Warhammer 40k general

First for Commargh

Second for Rogal Dorn returning with a bionic power fist and punching out Abaddon

So we have the Aeldari meme out of our systems now, let's discuss what they're going to rename the otehr factions.

What do we think they'll call the Tau? What about Orks? Is Necrons a unique enough name already?

>>51266500
Tau will get redesignated to Greater Good and the auxiliaries will come out in droves.
Orks probably get Orruk.
Necrons are fine.

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Which list should I work on for just starting CSM? This?

>>51266425
>Which do you think will be the next Primarch/Primarch equivilent released?
Girlyman of course. It's been foretold since 2nd edition.

>>51266479
RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCKING MEMER.

YOU HAVE 5 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN WHY HELLIONS ARE BAD AND WHY ASSULT 2 S5 BLASTS AND I6 DON'T MAKE THEM GOOD.

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>>51266548
Or this?

>>51266557
>footslogging DE
>melee focus
There you go.

>>51266557
t3 5+ no jink

>>51266570
>footslogging
Jump infantry

>>51266500
T'au is already in Tau tongue, so the High Gothic name would be...
No, I've got nothing.

>>51266588
Blue vagina-head

>>51266586
>do they have a mount?
>are they in a transport?
They're footslogging. So what if they can move 12"? They're still T3 and have a shit save. They also cannot Jink, which is one of the reasons Reavers are as survivable as they are.

>>51266573

This. So much this. Your best hope with them is to deepstrike do some shooting and hope your opponent doesn't blow them off the board.

Also, reavers.

>>51266610
Would you consider bikers to be footslogging?

Why not just have them use cover?

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grav should be AP- Rending
against vehicles 6's should be a random D6 result on the damage table, or maybe even just a crew shaken result.


bikes should be +1W not +1T

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SRS REPLIES ONLY

>>51266632
>Would you consider bikers to be footslogging?
No, because they have mounts. In Reavers' case this gives them T4 and a respectable 3+ Jink.

>Why not just have them use cover?
Because they're melee troops. They'll break cover at some point, and can't benefit from it in combat anyway.

Terms should be 2Ws and have a 1+ Armour save.

>>51266588
T'av

>>51266600
Yeah but in High Gothic

>>51266632

Dangerous terrain tests?

>>51266662

40k should use fantasy style save modifiers instead of AP values first

>>51266657
>they're melee troops
I don't know about that boss.
Shit armour, only one attack, poor strength and ap meanwhile they have two strength 5 blasts each.

Looks like a shooting unit to me.

>>51266655
Aaaaaaah cheKEKed

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1K list for a tournament with relic capture objectives, super diverse list oregano donut steel

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>Orks are a melee race
>I2

Do Orruks in Fantasy-Sigmar loot like their space counterparts in 40k?

I remember someone in the previous thread mentioning Orruk Wyverns, but I thought Wyverns were Empire beasts?

>>51266655
>not taking one set of sponsons on all of them
Less than 1100 barrels of hell/10

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>>51266710

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>>51266710

>>51266691
They have splinter pods not stinger pods.

>>51266500

Ataui.

Aorruksi.

>>51266682
Blue caput eius debent
Google said so
Blueicus Vaginal-Headimus' sounds better though.

>>51266707
If you hate the lack of diversity then why are you playing that army?

If we do have an 8th edition on the way, do you think GW will be doing anything to fight all the bikes, D weapons, and 5-men-in-a-box units?

>>51266727
Is that a grot or an Ork?
so small

>>51266500
Tau is unique enough to stay, as is Orks. Necron is actually trademarked to someone else. Krazy Kev of Palladium.

>>51266747
Oh

I see

Well yeah they do look pretty shitty for 13 points.

>>51266766
I love the lack of diversity. I hate that I even had to put in spawn to fulfill the auxiliary requirement

>>51266784
now imagine that's a whole army.
DE baby

>>51266783

Anecronsi inbound.

Oh also the final boss of FFIX.

...Man, I have not played that game in years, used to be my favourite.

I wonder what would happen if Thanquol and Freya met.

>>51266783
>Tau is unique enough to stay
It's literally a Greek letter. GW aren't trademarking shit, if they couldn't get away with Eldar (which apparently WAS trademarked, according to their miniature boxes).

>>51266788
30 point tax for all those sweet rules is awesome.
If you are so butt hurt, just pay your 30 points, and then don't deploy it.

Going to convert an orky Celestine so my warboss can take the 4++ relic

>>51266810
The name Tau as applied to miniatures is unique enough. Like how Apple trademarked apple in reference to computers.

>>51266810
I don't know how it works in Britain, but Apple has a trademark on "Apple" in the states, so...

>>51266783
Then back to Necrontyr, aka pre-Necron Necrons?
>>51266809
>Anecronsi
Kek

>>51266833
>Looted Saint
I'd allow it.

Anybody got a visual reference for what the difference between a Sunrifle and a Hawk's Talon is? I have no clue what my Exarchs are actually carrying, google is useless, and the codex has no illustrations to help.

>>51266810
Tau means dew in German

>>51266809

>Thanquol and Freya

Thanquol sidles up to Zidane and offers to buy his breeder for 20 warp tokens.

>>51266500
Has anyone suggested that Aeldari might have a Silent A and a Silent I?

Because I'm pretty sure most players will pronounce it like that.

>>51266588
Roseus Spatium Communis-Fasces, IE IE Space Pinko Commie-Nazis.

>>51266755
Also, how bout them Ataui? Aorkis? Anecronis? Atyranidis? Asquatis?

>>51266833
I'm not sure if that'd work rules-wise, though an Ork flying around with angel wings would be a sight to see.

Bonus points if some of the feathers are replaced with chainswords

>>51266901

Mountain Tau.

>>51266912

DO THE TAU

>>51266933
Tau and Aeldaritos

>>51266912
Bergtau

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>>51266903
Tyranicus Voraccio would be a nice name for at least one Tyranid subspecies, even more considering they're named after Tyran, but the whole thing with the changed names are copyright issues.

And tyranids are simply named after a planet in 40k. Can't get more """original""" thn that.

>>51266933

Heck yeah I'd do Torchstar.

What can I say? I have a thing for chicks with full body flame tattoos.

