/swg/: Star Wars General: I can't beleve they used these

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He deserved better.

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>>51250598
There are other options.

>>51250696
He really did, he was a serious threat in Genndywars taking on multiple Jedi at once and coming out ahead and then they turned him into a literal Saturday morning cartoon villain who monologues about how evil he is before losing limbs to and running away from children on their first field missions.

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>>51250815
Many many better options that store them internally.

Titans, The dropships in EaW and the older RTS, (Made canon again by the mobile game!) the Dropships/transports with bigger engines and a front/rear ramp hatch from Rogue Squadron (Or at least rebel strike)

>>51250815
In a civilization where wheels are practically lost technology and even slaves can dig out anti-gravity repulsors from garbage dumps, I never understood why they built the plodding elephant AT-ATs.

>>51250815

That reminds me of a Strider Carrier from Half Life.

>>51250842
Part of the shock value of an xbox hueg walker coming at you

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>>51250840
The Rebel Strike carriers.
>>51250832
Ahsoka never beat him, just survived long enough to hide or for someone else to save her, be it Obiwan, Hondo, in slave one etc


>>51250842
Bypassing shields, even the relatively porous lower level of a shield dome tends to fry anything without good ground contact and especially repulsorlifts.

Plus there are repulsorlift jammers in EaW (Partly to make up for the fact that they forgot to include the "Shields stop hover engines" part of the game so they had to make walkers, wheels, and treads useful SOMEHOW

>>51250842

The same reason they have skyscraper-sized walkers in 40k.

It scares the shit out of the enemy.

Giant Walkers have been something to scare the enemy senseless since H.G. Wells invented them.

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>>51250842
Aesthetic reasons.

>>51250840
Yeah, but the Titan looks rather pathetic. The dropship in >>51250815 has a much more Imperial aesthetic, and hits some WWII landing craft notes.

>>51250916
>>51250961
Know what'd be shock value? Something the size of an AT-AT and AT-AT level armor but going at Mach 1 and dropping napalm and clusterbombs everywhere.

>>51250966

Giant superbombers? I think there's one in 40k.

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>>51250966
Well, yes.

But this isn't a universe designed by sensible people.

>>51250966
So the vt49 decimator?

>>51250991

When will we get a Sun-sized Superweapon that can blow up stars with its gigalaser?

Because lord knows that's the only way to go from here.

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I'd love to see a Naboo starliner with the panels off, decades later, puttering around the Outer Rim. Does anyone have art of a Y-wing-ified ship?

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>>51251037
Fucking Sith. The only way they can get their rocks off these days is by blowing up entire planets. It's an obsession.

>>51251037
You mean the suncrusher? It's a bit smaller than you're expecting.

>>51250966
That requires it be able to get past the shields. Which is the entire point of ground forces, who can actually get into the shield while air vehicles can't.

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>>51251040

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>>51250991

>>51251404
Why do you keep posting this

>>51251427

because he hated Rogue 1.

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>>51250832
If only they had managed to fit a dozen more moments like this into the show. I feel like some of his cartoony-niss could have been helped. I mean they couldn't have gotten rid of it, but they could reduced the effects of it.
Overall a wasted villain,

How the fuck do you beat Soontir Fel? He gets so many tokens it's ridiculous.

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>>51251533
Throw enough dice at him, and he dies, like anything else. Red always trumps green, even with tokens.

>>51251512
More like how he gives TFA a pass for everything thing he shits on R1 for.

>>51251693
TFA had much better characters than R1 though.

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I'm still playing around with Rebel fleet lists for an Armada campaign. Here is the latest I've come up with.

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=70625&key=1a599088f41dee508a157a6586af1bac

This might be my favorite. I really like assault frigates, and even CR90s pack a punch in an Ackbar fleet. I think I'll be able to outmaneuver most relevant Imperial stuff -- ISDs have the same movement chart as the assault frigates, but it's easier to keep someone in your side arc than your front, especially with as wide of a side arc as the assault frigate has. I think the squadrons are tough enough to tangle with enemy fighter wings, and they're all solid against ships. I even have the Wedge/Dutch combo, and they and Gold Squadron can become "veterans" (veteran squadrons can reroll any number of attack dice twice per mission).

For upgrades as the campaign goes on, I like Gunnery Team (I could do Veteran Gunners if I find I'm not getting many double shot opportunities), Electronic Countermeasures, and probably XX-9 Turbolasers for upgrades on the assault frigates, and probably Turbolaser Reroute Circuits or Slaved Turrets on the CR90s. Here is how I imagine the list might look if we get enough resources to hit the 500-point cap:

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The one thing I'm really not sure of is my assault objective. Most Wanted is a pretty easy choice in any list that isn't just big ships, but really anything other than Station Assault or Close-Range Intel Scan would be fine, I think.

Any input?

>>51251740
>Finn goes from brainwashed-from-early-youth slave to wise cracking, hooting and hollering American black man in the space of 5 minutes

Okay, Mike.

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I like to imagine this isn't an art error, but crippled Royal guardsmen get to serve as Coruscant guard.

>>51251907
At least he has an arc. The Rogue One characters don't have any development and very little characterisation.

Saying TFA's characters are better than R1's isn't saying they're GOOD. It's a low bar.

>>51250966
Probably because the thing would need a sea of fuel per mission, and as a planetary vehicle used at a galactic scale would make it expensive, I mean don't get me wrong an AT-AT is expensive but it doesn't spend fuel by standing and shooting and when it moves, it does it slow.

Thats too a reason why we still use tanks instead of going full gunship/attack aircrafts.

>>51251971
IMO
minimal characrter arcs>arcs so hackneyed that they hurt the movie

Because R1's characters felt much less schizophrenic than TFA's.

>inb4 because they had no characters lolol
They objectively had character traits. Whether they were sufficently well drawn is a different issue.
Let's refrain from "gotcha" comments please.

