Warhammer 40,000 general

>Eldars can respawn again edition.

Is this another one of those "alternative facts"?

>>51345480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvuYAOJi8M

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>>51345463
So... /40kg/...
How do you pronounce Ynnead?
Also, who dis?

>>51345520
last thread

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Anons, please help me - I got the CSM Terminator Lord's Cadre and can't decide how to build the fuckers. What are your go-to loadouts? Also is termie Lord worth running? Or should I use the model as a count as champion for 2x3 setup? I really don't feel like magnetizing them, especially since my autism will be unsatisfied with extra arms being shoulder-pad-less...

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Why are all four example Word Bearers very differently painted in the CSM Codex?

And how do I paint like this?

>>51345520
"Dænny"

>>51345520
yuh NAY id.

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Friendly reminder that everything will be fine
>>51343777

>>51345554
Oooooohhhh Dænny boyyyyyyy the pipes the pipes are calliiiiing

>>51345520
I'd say it would be "EE-Need".

>>51345520
In-need

>>51345463
That is the most random thing to see in a newspaper comic.

In other news, the Tyrannocyte. Good transport for zoanthropes or just too expensive for that sort of thing? I got a big group o' 6 Zoanthropes and am wondering if a not-drop pod would be a good way to use them or just be a poorly thought out gimmick. A little outside perspective will help me decide if I should get one.

>>51345546
all you need to do is _____________________________git gud_____________________________

>>51345546
If I recall,Word Bearers split into Chapters before it was cool.

Ok I've had a Eldar Battalion primed and ready for like 5-10 years now, what are some neat colour schemes for Eldar?

It's pronounced Enid, you dumb cunts. Like Enid Blyton.

>>51345584
Might actually be nice as a sort of drop Malta alternative. They can psychic lance blast a tank to decent effect, then rely on their 3++ to keep them safe.

>>51345606
But that's not true.
It's ee-NAY-ad

>>51345520
Like 'Sinead O'Connor' but without the Sh.

So, In-Aids.

Is Fall of Cadia a worthwhile buy if you're only interested in the lore/story?

Posting again in the new thread.

So i'm working on a iron hands army and this is what i'm currently working towards.
Would this list be ok?
Currently a space wolfs player is smashing most people with a thunder wolf cavalry/wulfen list that i have no idea how to beat. Huge movement T5 and 3++ just fuckes everyone.

Inquisitorial Representative
HQ
Inquisitor Coteaz 100pts


IH Fist of Medusa Strike Force
Core
Formation: Battle Demi-Company

Bike Squad 93pts
2 x Grav-gun

Captain 215pts
Artificer Armour, The Gorgon's Chain, Lightning Claw , Power Fist, Bike

Devestator Squad 130pts
4 x Plasma Cannon

Tactical Squad 160 pts
Razorback with Lascannon and Twin-Linked Plastma Gun
Grav-gun

Tactical Squad 160 pts
Razorback with Lascannon and Twin-Linked Plastma Gun
Grav-gun

Tactical Squad 155 pts
Razorback with Lascannon and Twin-Linked Plastma Gun
Meltagun


Command
Formation: Librarius Conclave 305 pts
Librarian
Psyker Level 2, Bike
Librarian
Psyker Level 2, Bike
Librarian
Psyker Level 1, Bike


Auxiliary
Honoured Ancients 180 pts
Ironclad Dreadnoughts
Drop Pod
Chainfist w/Heavy Flamer, Powerfist w/Heavy Flamer

No joke, I have been in such a good mood ever since this was announced today. I love the Eldar so god damn much. I cannot wait to get the Sword of Ynnead model.

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>>51345520
Literally already revealed.

>>51345535
I made my lord a Sorcerer and gave three of the normal guys axes and Combi-Plasma, one dude the maul and Reaper Autocannon, and the Champion Combi-Plasma and a Chainfist. The abundance of Plasma lets them nuke most things on the turn they teleport in (I always deep strike mine) and the axes mean heavy infantry and light vehicles are turned into pulp in melee. The Autocannon allows a little bit of extra firepower if you can't get into melee. The Sorcerer gives you a great deal of flexibility that when combined with Marks allows you to tool them to do just about anything.

Overall that setup has served me very well.

>>51345535
I play KdK, but for me, Axe of Khorne or Goredrinker plus Lightning claw.

For the termis, 1 Chainfist, 2 Power Fists, and 2 Power Axes. 2 Combi meltas, and combi bolter if you got for 3 dudes. 2 CMs, 2 CBs, if you go for 4 dudes, since you can only take the Heavy in 5+, and that means no termistar in a LR.

>>51345661
Can you get a fortification in that detachment? If so, take a Haemotrope Reactor for your plasma devs. Have Coteaz hang out and let them reroll gets-hot.

>>51345463
>Eldars can respawn again edition.
>See OP pic.
>Tarkus must be ultra-pissed by this.

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New GSC Broodmare HQ

>>51345684
>We will never have plastic Incubi
I might just have to buy 5 of this dude and make some conversions.

>>51345684

Goddamn, the Age of the Emperor is gonna rock with the Imperium of Eldar.

>>51345709
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE

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>>51345709

Are the newest Eldar Corsair rules in the mega? The scan file that was signed by the stories artist?

I recall it was updated once but I dont know in what capacity. There isnt anything in the downloads

>>51345709
love child of an Endless Space Horatio and Naga Siren

>>51345667
I remember getting so hyped before tau got their last release(before it was revealed to be more tacticool shotguns, turrets, and Stormsurge/Ghostkeel/Supremacy). Im not even being sarcastic, im glad its something a good amount of actual eldar fans seem to appreciate. Even if they dont all enjoy the model, i think its got a little bit of appeal to everyone, somewhere

>>51345602
Yeah, but they used their legion colors still, the only thing that changed was chapter icons.

>>51345589
>tfw leveled dex
>didn't tell anyone tho

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>>51345706
Oh boy, you got no idea.

>>51345775
Didn't pre-heresy legions all have chapters and shit? I remember reading the first few HH books fucking years ago and there being several chapter masters mentioned.

You fucking faggot.

>>51345765
I just absolutely love the Eldar, no matter how many people hate them for being cheesy. I love their lore, I love their looks, and I'm SO glad that we're getting a new release. I freaked out on my local WH40K Groupchat. I'm so excited for this.

Yncarne The Avatar of Ynnead needs a eldar body on which to incarnate....
And the chosen is Vect!

>>51345818
You're right on both accounts.

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>>51345602
>WORD Bearers
>love reading and books and shit
>split into CHAPTERS

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>>51345818
Yeah, but Legion chapters all used the same color scheme with very little variation. Notable were Veteran and sergeant schemes, but that's still the same as in 40k. The Word Bearers were unique in that their chapters didn't use tactical markings, but instead had the icon of their chapter on their right shoulder. Their legion icon remained on their left, like the rest of the legions.

Also, Veteran Word Bearers were Flesh Tearers before Flesh Tearers were a thing.

