Was this guy anyone else's favorite Dawn of War character?

>>51344452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_vcm7eKIc

I would say this conversation planted him as a top tier Blood Raven character

>>51344452
But he ended up in chaos didn't he?

>>51345122

Avitus

>>51345124
Ah right, sorry, my mistake

>>51345136

Not really your fault since relic never really helps us with this shit

We dont even know if Thaddeus,Tarkus,Thule,Hailgel, and Cyrus are in DoW3

>>51344452
>seeing a space marine who was young and not a grizzled veteran of centuries of battle
Why the fuck is he a squadleader then?
I get that Closecombat > young hothead is a popular trope, but still.

>>51345251

He was nearing 100 if I recall and he recently became one

>>51344452
I really liked both Tau charecters.

>>51345267
Then he should have his precious feels ironed out by then.

If they needed some guy still finding his place, they should have had the scout sarge croak in the beginning and the most senior scout step up.

>>51345251
Kyras wanted that to create another Boreale with Hairgel and Thaddeus. It kinda backfired at him.

>>51345406

So did Hairgel and Thaddeus get fucked over? People say they got sent on some crusade

>>51345449
We know that Hairgel became a renegade at Kyras' orders after kicking Ulkair's fat ass. We don't know if he and Thaddeus stayed "pure" enough to go to Angelos without getting BLAMmed.

>>51345449
that was to explain why they fucked off in retribution.
Avitus was also the traitor and therefore dead, which is why he's not in it either.

>>51345251
He'd just been promoted and therefore was a compliment to the force commanders training I guess. According to the book Aramus (vanilla ice guy aka You) is just a sergeant given promotion by Kyras to Commander and most the chapter dislikes the decision.

Aurelia is also the sector the Ravens recruit from so it's understandable to have a good mix of future leaders being advised and mentored by grizzled veterans. Avitus, Thule, Tarkus and Cyrus cover every role that would be needed to be managed the Force Commanders tutoring, but he'd need experience managing new officers and balancing conflict like all shitty leadership programmes involve. Hence if not Thaddeus i'm sure some other hot-head would have been made available.

>>51345688
Hmm, fair enough.
Still feels like a marine should get all of that shit out of his system before even being considered for squad leader though.

>>51345842
Then again, the Blood Ravens were suffering about a lack of men and probably Thaddeus was the less awful choice left. Nobody paid attention to Hairgel becoming Force Commander until he proved his right to lead. Maybe Thaddeus passed a similar process?

>>51345124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBpk8N5Av5k

Still cant believe its Avitus

Alot of the other betrayals like Jonahs or Tarkus were alot better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBpk8N5Av5k

>>51346034
Each of them had a foreshadowing moment in DoW 2. Avitus was pretty clearly a miserable cunt who'd lost all sense of self worth in his.

>>51346034

Avitus was always edgy even more than Cyrus's usual narcissism

for me it was always the tech priest who went traitor because I allowed no corruption. It made sense in a wierd way

>>51346034
Jonah's was really well-made.

>>51346368
I don't feel even the slightest bit of remorse in throwing Avitus to the wolves to avoid fighting that cunt.

>>51346034
If it helps Avitus doesn't really 'Fall'. He just sort of...gives up trying to even care anymore that the universe they live in can be anything else other than a meat grinder. If it's not chaos its nid's or eldar or necrons or something else coming to kill or to be killed. He therefore basically draws the line of trying to save anything cause whats the fucking point? Also as linked earlier he calls hope a weakness to be purged, but sadly at the end it left him with nothing to hold onto once it turned out everyone and everything was an enemy.

I loved Tarkus' fall. Because all the way through the mission he's coaching you and at the end it's a corrupted bolter talking to him.

>>51346368
What makes no sense in the Martellus betrayal arc is that he is the one giving you information on the traitor throuought the campaign just so that he goes "hahaha, it was me all along" in the end. It was pretty goofy.

>>51346597
I believe they really didn't think anyone would be able to mantain everyone pure.

>>51345251
>80 years old.
pretty alright.

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>>51344452

Kaptin Bluddflagg easily.

General Stern and Lord General Castor were badass too. Especially compared to Stubbs and Aleksander, who were both generic sci-fi human commanders.

>>51346034
I prefer jonah as a "traitor".

>>51346433
>>51349867
It was too vanilla for me.

Psycher gets possessed by demons, yup, didn't see that coming.