>>51252137
Finn was a bit jarring, I'll give you that, but Han, Poe and Rey felt organic enough. You can make valid enough arguments about Rey being a sue, but she was still a likeable enough character who developed over the course of the movie and had believable enough motivations.

Also I honestly chalk Finn up to usual Star Wars bullshit. Star Wars isn't a realistic series, it's fantasy shit for kids.

>>51252194
>Han
reset back to ANH circumstances
>Poe
Truly, what character? He barely has any screentime.
>Rey
What's likeable about her?
The fact that she knows the Falcon better than Han? (bypassed the compressor)

>>51252242
I can see there's not much point having this discussion with you. Gonna go ahead and just agree to disagree.

>>51252277
What?
I'd be happy to hear why you think my points are somehow incorrect.

>>51252290
I can tell this is going to be the same tired discussion about TFA that these generals have seen about a hundred times, I can't really be bothered.

>>51252311
Sorry that you can't admit that you're wrong, Mike.
JJ's bribery fund will run out someday.
Think of your children.

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Super secret Kyber refinary that's vital to the Death Star project:
>Located on Eadu
>One AAA laser
>Four TIE Fighters
>Goes down to a strafing run and a single proton bomb
>Mostly concealed by its obscure location and storms on planet rather than physical defenses
>Doesn't have visible industrial elements

Imperial Archive
>Scarif
>Planetary shield guarded by an extremely durable, redundant system of gates
>Two ISDs and TIE squadrons on station at all times
>Has a permanent, sizable garrison of stormtroopers with specialist support for the planet's enviornment(shoretroopers)
>Ground based TIEs on hand as redundancy
>Ground based cargo haulers that also double as heavy combat vehicles, which imply industrial activity

I feel like these locations should have been reversed.

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I swear I saw it at some point but does anyone know what FFG rpg book the DE-10 is in?

>>51252351
Don't worry, the writers just didn't put much thought into it like usual.

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>>51252351
Wasn't a refinery. It was just a research base.

>>51252351
I don't think the Imperial archive should have had less defenses, but the fucking labratory where your cooking up the death star laser should have at least had some sort of orbital protection at least. Maybe some sort of early warning system?

>>51252242
>The fact that she knows the Falcon better than Han? (bypassed the compressor)
The compressor that she helped the scrap-merchant asshole install if you fucking listened you goddamn mongoloid.

>>51252372
I remember that gun from SWG, never got a chance to use it though, since teras kasi was leagues better than most other combat.
Might be in the corellia book for Edge.

>>51252351

Eadu is like, a research base for one secret imperial project.

Scarif is the library holding records for like, a shitload of imperial secret projects.

Not that either Garrison was exactly on the ball, Krennic has to yell at the fucking librarians to actually deploy their troops.

Getting into Armada, got 2-core games, rebel fighter and imperial fighter squadrons I and II. What would be good to go for next? For both factions.

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>>51252399
The problem with an active orbital defense is that it acts like a big warning sign saying "SECRET THING HERE".

They might have been a passive defense (minefields, alert beacons, etc.) that would detect incoming ships, unless they were flown by an Imperial pilot who knew the route well. The storms and the canyons - the very, very deadly canyons - would take care of any invasion force. Any small starfighters or bombers were going to get through anyway. Defenses sufficient to protect the base would also give it away.

>>51252347
Mike shits on TFA plenty though, he just shits on Rogue One more.

>>51252372
I think either sons of fortune or far horizons

>>51252395
>>51252442
>Wasn't a refinery

Could have sworn it said refinery in the movie. The Wook says that they researched fusing Kyber crystals together, so it may be that they were doing low level experiments in refining the crystals without industrial scale stuff.

>>51252498
I like this answer best, it's exactly what Thrawn said about Wayland's defenses-that a fleet of Star Destroyers, a garrison of stormtroopers, and AT-ATs practically advertise the presence of secret projects which could be infiltrated. So Wayland was defended by one Dark Jedi sufficient to beat anyone poking his nose around. I remember thinking about that quote during the movie when I was comparing Eadu and Scarif,and the similarities are great enough that I wonder if the writers read the Thrawn trilogy.

Speaking of EU references, did anyone else notice the similarities to the Battle of Kothis?

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>>51252565
>Speaking of EU references, did anyone else notice the similarities to the Battle of Kothis?
Nah, I got a TFU2 Space Battle vibe.

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I really want an art book from Rogue One and I've only got enough dosh for one, Visual Dictionary or The Art Of, /swg/?

>>51252597
Is that a gladiator class star destroyer?

>>51252411
Han, with his decades of Falcon experience, would know exactly where the bottleneck was.

Nice try, JJ.

Also,
>implying Han doesn't know where compressors go on the Falcon.

>>51252511
And that's a problem. The problem being that there are people who value his opinions.

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>>51251040
Flying wings are pretty neat, the J-type looks like its borrowed a bit from the YB49.
With some stealth covered panels, gut the interior and replaced with internal torpedo bays, it'd be your very own space B2

>>51252601
I've seen fewer leaks form the artbook than the UVG.

>>51252611
One Gladiator and Two ISDs, guarding Kamino which was supposed to still be important at the time.

>>51252627
Wasn't he also busy with other shit?

>>51251068

> things I'm happy are dead .jpg

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>>51252498
Continuing this thought, there's another issue. Secrecy is contagious.

Say you have a secret. Any document that references that secret is also secret. Any document that references the existence of the previous document is secret. It quickly starts to spiral out of control.

The Manhattan project was a great example. There's a (probably apocryphal) story that a scientist was disciplined for having a paperweight shaped like a sphere. The implosion cores, you see, were spherical... and secret. Therefore anything that could potentially reference them was also a secret. The auditors weren't told what they were searching for (because that was a secret). They were just told some of the features of it.

