Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

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What are you working on /aosg/

>>51349470
damn dose are sum amazin orcs

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progress update repost

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>>51349594
goal is this list. Its all owned and is mostly all painted now.

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>>51349448
Serious question: Is AoS better then fantasy? I just feel from the little I read, that it is les structured, more 'bring what you want' rather then the old army style of fantasy.,

>>51349612
depends what you are into

this is a decent collectables game but a terrible wargame

>>51349612
In my opinion yes it is

There is an organized/competitive version of the game called Matched Play, with rules in the Generals Handbook

>>51349612
>this is a decent collectables game but a terrible wargame

to be fair if your definition of a good wargame is one with a convoluted cesspool of rules then you wouldn't like age of sigmar.

If you like a smooth easy to pick up rules set with low barriers to entry then AOS is a good pick.

>>51349612
they are totally different games. AOS is very structured but isn't bogged down under a mountain of convoluted rules.

>>51349612
I will tell you that it's probably the most balanced game on the market right now and it plays much more smoothly than 40k does or fantasy did.

how does this list look

Leaders
Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)
- General
Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)
Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (140)

Battleline
20 x Tzaangors (360)
20 x Tzaangors (360)
10 x Tzaangors (180)

Units
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)

>>51349724
>If you like a smooth easy to pick up rules set with low barriers to entry then AOS is a good pick.

lmao. uh "guyth the movement in warhammer is too tactical and deep for me, im glad age of sigmar is around, as a faggot, i only know how to jam shit in as hard as possible its a game life partner lance and I can really get into. no rules!"

>>51349803
You know, insulting a player's opinion doesn't add anything to your argument, it actually detracts from it.

>>51349803
>I enjoy spending an hour doing my warhammer movement phases micro measuring wheel moves marches reforms and the rest while my opponent watches television because the game is fucking boring.

>>51349724
You can just make up the rules to AOS on the spot for any unit. Units have 2 stats, to hit and wound plus a number of Dice rolled, sometimes a special ability which you could just make up as you play. It's more like just playing with toys in any way you want than anything I've every encountered. I wouldn't compare it to Warhammer Fantasy-- totally different games,AOS is not trying to be a wargame of any sort with any type of tactics that would exist in the real world. I would compare it to LotR instead (both are larger skirmish games with heroes) and AOS does not compare favorably at all with that ruleset.

>>51349803
You seriously have nothing better to do besides shitpost on a chinese message board about a game you dont like?

That's really sad

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Mandatory this pic.

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>>51349470
Bloodreavers, naturally.

Bought a Flesh-Eater Court book today and ordered a bunch of minis. I hope this game wont be a mistake.

>>51349849
>You can just make up the rules to AOS on the spot for any unit.

you have been lied to. It isn't that way and I have no idea who misled you.

there are published official rules for every unit in the game and official points to go with each one for structured match play.

I feel bad for you not knowing, no wonder you have a bad impression of the game.

Where do people get this idea that AOS is simplistic?
The rules are streamlined but there's actually quite a lot more tactical depth when all models can damage other models.
The streamlining keeps the game moving quickly.

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>>51349849
>You can just make up the rules to AOS on the spot for any unit.

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>>51349470
Knight questor for hinterlands/homebrewed skirmish AoS.

Also got some bret men at arms bodies waiting to be kitbashed into his retinue of scribes,squires and minstrels.

>>51349775
I think youd be better off abusing the new warscroll battalion formations. They are very strong.

>>51349972
stop reposting the same picture you posted three days ago.

>>51349639
because its as much a wargame a x-wing is.

>>51349470
An idea I've been sitting on for awhile now. I was inspired by that other anon's Dwarven Stormcast Eternals, the Forgesworn, and I came up with an idea for my own Stormhost that I liked.
Basically, a Stormhost that's made up of Dark Elf/Exiles that worshipped Khaine in life and were reforged into Dark Elf Stormcast. I'm planning on doing a lot of conversions to fit the theme so it'll be intresting to see where I can take this idea.

>>51349775
>Field all tzaangor
>not even a formation
> not a single group of 12 skyfire byffed to 2+ to hit and 4+ to mortal wounds

>>51349919
I played it immediately upon the release of the rules with my Beastmen. I'm not saying that there aren't rules to each unit published, I'm saying that you don't need to have any published rules for units and can play using common sense for the stats based on what you put on the table. You can guess that a WS 4, T3, armorless beastman is going to be 4 up to hit, 4 up to wound with some sort of reroll when they miss based on certain things (like if they outnumber opponents, if they charged, etc.).

>>51349883
why not try it before ?
its like being a car before trying it and hoping you like how it drives

>>51350001
Painted it last night.
Also, make me aelf bitch.

>>51350049
I have tried it. I just hope that the game will not go stale.

>>51350033
>I'm saying that you don't need to have any published rules for units and can play using common sense for the stats based on what you put on the table. You can guess that a WS 4, T3, armorless beastman is going to be 4 up to hit, 4 up to wound with some sort of reroll when they miss based on certain things (like if they outnumber opponents, if they charged, etc.).

and you could make up the rules as you go along for any wargame you wanted to play... but then you wouldn't be playing that wargame. youd be playing your made up game that you made up because that was what you wanted to do. You could make up rules for units in warhammer, hobbit, 40k or any of the others too so I don't feel you have a valid point.

>>51350050
pretty sure that is flaming and a violation of board rules. guess we will see what the admins think.

>>51350025
would love to see pics of your project taking shape. being creative like that is fun.

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>>51350211

>>51350263
Thank you, I haven't started yet as I'm still trying to get a hold on some Dark Elf models, bits, and such pieces. Stuff isn't cheap to get too, but I have a general idea in my head on how to go about it. I'll do the usual head and weapon swap, I'm thinking of putting the Executioner heads and Draich weapons on the Paladins while the Stormcast heroes will get the Dreadlord bits.
I'm excited to try this out.

The ePub for Disciples of Tzeentch in the MEGA is corrupted. Mind reuploading?

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>>51349566
Thanks, here are 5 more

It's nice to get a break from painting tomb kings

>>51351037
did you drybrush everything?

>>51349448
>>Freshest Rules in Epub (Use READIUM for PC or KOBO on Android)
>https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!C0Z2nZyQ

I removed the link.

Tzeentch in epub,
https://mega.nz/#!K5gUEbIB!cZVsFg3L0uPFhPRQfncY827kgy0SG5xkaOKOSK0EaYY
A better pdf,
https://mega.nz/#!KowlRSxA!OihYrtNQmf9CNIEs0BUVMe9BkASd8stqh1cQIRUSvSs

>>51351055
Just the skin, the scale cloaks, and the stone. Everything else is layer and detail

I tried doing layers for the skin and it took about 30 minutes per model just to get the 2nd layer of green.

It looks noticeable this close in photos but in person it looks indistinguishable from layering

>>51350030
formations costs points so they're bad.

>>51351134
try washes for skin, especially the newish gloss washes. They are fantastic.

>>51351138
Its like you want to be bad at games. Why not take the Tzaangor Shaman and make the skyfires +1 to hit.

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4+ vs paradoxical shield ?
What are the maths ?
Alternatively what is the best item on the fatemaster ?
He doesn't look like a powerhiuse and seem to take the place of the unkillable great banner hero of 8th (exept nerfed)

>>51351138
clearly the tallyband of nurgle winning most tournament is a clear exemple

>>51351469
AOS is barely a game. you should spend more points on barbies to put on the table

>>51351037
So these are the ice clan savage orks huh? Look sweet I like the ice. What's your recipe

>>51352044
why not make your barbies better. Having two thaumaturges isn't going to do much. Having your leader be a tzaangor shaman with lord of war makes skyfires 2+ and mortal wounds on 4+. Like. I get more boys over fancy rules, but you can still optimize within it.

>>51350211
> we will see what the admins think
I'm not even the other guy, but your a total bitch.

