Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

I'm looking forward to disciples of Tzeentch, unfortunately I'm flat broke. Still, I'm wondering about the minis for it, Kairic acolytes have plenty of options, halberds, shields and dual-blades, but is there really only one way to build the ogroid thaumaturge? And are you going to actually need a Kairic acolyte kit to convert tzaangors? Seems like there's not a lot of models in this particular range.

Dumb question, but I just need it to be clear: "Stormhosts" and "Strike Chambers" are essentially chapters and companies respectively, correct? And Lord-Celestants are basically captains, while Lord-Commanders are chapter masters?

>>51304410
There's a fair bit:
-ogroid
-tzaangors (we are getting a box just for us)
-kayric acolytes
-summoner
-skyfires
-enightened dues
-curseling
-magister
-sorcererlord
-Kayros
-LoC

And then all StD with mark of tzeentch.

Complete scrub question, and I apologize in advance, but can wood elves and dryads/tree people be taken in the same army like they could in old Fantasy?
My friends were thinking of starting up a Sigmar league and I like the way they look.

>>51304647
Absolutly. They're both Grand Alliance Order and can be freely mixed in Pitched Battles.

>>51304667
Good to know, thank you.

>>51304610
Not, really. To begin with there's no such thing as lord commanders. The second thing to add is that chambers are batallion sized and that stormhosts are about the size of pre-forgeworld Legiones Astartes.

>>51304410
>I'm looking forward to disciples of Tzeentch, unfortunately I'm flat broke. Still, I'm wondering about the minis for it, Kairic acolytes have plenty of options, halberds, shields and dual-blades, but is there really only one way to build the ogroid thaumaturge? And are you going to actually need a Kairic acolyte kit to convert tzaangors? Seems like there's not a lot of models in this particular range.
You wont need Kairic Acolytes to convert tzaangors. In fact you can buy the 40k kit for tzaangors since they come with all the fantasy gubbins you need to make a legal age of sigmar unit. Other than that it is as
>>51304618
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How's everyone's painting coming along this fine friday?

>>51305167

Hot damn those are some sexy Tzaangors. I'm running bloodbound and am still trying to paint the stuff from the starter set, but I need me some of those tzeentch models, they're so nice.

So do any of you change up the color schemes in your units?

For example, I want the leader of every liberator squad to be silver instead of gold, would this look odd or should I just stick to one color scheme?

>>51305167
>Base even looks like bird shit

Realistic / 10

>>51305272
Well you know, It's always important to stay on theme!

>>51305253
It's a bit tricky, but if you want to change the scheme like that it's important to make sure your unit has enough common elements, paintwise, to make the outlier still fit in.

What are your lists for Tzeentch?

Can I take a Fatesworn Warband and maintain Tzeentch allegiance (the battalion only says Everchosen).

>>51305253
I have variations for squads, leaders tend to stand out based on their poses.

For example, my chaos warriors all look the same, except one group has purple capes and brown shoulder fur, while the other has reddish/pink capes and bone colored shoulder fur.

One group of pink horrors is very pink, while another is an almost orangeish pink.

My tzaangor are probably all going to have the same skin tone, with different feather/hair colors for each unit. etc etc.

>>51305492
According to the current rules, no you are stuck with regular chaos if you go fatesworn warband.

Damn shame, because rend -1 6+/6+/6+* (not even counting their armor save,) cultists would be very nice. Probably nice enough to ignore the tzeentch book, even just for a battle or two.

*the third 6+ is a warshrine. If you aren't taking a warshrine in the FSWB, then I hate you and you should rethink your choices.

>>51305645
I really hope this gets FAQed... The Fatesworn Warband got fucked by the rule of 1 anyway so it would be nice to throw it a bone.

>>51305658
I wouldn't get your hopes up. It may be a Tzeentch themed warband, but they are Everchosen. If my understanding of the lore is correct, they basically hate the Chaos Gods, and are simply abusing their power in order to overthrow them.

Or I could be entirely wrong, who knows. I don't read so good.

>>51305725
There are also I think some O&G battalions that have the same problems, some of the spider dude battalions are marked O&G.

Am I right in thinking a Gaunt Summoner from DoT gets:

-An Artefact of Power
-A Daemonic Gift
-A spell from the Lore of Fate
-A spell from the Lore of Change

Because he's both an Arcanite and Daemon Hero/Wizard?

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>>51304610
Yes.

>>51304782
>To begin with there's no such thing as lord commanders.

The position is there, but no one has been promoted yet.

What's the quickest way to share an epub ? 4chins doesn't seem to like the format, renaming it to .pdf didn't help either.

>>51305867
>bog-standard bowmen are part of the command section of the army
>so are the trumpet guys
Sigmar, what the hell are you thinking?

>>51305790
You get one relic in total and one spell in total.

>>51305790
No.
Don't be stupid.
One relic and one spell total, you just have a way bigger selection.

Last thread someone said they'd tell me if my list will suck against my buddys seraphon. So far all he has is the SC box and chameleon skinks.

500pts is the Nurgle SC box
1000 is
Guo
Herald
Plaguebearers x10
Plaguebearers x10
Drones x3
Toads x3
Toads x3

So, to make Tzeentch Marked Chariots, I'm thinking of replacing the riders with Karic Acolytes. They should fit, yeah?

>>51305965
They're support troops, and thus are in the support/command section. Makes sense, actually... sort of.

>>51306056
Most likely, they're buff but not taller than the normal human models, so should fit in fine.

>>51306329
Might try to swap the head of the driver as he mostly fits, and then mount either an Acolyte or a Tzaangor as the warrior.

>>51305961
Upload to MEGA I guess

>>51305965
If you read the Nagash book in the RW, the Heraldor is basically second in command to the Celestant.

>>51307195
The chariot champ has a god-specific head, the tzeentch one has a beaky face.

>>51307376
Hilarious.
I'm gonna try to paint that on a banner for my Fyre Slayers.

Checking here before I put em up on ebay. Anyone here interested in Brets? I got a force which I am going to sell because I have huge backlog that is never going to be finished.

I think it is something like 32 men at arms, 32 bowmen, like 27 or so knights of the realm, 5 questing knights, 3 pegasus, 2 lords and a green knight. They are all assembled and like 50 % is painted and the rest is base coated.