So you're running a weapons program. The aim is to blow up planets. Every person you add to the program increases the risk that your secret gets out.

Go from 10 TIE fighters to 100? Those hundred fighters need fuel, repairs, barracks staff, training, replacements, drills, etc...

You can obfuscate things a little. Construction workers building the massive uranium separators at Los Alamos thought that they were building prisons for Hitler and his goons or a government utopian experiment. Despite all the secrecy, the project still leaked like a sieve. Too many people.

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>>51252601
The art book is glorious and the commentary is well worth reading. I'm sad that I can't scan it for you guys.

>>51252242
>Truly, what character? He barely has any screentime

He has a character though. You know what kinda guy he is, despite his limited screentime.

He's caring, he's confident, he's competent, he's brave. He's one screen for fourteen seconds but he still goes out of his way to genuinely give a shit about other people. He doesn't 'learn' something or develop, but it's not like you don't understand what he is.

He's the fucking dude every dude wants to be.

>>51250598
>but they had AT-ATs brought down FROM ORBIT on these things
Please don't remind me that the Gozanti exists for a while...

started running an AoR game, and not only did I give them a Gozanti as their party ship at the end of their first session, not only was it kitted out to best suit the party, but the thing was given additional quirks and traits to give it some personality and feel like a character in itself. and one of the players, without consulting anyone else in the party just gave it away, not sold, gave it away because "it was too big". Some members of the party are miffed with him about it and honestly so am I, just wanted to get that out.

>>51252655
Interestingly, this also means that bases like Scarif act as a red herring. As events went down, the Rebels hit Galen's facility too late and are forced to go to Scarif. But without Jyn and Bodhi acting as their inside man, the Alliance would have been forced to hit Scarif once they realized what the Death Star was because they had no other options if they wanted information about it. They would be so focused on hitting the big, obvious base that they would have completely missed the much more secretive but more important one, and committed themselves to a devastating battle.

That's what's so tragic about Rogue One-if Jyn had recieved Galen's message six months earlier the Alliance could have destroyed the Kyber refinery and slowed down the superlaser research enough to make a difference.

>>51252633

Nubian ships are usually sparse on the Hardpoints though, IIRC. They build them incredibly well made and produced and put together and they use that one specific type of wrench you can't find fucking anywhere and why the fuck would you have it, literally nobody but Nubia uses them. They're like reverse CEC who have built ships with the same tools for a thousand years and literally leave empty space in the frame so you can tuck a missile launcher or make some space for a bigger hyperdrive, or move in a couple extra shield generators in.

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>>51252565
The base's design looks like it should have contained 30-40 people, with proper Star Wars scale nonsense. They even made the pilots stay offsite at the landing pads to preserve one more layer of secrecy.

They didn't do any of the actual production or large-scale testing there. They weren't even aware how close the weapon was to completion and testing. Construction seems to have been totally separate. Galen probably never saw the Death Star.

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>>51252708
That's a problem with your player, anon, not with the ship or the setting.

What a twat.

>>51252655
> Construction workers building the massive uranium separators Los Alamos thought that they were building prisons for Hitler

"Wait, you're telling me this enormous, lead-lined steel drum that we're going to surround with literally 2-feet of concrete is designed to hold *one man*??"

"Er, um, yes. You see...Hitler is...er...a wizard."
"Wow, really?!"
"As long as there are no further questions - yes, absolutely. Hitler is a wizard."

>>51252728
Sounds like the knuckle raping misery of trying to do maintenance on a Saab or Peugeot

Most of the Nubian gear was tailor made, they have a pattern and basically tailor make it individually for each sale kind of like the old school coachbuilders at the start of motorcars, they'd have a chassis and stick whatever bodywork, engine, driveline, interior etc into it for an unearthly amount of money.

is boarding a standard tactic? or is it only done when they need something specific from the ship and cant afford to damage it with their guns

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>>51252768
Heh, no, see, it was more sensible than that.

They're building a huge concrete building - and I do mean huge, this thing was like three airplane factories put together - under strict secrecy. They're doing it in the middle of the most god-forsaken place on Earth, where the heat and the dust makes everything intolerable.

“RESTRICTED INFORMATION”

It is a “Military Secret”
And I shouldn’t breath a word
But if you will promise not to tell
I’ll tell you what I’ve heard.

What is building here at Hanford
Is quite a mystery
But I’ve found out what it is
And will confide in thee.

It is a torture ground for Hitler
And all his Nazi bunch
And all the other Axis rats
After the final punch.

That he’ll have to live here
Should be bad enough itself
But nothing is quite appropriate
When it comes to his future health.

And so we are spending millions
And considerable effort too
To perfect conditions unbearable
For all the motley crew.

I’ve told you more than I should have
And the details — I wouldn’t dare
That is why it is such a secret —
It would give Hitler too great a scare.

The war might be prolonged
Hitler staving off defeat
With knowledge of his Hanford fate
He would be truly hard to beat.

So promise not to tell a soul
Unless they swear secrecy
For what I have just told
Might put off Victory.

>>51252707
But that's not a character so much as an audience insert prop.

>>51252708
That sounds awful, why would anyone do that.

my players have wrecked/abandoned their third ship, a HWK-290 with an autoblaster

>>51252766
Oh know the Gozanti's a cool little ship, but now when I see it, I'm reminded how frustrated I am.

at least until next Thursday where hopefully that will get resolved, one way or the other.

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>>51252768
>The contractors building Kyber containment containers thought they were building specialized prisons for Jedi
>Kyber crystals were transported through a remote landing pad next to a farm, except the grain tower contained flak cannons and E-Webs
>Workers are flown around so many hyperspace routes that they genuinely did not know where in the galaxy they were

Honestly, given Star War's WWII influence, it genuinely suprises me that no one has put in Manhattan project parrallels with the Death Star. There was some crazy shit done to keep it secret. These are all based on actual things done in real life.