>>51352106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocX6TzX-e9o

>>51349639
Fuck off, its got more depth than w40k or fantasy

>>51349839
Fuck off Matt

Are leadbelcher and warplock bronze pretty much the same color? I was gonna use leadbelcher as a base, followed by typhus corrosion and ryza rust for nurgle weapons. I wanted to do something similar with their standards and bells, possibly adding nikilah oxide, but thought a bronze color would be better for that.

I'm hoping they are similar enough I could just get one to use as a basecoat for both.

Why is there this idea that a good tabletop game needs a huge textbook of rules?!

The game works so well as it is! I implore people to just try playing a scenario or a siege game. The rules work so well when it comes to how they planned out sieges.

I got so bored playing 40k because the turns took for-fucking-ever!

>>51349612

Depends what you mean by better.

It's lore certainly isn't. Aesthetics are personal but I really loved WHFB's.

It's rules are too different to really compare but it's absolutely littered with holes that are never really explained. Fantasy's rules had issues but overall they were head and shoulders above AoS.

What AoS has going for it are that, for a start, it's easier to get a game because the rules are so easy to pick up. As you say, there's less structure on creating an army, you just bring whatever you want.

The barrier for entry is also much more reasonable than Fantasy's became. 28mm is much more suited to a skirmish game than a rank-and-file one, especially at the level of cost and detail GW's models come in at.

>>51352408
The lore is new, but it's more original than the Tolkien ripoff of the old world.

I personally like the extreme high fantasy setting.
I also like that in this setting, good is on the offense and taking back territory compared to always being besieged.
Fantasy's rules were cluttered.

>>51352406

The problem for most is that there is not enough depth to cover all the units currently available.

'To hit' and 'to wound' are always 3+ and 4+ or 4+ and 3+ or sometimes 3+ and 3+... and if they're feeling really adventurous it may even be 4+ and 4+!

We need more depth.

>>51352442

How is it more original?

They still have Dwarfs, Elves and humans... except now all character has been exchanged for an awful Diablo III feel.

>>51352452
Why would you ever want a unit that rolled a 2+ or a 5+ for anything?

Also, there are plenty of spells and abilities that affect those hit/wound rolls.

The game isn't fun when my opponent throws down a model that I can't damage because my guys can only hit it or wound it on a 6 or not at all.

>>51352494

Well you balance quality for quantity. So a Goblin may hit on a 5+ or a 6+... but lucky for you they come in the hundreds.

>>51352452
Go look at 40k Weapon Skill and Wound chart, it's almost the exact same thing there.
3+ to hit 4+ to wound - very rarely will you deviate from that.

>>51349612
So, in all honesty, I like AOS more. It's far more loose and I don't feel so restricted with the way i felt with 8th ed. i could use another page in the absurdly small rules or a price per unit thing, but otherwise its pretty great

>>51352575

To hit varies a fair amount when righting armies that have monstrous creatures.

To wound varies a great deal, a one point differential will increase the roll by 1+ and is also used to calculate instant death.

>>51352452
it was literraly the same in whfb

>>51352465
we went from NOT!MiddleEarth to multiverse with stargates and infinite realms.

>>51352531
so just like aos goblin that hit on 5+ ?

>>51352648

> Literary...

I don't really care for AoS's lore myself.

>>51352655

Saying it was derivative of Tolkien isn't really an argument but it was more divergent than most people give it credit for. WHFB was much more gritty, like Moorcroft. More to do with the common folk. The Empire was an early modern civilisation with black-powder.

AoS, to be truthful is too young to compare them. But what we currently have is Elves, Dwarfs and Humans with the same level of technology except the added bonus of physical manifestations of Gods and their servants. If anything that is more like Tolkien.

>>51352665

Yes they do, but regardless of if they're fighting a Bloodthirster or another Goblin they will hit and wound on the same number.

>>51351899
I would also like to know the numbers for the paradoxical shield...

>>51352791
This. Torn between the spiteful shield and paradoxical shield

>>51351899
I feel the fatemaster was a missed opportunity. Or maybe i'm too greedy in wanting his command ability to affect all tzeentch units and not just mortals.

What happens when you are shooting at a unit of 30 maxed out tzaangors ?
(6 mutant, 12 great weapons and 12 shield) does the tzeentch player have the 6++ ? same in close combat ?

I also wonder how broken a blue scribe with fold reality will be.

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if only those fucker could be marked before the game without Archaon, they could actually be something else than shelf heaters.
One can only dream of fielding a changehost with those guys allied and not loosing the tzeentch allegiance

>>51353490
Same. Such a great model but just utterly useless.

>>51353490
it should also be 8 wounds for this kind of points

>>51353490
I love how "relentless killers" is a one off ability that things like deadwatch and tzaangor coven get to do EVERYTURN.
Vatanguard really need a huge point reduction or a huge buff.
AND they should be able to be marked

>>51351113
ePub file doesn't work. Can you reupload?

>>51349612
Absolutely, yes.

>>51349972
are you the anon that created that hinterlands supplement on dakka?

if so, you're a very cool anon indeed

>>51349612
If you like rolling dice and moving miniatures around, sure. If you like feeling satisfied after spending an afternoon playing a game, no.

>>51353797
>Still mad that the GT and LVO has more aos players than whfb ever gathered

Hi there folks. Asked about this in the last thread but I didn't get any responses there so I thought I'd try again. I'm building up some Sigmarines atm, mostly in it for building fun and interesting figures since I aim to use mostly sylvaneth for actual games, but I don't much care for the golden face masks. I thought I might use some kind of stylized falcon helmet, like the Horus guard of of the Stargate movie, but I have no idea where to find such pieces. Any thoughts or recommendations from you lot?

>>51349612
Depends. Are you looking to go full tryhard and win every tournament you can? If so, no the game's probably not for you
Are you looking to relax and shoot the shit with your friends while you play? Yes, the game is good

What is most optimal setup in 10man tzaangor unit?
Banner, horn, 2x big weapon, 2x mutants with dual blade, 2x shield, 2x dual blade?

>>51353903
4x great weapon, 2 mutant, banner, horn, leader + 1 shield for claiming a 6+ when you get shot at

>>51353862
look thousand sons from 40k

>>51349612
You've almost certainly observed by now that that's a contentious question but the answer is simple. No game is 'better' or 'worse' objectively. AoS is easier to pick up and play and lets you start with smaller forces for lower investment costs. The fluff is over-the-top and very much follows the rule of cool. Fantasy had more in depth and detailed rules that played more like actually orchestrating and enacting a fantasy medieval battle with large formations of units. From what I've encountered so far, AoS seems even more melee focused, having fewer ranged units and damn few ranged units that are battleline units in the new armies, which means nothing unless you're playing with points which seems to be the main way to play now.

So if you're into thoughtful battle with more units and variety, fantasy. If you're into more colorful and bold armies without tons of rules to read through, Sigmar. If you're an investor in Games Workshop looking for something that's making fucking bank for the company, Age of Sigmar is a much better choice.

>>51354102
huh, I actually didn't think of that. Are rubric marines kitted out with birb masks? Even if they aren't I can totally see putting liberator and paladin masks on the ashen bodies of Magnus' sons.

>>51354093
Your leader should also be a mutant, note.

>>51354420
Raw the leader is a twistbray, so can take a greatweapon but no mutant

>>51349849
>someone who has never played LotR or AoS

>>51354204
>thoughtful
Yes, pointing at the largest enemy unit and subsequently deleting it with Purple Sun/Dwellers/Pit sure required a lot of thought. So very tactical.

>>51354453
>RAW
RAW the leader of the unit is still a Tzaangor despite everything. This is not 40k, where unit champions are actually different things with a different statline and everything.

>>51352452

Like another Anon said, it's kind of pointless to criticize AoS for this when 40k and Fantasy were much of the same. Maybe you have to a roll a 2+ or 5+ once in a blue moon.

You'd be better off using Warmahordes or Infinity for comparisons since those are systems in which rolling a number greater than 2-6 actually matters.