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>>51344452
>you know what? that deamon princes head would look really nice mounted on my wall...

>>51351360
Can you even do that?

Aren't daemon princes more incorporeal warpstuff than their former physical bodies?

>>51351908
The Grey Knights have a greater daemon imprisoned in it's own skull mounted in their feasting hall kept bound by the chanting of a fuckton of initiates or whatever.

>>51352137
seems kinda annoying to hear during a meal.

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>>51346034
Its weird. I prefer Chaos in most cases, but in DoW, I cant bring myself to go Chaos. Not only because Chaos is easier, but beacause it just feels... wrong?

>>51346034

>Tarkus gives Thaddues orders
>Cyrus acts like the big brother he is and defends little thaddeus from a bad influence

>>51346537
I liked in the Tarkus mission that Cyrus kept his cool all the way, right up until he tried lecturing Thaddeus, whereupon he promptly lost his shit.

>>51352297
>relic makes better characters than GW
>you don't want them to get hurt and fall.
They did the same with company of heroes 1.

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>>51352199
"A toast, dear brothers."
>RAAAAFHGKGHFH
"CHANT LOUDER!"
>OLLLLLM
"Brothers, each and every one of you-"
>OLLLLLLM
>IWILLDEVOURYOURHEARTAAAAAAAGGHH
>OLLLLLM
"were it not for the valor, the courage, and the faith of-"
>GRAAAGGHHHRLLR-
>OLLLLLM
"and thus I commemorate this toast to you-"
>DEATHTOTHECARRIONLOR-"
>OLLLLLLLM
"drink up lads!"

>>51352297
that's because you grew a conscience, and faith in the Emperor too bad you have already been tainted*BLAM*

>>51353654
They don't make better characters, you just happen to interact much more with vidya characters than book characters (who would have thought?). GW can't go in depth with their characters without a full BL book; the DoW II team had 2 games focused on them, and some of these characters have been there for 4 games at least.

>>51346597
It's not that weird. That famous FBI agent, Richard Hanson, was selling secrets to the Russians, and ended up being tasked with finding out who was selling secrets to the Russians.

Basically, the FBI put a spy in charge of finding out who the spy way.

>>51345688
It's also a loading screen tip.
It said that people thought he was too young and disagreed with it, but despite that the player character was persisted with.

>>51353915
>they don't make better characters

>coh1 had Captain taylor, Lt Conti and Joseph schultz.

>despite being in the game for a handful of cutscenes they are well defined and crisply handled.

>fox company is in 3 and a half missions and you see a bunch of paratroopers start off as green boys and end up as tactical commandos.

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>>51344452
I kinda liked Diomedes when he first appeared in Chaos Rising. Not so much in Retribution.

>>51352297
It also helps that to gain taint you have to go out of your way to be a dick.
>go out of my way to be a dick
>davion calls be a spastic and that he is disappointed is me
>choas run aborted ;_;

>>51345179
Am I weird for not wanting any of those characters to have a significant role in DoW3? Considering their rank and the scale of DoW3 it would make more sense for Diomedes and Jonas to appear

>>51356152
Jonah died in 2, i think.

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>>51354876
>get into 40k years ago
>favorite faction Chaos because i'm an edgelord
>slowly get won over by the Imperium
>100% loyalist these last few years (literally reverse corruption)
>decide to do chaos run
>davion says he's dissapoint
>abort immediately
>get good ending
>traitor turns out to be Tarkus, the ONE guy i absolutely didn't want to

>>51356195
Jonah survived and now he is the Chief Librarian in Dawn of War 3.

>>51356332
Well that's nice.

>>51344452
I liked Shas'O Kais, but Thaddeus is top tier. I really do hope we see him again some day.

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I wish winter assault was a bit longer and not a multi-campaign deal. A DoW1-length guard campaign with sturnn and the chaplain would have been choice as fuck.

>>51356439
Sturnn needs to come back, literally the best Imperial Commander of all time.

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This guy deserved an honourable mention. He survived Angel's gate fighting both Eldar and Tyranid he later would stand with the Blood Angels in their desperate attack against the Hive Fleet. He would then continue to fight against the Black Legion incursion and the remnants of the Tyranids. Despite being a grizzled vet he still cared for his men openly calling out Castor and even punching him in front of a Lord Comissar after the Exterminatus on Typhon.