>>51345826
buy boobies (single)

>>51345520
Ya-need

>>51345844

So, by that logic, the only chaos mark the Word Bearers should have is the bookmark?

>>51345826
First for Slaanesh wont actually be killed off, but Ynnead will be some dumb missing piece that completes it. He and She keeps being brought up, and Ynnead is awful chaos-y looking, while Slaanesh comes off excessively gorgeous, this way we can have out Chaos Aeldar, DAeldar, and all your subfactions, and still sell boob demons
Im almost tempted to timestamp this, i can see them shitting this out now

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>>51345844
>>51345907
>Lorgar isn't the primarch
>he's the index

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>>51345826
Oo have certain resemblance

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Hows does this list look for going against Death Guard?

>>51345884
>Veteran Word Bearers were Flesh Tearers before Flesh Tearers were a thing.
Unless you know about some weird time travelling version of 40k that even existed before Rogue Trader was written you are full of shit.
Stop sucking FW dick. A retcon is a retcon.

>>51345685
So 5 men squad + sorc? Is Reaper AC worth it? Also Does it actually perform well against things other, than 2+ dudes?
>>51345695
Seems very expensive. Wouldn't taking more CMs instead of powerfists make more sense?

Can anyone be kind enough to add death masque to the mega so I can read the lore for ynnead and stuff?

>>51345747
Ok so this isn't the updated one in any of the megas.

Anyone got a link to the updated Imperial Armour: The Doom of Mymeara?

>>51345956
Calm down, anon, I'm just joking about the odd similarity to the Vet WB scheme has with the FT scheme.

>>51345981
It is expensive, but the problem is the the Termi Lord kit has 1 Combi-Melta, and the Chaos Termi kit has 1 Combi-Melta.

>>51345747
>>51346040
It is in one of the Megas. You wand the 2nd edition since both are there.

>>51345994
https://www.scribd.com/document/326590196/Death-Masque

>>51345981
Yep 5+S. I mostly play against Tau, but yeah I find it works well against everything from TEQ to GEQ to MCs. Normally I use them as a decapitating strike against Crisis suit HQs or ,when I play against the local 'Nid player, his ranged MCs. With MoN their T5 makes them pretty difficult for Horde armies to even get a wound in on them. I'd say that setup is useful as a Take All Comers squad. It will however get torn up pretty badly by dedicated combat HQs. A high initiative MC (Like a Daemon Prince) can wipe them out before they can even fight back. Overall though they'll earn their points and then some most battles.

>>51345709
I bet she was a Howling Banshee in the past.

>>51346087
Scribd
is
cancer

literally monetizing theft of IP

>>51345826
>>51345945
Well, then, could Yvraine be Malys?

Making a 1750 Admech force. How to make a fluffy Cawl army, I was brought him for a recent gift and I'm not sure what book I need to get.

>>51346160
Cawl is in Fall of Cadia.

>>51346117
>monetizing
just make a pdf with lore ipsum, upload and download what you want.

>>51346087
thx anon

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>>51346112
I hope not, my dick can only take so much.

At least she's not a redhead.

Do Dark Eldar use Wraithbone or do they use some other type of building material?

>>51345945
Would Ynnead mess up Vect's body enough to give him titties?
Also, that means that the Geldling would be left to rule Commorragh in his place. He'd probably go become the Avatar without telling ANYONE but the Geldling.

>>51346244
Well, all you need to do is apply some paint.

>>51346198
I mean am I meant to but the cult mechanicus book or the skitarii for a fluff force, I've got the rules for cawl.

>>51346058
>the problem is the the Termi Lord kit has 1 Combi-Melta, and the Chaos Termi kit has 1 Combi-Melta.
How would you've built it, if you had infinite bitz?

>>51346105
What about the Reaper AC? It seems overcosted

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URSUS CLAWS

fuck yeah

>>51346248

Wraithbone requires psychic power to create. Since the Dark Eldar repress their psychic abilities to avoid She-Who-Thirsts attention they cannot make Wraithbone. Instead they use conventional manufacturing for their weapons and machinery.

>>51346270
You can use either, or both. Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus are both playable armies by themselves but they are literally the same faction so teamups are absolutely fluffy.

If you pick pure Skitarii, you'll be locked into fielding CADs, though, since outside of the Dominus Maniple they don't have any HQ choices for Cawl to replace.

>>51346270
Both.

But be sensible and buy none, doubly so since 8th is coming in summer or something, just pirate and print until GW can be arsed to make a single codex.

>>51346117
I dunno the books really outpace a reasonable price. If full colour codexs can be 15 bucks 6 years ago they can now.

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>>51346299
Spehs Sharks use Ursus claws?

Confirmed for World Eater gene seed.

>>51342410

Well Armageddon is the Ork homeworld of the Beast, Ullanor. I'd be quite surprised if that didn't come back in the Gathering Storm at some point. Especially as Ghaz is close to having a Tellyporta capable of sending him back there in the blink of an eye.

>>51346250
...something that will happen with the khaine's gate will have to do with Vect and this decision.

>>51346287
Tbqh all power axes with one or two Chainfists and either all combimeltas or two CMs and 2/3 CBs with an optional heavy weapon.

>>51346334
That don't mean other fucks should profit.
Not a moralfag about downloads, but paid piracy is buying stolen goods.

>>51346333
Nice trips, I can grab the PDFs for my iPad at some point.

>>51346312
Well. What do you recommend for him, I never touched a ad mech force, I play tinned fish with breachers as my main force.

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>>51346334
>paying money
>for pirated copies of digital products
Anon, I think you missed a very essential piece here...

>>51345562
I'll give you a-

DAS RACISSS

Only my impression or Gathering of the storm is veryyyy rushed?. In one short book where a lot of content is about events outside Cadia, cadia get rekt. Now in second book they attack biel-tan. Isn;t this campaign escalating too fast?

>>51346436
Ignoring formation BS, you'd pretty much be set with one of the big battleforces and two boxes of start collecting.
Skitarii vanguards with plasma for medium/close, Maybe a unit of Rangers and Arquebi if you want to snipe some, Infiltrators to walk up with Cawl and Kastellans to debuff, spidercans as anything from AA to long range antitank or close range shooting (You're getting magnets, right?), Destroyers for blasting plasma or grav, the walker preferably as a Dragoon in a unit of 3+, otherwise just the ranged version as a single unit. And Electropriests only if you get them in the battleforce.

That should give you somethign to work with, either until a full dex with more stuff drops with 8th or until the next IA book brings in the 30k units.

>>51346605
Who said it was attacked?

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bets on the man in baroque power armor with an enraged expression in Trazyn's collection actually being the Doomguy?

>>51346626
I was going to grab the getting started box, but I've heard they are a ass to mould line/put together. By magnets, do you mean for weapons or actual magnets.

>>51346724
actual magnets

>>51345684
Could that be the scorpions' primarch? I know it's the wrong word, but I'm too lazy to look the right one up.

>>51346735
Sweet, I know my local games shop sells stuff with a 20pc discount, so I'll get from there.