I view AoS to hit and to wound as an improvement over a system with only the shallow veneer that you ever need to roll anything besides a 3 or 4. Even better if it makes GW feel better about abilities that modify dice rolls.

40k and Fantasy's systems are nice in being close to simulations, but as games they're clunky. Even LotR pretty much abandoned all but the roll to wound system with shooting being a single number you had to roll and combat requiring the winner to simply roll a higher number on the die.

>>51353068
You can allocate wounds anywhere so you'd put the first wounds on shield dudes.

>>51354717
yes but lets say a unit shot 70 shot at you.
only 1 model as a shield.
do you get a 6++ against all of the 60 shot ?

>>51354724
you would get a 6++ against all wounds yes, even if only 1/30 tzaangor has a shield

>>51354724
>>51354736
No? You allocate wounds to the shield guy and get the save until he dies, then you have to allocate them elsewhere.

>>51352733
>more about the common folk
People parrot that around like it holds any value, but WHFB hadn't been about common people in forever, beyond the occasional mention of beastmen/orcs/gibbering horrors fucking up their village. It was about glorious armies clashing, led by mythic heroes and such.
>but muh regular humans
That was literally one faction and they still had technology centuries ahead of nearly every other faction.
The rpg is another matter, though you also cite City of Secrets for AoS grit now.

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>mfw the Khaine still exists
The elf in the new novel swears by Khaine

>>51354736
Bullshit. You allocate one by one until the model keels over, then the rest get's jack.

>>51354093
Wait, what does the shield do? One shield seems kinda pointless unless I'm missing something here.

>>51354805
Arika Zenthe is prime waifu material.

>>51354855
It does jack shit, ignore him.

>>51354855
Still should use shields on anything not a great weapon or mutant.

>>51354420
Wouldn't you rather have your Twistbray with a great weapon? +1 hit on the great weapon is pretty nice imo.

>>51355032
In a large unit with plenty bonus attacks, sure. At 10, I'd prefer the twistbray as a mutant.

>>51355080
It's quite amazing that the bonus triggers per 9 instead of 10/MSU that way you have got some buffers before you start losing the bonus.

>>51349743
>balanced
>beastclaw
>sylvaneth
>etc...

k

>>51349950
>tactical depth
>all models can damage all other models

Pick one.

>>51355108
Probably why Tzaangors are so pricy.

>>51355141
Unlike every other game on the market, huh?

>>51354550
Actually the game was never very tactical it was strategic, and there's a difference. Proper positioning of your units in the setup phase with a good plan for how to stymie an opponent's advance, mire his powerful units or nullify his heavy hitting artillery required planning. Casting and dispelling dice needed careful husbanding and gambling some of it on this or that spell not being challenged was tricky. Yes. Warhammer Fantasy was a more thoughtful and strategic game.

>>51355130
yet it's still the most balanced.

>>51354788

>That was literally one faction and they still had technology centuries ahead of nearly every other faction.

To be fair, every race in Fantasy balanced out not being as technologically advanced either through magic, a combination of magic and technology, or inherit traits.

Kinda weird that the Tzaangor Coven bundle they sell on the website is not the same as the Tzaangor Coven Battallion...

Website bundle: 1 shaman, 10 tzaangors, 3 Enlightened/Skyfires

Battallion: 1 unit of Tzaangors, 1 units of Enlightened, 1 unit of Skyfires.

>>51355195
yeah no, I remember 30 tzeentch chosen or 40 lion + life magic buff, or 200 skavenslaves, or wychestars, or dark rider stars, or blender vampire et etc etc etc that curbstomped everything by movimg forward.
and the edition before fhat it was OP demons everywhere.

People saying whfb was smart are either troll or didnt play between 2006 and now (which is indeed the case of most grognard)

>>51355235
This. WHFB 7th was demonfest and 8th was big horde + magic roulette.
And also paper rock scissors.

>>51355215
meh wait for the tzaangors SC! , deamon of tzeentch SC! and mortal tzeentch SC!

>>51355276
Oh for sure, it's just weird that they don't match up the bundle with the battalion of the same name.

>>51349470
I am working on my bestigors, and when they are done I am going to paint my bakewind Vortex. When that is done I am going to get the SC! Nurgle daemons.
I do not have any pics at the moment, I can take some when I get home

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Whats a good RPG to use as a template for AoS campaigns?
Im guessing WHF 'death by rusty pitchfork' system wouldn't be that great considering what I have in my head is a crazy JoJo-esque trek though the realm of tzeentch or slannesh

>>51355235
>your reasoned analysis and calm response are trolling. Or disingenuous.

Suuuure, okay. And yes. If you were in a game where you could pointsink yourself into those kind of things, if you were facing someone who had the money and time to throw a massive steamroller, yes. Yes you were fucked. At the store I played at, I didn't face that though because again those kind of things take money time and high points. At my store, lower point games were more common and the players tended to bring more mixed units because varied builds and painting kept the hobby portion fresh for them.

Most of the time the people going on about broken list this or that are the people who play only in their own heads, and very rarely in person. Which one could still say is a more cerebral engagement. So yeah, you're not wrong, but you're most certainly not expressing reality.

>>51355399
check every tournament ever.
complete list are available on baddice.

Your argument works both way, AoS is a shitty game because one guy can bring thundertusk and point and shoot is 100% absolute truth???

But WHFB slayers congalines and abusive unchargable skink cloud are things that only happen in peoples head ?

>>51355399
It's nice that you apparently never experienced this, but over the course of 8th the number of times I faced lists that weren't piles of buffed up BIS units backed up with instant removal magic and shit can be counted on one hand. I myself was just as guily of this as everyone else.
And, given the usual comments made about 8th, I wager this was more the rule than the exception in most other places, too.

>>51355488
Oh, and artillery coming out of every orifice. Can't forget that.

>>51355501
and skaven greyseer warpstone + powerscroll or whatever item that makes any double on your spell an un-dispellable spell and you get 7 dice to lauch the dreaded 13th spell for instant 4d6 death in the biggest threat in front of you.
and your 2 abom + 5x40 slaves with rerollable leadership 10.

>>51355199
It's really not. The results from the Grand Tournament confirm that

>>51355524
yeah, hard to NOT get a double when you roll SEVEN D6...

>>51355488
Yup, this is why I stopped playing 8th. I couldn't afford to keep up with the FoTM army to stay competetive.

>>51355525
have you been playing 40k lately ?
Yes it does.

>>51355537
whats not to love with 40 ASF T7 white lion with BotWD ??

>>51355488
That's fair enough. And now I go back and look at the dates yes, I didn't get much play out of 8th edition, I didn't realize it had had 5 years before AoS kicked in. At the time I think I went back to 40k rather than buy a new rulebook. Or maybe I was trying to save money for something, hard to say.

So far I have this for my list...

Tzaangor Shaman - 120
Fatemaster - 140

Kairic Acolytes x20 - 6x Cursed Glaive, Arcanite Shields, Vulcharc, Scroll - 280
Kairic Acolytes x20 - 6x Cursed Glaive, Arcanite Shields, Vulcharc, Scroll - 280
Tzaangors x10 - Great Blades x4, Mutants x2, Icon, Horn, Shields x4 - 180
Tzaangors x10 - Great Blades x4, Mutants x2, Icon, Horn, Shields x4 - 180
Tzaangor Skyfires x3 - 160
Tzaangor Skyfires x3 - 160
Tzaangor Skyfires x3 - 160

Got 340 points left. Not sure what to do with them.

>>51353862
Ah, you want to make Jaffa?

Excellent, puppetswar.eu does a range that are basically exactly that.

https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=102

They have a bunch of the other god's heads as well.

>>51355525

I really don't understand how Beastclaws can do that well.

Against stonehorns, you put up screens.
Against thundertusks, you deploy far back and he can't reach you.

Yes they're a super-strong army, but there are some serious weaknesses. Besides, how the hell does Warrior brotherhood not slap the tits of any list that spams Thundertusks?