>>51307353
Ah. Maybe keep that then. Blades over fails, yeah?

Jesus why is the general so slow today? It's usually really busy. Are people (shudder) actually out playing the games or painting their new models? Where's all the theorycrafting for tzeentch...?

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Horrors are quite easy to paint i think, but then again they're supposed to look horrible so it works out!

>>51308337
Oh is it something to do with Trump inauguration?

>>51308347
Not bad anon.

>>51307201
That's what I settled for, but the damn thing keeps crashing and crashing when I try to create an account, so I used Jewgle Drive.

Anyway, here it is : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3uRlAO6J74eLXVVdmxnTXh5OGc/view?usp=sharing

Why is Flesh-Eater Court the best written part of the Death faction fluff?

>>51308454
Because Ushoran a best. I found Mortarch of Night and Lord of Undeath enjoyables, which gave me hope we'll one day have another good battletome for Death.

>>51308454
It's the only written Death fluff

>>51308475
That's not true. We also have fluff about the three stooges Mortarchs and Nagash being retarded while pretending to be retarded.

>>51308453
I didn't even write what it is, I guess it's time for some sleep.
It's the City of Secrets.

Herald of Nurgle
Epidemius
10x Plaugebearers
10x Plaguebearers
5x Blightkings
1x Soul Grinder

960pts, yay or nay? I could kick out Epidemius, grab Lord of Plagues and spent spare points on 3x nurglings or add 10 more plaguebearers to one of squads.

>>51309042
Why not running a pure daemon list?

>>51309129
Blight kings are cool as fuck that's why

Went to my local GW to pick up some Tzaangors, and they said there were new ones coming out tomorrow... They can't be rebounding the 40k Tzaangors already can they? Was he just trying to get me to come back and buy more stuff (desu I was gonna get it anyway but was gonna wait until I can read the battle time and work out what I want).

>>51309402
Jesus, "reboxing" "battle tome"

>>51309129
cos i got those blightkings already, and I like them. I'll proably crawl deeper into deaemons later on.

I was thinking about new tzeentch stuff, but I like nurgle in AoS more. I already started TSons for 40k, so I'll throw new thingies into 40k (tzaangors, LoC).

>>51309354
>>51309432
>Argumentum ad blightkings
Oh, I understand
wanted to run daemon list but Lord of Plagues looks so neat

>>51309402
Probably because they didnt want to seem misleading, not that I would think many people would be too bothered.

>>51308528
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3uRlAO6J74eLXVVdmxnTXh5OGc/view?usp=sharing
you beautiful bastard.

>>51306014

Can anyone give me some feedback on this?

>>51308528
thanks anon, it was a good read

Is everyone busy working on their Tzeentch stuff? This general is absolutely dead compared to 2 days ago.

New tzaangors already on NZ gw site.

>>51311477
>New tzaangors already on NZ gw site.
Are they different from the 40k ones?

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>>51311477
Look cool, I do really like the Split Tzaangor head.

>>51311534
absolutely no. Sprues are same as 40k. In 40k box you get extra sprue with laspistols and chainswords.

>>51311558
Even the Twistbray head :)?

>>51311589
Yeah, the kit is exactly the same. I already used my split heads cause I thought they were just a cool design choice, gotta build up some different looking mutants now.

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>mfw entre daemon of tzeentch range is no longer avaliable

new models for all daemons comming next week along with LoC

>>51311668
Ok thanks anon, was wondering if I should return the box I bought today of the 40k ones.

>>51311683

Do we really need new pink horrors though? Plastic screamers would be ace

>>51311851
>Plastic screamers would be ace
screamers already are plastic

they are not making new daemons of tzeentch that we already didn't see.

>>51311851
>Do we really need new pink horrors though? Plastic screamers would be ace
I think they're just removing the square bases from the box and rebranding them.

>>51311683
Theyre being reboxed

>>51311908

They are? Man I feel stupid now.
Only screamers I've seen in person were my friends old metal ones.

Did anyone manage to order any Tzeentch dice off the website last week?

I placed an order for some at 10:01:28 (less than 90 seconds after they went up)

I've still got order "pending" there's no way they sold out before I placed my order, as I was still able to add more to cart (just to check) for about five minutes after

What do you guys think of this skink based seraphon army? I really like the skinks and the synergy they offer while also keeping irl costs down.

Leaders
Skink Starseer (160)
- General
- Trait: Reckless
- Artefact: Phoenix Stone
Skink Starpriest (100)
Skink Priest (100)
- Priestly Trappings
- Artefact: Talisman of Blinding Light

Battleline
20 x Skinks (160)
- Boltspitters & Moonstone Clubs
10 x Skinks (80)
- Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (80)
- Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers

Units
3 x Terradon Riders (140)
- Sunleech Bolas
3 x Ripperdactyl Riders (140)
5 x Chameleon Skinks (120)
5 x Chameleon Skinks (120)

Behemoths
Bastiladon (300)
Stegadon (260)

Battalions
Heavenswatch Starhost (100)
Shadowstrike Starhost (120)

Total: 1980/2000

>>51305167
Good to see you've painted up more Anon.

>>51313130
Why take the Reckless trait? You can already reroll run+charge with the skink priest

I would swap the Starpriest for a Sunblood to give you a decent melee hero

>>51305253
Change a small aspect of them, like an arm being silver. It changes things up a bit without ruining a set scheme

>>51313159
Order traits suck for non combat heroes so it seemed the most useful to me. I need the three skink heroes to fulfill the battalion requirements unfortunately, otherwise i had considered taing a more combat oriented hero or one with a command ability.

>>51313130
Illegal

You need 3 skink heroes for Heavenswatch and 1 more for Shadowstrike.

Units can only be in one battalion

Just finished City of Secrets. Pretty good, I enjoyed it quite a lot. I mean, yes, it was predictable, especially the epilogue, and more than a little cliche, but that doesn't necessarily detract from the whole for me.
Solid plot and decent, if generic characters made for a good read, but, like everybody expected, the secret star of the story was the description of the city, its customs and its people. I kinda want to run an rpg there.
What are your thoughts?