>>51346784
Wasn't he Slaanesh worshiper?

>>51346784
>>51346817
Phoenix Lord, and I'm pretty sure he just went to Deldar, not Chaos

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>>51346784
Phoenix Lord, and no, because he already has a model. Unless you're referring to Arhra, but he's still nowhere to be found in the canon.

>>51346287
I personally like the AC, AP4 isn't bad and S7 means you'll wound basically all infantry without issue well at the same time being able to ding vehicles. It's TL so you'll hit with both shots most of the time. I find the thing that makes it worth it though is softening up squads that you want to assault. A squad of Tau or Eldar with two fewer dudes is much less effective during overwatch than they would be with them.

>>51346784
>>51346835
He was last seen in late M41. Fought second Scorpions Phoenix.

>>51346855

>Ahra not in the cannon

>Ahra in the Eldar codex

>>51345500
>>51345945
Why the hell Avatar of Eldar god of death look like Slaaneshi Daemon Prince?

>>51346835
>>51346855
Yeah, I mean Arhra. I know it's implied that he's Drazhar, but GW could surprise us.

>>51346893
>Why does the Eldar god of Death look like something that's been killing them for millennia?

It's a mystery

>>51346933
Little conversion and we have plastic Slaaneshi daemon prince.

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What would you guys add to this list to make it 1850 points? This is what I have so far, but my group wants to make 1850 our standard so I was hoping you guys might have some insight.

>>51346373
It's implied they are mixed i.e. They picked up some ex world eaters
Sort of how chaos use loyalist gene seed because their own is mutated

>>51347028

I guess the question is - what is your goal? Do you want to restructure it to be more competitive, do you just want to add fluffy stuff, where do you want to go with the list?

>>51347028
Stormraven for termies + termi captain, can also haul dread
Take another dread, ironclad
More tactical marines, consider some combi plasmas for their sarges
A unit of devestators would round it off. Lascannons. Max out the squad so they don't get dead too fast.
Also thunderfire cannons are baller

>>51346244
she's bald so she could be

>>51347028
two rhinos or drop pods for your basic marines

some kind of heavy ordinance to deal with tanks (vindicator? predator? devastator squad?)

a redeemer or crusader for your terminators

that'd probably take it to 1500

>>51347049
Mostly fluffy, lots of shooty. I love Dreadnoughts, but I'm not sure how much of a good idea running more would be.

>>51347039
Nah mate, Sharks are pure Terran RG.

>>51346373

The flag ship White Maw of the Third Company has Ursus Claws. I don't like a lot of that novel though seems like they shoved a lot of uncanon shit in the chapter.

>>51347134
No she isn't. You can see her hair pulled back on the forehead.

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>>51347028
>my group wants to make 1850 our standard
Why would they want to do this? What do their lists/planned lists look like? What armies do they play?

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>>51347154
for me at least it's a good read

which is what I care about

>>51347172

Because 1850 is already the global tournament standard, scrub. Even in the Eastern hemisphere they've moved from 1750 to 1850.

>>51345949
Don't take the sponsons on the standard leman russ. Reduce the CCS melta to 2. Find something to fill the points you now have.l

>>51347242
>oh boy a novel to finally give me more info on how to paint my army
>off white terminators with red helmet mouths
>red stripes for power armored veterans
>volkite calivers in the tactical squads
>apothecaries regularly participating in battles
>ship walls and combat shields made out of coral
>Red Brethren tactical terminators instead of LC

What the fuck R-Mac.

>>51347255
That's exactly why there is cause for concern, Anon. 1850 is a points bracket famously populated by tryhards and WAAC.

>>51347283

Oh okay, I thought you were asking because "why that number in particular". I agree games need to go down to 1500 these days, 1850 in 7E is equivalent to 2000+ in past editions due to things like Riptides, WKs, and Battle Company.

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>>51347282
that coral shit was on point void brother

>>51347336

As long as it's not pink coral.

>>51347309
I dunno, 1850 is pretty good for a large-ish game if you're just playing with casual armies.

>>51347172
I play Iron Hands Space Marines, one dude plays Tau with a Riptide but nothing bigger, one guy plays horde 'Nids, another plays Space Wolves, and finally one person is just starting to build a Necron army. We mostly learned from battle reps, and 1850 seems to be the most common points value so that's what we decided on.

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>>51347336
For the Void Father!

>>51347360
Large 40k games suck. The table is too small for that shit. I'd take two faster, medium games with plenty of terrain over one large one.

Why the FUCK didn't Death Guard get a fucking Manreaper in the new supplement???????????????????????????????

wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>51347431
GW forgot to give them EVERYTHING good.

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>>51347391

>>51347411
>The table is too small for that shit.
Not if you're playing on 8x4s, mate. The only real problem is stores usually don't have enough terrain for that size of game and certain armies dominate.

>>51347282
>Red Brethren tactical terminators instead of LC
Probably because theres more than 5 in existence and arent fighting directly alongside tyberos

look at the terran XIX pictures from Horus Hresy Book 3 for what the exile tattoos look like

>>51347457
>8x4 table
>hammer and anvil deployment
>opponent brought tau

>>51347445
>no Bezerker Glaive
>no Manreaper
It's shit

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITT

>>51347457

1850 fits fine on a 6x4 table - the big question is do you have enough terrain. At my club part of all club dues go to providing club terrain so we have plenty but I've been to some stores/events that certainly do not.

>>51347457
>implying 8x4 is the norm

No fucking shit? You know there's a reason the rulebook and everyone not playing Apocalypse use 6x4, and that's why a non-retarded person would know that's the standard that's assumed to be in play in this discussion? 4' is still too narrow anyway.

>>51347467
It's a shame, I love that style of deployment most of the time.

>>51347483
>4' is still too narrow anyway
Good luck reaching across the table

>>51347391
May i please have something to rip and tear?
>'no'
May i PLEASE have something to rip and tear?
>'no'

>>51347511
>leaning across the table instead of just walking around it

Most 40k players are so fat their gut would knock everything off their deployment zone reaching over even a standard sized table to the midfield 2" away.

>>51345500
What the crap? That just looks like an Incubi and Lhamean conversion to me. The avatar of Ynnead doesn't even look like an avatar, it looks like a small Slaaneshi minion. This sucks.

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>>51347531
>carcharodons are too poor for actual maintenance so they just fill their dreadnought hangars with water and let it freeze
>carcharodons visit the room and meditate in the melted water in front of the contemptors whenever they need to be comforted

SPACE SHARKS ARE SO MOE I'M GONNA DIE

>>51347457
>>51347483
>>51347511
>not playing 4x4 ZM or 6x6 regular

RECTANGLEFAGS BTFO

>>51347569
I dont get it?

>>51347282
>volkite calivers in the tactical squads
>apothecaries regularly participating in battles
>Red Brethren tactical terminators instead of LC

Book confirmed noncanon, just move along and follow the codex.

Is there any kind of group Discord or something similar for the 40k general?