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>>51266954

>>51266933
Taufags confirmed to be edgy preteens?

>>51266902

Zidane: ...40 warp tokens.

>>51266982
No, that's Night Lords.

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>>51266950

If Tau are the Mountain Dew faction, which faction are the doing skateboard tricks on the roof of a skyscraper whilst drinking Pepsi Max faction?

Do any of the minor factions like the Draxians, Reek and so forth make use of Titans or Super-Heavy engines of war?

>>51267002
gsc

>>51267002

Genestealers?

>bringing back robute guilliman
>Eldar to Aeldari

what the fuck is going on with the creative department? since when did this became a fan fic fest?

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>>51267002
>>51267010
>>51267018

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Whatre you guys working on?

I put together these guys to bully my fat gorkanaut

>bring back creeds rules
>bring back all the special characters
>Fearless on yarrick
>keep 3 point conscripts
>BRING BACK LUMBERING BEHEMOTH
>24 inch hot-shots

games workshop please

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>>51266425
I claim this thread for Vostroya.

>>51267022

5E?

>>51267022
Since they started hiring fanfic writers.

>>51267026
finally got more paint, so now painting my guardsmen, have to prime a metric fuckload of other models

>>51266500
>Aeldari
Wait what? What is going on?

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>>51267002
>>51267010
>>51267018
>>51267025
Who's doctor pepper?

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So taloses and cronoses...
What is their role? They look like a MC version of dreadnoughts, but you can squad them and they have a lot of weapon options
And court of the archon, is it worth it? I feel like they'd die pretty quickly, although snake men are cool as fuck. Are they just bodyguards who take wounds for the archon?
Starting dark eldar and I can't see how these 2 units work.

>>51266982
Stuck up preteens.

>>51266514
>Auxiliaries
Yes please

>>51267034
>24 inch hot-shots
I am completely fine with them being 18" but AP3

just give them their pistols back I don't understand why they lost them

>>51267078
Dark Eldar.

>>51267086
Most players prefer incubi to protect their archon. Stick them in a venom, take your compulsory kabalites, and put the rest of your points into bikes

>>51267086
>but you can squad them
you can squad dreadnoughts too

But yeah, they're just meat dreadnoughts.

>>51267086
if you are going to run talos you might as well run the corpse thief claw because thats the only time they are worth their points imo.

>>51266562
>>51266548

Hi there, welcome to the wonderful, psychedelic, rapey world of Emperors Children. Both of your lists look pretty good, but I am leaning towards the first list. Emperor's Children have a problem with taking out vehicles and your first list has a lot more melta to help deal with that. The +1 strength to sonic weapons from maxing out the Kakophoni isn't that great when all of your weapons have shred. I've used the Mayhem formation quite a bit, but its very hit or miss. If you're willing to shuffle around some points and change up your models, I have a few recommendations to make it even better.

>Drop the termie armor on your lord and put him on a Bike
>Get more Bikers with an Icon of Excess
>Put an Icon of Excess on your 10-man unit or drop it down to 5-man for MSU.
>Drop the Helbrute for a 5-man squad of Havoc Autocannons.
>Get rid of the Spawn and use the points to kit your melee lord with the d3 combat drug rolls relic and to fill out some of your other squads.

>>51267126

Do most people even take an Archon? I figured most took a bare naked Haemonculi for shiggles and then maxed out Venoms with Trueborn and Venoms with Kabalites?

>>51267178
Archon comes with the start collecting box and is good when kitted out to fit a purpose.

>>51267086

To be in a Dark Artisan formation and keep your warlord alive.

>>51267194

Local Deldar player seems to swear by a succubus, and his list is pretty razor edge optimised bullshit overall.

>>51267025
Memestealer Cooltists

Uh, Cadia fell? Someone give me the tl;dr.

>>51267194
>tfw my Archon, Succubus, 2 Incubi with Klaivex that charged out of their Venom got absolutely massacred by a single squad of Bloodcrushers with a Herald on Bloodcrusher

Did zero wounds and got ripped a new asshole.

>>51267178
>>51267194
The Archon is good at three things only.
>being an overpriced extra Blaster in your Blaster squad of choice, often comboed with...
>being a wound tank with a Shadow Field, or
>playing mindgames with opponents unfamiliar with DE by taking the Huskblade and running at the most expensive non-2+ dude they can see
A Succubus fights better, a Haemonculus buffs better, and a Court is cheaper.

You'd only really take him otherwise if you just bought Start Collecting and don't have any other choices.

>>51267178

He lacks the punch he had in the 5th ed codex. He's points expensive and he'll fail his shadow field on your own raider exploding.

>>51266909
On that note, has a warboss ever had a Chainswordsword made in canon? It's an oversized chainsword, where instead of little teeth blades it's made of actual swords.

>>51266902
Mentioning any sort of rat-like beings in connection to 40k worries me. Imagine if in the reboot of 40k, Age of Emprah/Age of Skubmar 2: The Skubbening or whatever it gets subtitled, GeeDubs introduce a new race.

They tease rat-like minis. Everyone thinks it's Hrud, and there are finally Space Skaven of sorts. They dream of evil little rats infesting the underhives and causing things to decay just by being in large enough numbers.

And then the reveal that it's... an entirely new rat-like race. Except, now we see their heads it looks more... mousey.

And they're presented as naive good guys that make Tau look like Dark Eldar in comparison.

They're all just rodent-like creatures. They're furry bait, and a "good" race in the 40k setting for real. No implied mass-sterlization. No implication of mind controlled puppets of ethereals. No torture-fetishists. No robots wearing peoples skins. No pointy eared BDSM practitioners that shoot you with shards of poison that'll kill you if you're lucky. No glory-hound commanders losing men for no reason but it makes him look good. No predilection for trying to eat anything smaller than you if it doesn't do wot you sez. No whatever the crap it is that the Adeptus Mechanicus gets up to on Friday Nights.

They bring in a race of happy little furries all called Mickey and Jerry and Itchy and Nibbles and Fievel, and watch as the fanbase explodes in fury, all because this pleases them.

And then they release the Astra Militarium's new kit for the Carlos McConnellian Regiments.

>>51266686
So 2nd edition's rules?