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>>51344452
>while managing to not be obnoxious
Ha-ha.
This guy is literally the worst of all DoW2. Fucking annoying bitch, with a teenage flavour no less. For a fucking space marine sergeant. Disgusting.

Tarkus on the other hand... Who doesn't like Tarkus?

Or this guy. He's a much better character than compulsory betrayer Eliphas. who's voice also started sucking balls.
And then the termie lord ended up being a pushover miniboss. Whelp.

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>>51356624
Whops. Wrong picture.

>>51356597
Yea, Merrick is a legend.
>>51356624
Tarkus is literally the second best Blood Raven, right after Mangelos.
I disagree about Eliphas on all counts.

>>51356659
I would have hated Eliphas if it wasn't for his bullshit skills

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>>51356659
Oh, yeah, and what's about him?
I'm not talking about how he portraited in Retribution, killing everything on his path, pretty much like every other main character. Tho even then he played an easily offended gal, who just dumped another boyfriend(Araghast) cause she tired of him.
And in Chaos Rising he's simply nothing, just looming on the horizon somewhere until it's his turn to get smacked. I didn't even notice him in that last Ulkair mission.
Where's his genius? Where's his oratory? Pfft.
It's a wonder it wasn't him who started jumping in termo-armour.

>>51356519
Yeah, and FFG dared to kill him. And now karma struck back.

>>51352297
>>51356268
Same thing happened to me. The campaign and the characters slowly won me over.

That being said, Kyrus' final speech was a great pitch for Chaos/Khorne in my opinion.

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>>51346034
>>51352297
It's simple, really. It's not about the characters, it's about the performance of chaos.
Incentive.
Everything you can do with chaos trinkets you can do without them just fine and no need to taint yourself.
There's no need to sacrifice purity for the sake of anyone, as it's happens in the lore.
Even when Davian Thule interjects between mission about madness it seems completely out of place, since you didn't even do anything that looks like corruption. You just fought as usual, but with chaos weapons.
Chaos is insidious and uses human weaknesses. This group shows very little worthy of exploiting.
Same as with villains. Galen seems like a stereotypical mad scienties all for nothing.
Otherall, all blame goes to rather primitive plot.
And that's why.

>>51344452
As a person, I really empathised with his humanity. It was only because he was so fucking fragile without Terminator armour that I rarely ever fielded him. Making him go Chaos was the best decision, I fucking steamrolled Araghast, and he was tanky enough to take care of Ulkair together with Tarkus.

I do admit some of his goody two-shoe-ness sucked, though.

>>51356819
>Where's his genius? Where's his oratory?
He failed the Ruinous Powers 3 times and managed to talk his way into getting second chances again and again. That's insane.
>Tho even then he played an easily offended gal, who just dumped another boyfriend(Araghast) cause she tired of him.
Pretty dumb statement, betrayals like that happen in Chaos all the time.

>>51357305
>That's insane.
That's called plot armour, which isn't anything of his own doing. Granted, his first time was good, his other two - he's been dragged as a fanservice.
>Pretty dumb statement
It's pretty fair, since it's exactly how he behaves and talks.
Betrayals like this happen, but for a reason and he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing, only to get stomped ignominously not long afterwards.

>>51357341
>he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing
>taking out the only guy in charge of him and stealing his warband while making a deal with a Greater Daemon that he greatly benefited from is nothing
If he betrayed Araghast just so he could be the boss, it's already a very legit reason. Instead, he betrayed him
>Because Araghast owned his soul
>To be the boss
>to make a deal with Ulkair
I don't understand how you missed this.
>only to get stomped ignominously
He's up against the main characters, no shit he's going to lose. You can shit on Kyras by the same extension. Except Eliphas constantly bounces back from his losses.
>plot armor
Yea, well, a recurring antagonist needs one.

>>51357433
>taking out the only guy in charge of him and stealing his warband while making a deal with a Greater Daemon that he greatly benefited from
So what did he get? Yeah, it's nothing, he's officially being killed 3 times only to get back.
He didn't even had the dignity to escape "back into the shadows, to fight another day".
It may be written in the plot, but it doesn't feels like actually profited, unless you count surviving via plot as profiting.
>no shit he's going to lose. You can shit on Kyras by the same extension
I sure can, as well on Ulkair, but then you can remember that it took heavy assault of the several squads of terminators/specialists to took them down.
Kyros even needs to be shot via orbital strike.
He's eventually defeated, but unknown if killed for good.
With Eliphas, he gets back just BECAUSE.
>a recurring antagonist needs one
Yeah, nah, he needs a good writing, so that he wouldn't need the plot armour to survive.