>>51355276
>mortal tzeentch SC!
What mortal Tzeentch? They made zero models for mortal Tzeentch, and there already exists the grand number of three, all of which are special characters.

I have been thinking of buying the city of secrets book, but is it any good?

>>51355680
Also, I'm reading the tactica and it says that if you kill a pink horror it turns into a blue horror and then a brimstone horror, is this true cause that seems pretty damn good.

>>51355792
Yes, it's pretty good.
The story is fairly predictable for an intrigue plot and the characters are generic fare, but it does a excellent job of breathing life into the setting and paints a much-needed picture of how everyday life in the realms might work.
Don't expect anything the book doesn't want to be and it'll treat you alright.

>>51355856
You have to set aside summoning points for them if you're using Matched Play rules, but yes.

>>51355856
How about you read the warscolls yourself? That might answer your question...

>>51355774

Pretty much everything they've released so far could be called mortal Tzeentch since they have the Arcanites keyword.

>>51355552
There are more wargames than just 40k and AoS.

So with the landing of the Tzeentch battle tome how do we rate the battle tomes from good to bad?
meaning by the actual options the book has to offer, not bullshit combos that anyone with an understanding of meta would ever play

>>51355892
Mortal Tzeentch would include Slaves to Darkness that use Mark of Chaos to gain the Tzeentch keyword, wouldn't it?

>>51355941
yes

>>51355680
save the points for summoning

>>51355939
Stormcast
Seraphon
Disciples of Tzeentch
Sylvaneth
Beastclaw
Ironjawz
Bloodbound
Bonesplitterz
Fyreslayers

>>51354788
I read City of Secrets yesterday in all of two hours.
There was BARELY anything about the common people in it.
Plus, with the Mortal Realms being, you knkw, fuck HUEG, what went for one city is hardly standard fair.
The only interesting tidbits were hiw all the races seem to more or less coexist, and how technology is exactly where is seems to have left off from whfb.

>>51355939
Everything before Sylvaneth are garbage since they just offer some battallions.

>>51356009
Yeah, I was surprised by how short it was too.
Would be cool if they made it into a series like the plot hooks seem to hint though, the continuing adventures of a witch hunter and his reclaimed tribal sidekick.

>>51355556
They only hit at I 5 with great weapons guis OMG why u always say elves are overpowered?
Oh wait because they always hit first, with fucking rerolls out the ass, and stupid powerful spellcasti g.
WHFB in 8th looked fucking horrible. 7th looked fucking horrible. I heard ok things about 6th though.

Is it just me or is the Changeling fucking awesome?

Halves enemy units movements, can attack with the attack profile of an enemies weapon and can copy any spell from any wizard within 18 inches and invulnerable till you do anything with it.

I'm definitely trying this nigga out.

>>51355792
Don't buy 20 bucks for a two hour read. If you want to read it mega that shit, or wait until someone puts the lore info on a wikia

>>51356042
Apparently the best recent version of Fantasy was either 6th ed or 7th core rules with 6th armybooks. I didn't screencap the original quote though, so don't quote me on that.

>>51355941

I suppose, but I was going off the assumption that by mortal Tzeentch that Anon meant something equivalent to Bloodbound or Rotbringers and somehow didn't see everything with the Arcanites keyword as the equivalent.

So for mortal Tzeentch you have Arcanites and Slaves to Darkness and if you want can split Arcanites into human models and Tzaangors.

>>51355939
Beastclaw Raiders
Sylvaneth
Disciples of Tzeentch
Seraphon
Stormcast Eternals
Flesheater Courts
Ironjawz
Khorne Bloodbound
Fyreslayers
Bonesplitterz

>>51356035
The while reclaimed tribal thing was also stupid. It had literally zero effect on the guys character.
The best chance to see how the 'common man' interact, and the interactions between azyrites and 'reclaimed' was (literally) shot down in the first fucking chapter.
So much wasted opportunity. Could have been soo much more

>>51356068
>human models
Which leaves us with the Acolytes and the three aforementioned old heroes.

Not that I would every buy these ridiculously overpriced shit models but what happened to Blood Knights on the main website? Are they getting a plastic re-release?

>>51352206
Damn. So simple. So effective.
So Duncan.

>>51352388
One is dark silver, one is dark bronze (brown).
They aren't the same, but it's your stuff man

Tell me about your dudes/army

>>51356122
No, someone in GW's web design team is apparently a complete nincompoop. You can find them by typing "blood knights" into the search bar.

The same thing's happened for a few other models, like Lion Chariots.

>>51356166
Well shit, I was really hoping for an update to them. Oh well.

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So much butt hurt WHFB players trolling in here.

Like half the comment chains are salty fantasy trolls flaming the AOS just to be douches.

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>>51356163

Here's a copy paste of my dudes
Working on some fluff for a Chaos Dwarf army
Essentially, when the end times hit and the world got fucked, a splinter of em was lost in a realm without any actual resources whatsoever, and with nothing to mine or forge, Hashut was displeased with them, punishing them severely. In a last ditch effort to come up with something or face death, the Daemonsmith leader of this faction was able to bind the body and soul of one of his chaos dwarf soldiers into a fine, yet horrifying jewel, similar to making diamonds from ashes. This pleased the dark god, and so this faction set about, looking for any living creature they could find to make more horrifying jewels from. The more innocent and pure, the finer it shined and the greater it's brilliance. But each of these Jewels are obviously cursed for anyone not of chaos. Hundreds of years of roaming the realms and repeating this dark art, the faction grew to get a sick enjoyment of it, valuing the evil gems and desiring more for their dark hoard. Building a massive vault with wheels, they would sack entire villages, and burn the innocent into ashes, only to be pressed into these gems. Eventually, they learned how to forge living beings into their armor as well, as they had with daemons. These horrifying sets of armors and shields would contort like living flesh, as the damned souls trapped within would feel the pain of every blow. Now during the Age of Sigmar, this twisted splinter of Chaos Dwarfs still roam from realm to realm, looking for more innocent lives to forge into their gems, and add to their ever growing hoard of accursed treasure, all in the name of their dark god.

>>51356235
It's not usually this bad, I'm not sure why they came back. AoS general has been /comfy/ for a good 6-7 months now.

>>51356249
Yeah, AoSG is one of the most chill generals on /tg/, I hope it stays that way

>>51356256
I swear every general that isn't total cancer 40kg says this, but it depends on what really pisses you off and what generals really have the same autistry as you. I find it way less chill in here than /wip/, for the most part.

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>>51349470
Since the current Keeper of Secrets is shit, I bought a vintage one.

It isn't better in any way, but at least has some hipster feeling to it.

I'm stripping the paint right now.
It's far more resilient than usual.

I may start painting it tomorrow.

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>>51356235
Sometimes I just can't believe how salty these fuckers can be. Look at this >>51337179 They have to shitpost everywhere.

Remember when tried to jump into wargaming something like 7-8 months ago - played only few x-wing demo games before. After few months of exams and BA writing I decided to find a part-time job and also find full-time hobby. I was lurking /tg/ before but mainly for MtG shit. Somehow I get interested in low-point 40k and this new quasi-WHFB game that everyone hates. Their general was nice and comfy and boxes were not expensive - let's try it.

There are 3 LGSs in my area with WH stuff - visited only one before for cards and deckboxes so finally I had a reason to move my ass and explore new places.

Let's say, the first one was called X
>Hey mister seller, I wanted to jump into WH - what could you tell me about this new game with shiny guys and big hammers?
>Actually nothing. I only have a starter set for sell but noone is playing AoS here
>But why?
>WE don't like it here
>W-what do you mean by "we"?
>Sorry m8, but WE are playing only 9th edition here. WE don't even want to sell AoS shit becuase it will be dead in next 3 months. It's not a wargame - it's like a very expensive chess to play with a daughter. Maybe want to try x-wing?
I fucking cringed. I understand that he could be salty but he was also a fucking seller and owner of his shitstore and it was not the best way to treat your customer.

