld Hosts Decurion with some of their units to throw in Shadow Spectres and the like. I wouldn't be surprised if they put out a quick datasheet to clarify some of this stuff.

It's kind of sad that Forgeworld seems to still be moving at a steady pace for rules and books while GW is hammering them out. Makes it hard for them to keep up.
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do you guys use any primer other than black or white?
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>https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

Looks like this might have gotten takedown'ed.
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>>51353210
I sometimes go with gray if I need something more neutral, or red for some certain armies and color schemes.
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>>51352923
>"Fat"
Not everything can have loli-style proportions, anon.
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>>51353210
Grey is good. Probably why the plastic is grey, most colours seem to go well over it
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>>51353214
Note to self, make a mega account and copy everything in the mega link in it next time.

Thanks fuck I had all the codex and campaign in my account tho.
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>>51353182
>this is how you make a female body
>literally a man in a dress

lol ok anon
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Is there anything like the T95 Super-Heavy in 40k?
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In celebration of the rebirth of Ynneas, I've decided to start repping Slaanesh and have been playing around with Traitor Legions. Raptors are new for me and I'm not sure which squad the Jump Lords should join.

Any advice on building Emp's children? I get its probably not super optimized but I'm okay with that because I love my Noise Marines.
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>>51353246
>he doesn't realise that boys make the best girls
Have you been on any other board on this site in the last decade?
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>>51353265
shadowsword
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>That Emissary model
Shit

>That Warrior model
Nice-u

>That Emissary
Apart from the extra spikes n shit, it's shit
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>>51353265
IT IS THE BANEBLADE
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>>51353214
The one in the wip threads with all the painting guides and white dwarfs got nuked too
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>>51353265
How thick is that gun mantlet? Several inches, at least?
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>>51353265
That would definitely be the Shadowsword
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>>51352831
I havent made a list in a very very long time. I'm two editions behind. If I was thinking about being a memelord and running this, what does /tg/ think?

1850

Tank Commander (2) - 330pts
1 Tank Commander: Leman Russ Commander,Tank Orders,Battle cannon,Heavy bolter
1 Leman Russ: Battle cannon,Heavy bolter

Leman Russ Squadron (3) - 450pts
3 Leman Russ: Battle cannon,Heavy bolter

Leman Russ Squadron (3) - 450pts
3 Leman Russ: Battle cannon,Heavy bolter

Platoon Command Squad (5) - 35pts
1 Platoon Commander: Voice of Command,Laspistol,Close combat weapon
2 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman: Flamer
1 Guardsman

Infantry Squad (10) - 55pts
1 Sergeant: Laspistol,Close combat weapon
8 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman: Flamer

Infantry Squad (10) - 55pts
1 Sergeant: Laspistol,Close combat weapon
8 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman: Flamer

Platoon Command Squad (5) - 35pts
1 Platoon Commander: Voice of Command,Laspistol,Close combat weapon
2 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman
1 Guardsman: Flamer

Infantry Squad (10) - 55pts
1 Sergeant: Laspistol,Close combat weapon
8 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman: Flamer

Infantry Squad (10) - 55pts
1 Sergeant: Laspistol,Close combat weapon
8 Guardsman: Lasgun
1 Guardsman: Flamer

Chimera (1) - 65pts
1 Chimera: Multi-laser,Heavy flamer

Chimera (1) - 65pts
1 Chimera: Multi-laser,Heavy flamer

Chimera (1) - 65pts
1 Chimera: Multi-laser,Heavy flamer

Chimera (1) - 65pts
1 Chimera: Multi-laser,Heavy flamer

Chimera (1) - 65pts
1 Chimera: Multi-laser,Heavy flamer
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>>51353268
Lord should probably go with a Warp Talon squad so as to not overlap with Fear, and to get him into combat quickly, while the raptors may prefer to sit back and shoot sometimes.

I'd skip on some of the close combat weapons on noise marines. They tend to be a bit of a waste of points, and you can't take them with a sonic blaster anyway due to how it's written.

The Icons might also be a bit of a waste on smaller squads like those, unless you stick a lord with them. Consider a 10 man squad with 2 blastmasters and an icon to sit back and shoot without a Rhino, skipping on some of the CC and icon upgrades on the other squads to get more bodies for them as well. You can potentially skip on blastmasters in the 5 man teams as well in order to save points, as they often want to shoot different things than the sonic blasters.
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>>51353269
cant wait for slannesh to be squatted, permanently.
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>>51353072
And yet that doesn't explain her short fat fingers on her fat hands connected to her fat thick arms.
Her head also looks stupid but GW has never made a well designed face for a female model.
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>>51352954

She's got a nice pussy.
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>>51353322
I doubt it will be since it's still mentioned in a ton of new fluff
Remember that TKs and Brets were completely wiped from the lore before they got squatted

Slannesh is still around baby
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>>51353314
Hmm see I wanted to do that originally and thats normally how I run Noise Boys, but the problem is I'll go over my points limit. Should I maybe axe a squad of Raptors or Talons? Try to build them as 10 man squads without CCW or Blastmasters?
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>>51353347
not once the electrocutions start
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>>51353296
That is one foot of steel.
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>>51353364
>implying that would make it stronger
I'd play Slaanesh if it wasn't for the fact the models look kinda, bad
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>>51353347
That belly-button eyeball bothers me.
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>>51353384
I'd fuck it.
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>>51353158
>chubby girls
Nigga.
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>>51353322
Speaking on the subject, why all the hate for Slaanesh, /tg/? Everyone thinks of them as the God of sex and shit and I guess they are, but they're also the God of rock n' roll and EVERY kind of excess, which is pretty fucking cool.

Is it because everyone is a raging Khornefag? Has everyone forgotten the halcyon days of Doomrider?
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>>51352954
It's literally the default pose of 3d model, if they (designer) decided they're gonna be a lazy fuck with posing, at least make the joint arm more flexible so we can pose the arm a bit, but no, these character have some weird ass joint on everything, even the head have a special joint.
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>>51353384
>implying after a week of nofap you would give a shit
I wanna lick Slaanesh's bellyeye
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>>51353401
hurrg excess is as worn dry as hurrr violence, man
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>>51353401
Slaanesh is objectively the worst.

>little baby goddess
>dumb
>not khorne
>Doggo daemon beats any slaaneshi daemon
See?
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>>51353401
I don't know. If I had to pick a god it would be Slaanesh. I think she has the best domain.
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REMINDER: SLANNESHI TRANSEXUAL YOUTUBERS ARE WARHAMMER RELATED AND SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED OR BANNED USER!!!
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>>51353403
>default pose for 3D model isn't T pose
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>>51353401
I'm a Nurgle guy myself, but Slaanesh is alright.
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>>51353433
...
Was that even English?
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>>51353401
I make my own Slaanesh fluff since GW are incompitant twats
>Doomrider is now a Headless Horseman biker that heralds an invasion
>Warband is led by the Spectre of Chemos who misses his time as a legionary and is trying to make an Imperium BETTERER then the Imperium - but can't focus due to boredom of victory
>I played a Black Crusade PC who was basically a chef that was so obsessed with being the best chef he used obscene ingredients to make the perfect dishes and was obsessed with their quality.
>"What do you MEAN this not!Vodka wasn't distilled in the northern pole of the planet? You plebs reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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I need the pic of slaanesh fapping for science
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>>51353451
Don't reply to this faggot. Just don't do it.
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>>51353356
I might say to skip on a squad of Talons to help save points, though I have less experience with them overall.

Skipping on CCW is something I would say to do regardless, unless you intend on it being a super-cheap CC noise marine squad just to fill out the formation, which might be an option. Holding off on Blastmasters can also help make Icons of excess more efficient. Consider that the 34 points on both of those can basically buy you 2 more marines.

You don't need to give all of the squads transports. Instead, I'd focus on what you want each Noise Marine squad to be doing and shooting at. Blastmasters are versatile, but excel at long range support. Sonic blasters can be good on the move, but want to bunker down somewhere with enemies nearby. Close combat weapons work well with a doom siren, but you can't charge with salvo and you don't want to tie up a blastmaster in CC.

My advice is essentially to not see your Noise marine squads as a single type of unit that all has to be kitted out the same way. Think of the various ways you can customize and specialize them, as if they were different unit entries entirely. There's a lot of ways to build them, but that doesn't mean you need to take all of it at once.
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>>51353451
Should not ban user YOU UNDERSTAND!?
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>>51353458
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>>51353401
>excess
>cool
kek. slaanesh is hot topic - the god
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>>51353143

Chubby-chaser detected. KY.
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YOU SEE HER FACE SHE IN ECSTACY FROM GODDESS SLANNESH
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>>51353433
absolutely disgusting
>>51353471
top fucking kek lad
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>>51353485
>HER
>SHE
Get the fuck out.
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>>51353458
For more information it's from the one page comic where nurgle rolls for seduction
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Girls like playing warhammer too.
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>>51353477
So, wait are space marine fat? Because their armor is WAAAAY chunkier than that.

It's armor. It's supposed to be thick.
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>>51353509
>Girl
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>>51353522
GIRL(S)
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>>51352923
The more I look at her attire, the more it bothers me.
Wtf is that hairpiece and how is she supposed to bend down of she has that restricting piece of gold/metal on the front.
Is that why shes not wearing shoes? Cause she can't bend down?
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>>51353420
Is it though? Genie-style corruption stories are pretty lacking in 40k. I mean, it happens, I'm sure there are some, but none of them really come to mind as iconic or particularly well known.

>>51353429
>khorne worshippers are actually lobotomized
>slaanesh: dumb
>settling for dogos when whatever the fuck a fiend is exists
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DO NOT REPLY TO FATPOSTERS AND TRANNYPOSTERS
HIDE FATPOSTS AND TRANNYPOSTS
IGNORE THE AUTISTS KILLING /40KG/
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>>51353533
>mfw these are the 'people' throwing a hissyfit in these threads whenever somebody mentions trump
WEW
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>>51353539
>ignoring swee/tg/irls

You know they all come and post here too???

lol go back to /pol/estine if you don't like it
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>>51353433
>>51353506
>>51353522
>>51353533
Imagine being this cancerous.
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>>51353477

>itt: 300lbs neckbeards think all female models should be anorexic

For the SoS to make any sense as an armoured figure, they would have to be entirely liquid. On the left you see what happens when a designer takes a female body and just applies armour detail to the surface. On the right is what a demale in armour would actually look like.
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>>51353539
/40kg/ has always been shit.
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>>51353561
A true female has a body like pic related

kinda chunky but can also be good for bearing children.
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>>51353516
Sister power armor are not the same as the Space Marine "Black Carapace" one. Although in game they have the same stat.
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Nice thinly veiled /pol/ thread we got here.
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>>51353569
>bearing children

I have some bad news for you friendo
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>>51353565
It's always been shit, but these funposters are caustic diarrhea compared to the usual shit that is Tau hate, rulesbitching and Carnac/Raptors Anon.
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Is there any way to mitigate Perils besides the Farseer's mask and the Thousand Sons' free reroll?
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In the name of the Lord of Excess /tg/, what crazy new strategies or tactics are you going to employ in your next game?
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>>51352938
This.
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>>51353587
Girls play warhammer too, and the ones who have youtube channels are warhammer related, why wouldn't we discuss them in threads, we talk about all the other WH40k youtubers?