>>51347569
I dont think we are referring to the same Spongebob episode.

why is 1850 the standard and not 1750 or 2000? such an oddly specific number, what do the extra 100 points do for you?

>>51347431
Literally just use power axes rules you Mongoloid.

>>51347614
I've seen discord emerge from other generals. It's the same thing every time. They always end up failing, causing drama, and splitting communities.

>>51347621

It is an old throwback to the RTT days when (at least in the US) the points standard was 1850. Who knows why GW picked it then but that's the bulk of the reason.

I generally support moving to a lower point level (really anywhere between 1750 and 1500) but as long as ITC runs 1850 it is going to continue to dictate many folks local scenes.

>>51347147
“Throughout the exchange, Te Kahurangi could sense Akia brooding. The Company Master had lately reached his full maturity as leader of the Third through the august title of Reaper Prime, but with experience had come a bloodthirsty edge that left the Chief Librarian in no doubt as to his particular genetic heritage. The suggestion”

Excerpt From: MacNiven, Robbie. “The Reaping Time.” iBooks

>>51347621
>why is 1850

Standard used to be 2500 and 2000 in the USA. In 6E, 2000 introduced double force org, so to combat this, the standard became 1999+1. People realized how retarded this was, so after a couple months into 6E they went down to 1850, which was closer to 2000 so it allows people to use all their toys without dropping to 1500, which is what the game SHOULD be played at, and gives 100 more points to work with than 1750, the actual midway point between 1500 and 2000.

For years, the UK, EU, and AU used 1750 instead of 1850 because they weren't fucking retards like us in the USA.

Recently, a vote to lower the game to 1650 (why not 1500? fucking idiots) in the ITC, which is now the global leader for 40K GT circuits, but everyone refused because they wanted to keep bringing all their OP shit at 1850.

>>51347586
>6x6
there is such a thing as too thicc

>>51347670

The book isn't canon. They use 30k gear in 40k, for god's sake. This alone means it's wrong, let alone whatever other drivel they put in it.

>>51347670

WE's rage is from the nails, not heritage. That is referring to the Ash Blindness found in Terran Xeric tribes, who made up the Terran Raven Guard legions. Read Horus Heresy Book 3 Raven Guard section to find out more.

What's all this with Aeldari? Are the Eldar being renamed like the dwarves and the elves did in FB?

>>51347609
>LC
What does this stand for?

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>>51347690

>>51347678
Wait, so would points level should my group be aiming for? We just want to enjoy ourselves, not be a bunch of WAAC fags.

>>51347706
Yuuuuuup.

>>51347678
1750 and 1850 started all the way back in third edition, man. 1850 is what the americans used for most of their grand tournaments. 1750 is what the rest of the world used.

Seeing 1500 come back as a regular tournament point level like it used to be would be pretty great, though. Makes for quicker rounds.

>>51347690
30k warhead like jet bikes (sammael)?
Or like mark 3 and 4 plate which a certain dark angels successor does?
Their fluff suggests they are cunts who aren't that aggressive in terms of fighting wars so naturally they don't have massive attrition of materiel

Wait, I thought Ynnead wasfucked in the awakening ritual and turned into the god equivalent of a retard baby. So there was like one avatar running around, and that was it. Not that the Eldar were able to respawn once more?

>>51347678
>Recently, a vote to lower the game to 1650 (why not 1500? fucking idiots) in the ITC, which is now the global leader for 40K GT circuits, but everyone refused because they wanted to keep bringing all their OP shit at 1850.
well, War Convocation is going to stop that ever happening because of the baseline amount of points that you need to run it and the amount of people's Convos which would be nullified were it changed.

>>51347740
I like 1500.

>>51347708

Lightning Claws

So far the rules and fluff for Red Brethren say they always use Lightning Claws, but this might have just been Tyberos's squad only and not every Red Brethren is melee. They do have shooting Terminators so if all Terminators are Red Brethren then this is definitely the case, but the rules don't allow for shooting Red Brethren and the fluff never mentioned shooting Red Brethren.

>>51347740
500, 750, 1000, 1500, 1850, 2000

Provided you're all of a similar mindset, the actual points level isn't super important. It's what you take that determines if you're just a bunch of dudes or a den of WAAC faggots.

>>51347740

1500 for your normal games. 1850-200 for large games. 2250 and 2500 is stupid might as well play 3000 Apocalypse.

Fast games play 1250. Small games for beginners play 750 or 1000. Anything below 750 is Combat Patrol/Kill Team.

>>51347621
I'm pretty sure GW is trying to inflate the point cost of normal games to around 2500-3000 like with 30k. Looking at the new formations most of them are only available to be used at that points level so I wouldnt be surprised if that becomes more common in the future.

>>51347759
A) this is that avatar
B) most of Ynnead went back to sleep not retarded
C) it's looking like this avatar has events of cegorach so it might be able to steal souls from slaanesh and then allow them to be reborn maybe by holding them in itself or sending into the mega infinity circuit

>>51347751
>>51347777
>1500

You know everyone here likes 1500 points but 1500 these days is not the same as 1500 back in the old days. Like 3E 1500 was literally 1 Predator 1 Razorback and like 30 infantry.

Are we talking 7E 1500 or old school 1500?

>>51347678

Little bit of incorrect history there regarding 1850. 1750 was the UK RTT standard and 1850 was the US back when RTTs existed. A few tournaments did do the 1999+1 point thing in 6th but most major events were still 1500-1850 during that time frame. 1850 did not become the new 'normal' until the ITC gained popularity.

>>51347777

Minimum costs War Convo still fits in 1500 you just get less ally options but it is still a potent list. The only fear I have of moving to 1500 is it makes Eldar even better because they don't need 350 extra points to be broken.

>>51347753
No, like Volkite. Colkite does not exist in 40k outside of the weapons the Tech-Priests Dominus use and only then that's because GW fucked up on them too.

>Sammael
Oh you mean the last remaining jetbike in the whole Imperium? It's not like they're handign them out to every member of the Ravenwing.
>mk3 and 4 plate
Not 30k exclusive.

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>>51347690
>Mfw fires of Cyraxus gives loyalists HH era equipment back
>mfw we get phosphex back
>mfw traitors will not be given anything even if a new expansion is released for them
Take that traitors

>>51347753
>Their fluff suggests they are cunts who aren't that aggressive in terms of fighting wars so naturally they don't have massive attrition of materiel
>mfw they have massive attrition anyway because they're hobos literally living off scraps and ork-level patchwork repairs

Lol Carcharapoors

>>51347778
Thanks anon

>>51347801
I don't like those matches at all personally apart from once in a blue moon, you lose some finer details when a tac squad or equivalent can be wiped out from one of the other dude's 5 riptides in a single turn, and they also take longer than my attention span has to spare

on the other hand, it's just plain awesome to see two massive armies getting stuck in from time to time

>>51347824
>Volkite does not exist in 40k outside of the weapons the Tech-Priests Dominus use and only then that's because GW fucked up on them too.