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>>51345537
>We know that Hairgel became a renegade at Kyras' orders after kicking Ulkair's fat ass.
We also know that Angelos was declared a renegade in the same manner, so if Kyras ordered those other guys to go crusade in the Eye of Terror (even though Angelos is the one who does that, in the Pyrrhic Victory ending), Angelos should have gone too.

Or rather, Angelos should have killed himself, since Kyras had sentenced him to death. And if the Blood Ravens under his direct command were still willing to follow Kyras's orders after finding out he was a heretic, then Gabe should have been as well.

Or maybe Retribution never actually gave any indication of what happened to the missing Blood Ravens apart from Avitus, and all claims otherwise are just memes and misinformation.

>>51357341
>he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing
"Bah! He is greedy and honorless scum. He saw his chance to gain power and he took it."

>only to get stomped ignominously not long afterwards.
"A fitting death for a leader of traitors [who betrayed another leader of traitors]."

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Kayleth best. Blood Ravens were all fairies.

>>51358291
I fucking loved playing Eldar in a campaign. Do we know what the campaign of DoW3 is like?

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>>51358291
The Eldar was pretty fun going through it with as few losses as possible. I did it using almost exclusively the heroes and wraithlords, up until I ran into Kyras and his bullshit amount of health. Ronahn in particular got a lot of tacticool action.

I wasn't a fan of how they shoehorned in those two missions against other Eldar, though. It was like... what's the opposite of plot armour? Where the world shits on characters even if they by all logic should be able to avoid it? 'Cause that's what it was like.

>>51358291
>>51358422
>>51358772

Fuck all space elf faggots

REMOVE ELDAR

CRAFTWORLD EXTERMINATUS BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

>>51358845
Okay, but are you going to contribute to the thread, or just shitpost with stale memes?

>>51357973
Well, when you put it like that, I guess that's fair.
Tho for a favoured of the dark d-gs, he's very lame as a commander unit.

>>51357506
>So what did he get? Yeah, it's nothing
>a warband
>freedom
>OWNERSHIP OF HIS SOUL
Yup, nothing.
>he's officially being killed 3 times only to get back
This is REALLY dumb. You're acting like Eliphas should have known in advance that he was going to lose, and even in that scenario that he should have just accepted his fate and did absolutely nothing to try and change it. I don't understand how you're not getting this. He put himself in a MUCH better position with that betrayal and then lost because the heroes have plot armor.
>He didn't even had the dignity to escape "back into the shadows, to fight another day".
And betray Ulkair? Yea, no. Not to mention, his alliance with Ulkair (which he wisely didn't betray) bore fruit in retribution, where Ulkair joins him. And in the end, he hates Blood Ravens and wanted to kill them after giving himself every advantage and putting them in a very bad spot. He did everything right, just got fucked by plot armor.
>Yeah, nah, he needs a good writing, so that he wouldn't need the plot armour to survive.
EVERYONE worth shit has plot armor, that's a non argument. Eliphas is coming off as a massive threat, extremely cunning, adaptive and resourceful, to be able to cheat damnation so many times. It's good writing in my book. since it's not like he's so cool he just gets back, he's making increasingly riskier alliances and bolder moves to buy himself time. What he pulled with Araghast was nothing short of genius, i can't believe you think he had no reason to betray him.

>>51358880
I am contributing, i just can't stand Eldar. Literally the worst, most insufferable race in the setting.
>Fuck everything up for everyone
>still have the audacity to act like hot shit

>>51345344
Autism is a key criteria to being accepted into the ranks of the space marines. An exended lifespan only means that he gets to stay in his sperger state for a proportionate amount relative to his new lifespan.

>>51354876
>>51356268
>davian cool is such a good character that he burns out heresy in the heart of prospective chaos worshippers.