Fuck this - maybe I will find something at Y LGS.
>Good morning. I have never played any models-related game before. I have heard that this new AoS is pretty cheap and has newbie-friendly rules.
>Yeah, but don't buy it
>Wtf, why?
>There is no AoS community here so you will end up with useless minis
>But why there is no community?
>Noone is buying AoS stuff. Better try x-wing

At least third LGS let me play a demo game, invited to be a spectator at their small AoS tournament and sold me a fuckin x-wing core set

Alright, so I've been mucking about with the battalions in DoT. Most seem like they're meant for narrative or open, as it's extremely difficult to get them to fit into 2000 pts, but I made one sample list that seems decent to me. Feel free to tear it apart. All of the special rules added by the various battalions are at the bottom so you can see if any are OP or just shite.

Arcaanite Cult

Arcaanite Cabal
Tzaangor Shaman (General)
Lord of War
Nexus Staff

Magister
Secret-Eater

Tzaangor Shaman
Nexus Staff

Alter-Kin Coven
1 x 10 Kairic Acolytes
1 x 10 Tzaangors
1 x 3 Tzaangor Skyfires

Alter-Kin Coven
1 x 10 Kairic Acolytes
1 x 10 Tzaangors
1 x 3 Tzaangor Skyfires

Witchfyre Coven

2 x 10 Kairic Acolytes
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened

Destiny Preordained (choose three of your destiny dice results before the game)
Strength in Conviction (+1 Bravery to all models)
Master of the Cult (pick model from Arcaanite Cabal to be cult master, every time you use a destiny dice for him, roll another dice. On a 4+ add a new dice to your destiny dice pool.)
Cabal of Sorcerers (any model from the Arcaanite Cabal within 9” of another two models from the same battalion can attempt to cast an additional spell)
Boon of Mutation (in each hero phase roll a dice for each enemy unite within 3” of a unit from the Alter-Kin Coven. On a 6, D3 mortal wounds are inflicted on that unit, any models that die are transformed into Tzaangor and are either added to a friendly Tzaangor unit within 6” of the slain model's unit or create a new unit.)
Mastery of Wyrdflame (make a sorcerous bolt attack with each Kairic Acolyte model from a Witchfyre Coven in each of your hero phases)

>>51354770
No. Save rolls are made before wounds allocating. It's hilarious that someone still can't into such simple rules.

>>51355749
The Anubis ones are the best imo

>>51356969
>No. Save rolls are made before wounds allocating. It's hilarious that someone still can't into such simple rules.

They aren't saves. They get a save of 5+, then if they are a model with a shield, they ignore a wound or mortal wound on a 6+. The complication is that some models in the unit don't have shields.

So can you play a scourge water privateers list in any way? Got a box of corsairs, a chariot and a Hydra that I might take apart to be a Kharibdyss but not sure if it's worth the effort

>>51356957
Another couple of lists, still using some battalions. The access to mortal wounds and the shooting spam are pretty cheap for 20 and 60 pts respectively.


Witchfyre Spam

Tzaangor Shaman 120
Lord of War
Nexus Staff

Gaunt Summoner 100

Ogroid Thaumaturge 160
Timeslip Pendant

Witchfyre Coven 60

2 x 20 Kairic Acolytes 560
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened 160

Witchfyre Coven 60

2 x 20 Kairic Acolytes 560
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened 160

1940

Skyfire Spam

Tzaangor Shaman 120
Nexus Staff
Lord of War

Gaunt Summoner 100

Alter-Kin Coven 20

1 x 20 Kairic Acolytes 280
1 x 20 Tzaangors 360
1 x 9 Tzaangor Skyfires 480

Witchfyre Coven 60

1 x 20 Kairic Acolytes 280
1 x 10 Kairic Acolytes 140
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened 160

2000

>>51357151
>Another couple of lists, still using some battalions. The access to mortal wounds and the shooting spam are pretty cheap for 20 and 60 pts respectively.

I think that the Tzaangor Coven is the only one that's really going to be viable, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if not.

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>>51356934
Painful.

Here there was some true sabotage from them.

I'm a gaming bar owner, and to me AoS was exciting.
WHFB are some of the worst faggots ever.

>They occupy a table all day and barely consume drinks or food
>They have some of the most ugly and incomplete armies ever
>Those armies don't even make sense. Everything is proxed. "The only important thing is the base size".
>I've literally saw them play with sugar sachets instead of miniatures
They haven't brought a box of miniatures in a very long time. And I don't even sell monoGW. I even do discounts, because boxes are not my main source of income

>One time I replaced all the old ruined tables with the new pvc/mousepads. So naturally they get in and ask which one they want to try. They said "No thanks, texture is distracting, we'll play on plain wood"
I
Shit
You
Not

Now, this wouldn't be a problem. They are just shitty hobbists, right? Wrong. They are shitty persons.
My place is a bar, not a club, so casuals and curious pass by all the time.
When they see shitty people playing sugar sackets on wood, there is no way they will become interested in trying the game. And they aren't even friendly.

AoS people are the exact opposite. They care about the armies, they make their table quite nice and there are always casuals that come close to see what the game is about.

>Sometime new people pass by, and stop at the barcounter
>Ask me about this new game they have been hearing about, Age of Sigmar
>I tell him that's a very good game, especially for beginners, and that the community is very friendly.
>WHFB faggots hear that
>"AoS is shit, game has no points (mind you General's Handbook already came out), it's the most mindless game, everything is just a big mess in the middle, etc"
>I was already pissed off
>They don't even put the effort to market their game. No "come to play 9th age" or shit like that. They just shit on AoS because they are huge envious faggots.

I manage in damage control, but goddamit.

>>51349775
You will want to have a Tzaangor shaman to heal your Tzaangors up a bit to keep them over 9 or 18 models in a unit as long as possible.

>>51357168
I dunno man, Alter-Kin and Witchfyre are pretty good.

One gives you D3 mortal wounds on a 6+ to any unit within 3", and the other allows every Kairic Acolyte model to make a shooting attack every hero phase.

40 Kairic Acolytes shooting is nothing to be sniffed at, especially when it's a free attack.

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>>51357181
>I've literally saw them play with sugar sachets instead of miniatures
>play with sugar sachets
My sides, what the fuck Anon. Maybe salami slice bases meme will come true some day

>>51355032
Yeah, but Twistbray Mutants hit on a +2.

>>51353862
Maxmini or kromlech may also have some. Look for 3rd party space marine tzeentch bits.

>>51357181
Question: If their attitude is shit, they are shit towards other customers, they don't even use models to play sometimes, and they don't buy food or drink, why don't you just tell them to fuck off?

>>51357056
Yep. The old dark elves pirates can be played. You might be better off sticking to the dark elf exiles compendium warscrolls because with few exceptions they are superior. Bolt throwers and Hydras for the win.

Full disclosure though, while it is a very thematic and fluffy list its not very strong in a competative sense. But fluffy fun is better than WAC anyways.

>>51355108
Which is why I think a 30-unit deathstar is viable, because you've got three bodies before they start dying, and if you escort them with wizards as you have to, you can buff them that way.

>>51357412
With my current DE, if I rebuilt the Hydra into a Kharibdyss it's just a split between Darkling Covens + Scourgewater Privateers.

>>51357422
Might make sense, not a fan of those huge units since they are a bit unwieldy. Quite a big points investment as well. Tzaangors are quite punchy though.

>>51357406
In some countries you can not kick off a customer if he is not making a shitstorm in your place

>>51357437
Ehh you can kick out any customers you like, I think. Since in most countries a shop is considered private property.

>>51357437
I can't think of a single country that doesn't let the owner refuse custom to people for whatever reason, as long as it isn't a protected characteristic (like age, gender, race, sexuality etc)

>>51357435
>Quite a big points investment as well
Yeah, a tzangor deathstar + tzaangor coven is well above 1k, which is pretty big investment. You still need two extra battlelines on top of that...

>>51357168
I'd argue Skyshoal is if only for the bonus it gives to movement, but Tzaangor and Wychfire are pretty solid regardles. Wychfire I think could have a whole army built around; Wychfire+Horrors and/or Skyfires could make a shooting army that isn't like a standard gunline.