>>51313779
Want to read it, but need to finish Hammers of Sigmar first.

>>51313779
I liked it pretty much the reasons you just said however I thought the villain was lacking a bit and the Tzaangors were underused
My favourite parts was the the initial meetings of the Lord Veritant, and that it turned into a Freeguild novel near the end

>>51313980
Is there something even remoteley simmilar to the German WHFB empire in that freeguilders bit?

>>51313980
>>51313824
You seem to have read the ebooks, are Lizardmangs or Serabros actually playing a role in any of them?
In WHFB they were petty much a footnote when it came to non codex fluff, are they more prominent now? do they get any characterization or personality?

>>51314064
They still have fabulous mustaches, if that counts for anything?

>>51314112
No, lizards are forever boring.

>>51314064
Yes, I'm not that familiar with the WHFB Empire but there is something that definitely reminds me of them
They bust out the steam tank and at one point the artillery fires on their own men

>>51314112
Read Skaven Pestilens, and it's one of the better books as well IMO

>>51312875
They're waiting to get you your Fall of Cadia card

>>51313980
I thought the betrayal was visible from a mile away and the ending was sorta rushed overall. It wouldn't have hurt to actually see the duel between Synor and the chieftain, for example. Also, the glimmerings never being explored any further felt odd.
That said, a very entertaining novel overall, even if the description of life in the city was the best part. People that wanted a ground-level view of the setting finally got that.
That cliché-storm of an epilogue made me roll my eyes though.

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>Bird motifs and themes everywhere
>the actual god looks like this instead of a giant bird

Justify this, /AoS/

Anyways dumping the new Tzeentchian art.

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>>51314392

>>51314392
>Justify this, /AoS/

God of lies.

>>51314392
God of change, ain't gotta explain shit.

>>51305253
I think that's a perfectly fine idea, and that it won't ruin consistency at all. If one leader of one squad is Silver he's an outlier, but if every leader of every squad is silver, then a recognisable pattern of silver leaders emerges. You don't need to have perfect consistency between squad mates as long as you maintain a cohesive look between units! Besides, varied colours on Stormcast are both lore friendly and help break up a tragically monochrome army.

>>51314392
Maybe he just thinks birds are cool is all. Like some human choosing a dragon or griffin as their standard.

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>>51314673
Choose which daemon legion would you like to serve in.

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>>51314750
Cool. Tzeentchian alphabet

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>>51314818

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>>51314874

>>51311683
They are just being reboxed. If they are being used in 40k they are not going to remove them.

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>>51313779
It gives us that human level grainyness that AOS has been missing so far. The idea that there are cities isolated in the realms where elves dwarves and men all kick about together (As well as under sea pirates riding giant crabs? that was unexpected i'm gonna be honest. ) Is something that really enriches the world.

It's the perfect setting for AoS skirmish games . Maybe taking the regiments of renown rulepack and expanding it with the path to glory campaign structure to make a sort of AoS Inquisimunda?

(cus god damn it i wanna run witch hunter dwarf bros and their retinue fighting cultists in the rat run slums and elf mafia run harbours of some arcane city!)

All in all I'd say 7 out of 10. Not perfect, a bit cheesy and obvious in parts, but it's nice to have a plot that isn't just "we kill the dudes" and has a little bit of intrigue in it.

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T. Elf

>>51304820
They are also releasing a AoS kit

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>>51315491


still waiting for my glorious elves battletome

>>51310501
should be ok. try to flank.

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>>51304377
Where the fuck are all the pdf and epub link ? the Ressource shitbin is so outdated mess its not even funny.

>>51306014
>Toad
Are so good man, youll enjoy this list

>>51305167
I like the birds in red! Hope the base is WIP tho

>>51309042
Inferior to your list with toad, if not the same guy then go for it for the theme

>>51314392

No Fuck Off.

Used to be that Horrors were big blobs of invertebrate tentacles. Yeah, they had beaks sometimes but they also could have lamprey mouths. Same with Flamers! Screamers are just big toothy rays. The whole Tzeentch line was like if you took a bunch of underwater things but you replaced the water with fire. But then the Greater Daemon is a fucking BIRD! Its the goddamn bird shit that's out of place! Clip off the wings and paint it up to look like a moray eel! Let the fire ocean theme be real!

>>51316940
>>51317194
Thanks bros

>>51314874

Hey, do they ever explain what the fuck an Ogroid is? The webstore page basically just says, "we don't know shit!"

I used to prefer 40k to fantasy but now I vastly prefer the fantasy aesthetic and universe to 40k.

Anyone else think this way too?

Is there a way to make a list easily with point and all like the 40K image thing they have ?
Battlescribe is underwhelming and i don't have the GHB on android

>>51317354
So far as the world in Age of Sigmar is slowly getting fleshed out, I find myself liking it more and more. I'm certainly intrested to see what they'll do next and add.

>>51317380
scrollbuilder.com

>>51317279
He's some big mutant fucker, what more is there to know?

>>51317380

>army builder
http://www.scrollbuilder.com

For some reason its not in the OP anymore

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>>51304377
redpill me on the Skaven
Or bluepill me, w/e

>>51317486
The Horned Rat promoted hisself to be the new fourth player in Chaos since slannesh is outie. They fucked up in bringing their kingdoms into chaos, so they are stuck in between realities. This lets them have "tunnels" to any of the realms. Still backstabbing each other. Even the Horned Rat is assumed to be trying to fuck over Nurgle.

>>51317486
Fragile and run away at the drop of a hat, but you get lots of them

Elite units do tons of mortal wounds

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>>51317536
>>51317546
Handy, thanks guys

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>>51317536
In the endless and diverse Realms of AoS, can Non-Breeder Female Skaven be a thing? I want to enslave a cute rat waifu.

>>51318074
Well, you'd think so, but I suppose with how the other variations of skaven you have, any female is made to be nothing more than a giant breeder. Has it gotten to the point that even if a female skaven was born, is it just another mindless rat-tool? Or an actual skaven?

Are Freeguild next in line for a battle tome? Any new rumours or suggestions for them? It makes sense with the disembarking from Azyrheim and then the subsequent construction of cities across the realms of metal and life.