>>51358291
She is my catty eldar waifu. <3

>>51358953
>This is REALLY dumb. You're acting like Eliphas should have known in advance that he was going to lose, and even in that scenario that he should have just accepted his fate and did absolutely nothing to try and change it. I don't understand how you're not getting this. He put himself in a MUCH better position with that betrayal and then lost because the heroes have plot armor.
First of all, the games doesn't show him trying very hard or at all, only that he's showing off with his betrayal.
Secondly, his position wasn't bad in the least. He was "ONLY" a second-in-command.
Like I said above, it's not that he lost, it's that he lost miserably, without anything to make up for it.
>And betray Ulkair?
No. Tactical retreat to avoid certain death isn't a betrayal as far as I'm concerned. He could've use the retreating mechanic in the final battle and annoy player to no end with hit and run.
>Eliphas is coming off as a massive cheat
And that's it. His extreme cunning, thread, adaptiveness and resourcefulness is only declarations, much like Abaddon's Crimson Path, which is supposed to turn his 10 millenia of failure into da kunnin plan.
At least the Armless guy showing some progress lately.
>What he pulled with Araghast was nothing short of genius
Well, THIS is really retarded.
He did absolutely nothing special. How exactly is betrayal at the last moment is a genius? That's the most banal thing about chaos space marines.
News flash, traitor legions are actually traitors.

Again, all this was portrayed very badly and Eliphas himself is made of lame. He was better of as an Apostle.

>>51359016
I was a loyalist long before Dow2, m8, Cool just made me feel about even doing a Chaos run after i did a full purity one.

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>>51358970
>implying that doesn't apply just as much to humans in 40k
Seriously, humans created three times as many chaos gods, supplied them with the bulk of their elite forces and technology, AND keep fucking things up further with radical inquisitor experiments and Mechanicus expeditions into tomb worlds.

Pic unrelated.

>>51359082
>Secondly, his position wasn't bad in the least. He was "ONLY" a second-in-command.
...are you completely oblivious to the fact that Araghast had ownership of his soul and that Eliphas' entire existence was in the hands of a bloodthirsty madman? And that Eliphas was getting on increasingly thin ice with him? His position was horrible and Araghast was gonna damn him any second. Eliphas, however, had a plan from the beginning, and it bore fruit.
>No. Tactical retreat to avoid certain death isn't a betrayal as far as I'm concerned.
He put all the odds in his favor and then got fucked by plot armor, that's all there is to it.
>le Failbaddon meme XDDDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ9mDo3Ywrw
>He did absolutely nothing special. How exactly is betrayal at the last moment is a genius?
You really have no fucking clue, do you? Eliphas was FUCKED after Dark Crusade, yet he:
>managed to convince a powerful and influential Chaos Lord to take ownership of his soul
>managed to rise up to be his second-in-command
>managed to create a situation where he could betray him with no danger to himself
>managed to effortlessly take over his warband which was no doubt full of aspiring champions wanting to be leaders themselves
and most importantly
>got his soul back
This is an amazing plan that takes both cunning and balls, and Eliphas pulled it off perfectly. Then he put the magpies at a massive disadvantage, corrupted a main character and released a greater daemon. Without plot armor he would have won in this situation 100%. You really should try to actually think about stuff rather then just want everything literally spelled out for you.

>>51359527
>humans created three times as many chaos gods
Right, cause they're the oldest race in the setting and the gods feed only off them- oh wait!
>supplied them with the bulk of their elite forces and technology
After Eldar gave them access to the Materium.
>AND keep fucking things up further with radical inquisitor experiments and Mechanicus expeditions into tomb worlds
Literally a drop in the ocean that is the Eldar fuckup. Seriously, creating a Chaos God and the Eye of Terror? And then still acting arrogantly and sacrificing entire worlds to save one or two of their species, because ''Mon-Keigh'' are just beasts even though you literally fucked a chaos god and a hole in reality into existence you degenerate fucks?
Fuck Eldar and ESPECIALLY fuck Dark Eldar. If they all disappeared tomorrow the galaxy would be better off.

>>51359575
>...are you completely oblivious to the fact that Araghast had ownership of his soul and that Eliphas' entire existence was in the hands of a bloodthirsty madman?
Well, I am, but it doesn't change one bit about his stance.
>youtube
I closed it after hearing the voice. Pathetic. Whatever Failbaddon apologists can came up with, it will not change the fact that he's a failure that only recently got half-assed excuses for his 12 failed crusades.
Even with the late Cadia fall he still almost smacked right in the face, forcing him to withdraw and destroy Cadia.
>Eliphas was FUCKED after Dark Crusade
That I do know, and yet all those are simply green text.
He managed it just because. It's offered simply as a statement of fact, rather than any plot line.
He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win, and yet he somehow getting back? That's retarded. I don't understand why he has such a huge harem of fags.
Even Abaddon has more credit than this creep.
>corrupted a main character
But he didn't. They even stated the reason Hairgel isn't shown - he went into hiding from Blood Ravens still loyal to Kyras.
>Without plot armor he
would've even showed up so far and stayed dead.
Thing is, I'm actually thinking about stuff unlike you, who just ate it without wondering why exactly is it like this.
Eliphas is lame. Period.
Discussing him any further is redundant.