Do you like like talking about guys only? It's ok to be gay anon, but some of us like talking about girls.
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>>51353599
Good Ld shenanigans, since that's most of the perils table.
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Something tells me that against non Marines, i'd get my shit pushed in hard
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>>51353569
>that sigil of saturn worship
hes probably a cannibalistic (((pedophile))) 2bh
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>>51353600
secretly taking my opponants' minis off the board when they go to get more cheetos
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>>51353582
They won't leave! They keep trying to make off-topic half-baked political references using chaos gods! Send help!
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>>51353600
A list comprised of nothing but Flash Gitz and Nobz all led by Baddruk
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How many Chaos Legions could you fit into a single 1850 army?

I'm thinking:

>IW CAD, cram with Havocs
>Night Lords Raptor Talon + spawn
>Alpha Legion Warband + spawn
>DG CAD, cram with Bikers and possibly Havocs
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>>51353614
Good point.
Malefic Daemonology on an Inquisitor. Gonna have a lot of Perils coming.
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>>51353641
I'd make Death Guard the warband desu.
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>>51353643
I feel like Inquisitors should be in the clear for Daemonology perils. I mean, Coteaz is literally THE motherfucking daemonhunter but he perils on doubles for sanctic.
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I HAVE INFORMATION FROM INSIDE SOURCE IN G.W.

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THIS IS ONLY FOR YOU MY FELLOW FA/TG/UYS (AND GIRLS)

SO HERE IT IS
The Alpha Legion are indeed loyalists and will play a pivotal part in the coming books, they are tasked with the important goal of "killing" the Emperor and releasing his soul. This was their objective always, never to defeat all of humanity. The Cabal is still active and will play a large part in seeing the Eldar and Imperials' alliance.

THIS IS 100% REAL AND SPICY
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>>51353675
S O U R C E
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>>51353684
MY FRIEND'S WIFE'S SON JAMAL WHO WORKS THERE IN NOTTINGHAM CENTRAL OFFICE
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>>51353692
>british person
>called jamal
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>>51353696
> Implying that white people still exist in britain
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>>51353675
Ugh, I hate the Cabal.
Can't ANYTHING else heal Good Ol' Emps?
Plus, if the Emperor dies, the setting (effectively) dies as well.
I don't want that to happen, so I will dismiss this leak as fake.
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>>51353675
Seem legit bub.
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>>51353704
>>51353696
>Talking about unimportant shit instead of my valuable revelation
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>>51353704
Britian is 92% white.

But that's not the point. People in Britain don't call their kids Jamal. Not even black ones.
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>>51353600
loading a command squad with meltas and drop podding next to their vehicle and destroying it turn 1 like i always du
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>>51353578
Regardless, it's still power armour, and there's even lore saying that Sororitas armour was derived from the Space Marine PA project, so you should expect some bulk. GW has often downplayed the fact that Sisters armour is actually meant to be armour though, because that means more tits, corsets, and curves.
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>>51353723
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37708697
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>>51353641
Why alpha legion warband+spawn, you get next to nothing for your trouble
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>>51353719
Post a source if you want to be taken with an ounce of seriousness. Seriously, /tg/ even values such shit sites as BoLS. Making shit up isn't hard as long as you make it look legit.
Have this consolation (you) for effort though.
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>>51353675
if it happens I won't be surprised, but I will be disappointed

alpha legion just can't catch a fucking break, their fluff has been fucking butchered by the worst of the Horus Heresy bullshit
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>>51353675
>The Cabal is still active
The Beast Arises would like a word.
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>>51353724
There's something absolutely sexy about a full squad loaded up with the same special or melee weapon going to town on things.
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Slaanesh Daemonkin and Aeldari Agents when?
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>>51353757
They didn't say it was canon dude
They didn't say it was canon
I want to fucking kill myself
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>>51353715
If the Emps "dies" all his power is reborn, just how he was originally born, when all the shamans got together and suicided so he could be born. So all things are cyclical and he too must be reborn.

Chaos isn't done, but expect chaos to become more Daemon-y and less human-y if you know what I mean.

Necrons, Tau, Orks, and rebellious factions in the Empire all still need to be fought, so nothing really changes except that Emperor is reborn and Alpha Legion come back into the fold.
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>>51353715
or he will become a god like sigmar, effectively multiplying his power in the billion
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>>51353773
Pretty obvious slaanesh is beign squatted
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>>51353747
Everything shrouded + auto night fighting = 4+ in the fucking open desu

2+ when infiltrating into ruins turn 1
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>>51353461
Taking your advice and trying out some new Noise Marine tactics. I'm thinking the two big blobs for backline support, the two small sonic squads for objective snagging and the two melee squads footslogging down the middle as the 'anvil'. Spawn will probably run around and babysit whoever they need to, most likely the footsloggers as meatshields. 100 points more but I feel like this might make more sense as a list?

It's probably more efficient to give rhinos to everyone instead of the DP, but herohammer calls my name.
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>>51353792
So they just shoot your iron warrior stuff

They were going to do that anyway
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>>51352922
Relax, they're just continuing a time-honoured tradition of creative names and references, like "Gue'la", "Mon'keigh", and "Bloodsecrat...

...

... So, about that GW Knight of the Long Knives thing you were talking about?
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>>51353780
>>51353781
With the Emperor able to guide the Imperium, we'd enter another human Golden Age. That would make the setting a LOT less interesting, as instead of a desperate struggle, we have a triumphant, all conquering human empire. We already got that in 30k. Plus, as lame as it may sound, I don't want the setting to change that much.
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>>51353847
he's not reborn right away, there's a time between his "death" and rebirth.

It's a time of great upheaval
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>>51353847
sigmar is a literral god a still struggle.
The 40k chaos gods (and most gods) also struggle
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Emp will die and become a chaos god, Slaanesh will fuck off back to Africa, Rowboat Girlyman will wake up and get Imperium Secundus up and running.

Calling it now.
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>>51353882
Sound so shitty that GW certanly will do it.
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>>51353882
This llama get's it
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>>51353882
>forgets the Terminus Decree from the Grey Knights and Cypher's route to Terra
6/10, see me after class.
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>>51353723
You're right. It's Muhammed.
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>>51352922

Please. Unless you're on par with someone who can pull off appropriately trippy shit, anything you could replace it with would be just as bad. Might not seem as much to your personally.

Well, I won't disagree that the Bloodsecrator naming convention is abominable. Bringing that to 40k would suck. At least lay a figleaf of inventiveness over what you're doing. Solar Macharius is a good example, taking Macedonia (Alexander the Great's birthplace) and bastardizing it for the pseudo-Latin of the far future, referencing Alexander through action and historical reference while adding in a few choice fluff changes and at least removing the name a step or two from those direct references.
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I'm not up to date on my Dark Angels lore but whats a cypher and whats he doing currently?
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Malefic Daemonology Inquisitor, Predators, bikes, and even more fun. This is the fourth or fifth version of this army, and the most recent. I mostly face Marines, CSM, and Guard; how effective am I looking at this being?
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>>51353675
>>51353780
But wait, if the 'great plan' was just assassinating the Emperor all along so he can be brought back to life, why go traitor to start with? Why not participate in the Siege of Terra? How pre-meditated is this? Where do Alpharius/Omegon fit into all of this?
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>>51353908
He's doing some business.
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>>51353908
>whats a cypher
a fallen angel

>and whats he doing
being mysterious
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>>51353908
Butt Stuff
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>>51353833
I'd say it looks pretty good, actually. I think you could theoretically save some points by cutting out a few Sonic Blasters on the backline support teams, though unless it was enough to buy a Rhino or something to help get them across the board faster, that's probably not as worthwhile.
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>>51353859
Yeah, but in WHFB the Empire was nowhere near the juggernaut the Imperium of Man is in 40k. Plus, the chaos gods struggle due to having limited influence on the Materium. With the Emperor coming back to life or transcending he overcomes whatever difficulties the other divine beings faced. He has resources, he has followers, the galaxy would be his oyster.

>>51353857
This is a fair point, but I have a feeling that it would not stay that way. Either this would be canon for a WHFB End Times short amount of time, or it would eventually become unsatisfying as a setting.
Rightnow the setting is nigh-hopeless. It's grimdark and fun. If we're waiting for Emps to come back, it will get nobledark, and we'd pretty much just be left waiting for them to kill the setting by bringing Him back.

I'm not saying that everything is doomed, I'm just not optimistic about the chances of it being handled to satisfaction.
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>>51353314
But the talons have fear, they are daemons.
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Oi, ya Grots! Zum Zum 'Eadzappa's boyz wanna know which ah his Rokkit Boyz you lot like da best.
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>>51353898

>yfw it's a copy of the codex astartes
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>>51353840
They're in the backfield with 3+ cover first turn, oblits striking in.
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>>51353898
If the Terminus Decree is only known of by the Supreme Grand Master AND there are no records of it anywhere, how does a new Supreme Grand Master find out about it once his predecessor dies?
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>>51353958
all of them and will you marry me
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>>51353925
>>whats a cypher
>a fallen angel
That's still yet to be decided.
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>>51353932
Nice! Thanks for the advice anon, it was really helpful! For smaller games I'll probs cut the DP to give everybody a rhino, maybe even in bigger ones.
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>>51353965
They probably leave a friendly little note in the Supreme Grandmaster's Chamber, kind of how out going presidents leave one for incoming ones.
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>>51353978
He is fallen, but we don't know is he loyal or not.
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>>51353965
Presumably he gets shown the vault, and when he goes in there's a post it with "In case of emergency break glass" written in crayon.