Plus in the DoT book its said that Tzeench has placed agents among the human population. Plus the new book, Cities of Secrets, which focuses on a freeguild Guardsman.

>>51318074
They exist, but they are rare. Typically they're Grey Seers, as they have been exempt from the normal conditions of Skaven life, due to their supernatural abilities.

>>51318232
Signs point to a steampunk Duardin release, but there also enough indicators for a Freeguild release, although it may be after the Duardin.

>>51318251
Why a Duardin release over Free People's? Perhaps the dispossessed would be rolled into a Free People battle tome as ironweld arsonal are dwarves and freeguild

>>51318324
It might be an Ironweld Arsenal release - they've already got steam tanks and gyrocopters. All we know at this point is that there's some great big riveted brass machine with a blue orb and dwarven symbol somewhere on it in the pipeline. It was the very first Rumour Engine picture.

I heard that someone posted recaster emails in this general, anyone got them?

>>51318378
Ironweld can't function as a standalone army though. Plus dispossessed are in the same place as Empire/FG in terms of boxes ect as Fyrelslayers already have their tome.

>>51317577
>>51317486
Fuck, I would love a rat unit that's in between the size of a normal skaven and a rat ogre. Kinda like a blood warrior or stormcast eternal in size.

>>51313139
>>51317194
Thanks! And yes, the bases are only based thus far, haven't decided what to do with them as of yet.

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Its been at least 20+ thread since we had an OP so poor.

>>51317410
is he a ogre? is he a minotaur? is he a human that even uplifted? did he worship the wrong god for mad gains and got lucky? why isn't he called ogoroid or logorroic?

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Thighs. And feet for those freaks of you out there.

>>51304377

Is that a gyrocopter in the background of the OP pic?

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>>51314940
And back

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>>51319088

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>>51319109

>>51317279
The book says that the origin of these guys is a mysrery

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>>51319123
Here is a nice illustration showing the life cycle of a Horror. A Stormcast volunteered to help in this experiment. How nice of him.

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>>51319166

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>>51319176
why is e stabbing the book?

>>51319195
the book is clearly talking shit

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>>51319195

>>51319195
Needs a "WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING" Caption

>>51319208
this is the FIRST greatsword we see in the age of sigmar after almost 1000 images

>>51319195
he is attempting a shortcut through the lore

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>>51319208
*Angry bird noises*

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I was half expecting a birb-frog confrontation actually, is there one?

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>>51319277
And that's all the new art in the book. What do you think of its quality?

>>51319327
A bit uneven, and i prefer the pre-AoS art generally due to what i think was a higher quality. But it definitely aint bad!

>Planned to get my AoS army done while on holiday
>get bored 4 days in and start building my 40k army
>Now neither army is 100% finished
Fucks sake

>>51319344
Such is life in the wargaming world. Happens to everyone. Easiest way is just to not buy new stuff (but that's hard too!)

>>51319327
nothing really outstanding except, once again, kevin fucking chin.

Tweaked my skunk list a but to ensure legality, what do you think ? Enough to be fair competitive? Seraphim are a nightmare to list build


+++ Skinks2 (Age of Sigmar v8) (1940pts) +++

++ Pitched Battle (2,000) (Grand Alliance: Order v26) (2000pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

Allegiance [Seraphon]

+ Leader (460pts) +

Skink Priest (100pts)

Skink Priest (100pts)

Skink Starpriest (100pts)

Skink Starseer (160pts)

+ Behemoth (500pts) +

Bastiladon (300pts)

Stegadon (260pts)

+ Artillery (60pts) +

Salamanders (60pts) [Salamander]

+ Battleline (240pts) +

Skinks (80pts) [10 Skinks]

Skinks (80pts) [10 Skinks]

Skinks (80pts) [10 Skinks]

+ Other (460pts) +

Ripperdactyl RIders (280pts) [2x 3 Ripperdactyl Riders]

Skink Handelers (40pts) [3 Skink Handelers]

Terradon Riders (140pts) [3 Terradon Riders]

+ Battalion (220pts) +

Battalion: Heavenswatch Starhost (100pts)

Battalion: Shadowstrike Starhost (120pts)

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>>51319277

How are CHaos dwarves these days? or more importantly bull cents?

>>51319955
chaos dwarf are shit tier.. however Bull centaur are verystrong and shartor is god tier.
People are regularly complaining about how op it is pretty regularly here

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Finished my Casual list.
Lack a little bit of hard hitting close combat but I got the theme and its casual anyway.
I will probably be experimenting with a changehost for tournament.

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>>51319327
Where's the flame inducing fluff this time, carnac?
No attempt to rustle star-daemons' jimmies this release?

>>51320210
>painting 80 acolytes
I wish you luck mang.

>>51314673
wicked!

>>51319995
I have renders and Taur'uk, can i just add in the shar'tor dude and it be somewhat playable? will it get shot off the table?

>>51320318
Generic run of the mill fluff. Nothing funny or interesting,

The only thing that might be considered interesting is that Tzeentch is using the cults to engineer a realm spanning spell of epic proportions.

>>51319208
Is- is that a dwarf wizard?

>>51320402
nope, duardin wizard i think

Since you asked for fluff, I might as well post one bit. An Archaon one since he is your favorite.

>THE WILL OF THE EVERCHOSEN

>Once, the Gaunt Summoners were given freedom by Tzeentch to pursue their own fates. In this the god was wise, as each of the mage-lords was obsessed with the accumulation of magical knowledge and power. In these pursuits, they brought Tzeentch great glory. Even the Gaunt Summoners’ amusements – testing the mettle of warriors in their endless labyrinths – offered the Changer of the Ways occasional distraction. Yet Archaon – most powerful champion of Chaos – wished to possess the eldritch power of the Gaunt Summoners for his own.

