>Google Drive https://drive.google.com/folderview ?id=0B2

File: JC4.jpg (58KB, 650x482px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 650x482px

>>51265386
Sounds like about right. Demon Buddhas are totally a thing; Maitreya's a boss in SMT 4: Apocalypse.

>>51264804
"I ought to kill you RIGHT NOW." Knives growled. But he didn't, oddly enough, shoot.

His glaring expression gradually changed, and he pulled back his gun. "You know what? Just putting a bullet through your head isn't enough." He said, rather calmly.

"You're healing pretty quickly, aren't you? I don't think bullets can kill you." Knives continued. My leg shifted, my body forcing the bullets out. They rolled on the gravel of the desert. I struggled to breathe. His heel pressed down on my throat.

"Let's see if choking kills you. I'd like to see you die slowly right under my heel."

This would be a hilariously ironic way to go, considering that I killed Kefka this way. But not so funny when you're the one dying.

A gunshot banged. Followed by more shots. Knives was forced to remove his heel as he staggered back. Vash's face was flat in it's expression. Smoke drifted from his white gun.

"Who the FUCK are you, asshole!?!" Katsumi demanded, pointing my Peacemaker in Knives's direction as well. It wasn't smoking. "Get your heel off my MOM'S throat right now."

I scrambled to get up and jumped (yes, jumped) behind Vash and Katsumi.
"How hurt are you?" Vash murmured, not taking his eyes off Knives.

"Be careful. He can activate his Angel Arm now. You can use yours to absorb his, though." I said. "Yeah. I know." Replied Vash.

"Really sorry about taking so long. I had to find that magical cage thing." Katsumi said, patting something in her pocket.

Knives didn't say anything to Vash. He had this, pretty hilarious looking when I think about it, angry twitching expression on his face. His arm started to shift.

"Vash, are you ready?" I asked him. He nodded.

White light filled my sight, and heat overwhelmed my senses.

...Only to fade away. Vash had absorbed the blast with his Angel Arm. Thank god.

Katsumi handed me the Peacemaker. "Get 'im." She said. "I'll throw the cage when he's ready."
I nodded. I aimed the Peacemaker.

>>51265389
All right thanks. Weird stuff.
So if I'm interested in Kyubey's long term plans and his supposed battle against entropy, I should go to the first Madoka jump?

>>51265591
Kyubey still has the same plan to gather energy in Wraith Arc he just has to do it through a different less suffery method.

>>51265540
Neat. Thanks Garlock.

>>51265613
So it's a lot less fun is what you're saying.

File: kyubey_has_no_idea_by_j_plus-d8bu9g1.png.jpg (89KB, 894x894px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 894x894px

>>51265591
It really doesn't matter. Kyubey's overall plan is the same in either continuity: prevent entropy from destroying the universe.

The difference is, in the first Madoka jump, magical girls turn into witches, which releases HUGE amounts of energy enough so that Kyubey considers it by far the best way to complete his plan.
In the Wraith Timeline witches do not exist, forcing Kyubey has to use the energy dropped from wraiths (which only exist in the Wraith Timeline), which apparently provide enough energy to combat entropy, but not quite enough that Kyubey isn't interested in looking for more effective methods of energy gathering -- which eventually leads us down the path to Rebellion.

So, really, you can do either/or, and the difference is only whether you want to mess around with witches or wraiths.

>>51265701
What I don't get is how Witches are a more effective system then Wraiths. There are more Wraiths, they form on their own (thus not costing Magical Girls, who can go and collect more energy due to being alive), and they're formed from the negative emotions of mankind as a whole, rather then just Magical Girls. By the looks of it, Wraiths should be a better option.

There is a quest/win condition somewhere about making a treaty with every single other Mages/Civilizations/Kingdoms.

But it's not in the Civilization jump, it's one with magic & fantasy races.

I have enough perks & skills to make it happen now, but I can't find it anymore. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>51265747
It's magic.

Jumpers! What is your plan to survive the End of the Universe?

>>51265770
I create energy ex nihlo so it's a non-concern.

File: 1441636069876.png (73KB, 959x573px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 959x573px

>Do one simple, meta-knowledge thing to avoid the plot
>Nothing fun happens if you do this
>But no one dies either
What are some jumps where you can do this? Are you morally obligated to do this? What do you do instead for ten years if you do this?

Which jumps have non-Companion followers, like the Loyal Butler from the Batman Trilogy?

>>51265770
Make another one.
Also >>51265779

>>51265747
Little girl despair is just that much tastier apparently.

>>51265770
Create new ones that don't have an End?

File: Kagetora Hyodo 1.jpg (22KB, 250x250px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 250x250px

>>51265770
Which one? I have multiple plans but they are all for different EotW scenarios.

>>51265789
West Wing has Security Detail.

>>51265770
I spam this question ad nauseam until a not!universe gets so tired of hearing it it explodes ala a new Big Bang and creates a new universe. Then I just chill until sapient life shows back up so I have something to stick my dick in.

File: c88bc97e420dbac941954ba0ba2d6bb8-d49orhi.png (305KB, 750x530px) Image search: [Google]

305KB, 750x530px

>>51265747
We only have the info we're given, but from the looks of things it just seems to be that witches give that much more energy.
You could think of it as kindof the different between solar energy (cheap, renewable energy) and a nuclear reactor.

Fuck, just for the sake of referencing, when Madoka went full Gretchen, Kyubey said something to the effect of, "Your world is going to die now, this one is so powerful there's basically no way you can stop it... but it doesn't really matter to me, because I filled my quota for this planet."
Which means that the energy Madoka released from becoming a witch was so unbelievably massive that he was willing to completely lose out on all future ability to farm that planet for energy just to get his hands on it.

That's a shit ton of energy.

>>51265779
how? in what amounts?

>>51265747
It's because Kyubey isn't actually interested in combating entropy. Like all Gen Urobuchi antagonists that dress their motivations up in pseudo-philosphical garbage, his real goal is just to cause as much suffering as possible. Forcing little girls to kill each other is therefore preferable to him.

>>51265789
Incredibles has a few:
* the on-call services of an exceptional babysitter
* the Omnidroid, "complete with learning AI and eternal loyalty"
* Nomanisan Island, which optionally comes with "a full staff of mooks to man the base, which replenishes every jump with new setting-specific and loyal henchmen".

File: w1461784013236.png (455KB, 651x800px) Image search: [Google]

455KB, 651x800px

>>51265528
OP, did you put the title in the username field? ...the tripcode from the thread number, isn't it.

>>51265854
Magic.

>>51265785
It's not your problem.

>>51265882
It's.

Literally.

Magic.

>>51265770
Accept that all things must end, in their time. That which matters from the universe I have long since helped blossom into things that can escape it, and while they are strange and terrifying things this is nothing more than childhood's end. Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.

>>51265770
By moving to an entirely new universe through judicious use of the second magic.

>>51265928
Yes. I am ashamed. Very ashamed.

File: 1483422047979.jpg (372KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

372KB, 1000x1000px

>>51265853
... so ...

What're some things I can get through the course of jumpchain that can be powered by despair?
How can I harness despair for my own use?

>>51265947
It's literally Kyubey's own testimony being the only thing we have telling us that his goal is a noble one, when all his actions point to him being a sadistic monster. And here's where you go "but Kyubey never lies, he just leaves out important details, if he says he's combating entropy then he really is". Leaving aside the issue that his description of combating entropy is vague enough that he could still be doing something selfish and evil, you know who really benefits from a reputation of never lying? A liar.

Question for the Exalted fags. Spirit Charms are weak compared to Exalted Charms right? Is there any point to being a demon/godblooded instead of a half-caste in the mortal gauntlet then? Do they get anything nice to even things out?

>>51265761
Master of Magic?

File: Kagetora Hyodo 3.jpg (79KB, 753x597px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 753x597px

>>51265770
Since a lot of what you're getting is non-answers I'll answer some stuff.

>>51265854
Most late-chain jumpers have a white hole generators Personally I just like making generators that work on Video Game Logic, ala Supreme Commander once I get to it, or cute animals via Eggman Stuff which has a nicer but less power intensive form and also nets you Chaos Emerald infinite energy tech too, though you'll need CE's for that stuff to work. Fates First Magic combo'd with Wish Granting allows you to throw magic at the problem until it stops being one, via creating magic out of nothing and then using Wish Granting to net results.

>>51266014
Very flexible charm-set is very flexible. For the spirit charms, depending on the God, the restrictions such as Essence and such minimums could be called vague guidelines at points.

>>51265584
This write-up is so long I'm so sorry oh my god.

“Take this, asshole.” I muttered, weaving a sleeping spell in the gun. I didn't really expect him to get knocked out, and indeed he wasn't. It's better to try, at least. The force at least made him stagger. The Peacemaker was a powerful gun that could take out a tank with a good shot, but Knives was a plant. He was relatively unaffected by it. But his brief stagger was enough to embolden me to continue shooting at him.

Meanwhile, Vash was struggling to keep Knives's Angel Arm away from us. I could see him straining to keep the energy absorbed, and that it might not end well if I didn't act now. I aimed at Knives's chest, weaving another sleep spell in the bullet.