>>51252825

yes, that is the point of the genre

>>51252860
No?
And if it was, wouldn't he be the main character?

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>>51252842
>>51252768

"Say... what's that big divot for?"
"What divot?"
"That dish thing on the side of the battlestation. Seems a bit odd. I mean, the whole thing is a perfect sphere except for this bit right there."
"Oh, that thing? It's the hyperwave antenna dish."
"Really? It's huge!"
"Yeah, KS-4401 told me that, when it's done, we'll have 55TB/s download speed in the barracks. Twi'lek porn holograms so real you can see their eyelashes. And all the premium channels too."
"Fucking awesome! The Emperor is the best."

>>51252830
>why would anyone do that.
I think it's a control issue...
I don't know he gets these very narrow visions of how things should play out and gets wierd about deviation. Also I'm told that when he GM's games he takes the philosophy "keep the players hungry" to an extreme, so it might be a case of him enforcing his philosophy in my games despite my own GM approach being "The better equipped they are, the more I don't have to pull my punches".

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>>51252842
I bet a pretty considerable portion of the Death Star's crew were astonished when Jedah/Scarif/Alderaan exploded.

>>51252601
>Has an AR mag and a fucking .50 BMG mag in the space AR
muh dick

>>51252627
You realize Han hasn't seen the Falcon in years and it's gone through 3 owners before Han got it back, right? Who knows how many modifications were made to her in that time.

Also like >>51252637 said he was busy with other shit.

Honestly anon, it just seems like you want to hate on TFA for the sake of it.

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>>51252601
Wait... this must have been from a cut section where the character had to fight their way down to the surface with the data tape or something.

Neat.

>>51251515
Grievous was an obnoxious shitfuck, but making him fight those cunts actually made me root for him for once.
I just wish he had killed that useless sack of shit Ventres.

>>51252967

I'm pretty sure that's canonical in Lost Stars. Some of the main characters are top-level graduates of Coruscant's officers academy and they don't know what the fuck they're stationed on until it starts blowing shit up.

Hrm, actually, I need to double-check now. I think it was still spaced so that R1 doesn't interfere with that book any. It would perfectly suit the tone of Lost Stars if say, Thane was flying wing for those bomber-shuttles Vader probably rode with over scarif for instance.

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>>51253019
Trying to reconcile canon is a fool's game anon. Tell stories, don't try and fit other people's stories together.

>>51253006

Yeah, I think it's been all but explicitly stated (and maybe was explicitly stated) that the ending was reshot so Jyn could have a more direct confrontation with Krennic and kind of resolve that before the great Tarkin "Resolve-my-problems-o-tron" wraps that situation up.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Millennium_Falcon#Other_systems_and_equipments
>The Falcon's main source of power was a Quadex power core.[1] Its main computer was made of three droid brains cannibalized from an R3-series astromech droid, a V-5 transport droid and a slicer droid
Wait, does this mean the Falcon is technically a giant droid and is technically sentient?

>TFA characters are great maymay
>Poe has a character maymay
>Poe/Finn was intentional, just like Dumblegaydor and KorraSammi, no, really, guys, its totally not publicity stunts

>>51253052
Depends on your perspective I guess. Droid brains in ships seem pretty common. Any ship which accepts remote commands theoretically has a droid brain. So Slave 1 definitely.

>>51253074
No one ITT has said TFA characters are great. Just better than Rogue One.

How hard is this to understand?

>>51253090
Don't feed the shitposter.

>>51252989
>Honestly anon, it just seems like you want to hate on TFA for the sake of it.
But we already agreed that Finn's character arc is a mess, so no, I have valid reasons. I hate TFA because it's a shit continuation of the SW saga.

Luke ran and hid on a rock for years because a teenager rekt his school, because JJ needed his old Ben clone.

>>51253090
>Just better than Rogue One.
Explain why you think think this.

>>51253096
The differing opinion=shitpost meme is the real shitpost here.

>>51253122
R1 characters were just tropes with no growth. Monk, heavy weapons guy, quirky wisecrack guy, etc.
TFA had boring supergirl, but the others were actual people.

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>>51253052
Droids only become sentient if they're not regularly wiped or modified and have enough stimulus and challenge. The Falcon is Frankenstein's idiot. It functions, but it's not going to do a lot of independent planning.

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does the Hwk have stats for the RPG yet?

i plan on giving the players the same choices as the HWK in X-wing

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>>51253142
Unlike Princess, Farm Boy Hero Archetype, Wise Old Man, and Skeptical Scum?

Star Wars isn't a very nuanced setting when it comes to character archetypes.

>>51253171
Yes, there's a HWK-290 and a larger HWK-1000 which is basically FFG's light freighter sized OC donut steel version. I'll post the stats for both, gimme a sec.

>>51253006
Yeah, we see in the trailer, Jyn and Cassian running through the train station on the base with the data disc.
Like they were going to make their way back to the shuttle to transmit it.

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>>51253171
>>51253189

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>>51253191
It does explain why that weird transmitter dish on the tower doesn't appear in the sketches until waaaay later. It was literally bolted on.

Neat.

>>51252750
For security of the Empire, it was most likely that only Galen even knew that they were working on the Death Star as a whole. The rest of the team on-site would have been focusing on one aspect of it while other teams on other planets would be working on other aspects. With only the management really knowing all the details and how they fit together.

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>>51253218

>>51253142
Finn was bad written trash, and you know it. Han was just there, Poe has no more character than any of R1 chars and you know it. Also, Jun was better written supergirl in my opinion.

>>51253186
Except all of those used those archetypes as a starting point and built from there and grew into fully fleshed characters.
Don't try to go for the oversimplification shit. Just makes you look like an idiot reaching very hard.