On that note, what happens if its "the Imperiums darkest hour" and good old Cornflakes Dungaroos is off getting blown by a daemonette?
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>>51353731

>defending fat girls

I've got some bad news for you, chunky-monkey.
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>>51353974
I fink you loik em a bit too much!
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going to bed now night night :)
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>>51353958
nice
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>>51353986
No trouble. Glad I could be of some help. Test it out, see what you like, and go make some Noise!
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>>51354000
Oh. It's just low-effort b8/memetardery. Good to know.
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>>51352831
>now fat lady Malys
Still not Lady Malys
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Anyone want to come up with some Alpha Legion 40k loyalist Army lists with me
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>>51354067
Still not fat. It's mostly the dress.
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>>51354070
Just play them as count-as Dark Angels
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>>51354067
Still not fat. It's the dress.
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>>51353993
In the latest (and shittiest) Dark Angel novel, where Azrael and Cypher bro up, go back to the past, and blow up Caliban, Cypher is "revealed" as a good guy, long time friend of the Dark Angel's Grand Masters, and he's been captured and released by the DA countless times, disregarding and violating every bit of his fluff since 2E.

Yay Black Library.
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>>51352923
Mate, she's just got a strong core like any good fighter, nothing fat about her.
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>no Orks, Tyranids, Tau in gathering of the storm

I feel left out, anons. It's kindergarten all over again.
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>>51353058
>Sisters of Silence
>Power Armor

They're just wearing regular plate, it's unpowered.
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>>51352848

Emps and Ynnead are order gods, not chaos gods ya dip
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>>51354104
Hey dumb dumb there are lights and servos and electronics in their armor not to mention the fuggin backpack which contains the power source
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>>51354100
We're not even a month in, and there's probably going to be more than 2 parts to this.

Just wait. Sheesh.
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>>51354100
Sorry, plot relevant armies only.
Maybe next time, sport.
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>>51354110
nah, everything that stems from the Warp is Chaos.

the only non-Chaos God is the Wolf God of Fenris since its power is not Warp related
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>>51354100
>year-long series
>still the first month of the year
>why isn't everyone getting toys right now! GW hates [faction]!
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>>51354110
Emps is a DAoT machine pretending to be a person, not a god.
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>>51353433
>>51353485
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>>51354100
There are orks though.
They are near the beginning of the book too.
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>>51354104

And yet still manages to not look fat.
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>>51354132
>Butlerian Jihad intensifies
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>>51354122
>tyranids
>the biggest threat in the setting
>not getting any mention at all
>focus on eldars and chaos instead

You can't excuse that.
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>>51353433
She's fuck fuckk

I would..
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>>51354131
But GW does hate orks and their local nid writer hates nids.
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>>51354138
Celestine and that new Eldar don't look fat either.
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>>51354148
Probably no ideas for new models to sell.
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>>51354137
As filler. They have no part in the main story
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>>51354148
You'll always be second fiddle to Chaos pal, might as well accept it.
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>>51354148
Anon different events can happen at the same time in different places.

Do you know how much of a clusterfuck it'd be if they tried to cram EVERYTHING that happens at once into one book?
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>>51354148
>No reason for Tyranids to really be near Cadia
>Don't even know what the second event is yet, or if it mentions Tyranids

They have an entire YEAR to mention them in their own book.
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>>51354151
GW lavishes the orks and tyranids with new miniatures, and tyranids just got a fleshed out, fully plastic, highly competitive subfaction.

Rules are a wash more often than not, but neither of them are especially left out. When there are a dozen+ factions, shit isn't going to include all of them at all times.
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>>51354120
Can't see anything resembling servos on those models. Backpacks could be anything, communications, rebreather filters etc etc

All the art and fluff says it's regular plate armour, made out of the same shit Custodes' PA is.

That's why they're skinnier than Sisters of Battle, they haven't got a bunch of fibre-bundle muscles under the armour.
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>>51354163
They did that in EoT and it turned out well. I am sick of all the chaos chaos chaos focus when it's not more important than any otheer faction.
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>>51354151
>Cruddance writes Nids /gathering storm book
>They get effortlessly curbstomped by whoever they're fighting and regulated to fodder duty for the rest of the event
>The models they get will be ugly and disgustingly overpriced compared to the ones all the other armies get
It hurts, lads.
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>>51354169
I'm all for them being left out of the story but the shoddy rules are my problem not the story.
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So, since the FAQ took a shit on Deathwatch. Which chapter should I convert my marines to?

I haven't gotten them painted yet, so it's going to be as easy as popping off the shoulder pads and putting on new ones. Though the Blackstar, Infernus bolters, and Frag Cannons will end up going to waste.
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>>51354172
Anon, Chaos IS more important than other factions.

Certainly more than Tau.
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>>51354190
>but the shoddy rules are my problem
then you should realize that none of these gathering storm books will fix those problems
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>>51354193
I'd argue that the Imperium, Eldar as a whole, and Chaos serve as the triumvirate of actually plot relevant factions.
Everything revolves around them.
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>>51354199
Well i wasn't the anon complaining about them not being in Gathering storm i was just pointing out that GW does infact hate certain factions.
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>>51354072

A dress that accentuates the hips is great, in my opinion.

I'm a big fan of Dior, which emphasized body-forming upper body combined with poofy lower dress to create an exaggerated hourglass figure, the smaller, inverted triangle of the torso on top of the large triangle of the dress.

Lots of fashion stylings aim to emphasize shape, including a lot of modern styles that play with looser tops and narrower bottoms; loose sweatshirts and tight leggings. Standard contemporary rule of thumb for fashion, at least women, is to go with one portion that hugs the body and emphasizes the shape, while the other masks it, although that's certainly a more casual style.
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>>51354193
>>51354201
no, tyranids are the main big bad. All factions must ally to beat them.
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>>51354169
>GW lavishes the orks and tyranids with new miniatures
When did that fucking happen?

>tyranids just got a fleshed out, fully plastic, highly competitive subfaction.
One that can't even be played decently with nids because Shadow in the Warp fucks shit up.
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>>51354190
Ask the Thousand Sons players that were hyped for Wrath of Magnus and then felt the intense fisting that was Traitor Legions when they realized that a furry wrote their rules and someone competent those for the other legions.
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>>51354153
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>>51354201
>Eldar
>Relevant
>This is what Aeldariboos actually believe

Only as fapbait
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>>51354216
>When did that fucking happen?
Did you just not notice both of them have complete, plastic and current lines?

Compare them with Eldar and Chaos.
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>>51354100
>Not being happy for orks/nids being later in the releases due to power creep

We need every advantage we can get at this point anon.
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>>51354224
Don't bring everyone down with your shitty tastes, Anon
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>>51354216

Orruks and the Gorkanaut release. Not really lavishing. GSC is lavish but not technically Tyranid proper.
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>>51353841
Knights of the long knifes sounds like a White Scars successor chapter. And they should somehow the ritual of the long knifes from eragon
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>>51354128
Eh, GW always pulls some contrived bullshit to justify cramming every single playable army into in major events like this. Just wait a few months, it'll happen.
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>>51354231
What, you don't appreciate the fine and stunning details of those finecast aspect warriors?
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>>51354216
>Orks

Sigmar

>Nids

Nids got a ton of new plastic shit honestly, with the Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst and Toxicrene/Malaceptor being the things that come to mind. It's just that they're garbage on the tabletop.

Also I fucking hate people like >>51354169 who claim GSC is a bone thrown to Nids. They're not even fucking Battle Brother's for fuck's sake, that's like saying Harlequins are a fleshed-out subfaction for Tau or something.
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>>51354229
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>>51354238
It's also infinitely better than Tyranids could ever dream of being with their current dex!
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>>51354128
>Not seeing that the orks are being set up as the final force to reset the status quo after all this is over.

Its like you never even read the latest ork dex or Waaagh Ghazzy....
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>>51354100

I imagine they're going to see a lot of action in the Eastern Fringe.

Orks and Tau are very active out there (well, Tau are exclusive to out there), and there's a good deal of Necron kingdoms out there as well, perhaps the Silent King, too? Tyranids are also mostly coming from that direction, although there was also Leviathan (or was it Kraken or Behemoth?) that came from under the Galactic Plane.

For Orks, Ghazzy at least is probably going to head towards the Eye, so that might bring him out of the equation for the EF. Also possible there's Orks he hasn't gathered that are mustering out there.
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>>51354258
Never really got a chance.
All the Ork players around my place either gave up and sold most of their armies or stopped playing all together.
It's honestly pretty upsetting.
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>>51354244
>Sigmar
doesnt mean shit. only new kits are the big overpriced ogryn sized dudes. i mean they are nice models but hardly count as an ork release
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>>51354239

Sounds like the Tau Bonding Ritual with their knives.
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>>51354274
I mean with nids they are currently attacking Blood Angels in the fluff but i don't see the nids getting out of it.
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>>51354239
>Knights of the long knifes sounds like a White Scars successor chapter.
Hah, it actually does, but some people might not appreciate naming a Chapter that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
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>>51354275
Snotlings like dat don't deserve tah WAAAGH!
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>>51354148

>tyranids
>the most boring army in the setting
>not getting any mention because they literally act the same way at all times and as such are extremely predictable and boring
>focus on more interesting factions
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>>51354192
>Waaaa my army god weaker, time to bin it.
If you had any fucking love for deathwatch in the first place, stick with them.
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>>51354130
>Wolf God Fenris since its power is not Warp related
Least intelligent post in the thread. Congratz.
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>he doesnt play artillery with actual spotter teams
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>>51354242
ha ha ha ha ha

Yeah I just can't get enough of those monopose models straight from '94. Or the berserkers from '98, those look fucking great next to the new kharn.

Sure am glad I don't play orks or tyranids! Being treated like a leper in the game store? Models older than the people bitching at you with no cohesive style? Doesn't matter, because GW gave my armies good rules and that's all that matters to me.
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>>51354306
>tyranids
>the most boring army in the setting

Don't bully 'nids.
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>>51354231
>Did you just not notice both of them have complete, plastic and current lines?
Orks non current/plastic lines
>tankbustas
>kommandoes
>Ghazghkull
>big mek (any variant)
>deffkopta
>warbuggy
>all named HQs
>wierdboyz
>warboss (only plastic is mono-pose Battle for Vedros version)

The only plastic HQ at this point is the painboy.

Not to mention shit like the boyz are a decade old at this point. Yes, I realize guardsmen are in this conundrum as well.
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Requesting good YouTube stuff to watch, these onemindsyndicate beaners are painful to watch. They basically read out wiki articles and then give no credit to the wiki at all... They can't pronounce half the words, not exaggerating. They're why people voted Trump.
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>>51354315
Warp is powered by emotion. Is wolf an emotion?
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>>51354148
>tyranids
>the biggest threat in the setting
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>>51354169
>First new ork models and codex in years,the models are nice but the rules make the army a literal joke.