Through the chaos, I could very faintly see Knives's face. His eyes drowsily blinked.

He collapsed on the spot, exhausted and sleeping.

>>51266014
Spirit charms are often weak compared to Exalted charms. The mechanics for spirits are intentionally vague and dependent on GM interpretation, though, specifically so that a given spirit can have more powerful charms without having to make up completely custom abilities. Some spirits are quite powerful. But yes, it is true that the majority are weaker than an Exalted of equal Essence.. The main things to gain from spirit charms are their Essence and Willpower boosters, and Principle of Motion. The first gives them access to much larger resource pools than an equivalent Exalted would have. The second gives them "multiple independent actions", which lets them for a brief time act faster than nearly anything else in the setting, there are very few Exalted charms that grant access to multiple independent actions. It is brief, though, each time they use Principle of Motion they get a fixed number of independent actions to use, and they can only refill the pool by using Principle of Motion again. PoM is a pretty expensive charm, so usually they stock up on them ahead of time and use them all for one burst of speed in critical moments.

>>51266005
>I'm going to throw out all the details of a setting and overthink it because I don't like the premise

Fine, go jump Kamen Rider or something where all your problems can be kicked in the face. Just don't pretend your intellectual dishonesty has any actual basis in canon.

>>51266005
You have no information contradicting him. You can't run off of pure fanon.

>>51266097
>This write-up is so long I'm so sorry oh my god.

NO! Keep going! I'm enjoying it!

>>51266005
There are artbooks and shit that describe the setting's lore. And here's where you go "but they're written from the perspective of the weasel" except no, no they're very much not.

>>51266005
Honestly sounds like you're trying to argue the setting doesn't work the way it says it does out of butt hurt. You're busy insisting that Kyubey must have lied for the hell of it when the entire point of the character is that he never does. Especially since Rebellion shows that they really are doing their best to harvest as much energy as possible, which fits with the stated goal.

>>51266129
Don't act like your intellectual dishonesty has any more than cursory basis in canon.

>>51266136
I have no reliable information supporting him, either. I judge the man by his actions, not his words. Even if he's telling the truth, I still would oppose him, because saving the world isn't worth it if it isn't a world worth saving. I would not want to live in a universe where entropy is forever staved off at the cost of that world being awful. That's what he's creating, an eternal hell.

>>51266174
So are you Timmy, or just an autist who decided to arbitrarily argue that huge chunks of the setting aren't valid?

File: konatvread.jpg (56KB, 534x299px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 534x299px

>>51266005
> And here's where you go
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this but, I'm the one making the long-winded explanations about how Kyubey tells the truth and we just have to work with the info we're given.
"It's just magic" is another guy.

And, as I said back here >>51265160, if you want to believe Kyubey's got some alterior motive, that's your deal. You're free to do that. But there's no other information given in the series, so after that, you prettymuch just have to make shit up about why he's doing this.
The term for that is fanfiction.

Unless you're literally saying "He's just fulfilling his contract for Urobuchi-sama! He's evil because he's supposed to be evil!"
But honestly I think that's a little more openly meta (or else a little more one-dimensional, depending on which direction you want to go) than Uro would shoot for.

>>51266163
Can you point me to them? If you can provide scans, I'll concede the point. I'll still think Kyubey is a monster that needs to be stopped, but I'll only be thinking that for reasons of moral outrage.

>>51266168
True, I do have some "butt hurt". I hate how Gen Urobuchi loves to pull this "the villain was really the good guy all along, if you think otherwise it's just your limited perspective" trick. It's lazy storytelling that makes things look deep without actually saying anything meaningful.

>>51266129
>>51266136
>>51266163
>>51266168
Manga Kyubey might be more like what that anon is saying. There, he make facial expressions, which he uses to act all cute, but when Homura calls him out, he gains a permanent slasher grin that only comes off when Madoka makes her wish. He looks almost like he's enjoying the suffering he's causing.

>>51266208
>But honestly I think that's a little more openly meta (or else a little more one-dimensional, depending on which direction you want to go) than Uro would shoot for.

>Gen Urobuchi not using one-dimensional and boring writing tricks
Ha! Oh, Konatanon, you crack me up.

File: Konaitcantbehelped.gif (413KB, 293x130px) Image search: [Google]

413KB, 293x130px

>>51266250
I mean, at that point your argument is basically, "He's just evil because this series is garbage"?

In which case... OK?

>>51266061
>>51266100
Thank you that makes sense. So any idea what kind of Charms a demonblooded of Ligier would get? I think Gaunlet said you could ascend to be a god based on your parent post-jump? What would said demonblooded get from doing that?

File: JC6.jpg (78KB, 1328x585px) Image search: [Google]

78KB, 1328x585px

>>51265974
Monsters Inc's technology can let you funnel it into tanks to basically power everything a modern city can be powered by. So electricity, gas, oil etc. They already use fear, although apparently laughter yields higher energy output.

There's a type of White Court vampire in Dresden Files that can literally feed off it too, and the capstone-boosted Noble Demon in Disgaea makes the racial weakness moot. And technically DF's magic system can be powered by any emotion, including despair.

FF8 and SCP have perks that improve your science depending on how inhumane it is. The Fleshmetal in Light of Terra is apparenty a joint effort by Khorne and Nurgle so theoretically, if you had some of Nurgle's blessings from Warhammer Fantasy and Alpha Biomancy you might be able to shape something from it.

Finally, Ebon Dragon Charms. Just. All of them. His First Excellency gives you a supernatural boost to doing pretty much anything that is powered by or induces despair.

>>51266014
>>51266100 has it. In theory, lorewise they're weaker than Exalts. Mechanically, having fucktons of Essence, Willpowwer and a Charm that lets them go full blitzkrieg makes them slippery blitzkrieging little bastards given preptime.

>>51266233
Not him, but this is the closest I can find on the wiki.

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Guidebook#Production_Materials

Far as I can tell the main part anon was talking about starts on the link marked Page 123, where Urobuchi's interviewed about each individual episode.

>>51266233
I mean, I feel roughly the same way about Naruto, Bleach and certain parts of the Fate franchise for different reasons but I've certainly never tried to argue those parts aren't canon.

>>51266320
Oh, no, I'm a different person. I don't care about this argument, I'm just calling the series (and by extension, everything Gen Urobuchi's written) garbage. He's a bad writer.

>>51266355
Well, Ligier's about crafting and terrifying majesty. So Excellencies for the Craft and Presence skills, naturally. Affinity Element Control: Fire, with an aesthetic change so that you're manipulating the green flame of Malfeas, seems plausible. Chrysallis of Preservation and Creation of Perfection so you could work with intangible materials in your crafting. Probably Regalia of Authority so you can manifest the divine right to rule of your father. Maybe Spice of Custodial Delectation so you could gain Essence from people crafting or respecting your authority within your presence.

As for what you'd become if you raised Essence over 3? It's not that great. You count as a unique species of First Circle Demon, and don't have citizenship. So even though your dad is the Green Sun himself, you're the lowest caste in the social order of Malfeas. You'll probably gain citizenship fairly quickly, but until you do living in Malfeas is going to suck.

>>51266355
Let's see ... Spirit Charms that have a lot of Green Fire visuals and hover around the Craft & Presence arena's, he is scarily fabulous and love to make shit. Other than that you could look at this guy: >>51266598 cause he's way ahead of me.

>>51266097
Keep going! I'm enjoying it as well. It's very motivating to see someone write so much about the first jump I made.

File: CheerleaderKonata.png (100KB, 180x396px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 180x396px

>>51266466
I kinda gathered, but just wanted the excuse to throw in two cents.
And, really, that's fair.

I mean, I don't agree, but if you think Urobuchi is a bad writer, it could naturally extend that you would think his characters are badly as well?
Whereas I like Madoka, so I think it's written well enough.
And, curving back a bit, the characters give their motivations, so I take those motivations on their own merits, for the information we get during the course of the series. I don't really try to fanwank it a whole lot. Publicly.

But if you don't like the series, that's fine. We all have different tastes, and sometimes we just don't hold a high opinion of things.
This is gonna sound weird and sappy, but I genuinely respect you for not wanting to argue for twenty minutes about a thing you hate. I hope you're having a good day.

>>51265882
>>51265947
I kind of figured Kyubeys 'perfectly rational logic' was bullshit when I heard about the plan to create all that energy by making the undefeatable witch, but would destroy humanity.

Which is really dumb. As in it breaks the cycle, so no more energy can be extracted from human teenage girls. Destroying something that continually extends the heat death of the universe over and over again for a one time payout. Also known as killing the Golden Goose.

Incubators are Inefficient Idiot Bastards. If they wanted to be Bastards, they could have been intelligent ones who kept the cycle going and only did something that broke the cycle when humanity was old and used up.

Also, use some that energy to terraform more planets and have a bunch of human farms that output more energy then the cost to set them up and extending the life of the universe.

If you are serious about saving the universe, you need to learn how to make magic girls and then kill all the Kyubeys. Not because they are Evil, but because they are _Dumb_

So I am trying to save all the Nasu jumps, and rename them to begin with Nasuverse so they are in the same place.