So I'm playing straight wanderers (without compendium). Aside from glade and eternal guard, their stuff seems painfully overcosted. Are there hidden jems I'm missing?

>>51357610
Whychfire could be good if Kairic Acolytes end up being good, I'm worried they are overpriced.

>>51357463
>>51357453
Poland. You can not kick anyone who is not making some illegal or dangerous shit in your store

>>51357624
That is the risk, though I feel that in larger games, the cost inherently goes down.

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>>51357635
>dirty unhuman limb

>>51357181
>>51356934
Where are you guys from? The owners of my local stores were pushing AoS really hard.

>>51357467
The way I'm running it is one unit of Karic's and one unit of Horrors, as together they get some good shooting (and the Horrors serve as a Wizard so when next to Acolytes they give them the boost,) with a Sorcerer Lord and a Tzaangor Shaman along the 30 man deathstar and the skyfires/enlightened ones following along too, with some extra skyfires and some chariots to run interference. With the ability to run and charge in the same turn they've got speed enough to get across the board, and the wizards boost their saves, and running them with shields helps their suitability too.

Is it a risk? Yeah. Is it going to dominate and change the meta? No. Is it gonna be a ton of fun to watch a freight train of birdmen run screaming across the board? Hell yeah.

And god help anything it actually slams into.

>>51357740
>>51357635
I feel vaguely reminded of the anontalk nonsense a couple of years back.

>>51357284
I've seen people play with ACORNS.
Fucking ACORNS. man!
They guy who played them was a white trash type who looked like he would drag you outside and break your face if you refused to play with acorns, so the guy playing with him played along.
He was cheating and rule lawyering all the way, too. What a despicable person. I later found out that he was a plumber.

What would you guys say is the best way to run Kairic Acolytes?

Per 10:Scroll of Dark Arts, Vulcharc, 3 Cursed Glaives.

Should the rest have paired cursed blades for the +1 to hit, or cursed blade and arcanite shield for the 6++? Maybe 3 with the shield and 4 with the paired blades?

>>51357181
>They are just shitty hobbists, right? Wrong. They are shitty persons.
You don't need to own a gaming bar to see this, that video of a guy burning his army to shitty death metal was everything you need to know about this kind of people.

>>51357901
Depends how you're using them. If mostly shooting, all shields because it's just better that way. Otherwise, mix shields and paired blades, likely the way you've suggested.

Honestly, I don't think running them in melee is necessarily viable; they're too expensive to tarpit and don't do enough damage.

Can I take a Chaos Command Trait if I want to use the Tzeentch Arcanites Artefacts? Army will have pure Tzeentch Arcanite/Mortal allegiance.

>>51358149
I believe so, yes.

>>51356136
But I mean, can you even tell the difference between leadbelcher and bronze if it's a basecoat for typhus corrosion?

2000 point Skyfire and Sorcerous Bolt spam list. Pretty mobile, good support heroes and a big chunk of battleline. I think Kairic Acolytes might be slightly overcosted. they'd be better at 120 for 10 IMO.

Tzaangor Shaman

Gaunt Summoner

Magister

Skyshoal Coven
3 x 3 Tzaangor Skyfires
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened

Witchfyre Coven
2 x 20 Kairic Acolytes
1 x 3 Tzaangor Enlightened

1 x 10 Kairic Acolytes

>>51357930
holy fuck I jusst watched that
is that what people were really like? a part of me wants to think it was just clickbait

>>51356074
are stormcast really mid tear?
I heard they were pretty damn good

>>51358504
They're really good, it's just AoS has too many powerful armies. The thing about Stormcast is, their power is inversely proportional to your skill. As a beginner you won't find an army that's more effective, however, as your familiarity with the game grows, you discover powerful tricks that other factions have to offer.

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Nurgle battletome when?

>>51358839
Don't be greedy. You've got Rotbringers and amazing new models.

Okay /aosg/ if you could replace one kit/miniature in the current range with a new updates version, which one would it be?

>Jezzails

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>>51358909
just give me the swordmasters from Isle of blood as a sprue and ill be happy

>>51358839
>>51358885
If the usual suspects aren't just yanking my chain, some time this year. If they are, sorry for accidental hype.

>>51358833
I would say the exact opposite of this is true.

Stormcast are a garbage tier army in the hands of a novice but become incredibly powerful in an advanced players hands because they have a plethora of interesting movement and combat mechanics. What they lack in wizards they more than make up for in their ability to choose engagements on their own terms.

Most people that think Stormcast are mediocre are not using Lightning Strike battalions to their full potential.

>>51358909
Handgunners.

>>51357621
Sisters of the Watch are pretty great, anon.

>>51349743

It plays smoothly for sure but it's far from balanced, AoS is not the game you look to for balanced competitive play, fun models, pick up and play ect. Then you're in luck

>>51359018
Hastings?

>>51357901
fwiw, there are only 4 daggers in the whole box, so making paired blades will be difficult without resorting to conversion work.

>>51358909
Infernal Guard. I need big hats in my life.

>>51355756
warrioe brotherhood is bitchslapped to the bottom of each and every tournament.
its only good in casual or dimb player

>>51357625
But they are actively damaging your business. There has to be grounds for that.

>>51356084
or you know, a sc slaves to darkness that isnt utter shit for tzeentch with things like chaos knighs, chariot and warshrine.
the currenr sc slaves to darkness is one of the worst (the worst being the seraphon ome) it's basically a trap, good luck doing something with vanilla chaos warrior on foot

>>51359347
>warrioe brotherhood is bitchslapped to the bottom of each and every tournament.
lolwut

>>51357347
yeah but the greatsword hits actually matters with 2 damage rend -1

>>51358909
fatemaster

>>51359600
I can live with the classic model, but something tells me they're gonna replace him very soon.

>>51359454
Not my, I'm not the Bar Anon

>>51359496
not him but thats true, i've mever seen them iRL or on stream/report perform well at all in a non casual environment.
you can easily screen 10 inch all around your army with cheap crap and if theyspawn in front of you they autoloose, so they end up taking objectives and being picked off the table like any slow melee armylist. alpha strike is good-osh but not better than a regular army striking first.


the guy on warhammer tv just surrendered vs beastclaw? Not even sure anymore, it was a massacre, and like every warrior bro game, just forgettable

>>51359666
Um

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/29/top-5-lists-from-blood-glory/

>>51359702
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/29/top-5-lists-from-blood-glory/
linking the only tournament where that guy won buy points shenanigans and lucked his third game.

Still its the one exception to the rule, most of the time it happens like in the stream

>>51359760
its lucky when they win, but not lucky when any other faction wins?

okay sure thing bud

>>51355389
The world is still just as lethal, just more colorfully so. Maybe just replace the pitchforks and tools with other weapons?

>>51359760
>a game balanced solely around dice
>luck

Anon...

So I'm really liking the vibe of seraphon, the models are great, the lore is cool, and they're anathema to my Skaven so the dichotomy is a nice touch. But I'm having major problems building lists for them.

Mortal wounds aren't super prevalent in my meta outside of arcane bolts or the occasional signature spell.

Here's the first list I came up with, I like the eternal starhost as well as all the models used but I'm worried about it being slow and therefore crap with objectives.