>Army still gets crushed by power creep in literally no time at all as the Ork dex was released back to back with the Eldar dex.

>Orks got lavished.

Youre a special kind of stupid arent you?

Giving a faction just enough to sting them along while releasing a codex with rules so mathmatically bad they had to not even have been number crunched even ONCE, (lets not even get into play testing) is not being lavished with shit.

Heres your fucking(You)
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>>51354329
To the Space Wolves, yes.
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>>51354339
I dunno, what do you call it when it transcends mere emotion and becomes one's entire existence?
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>>51352923

The more I look at this the more I hate it.

My friend is so excited about this release...
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>>51354324
>The only plastic HQ at this point is the painboy.
shokk attack gun
painboy
warboss (generic)
warboss (grukk)
generic mek

did you forget they put grukk in a regularly stocked box?
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>>51354339
Furries have no emotions, just yiffs.
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>>51354324
I honestly prefer the design principle behind decade old kits. The sprues are easier to cut parts off of because they aren't so stuffed full of shit and you can pose them easier, while modern kits mostly only have single poses you're supposed to assemble your figures into.
If only the catachans and cadians didn't look so shit.
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>>51354337
>GW lavishes orks with miniatures
>with M I N I A T U R E S
can you not read, you dumb fuck?
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>>51354339
That's because they're vikings
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>>51354327
EgoQueenAlexis, fiaura the tank girl.

Your welcome
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>>51354367

you're a big guy
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Hey /tg/, where did this 'Aeldari' terminology come from? Is it the new name for Eldar or something?

Pic related if true.
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>>51354363
We're talking about the game you literate fuck.

If you don't like the models just go 3ed party, serves GW right but not releasing new minis.
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so i got kill team and a start collecting tau box, and i want to optimize for fun, not winning

im thinking i make one squad of breachers, one of firewarriors (rifles i guess?)

thoughts?
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>>51354350
>shokk attack gun
Legit forgot that
>painboy
already pointed that out
>warboss (generic)
Not a buyable kit. You have to get a starter box that isn't regularly stocked
>warboss (grukk)
mono-pose shit that only lets you make Grukks and nothing else
>generic mek
not an HQ
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>>51354375
Yeah want a bite?
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>>51354377
It is.

Congratulations
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>>51354377

People are assuming it's an Elves = Aelves thing.

Eldar is a tenuous copyright at best and now they own the word Aeldari
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>>51354387
just do like me
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>>51354389

First one to talk gets to stay on my Thunderhawk
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>>51354377
A first-party spoiler video for Fracture of Biel-Tan where Ahriman refers to them as Aeldari. I'd post the link but I'm tired af. Video's on the community website.

>>51354378
>you literate fuck
What? Were you trying to insult him, or?
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>>51354387
>Tau

>/40kG/
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>>51354388
>generic mek
>not an HQ
are they elites? I thought you could take a base mek in HQ.

>mono-pose shit that only lets you make Grukks and nothing else
same as every character box set released in the past like ten years
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>>51354395
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>>51354377
In End Times (Warhammer Fantasy -> Age of Sigmar transition) Elves got renamed to Aelves.
We expect similar things to happen here.
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>>51353429
Khorne is by far the most boring. Every other God has character and is 3-dimensional to an extent with Slaanesh essentially being Satan. Khorne is just le blood God with nothing outside of that. Some people may like that but I find it too bland.
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>>51354400

>reverse image search
>0 matches

THE TAU ARE IN THIS THREAD

PREPARE THE ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT
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>>51354401
I think you responded to the wrong thing bucko.
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>>51354363
>Most of the releases were for ork models that havent had a model for a decade or more.

Youre fucking wrong asshat.
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>>51354387
A squad of Breachers and Fire Warriors will do you fine. Carbines might be better if you want more fun, as they help encourage you to get closer and be more mobile rather than simply turtling up in a gunline.

Short range Tau can lead to some pretty exciting games.
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>>51354415
It's not a new image. Ignore that (you)farmer.
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>>51354400
that paunch
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>>51354400
no
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>>51354414
Always found the way they look to be dull too.
Red and brass and stupid looking bunny-ear helmets just don't do it for me.
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>>51354402
The guy can obviously read, don't insult him.
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We could do an amazing podcast like 10 or so of us from the thread.... Just an idea...
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Why did the shitty new list builder that's missing entire armies and dozens of units become the new standard?
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>>51354437
When there was no old standard
When /tg/ had no standards
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>>51354422
i like this idea :D
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>>51354446
Not when, why. We've had Battlescribe for a long time now. Looks better, actually complete. Why change to something uglier and incomplete?
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>>51354460
Battlescribe has gotten shitty.
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>>51354433

>40k general podcast
wouldn't it mostly just be memes?
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>>51354460
Because you can just open it in a tab?
What armies are you even talking about?
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>>51354460
>>51354465

Convenience honestly. Battlescribe needs to be downloaded and updated, Listbuilder is just on the internet.
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>>51354433
>>51354466
>the podcast would literally just discuss the topics in that one faggot's bingo image
>apart from bitching about whatever the latest release is
>with the occasional smattering of /pol/
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>>51354433
It would be terrible. I come here for my two minutes hate.
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>>51354479
Would we just call it
>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
Or something along those lines?
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What is an appropriate level to bring a baneblade or a baneblade variant?
inb4 "apocalypse"
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>>51354501
>The Initiative 2 podcast
>where the casters are as on point and topical as Orks are fast
I can see it happening.
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>>51354510
1500, or more realistically 1850 because Baneblades are generally overcosted as shit.
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>>51354510
Even 1500. Baneblade and all its variants are not bad but they are not overly competitive either.
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>>51354473
Non-IA Inquisition.
Death Korps.
Elysians.
Renegades and Heretics.

Similarly missing most Forge World units. Can't post my Marines here because Battlescribe/plaintext is ignored and the web listbuilder has no Sicarans, no Rapiers, and none of a few others.
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>>51354510
>bringing a super heavy in normal 40k games
apocalypse
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So anyone has Fifteen Hours book in .pdf? Can't see it on mega.
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>>51354425
Why are we worried about Celestine's fitness when most of our playerbase are in urgent need of a salad?
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>>51354466
Our discussions would be better content then 90 %of the other 40k stuff on YouTube.

If you guys are interested I could potentially run it unless someone else has experience with YouTube.
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>>51354437

It's because of the constant flood of newfags. If you don't believe me, just watch how often people will ask about it, only to be told to either fuck off or that it's in the fucking OP.
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>>51354531
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>>51354545
thanks buddy
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>>51354554
What is it?
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>>51354521
>>51354524
Yeah, I figured. I could get a baneblade for cheap from a friend and was thinking about if I could actually play with it.
>>51354525
Imperial Armour and FW aren't official though ;^)
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>>51354559
It's a politeness anon. It's rare in these parts
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If i add 2 more biker units, would they be better in a Gorepack or in the WE butcherhorde?
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>>51354562
>Imperial Armour and FW aren't official though ;^)

Don't worry, it's missing plenty of official shit too. It can't even make bike armies.
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>>51354564
And a very Merry fuck you too
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-e4C0M3a4Q

hey guys

Thousand Sons finally won a game on youtube using actual Thousand Sons and not Magnus or daemon allies
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>>51354510
1850
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how would you react if the avatar of ynead is a reclaimed fulgrim?
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>>51354408
>meks
They don't have a slot, you can take one mek for each HQ you have. You must put them in a unit and they cannot leave that unit for any reason during the game.

>Grukks kit
There's no generic Warboss kit though. So you're stuck with a special power klaw that unnamed warbosses can't equip and a kombi-rokkit that you'd never want to equip.
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>>51354601
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>>51354601
>Slaanesh told him to do the most extreme and taboo thing he could for a follower of Slaanesh
>So he became the avatar of Ynead
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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>>51354590
>southern accent
>unpainted armies
>unpainted board

I could handle maybe 2 of those things but not all 3.
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>>51354539
Id be down but i probably wouldn't supply anything worthwhile as i havent played a game yet.
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>>51354400
Your wife pregnant anon?
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>>51354526
>that one old man that refuses to play 7th

hows 5th edition treating you these days?
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>>51354653
Somebody call the fire department.
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>>51354572
Oh, sorry, I was just shitposting for the sake of it.
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>>51354510

1850+

And you tell your opponent beforehand.
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>>51354625 last game I played was in early 2000s
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>>51354680
But what's the point of warning each other about your lists?
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You have 5 seconds to explain why this isn't a 4+
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>>51354699

I genuinely believe you don't have to.

But if you bring a super heavy without warning your opponent, its a dick move.
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>>51354702
so grots and tau dont hit marines half the time.
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>>51354710
Should i warn my opponent before bringing a hierophant bio-titan?
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>>51354714
Yes but it makes no sense to the chart.
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>>51354710
I guess I will, even if only because I brought my knight in without warning and it seemed to really piss off my opponent.
Even though he wrote his list after he saw what I was bringing.
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>>51354714
WS 2 is the only WS skill that hits 2 above on a 5+ instead of a 4+
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>>51354601

I could see Fulgrim's soul being freed from the Slaaneshi daemon being a side-effect of the creation of ynnead. His physical form being long gone, he becomes an avatar for the newly formed god.
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>>51354666
Hot in there mate?

Checked
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>>51354722
Getting pissy about single knight is retarded. If your army lacks antitank options so much that it cant handle souped-up Dreadnaught, you have some design problems.
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>>51354702
You have 5 seconds to explain why all this isn't 2+
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>>51354720
>>51354728
i know, i know, it was partly a jest.
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>>51354740
>If your army lacks antitank options so much that it cant handle souped-up Dreadnaught, you have some design problems.
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>>51354740
Well, he claimed it was cheesy and stupid design to allow "such a cheap unit shoot that much" while his army was assault-focused Grey Knights and I managed to pop his rhinos and land raider by turn 3. When I managed to roll 3 6s to cover save my devastator squad he just shook my hand and said "I can't win against your luck mang" which seemed odd, because I never get lucky while playing 40k.
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>>51354746
Because it's just as difficult for an eversor and Lelith to hit a grot in melee as it is for them to hit The Emperor's Champion.
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>>51352923
>Iffin' it an't anorexic - IT'S FAT
Herp Diddly-erp
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>>51354570
noob question but where do people get these force org charts? is there an online thing or are they premade
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>>51354772
>>THIS IS THE LIST BUILDER, PLEASE ASK FOR IT WE LOVE POINTING IT OUT
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>>51354746
WS has never hit on a 2+. Not saying that's a great reason but it's a choice anyhow. At least that area keeps in accordance to the rest of it though.
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>>51354772
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
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>>51354774
>tfw too dumb to read the sticky
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>>51354793
It's honestly not that. It's just her colour scheme in general is off. It doesn't say "Eldar" "Aeldari".