I thought we had a Grand Order jump? I cannot find it...

>>51266921
Doesn't he mention that there's other civilizations out there? Presumably if earth dies, he takes the energy (Presumably more than he expects to get out of Earth before it dies off), then goes and hangs out with another civilization and continues harvesting them.

That is, if his expected gain from Madoka is more than his expected gain from the rest of earth over the remainder of however long humanity's going to last (which it seems to be, seeing as he notes that she just filled his quote) and there's other races (which there seem to be, seeing as part of his excuse is "Wouldn't it suck if you went out there and the universe was empty?"), then losing a single planet but getting more energy out of it than you otherwise would have isn't really a problem.

>>51266963
I think that was just something someone on SB was making, and is not actually finished yet. It also wasn't that good, last I heard.

Ok so the Collector skill in the servant supplement can be bought at E rank and work our way up, right? D and up are just luck boost arent they?

Also, would some jumpers eventually be able to develop a reality marble? I mean, given the crap we pull it might only be matter of time. Iskander had God-tier charisma (fuck rankings Gil had A+ and was a dick) and was shonen grade bro with his army; Shiro & EMIYA are tricky but they had the origin 'sword' and iirc the non-standard magical affinity with swords, plus his own magecraft was so unorthodox (screwed) it might have qualified as something else besides the basics. Plus EMIYA pirating every NP he could.

It might be easier for HS's but magi /have/ managed...

Maybe an optimized crafter build may eventually spawn a giant lab-factory...

>>51265974
Well in the KR Neo heisei part 1 DLC there is the alchemist station that lets you use desire as a way to create things as the transformation device of one of the riders and other things that I don't remember, but with a bit of jumper thinkering you could find a way to be able to create things with despair

>>51266921
>>51266963
Kyubey states that he had a quota, and Madoka turning into a witch meets it. Therefore, we can conclude that in that case, mankind is no longer needed, that they are "old and busted". We can also conclude that other Incubators are on other worlds with their own quotas.

>>51266988
It's not in the WIP list in the new Jumpchain thread at SB, so I think it would count as unclaimed even there.

>>51266139
o-ok! Sorry I had to leave for a moment

Katsumi pressed a button on the cage. With a great flash, glowing bars trapped the man on the ground.

"PHEWIE!" She exhaled, slumping over. "That was too stressful."

Vash kneeled by Knives and pointed at it. "Is there a way to carry him in the cage? It looks heavy." He said.

"Yeah, no problem!" Katsumi snapped her fingers. The cage grew legs and stood up, Knives still inside.

"You two are awfully cooperative." I commented. "It's not a bad thing--I'm actually quite pleased that you two are on speaking terms now. What made this change?"

"Well...me and Vash chatted a lot about stuff. He said that the best thing to do when someone screws up is to change your habits so you don't do it again. That's why killing is wrong--it takes away the chances someone has to right their wrongs. And..I could actually get behind that." Said Katsumi. "Doesn't mean I have to forgive that asshole for making you and Vash suffer a lot though, Mom." She huffed and crossed her arms.

I smiled. Things had gone better than I expected. "Vash? Are you okay?" I asked. He hadn't really taken his eyes off Knives the entire time, his mouth in a line.

"I'm just wondering if I'm capable of helping my brother. I keep trying to think of ways to help rehabilitate him and they all end badly." He admitted.

I gazed at Knives's sleeping body. He looked shockingly defenseless. But his deeds had never left my mind. Perhaps at that moment I realized other people were like me. They had their vunerable spots and feelings.

This filled me with an...odd feeling. It was warm. No, no one had the right to take another person's life in most circumstances. Now, I understood why.

Still though, I'd give their victims the chance to get their revenge if needed. But I couldn't kill with my hands. Not anymore.

>>51266983
It is the difference between many revenue stream and many revenue streams.
Or like having a fruit tree, and instead of harvesting the fruit in the fruit bearing years, and then using it for firewood once its its fruit bearing years are behind it, you take a healthy and waste its potential for that one time payoff, because there is another tree over there.
Meeting your quota does not excuse all that potential energy you could have gained before that big payoff by waiting.

Or using some of the energy from the payoff to help put down the resulting witch so the cycle can keep generating positive energy, and there is the possibility of _another_ big payoff happening in the future.

Saving the universe is a Looooong Game. So choosing short term gain over bigger over time long term ones is stupid.

>>51267017
That's what the purple Core Medals are made of. They embody despair and apathy instead of desire. It made for an interesting twist for Eiji, that his final form was based on his depression and post-traumatic stress. Most Riders get their final forms through the power of friendship or determination or other positive emotions, Eiji's was through his inability to have those things.

>>51266988
Blade was doing it but it never came together and he dropped it.

>>51267144
In Kyubey's defense (and I hate saying that, because I'm in the camp of him being a terrible monster), if they reinvested the energy harvested from Earth into terraforming many other planets into life-bearing worlds that could themselves support cycles of energy harvesting, then it could be a good idea. Like short-selling a stock and taking that money to invest in lots of other properties, you'll get a net long-term profit.

>>51266994
Pretty much every Jumper who's at or past the centuries age range, has good magical power, and didn't stack "you're always you/you're always human" type perks in their first few jumps should manifest a Reality Marble the moment they git gud with Nasuverse magic desu simply because they'll already meet the main and most difficult requirement for it.

Although you'll want to look at Lair of the Beast King, Overload, or Nevermore for examples at that point, since UBW is the result of its user being legitimately damaged (or at least artificially altered) psychologically while Ionioi Hetairoi stems both from Iskander's legend and the shared will of his army rather than being "natural" RMs.

>>51267144
That only holds if the payoff from Madoka is less than the payoff that the planet would have produced before dying. That is, if "wasting the potential" didn't result in you getting twice the apples and wood than you would have if you'd let the tree grow normally. And that's almost certainly not true, because Homura's time-hopping keeps linking other people's karmic destiny to Madoka. I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure that he explicitly mentioned it was the entire timeline's Karmic potential for each loop.

So just killing Madoka gets him 2 trees worth, while not killing Madoka gets him 1 trees worth.

Personally? I'd got with 2 trees, and, well, sucks for those various insects living on it's leaves.

>>51267257
You'd think he'd be more interested in harvesting Homura, though. Reverse-engineer what she's doing, use it to make world ender-class witches at will. Just farm those instead of having to wait for them to naturally occur in a given populace.

>>51267285
Farm raised witches are never as good for you. Sure, you get more off of 'em, 'cause they're fatter, but they don't taste as nice and like said they're super unhealthy.

You're better off hunting a wild witch.

>>51267329
But they're so gamey!

>>51267285
Wouldn't work. Madoka was already strong enough to score a mutual kill with Walpurgisnacht on the first loop, the latter of whom was centuries old and was basically a living natural disaster (she tore the city apart in what seemed like minutes). Then, Homura wished that she could save Madoka, thus forcing her into the spotlight, so to speak. With each loop, her role in destiny grew greater and greater, her karma adding up to the point where the final loop allowed her to become a multiversial goddess. There are too many factors that rely on things Kyubey can't understand for him to replicate the scenario. Besides, he only ever learns about Homura right before the end of the loop.

>>51267350
Pffft. That's part of the appeal, and if you prepare them right and hunt them when they're in season, but not "in season," then it's not as bad as you've heard.

File: IHadTo.png (1MB, 1024x936px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1024x936px

>>51266139
>>51266790
>NO! Keep going! I'm enjoying it!
>Keep going! I'm enjoying it as well

>>51267120
>o-ok! Sorry I had to leave for a moment

s' cool.

Wish I had the patience to write this all out to the level you are.

>>51267350
I fiind a good cherry sauce helps cut that. Though you need to make sure they're fresh cherries. Old cherries don't help anything.

>>51267151
You are technically correctwhich is the best kind, but I dropped it because Val asked for the claim.

How dangerous are the batman (dark knight?) and sherlock (great detective?) jumps?

>>51267420
Depends. Are you a big guy?

>>51267420
Neither of them has capeshit, magic, clarketech, or shounen bullshit.

Just don't be a dumbass and you'll do okay. Also, probably should avoid the drawbacks.

>>51267285
Kyubey's knowledge is reset same as everyone else's at the start of each loop. In many timelines he just doesn't figure out that this is caused by Homura, and is rightly more interested in the big obvious energy source, who just so happens to be protected by an annoying emo girl.

And if the whole experiment with the Law of Cycles in Rebellion is any indication, his research isn't instant. Not to mention, in the wraith timeline, he just doesn't know that Homura's power can do that, because he doesn't know about Madoka.

Maybe there were some timelines where he did figure it out, and even some timelines where he thought that would be a great idea. But he'd always lose that idea when Homura went back in time again.

>>51267420
Mortal level. No super powers or super tech (especially in sherlock) and the major danger zones are relegated to certain, avoidable locations.

>>51267285
Worst girl isn't worth anything.

>>51267464
But batman has superman, yeah? Or is it just the guys in the movies?