>>51359527
sauce? I'm pretty sure the other 3 weren't created by humans, after all Slaneesh is the youngest of the 4

>>51345537
Thaddeus and Aramus (hairgel) are on penitent crusade to the Eye

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>>51344452

>Paul Dobson isn't returning to voice Gabriel Angelos for DoW 3

REEEEEELICCCCCCCCCCC

>>51359882
>I closed it after hearing the voice. Pathetic.
Right, cause you're a macho alpha here browsing /tg/. If you want to resort to ignoring stuff that kills your argument fine by me, but that's conceding. Glad we got that out of the way.
>Whatever Failbaddon apologists can came up with
Watch the video and then i dare you to challenge ONE of his points.
>He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win
>He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win
Against main characters, yes. He owns literally everyone else he comes across.
>and yet he somehow getting back?
Cause against non-plot armored people his cunning actually works.
>But he didn't. They even stated the reason Hairgel isn't shown
I was talking about the traitor in CR. Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that fucking Araghast could have the subtlety and cunning to recruit a loyalist to his cause.
>Thing is, I'm actually thinking about stuff unlike you, who just ate it without wondering why exactly is it like this.
Which is why you completely failed to grasp his motivations and actions even after i explained them to you 3 times.
>I don't understand why he has such a huge harem of fags.
Says the little bitch who got triggered by someone's voice on youtube. Seriously, the only reason that would bother you is insecurity, probably projecting yourself onto it or vice-versa. Then again, i'm talking to someone who just eats the shit 1d4chan drops in his mouth rather then actually think about how fucking impressive is to be able to just unite all Chaos warbands, even for a second. Then again, Abaddon's motivations and goals run FAR deeper then that, but you can choose to remain ignorant and meme on. The funny thing is, i'm not even that huge of an Eliphas fan, Angelos, Tarkus, Diomedes, Thule, i love all of those guys more, i'm just able to actually grasp his motivations and actions beyond what the character says out loud.

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>>51359999
>DoW 3
REEEEEEEEE

>>51359999
Is there a reason?

>>51359917
Old fluff claimed that the other three douches came around certains times of human history, like Nurgle was born during the Black Plague.

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>>51360056
Oh, looks like I hurt your feelings. Sorry, I don't feel sorry.
Was it about Eliphas being a lame bitch or did your inferiority complexes switched in after I mentioned that pathetic voice?
I already defeated all of his potential points above. Abaddon is superior only because he's stated to be. Before (now not so) recent fluff he was just a failure.
As for Eliphas, I already said everything, you just can't admit that he's that pathetic. They were unable to show him like that.

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>>51360171
>I can't refute anything so i'll just call him mad and go ''n-no y-you''

>>51359652
>Right, cause they're the oldest race in the setting and the gods feed only off them- oh wait!
The point wasn't "Eldar dindu nuffin", it was "everyone in 40k is shit and don't have the moral high ground over anyone else". The Eldar aren't anything special in that regard.
>After Eldar gave them access to the Materium.
Say what? How does that follow when Slaanesh is the youngest of the Chaos gods? It's not like humans didn't have access to the Warp before that.
>And then still acting arrogantly and sacrificing entire worlds to save one or two of their species
I'm gonna just stop you there, 'cause there isn't a single faction in the setting that would hestitate for an instant to sacrifice any number of outsiders to save one of their own. Hell, most wouldn't even need the excuse.

>>51359917
Honestly, I'm not sure where it's taken from, but the other three Chaos gods were all sentient by the time of the second millenium AD (while Slaanesh came about in 29M). Specifically, I think they said that Khorne was born from the Crusades and Nurgle got a big boost from the Black Death.

Which I think is kinda dumb and stupidly human-centric, but that's 40k-writers for ya.