The cat is probably fine, but the red combined with the light green and the white. Everything looks off.
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>>51354510
its shit so i would even accept for a 1k point game.
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>>51354110

Emps isn't even a God. He's a psyker plugged into life support that's worshipped by the plebs.
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>>51354811
The hair ornament is just awful. The hair itself is okay if a little over the top, but the stupid peacock headband is ridiculous.

Her outfit overall is pretty hideous, it looks like they just rammed a bunch of random elements together without any idea of the kind of overall feel they were going for.
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>>51352848
These girls do things to my dick
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>>51354811
>her colour scheme
Well, yes.

She's basically a new type of Eldar.
Before you have Craftworlders, Dark Eldar and Harlequins but now you've got this Ynead Eldar... priesthood? following?
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>>51354800
It's ok, we LOVE pointing it out!
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>>51354852
Now replace her stupid fan with something that makes sense and remove the inexplicable gauntlet and you'll have a model that makes sense.
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>>51354859
the cat seals the deal, but I think everything about her looks Egyptian. I hope we're not getting Space Egyptians.
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>>51354887
>My space elf wizard fantasy miniature MUST MAKE SENSE
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>>51354859

I think Ynnead Eldar is just a subsection of craftworlders. Ynnead was always their thing and they did all the work creating him while Harlies worked on Cegorach stuff and Deldar did absolutely nothing useful.
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>>51354918
>Deldar did absolutely nothing useful.

They didnt make things worse usually
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>>51354904
Yes, the design of a fictional character should make thematic sense and not just be a mishmash of random elements that don't work well together at all.
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>>51354887
>the inexplicable gauntlet
Its pretty obvious its meant to tie her in visually with the red armour guy
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>>51354758
Oh sorry, didnt mean to pick on retards. I hope some campaing books gives you 6' tall Ghazkull model.
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>>51354887
Pretty sure she's supposed to look like a Space Victorian Eldar. Y'know, fancy dress and fan.
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>>51354887
like this?
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>>51354758
>tfw trying to explain to the kid that thought his 500 point Knight Crusader made him invincible that no, superheavy walkers aren't immune to being locked in close combat, and yes, his only way of getting out is stomps and a couple of AP/- attacks
Even Orks can handle Knights. They're a total waste of points and anyone that takes one is a fucking retard. I do like playing against Baronial Courts, though. At that point they've admitted that they can't possibly win on points and they're geared up purely to try to table you. Then things get interesting as you scramble to get early objectives and then avoid getting pancaked.
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>>51354978
yes perfect
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>>51354887
>>51354904

I thought the gauntlet was so the husk blade doesnt drink her dry.
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>>51354758
>>51354959
Orks USED to be the one of the best factions for taking down knights when you could swarm it with troops of cheap-as-fuck tank bustas, each of them equipped with a melta bomb.

But then the FAQ happened.
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>>51353616

Nah, just a special snowflake wiccan new age fruitcake.
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>>51354991
Do superheavies not have a rule or anything to make all their attacks AP2 like a monstrous creature does?
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>>51354991
>Even Orks can handle Knights.

How?
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>>51354887
the gauntlet is because huskblades. you have to have protection or they suck you too.
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>>51354100

Just be glad that your faction is distinct enough to probably get its own standalone release later on for this event. Dark Eldar have to share.
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>>51355014
Swarm tank bustas and meganobz.
Easy to do but you're going to have to sacrifice lots of points.
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>>51354887
>replace her stupid fan
But that's part of her wargear. What else will she "Ohohoho!" behind?

>remove the inexplicable gauntlet
But that's essential to controlling The Lady's Blade.
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>>51355029
What the hell are the Tyranids going to get other than some gigantic model that cost twice the points of a wraithknight?
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>>51355046

Why collect tyranids if you don't like giant monstrous creatures?
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>>51354312
It's not even that they're "not good". It's that they got shit on and functionality completely changed from the release.

Effectively can't take dedicated transports anymore

No option to carry a bolter and still be able to charge while shooting a different gun. Due to the interpretation of the FAQ they can't even take a melta + bolter anymore. Not being able to take shotgun + bolter wouldn't be as big of a deal if they had access to bolt pistols.

Black Shield and Veterans are a waste of points now. (even more than the base 22 point marines)

If a character wants to shoot with Banebolts then no one else in the unit they joined can shoot at all. Since all models in a unit have to fire the same special ammo

Thief of Secrets nerfed to the point of being non-usable.

Beacon Angelis no longer functions as the book has it written.

No Deathwatch IC can take bikes.


I'm probably going to make my shit into Black Templars. If I'm going to have mediocre marines I'm not paying 22 points for them.
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>>51355073
To be fair, the whole wave of wave of bugs appeals to people but that's really not how Tyranids turns out.
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>>51355037
No use swarming tankbustas when they can plant single bomb and then eat so much casulties that the knight will just run them over.
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>>51355040
...Her sword's a tamed Bonesword isn't it?
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>>51355086

True enough but GW likes to do big elaborate vanity models now, so that's what you can expect.
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>>51355093
more like an elaborate daemon weapon
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>>51355073
It's not that i don't like them its just i am afraid of it being more over designed than magnus and the new LoC put together and also be not even worth the points. I want big creatures that i can use to reinforce my swarm of bugs
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>>51355086
Damn Warmahordes for being so awesome!

Maybe if they dropped their prices on basic troop choices and made the models easier to put together- like maybe just 2 pieces for a gaunt or something.
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>>51355099
The problem when you're a tyranid player is most of the elaborate vanity models are straight up garbage in game, as in you'd get more value by fielding its points value in extra gaunts.

So you never buy them.
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>>51355111
Pushfit gaunts were a thing.
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>>51355125
They aren't significantly cheaper than normal gaunts so most of their value as a product is lost.
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>>51355111
Wouldn't it make sense to make swarmy armies troop choices cheaper so that people will buy more boxes of them or am i just making a economic fallacy?
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>>51355040
Wasnt Malys a clear agent of Laughing God?
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So i thought about starting Dark Eldar, is it a bad idea?
Any fun list for a fast melee orrientated army?
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>>51354999
But you could always only use 1 grenade per phase as per the 7th Brb. I oegitimately don't get how people never noticed this?
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>>51355179
>Any fun list for a fast melee orrientated army?
Khorne Daemons

DE are sadly in the "Dakka or Die" state of play
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>>51355209
You were only allowed to "throw" one grenades, don't throw grenades in melee.
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>>51355220
Yes you do. You don't just go up to a dude and hand it to him, now do you? If anything, it doesn't make sense at all to use explosives in melee.
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>>51355220
you do now
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>>51355230
No you don't, you're not even allowed to throw melta bombs.
If you have you throw them in melee why are you even allowed to use melta bombs at all?
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>>51355209

It's because they never compared the 6E and 7E wording.
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>>51355238
This is the exact same argument we had when the FAQ originally came out on Facebook
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>>51355163
>Wasnt Malys a clear agent of Laughing God?
He confronted her in the Webway, she beat him in a game of riddles ("To their mutual surprise"), and he gave her his crystal heart and that sword. In a mad fit, Malys cut out her own heart with the possessed sword and replaced it with the crystal one. She now possesses powers of precognition, sometimes suffers laughing fits when she sees her own reflection, and acknowledges that a powerful being shares her soul.

So, yes.

If that new model is Malys (and all signs very well point to yes, including her dress, fan, and sword), it'll be curious to see the dynamic between the surviving Laughing God and the new Death God. Clearly, the Harlequins (and thus their master) supported Ynnead's creation, and the Harlequin codex alludes to predicting that this would happen (as the final prophesy in their book was unveiled), so it's no surprise that he'd be "reaching out" so to speak for his wayword nephew.

>>51355179
If you actually want melee, then yes, bad idea. 7E has made it extremely difficult to run melee lists, and most of our melee units have gone to shit. We only really excel at speed and range. Reavers are one of our best units, as are venoms full of trueborn with x4 blasters. Incubi are our best codex melee unit. However, the Haemonculus supplement has gave us a few strong options, so the talos and grotesques are also viable melee units when running a detachment. Hellions, wyches, and beastmasters are all shit unfortunately.

At least we passengers can fire from jinking transports again though, making us marginally less shit.
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>>51355220
>>51355230
I always thought it represented sticking grenades to the vehicle.
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>>51355238
Nigga, the rulebook straight up says one per phase. GW's usually pretty clear when they say what a phase is, movement, shooting, assault, etc. One per phase is one per phase. I don't get how other people don't understand this?
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>>51355304
You throw one per phase, THROW.
There is a guy within kissing distance of you, do you throw it in his face.
There is a melta bomb you CANNOT throw, do you throw it?

Think before you post.

>>51355280
Exactly.
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>>51355304
because it doesnt make any sense when you actually play the game.
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>>51355319
Tell GW that, no use getting mad at people reading the FAQ
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>>51355211
>>51355271

Newb DE question but how/where do you get all the blasters for your blasterborn venom build? Can you buy them separate or just save up from kabalite kits.
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>>51355319
>>51355220
>throw
Tbqh, arguing that kind of semantic is like saying my liquifier gun can fire as much as it wants because "It says a model can only SHOOT once per shooting phase. SHOOT. The liquifier squirts fluid, not shoots, so he can squirt it all he wants." Geedubs is clearly just using a general term, not a defining feature. A haywire grenade still needs to be thrown atop or under a vehicle, not planted like a melta bomb, and trying to say the rule only applies to one because of semantics is just silly.

I agree with >>51355332. Blame GW, not the people who understand what is being conveyed, no matter how frustrating it is.
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>>51355360
Except not a single Commisar
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>>51355360
>750-1000 point list
What?
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>>51355351
I've run DE since 2010, so i've bought a lot of kits - but yeah Ebay/FLGS is the best place for them
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>>51355365
It squirting fluid is shooting you idiot, that isn't the same thing at all.
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>>51355351
Ebay generally.
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>>51355360
Drop vox casters and HWSs, divide russes and remove their HK-missiles.

ps:On muuten semi paska lista
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>>51355403
Fluid isn't a missile, you idiot, that isn't the same thing at all.
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>>51355392
Yeah, it's a 1,500 point list, I just didn't bother renaming it.
>>51355377
Shit
>>51355420
Mutkun kaikki hyvät listat on tylsiä
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>>51355422
Okay, well have fun using your gun in the squirt phase. Only shooting weapons get to shoot.
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>>51355443
Oh, good point. Have fun using your stick grenades in the stick phase. Only thrown grenades may be used in any phase.
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>>51355422
>missile
>an object which is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon.