>>51267232
Trazyn caught them all, then released them like a shiny butterfree
Pylons worked, but then blew cadia up
Abbadon got stabbed in the bootyhole
An eldar helped the retreating corpse god's guys go into the webway

I play tau and even i felt kinda stiffed by the lack of plot effort.(not cuz left out, just cuz i know the trend will continue)

>>51267241

Hey, include the stripper mouse from Basil the Great Mouse Detective and I'd buy it.

>>51267276
>Pylons worked, but then blew cadia up
Stop this meme.

Abbadon destroyed Cadia with moon-sized bits of Blackstone Fortress. The pylons had nothing to do with the planet's demise other than being Abbadon's reason for wanting to destroy the planet.

>>51267293
I don't remember such a thing.

>>51267276

The pylons didn't blow up Cadia. It was the fragments of the shattered chaos black fortress.

>>51267241
you know when you point it all out like that it makes 40K seem kind of dark

>>51266500
Orks is already pretty GW i doubt youll see a name change for them, Eldar and Orc werent GW terms unlike Ork.

>>51267276
Spoiler alert for the Tau's end time event:

Someone refuses to share their sweets with everyone else in an Earth Caste classroom when the teacher says 'I hope you brought enough for the whole sept'. This act of selfishness heralds the return of the Mont'au. Tau society collapses in hours as everyone begins to hoard their food, refuse to tip, decline the 'donate to charity' option on E'Bay, refuse to let their little sister have a turn on the computer, start buying unsanctioned 28mm wargames like Unfinity and Snowcemetery, and drink straight from the milk bottle.

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>>51267126
Are at least these things good?
I want some fucking snakemen in my army

>>51266557
A stiff breeze will prevent them from remaining alive.

>>51267349
they are tankier than pretty much everything else in your army so they have that going for them.

>>51266710
>bs2

>>51267342
Good gods how horrifying.

What next, Are they gonna just whip it out and pee, and not wash their hands because they didnt actually touch anything?

>>51267349
For the points, they're pretty decent.
Although, you can just use your Archon as a Lhamaean for that sweet sweet 10pt HQ.

>>51267349
Stick 2 of them in a venom with a Succubus for majority T5

Hello loyalists, heretics, and xenos.
I would like to consult my fellow tau brothers of the greater good.
I currently have no big suits in my army. The local game shop has a 30% off on all gw things till early next month. I was wondering what I should buy. I hear rip tides are. Must and that ghost keels are really good. I however have no desire for a stormsurge. What would you friend folk recommend for me? I have like 4 broadside, a ton of crisis suits and fire warriors, as well as 2 hammerhead and devilfish

>>51267309

There is literally a stripper mouse in a Disney movie, yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e2IctxaCPqw

>bought small painted army
>bought rulebook
>bought codex
>bought datacards

What else do I need to get before I step foot in a GW store and play ball?

>>51267349
Take 3 snakes and 2 medusae in a venom as your HQ and have fun burning marines and punching tanks to death.

>>51267445
Dice, templates, and a tape measure

>>51267400
More broadsides. Buy Kroot, vespids, nd Guardsmen to convert into Gue'vesa. Auxiliaries, HOOOOO

>>51267086
I see Talks as the backup weapons, say you're haywire courtesy mishap DSing well never fear there's a bulky meatman coming to pop that LR or whatever

As I Corpsethief Claw is amazing by DE standards

>>51267460

I have regular dice, but do I need my own scatter die?

>>51267461
Aren't gue'Vesa incredibly underwhelming? I would be nice if there were gue'ron'Sha that went to tau. Also I forgot to mention that I do have kroot and an ethereal. As for vespids... every video I see of them they just get destroyed. Why would I bother??

>>51267086
Talos/Cronos is just a meat Dreadnought.

Court of the Archon needs to be able to join units along with the Archon, like Celestine and the Gemini or a Tau Commander and his Drones. Make it so that access to the Court at all is dependent on the Archon and it's part of the reason to take one in the first place.

>>51267400
Get a Riptide they are Tau TEQ after all

>>51267401
>http://www36.zippyshare.com/v/y2AkQeRc/file.html
>burlesque
>strippers
Not quite.

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>>51267461
>>51267520
If your Vespid are losing, you're using them wrong.

>>51267520
Because Tau arent for big suits, they're for an allied coalition of species, thats why bother. Dont run the guardsmen as Gue'vesa, just convert them into proxy fire warriors.

>>51266655
VanceStubbs/10

>>51267400
At 30% off, I'd pick up a single Riptide and a Ghostkeel. They're very strong suits, but outside of they're formation if you kill the marker lights they're pretty gimped but still strong if they land a hit. If anyone complains about you using the Riptide in games over 1500, they can fuck right off to their "I hate Tau safe space". It's after 1250 or so that most armies can bring their power units without giving up to much in the way of "boys over toys".

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I've posted this before, but I'm still looking for feedback on this list. This is just one of my Casual lists, and I'm primarily looking to use the Castellans detachment as an excuse to bring my Rough Riders.

Any thoughts?

>>51267621
Rough riders are fun buy rumors for you face to get in plasma range without getting shot to shit

>>51267488
Depends on if you're using any blast weapons.

What army?

Y does Chaplin Cassius still have a face in the genesteler cult game?

Y no skull?

>>51267677

Why is the second in command also an ultramarine? Nepotism!

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>>51267178
>a bare naked Haemonculi for shiggles
If you want to minimize wasted points on HQ you actually just take one 15 point Lhamaean.

>>51267666
Wat. Are you somehow suggesting that I need a longer ranged weapon for my tactical squads? I can switch out the Plasma Guns for missile launchers if that helps.

>>51267520
Basically you are playing a good codex, great if you cheese it, why not switch it up. Vespid arent bad, they are average in a great codex. Like i said here>>51267461
>>51267581
This can be way more fun than just 'wow look at my mechas, nobody can call me a WAACfag or a weeb with THESE'
Dont be a bitch. Do this faction how it was supposed to, and dont fall into the pitfalls of the Tau-stigma

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What the hell is up with flamer of Tzeentch hands?

>>51267704
I'm not sure what he meant, but don't use MLs. Worse than las at killing vehicles and worse than... anything else for killing MEQ or worse.

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>>51267677
Because he's not wearing his helmet. 40k has had bare-headed chaplains for a long time.