>Tzeentch himself watched on with great interest as Archaon sacrificed the lives of many of his followers seeking to discover the true names of the Gaunt Summoners, the only
way in which to bind their services. In this duel, Tzeentch was of two minds – the Gaunt Summoners belonged to him, yet on the other hand the attempts of each of the Dark Gods to persuade the Everchosen to serve them exclusively, rather than all of them equally, had failed. This both vexed and impressed Tzeentch, for it was not often that another could dictate the Great Conspirator’s chosen course of action. In the end, Tzeentch reasoned that allowing Archaon to usurp dominion of the nine daemon-sorcerers would better serve the god’s own ends, and so Archaon went on to win the names of all the Gaunt Summoners, never realising the subtle aid he benefited from along the way. Yet ever since, the Gaunt Summoners have chafed beneath the rule of Archaon and plot one day to rebel.

>Change is inevitable…

>>51320402
he's just a human wizard with the Magister in a elevated position

there will be a 2k point AoS tournament happening in a few months, what do you guys think of...


+++ SKELLINGTONS (2000pts) +++

++ (Grand Alliance: Death) ++

+ Leader (240pts) +
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120pts) **Army General**
Necromancer (120pts)

+ Leader/Behemoth (340pts) +
Archon the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament (340pts)

+ Battleline (720pts) +
Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors
Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors
Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors

+ Other (640pts) +
Black Knights (240pts) 2x5 Models
Grave Guard (160pts) 2x5 Models
Morghast Harbingers (240pts) 2 Models

+ Battalion (60pts) +
Battalion: Legion of Death (60pts)

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>>51320393
cool, thanks for the update

>>51320515
>Arkhan
>But with no points to summon with

If i ran Death i'd also just use the 3x10 Zombies for 180
Giving you 1820 point for better things

Ordered some Tzaangors and the Tzeentch battletome, so looking forward to dip my toe in.

Do you think it will be viable to mix Chaos Knights into a disciples list? I find it hard to empathise with a pure daemon list and would like a Lord on Daemonic mount and some Knights to lead the hordes.

>>51320529
Arkhan and the Harbingers are DISTRACTION CARNIFEX, plus curse of the years is just hilarious.

the Skeletons are the lynchpin of the army.

3 attacks per model, +1 for the banner and Damse Macabre to pile in and attack twice each turn.
the Infernal Standard on the Wight King gives a 6+ chance to block the wound that kills a Skelly

Grand Alliance Death gives the 6+ save on the wound that kills them

When using chariots, is single model units best?

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>>51320569
So the Bone Zone but not as good?
Death really needs some love

>Leaders
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)
Necromancer (120)
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120)

>Battleline
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
20 x Skeleton Warriors (160)
20 x Skeleton Warriors (160)

2 x Morghast Archai (240)
10 x Black Knights (240)
Total: 1620/2000

If you are running Arkhan without any points for summoning then don't bother taking him at all

>>51317252
>Used to be that Horrors were big blobs of invertebrate tentacles
No, such miniatures never existed. They were always short headless humanoids, with or without tentacles.
>Same with Flamers
No, not the same at all. They were always jumping fungi, and they actually had bird heads at one point. What you refer to as "lamprey mouths" are just generic scary daemonic maws with teeth all around them.
>Screamers are just big toothy rays
Except when they're disks, then they can look like anything they want.

Let's also not forget the old daemon engines of Tzeentch, which all looked like mechanical birds apart from the Silver Tower. Let's also not forget the old Champions of Tzeentch with birdlike mutations. The bird is clearly not out of place. Your post doesn't make much sense, like it or not.

Anyone able to upload a copy of the new FAQs released today. Not able to get the app.

Fimir? how'd you incorporate them into an army at the moment? i'm guessing they wont release anymore models for a longtime to fill out an army

>>51312875
>>51314320

They did have them in a badly scrunched up Greyfax Card... which they'll send me another one of.

Some snot nose little cunt said

>"So you'll just be scalping those on eBay while I couldn't get any probably"
How about I have a massive Tzeentch force and want themed dice, mate?
>If you say so

Is there any other hobby or anything where perfect strangers feel they can weigh in on your shit like that. Fuck.

>>51319166
This is great. Probably the best art of horrors I've ever seen.

>>51320717
It's just the old Faq (the december ones) that now are uploaded in the app. You can find them on the warhammer community site.

>>51320747
>Is there any other hobby or anything where perfect strangers feel they can weigh in on your shit like that. Fuck.
Oh fuck yes. Try MTG, where selling cards is almost as much part of the hobby as playing the goddamn game. Every booster you open will have people leering over your shoulder judging the value of cards.

First attempt at a Tzeentch army:

Leaders
Tzaangor Shaman (120)
- Artefact: Aspect of Tzeentch
Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)
- General
- Trait: Soul Burn - Tzeentch Mortal Hero
- Artefact: Wicked Shard
Chaos Sorcerer Lord (140)
- Runesword
- Artefact: Souldraught

Battleline
10 x Kairic Acolytes (140)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (140)
20 x Tzaangors (360)

Units
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160)
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
1 x Chaos Chariots (80)
- Greatblades
1 x Chaos Chariots (80)
- Greatblades

Battalions
Witchfyre Coven (60)
Skyshoal Coven (80)

Total: 2000/2000

Sorcerer Lord runs with the Tzaangors to buff them up, Ogroid is a beatstick hero and the Shaman babysits the flying Tzaangors and buffs them. Thoughts?

Has GW killed off the Khorgorath? I'd like to get at least another one for my Khorne Bloodbound army.

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>>51320814
I use a hellbrute for my second, unless you want to try and get another from the starter set.

Fatesworn Warband still shit tier ? Or did it get better with new magic lore and allegiance?

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>>51313779
Wasn't that the book that confirmed female StormCast?

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>>51320757
really?

>>51320977
Indeed. She was quite a snarky bitch i believe.

Listening to FarmerHammer review episode of Sylvaneth, are the trees really as powerful as they claim? Seems odd to release a new book with that much of a power creep already.

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>>51321192
>power creep

Tomb Kings, Clan Skyre and Nurgle are still some of the most powerful armies out there.

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>Death is strong guys!

>>51321192
You can watch them get trashed right now by beastclaw raiders at the GT
>twitchDOTtv/warhammer
They are strong, but so are beastclaw fuckers and nurgle daemons.

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Haaaahahahahaha noice.

>>51321271
just stock nurgle demons? or some particular models/synergies? thanks

>>51321012
boobplate?