NOT ANYMORE

>>51347826
>mfw we get phosphex back
DELET THIS REEEE

>>51347801

Doubtful - the big formations are interesting but most people have a hard time finishing 1850 in a reasonable time frame so I highly doubt you'll see the points standard go up rather than down. 30k handles the heavier points load due to the fact that units are often far more expensive, there are less 'free point' options, and some of your large units are so killy that the table gets cleaned up very quickly.

>>51347826
>yfw those options are only for AdMech and Chapter Tactics: Minotaurs, and Chapter Tactics: Red Scorpions

>>51347850

Problem,Loyalist?DeathGuard.jpg

People always complain about how "marines" get way too much shit but I just want to point out that for both Fall of Cadia 1 and Fall of Cadia 2, none of the new amazing models are actually marines.

Yeah I can use the imperial Triumvirate but they're not actually marines.

But of course now I'm going to get marine-haters yelling at me for pointing out logic and facts.

>>51347861
That would be better because that will spawn faggots that will say the play those chapters because they like them and not because they are waacfag and will be despised even by other marine players.

>>51347826
Phosphex was mentioned specifically
The tech priest who found the stc for it destroyed it because it was chaos tainted (which phosphex itself probably was in the first place) and was declared heretic

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So wait, how many gods have been created, now?

>>51347906
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Veriliad

>>51347896
>zero Red Scorpions players except for FW themselves up until 6E
>suddenly, "I've always played Red Scorpions/Iron Hands, guys, it has nothing to do with the FnP"

>>51347824
BL and FW actively work together in an effort to synchronize fluff. GW on the other hand does whatever the fuck they feel like. If BL says some faggot is using volkite in 40k then they probably got at least a grudging ok from FW.

>>51345684

If that's Ynead, then what the heck is growing in Iyanden's Infinity Circuit then?

Their head Farseer insisted that it was Ynead.

>>51347457
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>>51347480
>>51347483
>>51347586

8'x4' is master race for table size because then you can have two 4'x4' games going on at once

>>51347978
That is Ynnead, jesus, read, im a fucking taufag and this is plain to see

>Shard of c'tan is not a c'tan
>Avatar of Khaine is not actually khaine
>Therefore avatars of Ynnead can still represent it, without being it

>>51347678
EU plays 1500 points

>>51347844
>I don't like those matches at all personally apart from once in a blue moon
I feel the same. It just a trend I'm noticing with the expensive centrepiece models and formations that cost 1500-2000 points minimum. Even if they are just attempting to make that points range more acceptable I'd be fine with it, because as you say large games can be quite epic and for older players with 5000 points or more of models its not unreasonable to be able to feild armies of this size.

>>51347857
>but most people have a hard time finishing 1850 in a reasonable time frame
Yeah sort of. Mind you that can be enjoyable it its own way. Dont forget how casual GW think about it ruleset as well. They dont care about tournament timelimits or other restraints.

Saying all this however im not sold on the idea its just something I've thought after seeing some of the truly bizarre formations lately. TSons for example would be pretty good at higher points cost simple because they could fill out their formations and get their bonuses that just arnt possible at 1500 points. AdMech too have some unique formations that need 2000 points without upgrades.

>>51347978
All the circuits are connected as explained in Death Masque

>>51347894
>SoB
>not basically Marines

>>51347740
whatever point level you guys want to play.

1500 is good, but read >>51347783 because he's right

you might also consider building up to 3000 points, so you can do things like 2v1 where the 1 player uses 3000 points and fights two opponents who both bring 1500 points.

>>51347791
>3000 Apocalypse.
in the apocalypse rulebook it specifically says not to use point costs or lists, you just bring whatever toys you want

>Oh no, I can't fit in GW's retarded formations unless we play terrible, high point value games!

That's an extra reason not to play those large games, not justification for playing them.

>>51348074
Post the page where it says this.

>>51348042
the 1500 points and more formations might as well be apocalypse only

>>51348101
But they're not which I think is a deliberate design choice by GW to bump up the point limit of games for older players.

>Look buy $400 more and you can field this super formation!

It sounds exactly like GW right?

So with the whole Ynnead thing, are the Aeldari Noir going to let all their pets come out, or what? I dont know much about DAEldar but im a big fan of the multiple species thing, snakemen and the big baboon looking guys

>>51348074
The 4th edition Apocalypse book explicitly requires 3k+ points to use.

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I want to build my space marines as salamanders.

Should I just leave special weapon marines hands empty and leave the heavy weapon arms off until I get magnets and bits for Multi-melta?

Or should I just build them with missile and melta/flamers and buy more marines or devastators later.

My autism is preventing me from building the old megaforce I bought.

Pic related whats inside. I think it was from late 2000s before new marine sprues. Weapons are still separate from hands.

>>51345684
Huh, that's that guy who was with the Inquisitor, Celestine, and all the Black Templars.

That feeling when playing a 2k point game as Tau earlier against harlequins. I bring in a heavy retribution formation with 3 riptides as well. I mob the floor with this guys face.

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>>51347690
They are in cryosleep for hundreds, if no thousands of years, at a time while they cross the void. Its pretty easy to have ancient tech when you dont use it frequently.

They may be 10k terran years old, but actual 'waking' and 'in-use' time might be only a couple hundred years.

>>51346893
They're siblings.

>>51348170

Basic marines aren't worth magnetizing. If you know you want MM heavy weapons then don't build the heavy weapon marine until you have the MM. I wouldn't run MLs on Salamanders.

>>51348200
nice.meme

>>51347621
Tourney fags
They are always to blame when the game goes to shit.
Their netlists used 1850, people copied them, people didn't know how to change them, requested 1850 games.
Do this enough, people play 1850 as standard.

Exhibits A and B:
>>51347813
>1850 did not become the new 'normal' until the ITC gained popularity.

>>51347678
>a vote to lower the game to 1650 (why not 1500? fucking idiots) in the ITC, which is now the global leader for 40K GT circuits, but everyone refused because they wanted to keep bringing all their OP shit at 1850.

Tourney fags are a cancer on the game.

>>51347147
Turns out they really are pure (Void-Afflicted) RG.I thought theyd be a mix.

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Zhadsnark makes bikes into Troops. Feedback appreciated.

>>51348170
Might be better to wait if you really want multimeltas.

>>51346244
Photoshop ruins cosplay. Everyone can do photoshop today. Doing good cosplay and good camera work is turning into a dead art.

>>51348212
ML?

>>51348227

>Tourneyfags are a cancer on the game

Not any more so than people who shit on people playing the way they want to. Nerd tribalism is terrible and even worse when its internal to a specific aspect of nerdom.

a couple threads ago someone mentioned that the inquisition could very well resurrect the emperor

why wouldn't they do it?

>>51348215
It may be meme but it really happened and it felt great doing it. I really do need to paint my riptides

>>51348252

MISSILE LAWNCHAIR

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>>51348211
hot

>>51347609
Thats just like, your opinion man

>>51348260

Get out of here with your anti-nerd-tribalism tribalism, you anti-nerd-tribalism tribalist.