>Find a guy playing DE in the store
>Its just Kabilites in a Venom and a WWP Archon with a Wraithguard blob
>The rest is just Wraithknights and Scatbikes

I'd rather DE be pure shit and never be taken than see them in this sorry state

>>51267025
I like that he already comes with a vape on his model.

>>51267741

They should have bare chested chaplains, to show their faith in the emperor's protection.

>>51267488
Only if you have things that scatter ie deepstrikers, blasts, etc.

>>51267694
Wasnt that flamertemplate-dude a bit better? Atleast it has a bit of something going on, unlike Lhamaean.

>>51267349
Wait, when the hell did snakemen get into 40k? Not that I'm complaining, but there's an XCOM army in the works here.

>>51267547
not gonna lie, I didnt believe this post till I opened up my codex and saw that this was true... wow vespid really are awesome. I dont have any units with fleet so it would be nice to use something with different abilities.
>>51267581
I dont understand all of the big suit stuff that is constantly brought about then since every battle report has riptides and ghostkeels. How would I convert them into proxy fire warriors? isnt that an allies of convenience sorta thing? I am still very new
>>51267706
what's a WAACfag? I am open to playing Tau for whichever way is the most fun. I honestly had a blast just playing some kill team games and jump packing away from dudes charging me

>>51267667
>>51267766

I'll just bring basic stuff like bolter marines and rhinos for now, then. thanks.

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>>51267741
No Cassius lost half his face when he was nommed by nids in the tyrannic war

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>>51267754
Bare chested is sanctioned for The Companions only?

>>51267771
The point of the prozzer is that she's 10 points.if you want the Medusa to kill som thing you need to buy it a transport

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>>51267754
>They should have bare chested chaplains
Bangles try

>>51267789
They're part of a Archon's command squad I believe. Use to they were a one per, but now I think you can cherry pick your retinue.

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This is how I plan to run castellens,
>inb4 no coteaz.
How are you supposed to run it without coteaz?
It's not like that's not going to be errata'd

>>51267806
What does that have to do with his head being bare or not?

>>51267677
it's pre-behemoth

>>51267693
pish-posh, it's purely merit based

The real answer is the white consul was most likely his second, which is why he lead the original mission. They just didn't expect that much resistance.

>>51267827
*his special rule won't be errat'd

>>51267806
>>51267840
>>51267677
Oh. My bad, I completely misunderstood the complaint.

>>51267846 is right. The Cult of the Four Armed Emperor is past events.

>>51267790
I have 20 vespid I use on occasion. With markerlight support and smart positioning, they jump through ruins and roast MEQ alive, including any monsters with a 3+ most of the time.

If you don't have your own models or hate how they look, you can always convert some tau firewarriors with different looking/larger guns and makeshift jumppacks

I wanna build my space marine stuff but I can't decide on a chapter.

What is a good chapter to play I can also do in 30k?

Is it possible to do Salamanders without paying a gorrilian dollars for multimelta bits for each squad?

I also like space wolves.

Imperial Fists, crimson fists and black templars are also okay but not sure.

Is there a book I can read with just every chapter origin in it I have been reading through horus heresy and am up to Thousand Sons but Salamanders and Wolves haven't really appeared more than cameo characters.

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>>51267789
Sslyth. They're mercenaries and part of the Dark Eldar Court of the Archon in game.

>>51267790
For conversions, i cut the heads off Cadians, put a Fire Warrior head, backpack, and shoulderpad on them. Its one of the moments where if anyone asks what they are, you just say 'they are fire warriors' and most wont care.

Tau started off as a race that didnt use big robot suits. They believed in a gunline of fluid, mobile troops in troop transports, and suits like Crisis suits, which could move around easily and adapt to situations. The company realized bigger robots brought more people in, so they said fuck the lore, and pushed bigger ones into the story, like Riptides, Stormsurges, and the Supremacy Suit(the Ghostkeel isnt as bad in my opinion, it serves a purpose, ehich is supposed to be the point of tau tech, purpose-built). A WAAC is 'win at all costs'

Im sorry to go off on a rant, i just love to see some good old aliens banded together, without all the biggest and baddest mechs thrown in just because.

>>51267909
I want to give them pulse blasters.

Last dark eldar question
If I take kabalites with a dark lance in a raider, can the dark lance man fire if the raider moves?

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>>51267961
Here is a pic of some Vespid stand-ins for reference

>>51267915
If you want to gimp your lists just to keep them complaint with 30k, go with something in the vanilla codex. SW and BT use a lot of units outside of their legion roots, so you couldn't play them in HH.

>>51267970
I believe so.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think vehicles give the units inside Relentless. I don't know how travel distance affects them even though I play DE myself...My boats usually blow up before they get to shoot.

>>51267970
No only snapshots

>>51267984
Why do they have brooms.

>>51267812
Oh I was under impression that you DID buy your HQ a venom since its cheapest way in the codex to get that venom.

>>51267996
This is wrong. Units inside count as having moved if the transport moves.

Now that elder are officially being renamed, what will they call Orks?

>>51267996
Vehicles guns are relentless not passengers

>>51267991
Nah I don't wanna gimp them I mean something I could paint similar color scheme later in 30k.

I don't plan on crossing the streams except maybe interspersing random 30k troops as vets maybe.

>>51268003
So they can sweep those marines off the board in shooting phase.

>>51268013
Astra Orruks? Why name them something different just because it's the future?

>>51268003
Round the chimney, step in time
Round the chimney, step in time
Never need a reason, never need a rhyme
Round the chimney, step in time

While this is a topic. I saw a guy field a sicarian tank Form the horus heresy in a normal 40k game, can i use any unit (like for example the EC kakophonie-unit or contemptors) of is it limited to only some models?

>>51268000
>>51268014
So then, I'm assuming it's a waste of 20 points to take one? Is it better to run kabalites just bare 10 in a raider with splinter racks and aether sales?

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Trying to do a Castellans of the Imperium list at 1500 points. R8 and H8.

I've made some questionable choices fuelled by my love of chaplains.

>>51268024
The only loyalists that change colors post-heresy are Dark Angels and Space Wolves. Everyone else keeps their scheme.

>>51268012
>>51268014
Alright, thanks. I don't get to play much.