>>51253142
>but the others were actual people
see
>>51251907

I really don't know who you're trying to fool.

>>51253265
>Also, Jun was better written supergirl in my opinion.
She goes from not wanting jack shit to do with the rebellion to being a radical revolutionary demagogue with no explanation.

>>51253265
>Jun
If she was so well written, how come you can't even remember her name?
>supergirl
Oh, you're retarded.

>>51253280
But her daddy died! And she watched the Rebels do it!
So.. now she's going to help the rebels. Any way she can. Because the plot says so.

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>>51252887
>Director Krennic slumped down at his desk. It had a been a long day of arguing with the fleet officers about the need to arm the Death Star. He'd argued that screening it with a fleet of ISDs would be more economical than covering the entire surface with turbolasers, and General Tagged had concurred.
>But they insisted on arming it-"a battle station that could have won the Battle of Coruscaunt singlehandedly" they said with stars in their eyes. His points about the CIS fleet's ability to simply fly around it were ignored.
>He reached for a bottle of Alderrannian reserve on his desk. For now at least, he was done dealing with idiots and could focus on his.
>Suddenly, a loud crash followed by shouting echoed from outside. He looked up from his desk, one hand falling to the heavy blaster at his waist
>Someone slammed into the door right as it opened automatically, then stumbled into the room in a daze, looking all around so fast that Krennic couldn’t see his face. His grey hair was flekced with white and he smelled like he’d been covered in the noxious defensive spray of various small mammals throughout the galaxy.
>An officer tugged on his sleeve, “Sir please, you’re not authorized to meet with the director, now please just...”
>The man struck back with startling force, and the officer stumbled, clearly taken aback. Krennic stood up-”What is the meaning of this?” he said, slowly drawing his blaster.
>The other man turned around, and his pudgy face broke into a grin “Orson! It’s been too long”
>As Krennic met the man’s wild blue eyes, his jaw dropped “By the stars, Raith Sienar? Come man, sit and have a drink!”

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Oh boy it's time for the daily TFA shitflinging
And here I thought I came to /tg/ star wars threads to get away from this shit Looking at you /swco/

>>51253284
>>supergirl
>Oh, you're retarded.
Try reading the comment chain, you god damn piece of shit.
see
>>51253142
>supergirl

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>>51253290
Are you the crazy anon from last thread who kept conflating your schitzo dreams with things that actually happened?

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>>51253323
>The officer had left them and Seinar was scribbling on a wall, his back obscuring the director’s view. “Now look Orson, I know exactly why you’ve got that big hole in the battle station. Brilliant man, brilliant, just incredible really.”
>Krennic smiled in his direction, glad that someone appreciated his vision, “Ah Raith, I should have figured a man of your talents would puzzle it out. That’s top secret stuff though-if you leak it to anyone I’ll have to test it out on you.” Krennic chuckled at his own joke, then frowned as Sienar whipped around far too fast to be natural, his eyes wide as dinner plates
>”Yes yes, secret secret, but so brilliant! I mean just to think, a hangar that large!”
>Krennic’s frown deepend, “Hanagar?”
>Sienar’s smile widened in response “Yes yes a hanagar! The largest one I’ve ever seen! Bigger than a hundred Venators! No wonder the fleet officers were saying this could have won the Clone Wars. But Orson I can do better than fill that with TIEs.”
>Krennic chuckled politely, “Raith your narrowness of vision amuses me, you see...”
>”Narrow?!” Raith threw his pen across the director’s desk, “I’m thinking big Orson! As big as this battle station. Now behold a TIE worthy of the Stardust project.”
>He gestured grandly to his scribbles which appeared to be a small, narrow star destroyer with solar panels. Krennic no longer had any idea how to react-the man was being completely serious.
>”I can fill this hanagar with them, a perfect blend of TIE and starship, and carrying EVEN MORE TIES. It’ll be brilliant, BRILLIANT I SAY, AND IT’LL SHOW THOSE CONTRACTORS WHO UNDERCUT ME ON STARDUST WHAT FOR!”
>Krennic stood up and salpped the man. Sienar stood there as a dumbfounded as a bantha who’d just taken an astrogation course. Krennic gripped him by the shoulders.
>”Raith, listen to me, we’re building a top secret project, but it’s not a hangar. Please cease this nonsense.”

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>>51253335
>Sienar’s shoulders began convulsing. Krennic moved away, and then suddenly Sienar tilted his head up and howled with laugher. “Oh I know what it is Orson-but I couldn’t believe it. It’s a superlaser.”
>Krennic moved fast to deny- “Raith that’s ridiculous, that would be utterly impractical and expensive. You’ve been taking too many stims again, why don’t you...”
>Sienar snapped at that moment
>”First the B-Wing engineers and now this. Superlaser, superlaser, GODDAMN SUPERLASERS WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT TO BUILD ONE? THEY’RE EXPENSIVE AND UGLY. THEY DON’T EVEN MAKE THE COOL AND DISTINCTIVE WHINE OF A TIE FIGHTER. THIS STATION IS UGLY, YOU’RE UGLY, AND IT’D BE A LOT CHEAPER TO BUY MORE FIGHTERS AND MY NEW SHIPS!”
>Sienar began advancing, still rantinga bout superlasers, and Krennic’s ahnd flashed up to hit him with a stun blast. He crumpled to the floor, still muttering under his breath.
>15 minutes later, his officers had cleared him out. “Make sure to wipe his memory, we can’t tolerate a breach. And officer...” Krenic sighed, “send a memo out to Sienar Fleet Systems requesting the development of a cruiser fitted with twin ion engines and solar panels.”
>The officer nodded and left. Krennic sat down at his desk, feeling even more exhausted than before at his impromptu meeting. He reached for his bottle again...only to discover that in the chaos Sienar had broken the bottle.
>”Well,” he muttered to himself, “in a few more months the superlaser will be done. You’ll take control of the station, get a promotion to Grand Admiral, and then Tarkin will have to deal with that idiot.
>He smiled to himself. Yes, soon everything would be Tarkin’s problem.