>try Wrathful Crusade in 1500 point game vs 2x 750 points, 1 Necron, 1 Imperial Fists
>Necron player decides not to use minimum-size Decurion to give me a "fair chance" to testing the Formation
>Absolutely shove their shit back in with Celestine and Depp Striking out the ass

Jesus, this formation is actually pretty damn decent. Never thought how bonkers Zealot on EVERYTHING as well as Crusader and re-rollable charges would be. If only I could get to Zealot in games smaller than 1300 points.

>>51348275
>following the codex is an opinion

YOUR DAYS AS A NOVICE ARE BEHIND YOU, LEANDROS!

>>51348283

I would use it but I prefer the Objective Secured of the Demi-Company or CAD which is what my army is most of the time. My army already has a bit of a boost for assault so I don't know if trading ObjSec is worth it for even bigger boosts.

>>51347609

4 Terminators get raped by 5 Warp Talons in that book.

>>51348237
No antitank?

Rokkit launchas will always snap shot if paired with the Killkannon, not a great loss with BS2 but something to bear in mind

Why bother with a BW if it has no passengers, also deffrolla is shit now.

Consider bumping the dakkajets up to a third Supashoota, also if you take three, take their formation.

>>51348292
>implies im not following the codex and its bad
>quote the one ultramarine that see the codex as guidelines rather than dogma with one of actual quotes stating so
I dont know where youre going with this

>>51348303
Eh, managed to kill Lysander in a squad of Assault Termies with my Captain in an Assault Squad with only 2 losses because of it and managed to just beat everything off the objectives if there was any combat on them.

Hell, Celestine alone took out a Cryptek, his Overlord and half a unit of Wraiths. Never thought she'd be as cheese as everyone thinks she is, but by the Emperor she is. My two opponents kept fighting over weather to try and focus her down to keep her in check or to try running like a bitch whenever I tagged out of combat with Hit & Run.

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>>51348335
he's just a bloody heretic

ignore him

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>>51348089
>>51348165
page 18 of the apocalypse book

>>51348385

Celestine can be taken without the detachment

>>51348395
>Points can only be seen as a rough guide in Apocalypse; IT HELPS IF EACH PLAYER HAS AN IDEA OF HOW MANY POINTS THEY ARE BRINGING

>>51348395

Half the shit you're highlighting is saying that points are part of Apocalypse. You don't need to use them but your statement of "NEVER USE POINTS IN APOCALYPSE" is wrong.

And 99.9% of the time, Apocalypse games feature points in their battle report titles, so at least people know the scale of the game.

>>51348426
Celestine + possible
Furious Charge + Zealot is a serious bonus as well though.

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>>51345546
Just like most real-life religions, while there is a singular over-arching doctrine and symbolic concept, there is a lot of personal variation (or in the real-world case, regional) depending on where they are, with all of them being generally acceptable.

>>51348160
Because GW needs more time to make all sorts of new alien races with OP weapons and stats first.

>Codex Aeldari Empire soon.

>Honor Guard
>finest warriors in the chapter, equipped and trained to be their Chapter Master's personal unit in close combat
>standard WS 4

Ugh.

>>51348193
Yes

>>51348262
They're not sure it will work and even if it does a lot of bad shit will happen

>>51348262

Well, given what they've allowed the Imperium to become, it may bode poorly for Mankind should their "God" be displeased with them.

>Celestine can give blessings to non-vehicle imperial LOWs.
>Only non-vehicle LOW is Calgar.

What a waste.

If I fielded shit like a Guardian Battlehost, and Aspect hosts, with minimun Wraith/Scatbikes, will people still hate me?

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1107654

WHAT THE FUCK WHO COULD MAKE THIS WELL

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>>51348572

>>51348572
Don't forget Draigo

Are there ways of modeling Eldar with two pistols? One in each hand?

I think its really neat that all of these factions are getting all of these cool new things but where is my Tau love? cmon, I know the Tau aren't really anything as far as lore goes but you gotta get them involved some way just like the necrons. Give the best faction more love GW!

>>51348574

Probably, people will hate you for playing Eldar at any point. That's why I just play with what I want and say fuck it. If you think my army is broken and OP then I might as well at least take the units I like and fit my fluff in my head.

>>51348609

Pose looks a lot worse than the actual Lucius Warhound.

>>51348574
Unless it's Wraithblades or Lords, yes.

Just use a CAD. Less annoying.

>>51348447
>>51348437
it flat out says "don't do points, don't write up an army list"

but if you want to do needless math for fun be my guest

>>51348572
>Calgar
>Draigo
>Dante
>Gabriel Seth(?)
>Azrael

Been working on my first pile of things ever, and how do people deal with shit being so small?

I thought something on a guys forehead was a manufacturing error, and then realised it was supposed to be painted.

>>51348640
>tfw German

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>new novel for Carcharodons
>forge world doesn't even acknowledge it and maybe re-release Carcharodons transfer sheets
a-at least I can buy 3d printed pauldrons

>>51345684

I'm calling it now. All Eldar are getting rolled into one faction.

Look at his helmet.

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>>51348200
That feeling when I killed six riptides with a single shield and axe dreadnought because the idiot thought "lol what can a single foot slogging dread do" and proceed to ignore it until it was too late

>>51348633
That's what I think. I love the look of Wraithguard, and I realise they're weapons are fucking amazing, but at the end of the day they /are/ 3 up save and one wound, so just need a good enough amount of <AP3 attacks

>>51348645
Fat bastard americunt detected

>>51348237
>150 points for five 6+ save bikers
>mfw space marine bikes are cheaper

am I missing something here or are orks really just this terrible

>>51348624
Tau are an irrelevant side faction in the fluff. MUH POTENTIAL and PLOT ARMOUR is irrelevant when their empire is a spec on the map.

In the end I expect you'll get a gathering storm book but it will be an irrelevant side note compared to the other events going on.

>>51348667
Nah, fat bastard who lost a war to emus

>>51348667
are you ok friend? you seem agitated

>>51348664
Just don't give them the flamers, don't even try to put them in Raiders and don't put a WWP DE HQ with them. Minimize the number of squads you put in Serpents. Probably no more than one.

There, fairer Wraithguard.

>>51347947

The same thing happened with TL and DG

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>>51348659
>tfw start Carcharodons right at the tail end of Badab War/5E and manage to buy the decals as soon as they go out of print
>tfw a bunch of other people and myself bug FW enough so that they bring the transfers back for one more run and snag a second sheet

Apparently they only sell decals that are popular, because they lose money due to how expensive it is to print them. They've discontinued quite a lot of 40K sheets and only seem to stock Red Scorpions and 30K now.

>>51348680

The 150 points includes the sergeant's wargear.

>>51348724
jsut order them from fallout hobbies or the like. bolter and chainsword has a library you can choose from

>>51348707
Are you allowed to embark wraithguards in raiders first turn?