>>51268041
The same reason we dont call Germans 'the Huns' or Asians 'chinaman', or gays 'Mary's'

Cuz we have different, better names for them like Nazis, Chinks.
But i still like to ask people if i look like a Mary, why did we lose that one

>>51266425
I'm glad you like this OP, anon. It seems to be one of my least popular.

>>51267915
Google "Index Astartes [chapter name]" there were a series of articles in White Dwarf and most are available as pdfs in one place or another.

Here's Salamanders.
http://mork.synology.me/side/warhammer/Index%20Astartes%20Salamanders.pdf

Alternatively just check out Lexicanum.and the 40k wiki

>word bearers are great at fighting!
>lost calth

>>51268064
not legal, needs units of another faction.

>>51267026

Going for one of the classic Ork walker walls?

>>51268129
>word bearers are great at fighting!
>said no one ever

>>51267915
Index Astartes is available for download in the OP.

>>51268129

To be honest, were they actually expected to win at Calth?

Or were they just expected to cause havoc in Ultramar, disrupting any Ultramarine response to Horus's treachery for some time?

>>51268130
Shit, you're right. Back to the drawing board.

>>51268013
>what will they call Orks
GW actually has Ork, with the K, trademarked. They changed WHFB Orcs to Orruks because they were "Orcs" with a C, but I don't think they need to bother renaming our futuristic fungal friends.

>>51268181
why didn't they just rename them orkz in fucking AOS
Orruks is stupid

>>51268129
>Word Bearers are the most zealous if within 6" of a Dark Apostle
>have Crusader

>>51268064
>>51268178
Just Free up the points to add in Coteaz. He's basically mandatory.

>>51268181
Is Eldar not trademarked as well? What about Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids?

>>51268194
GW works in mysterious ways.

>>51268155
Lorgar sent all his retards and anyone suspected of not worshipping hard enough to Calth. He never expected them to win, only to kill Ultramarines and summon Daemons.

>>51268155
The word bearers expected to. Horus merely figured they'd tie the ultramarines up for long enough to make their contribution to earth nonexistent.

New fluff has lorgar going "no I meant to lose" too, because chaos isn't allowed to make a mistake. (see; "no really horus was meant to lose abaddon is the REAL chosen of chaos")

>>51268242
>"no really horus was meant to lose abaddon is the REAL chosen of chaos"

Just as the Cabal has foreseen.

>>51268242
Honestly, I'm fine with >>51268239
But I don't like the Abbaddon is our real chosen bit of the fluff. My headcanon is that Abbaddon is the second choice, y'know what I mean? Horus is erased from existance, so might as well grab this Big Guy.

Reading up on Necron fluff.

They seem to be able to jump into and out of the matirium fairly easily by "moving between dimensions" if they arent using the webway, or the warp. How the hell are they getting around so freely?

>>51268218
I think Eldar is used in other settings in fantasy and sci-fi. I doubt they have the trademark on it.

I am pretty confident they already have Tau and Tyranids locked down. However someone did once explain to me some issues with GW nids and blizzards Zerg at some point in GWs history.

Odd question, does anyone got pics of the assembly guide for belisarius cawl? I got him from my friend's triumverate but he has the assembly guide.

>>51268239

Did he send Erebus then to direct their efforts with a steady hand?
as well?

And wait, doesn't that imply Eliphas from Dawn of War was suspected of having a lack of faith?

Wasn't he involved in Calth or one of the campaigns in Ultramar according to Dawn of War?

>>51268218
Eldar is a name for elves that comes from Tolkien. Tyranids and Necrons are trademarked by them, Tau isn't.

>>51268337

Don't tell lies. You bought a chink belisarius, didn't you?

>>51268337

Belasaurus Rex

http://imgur.com/a/hPs3t

>>51268371
>model came out last weekend
>wow you must have got it from chinaman
Come on dude. I doubt China even has molds of him ready to go yet, let alone the shipping time of an order placed for him.

>>51268368
I mean there is a reason why he's called the Inheritor and not "Eliphias the wow you really did something cool get get a high rank dude"

>>51268368
Kor Phaeron, but he ran away as soon as he saw what was going down and his forces were losing.

>>51268278
Is the cabal even cannon anymore?

>>51268332
Zero issue with the name. But there's certainly some back and forth between GW and Blizz on the looks and feel of their respective space bugs.

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>>51268371
Besides what
>>51268393
Said, I have pics to prove legitimate plastic.

>>51268194
Presumably to "avoid confusion"

Who came up with Blue Spacegoats first, Warcraft, 40k, or other?

>>51268473
Meant to quote >>51268425 not shas'o.


>>51268393
Thanks.

>>51268278
yeah, and the cabal is really fuckin' dumb

>>51268286
I just don't see any appeal in making every traitor character machiavellian. Lorgar's all about emotional appeal, and him immediately sending the bulk of his legion AND one of his top captains to crush (what lorgar/the word bearers saw as) the emperor's chosen legion fit.

Like, they'd already long gone into chaos. They'd been doing it long before horus even got corrupted. There's no point in having a second purge, on the scale of [most of your entire over-strength legion] just because.

>>51268484
>Blue Spacegoats
who?

>>51268511
Tau/Dranei

>>51268511

draenai vs tau

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What do you guys think of the viability of using lost and damned for kill team
>I'm also thinking of homebrew regiment
>I call them the terror legion
>after there give planet was attacked by the night lords the survivors began worshipping Konrad Curze and the concept of fear itself
>they are travel around the eastern fringe s from planet to planet sowing fear and terror
>they basically function as an army of slasher villains(think Jason,Michael Myers,leather face,etc.) led by worshippers of the nighthaunter and what he stood for
Last question if a lost and damnded army is viable in kill team should I run this home brew

>>51268511
Tau/Draenei
Just the goat legs, tho

>>51268524
>>51268525
Oh. Tau predate WoW-style "pretty" Draenei. But Broken-style Draenei predate Tau. They aren't really all that similar though.

>>51268526
>huge model count

You'll trash people. You can lock down someone's entire army in CC and kill them with weight of dice.

>>51268453
yeah thats right, I remember it being a source of conversation when the first Dawn of War RTS came out, and why nids got left out.

>>51267609
>>51267609
>>51267609
What's the font used in this pic?