>>51253331

I'm saving this for something else.

>>51253335
why does the raider need solar panels?

>>51253353

[Sounds of Raith Sienar slapping a bitch intensify]

>>51253353
Sienar wills it.

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>>51253323
>"Ya like Skyoppers?"
>"Sorry?"
>"The T-16s. Ya know." Rath made incoherent swooshing noises and stared at the ceiling.
>"Yes, I know of them."
>"I'm going to make you a shuttle JUST like them. But... flatter."
>"I'm flattered, but"
>"And black. And... a lot of guns."

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>>51253349
Saving what?

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>>51253394
I wrote three posts and you topped me with two lines. Brevity truly is the soul of wit, bravo anon.

>>51253434

My free sample of snowcrash.

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>>51253394

How did the meme of Reith Sienar being a coked up nutcase start?

>>51253361
>>51253365
Sienar is stupid. Nothing else needs solar panels, why do TIEs need them? They should be replaced with something useful like FUCKING SHIELDS

>>51253519

Have you SEEN some of the shit which comes out of SFS R&D department?

>>51253519
Have you SEEN all the versions of the TIEs?

>>51253528
shields eat power
solar panels produce power
nigger, i dont care if they get shot down, but if they eat one more unit of fuel i am throwing them out the airlock

>>51253528

Shields only encourage a pilot to get shot, you boob. We don't reward failure in this Empire. You learn how not to get shot, or you get dead!

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>>51253435
>"Gentlemen, behold! Unparalleled dogfighting capabilities in /both/ of the major axes of movement!"
>"Uh, sir?"
>"Yes, I know, it's very impressive. But please, save your fawning for the end of the presentation."
>"Sir, there are... three axes. And I have some concerns about the ability of your design to... pitch."
>"Look, it turns from side to side, right? And it goes forward REALLY fast, with that distinctive noise, right?"
>"I suppose."
>"Well, why would it ever need to pitch up or down? I mean, it's not like you're going to use this for atmospheric fights."
>"Sir... you've labelled it 'Atmospheric Strike TIE' "
>Rath stared at the technician with bleary, hate-filled eyes, then stared at the rear panel on his latest design.
>"I suppose you could... remove that rear panel, sir."
>"GET OUT!"

>>51253552
Sienar built the Batplane too?

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>>51253519
This thread right here was the direct origin of the greentexts-I'm actually the guy who asked about the improbable fighter designs and got the ball rolling. But as other anons have said, the meme originates to mock the ever more ridiculous TIE designs which come out of the EU.

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>>51253459
>"Now there's going to be a /slight/ problem landing if the wings ever get stuck. But don't worry, I've designed it to tip forwards so you can still escape."
>Rath paused and scratched his chin. "Or was that backwards, to give you a fortified firing position? Anyway, I'm sure you'll sort it out."

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Incom was here. Sienar Fleet Systems ships are dweebs

Some of you guys are ok. Don't go to the new Imperial battlestation tomorrow

>>51253576

>RZ-1 A-Wings are held together by electrical tape and prayers

He's not wrong.

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>>51253592
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Incom (tm) Brand Starfighter built with Genuine Incom (tm) parts LITERALLY SHAKING ITSELF TO PIECES AROUND ME.

Have you fuckers ever heard of welding, or do you just have some sort of bolt fetish? I swear to god some of these panels are riveted. Rivets! I'd make a coal-burning engine joke but I've seen the Headhunter.

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>>51253545
just going to leave the single dumbest thing he has made

>>51253627
One of my favorite facts about the old EU is that A-Wings are an open source design manufactured differently by everyone. It's as if you gave out the design to the MiG-25 to civilian contractors, for use by private forces, and then forgot to tell everyone you'll burn the engines out going over Mach 2.83.

>>51253633

I'd love if this... 8-Wing? D-Wing? Whatever - was real.

Up to six primary guns, probably switch two for ions, looks like some kind of ordinance rack on those wings. It's like a babbu-B-Wing only without all the complex moving parts. I bet Koensayr made it.

>>51253633
We can't all win government contracts because our daddy was Republic Senator. Oops, you don't use that "bad" word, Republic, anymore do you? Fucking Imperial-dick sucking immoral contract-hounds

At least we know how install a fucking hyperdrive on a standard fighter. BTW, Defender is clearly just the X-Wing with two extra s-foils, you hacks

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>>51253650
Not even in the top 10. There's a combined image out there somewhere.

>>51253633
>we have too many headhunters
>i know, lets combine 2 of them
>4 guns, 4 engines, 4 wings, what can go wrong?
>it kind of looks like an X, lets call it an X-wing

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>>51253633
Goddamn fucking rivets, every single one of those fucking things has to be secured and checked, it's a fucking nightmare. I used to work on X-Wings and I thought S-Foils were bad, then they transferred me to U-Wing duty. Those swing-wings are stuffed with enough flammable hydraulics to start a fire on Hoth and more rivets than the Death Star had fighters. We spent 18 hours on a routine maintenance job just on the wings, more when it came under stress. Everyone always talks about how Cassian Andor was one of the "heroes of the rebellion' but no one had to work on his ship after he jumped to hyperspace from a fucking gravity well.

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>>51253675
We don't need to put hyperdrives on fighters because we have something called "military infrastructure". Give it a try sometime. Oh wait, you can't afford it.

>>51253674
Why not make it real? I mean, this is /tg/...

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>>51253705
Best part is that the wings do nothing. NOTHING.

They were just added to make it more appealing to local governments with more money than sense. They're the gull wing doors of the starfighter world... and the thing isn't even a starfighter.

