What are the bounds of what Paladin can do to evil without """"falling""""?

>>51254854
Depends on the Paladin Order, God Worshiped, and setting.

>>51254863
But what can a good paladin order/God let paladin do without questioning his morality

>>51254922
A clean death in honorable combat is ok.

Cold blooded murder of the evil in question or their minions/apprentices/whatever you want to call them is ok but the pally should feel bad about having to do it.

Tricking them is ok.

Torture and manipulation (the extended emotional kind(unless its something that is generally funny, not just funny to a select group of sociopaths)) is not ok.

>>51254922
Once again, it depends on setting, chosen god and order. For example; a war god. If im not mistaken, so long as said paladin doesnt commit a war crime, the god will be pleased.

>>51256663
why god of war would ever have order of paladins? What you've described are not paladins but warriors of War-god

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>>51254854
Reminder that 3.5's (((paladin code))) almost ruined the entire character concept forever.
> Paladins must be lawful good! If they do a single evil act, they fall! If they associate (what the fuck is associate?!) with evil people, they fall! If they see a trolley dillema, they fall!
For fuck's sake, sharia law is more forgiving. When all it takes for you to lose your powers forever is a single evil act, and you must also stay lawful, paladin roleplay turns into fuckfest of "What my DM considers good? What my DM considers lawful?"

Thank God 5e actually provided different yet equally sane oaths.

>>51254922
Nothing.

>>51257775
If Paladin does nothing than they would question his willingness to act

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>paladins have to be goody two shoes moral fags

Fuck that shit, my Paladin will remind prisoners that the penalty for their crimes is death and won't hesitate to execute them if they will not submit to the greater good.

>>51257810
no evil deeds should go unpunished, but they should not be punished in same way

>>51254854
>A paladin that commits a great act of heresy and falls, saving thousands in doing so
>A paladin that staunchly refuses to commit heresy, leaving thousands to their fate in the process
Which of the two is a worthier paladin?

>>51261034
Depends on whether you determine the value of a Paladin by commitment to an ideal or commitment to a particular doctrine. The former is dedicated to the ideal of saving as many lives as possible, the latter to upholding the strictures if its organization.

>>51254854
Don't make it personal

>>51261034
what type of heresy are we talking about? Using demonic power or killing right person without enough evidence in their fault?

>>51258223
God forgives. Paladins just arrange the meeting.

>>51257680
Maybe it's because different settings, game systems and simply historical periods have various definitions of whata paladin is.
The original paladins, aka Charlemagne's personal guards, couldn't """fall""".

>>51261034
One is Lawful good.
The other is Good lawful.
Depends on what their god prioritises I guess.

>>51257680
It was just an arbitrary example sir autism. His main point was that there are a number of factors to consider.

>>51261288
Neither of those are heresy.