Leaders
Skink Priest (100)
-Priestly Trappings

Skink Starseer (160)

Saurus Eternity Warden (140)
-Artefact: Phoenix Stone

Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (260)
-General
-War Spear
-Trait: Legendary Fighter
-Artefact: Quicksilver Potion

Battleline

10 x Saurus Guard (200)
-Seraphon Battleline

10 x Saurus Guard (200)
-Seraphon Battleline

5 x Saurus Guard (100)
-Seraphon Battleline

Units
3 x Terradon Riders (140)
-Starstrike Javelins

1 x Salamanders (60)

Behemoths

Bastiladon (300)

Stegadon (260)

Battalions
Eternal Starhost (80)

Total:2000/2000

The second list is more speed oriented, relying on the skinks to skirmish and hold objectives. This list is squishy and I worry that the Enemy will be able to chew through my force without me pulling ahead in objective points

List Summary

Leaders
Skink Starseer (160)
-General
-Trait: Master of Defense
-Artefact: Talisman of Blinding Light

Skink Starpriest (100)
-Artefact: Talisman of Blinding Light

Skink Priest (100)
-Priestly Trappings

Battleline

10 x Saurus Guard (200)
-Seraphon Battleline

20 x Skinks (160)
-Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers

20 x Skinks (160)
-Boltspitter and clubs

Units
2 x Salamanders (120)

6 x Terradon Riders (280)
-Starstrike Javelins

3 x Skink Handlers (40)

Behemoths
Bastiladon (300)

Stegadon (260)

Battalions
Heavenswatch Starhost (100)

Total:1980/2000

I'm not married to these lists and. Most of is theory hammer.

>>51359780
Did you see that game ? not a single thundertusk rolled above 2 with their breath when they were hurt, and not a single grot pulled a wound on anything, and he won buy a single point.
Call it "Way above average rolling form its part and Average rolls of its opponent that defy the laws of statistics" if "luck" trigger you.

Again, most of the time, it happen like in the twitch stream of the GT.
You can also go to any website that list tournament result and see for yourself. As long as kurnoth with bow or cheap hordes or beastclaw are a thing, they wont perform well

>>51358885
But we need a new GUO

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>>51360263
Nah, I'm mostly ok with you but cheap horde can still be dealt with if he doesn't screen perfectly
Pic related however, and most other Arcanum shit is why this cannot be something when its not GW regulated tournament than ban everything forgeworld, because in regular stores, people play those things.

I quickly understood why another guy and I were the only ones still trying to perform with stormcasts in my city,

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>>51358909
Eshin clan anything

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MORE FUCKING SIGMARINES, COULD YOU FUCKING NOT GW

>>51360349
The Glottkin...

>>51360427
Thing is, you can easily screen about 10" all around your army with grots or zombies. I agree about FW things, I didn't even think it was necessary to mention things like magma dragons, Behemot squigs and mournghul

>>51360349
This. Every version of GUO looks like a shit. Daemons of Nurgle and Rotbringers have great models but big daemons are terrible

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>>51360349
you already have one, it is the sole purpose of this FW model, they were basically asked to refresh the GUO.
So don't expect anything within the next 15 years

>>51360607
This, AND glottkin that was a VERY failed attempt.
I only ever see those 2 in tournaments, some even ban the normal GW models because it makes to sense to be that small and powerful

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Opinions?

>>51360607
The official FW GUO is god tier honestly, all others pale in comparison

>>51360562
Sayl is pretty ok.

>>51360669
>griff hound box
11/10

will be using as warhounds for mordheim

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>>51360607
It's fucking disgusting - not in Nurgle way, just as a model. Pic related is the only one looking good enough to use but 120 Duncan shekels?

>>51360669
Now those are quite nice. Much more interesting than the basic space marines. Maybe it's the stances or the little things like the bear pelt. The Birdcats are funky too, but part of that is the nice paint jobs. I like all of those in different ways.

>>51360669
Absolutely sigmarting

>>51360669
nice and spicey
glad I waited till now to start thinking about getting stormcast when we have more stuff on the way
how well do packs of gryph hounds do on the table?

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>>51360669
looking forward to it/10

Then again, I am a SCE fan. What's even more interesting is they are planning on doing a complete SCE battletome, which includes rules for ALL of the faction, like the new tzeentch one.

Which sucks for those who bought the previous 2 SCE battletomes, but something to look forward to.

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>>51360669
>dynamic poses
>hatchets
>furs
So, we have SE Space Wolves? Im in.

>>51360669
As a Stormcast player, on the one hand, we really don't need more models compared to other armies.

On the other, I love them.

>>51360669
What am i looking at? Cus i want it.

>>51360711
Those are gryph-chargers, much bigger. Also there is rumored to be another kit coming with those guys being ridden by the new guys.

>>51360669
They need to move on from the fucking Stormcast already.

>>51360773
I'd like to see something that includes free peoples, with formations that let you synergize them
I'd also like an extremis chamber that can actually be used in matched play, you can do that with fucking everchosen why not extremis?

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>>51360798
>Those are gryph-chargers, much bigger.
Look the same size to me, man. Unless skulls have suddenly doubled in size.

>>51360669
the hound champion looks majestic as fuck

the stormcasts don't really bring anything both new and impressive, on top of making little sense to have vanguard units with superheavy armor, but whatever seems like I'm not the target of the sigmarines aesthetic at all.

I was hoping for the empire to get back its needed spotlight considering the new stage of the narrative seems to be revolving around these new cities.

>>51360669
>>51360773
Can we be done with Sigmarines now?
Can we finally get new Elves and Lizards?

>>51360669
> fidoheim comes bounding up to the kennel master to slobber all over him
> impales the kennel master with that chest spike

>>51360669
Holy shit the Sigmar anon with the square bases made a conversion for these guys a lot of time ago.

>>51360877
Eventually. They will get around to all the factions eventually. How do you think the steamhead duardin guys are feeling? Their shit has been teased for-fucking-ever, and no confirmation in sight.

Enough with the fucking Stormcast

Where are muh Daerk Aelvaes?

>>51360669

Minus the weapon choices, these are exactly what liberators should have looked like in the first place. They have personality. They have poseability. They don't look like faceless hordes of mindless brutes.

The paladin kit pulls off the burly hulking look well enough, but liberators are pure ass. If they looked like these new guys but with hammers I'd be a Stormcast rather than entirely put off by their shitty looking basic dudes.

>>51361016
I think we;ll see these being used to kitbash the basic liberators and add more variety into peoples armies.

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>>51360929
Like, a year ago, I think...

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>>51360992
this
I want my dank ælves start collection

>>51355749
>https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=102
Oh my god, yes, thank you this is PERFECT!
Now I have to choose deity! Fuck!

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>>51360669

>>51360669
>PLEASE BUY SIGMARINES, PLEASE

>>51360669
Is this new grots?

>>51361082
That guy is ahead of his time. Using prosecutors as base is a great idea for that dynamic posing.

Now I just need to think how I am going to do these guys for my Forgesworn Eternals. I definitely will be replacing the heads with Irondrake ones, but for the crossbows, I may experimenting with having them holding drakeguns and axes instead. The furs fit, but I will probably try topping them off with bear claws, because bears is kind of their thing.

>>51360669
Let's hope even the thickets dipshits will now stop calling them golems.

The models are absolutely ace, btw.

>>51360669
>vanguard
Furs, hatchets and machetes? I'm in. Cool helmets and crossbows are just a bonus. Unit size is weird, though.
Also, not a fan of the helmetless guy, but that's an easy fix.

>gryph-hound box
Halleluja! Fucking finally; took them long enough.

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>>51357777
I rather not say, because this is still 4chan. Maybe you'll recognize the place.

>>51361284
Well, we know it's on the equator.

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>>51356934
>>51357181

Holy shit... being this rustled.

Can we all just pull our collective arses out of our heads and admit WHFB had some good stuff and AoS has some good stuff and both communities have dickheads in them.

>>51360669
from the article seems we're going to see 2 more things: gryph chargers and the aetherwing on top of some stormcast riding one or both of the 2 things

I'd say the previous rumor engine refers to the aetherwing as it showed a non textured neck where GW gryphs would have their feathers on it, but then again it looked fairly small and the article is referring to it as a singular so maybe the other kit is just stormcast rider on aetherwing+gryph chargers retinue

>>51360811
This. These models look nifty and all, but I'd appreciate them a lot more if they were coming out like...a year from now. There are factions other than the golden poster children.

>>51361340
If the Aetherwing is a stormcast riding a giant eagle then that saves me picking up the hobbit eagles for my conversion .