Could be worse though...

>>51253650
>>51253679

Where did all this dumb shit come from?

>>51253679
So basically a defender with the solar wing-y bits inverted?

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>>51253705
Seriously, FUCK swing wings. Look at this shit. I showed it to a droid who'd just been transferred to do basic damage diagnostics and his fucking motivator blew up. Three of my people have suffered from alchohol poisoning just this goddamn week. I have people requesting to be rotated to work on Y-Wings. Y-WINGS.

>>51253746
Coke binge, probably. It works from time to time

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>>51253746
Sienar Fleet Systems, motherfucker.

>>51253767
I know that. I mean what's the source for all the images?

>>51253753
yeah, but isnt the maintenance worth the extra maneuverability afforded by the ability to lock S-foils?

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[Sounds of ISDs exploding in the distance because of TRS]

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>>51253774
See that little triangle next to the post number?

If you click on it, you can scroll down to "Image Search -> Google"

>>51250962
>they just straight up used a mover from the lighting department to make a spotlight for the front of the landing craft

not sure if lazy or genius

Wonder if it's plugged in to the stereo system for dynamic lighting

>>51253785
why do mon cals make all the good things?
and why do they sacrifice ease of servicing in favor of performance?

>>51253785
>ywn have a Razor Rendezvous level in a game ever again

>>51253739
Gull wing doors on a car are actually even better than normal doors because they need less space to open and get out than you would with traditional doors.
Delorean doors could open with only 10 inches of clearance. Normal doors couldn't open and let you out with that little space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJ9H_ma3Bs

If there's one thing to know, it's that Raith Sienar is basically Star Wars answer for oglaf's dwarves

>>51253709
I'm sorry we don't build fighters that can't function independently of a single military regimes doctrine. We prefer things like being adaptable, long-lasting, non-disposable and not dependent upon Big Sheevs money. I'm sorry he delayed the payments on his fucking everything he's bought from you for another twelve rotations. It's so hard for the empire to drum up cash to pay you when they run out of worlds to extort

>>51253821
>Oglaf dwarves invent a Death Star
>it's a giant, flaming cock with bat wings
>that shoots smaller, giant flaming cocks with bat wings out of its urethra

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>>51253818
Yes, and that's why they dominate the market.

No, wait, they're hideously difficult to maintain, you always hit your head on the way our, the seals leak and fill your car with water, and god forbid you want to use them when it's snowing or raining.

Just like rotary engines, they're neat on paper, cool in one or two designs a generation, and pretty much useless otherwise.

>>51253800

Well, I think Verpine still made it work. S&K is still canonical.

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>>51253844
Wait... you think Sienar is doing this for the money?

This is performance art!

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>>51253849
>basing all your complaints on a single failure of a car company
That's why you let a real car company make the gull wing doors.
And hitting your head on the way out? You have to be a special kind of stupid for that.

>>51253775
You work a whole day's shift on that shit buddy and we'll see what you say then. At least the T-70 made X-Wings bearable to work on since all the systems are easy to access and the surfaces flat, before that it was sheer hell. Imagine having to lie down on a cylindrical engine for six hours straight working on that shit.

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>>51253877
>Hitler existed in the Star Wars galaxy, and his name was Raith Sienar
>He got rejected from art school, but couldn't become dictator because Sheev was in charge
>So instead he founded a company to create bullshit TIE designs
The mor you know

>>51253889

Well, I suppose it could be easier if the used TIEs. Those just go pop and there's nothing left to maintain.

>>51253848
>WE MADE A GIANT FLAMING SPACE DICK
>AND THE FIRE ISNT MADE THE SAME AS THOSE OF PUSSY ASS STARS
>ITS FUKKEN FIRE
>IN SPACE
>AND IT JIZZES EVEN SMALLER FLAMING SPACE COCKS
>WHAT DO THOSE JIZZ?
>TAKE A WILD GUESS, MORE SPACE DICKS
>AND THOSE ONES JIZZ MORE FIRE!

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>>51253883
Or not a manlet.

But anyway, point is, at least you can still use the gull wing doors to get out of a car, even if they're a lousy way to do it.

The U-wing's wings though... those are just pure fluff.

>>51253928
>Or not a manlet
>he can't figure out how to duck his head

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>>51253906
Whenever you think your job is useless, just remember that someone went to school to be a TIE repair technician.

>>51253947
maybe they repair TIE defenders

>>51253968

People can hit TIE Defenders?

>>51253928

>The U-wing's wings though... those are just pure fluff.

Well, they do the same stuff S-Foils are always supposed to do. Radiate heat from the engines, and spread coverage on the magical force-field technology.

>>51253947
Easiest job in the world man. They're either minorly damaged or vaped. The contract is solid, good pay and benefits, even vacation days, and it's pretty easy for just a few techs to work a shift while the rest go on "supply runs" while stopping by the cafeteria. If you ever ask where your credits are going it's probably either TIE repair guys or Jedi historians(seriously, those guys get gov jobs that make BANK for some reason). I've also heard it's pretty easy working on Super Star Destroyers-there are so many goddamn people working on those things that it's easy to slack off.

Source: You don't know me, but my name's Cy, I'm just a TIE repair guy.

>>51253753
It could be worse, some poor fucks get assigned to maintain the specialist Seinar ships like the Advanced, Interceptors or Defender, which are just too expensive to replace when they (constantly and inevitably break). EVERYTHING IS PROPRIETARY: Screws, power couplings, engine parts, nothing on the ship is done to galactic standards, and there's never enough around because Seinar don't get paid enough for their spare part contracts to prioritise them.

Plus even the tools you have to work on them with are Seinar branded, and let me tell you two things about the Seinar Standard Repair tool; One, it's got 5 Solar Panels, all of which prevent you from either seeing what you're working on or holding the thing comfortably, and two, it has the lowest mortality rate of any Seinar manufactured object (just below the Seinar TIE Kettle), at 38% of users per operational man hour.