>>51321304
stock, it got posted a lot recently. IIRC it was :
>2 x GUO
>2x10 plaguebearers
>1x20 plaguebearers
>2x3 Drones
>1x5 blightkings
Also people always say that toads are really good, but they weren't in this particular major-tourney-winning list.

>>51320733
>i'm guessing they wont release anymore models for a longtime to fill out an army
forge world had some wips about more models, mostly heroes and the like I believe

So if stormcasts become more robotic every time they die...

Doesn't that mean that the high ranking ones would become more and more a faceless foot trooper, losing all their leadership skills?

>>51321323
wow, interesting, just a bunch of very basic units

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>>51321281
>The ugliest dice ever
>5 packs

>>51321403

Haha, I kinda like them.

I'm currently selling two on eBay, both are finishing today currently going for £32 each which means that I'll get the other 3 packs of dice and the battletome for free and actually after eBay fees I'll make about £5 profit ;)

>>51318931
I much prefer sexy tzaangor talons, thank you very much.

>>51319088
I've got to say, I love how the brimstone horrors are now pretty much the Nurglings of Tzeentch (except even cuter). I hope they expand upon this theme in future Tzeentch releases.

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>>51319209

>>51321673
Thank you! that's great!

>>51321673
>>51321764

What the fuck am I stabbing? Would have been better desu.

>>51321825
Unless you live in a world where people routinely stab things while browsing the Internet, no.

>>51321898
Don't tell me you wouldn't routinely stab things while browsing the internet if you could.

>>51321926
>things

People, anon.

People.

>>51321952
There's a difference?

>>51321431
>I'm currently selling two on eBay, both are finishing today currently going for £32 each which means that I'll get the other 3 packs of dice and the battletome for free and actually after eBay fees I'll make about £5 profit ;)

assholes like you are why shit like dice sells out immediately. I hope you die a painful miserable suffering death.

>>51321673
>How do I read book?

I want this to be funnier but I'm dead tired.

>>51322112

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://youtu.be/TpdNYcg8Lbw

Huh, this interesting. At least someone bothers to explain the lore now. Normies may even start understanding the setting, who knows.

>>51322126
I'd be careful mate, it sounds like you're dicing with death.

>>51322112
what a sad little world you live in if you get upset by this, when capitalism and consumerism destroys our planet. I pity you

It really is an asshole move to buy up dice just to resell them at a higher price.
It's perfectly legal, but morally - it's a dick move.

>>51322222
>>51322239
>It's perfectly legal, but morally - it's a dick move.
this

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elves next please

>>51320905
I never thought of using that head for the Khorgorath, but it looks great.

I keep wanting to bring a Chaos Warshrine in my Tzeentch list, as I feel it could make things like mobs of Tzaangors a bit wildly tanky.

>>51322112

*autistic screeching*

>>51322436
Tzaangors don't have the Mortal keyword, I'm afraid. It works on kairic acolytes though.

>>51318507
All it needs is a battleline unit

>>51319570
Which units are in each battalion?

>>51320515
Not enough BONE ZONE

>>51322468
>*autistic screeching*
lets get this strait, some asshole posts to brag that he bought out 5 dice packs to flip them on ebay at inflated prices. I tell him he is a fuck face because normies like me can't stay up all night to click the buy button at the website at exactly midnight due to having to have a job and life etc. Normies like me cant buy the fucking dice because of assholes who buy out the dice to flip them on ebay.

The asshole who bragged about buying the dice to flip them on ebay will be called a fuck face asshole by me (all decent people should feel free to pile on as well).

>This Sylvaneth vs Sylvaneth stream

It is just 90% tree puns. This is going to be a silly game.

>>51320570
Depends on your strategy

If you are using buffs that target specific units then you can effect more models if you have 3+ chariots in a unit.

It's also beneficial to run them in larger units so you they all charge together. Trying to make 3 charges work instead of 1 charge leaves it in the hands of the dice gods, which can completely screw you.

On the other hand, running a larger unit of chariots can make it more difficult to fit all your models in melee. Your enemy can position carefully and generate choke points, splitting up your attacks or preventing a pile-in entirely.

A common example of large chariot groups are Khorne Gorebeast Chariots with charge bonuses from units like the Bloodstoker.

>>51322112
Capitalism motherfucker

>>51318931

The Alarielle model doesn't appeal to me as a foot fetisist at all. In fact, I think the only GW model that ever has was Diazmonettes.

>>51322699
>Capitalism motherfucker

capitalism is a fucked up shit system and is only mildly tolerable with extreme amounts of regulations. You're a fuck face retarded asshole for disagreeing.

>>51320957
Not bad, but it's everchosen allegiance, and the basic guys still only get to sling arcane bolt, don't they?

>>51322788
Fuck off marxist garbage

>>51322537
Damn, you're right, though I wonder how a Pyrofand Cult focused on that might do. Like big units of Acolyes with shields being buffed by the warshrine. Mix skyfires in to boost the rolls for the acolytes.

You can use the same Battalion multiple times, yeah?

>>51322631
Pretty much. Learn to economics, scrub.

>>51322673
In this case, its actually as a supporting role for the Tzeentch army. I'm doing a Canaanite/Near East theme so chariots are a must, and so guessing single ones might be besr as the buffs are going on Tzaangors mostly.

>>51322788
Free Screamer Chariot ride for you, says Tzaan-Pinochet. You must be spatially removed, so to speak.

>>51322788
>I'm incompetent and need to have people use the threat of violence on my behalf to make up for my inability to compete, but I'll blame capitalism instead of my own failings.

Thats you.

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>>51320515
>arkhan
>no summoning points

ding ding ding

death is already in bad shape and you put yourself at a 340 point disadvantage.
the only thing that hit hard in the list are the 2 morghasts.

>Grave Guard (160pts) 2x5 Models
Why not summon those ? literally no use for 10 footslogging weak skeletons that will get shot off long before they can do anything

>Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors
>Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors
>Skeleton Warriors (240pts) 10x3 Warriors
720 points of skeletons ? Nothing to buff them ?
No offense dude but throw the list and restart from scratch, its just badly built.
I erased a much longer message that explained everything but you are trying to play normal death like someone would play Flesh Eaters.
Arkhan wont be a distraction carnifex since its a TOURNAMENT and people know that without summoning point and with 720 points of unbuffed skeletons the only thing he have to do is kill 10 wounds of Morghasts and the knight and he wins.
You are basically plating a 500 points army in a 2000 points tournaments>
Either summon, BoneZone, or play flesh eaters

>>51321431
people buy thoses ?