Yes it is you stupid, inbred shithead, way to embarrass yourself retard.
>>
Everybody have fun wanking in the wank phase !!! YAAAAYYYY !!
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>>51355457
But the rules tell us how and when to use grenades in the Assault Phase.

I don't really see what you revisionist shitposters get out of trying to pretend that there wasn't a lot of contention about this issue pre-FAQ.
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>>51355489
I don't really see what you get out of flailing about post-FAQ.
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>>51355498
What does anyone get out of posting on an image board?
You're all wasting your time and lives posting here.
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>>51355435
Liity pimeälle puolelle, Pelaa War Convoa. Meillä on ilmasta wargearia ja keksejä!
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>>51355508
kurvan kunnga, hakka palitaa, yksi kaksi koben
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>>51355498
This entire chain was started by one you revisionists. Cry more.

These FAQ's are a joke. Hopefully the community as a whole just kinda uses them as fuel for discussion instead of trying to treat them as a real answer.
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>>51355516
Thanks anon, made me spurt out my coffee.

Your Finnish talents are A+.
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>>51355489
>trying to pretend that there wasn't a lot of contention about this issue pre-FAQ
Whose pretending? My post says, and I'll quote myself here,

>Blame GW, not the people who understand what is being conveyed, no matter how frustrating it is.
and reemphasis
>no matter how frustrating it is.
because it is frustrating. Sure, tau infantry don't get to swarm vehicles and insti-explode them now, but ork tank busters took a ridiculously unnecessary nerf to the nads.

I understand that it's awful and frustrating. I also understand that it is what GW wants at this moment in time as of the FAQ, and I could make more headway complaining that my inquisitor's needle pistol isn't AP2 in Imperial Agents.

But this isn't about frustration. This isn't even about pre-FAQ, which I honestly don't know why you brought up at all. This is about what is, and about people trying to twist semantics on a topic that was flatly explained already in a FAQ. It's also about said semantics not even including every type of melee grenade/bomb, as certainly there are factions (haywire grenades) that are thrown and would not be included in the "not thrown" chuckleduck you are trying to force.
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>>51355527
I'm not a revisionist though? I legitimately believe that is what GW meant and it seems clear to me? Was I really the only one not surprised by the FAQ?
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>>51355546
Depends on perspective

People that bought AT grenades individually on sergeants were unsurprised

People that had unit wide upgrades/automatic features were.
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Any ideas how much the new Gathering Storm II box is going to cost?
Are they going to charge 65€ for that one too?
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Is Death Masque no longer sold in the US? I can't find it on the GW webstore unless I switch my country (and get a 404 if I try to change my country in the URL while viewing it).
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>>51355589
3 new characters, I suspect so.
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>>51355574
True enough. I suspect the unit wide bit is likely from copy-pasting rules from 6th, where there was no one per phase restriction in melee. I mean, that's the best way for me to explain it. I dunno though, sorry mate.

>>51355589
Probably.
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>>51355597
They split the DW half into the Start Collecting DW box.
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>>51355611
No Harlequin half/new Eldrad anymore?
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>>51355621
Harlequins will likely get a Start Collecting as part of Gathering Storm II. Eldrad will be released as a stand-alone $30+ model at the same time.
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I am going to get pounded to shit with this list aren't I
>>51355597
Shit, there was a new starter box for 7th edition after all? That looks awesome.
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>>51355638
no
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>>51355638
I hope so.

They're unable to use a CAD or CAD equivalent so they're desperate for more small formations.
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>>51355668
>he plays with shitheads that won't let him take a Masque with less than the requisite number of units
Find a better group.
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>>51355663
looks like a shitty version of genestealer cult
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>>51355686
>take a Masque with less than the requisite number of units
...Unbound?

Yeah, anyone can play unbound but what if you want to play bound?
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>>51355663
>new starter box for 7th edition
There have been a couple, actually.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102352+1513079727+439785919+1875118506+2437703400+334958369+3503562305+2188049132+1562112201&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat
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>>51355721
How many of those had 40k rules?
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So what units do you want from IA14, those whose armies are getting new stuff? Personally I could murder a Vulturax right about now. Glorious flying cutedrones with cover-fucking blasts and Haywire that are hard as nails basically fixes most of the holes in my army lists, add in a couple Castellax, a Macrocarid and a Thanatar for the rest. Just hoping the Tau and the Marines don't steal most of the book as usual.
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>>51355704
I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you're too autistic to even countenance changing GW's holy writ.
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>>51355211
>>51355271
Thats sounds kinda bad i always thought they would have good melee units, well i think i will start them anyways and just get a small force.
Whats a good way too start them?
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>>51355689
Well, at least it looks better than a Genestealer cult. I just took what I like the look of; I have no idea how to make an effective guard line. I presume it would have something to do with huge blobs of conscripts.
>>51355721
Whenever I try to view the "get started" section on GW's site it breaks the site.
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>>51355740
Dear mon-keys, I am Boss-Arkon Shazbot.

It has recently come to my attenshun that you gits are complaining about our codeks. Well, if you'd stop using stupid 'umie- ahem, stupid mon-key tactics and started using roight propa kunnin' like any good orkon, you'd realize we have our strongest codeks yet. Let me explain.

We don't need no trueboyz in a venom jinkin' about like some cowardly grot too afraid to loose some teef. We have the strongest anti-tank in the game and all I hear from you raff is lances and heywhy-er. No, you gits. If it's tank bustin' you want, it's rammin' you gotta do. Attach some shokk prows to yer speed boats for that AV14, and get to rammin'! We have 6 fast attakk choices for a reason, and take some dedikated rammers whenever you can, but don't go filling them with boyz like some mon-key. They ain't gonna hit anything when your going propa fast anyways. And remember, if you gotta jink, you still going propa fast for rammin' and tank shokkin'. And you get some dark lance potshots while your at it.

And speaking of, our boyz are looking better than ever. BS4, poisen 4+, and only 8 pts a boy. I hear those orks gotta slog em across an entire table, but we are more kunnin' than that. Take a boss with a webwey tellyporta and a mob and drop em roight next to the enemy. We can take 20 of 'em for a reason, you gits. With rapid fire, youz putting out 40 poisen shots on the spot. I'd like to see the mon-key that gets up after that!

So you see, a good proper kaball ought to look like

>Arkon with webwey tellyporta x2 (190)

>20 Kaball boyz x2 (320)

>Raider with Shokk Prow x6 (390)

That's only a soggin' 900/1000 pts. Plenty of room for some red sails to go fasta, or x5 inkubie for some real krumpin', or x6 night shields for the jinking shokk raiders, or some blastas for the boyz, or what have you.

So get out there and get to fightin' you gits. This is a friendly message from Boss-Arkon Shazzbot of the Red Krumpin' Kommandos Kaball.
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>>51355686
>>51355704
>>51355739
A group that lets players just ignore certain formation restrictions in their codex is just asking for trouble. That's a helluva slippery slope.
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>>51355768
Yeah, GW's rules as written are perfectly sensible and balanced. It's why they're so staunch on their stream about never changing anything.
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>>51355736
Maybe a decent new elite choice for both Skittles and Cult Mechanicus. Something tanky would be decent, since the only units able to bullet-sponge in both armies are Kastellans and their HQs.

Also, obligatory Dedicated Transport / Deep Strike unit or Jump Pack unit.
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>>51355739
>he thinks playing by the rules is dumb and autistic
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>>51355788
That's not what was posted. Try again.
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>>51355739
>>51355686
>anyone who doesn't let me cheat is a shithead!
>anyone who plays by the rules is dumb and autistic!
Wow, you seem like a fun guy to play with!
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>>51355785
GW has no idea what it's own rules are so they have no chance to follow them.

I mean, holy shit, they DIDN'T EVEN KOW you can't charge out a rhino!
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>>51355787
If they make Domitars less overcosted they'd do that job pretty damn well, and Castellax are essentially better and cheaper Kastelans in my opinion.
Thallax would be handy, too, since they're Jet Pack Ogryns with decent pokey weapons. Seems pretty much what we need, really. Also, Ursarax are Jump Ogryns with dual power fists, which are shiny.
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>>51355815
>anyone who doesn't let me cheat is a shithead!
TMIR, shitposter. Anyone that refuses to change the game to make it better is a shithead not worth playing with.
>anyone who plays by the rules is dumb and autistic!
Not what was posted. Learn to read.
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I want more xeno races in the next tau codex and less suits
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>>51355840
>shitposter
>shithead
>learn to read
Wow, so polite!
If only all posters could be this nice!
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>>51355736
>>51355787
>>51355830
All I want is: Triaros Armoured Conveyor. Those babies will rock the Mechanicus if they come into 40k as their 30k versions.
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>>51355822
I hate this meme. They explicitly said they knew that they couldn't charge out of the rhino, yet did so anyways.
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>>51355766
Apart from the orkish language thanks for the tip sounds fun, although i would probably get a wyche or Wrack because i like the look of them.
Dear Boss-Arkon share more of your secrets if you have any more!
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>>51355861
You say that as if anyone could make out anything through their incoherent rambling.
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>>51355870
True enough.
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>>51355840
>Anyone that refuses to change the game to make it better is a shithead not worth playing with.


>Anyone that doesn't subscribe to my subjective version of a better game is a bad person
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>>51355847
Wouldn't be having this problem if you just learned to read and stopped shitposting.
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>>51355850
True. I just wish it wasn't £80 per model, since that's a lot for a 140pt transport. Maybe we'll eventually get a plastic version.
That Macrocarid, though. Damn. AP3 torrent Fleshbane Templates and 4-shot Grav on a Land Raider chassis Flare-shielded? Want just to stick Cawl and some Myrmidon or something in.
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>>51355850
What can those things transport anyway? How many Grav/Plasma Kataphrons could I shove in one as an alternative to Holy Requisitioner or for Elimination Maniple?
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>>51355870
Those streams are just utterly baffling failures. Every single facet is terrible. The commentators don't know what's going on, don't understand the game, and mostly just babble about irrelevant shit. The camera-work gives the viewer no idea what's going on. Every game that I've seen had to be called 2-3 turns early because they ran out of time.