>>51267961
while I get that and all, other people will abuse and use their extremely annoying special units to ruin my day so why not have at least one rip tide or ghostkeel in my arsenal in order to combat this?

>>51268610
What do the other people in your group/at your store play?

>>51267034
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Master Crafted Flashlight" bullshit that's going on in the 40k system right now. Lasguns deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself received a lasgun when I completed my training (that's about 40 minutes) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even melt through slabs of plasteel with my lasgun.

Adeptus Mechanicus smiths spend seconds using an STC to make a single lasgun and don't even bother testing it to produce the finest guns known to the Imperium.

Lasguns are thrice as shooty as bolt weapons and thrice as accurate for that matter too. Anything a vulcan mega bolter can shoot through, a lasgun can shoot through better. I'm pretty sure a lasgun could easily vaporize a Carnifex with an Extended Carapace with a simple trigger pull.

Ever wonder why Abaddon never succeeded in taking Cadia? That's right, he was too scared to fight the disciplined Imperial Guard and their lasguns of destruction. Even in the 13th black crusade, Chaos soldiers targeted the Guardsmen with the lasguns first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Lasguns are simply the best weapon that the universe has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for Lasguns:

(Lasgun) 72' Range S9 AP1 Assault 9 Melta Blast Sniper Rending Lance Ignores Invulnerable Saves

(Lascannon) 96' Range S:D/D/D AP1/1/1 Assault 9+2D6 Apocalyptic Mega-blast Barrage

Now that seems a lot more representative of the dakka power of lasguns in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Lasguns need to do more damage in 40k, see my new stat block. (Or, failing that, the rules for the Lucian Pattern Hellgun in the Rogue Trader RPG.)

>>51268610
Frankly I don't see any issue at all with "a" Riptide or even two. It's more a Riptide Wing with a Drone Net where things enter the no fun zone.

>>51268628
is this pasta

>>51268665
I'm fine with a Riptide for every 1000 points. Preferably one with a Burst cannon though so it isn't completely samey and spammy though.

It's when you get them under 1000 points, or in larger numbers in formations that the trouble starts and it just gets to be annoying to play against. Even outside of matters of being overpowered, they're just big guns that never die.

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+450 points for 5 Remora Stealth Drones, so 2000 points

>>51268736
Katanas.

>>51268736
Yes, it's the Katana pasta

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>>51268628
>Ever wonder why Abaddon never succeeded in taking Cadia?

>>51266713
No wyverns were primarily orc only
Empire could take them as a borrowing from the Imperial Zoo

Other than Legion, are there any other Black Library books about the Alpha Legion?

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Alright, So I suppose I'm starting up necrons, I got a box of Immortals and a tomb spyder from a friend who decided he didn't want them anymore. For paint I'm thinking to go with the Thokt style, but do a different glow effect for each unit that way I can practice it. That leaves playstyle. I've been reading a bit off the 1d4chan tactics page, and from what I've heard from the threads Reclaimation legion seems to be the army worth running. What is needed for it? I suspect the Monolith in the GW box set also isn't required considering how many people say they are toss now.
I'm also interested to know what the best load out for an HQ is now as I've heard good things about command barges.

I also want to do a bit of converting, to this army, thinking about replacing nearly every regular necron with the deathmark heads....possibly getting another tomb spider to convert into a destroyer lord. Thoughts? Suggestions?

so the OP image might have actually answered my question for me, but I want more opinions.
I want to make a Doctor Doom inspired army and call it my legion of Doom bots.

Which should I pick, Admech/Skitarii or Necrons?

>>51269002
necrons

>>51269002
Necrons, obviously.

>>51269018
>>51269013
Who should my Doctor Doom be?

>>51269031
A suitably converted overlord

>>51269031
convert your own, I'd give him a flayed one hand, greenstuff a flowling cloak to make him look like he's floating, and then maybe add a staff.

>>51269031
Make a custom Phaeron.

>>51269051
>>51269055
Thank you!

>>51268994
CCB were good. Not anymore. You cant go wrong with Reclsmation Legion. Add Canoptek Harvest and you'll have very good army (tier1,5).

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>>51266425

With Cadia kill, does that mean Catachan is now the basic template of guardsman?

>>51269106
No, because people don't watch Rambo anymore so the joke doesn't work.

>>51269097
So what is the "Required" out of Reclaimation legion?
This is the first time hearing about C Harvest though, what's that about?

>>51269106
Doesn't the codex say that, since Cadian soldiers fought and resettled on so many worlds, they're now the basic guardsman template?
Even if literal Cadia is gone, their descendants and conquered places dress and fight like Cadians.
No more "muh birth rate = conscription rate" though

>>51267034
Lumbering Beheamoth definitely needs to be back. Creed rules should be brought back. For Cadia! was my favorite order.

Straken needs his old rules back. 12 inch bubble of Furious Charge and Counter-Attack. He also needs to be 90 points, not 130. He got 35 point tax for weakening his rules. It's bullshit. Bring back Bodyguards too and allow them to take a Power Weapon as their only options. Give the Bodyguards a 2+ Look Out Sir as long as they are alive so that Company Commanders don't suffer in close combat so hard.

Bullgryn and Ogryn need to be 15 points cheaper. Bullgryn upgrade needs to be 10 points. T5 and 3W is good and all, but if they can't do much damage, they don't need to be so many points.

>>51269179
What did the For Cadia! order do, anon? Tell me about the good times.

>>51269179
I'm still pissed that they removed or nerfed fucking every special character
seriously what the fuck for?

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>Noob-40K here

There are DINOSAUR skull headed tech priests?!

>>51269227

They're the evil guys. See: Draykavac.

>>51269164
CH is spyders, wraiths and little beetle thingies. Spyders buff scarabs and wraiths near them, giving Reanimation protocols. Makes them much more sturdier and theformation is righrfully feared/hated.

>>51269227
Only the bad guys get dinosaurs, dragons, and daemons.

>>51268562
So what your saying is that it's viable but extremely cheesy

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>>51269227
And Magos that have chainsaws in their dino-skulls.

>>51269261
Ah I see now....thine eyes are open.

So...What should an average army at round 2k-2.5k look like?

>>51269227
When you live as long as Magi do, you start getting bored with plain old gas masks.