>>51266988
>I think that was just something someone on SB was making
I don't really check out that thread. It would have been something I saw here, but I did not find it on a 4plebs *Order pdf search...

File: ForYou.jpg (18KB, 512x256px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 512x256px

>>51267447

>>51267490
Not in TDK. TDK covers the Nolan movies.

>>51267467
I think he figures it out once or twice on screen, but the first time, Homura time-travels immediately (And she'd basically admitted it at that point, he was all "Welp, looks like there's a witch that'll eat the planet in a week! Sucks for you!" and she went, "Nah. I'm outta here."), and the second is the final runthrough.

>>51267492
See >>51267395

File: Garlock Smirk.png (127KB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 500x281px

>>51266994
It'd probably be a better idea to use HSDW and the Territory Creation skill to create a world "on par" with a Reality Marble. That way, it doesn't stay with you forever and you can make different sorts for different occassions.

By the way, this got derailed a few threads back so-does anyone have any idea what an EX rank Anti-Thaumaturgy/Anti-Self Noble Phantasm in the form of special magic circuits could do?

I'm kind of stumped, other than the vague idea they could be made of True Ether.

>>51267120
Oh my GOD captcha on mobile is HELL, I had to retype this


"Vash? Are you okay?" I asked. Vash was gazing at Knives's body. His mouth a flat line. "I'm trying to think of ways to help him out...but most scenarios I think of don't end well." He admitted.

"Can't promise you results. But I'm a Jumper. I'm sure I can think of something." I replied, with a bright grin.

Vash smiled back

"WELP! Gotta hit the hay! Big day tomorrow walking to the nearest city!" He said, getting up and walking with his usual cartoonish swagger back to camp.

Knives was not entirely happy at his circumstances. I had Vash keep him on constant survellience. I didn't have time to devote to Knives constantly even if I checked up on him.

I had a planet to terraform. By the end of the ten years, Gunsmoke was green enough for humanity to no longer heavily rely on the plants. Thanks to my infinite water machines. Which meant rhat the plants could be used for their original purpose--to help terraform humanity's new home.

Wolfwood returned to his orphanage, Millie and Meryl returned to the insurance company--(Meryl was RELIEVED to wash her hands of Vash the Stampede). Millie and Wolfwood would send each other letters and chat on the phone.

Me and Vash got married in our third year. Wolfwood was our pastor, of course.

Overall? I was pretty darn proud of myself.

Does anybody remember where the perk that let you cast magic anywhere in a short distance from you rather that directly from your person was? I think I remember it existing but cannot remember what jump its from.

>>51267464
>Also, probably should avoid the drawbacks
Looks at drawbacks...
You can take drawbacks, just not the sealed powers ones if you are worried. Ditto League of Shadows if you are an early jumper.

Something I think would be fun to do is take the +600 "Make Gotham the most crime free city in the world" and do it in a completely unintended way, like Invading the USA and taking Gotham by Conquest, just so you can rule Gotham and repeal the majority of Laws, so all that robbing, murdering, and killing is not actually illegal.

Or create so many clones of yourself the population doubles and you are literally looking over everyone's shoulder.
"Hello There Citizen! Are You Playing Well With Others?"

>>51267710
>Not suggesting that you create so much crime in the rest of the world that Gotham is safe by comparison

>>51267705
>Nika and Vash got married on their third year
D'aww. That's cute. Also makes that scene where Vash shot Knives to get him off of you even better.

>>51267732
>not turning your charisma up full blast and making everyone in Gotham your wholly obedient worshipful devotees

>>51267732
I Tip My Hat to you, sir!

>>51267761
>Not cutting Gotham off from the rest of the world so no more criminals can get in
>Not stealing a nuke and hiding it in Gotham
>Not threatening to detonate it unless people stop committing crimes

Wait a minute...

>>51267732
now you're thinking as a jumper

File: JC12.jpg (1MB, 1400x700px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1400x700px

>>51267761
>not running for Mayor, hijacking the judiciary and redefining the definition of crime such that within Gotham's soil crime does not legally exist, whereas every other country is guilty of first degree Not Being Part Of Gotham

>>51267708
I think Storm Hawks has a remote control magic perk. Wireless something or other?

>>51267493
Was derailing the thread with baneposts part of your plan too?

>>51267708
Young Justice.

>>51267732
Nom Nom up the rest of the world, so Gotham is simultaneously the most crime free and most crime ridden city at the same time.

>>51267787
>not kicking everyone else out of Gotham and keeping the city as your vacation home that you never visit.
There's no crime if there's no people.

>>51267865
I live life without a plan.

>>51267705
Aww. Cute.

Did the planet's name stay "Gunsmoke" even after the terraforming?

>Great detective jump
>Spirit of the City
>you may even meet the city themself.

Can anyone say 'realm of myth'?

Also, do we have an actual sherlock jump, or is this one the only detective themed jump we have?

>>51267244
Pretty sure Val said you can't get a RM naturally.

>>51267671
>any idea what an EX rank Anti-Thaumaturgy/Anti-Self Noble Phantasm in the form of special magic circuits could do?

Allow you to understand, tolerate, and appreciate the typemoon series in every aspect as it is or will be. Anti thaumaturgy for not even magic could save you from this fate. Anti self for there is no salvation from this.

>>51267939
There is the Investigation jump and Sherlock Holmes (the movie, but you can pick what to do any other if you want) jump.

>>51267990
What would probably be the safest Sherlock Homes setting to go to? I was kinda thinking of going to Moffat's Sherlock, partly because it takes place in the modern day.

>>51267944
That'd be pretty bullshit. She talked before about the possibility of a jumper developing one before, so just saying 'no' now doesn't make much sense.

File: JC13.jpg (58KB, 736x308px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 736x308px

>>51267977
Anon, I'm pretty sure that's way beyond what a reasonable EX NP can do. Not even two cups of tea could achieve that level of power.

Not even CHRYSANTHEMUM tea.

>>51268025
Cumberbatch Sherlock would be a good one, modern and not very dangerous unless you piss off Moriarty.

Is Cracker Jack here?
Something I noticed about DC Occult.
>If you complete a scenario you will gain any rewards and CP at the end of the jump.
This need to be changed to you gain the reward when the Senario is completed when applicable. 3 of the 4 scenarios are defeat this BBEG somehow..
Having you kill that last Demon Lord and gaining his powers and 300 CP while standing over his corpse, or dealing with the Spectre and a pillar of light appears and the Spear of Destiny and 500 CP appears as a give from the Presence, or Killing/Banishing Trigon means to inherit the power he had tainted the planet with, and 600 CP for a power up.

It just seems more awesome to get it in Jump immediately after the victory rather than after.

>>51268025
I would have to say the Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone. No crazy super assassins or insane geniuses just some regular old murderers. It would be boring to go there in my opinion so I jump with any other choice.

>>51268062
>Moffat
>Cumberbatch
Same verse.

>>51267944
I recall the opposite when I asked about you being a Dead Apostle, and developing one naturally like the other Dead Apostles had.

>>51268093
Huh, didn't know that.

>>51268093
That was just a "yeah, you're on the right track" sort of deal.

>>51268062
How dangerous is cumberbatch Moriarty?

What jump is Realm of Myth from and what does it do? I've seen people talk about it but I'm a little confused.

>>51267746
Hee, I'm glad. Vash is such a good boyfriend and he likes it when I spew corny shit to him. (I get really corny sometimes)

>>51267906
Yeah, it stayed that way, if only because at that point everyone just knew it by the name "Gunsmoke" and they didn't really feel the need to change the name.

>>51268118
It's from civ, and it lets you pull a greek god and have sex with strange things. And have kids, presumably.

To quote SB, "It was a very sexy moon".

>>51268025
>safest Sherlock Homes setting to go to
Were you Cthulhu in "Cthulhu Saves The World?"
Then go to A Study in Emerald.

>>51268145
Wrong board.

>>51268118
Civilization, and it basically turns you into a mythical figure, seduce the wind, convince an earthquake to knock it off, carve the land to form a river by hand, general mythical stuff is possible to you.

>>51268062
>>51268078
What are the "Holmes in the Future" settings like?

>>51268116
You know how some versions of him are just amoral geniuses who want power and/or wealth? Well this one is a sadistic sociopath who is as smart as Sherlock or possibly even smarter.

>>51268156
You do realize that jump was vetted in this thread, and is now on the Drive, right?
...
Or are you Timmy come to shitpost?

>>51268145
>Then go to A Study in Emerald
10x better than a Study in Scarlet, desu.

>>51268208
No, I'd...genuinely not known about that.

>>51268075
Not him, and I agree with the idea, but maybe you could have phrased one particular bit of this differently. If you said 'would you consider changing this', or 'why doesn't this happen at this point' then your point comes across much better. As it is right now you're saying 'this /needs/ to change because I say it does', even though the rest of your post - the actual suggestion - is good and makes sense.

>>51268183
Well if you want to know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmoOUsZzOs

File: AokoCC.png (175KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

175KB, 400x400px

>>51266963
>>51264469
I'm doing another update to the Supplement soon toadd all the new skills because they decided it'd be great to do a huge update hours after I finished. Probably will add that option, I've had a few options where I've noted you can pick alternate versions of Skills.