>>51323215
It will probably stay on ebay for ever like those
>EXCLUSIVE ZELDA LIMITED EDITION 3DS WOW SUPER RARE WOW ONLY $1200
That are unsold on ebay for now like, 4-5 years ?

>>51323188
>Thats you.

fuck you I'm rich.

Also I still think pure unregulated capitalism sucks balls because it lets the rich ass rape the poor and middle class with zero chance for them to ever have a decent life.

>>51323327
Good thing we dont live in pure unregulated capitalism

>>51323327
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. Regulatory capture fuckstick.

Fuck you, and fuck the government.

>>51323369
We should. It would be better. More free.

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>>51323386

had an argument in my local GW today.

if I only play iron jawz and use the IJ allegiance to make my ardboys, brutes etc. battleline units, do I also get access to the general destruction allegiance abilities?

>>51323426
Yes. Tead the Faq, they spell it out. You always have the option of choosing the grand alliance abilities, even if you have a smaller allegiance.

>>51323426
Yes

You can pick the bonuses of any allegiance you qualify for

GHB says otherwise but they put an errata out for it

>>51323426
>You must record the allegiance abilities for your army when the battle begins, before setting up your first unit. You can choose to take either the allegiance abilities for the allegiance your army belongs to, or the allegiance abilities for the Grand Alliance your army belongs to.

page 1 of the FAQ.

Thats why The skyfires will always have a shaman nearby with the +1 to hit AND benefit from destiny dice and all

>>51323426
Yes.

>>51323440
>>51323450
>>51323503

yeah, i thought the same and I showed the person who was saying otherwise the FAQ/Errata but he still would not want to believe me.

>>51323535
dont play with faggots then.
hope you won that game at least

>>51323535
Well, he's a moron, then.

>>51323578
>>51323580

well, the problem is, he is the store manager...

>>51322631

What you said is true, but the fact you've posted multiple replies and explanations makes you an autistic fuckwit

>>51322573
Heavenswatch has
Starseer,priest and star priest
Salamander, terradon, bastiladon, stegadon, and handlders

Shadow strike has

Skink priest
All three units of skinks, and the rippers

>>51323677
Shadowstrike can only have 2 units of Skinks, not 3

>>51323430
You'd be dead, any system would weed out psychpaths like you whose first thought is rape and murder.

Then humanity can progress without dead weight like you dragging it down.

>>51320977
>>51321012
Oh, they finally put a female Stormcast in a novel after, what, ten books?

>>51322765
Feet are even tougher to sculpt than faces, and GW can't even get faces right in 80% of the cases.

>>51323802
They've been in books before, just not BL books.

>>51323704
Oh you're right then I'll move the last unit to the heavenswatch. That means I can deploy my whole army in two moves, plus the re-rolls from the starseer should enable me double turn most of the time.

My biggest fear is I have no useful battleline but my hope is that the explosiveness of the ripper strike and consistency of my other units will make up for it

>>51323903
Prepare to be disappointed

Rippers are shit

Will the pre-GHB/Sylvaneth factions have to wait for AoS 2.0 or when are they getting their items, spells etc?

Kinda sucks for Seraphon, Ironjawz and Flesheaters the most.

>>51323929
Really quick mathahmmer says that after a dive and the shadowstrike ability six rippers with beaks alone will do between 5-9 wounds against a 4+ before the extra attacks. 3 rippers will do between 2-4 which isn't very good.

Even without the dive it's 2-5 wounds before extra attacks, that doesn't seem too bad.

Then again I'm theory crafting

>>51323857
Oh, I know they've been referenced to exist, but I never saw anything of them having names.

That's why I'm surprised it took them so long to finally put Femcast in a book.

>>51323802
wow you dont read anything aos related, do you?

Wait there was a Femcast in City of Secrets? What page numbers? Either I glossed over that detail or people are telling porkie pies

>>51323598
Well, you're fucked then. Have you tried pointing out how this would be nonsense given how not allowing a Destruction faction access to Destruction allegiance abilities nonsensically gimps them versus other factions?

>>51324002
Rippers are only good at killing other fast cavalry and they die to a stiff breeze

Only dumb opponents will leave vulnerable units exposed

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>>51324154
Have they appeared in the novels before? Because I know they have been mentioned to exist in pic related, but I haven't seen anything beyond that.

>>51323942
Seraphons must suffer for their massive anal rape spree at the launch.

>>51320977
>>51321012
Err, the White Reaper might have been female, I guess? Didn't really stand out to me as female and it certainly didn't confirm anything. Fucker barely talked.

I think that is another book.

>>51324208
What would suggest I replace them with?

>>51324315
As if the pink horror Neumann swarm and dancing dead weren't just as bad.

>>51324171
Not to my knowledge. I assume they are just spewing bullshit. The only stormcast that even talked was Lord-Veritant Cerrus Sentanus, the White Reaper. Doesn't sound like a female name to me.
Venatus was also depicted as less a character and more of a force of nature.

>>51324374
More salamanders, or more Terradons. Terradons with starseer insight can do a lot of damage in a single turn.

Or cut the Shadowstrike Starhost entirely and run a Skink Chief instead

>>51323942
Seraphon have power coming out their ears, they don't really need it.
Destruction trait is trating us Ironjawz very well and the abilities and relics aren't horrible either.
Flesheaters...yeah, maybe. I mean, they are unique in that they can still play a summoning game of sorts and the Death stuff is neat, but still.
The ones I feel got screwed the most were Fyreslayers (Order trait is garbage, though relics and abilities are nice) and Bloodbound (Chaos trait is at best meh, of the other stuff only Lord of War and Crown of Command are worth considering).

Let me see if i've got this right. If i equip a non general with Crown of Conquest, can I use his inspiring presence, and my another command ability on my general in the same hero phase?

So...

Were Kairic Acolytes sculpted by the same dude who brought us naked perfectly symmetrical dwarves?