>>51269208
It gave the squad Fearless and Furious Charge. Back then Creed had 24 inch order range and Furious Charge back then gave +1 Initiative too. That meant I could charge in my 40 man blob with 4 Power Weapon Sergeants and a Commissar with a Power Weapon who would hit with S4 and I4. Back then Power Weapons were AP2 and the wound system was different so you had to hack through tons of bodies to get to the Power Weapons. Kell could also be taken with any Company Commander.

I also miss the days of the Ruff Rider's lance being S5 and I5 on the first charge. Now it's just S5, but that won't do much if it's a squad of T3/5+ hitting at I3.

I like some of the changes to the Guard codex and some of the stuff in 7th Edition, but I felt they needlessly took things out. I know there was the whole dispute with no model = no unit, but it's just a shame. They took out some of the more creative Special Characters that could change the way your army worked. I like Priests a lot now though. I can still do big blob squads and I love Tank Commanders. Also if I use a Tank Commander it's more likely I'll get the Warlord Trait to outflank units, so that's nice. Can still mimic Al'Raheem a little sometimes.

>>51269222
This upsets me too. I used Al'Raheem and Chenkov very often. Bastone was fun too. Al'Raheem was the star for me because an entire outflanking platoon was hilarious. Suddenly 80 men in the enemies back line. Also I miss Penal Legions. They were silly, but super fun.

>>51268789
>Shas Obama

>>51268789
>no Seal Team (6)

>>51269289
If you take a lot of dudes, yes.

Also you can't do much else outside of that because you can't take your HQ that lets you use not!Scions or other fancy options.

>>51268789
> Tiger shark is Superheavy Flyer with 2 Hull Points
This is a very blatant mistake, that should obviously mean STRUCTURE POINTS. Which if it's 2 STRUCTURE POINTS, that then translates to 6 Hull Points.

Otherwise Shas'obama/10

>>51269312
2k+ games are rarer. Usually 40k is played at 1500-1850. But if its power you want, google what "Orikan Star" is.

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New player here with Black Templars. This is my first attempt at a Battleforged list. This is the most I can build with my current models, but I wanna know how it looks so far.

>>51269349
Say that to Belisarius Cawl who is 10,000 years old and is wearing a rebreather.

>>51269453
huh, 2k is what I used to play all the time back in 5th and 6th with my daemons. alright lets assume 1500 to 1850 then since things seem to have changed.

Also will do.

>>51269368
Hunting Lance is still S5 I5 on first charge.

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Alright, saw that other dudes crusade list and I couldn't help myself.

I never wanted anti-tank anyway

>>51269179
Lumbering behemoth should just be how it works for all heavy vehicles.

>>51269490
This is why fags should stop using the list builder.

If you actually read the fucking codex you would know that list is illegal.

>>51269490
You can't do that, Anon.

>>51269514
>It's the List Builder's fault people don't know how to use it properly.

>>51266635
This, nothing makes my monstous Tyranids feel more worthless than grav

>>51269531
Faggots who don't know the fine points of the codex use list writing software to make illegal garbage and them post it here.
It happens time and again and is proof that list builders should be used to supplement writing a list and no replace it. Know your codex before you use fast track software.

>>51269559
Fair enough, thought you were using the generic fag to mean anyone.

>>51269516
>>51269514
Why can't he? I thought you could take units from other armies as long as they were allied? is there specific rules for what can / can't come?

I've not read the rulebook(s) yet.

>>51269490
>Conscripts with no platoon

illegal/10

Speaking of Castellan detachment, can anyone tell me if Yarrick can give Astra Militarum orders to Stormtrooper squads I see why not but I want to be sure.

>>51269489
My bad. I thought they were armed with Power Lances in this edition. I even got the Power Lance stat wrong too. Thanks for the heads up.

>>51269453

>Orikan Star

alright not gonna lie I like that...a lot...I also really like how Orikan looks. Defiantly a runner up for how to build my list as I have an abundance of Nurgle players in my area that love nothing more than to Camp an objective.

>>51269464
Your gonna want to make all the Dev's have the same weapon. Mixing weapons ends bad. Plasma pistols are ok. In my opinion typically a waste of points. Otherwise looks fine,

>>51269577
>select a single friendly non-vehicle unit from Codex: Astra Militarum
pretty cut and dry

elite choice stormtroopers get IG orders
troop/HQ choice stormtroopers get MT orders

no mixing

>>51269490
> Another anon bringing 30 Rough Riders to the CADIAN CRUSADE.
BATTLE BRUVA. MAY WE DIE GLORIOUSLY IN BATTLE, MAY YOUR BOLTER RUN DRY FROM PURGING, AND MAY YOUR SWORD NEVER GO A DAY WITHOUT TASTING THE BLOOD OF THE HERETIC.

I feel amazingly silly taking the shootiest chapter tactic of them all, and using it to run HONOUR GUARD, while constantly taking melee lists to all of my games. There is nothing more glorious than a death in honourable melee combat!

>>51269579
Hell they would be better if they had p.lances. shame you cant take 4ed ones without lances. Two fastmoving special weapons would be pretty good.

>>51267445
Your models. That is it. Use battlescribe, their dice, their measuring tapes, their templates.
That is what I do everytime.

>>51269470
Hey. Some people and or machines are just traditionalists. I'm sure he adds new dial every now and then, or switches out old grey tubes for those slick new shiny black tubes every once in a century.

>>51269644
>anon is a freeloading cunt the post

>>51269635
>There is nothing more glorious than a death in honourable melee combat!
Thats what I always tell my gloomy Ruststalkers when they, once again, have to suicide-charge something ten times bigger bugger than they are.

Are there any pdfs of the Carcharodons :Red Tithe out there?

>>51269675
Meh, I have dice from them unlike him but my GW's got loads of templates and tapes and shit.

>>51267621
2001 points of unbound aye?

2 reasons I would never play with you

>>51269514
>>51269531
>>51269559
He's using the new Castellans of the Imperium detachment, which lets you take a fun mixture of units from most of the AOI factions, like Astra Militarium alongside space marines. It's essentially a DOUBLE-CAD on steroids, with mandatory 2-4 HQ and 4+ Troops, 0-3 LOW, and 0-6 everything else. You get respawning troop choices and army-wide Hatred.

>>51269710
Lel, it's a Castellans detachment. Current list-builder doesn't have that yet so I just set it to unbound.