>>51266963
It's next on my list after Zero which is going crazy fast holy shit it's half done in one night. Not started yet so.

>>51266994
They are yes, they won't give you a collection from the start but they make it way way easier to get one and quick.

Depends. Not everyone can make a Reality Marble, even if they're insane, powerful in magic and so on. If you're inhuman you very likely could but if you're staying human I'd find it very unlikely that you could develop one naturally. Either way, developing one naturally would mean it has to fit you, so unless you can justify it you won't be getting UBW out of it.

>>51267944
I clarified my past statements on everyone developing one naturally, I don't believe I said it was entirely impossible. Sorry if I did, since that was incorrect of me, as it is certainly possible for the vast majority of jumpers to eventually get one, just extremely unlikely for ones who stay entirely human forever.

>>51268334
>Fate/Zero
Cool, looking forward to changing the ending of that.

Also, two questions. One, can we upgrade the stats of canonical Servant and still take them? Also, is Hoenheim a valid servant in Fate/Stag Night, I know he's supposed to be a Prototype servant but would that be alright?

Is there an easy route to beating Imaginary Friend?

Have you used the deplorable word from Narnia?

>>51268476
No, but I constantly consider using it in Twilight.

>>51268334
Just out of curiosity, can I use the 'dont feel like it' drawback in the servant supplement on a NP?

>>51268467
Yup, upgrading is a okay. Just make sure you can sorta justify any new additions.

Paraclesus? Don't see why not.

>>51268476
Only in Murdertale. And then every jump after that.

>>51268499
Hmm. Don't see why not.

>>51268513
Still the limit of two?

File: GilCC.png (149KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 400x400px

>>51268535
Yup.

>>51265770
I just make another one with Anima magic.
Creation is a broken path. You could even just change aspects of reality with it until entropy no longer exists.
Even if it's a different scenario all you have to do is change fundamental forces around until it stops being a problem.

Could Self-Made Shopkeeper from Recettear be used to transfer the killing property of Xena's Hind's Blood Dagger to a better weapon?

>>51268509
Murdertale

>>51268615
Forgot the ?

>>51268615
If you aren't familiar with it, go open the Undertale Jump and read between the lines.

>>51268605
Going by how both descriptions are worded, probably. But it goes against the intent of the item and is barely better than including Vampire Diaries in your chain.

>>51268629
Hidden alt version of the Undertale jump, you can become super nonsense powerful at the cost of. . . everything really.

>>51268476
>Have you used the deplorable word from Narnia?
Can you use powers in that Hatred Gauntlet?
Take the based on a jump option for a jump you hate, use that word. Boom, mission accomplished; have 10 year long Beach episode, pay no attention to the bloated corpses washing up on shore.

>>51268652
You forgot to mention it's supposed to be an in-joke neither brows nor digger can be bothered to acknowledge to the chucklefucks who treat it like a valid jump.

File: 1416331529421.jpg (28KB, 500x375px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 500x375px

>>51266014
Being a God/Ghostblood won't have a jump. Being a Half caste is inferior to being a normal exalt.
Therefoer if you take all the exalted jumps that will exist then those are the only options that aren't covered elsewhere. Even demon blood is attainable in Infernals.
However Godbloods are superior to ghost bloods in almost everyway so be a godblood if you're maximizing profits.

Also principle of motion is literally fucking godlike and you will take it as a starter charm and like it.
Being able to store actions for instant use later is invaluable and even exalts would get a little jealous at the lower levels.

>>51268075
Sure.

>>51268693
It's already available in the Mortal Gauntlet jump, anon. You know, like the post you're responding to says.

File: _acchi_kocchi__ears__how_do_they_work__by_tach_ko-d4widvx.png (120KB, 487x456px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 487x456px

>>51268470
> Easy modo
1) Don't take any drawbacks.
2) Be nice to the kid, so that having you around is preferable to not having you around.
3) Provide enough relative backing that it is clear you actually exist, such as...
- A) Scouting out adjacent rooms or surroundings (ie, "Dad's coming home! Put back the magazines!")
- B) Providing knowledge they can not possibly have gotten otherwise (such as answers to homework questions or other peoples' thoughts and feelings, or lotto numbers)
- C) Using any available methods (if any) to interact with the real world, such as the perk that lets you possess a teddy bear.

At that point, you're less of an "imaginary friend", and more of a magical creature that only they can see. So you're in no danger of being forgotten. And after that, you just have to make sure the kid doesn't die.

I suppose if you had that Teddy Bear perk, and were far enough in your chain, you could really go over extremist on that.
I mean... what do you think 1% power would be on some like, say, Spiral-kun?

>>51268544
Can I get any bonus points whatsoever for sealing away an EX?

>>51268712
No. Consider it vetoed.

will there ever be a fallout 1 or fallout 2 jump

>>51268500
Cool, thanks.

>>51268728
When you make it.

>>51268637
>goes against the intent of the item and is barely better than including Vampire Diaries in your chain
>>51268718
>No. Consider it vetoed.
Fuck off furfag, nobody cares.

>>51268716
No, sorry.

>>51268715
You don't even have to be that far in your chain. Even with just one of the common strength perks (say, 25 tons), you're still a teddy bear who can lift 500 pounds, which is more than most adult men.

>>51268693
Principle of Motion at Willpower 10 with Essence of 3 means you store three full attack actions so you can commit your actual action to powering up with other Charms, Touch of Jupiter is fucking awesome cause Essence 3 Poisonous (That scales with your Essence) Aggivated Damage is fucking awesome. The Martial Arts God stuff is also neat because Perfects!

>>51268334
I was thinking, would a clone of Hero of a Thousand Faces work as an NP? Would it have to be EX Rank to match Jack's feats or would it just A with +s?

>>51268476
No. I considered using it in 40K to wipe out the whole thing or at least Commoragh (depending on the range) to put that universe out of its misery and using it to fuel an ascension ritual that resulted in me becoming the literal god of Fuck You, Slaanesh.

>>51268714
I know man. But it's not getting a jump of it's own like all the others are.
So being a half caste is a poor move in the long run even if they would be the power choices if other exalted jumps didn't exist.

>>51268798
EX to match the vast variety of stuff Jack does yes, though that's without it costing you mana to make it work.

>>51268842
If I instead have it cost mana, could the weapons scale to any size that I have enough mana for or would there be a cap?

>>51268842
Just checking, we can't import things to become NP's even if we're just adding the NP stuff on as if it was a new NP right?

>>51268637
Uh, guess I'll do it then? Though I don't know how I'll dodge your disapproving stares...

>>51268869
I don't see an issue with it growing bigger/more numerous the more energy you put in, but it wouldn't increase the inherent rank of the weapons, so they'd mostly be relying on size and weight beyond the base level.

>>51268876
Correct, if you want to 'import' something, you're actually entirely remaking it within the NP system, so you have to be able to buy that thing within the NP system first before adding anything on.

>>51268904
Oh yeah, no, I'm assuming the city sized swords would still be worthless against Hercules. Was just curious.

I propose we ban all anime jumps from the drive. It's not something you can enjoy in good taste.

>>51268787
I thought Principle of Motion banks Willpower Extra Actions, of which you can draw up to Essence in a single action.

>>51268922
Well then I propose we ban everyone with good taste from the board.

>>51268922
Proposal overruled. Consider it vetoed ;)

File: yZ8KQ5B.png (36KB, 640x960px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 640x960px

>>51268922
Time to use my recently found bait images

File: seconded.gif (445KB, 400x267px) Image search: [Google]

445KB, 400x267px

>>51268946

>>51268943
Essence limits on the number of actions you can use at any one instant IIRC.

>>51268904
How does having high stats with Mana Burst work anyways? Saber is weaker than Rin without using Mana Burst, but I don't think her stength is ever below C, let alone E. Why the hell is Saber so physically weak for a Servant?

>>51268943
Before errata is was as many as was banked. Post errata it's up to Essence +1 per flurry.

So we have 4 Exalted Jumpmakers.
Wukong, Gaunlet, InfernalAnon, & Mardukth.

I always liked the Dragon Kings and how their charms were structured.

Anyone of you working on that *fingers crossed someone is*

Or Worm_Anon, need a new palate cleanser?

>>51268988
Isn't Alaya/something doing some wonky shit with the "real" Arturia, instead of summoning her from the Throne of Heroes as normal?

>>51268922
Vetoed.
I propose that we double the number of anime jumps on the drive!
What all anime hasn't been made into a jump yet?

>>51268904
Hey Val, do Servant Jumpers require a Mana supply post-jump? Would being a Pseudo-Servant and/or having Dragonheart cover for that?

>>51268922
Fuck off furfag, nobody cares.

>>51269026
>double the number of anime jumps on the drive
I know you're being facetious, but please no.

>>51269035
Seriously what is it with you calling random people furfags?
You did it at least twice in this thread. Is there some eric new maymay going around?

>>51269026
Mad Bull 34. Get to it.