Because I think he has a type.

>>51324531
As someone attempting to build a seraphim force heres my two cents:

Seraphon have a range that is pretty good at everything, but most of their units are costly. Therefore most seraphon lists have to pick one thing they want to be good at and build around it. This makes them really one dimensional once they put models on the board.

>>51324531
Fyreslayers suffered from both a limited battletome (unlike Seraphon they don't exactly have a lot of units) and the Order traits being kinda garbage.

You'd think that with all the digital stuff, a digital update would fix this for the factions left behind.

So did we all of the tzeentzian releases?

I really hoped for some armored up dudes kinda like in the vain of the putrid blightknights and the one curseling model we got

>>51323717
>but my delusions about utopian fantasy lands

grow up moron.

>>51324531
Order trait is really good for Fyreslayers

Rerolling battle shock is really good for an army that uses units of 20+ models and the Reckless command trait that lets them reroll run/charge is a godsend because they are a footslogging army.

>Bloodbound using Crown of Command
wot, Bloodsecrators make you ignore Battleshock, why would you need to use more inspiring presence?

COC is really amazing for Skaven and Tzeentch but it's very marginal benefit for Khorne.

You have no idea what you're talking about

>>51323717
Most psychopaths actually hide their powerlevel until you confront them and threaten their status.

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>>51322323
order already had all the love, together with chaos
even destruction got 3 updates

give us more death ! it's ridiculous to have a grand alliance so empty !

>>51314673
What the hell is that?

>>51324370
It can't be the White Reaper, they use he pronouns when he talks

>>51324370
>>51325639
Might be people mixing up the Stormcast with the female Freeguild soldier.

>>51325335
But, honestly, what can really be done with death, bar resurrecting TK?
Flesheaters were great, but Soulblights and Malignants I doubt can be really expanded upon, Deathlords and Deathmages are functionally done and Zombies are boring as sin.
Skeletons maybe, but they don't seem very compelling on their own, either.

>>51325673
The one who has like three lines? Yeah, I'm sure...

>>51325804
Oh, I'm sorry, do you have a better explanation, Mister Saucy?

>>51325673
Or people might spew bullshit and have no idea what they are talking about. Which do you think is more likely?

>>51325784
Resurrecting Tomb Kings, a faction of mortal necromancers/death wizards, a ghost-centric faction, expanding the skellie faction with a proper battletome, resurrecting the vampire counts, there's plenty of potential in the Death camp.

>>51325935
The one where a misunderstanding was made, and not the one where someone says a lie with literally nothing to gain.

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>>51325162
Tadaaaa

>>51325784
Aristocratic Vampires (disciplined ranks of troops and vampire count leaders)
Bestial Vampires (bats, dogs, strigoi vampires
Ghosts/spirits faction
Expand deathmages to be a force you bring as allies, like the Ironweld Arsenal
Standard Deathrattle faction
Tomb King Deathrattle faction
Tomb King Reanimant faction
Expand Deathlords to have more elite units. Maybe a version of the Morghasts that are less durable but have shooting attacks?

Just off the top of my head

>>51326139
>Aristocratic Vampires (disciplined ranks of troops and vampire count leaders)
I'd love for Soulblight to get vampire cultists/aspiring vampires as Battleline choices.

For stormfiends. Doomflayer gauntlets or Shock gauntlets?

>>51325784
Dude with a theme as vast as "undeads and necromancers" you could do things for years.

For Deathlords you just use the morghast/abyssal terror as a baseline, then you build on the estethic of "big skeletons with bodies full of souls trapped inside and ebon armor". You keep them always flying and elite, A unit of simil Morghast with ranged weapons, one with scythes that devastate hordes and one of heavy armoured ones with big tower shields. You can use smaller version of abyssal terrors as an unmounted cavalry unit and bigger variants for behemot.

For Deathmages you could do units of cultists, Liches, I'd love a ghost summoner that as an effect similar to the ark of sotek, with ghosts that swarm the battlefield around him. I also feel that this is good faction to add mage-assassin type units (like mages who are also assassins). Think about the Tenebrael Shard but able to cast.

>>51326667
Warpfire Projectors

>>51324672

Are you implying he's a homosexual or scupts crummy models

>>51326667
warpfire or just dont play them.
sell the other 2 on ebay to recoup loss

>>51325162
I was hoping that too, but nope. GW made zero Tzeentchian chaos warriors. We're still getting the new LoC, changeling and horrors at the end of the week.

>>51325784
Get rid of ugly as sin TK skeletons, bring back the newer sculpts under a new banner.

>>51326139
>Bestial Vampires (bats, dogs, strigoi vampires
Flesheaters say hi
Other than that your suggestions boil down to resurrecting the Tomb Kings

>>51327073
Flesheaters are about cannibalistic ghouls, not bestial

How do a faction of ghosts/spirits, expanding existing factions, and aristocratic vampires "boil down to ressurecting tomb kings"?

You are real dumb

>>51327303
You're the real dumbass here. Flesheaters are literally renamed Strigoi vampires, nothing more, nothing less.
Ghost and aristocratic vampire factions do already exist. Oh what wonderful things can you learn from opening the GA book!
>You are real dumb
That's nice coming from a person with the grammar of a ghoul.

>>51327303
Flesh-Eater Court also have a bunch of big monsters that are clearly not just canibals.

>>51327397
>Ghost and aristocratic vampire factions do already exist. Oh what wonderful things can you learn from opening the GA book!
They exist, but only in the same way that savage orks 'existed' in the main Destruction book. They still got a battletome of their own, and became all the better for it, both on the table and in fluff.

Same thing can be done for the various Death factions.

>>51324196

he said it would be overpowerd if I get destruction allegiance abilities and my iron jawz as battleline.

>>51327473
Its not overpowered, Ironjawz are low tier even at their best

>>51327473
Sounds like there's no reasoning with this guy if he's willing to dismiss both the rulebook and the FAQ like that.

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>>51327680
THREAD
>>51327680
FUCKERS

>>51327073
seriously. wtf troll. BEGONE! these are interesting directions.

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Decided my knight questor needed some heraldry. Going to build him a retuine of monks and followers for the hell of it.