>>51348724
It fucking sucks because I actually like applying transfers a bit. I guess the 3d printed ones I found would work, they're the embossed chapter emblem style

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Looking to play the following army in a few upcoming events - how does it stack up?

is it me or does nobody ever play the centurions? I mean they seem really cool and powerful but I never see them played anywhere. Is there just better ways to spend the points or are they very much a specialty basis type of unit?

>>51348755
Turn 1 yes, but not before the game anymore
It's still a dickass way of using them since their only weakness is a lack of mobility.

>>51348529
>terminators
>veterans
>used to be WS/BS/I 5
>now reduced to being just +1A off of the base marine
It's not even like they'd be overpowered with it.

>>51348681
Not him, but I don't really understand why they're so excluded from the main events. Yeah, they're relatively small and isolated, but so are other factions and they get the spotlight all the time.

Nearly 100% of Tau fluff has them fighting irrelevant backwater forces that just lost half their shit in an arbitrary warp storm. I think the only faction the Tau have genuinely fought were a single Tyranid hive.

I don't even want Tau to win, I just want them involved. Isn't it heavily implied that they're either agents of the Eldar or Necron? It wouldn't be hard to get them reasonably put into the fight.

>>51348775
you'll probably want haywire on the scourges instead of blasters

>>51348781
Holy fuck. That's the cheesiest thing I've ever heard

Apparently, I missed some shit in the past 24hrs. What the fuck is going on with eldar now? Are they getting merged? Do I have to burn my dark eldar now to avoid being associated with craftworlder faggots?

>>51348781

Yeah - I mean how dare you use the tools you have at your disposal to minimize your weaknesses.

Does it still cost1500 dollars to build a 2k army? This anon says fuck that.

>>51348789
But anon, 2+ armor is a huge game changer! It really is!

At least assault Termies should also be able to immediately charge after Deep Striking in to not just teleport down, scatter god knows where and then try to chase after their actual target.

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>>51346859
Whatever you're thinking of, that's someone else unless some new fluff has come about (in which case: source me, please), because we see Arhra in 842.M41 during the Dysjunction and he doesn't have a corporeal form (or he's Drazhar).

Here's what we actually know of Arhra as of 842.M41: In a warp-influenced part of the webway, Arhra (or a shade of Arhra) led the orphaned exodite later named Morr to the main Incubus shrine hidden in the webway and vanished (he also refuses to speak a la "He told me without words..."). Arhra is described in the exact same way Drazhar is (exceptionally tall for an eldar, wearing ornate and ancient incubus armor with a "many-bladed helm"). The man who would become Drazhar was one of Arhra's terrified disciples who confronted and slew Arhra after Arhra fell to chaos "and preserved his spirit." At several instances in the webway and at the Shrine of Arhra, a harlequin could sense a hidden presence he attributed to Arhra - Drazhar was present at the shrine at this time. Also, "Some say [Drazhar] is Arhra reborn and yet he slays those who attempt to venerate him" - which is to say, the in-canon counter-argument for Drazhar being Arhra is that he slays anyone who worships him as such.

Now for speculation. Since the beginning, it has been tradition for incubi to slay their superior and claim their armor, and that that determines the hierarchy. When the mortal who would become Drazhar slew Arhra, it is entirely likely that he took up Arhra's phoenix lord armor for himself (or if another disciple did, that Dhrazhar eventually slew him and claimed it in the many years before his sudden reappearance). This is supported by Drazhar, despite embodying the incubus ideals entirely, not taking up the Hierarch position after slaying them - because he holds the position even higher than that.

Regardless of if Drazhar is the phoenix lord or not, I find it undeniable he's wearing Arhra's phoenix lord armor.

>>51348826
Just some universal HQs like Imperial got.

>>51348781
You can basically the same thing with wave serpents anyway.

>>51348824
It's not as bad as attaching a WWP Archon. He lets them deep strike with no scatter to erase a unit of your choice the turn they come in. Bonus points for taking the fucking flamers to much any infantry unit in the game.

>>51348829
Wraithguard are an obnoxiously powerful unit already, fag. Just because you can WAAC the shit out of them doesn't mean you should.

>>51348789
Back when? Third edition?

>>51348826

No one knows other than they're being featured in the next Gathering Storm campaign thing - the sundering of Biel-tan and they're getting some new models associated with Ynnead. Stop being an over-reacting faggot.

>>51348815

Probably true, I always worry about taking Haywire then catching 3 draws of no armor though.

>>51348841

No.

>>51348854

Raider is better because you can scythe out of the side without disembarking.

>>51348829
No matter what us Eldar players use, others will call us cheese and refuse to play us instead of trying to counter us.

>>51348859

They have a 3+ save and 1 wound - they're less durable than Nurgle bikers. Putting them in a transport I don't think counts as WAAC. If anything running a WWP with them might verge into that territory.

>>51347670
WE got angry all the time because of the nails. Terran RG were just bloodthirsty dicks

>>51348873
It's not like not having to disembark helps that much as the raider isn't going to stick around very long.

>>51348841
Play thousand sons

>>51348829
>less weaknesses and more tools than any other opponent
>HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO UTILIZE THEM

>>51348916

You can jink in a raider and still fire the D-scythes and end up with a 3+ save on the raider.

>>51348912
Nurgle Bikers don't have D-guns.

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Ah... Where is our Quarry? I long for the hunt!

>>51348681
Our Ascendance is coming. A big plot point GW has been cramming down Tau fans throats has been the increase in size of the Tau Empire into a full fledged fledged Empire as well as the civil war between FSE and TE. How will the tau become a major player. Science the shit out of this that's how. I suspect the next plot will be us getting FTL that is faster and safer than warp travel but probably not quite as fast the the webway.

With FTL, more auxiliaries, and the apparent high as fuck Tau birthrate your looking at one super crusade coming up.

Or we could just get regular warp travel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ixdHQj3O4

>>51348874
>counter

The only way to counter the best army in the game is to play another best army in the game. Or GSC.

So in order to play you and your bullshit, I should buy a whole new army I don't like? How about I just not play your faggot ass instead and play one of the many non-faggots at the store.

>>51348660
It looks like a face from the Avatar of Khane what about it?

>>51348814
>Not him, but I don't really understand why they're so excluded from the main events.
Because they're an irrelevant side faction as I said Anon. GW's design was that they were originally supposed to represent the same factions that are constantly at the edge of Imperial space causing the Imperium trouble. Death by a 1000 cuts and all that. So when they do 'End Times' shitstorm events they're a non-factor because they're just over there existing because noones bothered to remove tau yet as too much other important shit is going on.

>Isn't it heavily implied that they're either agents of the Eldar or Necron?
It used to be, not so much anymore. And besides if that happened I cant imagine how people would react. Noone would be happy with that imo.

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>>51348936

> Teleports behind you with a power-sword.

Nottin' peysonal xenos.

>>51348933
It's still going to die, no one's going to let D guard just stick around.

>>51348913
>Terran RG were just bloodthirsty dicks

Hey man they were just following orders!