>>51360293
>I can't refute anything
Lol. Keep closing your eyes and yelling "la-la-la". It 'll sure make Abaddon and Eliphas better.

>>51360344
Funny, that's what you're doing. I stated facts.

>>51360446
I stated facts as well. It's about how you interpret them.

>>51360344
Not even the guy you've been arguing with, but you should probably stop. I shouldn't even be giving you attention, but you've been repeatedly and decisively proven to be either incorrect or ignorant. You just look like an idiot, seriously. I don't like Abaddon as a character, and I'm not even that fond of the chaos characters from the series, but he's right, you're wrong, stop wasting everyone's time.

>>51360481
Sure, sure, I believe it's not you. And you certainly don't couldn't care less to attemp samefagging.

>>51360327
>"everyone in 40k is shit and don't have the moral high ground over anyone else"
Except that's completely untrue and Eldar are at fault for most of the bad things happening.
>Say what? How does that follow when Slaanesh is the youngest of the Chaos gods?
Because they also created the Eye of Terror. Chaos influence was extremely limited prior to the Great Fall, warp storms and daemonic possessions were non-existent. Eldar literally gave them a gateway to Materium. Eldar are, without exaggerating, DIRECTLY to blame for the Horus Heresy and then state of the galaxy today. Chaos wouldn't be shit without Eldar fucking up.
>I'm gonna just stop you there, 'cause there isn't a single faction in the setting that would hestitate for an instant to sacrifice any number of outsiders to save one of their own. Hell, most wouldn't even need the excuse.
Fair enough, but humanity actually has reason to hate xenos. Eldar are just arrogant fucks who view everyone else as lower on the evolutionary chain.

>>51360464
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>Eliphas conned a big shot to both save his soul and steal the guy's army
Sounds pretty smart to me.
>Abaddon doesn't want to become a slave to chaos which is why he doesn't dedicate himself to any god or embrace daemonhood, instead he's rulling chaos forces through charisma and might, and he managed to keep himself in power for 10000 years despite still being in charge of his own soul.
Sounds EXTREMELY badass to me. Also, it's implied that either his crusades fail because controlling Chaos for long is impossible and the fuckwit warbands start squabbling among themselves with each chasing short-term spoils so it all falls apart after Abby got to swing his dick around for a bit to remind everyone who's in charge, or that he DELIBERATELY let them fail to make the Imperium think he's weak while he bolsters his forces over the millennia until they number in the millions at which point the TRUE Black Crusade starts and he just steamrolls everything in his path (which is what's happening now). The first is understandable, the second is genius.

Eliphas isn't infallible, sure, but he's cunning, driven an a survivor, and that allows him to cheat damnation again and again and makes him EXTREMELY dangerous.

As for Abaddon, once you get past the memes and actually LOOK at what he's doing, what his goals are and what he's working with he is easily more impressive then the fucking Primarchs. Seriously, i recommend watching that video, he tells everything i already knew in great detail. In the end it's up to you, but it WILL give you a different perspective on Abby.

And that's it from me.

>>51360520
That's not me bud, i was typing this >>51360759

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>>51360146
>>51360327
Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned. But the gods' births were the cause of those periods in human history rather than the effect - so, in classic lore, humans were special enough to be "largely" responsible for Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle even before those events.

>>51346034
Don't know about you but I love Avitus' the most.

Think about it, he speaks from a point of despair as if an actual space marine picked up the fucking 40k novels and setting and read through it. He gains the perspective of a real life player looking into the setting: There is nothing else but war, and when you die you're chaos chow in the warp. The Emperor's borderline toothless, the Chaos Gods are empowered with everything the Imperium does because they're so abstract and rooted in many things that make humans what they are: emotions.

He sees all this shit and just kindof blue screens. "There is nothing else in this forsaken existence". His ending is meta.

>>51360845
>and when you die you're chaos chow in the warp
Except The Emperor doesn't let that happen to loyalists, but ok.
>The Emperor's borderline toothless
Lol, which is why his decayed corpse has been fighting off the entire Warp for the past 10000 years.

>>51360759
Duh. You're completely missing everything I'm talking about.
And I'm talking about meta. About Eliphas only being portraited as a badass, while his actions are not showing much.

Same goes for Abaddon. He gets a credit bonus for being Horus's successor, but that many fluff kinks, like Crimson path and whatever were only being made not so long ago to gag the plot hole about 12 lost crusades.