>>51269026
Reminder that we still don't have a Record of Lodoss War jump.

>>51269041
Don't worry, jumps aren't made often enough for that to ever be the case.

>>51268988
Saber is the real Arturia due to a deal she made with Alaya to get to compete in the Holy Grail war.

>>51268988
It's weird and not teeeerribly consistent but I believe what it's trying to say is that since Arturia is sort of not a real Heroic Spirit yet, without using Prana Burst/some sort of reinforcement she's just got the body of a normal girl in her late teens. She's not summoned in her original living body for sure but neither is she getting the full benefits of being a HS. I don't really understand why this is a thing, given it benefits Alaya nothing to fuck over a potential CG like this but it seems to be how it is.

I'd imagine it'd give you a high boost with high stats, making you quite beastly in combat.

>>51269033
Just...No, anon, they don't. Servants, whether it'syou or your new companion, become living post jump. They generate their own mana and no longer need upkeep from you.

>>51269057
Dammit Estes, you can't keep pulling this shit. One more time and you're off the force!

>>51269081
Does having a higher base make Prana Burst more effective?

>>51269045
>random people
Not random people, shitposters who want to create drama by shitposting and acting like they are the Emperor of Jumpchain.
just decided to give them the same response every time.

>>51269114
In a sense I guess. I don't think having more STR would mean your STR gets boosted more, just that it was a higher base level originally. Mana I think is the exception and would increase the boost you could get from Mana Burst, since you're able to put more energy into it.

>>51269116
Well that's fine I guess. Although given that they're fishing for replies that sounds counter productive.

>>51269012
Nobody has expressed interest in Dragon Kings or Jadeborn.

>>51269081
I would have thought, between humans being more awesome in the past and her being a fucking dragon hybrid, she'd be stronger than Rin.

>>51269116
Uh, plenty of people make arbitrary rulings and judgements in these threads. Not saying that most of the people you replied to weren't shitposters, but it's not too far-fetched they weren't.

>>51269081
If she's in her real body then why doesn't she generate mana on her own?

>>51269073
Aren't humans from 2000 years ago outrageously stronger than modern day humans in Nasuland regardless? And Saber is said to be kinda jacked, even though she is drawn like a dainty girl.
>>51269081
So does that mean if you spent all the points needed to actually buy her canon sheet, she wouldn't be nerfed by Alaya? Or is spending points on her physical stats a waste?

>>51269166
>>51269149
Hence why I said it's obviously not her actual living body, because she clearly has many of the flaws of being a HS and is much weaker then she should be.

>>51269026
>Gintama
>Speed Racer
>Haruhi (just so we can make Slider the drop-in origin)
>MÄR
>Pretty Cure
>Get Backers
>Gash Bell (though I think someone was working on this one)
>Yuki Yuna is a Hero
>Ojamajo Doremi
>Unico

>>51269178
If you're spending the points, you get the goods.

>>51269012
I thought about doing either Gunstar Autochthonia or a jump just for Spirits. Even had this cute little idea of each type of spirit having its own capstone booster (gods get Magnanimous Yet Unbound for a UCS-style supermode, Ghosts get Death[noun indicating lordship] for superduper necromancy, you get the idea).

Unfortunately, much as I adore reading the lore as described by other people, actually going through the books makes me want to punch myself repeatedly.

...Also, aren't InfernalAnon and Mardukth the same person?

>>51269185
How impressive is Merlin? I mean, he's fucking Merlin, but he's still using Magecraft, right? Which is the equivalent of bringing a musket to a gunfight.

>>51269026
Eiken as a joke jump.

>>51269185
The real reason is that Alaya thinks Saber is cuter as a weakling, and thinks she's more likely to rely on Shirou and Rin if she's weak. She's just a big shipper, you see.

>>51269211
So what's with the trip all of a sudden?

>>51269211
What's EX Prana Burst (Flame)? Can I punch people with the sun?

>>51269216
Spirit jump sounds cool, but you'd probably drown under the contradicting swiss cheese that spirit mechanics and lore is.
They just didn't fucking care at some points and it shows.

Also Gunstar Autochthonia would be hype as shit

>>51269026
Angel Beats could be fun as some kind of gauntlet.

>>51269234
Solidarity. It's a symbol that she won't flee to SB, unlike so many others.

>>51269223
Well...he's one of the very few Servants to cost over 2000SP, almost 3000SP, to build and he popped up in GO because he thought it'd be fun so he summoned himself.

He's kind of badass.

>>51269229
Hah! It does sound adorable, if a little horrible, that she ships her human pets.

>>51269234
Thought it'd be smart to get some insurance just in case, since I'm posting much more often in response to questions. Don't want to have to wake up one day and find a mess happened while I slept.

>>51269254
Er. Probably not, unless you're talking about the surface of it. It's just Mana Burst but things are covered in fire when you use it.

>>51269267
You're a fucking moron.

>>51269285
He's baiting you.

File: Record_of_Lodoss_War_-_2001_-_Conspiracy_Entertainment.jpg (163KB, 1080x1080px) Image search: [Google]

163KB, 1080x1080px

>>51269066
>Record of Lodoss War
Silly anon that's a game not an animu.

>>51269285
How so?

>>51269267
Fuck off furfag, nobody cares.

>>51269278
Is an Np that increases the all stats of the wearer by one rank (at A rank) feasible?

I'm trying to decide what the yasakani does, and healing is covered by the mirror.

>>51269267
Your abandonment issues are amusing.

>>51269081
So wait, Prana Burst is like a godtier version of Reinforcement?

Does fable jump have any waifus?

>>51269337
That sounds fair, I believe Arondight is something similar. Long as it doesn't do anything else I don't see an issue with it being at that level.

>>51269343
Limited to solely reinforcement of the body, yeah, it seems like it.

>>51269300
It's a number of things, including a pnp rpg, and like five different rule sets for using different systems to play it as a pnp rpg.

>>51269386
Uh, can't it do weapons, too?

>>51269386
Um, can I power it at range and/or give it a battery effect? That's about all.

>>51269343
Huh. Given that if her strength is given by Prana Burst then A rank increased her strength from being weaker than peak to 50x peak human.
>>51269386
How much does Reinforcement increase physical abilities?

>>51269278
>It's just Mana Burst but things are covered in fire when you use it.
Oh I thought it was just fire, not the physical boost.

>>51269408
The elemental effect can cover weapons yes, but the burst/reinforcement effect is just for making you stronger/faster.

>>51269412
I don't believe so, though I believe you can ptu the elemental effect on something and then fire or throw it and have ti remain.

>>51269422
Depends on your skill and energy.

>>51269366
No

File: Peter Molyneux.jpg (217KB, 1065x599px) Image search: [Google]

217KB, 1065x599px

>>51269366
The Fable jump will have all the waifus. You can plant a loli and grow her into any kind of waifu you could imagine. It's going be revolutionary.

>>51269434
Er, sorry. This. >>51269337

Can I power it at range and/or give it a battery effect?

>>51269339
He's not who you think he is.

>>51269434
?

Isn't one of the defining features enhancing normal weapons to the point where they can damage others with a light clash? Also, is the description incorrect, then?

>Is the increase in performance caused by infusing one's weapons and body with magical energy and instantly expelling it. Simply put, recreating the effect of a jet burst by expending large amounts of Magical Energy.

File: Record-of-Lodoss-War.jpg (56KB, 300x400px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 300x400px

>>51269300
Well, that as well, but...

>>51269468
When both you and the shitposter are nearly indistinguishable, maybe it's a sign you're being a bit too much of a dick?

>>51269500
Don't feed either of them. They suck equally.

>>51269465
Oh, sure.

>>51269481
Huh, my bad. Then yes, applies to both. And yes, it seems like the instantly expelling part is incorrect.

>>51269525
Hey Val, for the Black is the new Black drawback, do we have to deal with Dark Sakura/that weird shadow tentacle monster thing as well?

>>51269551
No, Dark Sakura isn't part of the drawback. She could still appear if things go poorly and her willpower breaks but she won't be summoned for the drawback.

File: tumblr_inline_o8s3csMCKq1r19jq8_500.png (66KB, 500x111px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 500x111px

Well?

>>51269582
Fuck off God.

>>51269582
But I do love beetles, anon. In more ways than you know.

>>51269582
B-But I love beetles!

>>51269574
Does Modern Weaponry Negation also work on laser weapons, or just bullets/missiles/etc.?

>>51269598
>Not renaming yourself NikaBeetle for that one post
Tsk tsk tsk.

>>51269589
GenesisAnon, where art thou?

>>51269582
Beetles are easily the coolest bugs.

File: IMG_0879.png (66KB, 205x482px)

66KB, 205x482px

>>51269582

But Anon, I am the beetle who walks the Path of Heaven to rule over everything.

It's impossible for me not to love beetles.

>>51269614
He got smote.

>>51269574
You said EX Collector would get you about 10 rare items per jump without you trying, give or take. At A, A+, or A++, would just the number decrease or the rarity of the items, too?

File: Garlock Arrives.jpg (25KB, 597x333px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 597x333px

>>51269278
That reminds me-why DOES Gaia like Arturia and her kingdom so much anyway? She's otherwise characterised as hating and fearing humans.