>>51355884
Rising Crescendo is such a core part of Harlequins that anyone refusing to let you run a cut-down Masque for smaller games IS a bad person that you shouldn't bother playing with them. Everyone has their own opinion, but that doesn't mean that some opinions can't be retarded.
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>>51355850
I kind of wish that Open Topped transport fake-leak would end up true, especially if it were usable by all of AdMec.

3 Plasma Calivers on treads or, even better, hovering would be really fucking delicious.

Come to think of it, could the Calivers re-roll their shots as normal if they're part of a Dominus Maniple while inside that Transport?
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>>51355923
>Every game that I've seen had to be called 2-3 turns early because they ran out of time.
You didn't see the Magnus stream then, that game got called on turn 2.
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Hi guise, thorts on my army list?
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>>51355923
you pay the required tax to get the formation bonuses

if you dont want to pay the tax, you run unbound

its shitty that clowns dont get an FOC of thier own, but that doesnt really excuse going against the rules because "it makes my experience better"
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Mega down for anyone else?
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>>51355934
Dear Omnissiah this is driving my cogitators into high-gear. I want this shit now. For maybe 60% of its current price please.
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>>51355923
>Rising Crescendo is such a core part of Harlequins that anyone refusing to let you run a cut-down Masque for smaller games IS a bad person that you shouldn't bother playing with them. Everyone has their own opinion, but that doesn't mean that some opinions can't be retarded.
Pretty much every formation comes with some potential dead weight as part of the cost for the rules they come with. This is nothing new, and the Harlequin one isn't even that bad.

If you play with your own fan-rule version of the formation, that's fine, just don't go off telling others that they're inherently wrong for following the official rules.
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>>51355942
epub mega has been taken down, save all the pdfs while you can i guess
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>>51355958
Panic
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>>51355861
Ok let's say you are right. But how to you explain forgetting their own scenario rules or taking 3+ saves against AP3 out in the open.

Are they forging the narrative there?

Or they so called competitive lists. Where they out right cheated, they had to changed after the first few comments point out the glaring ignorance of the list made there.

Or the new FAQ specially the GSC familiar or how they simply ignore the faction problems in IA and made an explanation for AM, I and MT. The three fucking armies that didn't had transport problems to start with.

The constants mistakes are insulting. Specially if they are charging for the rules and to see the vods

At least other YouTube channels make videos explaining and taking note when they fuck up. GW? They just delete or go with "forge the narrative lol XD"

What it is even worst, there are idiots defending this shitty practices. Blant anti consumer actions and still the fucks keep rewarding this actions.

Not sure what is worst GW incompetence and foul play or the cultist consumers.
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>>51355934
>effectively AV15/13/13
>20 transport capacity
>excellent firepower
>135
Broken as fuck.
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>>51355951
410yuan is ~56€
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>>51355934
>not posting the even greater AV15/14/14 Heavy Support version that can self-repair twice in one turn and has a crapload of guns
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>>51355978
I really need to look into getting some contacts for the magnificent china man.

How save is it to ship heir stuff to Germany? Talked about it with a friend lately and we were concerned that there could be problems with controls or something since they're effectively shipping illegal goods.
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>>51355867
>Apart from the orkish language
I tapped it up around when jinking transports were nerfed, putting dark eldar next to orks as the worst factions in the game. It was a support-group type effort.

All joking aside for it, that list really isn't all that great. It's ridiculously fun, but the first landraider you see will ruin your day. Also, 20 kabalites pumping out 40 shots at close range still only nicks 4 marines or so - or 2 termies or 1 centurion.

I can't really give any tips though. The Dark Eldar are a huge army, with a lot of different ways of playing them. I alwaysthought of the DE as one big edge fest and hated them, but when I went through the rulebook for the first time to check something, I really fell in love with some of the units, found the fluff to be over-the-top fun in the same way orks are, and slowly eased my way into liking everything. Really familiarize yourself with the rulebook and figure out how things interact with each other - then build a list around a certain theme with units that support it. Deldar can make a fear-based army, it can go infantry spam, it can go entirely airborne, it can be beefy, it can be fast with great range, it can even be melee - but trying to overlap goals will hamper your army. You need a focus and to build around it and splice themes only to support weaknesses.

You can make a wych cult army if you wish. It won't be easy, but we do have the tools to make it happen. Raiders will get your girls there or/and die trying, and if they get to melee, wyches make some of the best ablative wounds to your real melee unit, who has some AP weapon. Beastmasters can be taken as single-model, 10 pt units that move 12" at a time and can eat a bad overwatch for your girls when needed. And so on.

Just know that our "universally good" units are trueborn with x4 blasters in a double-cannon venom, reavers with caltrops (and a weapon of choice), and incubi.
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> I'm new to 40K so I apologize if this question is dumb

I got a bunch of models dirt cheap, how does this look? I'm pretty sure everything is codex-compliant but another set of eyes never hurts.
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My friend used to just play 40k for fun and now he only mimics tournament lists. I HATE playing against him. I've said to him so many times to stop it. He says fine, but literally every single time he's doing a strategy from the last tournament with his army, and if his army didn't do well? He just swaps to the one that did because he has a metric fuck tonne of models. I think he thinks I'm stupid and won't notice? How fucking dumb do you think I am dude? You have 3 riptides down right now in a 1500 point game.

I try to coerce him into making some cool flashy army like only Biker marines, with tank support or Kroot tau or some cool shit like that. He won't do it.
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>>51355983
Macrocarid? Also twice as expensive and isnt dedicated transport sadly.
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>>51355940
>its shitty that clowns dont get an FOC of thier own, but that doesnt really excuse going against the rules because "it makes my experience better"
You are the cancer killing the hobby. GW rules are thoughtless crap. They themselves support people changing shit for a better experience.

>>51355953
If it looks like cancer and it quacks like cancer, it's probably cancer.

>>51355962
GW is a corporation. They exist to make money, so I can at least understand some of their actions. Sure, the constant incompetence and disregard for the game-half of the hobby is baffling, but whatever.

The cultist consumers are scum.
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>>51354228
Barring the russes, you have like 0 weapons for cracking anything really tough.
All your opponent's big guns are gonna blow up your russes asap then all you got left is a bunch of flash lights pinging off your oppents (inevitably ObSec) tanks, leet dudes and transports.
Then again, i doubt my list could bust 2 russes that easily...
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>>51356006
I wrote a list where I have two unkillable Macrocarids filled with one super-repair archmagos reductor and one with enginseers and repair servo-skulls and a crapton of melee thallax as troops. The macrocarids would camp objectives and have like, 5 repair chances at 2+, 4+, and 5+.
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>>51356012
One thing is making money, there is going full corporate commander.

GW got stuck in the 1990-2005 mentality, profit for profit sake on the short term.
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>>51356003
Bikers marines are shit. If Gladius died tomorrow, they would be the SM power build.

He doesn't really sound like a friend if he's ignoring your complaints.

>>51356006
In what world is 195 double 135? Even the Macrocarid is hideously OP relative to any of its analogues.

Unless IA14 has extensive limitations on 30k stuff being ported over OR has nerfs across the board, nobody is going to want to play against it. It will give an entire new book of OP shit to complain about to anti-FWfags.
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>>51356036
After weapons and wargear the macroarid is almost as expensive.
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>>51356012
>You are the cancer killing the hobby.

lmao using the rules is cancerous, ok buddy

>They themselves support people changing shit for a better experience.

its called covering your ass, so they dont get 50 million turboautists emailing them every day
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>>51356056
Altering GW's rules is literally a part of GW's rules.

There is no argument against changing shit to make a better game outside of cancerous, hobby-ruining autism.
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>>51353312
Worst guard list I have seen in a while.
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>>51356062
>There is no argument against changing shit to make a better game outside of cancerous, hobby-ruining autism.

except when it clearly benefits the opponent exclusively
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>>51356062
But there is a argument to be made against changing the requirements of a formation to gain an advantage from it
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>>51355867
Some things of note: if you are going infantry heavy ("as a roight propa orkon should," for example) a chronos with spirit probe make your dudes a fair bit tankier, making them FNP 4+ when the going gets good. Even without infantry, a probe chronos makes a great Distraction Carnifex that'll absorb a lot of enemy fire for you for cheap.

If you want coven stuff, look into the supplement. It will really give all your coven units a real edge that makes them very worthwhile. Grotesques are very strong melee units that can take a few hits, and covens reaffirms that. The x5 talos detachment is one of our strongest. The talos in general is one of my favorite models (the old scorpion one, at least) and I always grab a couple even I'm not taking the detachment, but the detachment is good.

Our bomber is generally regarded as not worth it, but the jetwing fighter is. That's our go-to flyer.

Scourges are usually our anti-tank unit, but despite wearing carapace armor, they will almost always die T1 as your opponent realizes that too. Jinking blasterborn do their job better. You can also consider running vanilla scourge for lots of splinter shots that may sufficiently distract your opponent, if you feel your lacking on splinters (most lists aren't, but it's a valid fill-in).

Don't take wych weapons. If you do, only take hydra gauntlets. Regardless, wyches do little damage in melee, but they make for fantastic shields for your agonizer-wielding hekatrix or glaive succubus, who will make good work through your opponent.

Don't take hellions.

Don't take mandrakes unless you absolutely love them.

Kabalites in raiders with splinter racks are a good way of putting out reliable splinter shots (if needed).

And finally, and most importantly (to me), IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, make sure that NO ONE TOUCHES THE GROUND. Everyone flies. Everyone hovers. If your wearing boots, those boots are in a transport. Not only is this for maximum style, it is critical for everything you do.
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>>51356069
Woo boy, better stop those OP Harlequins from becoming even more utterly unbeatable.

>>51356070
Why should formations be sacrosanct? They have all the same shit wording and balance issues as the rest of GW's rules. Have you seen the new FAQ ruling for Alpha Legion?
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Are they taking down our mega's?
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>>51356076
Thanks for the info, you didnt wrote anything about wracks are they any good?
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>>51354228
Spit the russ into two units and we have a deal
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>>51356095
Yes apperantly, It's time to panic
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>>51356091
>I choose to use a codex which i know full well doesn't perform as well as others, that means I can cheat and its ok

you already have the option for your clowns via unbound, you are refusing to take it because you want to get the bonuses without paying the tax for the formation
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>>51354590
This is how I get when Guard win a batrep. I'm so happy.
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>>51356001
if your opponent brings anything with more than 12 armour you'll run into trouble.
trouble meaning that unit can do whatever the fuck it wants.
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>>51356112
Better save up pdfs I guess.
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>>51355867
Oh, I forgot to show you what 20 splinter rifles looks like against a variety of targets. It's... effective, but not overwhelming by any margin.