And recent fluff again shows him not so smart for that at all, landing on Cadia to try and break Imperium's morale.
Only to get shanked in the back and retreat hastily under very real deaththreat, since, if his chaos boons are off, he's isnt as immortal as before and if his teleporter is off, than he's gonna get zerged.
Even he himself admits that he fucked up, before launchin bits of Blackstone to ruin Cadia.

Now let's get this over. We're not going to get anywhere and I'm honestly tired.

>>51360880
>Except The Emperor doesn't let that happen to loyalists, but ok.
There's never any actual proof of this, though. It's one of those things fans keep touting but there's never a proper source that isn't from the mouth of some Loyalist priest whose job it is to say that.

The fluff is rife with moments where loyalists are damned anyway. Deldar, Daemons, Sorcerers, the Zombie plague and so on. Belief in the Emperor doesn't save you from shit once you're dead.

>Lol, which is why his decayed corpse has been fighting off the entire Warp for the past 10000 years.
All he's been doing is keeping the Astronomican lit and the Webway Gate in the Palace sealed. Grunts like the IG have been keeping the warp at bay.

>>51360797
I guess going by that lore, neither humans or eldar are -really- responsible for the Chaos gods. Seems they were going to wake up sooner or later anyway.

>>51360880
>Except The Emperor doesn't let that happen to loyalists, but ok.

Actually, he does. The lore says that most human souls dissolve into the Warp. We have seen it happen to Space Marine and people souls in the fluff.

>Lol, which is why his decayed corpse has been fighting off the entire Warp for the past 10000 years.

Wrong.

As the fluff recently shown, it's the Necron Pylons that are protecting the galaxy from the Warp. If they didn't exist or were shutdown, then the galaxy would have been dragged down in into the Warp and consumed a long time ago. The Emperor does nothing except guiding humanity's psychic evolution and keeping the Warp Rift in Terra shut.

>>51360969
It shows Abaddon is fallible but he outsmarted everyone with the "No Pylon plan" and the Blackstone Armageddon.

>>51361067
I guess he is. And that smells of End Times.

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If you want a BBEG who is perfect, you can always go to AoS and enjoy Archaon, guys.

>>51360969
>>51361067
Subjective I know but I still hate the "all of the black crusades were successful in their secret purpose!" retcon, it just feels like they can't let chaos have losses/failures.

Fall of Cadia was a better read than I expected from the leaks though, Creed was a badass.

>>51361207
If Imperialfags were less douchebags with their memes things wouldn't have turned out this way.

>>51361245
Literally this. Also, ignoring what a colossal achievement it is just to start one.

>>51361276
Considering his starting stats and that it wasn't just his idea to become a Warmaster, it wasn't that big of a deal.
He's a mascot, primarily.

>>51361245
I guess. I always saw the memes as a reaction to how hard GW were pushing him, but I can see how it'd be frustrating

>>51361320
>Considering his starting stats
There were, and are, a bunch of Primarchs around. Him being Horus' successor means jack shit when either of them could have stepped up, yet he's the one in charge.

>>51361426
None of the Primarchs wanted that, so they're out of the calculation. And among those remaining, he was likely the most fit, and, more importantly, it wasn't his ambition and thirst for power that ignited it.

>>51361164
BONFIRE LIT

>>51360080
I assume probably.

THQ went bankrupt, tearing everything good and decent they owned with them into the abyss of shit from which Sega emerged to pry Relic from their dying hands.

Now they're int he process of cleaning them up, again, but by scraping all the crusted shit from them Sega's also cutting away good portions away from them, so Relic has to severely limit their aspirations.

So because they do not have the funds, they're hiring less known voice actors and are overall making an inferior game because they can't pay the actually good guys, anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIu4jUJriUI

Who knew Orks could give a deep conversation

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Even with all the memes

I personally think the Blood Ravens are the best Space Marine chapter. They took what was basically a color scheme into a well known and awesome chapter

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>>51344452
I think we're all forgetting who the real hero of all of DOW 2 is.
The Tyrant Guard you can bring along with your Hive Tyrant in the Tyranid Campaign.
I named him Bulwark. Him taking a missile to the face saved my Tyrant more times than I can count.

>>51356630
REJOICE BROTHERS! YOUR SLAVERY TO THE FALSE EMPEROR ENDS TODAY!

>>51363838
>inferior game
t. hasn't played the game at PAX