Does she just think it's cute one of them looks a little bit like her TYPE? Did she just have a mental breakdown from constant hate and paranoia, and go "fuck it, you my favorite parasite?"

Also, about my idea in >>51267671-for a NP like that, would an NP that increases my Mana capacity be redunded/no bueno if it does so effectively by acting as an independant source of mana? Or would it have to be an "effect" like amplifying the output of thaumaturgy?

>>51269216
>Gunstar Autocthonia

YES!

>spirits jump

Hmm. I was about to say that sounds a little broad for sheer variety but-actually, I can kinda see it working. You'd have celestial gods, terrestrial gods, elementals (Kukla-style capstone booster, or something that lets you approach Greater Dragonhood without going batshit insane?), ghosts and maybe demons. Damned if I know what a Drop-In would be, though.

And yeah, they're one and the same.

File: kick happy assholes.gif (2MB, 320x180px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 320x180px

>>51269582
The fuckers keep kicking me in the head.

>>51269026
Darker Than Black
Gantz
Jyo Oh Sei
Escaflowne
Attack on Titan
Yotsubo
Mahou Tsukai no Yome
Goblin Slayer
Vinland Saga
Ubel Blatt
Kampfer
Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer
Vampire Hunter D
Desert Punk
Hamtaro
All You Need Is Kill

>>51269422
Assuming Shirou is peak human(28 mph and 800 lb overhead lift), 20-30 times increase in strength and speed.(D-C rank) Assuming athletic(21 mph and 200 lbs), 26.667-40 times in speed and 80-120 times in strength.

>>51267705
That was a pleasure to read.

File: spiderfluff1.jpg (695KB, 2560x1600px) Image search: [Google]

695KB, 2560x1600px

>>51269582
Because spiders are superior.

>>51269661
Is there a Vindictus jump?

>>51269613
If it's supernatural or able to hit a spirit, it'll work on you. If not, it won't.

>>51269634
Reduce both equally or reduce one more then the other. Up to you.

>>51269642
I have no idea what's up with Gaia.

If you want your circuits to give you more mana, buy more ranks in the Mana stat. Or buy something external to you in the vein of Prelati's Spellbook to have as an independent source of mana.

>>51269655
Honestly have no idea where you're getting these ranks from. Unless you're trying to base them on EMIYA which I doubt is accurate, since I've seen nothing to indicate he's also in the situation of having to use Mana Burst to up his stats.

>>51269615
https://australianmuseum.net.au/what-are-the-differences-between-bugs-and-beetles
Beetles aren't bugs, val! Bugs a shit!

>>51269278
>Well...he's one of the very few Servants to cost over 2000SP, almost 3000SP, to build and he popped up in GO because he thought it'd be fun so he summoned himself.
This seem more like your creation requirements are wrong. Like requiring skills that do not reallt seem to do much, but all skills cost the same.

Like EX Hero Creation, which costs how much and is a vague skill, that does not really seem part of Merlin skill set considering how the legend ended with Arthur's flaws bringing down Camelot. Merlin does not need it, let alone at EX.

Or divinity, which looks like another do nothing skill.

A perfectly good representation of Merlin could be affordably done with Mana+++/EX and some skill representing Magical knowledge like High Speed Divine Words at +++/EX. That ineffable thing that makes a man a king could be made with judicious use of Noble Phantasms made by Item Creation EX. The magic of Camelot/The Lake/Avalon (the Island) by Territory Creation. And both of those are discounted for caster.

Requiring multiple useless un-discounted skills just artificially inflates the price.

How do you feel about game mechanic options in jumps where they're not actually part of the setting?

File: Emiya_shiro.png (4MB, 1419x3234px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 1419x3234px

>>51269655
>800 lb overhead lift
Is that without using magic to enhance it?

Because Jesus, duds would flatten if he somehow got that over his head.

>>51269653
>Hamtaro
Fuck off, Holden. 3rd Edition was mostly shit.

>>51269694
Man fuck logic, beetles are still the coolest bugs even if they're not bugs. That's just how cool they are. They transcend the boundaries of species to show bugs how shit they are and how swole they could be.

>>51269702
If you think so.

>>51269525
Hows this?

>Yasakani no Magatama, Jade Bending Jewels
>Rank A
>Anti-???
>One of the three Divine Regalia of japan, this necklace was hung on a tree by Ama-no-Koyane-no-mikoto in order to catch Amaterasu's attention and convince her to leave the cave she was weeping in.

>The Yasakani no Magatama has no offensive power, but neither is it a defensive Phantasm. When worn, and as an A rank Phantasm, the necklace will boost all stats of the wearer by one rank. Additionally, energy may be stored inside the necklace. Tamamo my enjoy this boost herself, or give the necklace to another. A normal human with E rank stats isn't much, but an already powerful servant would be quite terrifying. Additionally, as long as the necklace is within the range of the Mirror of Yata (Currently EX, all of japan), Tamamo may continue to feed it energy after it's internal stores have run out.

Battery is five days (one per rank), and I tied the range to the mirror rather than try to make something up.

I also dropped quite a bit to afford bumping the mirror up to EX...

I guess I could take sader or something? 300 cp is enough to buy back most of the +'s I dropped...

>>51269718
Looks good.

>>51269704
Do you mean things that aren't in the lore, but still in the game? Because those can work so long as you aren't stretching things to get what you want.

If it's just straight made up that's no good though.

>>51269714
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I just want a hamster alt-form.

>>51269704
I don't like it.

>>51269733
I mean when half of the options in a jump are game mechanics when there's plenty of other content in lore to base shit on. When it's not contained in the Drop-in tree.

File: JC15.jpg (65KB, 960x960px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 960x960px

>>51269693
Nah, just trying to figure out what kind of things EX NP magic circuits could do. I might just go with the former option, though.

>>51269677
Wait, that thing has an actual setting it's from? In which case nah, I would've definitely known if there was a jump where best bugs got the respect they deserve.

>>51269714
Hey.

Hey, don't associated Hamtaro with Holden. Hamtaro did nothing wrong.

>>51269716
Spiders are still the best bugs, but beetles are pretty up there.

Based Bombadier Beetle would've been a great mosaic organ. Like Spider Man, except you shoot metal-melting steam out of your wrists.

>>51269751
You could just head over to Zootopia.

>>51269725
Hey Val, how does Hero Creation work? Do you just...use magic and create a baby or something?

Val, since servant stats are multiples of existing maximum human potential in the Fate setting, what is the measure of maximum human mana potential in Magic Circuits?

>>51269773
I guess it's fine. I think people could do better at being creative if there's more to work with though.

Really I wish Drop in didn't get stuck with all the meta shit.
Those things work best undiscounted. Drop in can be so much more than a dumping ground.

>>51269782
It reads like a parenthood perk.
Which is weird since it is usually Boris who raises Arthur.

Hey jumpers, back with more fun and exciting Forgotten Realms questions. Why on earth is:

Meager Fortitude +200CP: You are constantly ill, and in a perpetual state of nausea.

only a 200cp perk? The SRD says:

Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move action per turn.

Which makes this perk an incredible trap if taken with literally anything that requires you to be somewhere specific or do anything at all during your stay here. I just, what?!

>>51269774
>Spider
You're just a savage aren't you?

>>51269782
I'd imagine, with the little info I have on it, that it's a Skill to make it easier to raise others into becoming heroic figures on a big scale. Teaching others to be superheroes or great leaders or legendary knights and so on. So it'd make any of your efforts to do those things far easier, even if you might not really know how to do that stuff yourself, and your chosen focuses/students would find much more success in reaching those heroic heights.

Just my best guess, hope we get more info on it soon.

>>51269795
Rin. This is explained on the stat scale page.

>>51269800
I mean, but what else is there for drop-in? Mysterious traveler? Strange being?

>>51269366
Yes, not many though.

There is Lady Grey, who in 1 is a bitchfu and in 2 is a much nicer zombie waifu.

There's Whisper, black chick tomboy. She's mostly okay, but is kind of a glory hog.

There's Briar Rose, who is sarcastic but otherwise harmless.

There's Scarlet Robe, the MC's mom. Was a hot red riding hood looking axewoman in her day, but is now old and in jail. Husband is dead so she's free game for you gmilf types.

There's Theresa, the MC's sister. She's a blind seeress and will user. Mostly just emotionless from her trauma and loses out on a lot of her appeal without the incest angle desu. In 2 and later she turns into a mysterious old woman utopionist. Basically she's Kreya at that point.

There's Amanda Grey, Lady Grey's nice sister who is a ghost.

There's Hammer, who is a giant strongwoman. She's pretty nice, her only downside is that she's chubby in addition to being very strong and tall.

There's Rose, Fable 2 MC's big sister. She's a very nice girl, but she gets killed early on so you'd have to stop that. Otherwise is pretty boring, loses most of her appeal without the incest.

There's Elise, who is generic sweet childhood friend. Loses appeal without being the MC of Fable 3, but even as them you'd have to cuck her fiance she picked up after thinking you died. Which she's willing to do if you want and don't mind being shitty.