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>>51269711
I'm aware, and both of you are retarded for still not getting the point.

If you READ THE BOOK you are taking units from you would know you cannot take Conscripts by themselves. They have to be in a platoon.

Fuck, look at Castellans itself, it says so there too.

>>51269490
You really should put Coteaz in there.

>>51269711
>>51269721

That particular list isnt a legal Castellan, it has Conscripts without a platoon so its an unbound list.

Read your codex and read the rules of the detachment in question, then you can correct others.

Anyone know if bare marine heads fit on scouts? Or do they look too large/out of proportion?

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Getting back into the game after years of not playing, and I have a bunch of Dark Angels stuff I could dust off. Is this a good Ravenwing list? I'm assuming my meta will be MEQ/Marines, and I'm just going to start off at 1k and go from there.

Speaking of conscript, I always had this idea to represent one platoon of this a some worker militia composed of factory workers more or less voluntarily enrolled during the siege of their hive city. Think to what the soviet did at Stalingrad for example.

Any idea on how to represent them (ie useful bits and stuff) ?

>>51269750
bruh, I'm not the one taking conscripts w/out platoons. I'm the retard making an all-melee list with Raptors tactics.

>>51266635
Let bikes keep +1 T, take away jink and give it to jump infantry instead. Only mounted weapons like TL bolters and multi-meltas get relentless too.

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>>51269790
Got you bro, you keep on being you.

>>51269638
To me I think it's amazing that they get into close combat one time. 10 T3/5+ dudes is so paper thin. I prefer the Hunting Lances because I5 will strike first against most armies. If they had Power Lances I feel like they would die before getting to swing, because I doubt they would ever get the chance to charge at full 10 man strength.

I just hope they replace Rough Riders someday with Guard bikers. They could even be similar, Hunting Lance, but they get T4 and maybe 4+ save and the ability to take special weapons. Now that anon told me they still hit at I5, I'm tempted to start my Scout Biker count as Rough Rider unit.

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>>51269819
>>>/a/

>>51266500
>What about Orks?

Krorks. They've already brought it up.

>>51269839
I did a very lulzy experiment. 10 RR + Celestine. Celestine drew fire but tanked it all like a bosses and then proceed to lead them into three glorious charges which eventually won me the game since it disturbed my tau opponents objective grabbing so badly.

>>51269915
I much prefer "The Krork" over Krorks, but it's all the same. I'd be pleased to see if a Black Orc type unit was added, more akin to ye olde Krork before they slid into snotlingdom.

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If he was at Cadia, what would his reaction be at the end when the IoM was saved and is now working with filthy xenos, with Eldrad that he just shot in the face was there too?

>>51269958
I think Celestine would have to hold him while Cawl fed him his own Stasis Grenade to get hin play along.

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>>51267909
Why make jump packs when you could convert jetbikes?

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>>51266909

All you'd need is a Detachment with Celestine in it. The rules for taking Celestine's relics clearly state that an ARMY containing her may select them for any character who can take relics.

>>51269925
Aren't they crap after their first charge is over?

>>51270127
Huh. So it is. Neat loophole. Any thoughts as to which one you're going to stick on your Orks?

Also, are you going to give your Ork saint a couple Stormboy bodyguards?

>>51269638
You can still take 2 special weapons in their squad.

>>51270139
Pretty much. If you give them Special Weapons or a Power Weapon on the Sergeant they aren't terrible after 1 round of combat, but they are only 10 bodies, so unless they destroyed first round of combat, they're going to suck.

I do have a question though. They have Hunting Lance, Laspistol and a Close Combat weapon. Does the pistol+weapon combo only give +1 attack if you use those to fight, or does it give +1 to be used with the Hunting Lance?

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>>51269958

>>51270169
They won't give the +1 attack if you're using the lance.

>>51270212
Okay, that's what I thought, but I saw someone use it to get +1 for the Lance and so I got confused.

>>51270223
They probably didn't read their codex. Hunting lances are specialist weapons.

>>51270212
Is the hunting lance a specialist weapon?

>>51270240
oh fuck me

>>51270078

I tried that before. The results were horrible. Fortunately, wargamesexclusive took the concept and ran with it so I don't have to do a shitty conversion.

>>51270127
>Celestine leading a unit of Digganobz

Do it anon

>>51269958

Does his rules give his combi-flamer infinite shots or something? Why does he have a power/fuel cable connecting to it?

>>51270301
Looted Celestineeeeee!

>>51269599

I thought the variety of options might help and make modeling more fun.

What weapon would you recommend?

>>51270158
Doesnt work. Only battle brothers share special rules.

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>>51270325
Actually, yes. Doesn't have the one use only rule.

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>>51270158

Skull of Petronella is funny in a Green Tide. Giving 100+ models a 6++ save is pretty decent. You could also include a Weirdboy rolling on Sanctic Daemonology to try and buff it to a 5++. 4++ save on your Warboss is decent too, and it gives him a 12" immunity to deep strike. Stick this in a Dread Mob and you reduce the possibility of Drop Pod melta taking your shit out on turn 1.

>>51270301

Oh there's an Ork candidate in canon already...

>>51269958
At what point did Space Marines acting like the xenos-purging, traitor-hating, psycho-indoctrinated transhuman killing machines that they are stop being the norm?

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>>51270389
>soulstorm
anon...

>>51270389
>Looted wings

Genius. I'd say the 4++ on a Warboss might be the better option, as it's be hard to actually field Celestine alongside a Green tide. A 5++ on a tide sounds terrifying though.

The others feel like a bit of a waste. Orks already have decent melee relics, and the shooting ones would be more lackluster there.

Supposing all this works though, that also means one could make their own version of Farsight by sticking the sword on a Tau Crisis Commander.

>>51266425
>thread has an appropriate image and also a filled out subject line
take a picture

>>51270459
Say what you like about Soulstorm but Gorgutz is legit af. Stubbs too if you discount the 100 Baneblades meme.

So how long till that new Ork book GW?

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With the Triumvirate of the Imperium do you need to field them in special detachments? I was told I could have Greyfax lead my Deathwatch army, is that possible? These dudes are confusing me rules wise.

New to 40k, picked Raven Guard as /myguys/
How cucked am I