>>51361370
I have a feeling it'll go something like X faction, stormcast, X faction, stormcast...

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>>51361398
this looks nothing like the anatomy of a eagle tho, the neck screams equine to me

>>51361482
gryph chargers are also waiting to be shown, so it could be that.

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>>51352655
Warhammer wasn't really that derivative of Tolkien though, just because it had elves and dwarfs and orcs mate. The tone and aesthetic were utterly different, and tone and aesthetics are the real important part of what makes a setting tick.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/23/the-vanguard-of-the-storm/

>The vanguard of the storm…

>The Mortal Realms have been beset this month by the corrupting forces of change: cults of acolytes rise in the Free Cities, bestial Tzaangors attack from the wild places and Deamons claw at the veil between worlds.

>Dire times indeed for Sigmar’s people. The God-King has seen these developments, though, and even now prepares his retaliation. This February, the Vanguard Chambers are unleashed.

>These swift and deadly warriors are a new type of Stormcast Eternal – rangers, trackers and cavalrymen without compare. They are swift vengeance to the forces of Chaos, and the outriders and scouts of Sigmar’s armies. The models that are on the way make for an imposing army (and you may recognise a little piece of their kit from a previous Rumour Engine…).

>The sleeker armour of these hunters allows for more dynamic miniatures compared to the heavy-hitters found in many Stormcast Eternal battlelines. They also have a much more feral appearance, draped in furs and pelts, and feeling much more like an army that is at home in the wide realms, rather than a fresh new arrival from Azyr (as the Stormcasts were when we were first introduced to them).

>>51361326
>admit WHFB had some good stuff
That's true and I didn't said it is not. I like dwarf models
>and both communities have dickheads in them
Sadly, no. How could I admit this if I have never meet any AoS-related asshole? I wouldn't mind if I met a salty WHFB mourner but these guys were fucking owners and sellers at their stores - how retarded you have to be to counteract every attempt to create a fuckin community that would buy products at their stores? They were swaggering because I was a newbie customer that wanted to buy neat golden fighters instead of wasting money on their dead game

>They bring with them loyal beasts of the Celestial Realm, some familiar, like the Gryph-hound, and some we have never seen before, like the Aetherwing and the formidable Gryph-chargers (more on those very soon).

>To accompany this impressive range of new models the Stormcast Eternals are also getting a brand new Battletome. This book will match the format of the recent Disciples of Tzeentch book, and will be packed with content for those who love Sigmar and his champions. The background of the book, like Chaos Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch before it, explores the setting beyond the events of the Realmgate Wars, including Sigmar’s new cities.

>Gamers will find all the current Stormcast Eternal units, as well as all the news ones in there, along with Allegiance Abilities, battleplans, magical Artefacts, Battalions, prayers and more besides. For the first time, we’ll also get specific abilities to represent the most famed Stormhosts like the Hammers of Sigmar and the Hallowed Knights (Only the Faithful!)

>February is going to be a great time for Stormcast Eternals players.

>We’ll have lots more to show you from these guys soon, so stay posted.

>PS: We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow. Check back then to find out what…

Really curious about the gryph-chargers...

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>>51361555
>a new type of Stormcast Eternal
So what is the best number for stormcast eternal battletome ? 60-70 ?

>>51360262
Anyone?

>>51360669
Would you hate it if I used these as some thousand sons rubrics and tzeentchen equivalents to flesh hounds?

>>51361741
You are aware Rubrics have a new kit *and* look nothing like this?

>>51360541
Is trash

>>51361741
>tzeentchen equivalents to flesh hounds?
Based idea/10

>>51361741
Not at all. It's your hobby, and unless your painting is utter shit, I don't see myself hating any conversions, as long as they look good.

>>51361675
Use warscroll builder if you want more answers, some just dont want ot read,
Other than the 5 eternal will be vaporized off the table by anything shooting at them, the list is standard and really nothing to say.
Would happily play against /10

>>51361776
Well I mostly want the hounds but have no idea of I can get them without the strocasts

>>51360607
This model is trash too.

FW daemon prince is better

>>51361835
>FW daemon prince

Wtf are you talking about

>>51361830
It looks like the hounds are going to be a separate kit, so have at it, man! I'm absolutely sure GW wouldn't give a shit. Just do something to make them look more chaosy. Right now they look too noble-bright.

>>51361828
I used it to make the list but screenshots off my phone are weirdly sized, thus why I just copied it.

The five guard were just going to be honor guard for the heroes anyway desu, maybe camp an objective if they are desperate enough but I don't expect much from them

Anyone have a painting guide for Knights Excelsior? friend of mine wants to paint white stormcast

>tfw love tzaangors and cultists
>but also wanted to be able to play both settings, but converting cultists for one setting would make them incompatable with the other
>can't use TK or daemon engines in AOS
Do I just nUT up and play only part of my army in AOS or get even crazier?

>>51349448
In a box of Putrid Blightkings, they have a ton of different options it seems.. What all is missing from being able to make 10 of them instead of just 5 out of a single box?

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>>51361862
Probably this, genius.

>>51361879
Well the Majester has the power to turn enemies into chaos sawn so I have an excuse to buy that kit and slap the spare Gribblies on the hounds

I kinda wanna play an "undivided" army that's really just tzeentch stealing/bootlegging other gods daemons

>can't use TK or daemon engines in AOS
What? Tomb Kings are a viable army in AoS

>>51362038
He ment thousand sons, I think he ment TKS

>>51361956
>tzaangors are availiable in both settings
>kairic acolythes are now count-as cultists
>soulgrinders have AoS stats
Done. Anything else?

>>51361628
Probably $35, that's the standard price for post-Kirby battletomes.

>>51361284
And even if people recognise it, which they won't, so what? They're gonna curse your family?

>>51362074
Helldrakes, forge fiends, rubrics, dreads, magnus

Also if I play AOS how do I explain the guns on my cultists?

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>>51360992
This! So much this!

>>51361927
White is the absolute hardest colour to get right.

>>51362102
Magnets?

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>>51360541

Why the fuck does everyone say this?

>Plastic GUO when?
>REEEEEEE YOU GOT THE GLOTTKIN 2 YEARS AGO STFU

The Glottkin is not a GUO. That would be like people saying "You don't need a new Lord of Change, you got Magnus."

A plastic Great Unclean One would be ace. Maybe a kit to make Bolathrax and a generic GUO.

Not to say FW's isn't heat. Because it is. But I wouldn't mind Nurgle getting Tzeentch's treatment eventually with a battletome and such.

>Oh joy, more Stormcast. What next, more footslogging Khorne troops too? I'd rather see anything rather than more Stormcast

>>51362150
Sorry, nothing yet for your nothing personnel dark weebs.

>>51362170
I don't think they've been invented in AOS, anon.

>>51362186
Magnus has 40k looking parts. Otherwise he would've been fine as a LoC. It's all pointless talk now because they released a real LoC and it's the best miniature of all time.

>>51352368
>Fuck off Matt

anyone else notice how oddly specific this is?

>>51362186
I've always hated this artists renditions of the Chaos Gods

with the kits that are available on the market, is it possible to have 10 very distinctly different Blightkings without modding or kitbashing?

>>51362210
He's saying to magnetize the arms for the cultists, but I'm guessing the whiner will whine "but that's hard"

>>51362291
Why is that?

>>51362379
Just feels he missed the point entirely with each one, made em look overly edgy as well as also making Slaanesh an ultra beautiful woman rather than a revolting and bloated from elf souls horror

>>51362257
Magnus is a character so he should be 40k only, daemon engines can be counts as for other shit like more soul grinders, rubrics could with some squinting could be counts as stomcasts, basically check allies to see what would work best with the modle

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>>51359702
unsurprisingly zero elves anywhere to be seen in any tournament winning lists.

ELVES FACTION RELEASE WHEN?

>>51362297
I have 20 that are all different, with the amount of arms and weapons that can be easily cut and replaced the possibilitys are limitless

>>51362418
God damn you elf fags are the fucking worst