>"Fourteenth Company, your primary objective is to be total dicks. Dismissed!"

>>51348870
2e. 3e is when all marines got normalized to WS/BS/I 4.

>>51348936
That's some good progress Anon.
Am I the only one who really liked the lines but not the delivery? Of the DE in Soulstorm, I mean.

>>51348965
How could anyone tell? There were never any survivors

>>51348853

So universal HQs and combined lists like FoC that will likely allow CWE to cheese even harder? Got it.

>>51348873
>overreacting
Vect is now a CWE character and I'm overreacting? Ok champ.

>>51348935

True but they are much more mobile and actually more durable. My point is that they're not actually that hard to counter - hell a few plasma guns or grav guns does the job just fine. Without a transport they'll likely never do anything.

>>51348942

This is why I love my store. Everyone players everyone, no one bitches, everyone endeavors to be better. We don't have any sour asses who won't play games and we have a great mix of armies.

>>51348841
play deathguard, for $100 you can get the start collecting box and then kit them out to 2000 points

>>51348971
I think they were the worst, but the most memorial to me, so in the end I loved them.
>My Reeevur JetBIKE is pure pain, and pure speed...

>>51348989

Where does it say Vect is a CWE character? We literally know nothing of any of the three characters. Again you're overreacting - there is little more than wild speculation currently.

>>51349000
*deathwatch

goddamn there's too much death

deathwatch, deathwing, deathguard (why do I play all three of these armies)

>>51348944

Nearly every Dark Eldar helmet comes with those sunken cheeks.

This idea of Ynnead uniting all Eldar probably also includes the Dark varieties.

>>51348996
>This is why I love my store. I'm the only asshole there and everyone is too nice to shun me.
>you should be nice to me just like everyone else is, if you don't you're a sour ass and I'm going to tell my mom

Yeah I'd like that store if I was a cunt too.

>>51349015
Don't forget
>Heavy armor, heavy lances
Or really any of that guy's lines. Shit sounded like a C&C unit, not 40k or DE. Not that that's a bad thing

>>51347906
He didn't destroy it because it was Chaos corrupted, he destroyed it simply because he thought it was so inhumane that no one should have it. Which is why he was killed with some of the last remaining phosphex.

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>>51349027
you forgot death cults and death spinners

>>51349045

No we just have a store full of adults who don't wrap up their individual worth in how good they are at army men. Its amazing how much better the hobby is when everyone keeps a solid perspective that ultimately you're playing with toy soldiers. No one pitches a shit fit when their army men are worse than someone else's.

>>51348938
>Our Ascendance is coming. A big plot point GW has been cramming down Tau fans throats has been the increase in size of the Tau Empire into a full fledged fledged Empire
I thought I covered that plot point with MUH POTENTIAL. Even if the Tau Empire doubled in size it would still be smaller then most Ork Empires. Also it can only spread out away from Ultramar/Necron Empire who's name I cant remember right now.

I understand that people are drawn to Tau as a faction and want them to be relevant, but they simply are not when it comes to galaxy spanning events. You can have any of the other factions fighting almost anywhere in the galaxy. Tau can only be in their small sub section of ultima segmentum.

>>51349018

The whole avatar if Ynnead shit.

Also >>51349035 is all over the place.

>>51348959
What makes a faction relevant?
Is it how much they threaten the Imperium? Because they have a nearly 100% winrate against them.
Is it how big and threatening they are? Because the Tau have been expanding uninterrupted and converting members of the Imperium hand over fist. Their numbers don't match Chaos, but their efficiency sure does.
I don't even have to mention how their technology is objectively better, that being their gimmick and all.

I can't think of a legitimate reason why they're excluded. They have the presence, they have the motive, they have the technology.

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>>51349090
And the Death Korps of Krieg.

>>51348996
>Without a transport they'll likely never do anything.
Well that would be my point my dude. Their weakness is a short range on their guns and a small body count, and both of these problems are solved by putting them in a transport.

The flamers are fucking retarded though. Nobody should be able to inflict that many cover-ignoring, FNP ignoring D hits that also extend to Wall of Death.

>>51349122
nobody plays DKoK

>>51349117

And? None of that is confirmed. Death Masque where the story arc started never even talks about Dark Eldar for example. I'd take a deep breath and calm down a bit. If they do unite the armies then feel free to continue your reaction (as weird as it is, I mean you play Space Elves, just because you play the darker version doesn't make you any less of a fag).

>>51349106
The fall of Ultramar would get every 40k fan to take the Tau seriously. :) I can imagine the tears.

>>51349160

Right so - shouldn't I as a good general put them in a transport? How does doing a smart thing make me a WAAC fag? We're literally to the point of saying 'making sound choices' is the same as 'win at all costs'.

>>51349196
>implying assmad faggots wouldn't complain about Tau plot armor developing to a point where they could even beat Ultrasmurfs

>>51349120
>I can't think of a legitimate reason why they're excluded.
See >>51349106

They are too small and too focused Anon. There is no reason why Tau would be fighting anywhere but in/near the Tau Empire. This excludes them from any relevant 'End Times' event. There will be no Tau at Cadia, there will be no Tau at Octuris, there will be no Tau at Terra or Mars or anywhere but Tau space.

I said they will get a book but it'll be irrelevant on a galactic scale because the Tau are irrelevant on a galactic scale. Thats just a fact.

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>>51349175
I have a buddy who is certainly trying to, bless his soul.

>>51349221
Becuase they are already unreasonably powerful. They don't NEED their weakness patched. Throw in some units for them to synergize with and they will perform well enough.

>why wouldn't I optimize my list?
That's what it is you're saying here. Well, Riptides are more effective than Crisis suits. Why wouldn't I just take more Riptides in my list? Oh right, because I'd be a WAACunt for spamming Riptides.

>>51349160
D-scythes don't ignore cover tho

>>51349196
>The fall of Ultramar would get every 40k fan to take the Tau seriously. :)
Very, very unlikely Anon. Its more likely that it Tau vs Cron. Nids will probably get the orc book so I imagine it'll be Tau vs the Stormlord.

>>51349237
I have full respect for anyone trying to get into a FW army that isn't drop troops

>>51349276
They are flame template weapons. Flame templates always ignore cover.

>>51349187

Lady Malys is confirmed, though.

Also, you can't say that Deldar and Craftworld are anywhere near the same level of faggotry.

>>51349301
D-Scythes don't have normal flamer rules. They don't ignore cover

>>51349315
All template weapons ignore cover.

>>51349315
Are you retarded?
>Template weapons have the Ignores Cover, Wall of Death and No Escape special rules.
From the rulebook. Show me where in the Aeldari codex it says D-Scythes (a weapon with range:template) don't follow these rules?

>>51349274

So in effect you want your opponent to take things you have easy counters to. As long as you can easily counter their selection their list is not a WAAC list but when they take something that's difficult for you to deal with its a WAAC list.

>>51349315

All TEMPLATE range weapons ignore cover.