Lastly, in the classic question of "disintegrator or dark lance?", it depends entirely on what your lacking in. If you are lacking anti-tank, or lacking any long-lasting anti-tank, lances are your go-to. You can't go wrong with more lances; you can try, but you can't. However, disintegrators do everything else better, especially against those high AV targets that splinter weapons struggle so much against.

>>51356103
I haven't ever bought or used wracks, sorry. However, since you seem interested in them, look into the haemonculus supplement. They are the bread for everything else's butter, and it makes them better than they normally are. I also like them for the sole reason that their sergeant can take a hexrifle, but without every using one, I can't tell you if that's worthwhile or not. The other coven weapons are actually pretty good.
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>>51356116
>some codexes should be worse than others and we shouldn't try to balance them
See? Cancer.
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>>51356140
>high ArSv* targets
Whoops. AV is specifically what they are bad at.
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>>51356143
not what I said desu, GW buffs and nerfs shit all the time, quins will definately be getting stuff in the next few days from the next cadia book

I play deldar and militarum tempestus, got nerfed twice, unnerfed once and then eventually got a big buff to tempestus with fall of cadia

I don't fucking scream and whine that my opponent is literally hitler because he won't let me homebrew rules and modify bound restrictions because i think i might lose, you are a fucking child if you cant see the problem
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What's the best Leman Russ variant? Which should be avoided?
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>>51356123

Is that level of armor common? The only vehicle I can find that I see on a regular basis with it is the Leman Russ tank, but I'm not very familiar with vehicles in 40K.

Would it be worth it to switch some weapons around to melta just in case, or should I just roll with it and cross that bridge when I get there?
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>>51356171
they all have thier uses

>>51356175
AV12 is very common, leman russes are AV14 front, 13 side, then 10/11 rear
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>>51356026
The list evolved into this >>51355663
But at 750 points, I'm not expecting to run into much heavy armor.
>>51356175
Land Raiders, Knights, Some Eldar and Tau vehicles, Leman Russes, Predators all have more than 12 frontal.
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>>51356175
Land Raiders have 14 armor, Drop Pods have 12, many ransports have 12AV on at least one of their sides, most walkers also have it on their front.
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>>51356171
There is no best - only a best in a given situation. A vanilla LRBT is probably the most universally useful, but perhaps you want one that fits your anti-tank needs, or one that melts high armor infantry with plasma, or what have you. It fills niches. Also, Pask/tank commander russes work entirely differently and they too have specialized roles - like punisher pask or plasma pask.

The only thing that can certainly be said to avoid is taking sponson on ordnance russes. The LRBT and demo russ both can only fire snap-shots with their other weapons, so don't waste points buying sponsons. Especially don't get plasma sponsons on a demo russ like I did as blasts cannot even snap-shot, making it less than useless.
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>>51354740
>imperial knights arent OP in 7th
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>>51356170
>quins will definately be getting stuff in the next few days from the next cadia book
Yeah, just ask Black Templars, Sisters of Battle, and Imperial Guard how great Fall of Cadia was for them. At best, Harlequins will be able to put their dudes into an Aeldari mega-detachment that does fuck all to help the faction.

Cancer can't be reasoned with. Rather than admit that GW's rules are shit and we, as a community, should fix things to make it better, you call it cheating and claim that anyone that isn't okay with taking GW's cock up the ass is a child.
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>545 posts
>page 9
>still no new thread
I'm phone posting, I can't make one.
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>>51356095
Yeah, there was a screencap posted in the 30k general a while ago about a dude saying that he was going to report some pirates to GW.
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>>51356208
`Yeah, just ask Black Templars, Sisters of Battle, and Imperial Guard how great Fall of Cadia was for them`

are you shitting me? they got one of the best detatchments they could ask for where you can just pick and choose from any imperium codex, plus all troops and dedicated troop transports respawn on 5+
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>>51356225
>they got one of the best detatchments they could ask for where you can just pick and choose from any imperium codex,
Ah, there it is. The ol' "just play a different faction" routine. Be gone shillposter, your kind serves only to rot the community from within.
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>>51356225
>one of the best detachment they could ask for
>because they can fill it with better imperial units instead
I think you're kind of missing the point lad.

Though I do enjoy using the Wrathful Crusade for my Templars, even if Celestine is cheese incarnate.
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>>51356224
Who the fuck does that
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>>51356208
>Cancer can't be reasoned with. Rather than admit that GW's rules are shit and we, as a community, should fix things to make it better, you call it cheating and claim that anyone that isn't okay with taking GW's cock up the ass is a child.

yes lets all homebrew our own rules, im sure everyone on the planet will come to a consensus and it wont just split the community into thousands of small cliques

>>51356243
>just play a different faction

not really what i said, im not playing any new faction with my scions using the new imperium one, logically the same thing will happen to your quins

also, you are obviously trying to bait at this point so i give up
>>51356247
>I think you're kind of missing the point lad.

not really? sure you can mix and match but it also gives you a new detachment to work with, at the very worst all quins would need to do is buy 2 cheap eldar/deldar HQs, then they can do as they please with the rest of it as quins

theres also the slight possibility that quins will get a HQ
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>>51356252
Where have you been? The past several decades have been a slowly worsening cyberpunk dystopia ruled by our corporate overlords. Stockholm Syndrome-esque devotion to corporations that, at best, view you as a walking wallet are pretty much the norm.
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>>51356171
Best is a hard one to choose. They each are good in certain situations.

- Vanquisher should only be taken for a Tank Commander or in the Armored Fist/Steel Host formations. Pask also does well with the Vanquisher.
- Exterminator is good any time, especially if you add extra weapons to it
- Eradicator is good and cheap, and a good tank to add extra weapons to
- Punisher is a little weak on its own, but very strong if you use Pask with it. It can also benefit from extra weapons nicely
- Executioner is very strong, but a death sentence unless you take it with Pask/as Pask's buddy/with the Steel Host/with an Engiseer/Psyker using Prescience on it
- Battle tank is very okay, but being Ordnance it's not worth taking any extra weapons on it, so at 150 points, it's rarely that worth it
- Demolisher is very strong despite being Ordnance. It's expensive, but it can earn the points back. The biggest drawback is that it's going to be targeted first

I would say the two Lemans you can never go wrong with are the Exterminator and Eradicator. They're both good, without being notably great so they won't often be priority targets, they are effective and they are cheap points wise. Next I would say Demolisher because it's a notable threat and powerful. The rest are situational, but strong if used properly.
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>>51356190
>>51356192
>>51356200

Ahhh.

My local meta doesn't really seem to have a lot of vehicles. One guy runs GSC and takes some IG stuff but other than that and bikes/jetbikes I haven't seen a lot of moving armor.

Those Terminators are just there because I have them, so if vehicles become an issue I can always pull them out for replacement models and have almost 200 points to use for dedicated anti-vehicle stuff I guess.
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Since we're clowning around, rate mine?
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>>51356207
To be fair unless you play Dark Eldar and Orks a single Knight is not a problem.
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>>51356284
If GW randomly stuck the entire Necron line into the Ork codex, they wouldn't magically become Orks.

Taking non-Tempestus units IS playing a different faction. Your sycophantic bullshit won't change that.

>yes lets all homebrew our own rules
Yes, it's what the rules tell us to do and it's what GW tells us to do on their stream.

The community already is thousands of small, loosely affiliated cliques. It's why you get things like local metas, and, despite your disingenuous shitposting, house rules are quite common. Especially in terms of missions and list-building.
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>>51356224

Oh shit. I got to download all the background pdfs and rpg ones too.
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>>51356294
I assume someone will make a new mega eventually
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>>51356304
Needs way more bodies. Drop the pistols entirely, drop a couple CCW from each squad.
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>The Black Library (Beware the Aharlequinsi)

What did him mean by this
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>>51356343
Ok will do, thankies
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>>51356377
I cant think of anything witty
>>51356377
It's pretty shitty
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>>51356329
>Taking non-Tempestus units IS playing a different faction. Your sycophantic bullshit won't change that.

you fucking moron, im not taking non-tempestus units, im using pure tempestus in that new detatchment

>Yes, it's what the rules tell us to do and it's what GW tells us to do on their stream.
if you ignore all the other rules in the rulebook, then yes, but thats not the only rule

>despite your disingenuous shitposting, house rules are quite common.

Please point out where i've been disingenuous, i also never ever said that houserules arn't a thing
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>>51356140
Thank you fir all of this info, im certainly gonna use it.
Now just to think what colour scheme im gonna use, i dont really like the normal black for armour.
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Here's a copy of the EPUB archive from about Aug/Sep 2016 https://mega.nz/#F!CtRSVSDY!2u0FP6Ry4k-TCzJdZLc_Jw
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I know you all hate tau, but i made a cheesy list without riptides so please have a look :3
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Im such a tau-nub
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>>51356500
not legal, you need 2 units of crisis suits, bodyguards dont count as they are still elite slots

would be an interesting list to fight, some people might get salty when you start spawning drones every other turn
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>>51356517
iirc the farsight enclaves allows bodyguards to be taken as troops?
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>>51356524
only crisis suits, the bodyguards are still elites
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>>51356530
Oh my bad, I just assumed it was bodyguards as they are farsights buddies. thankies
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>>51356001
Short answer: its alright-ish.
Long answer:
Assault marines dont jump packs, they need em
Venerable dreads are meh for the price. Drop them to normal dreds, and if possible equip one for long range support dakkadread and the other with just a multimeta and give him the drop pod.
Alternatively make both of them ranged focused.
The tactical squad in the drop pod needs better weapons and to be mim size. Meltagun and combimelta to drop next to objective or enemy armour and take it out.
Use remaining marines as back field fire support/objective campers.
Teleport homers on rhino squads to guarentee termie teleport where most needed
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>>51352923
It's not like you're gonna get laid with it anyway
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>>51353158
I'm sorry your imaginary girlfriends don't live up to your high standards you place upon them and yourself.
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I want to marry Celestine
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>>51356747
*Fuck
FTFY
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>>51356788
Can't I have both?
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>>51356801
I don't think you want to be in a relationship with what is basically the emperor...
He seems like a fuckboi
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Anyone got any ideas for customizing/converting the normal Cadian guard figures?
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