There's Veronica, who is a fancy upperclass lady. She's unremarkable except that her husband ASKS you to cuck him so he has an excuse to divorce her. Funny contrast to the above.

There's Page, who is nice and all, and a big rebel leader who hates tyranny and all that.

There's also potentially the heroes of Fable II or III, since those can be girls.

That's about it except generic NPCs.

File: 104b1c3a95d8c76a4256c3dc0af352ab.png (285KB, 1280x1182px) Image search: [Google]

285KB, 1280x1182px

>>51269812
The forgotten Realms drawbacks aren't very well made.
Although I wouldn't think of them in terms of Game mechanics. You're just really nauseous all the time not running on actual dice.

It's still a dumb as hell option when you can just eat getting skinned with some kind of healing factor and blast Orcus to death for mad CP gains.

>>51269812
Okay, new standing rule, the Forgotten Realms Jump is poorly made and poorly executed. Let's just all agree on this and move on with our day without a million questions about it.

>>51269805
>>51269822
Huh. Weird, but that could be useful. Thanks.

Oh, hey, Val, would it be possible to duplicate that kill sat thing Prototype Gilgamesh had? The one that was supposed to flood the entire world? Because I want to see Gil's reaction to it.

>Man, that thing looks cool. Jumper may be a mongrel, but he has a pretty sweet NP! It almost looks like something I would have...

>>51269864
You mean Enki? Well, you could have it but it'd be only as powerful as any other EX, no world flooding yet.

File: spider val.png (96KB, 1856x526px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 1856x526px

>>51269822
>You're just a savage aren't you?

You would speak ill of your own kind?

>>51269774
>Wait, that thing has an actual setting it's from?
It was the guardian beast of the village, until it got cursed by gnoll things, which drove it insane. The introductory mission has the player kill it.
There's a mission later on to retrieve babby spider eggs to replace it, though.

>>51269871
That's fair, the world flooding thing isn't necessary, just the thing with Gil-

>yet
...just what are you planning, you devil?

>>51269812
>get light blindness for +400CP
>spend 500CP on a race with light blindness, anyway

File: x14-Rin-and-Luvia.jpg (113KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 1920x1080px

>>51269878
I am perfectly fine with being a race traitor if that race is spiders.

>>51269890
I may have started planning for some special scenarios in Grand Order

>>51269890
She's allowing it in GO, which is basically the Fate equivalent of Exalted in terms of its setting and what it represents for this thread.

is the Angelus crystal in tales of symphonia worth picking up?

>>51269903
Prismatic dragons are immune to light effects.

>>51269903
Nah, gotta be a dragon yo.

>>51269850
But asking questions to the thread at large is fun anon-senpai!
>>51269848
I think killing orcus makes you stay since you inherit his portfolio? I dunno.

>>51269904
>>51269912
Oh God, this will be painful, but now I want it...DAMN YOU VAL, WHY MUST YOU DO THESE THINGS?!

>>51269823
Those work I guess, but there's a lot of ways to do it.
Of course there's no real blanket answer to what's best since each jump would be different. I do think Drop in can work as the unaffiliated background fairly well though. Things that aren't specific for any goup, but still useful.

Really stuff like you've got a health bar nao boi seems lazy to stuff in there since it's just filler. It's not bad, but a lot of the times it's just to fill a perk slot.

>>51269919
whoops stone not crystal

>>51269919
Yes. I daresay it's nearly a must-buy.

>>51269919
Absolutely. It's probably the second best thing in the whole jump.
Make sure to have a key crest so you can actually use it though.

>>51269843
Oh I forgot, you could also bring back the Queen of Blades if you're crazy. She's like Jack of Blades only stronger and with tits.

>>51269904
Remove ohohoh, remove sausage drills. You are worst girl

>>51269919
Absorbing souls to power up is really great. This is in addition to the normal powers of an Exsphere/Cruxcis Crystal. Also, you know the Lifeless Being perk? An eon or so of wearing an Angelus Stone will cause you to gain those powers automatically.

>>51269929
I don't think it does. You only stay if you have Divine rank higher than 0 at the end of the jump and even if you did get stuck with his portfollio you could just vent out the Rank with investments in random woodland animals.

I don't think you do get his portfollio for killing him though. At least I've never heard anything about that before.

>>51269943
What do you think is best?

>>51269012
Huh? You rang?

File: These Drills Will Pierce The Heavens.gif (484KB, 620x446px) Image search: [Google]

484KB, 620x446px

>>51269947
Can't stop these drills anon.

File: IMG_0880.jpg (579KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

579KB, 1920x1080px

Question for all Jumpers.

For those who chose to end on Dragon Ball in their last chain, how far did you get before you Sparked or died?

For those still on their chain, if you were forced to take Dragon Ball right now how far do you think you'd get before dying?

File: b bullshit.png (4MB, 2000x1584px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 2000x1584px

>>51269929
>>51269923
Half-Shadow Dragon, Half-Drow.

>>51269986
Hey Val, what rank would I give a Gate of Babylon with all of Gil's stuff? Trying to figure out how to build for a Demi-Servant Gil.

>>51269904
Does non magical weaponry have any rank at all? Would God Hand or the immunity to weaponry from the living template let you shrug off the Death Star's blast or a punch from Superman?

>>51270026
...The next thing Val will say is 'NO'.

>>51269988
So much wasted potential. Worst thing is I didn't even know just how much wasted potential until I started reading it to make up for the barebones jump-doc.

>>51270026
You can't buy it. The Supplement details that you cannot buy collection NPs.

>>51269967
Lifeless being. Although that's assuming you get angel powers out of the deal.
I would imagine you do since you are an angel, but it's not really stated in the perk.

Of course you could just get most of the benefits by wearing a cruxius crystal or angelous stone, but the transition process is rather unpleasant all things considered and having fiat backing it up is always nice.

>>51269963
Wasnt killing a god how Bhaal and a couple other random mortals gained their powers? Or am I remembering that wrong?

>>51269991
What on earth is the downside to one of those things? CR17 at old?

>>51270035
In the sense that a ghost could, yes. Though you'd probably suffocate in space anyway.

>>51270036
So close.

>>51270041
Oh, okay. Sorry.

>>51270051
Haha, no. That needs to be limited right away.

>>51270051
So it's effectively a complete No Sell to anything in a sci-fi setting? I can laugh off Scion's Golden Fuck You Beam and Behemoth trying to nuke my brain?

That's amazing.

>>51270065
It's no worse than any other ghost form.

>>51270065
If you wanna go ahead and limit every option that lets you be a ghost or spirit in the chain anon, I'd be happy to change it. Until you do, I don't see whats so bad about it.

>>51270068
I'm really not sure why people find it special. You realise that any option that lets you be insubstantial or be a ghost that interacts with the world is the same right?

>>51270046
>What on earth is the downside to one of those things?
The rules for making a character out of one are exceedingly vague, if not impossible. Are they supposed to be treated "as shadow dragons +transformation" as the middle box on the left says? Or are they suppsoed to have the stats in the bottom-most left box? Becuase then there's no option to turn into a friggin dragon, which is the entire point.
At this point, I just gave up and decided to go with the top left option, which can't turn into a dragon, but unlike all other medium-sized half-dragons has wings and can fly. Which, combined with the ridiculous stat boosts, is good enough.

>>51270046
Killing a God can get you God powers IIRC, but that's all up to the DM.
It's not a guarentee or anything. Just like how being incredibly awesome at something can make you a god.
Lots of it is just plot shit and not something that will always happen.

I imagine jumpers don't have to deal with this since otherwise entering the jump when you have hundreds of jumps behind you would basically mean you automatically become divinity and get stuck. Especially since the jumpdoc couldn't discourage becoming a god more.

>>51269822
>Rin. This is explained on the stat scale page.
Um, I checked the wiki, and she has no Magic Circuits listed on her stat page, but the Magic Circuits page says
>40 inborn Magic Circuits and subs that are 30 each
I have no idea what sub sub circuits are, but the answer is unclear because the reference quote at the bottom
>Rin, on the other hand, has 40 main circuits, while her sub-circuits are 30 each
implies she has more then 1 group of sub circuits, so I do not know if the answer is 100, 130, 160, 190, etc magic circuits.

>>51270089
left==right for all instances. I'm gonna sleep.

>>51270086
Well it's a constant thing, for one. A ghost would usually have to choose to go between physical and incorporeal.

>>51270097
Referring to the Supplements page on it.

She has 2 sub sets, giving her 100 in total.

>>51270101
Sometimes. Plenty of common types that are able to affect the physical world while remaining insubstantial. I mean, that's the most basic poltergeist right there.

>>51270089
>>51270092
Here I was just grabbing Silver Dragon right out of the mm.

Eugh, divine nonsense is the worst nonsense. I'm enjoying digging out all of my 3.x books to character gen though. Havent done that in awhile.

I literally just bought every perk and item for moriarty in the sherlock holmes jump.

All of them.

Thank god for pocket dimensions where I can fuck off and fight monsters for ten years, because that was a lot of drawbacks.