>>51254023
>nobody actually knows how to repair the defender since it was designed in secret by thrawn
>people just replace the broken parts and pretend they know what they are doing

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>>51254023
>Sienar TIE Kettle

>>51253947
I think you're more of a TIE salvage tech then a repairman.

>>51254065
>you have to survive at least 3 tours of duty, before you are allowed to use spare parts not pried from a wreckage

>>51254045
> tfw a savvy technician jury rigs an aftermarket part to replace one of the broken ones, only for the Imperial Navy to discover they're being sued by Seinar's Legal Division because the Defender detected non-standard alterations with its SRM (Starfighter Rights Management) software.

>>51253326
>And here I thought I came to /tg/ star wars threads to get away from this shit
You did. They just followed

>>51254077
and that is why the Defender was never mass-produced

>>51253996
>>51254023
>Everyone who knows what they're doing stays in the lower pay bracket of maintaining TIE Fighters, enjoying short shifts where they report half the squadrons as missing and patch up paint scuffs on the surviving ones
>The stupid ones are the people who spring for a raise to work on specialist TIEs, the biggest idiots do it for the "prestige" and "career building oppurtunities." Some of them hate their jobs so much that they actively sabotage repairs in hopes of getting "demoted" back to fighter work.

>>51254109
>Eventually the Empire caught on to the rampant inefficiency in their maintenance sector and turned them into salvage specialists. TIE repair guy went from being one of the cushiest jobs to one of the most dangerous, grueling, unforgiving pieces of work in the entire Empire.

>>51254109
> Some of them hate their jobs so much that they actively sabotage repairs in hopes of getting "demoted" back to fighter work.
Thankfully, that's pretty easy, I once had a tech over-tighten a screw by about half a pound of force reattaching the fuel gauge on an Interceptor. This instantly caused a catastrophic stress fracture which spread through the entire craft (as there is zero compartmentalization in Seinar designs) spontaneously disassembling it. Then it exploded. Have I mentioned the Seinar Standard Repair Tool has no way of monitoring the force with which something is being screwed in, nor any way to fine tune it beyond a two stage trigger with the settings of "mindnumbingly slow" and "will put out enough torque to break your arm at the wrist when the thread runs out"? Because it doesn't.

>>51254203
you know some guys managed to fit a (small) shield onto an interceptor, it didnt affect the performance much but it sued so much power that the solar cells couldnt keep up and its fuel was eaten in half the time

i never heard from them again

Are all the Incredible Cross Section books compiled somewhere? I don't see them in the OP resources, though I may just be a blind fucking idiot.

>>51250962
>pilot literally sticks out alone outside the ship
>can be shot off in one hit, which kills everyone else
>because cameras apparently don't exist
>oh, wait, they do, but only on Han's new freighter as hall monitors
>but not the Death Star or Starkiller base
>also, wireless communication existed in IV but not VI or later

>>51254337

>but not the Death Star

Han and Chewie shot out the cameras in the detention block

>>51251740
If your statement is correct, then R1 is even more multiculturally shitfaced than anyone could have ever imagined, because TFA's characters were the worst piles of shit ever put to celluloid, and yes I'm including digital in that, too.

>>51252311
We'd apologize for you having objectively wrong views, but you're too stupid to understand why.

>>51253552
Were we ever able to identify the death trooper transport form R1?

It looks like a Striker/U-wing hellspawn.

>>51254384
are death troopers the toughest standard infantry that can be fielded by the empire?

>>51252707
No, every dude does not want to be a literal queer, whoring after an interracial bang with no substance.

>>51253545
This is surprisingly good advice btw.

In actual combat mobility, speed and firepower are greater than armor.

TIE fighters are actually really well designed for the role they are intended for and the reason they probably don't see the KD ratios has more to do with plot armor than shielding.
Once you got someone on your ass you're dead anyway and TIEs out-turn pretty much everything and out-run all but a few.
So turn fighting AND energy fighting is impossible (except in an A-wing).

>>51254450
the battle on yavin has X-wings and TIEs fight reaosnably equally

>>51254450
tell that to the Y-wing, they go home half starfighter, half blaster plasma

>>51254458
I find the Yavin battle the most accurate because the shields don't really matter as much as movement and 3 TIEs can fuck up whole squadrons.

X-wings are about as fast as TIEs but nowhere near as maneuverable.

Considering that an X-wing is a multi-purpose fighter and a TIE Fighter is a dedicated interceptor this should be about right. Being made of paper doesn't matter if you can just out-turn your opponent and SW is all about LoS dogfights.

>>51254511
Gold Squadron didn't seem to have that problem.

F

>>51254450
Which is why the Zero did much better than the Hellcat. Right?

>>51254517
in vidya and in X-wing, shields can make you up to twice as tough

>>51254531
nothing survives vader sadly

>>51254548
First of all the Hellcat was developed later in the war because the Zero was fucking devastating the Wildcat.

Second of all the Hellcat was an energy fighter and could out-climb a Zero. So it did have a speed advantage.

Third of all the number one cause of pilot loss on the Japanese was ground fire and the Iowa class alone killed over 1/3 of all aircraft produced in the Pacific.

>>51254582
the wildcat could hold its own against the zero, with some squadrons getting more kills than losses

>>51254517
But in the Yavin battle the TIEs don't really seem to do particularly well against the X-Wings outside of the trench run? Nor do the Xs seem to have a lot of trouble keeping up with them or manoeuvring with them. So if we take the admittedly brief Battle of Yavin scenes as our starfighter canon, then movement indeed is more important, but the TIEs don't really seem notably better at it, or we can take the wider canon into consideration, where shields are stated to make ships substantially more durable, and X-Wings and Ys are also tougher still thanks to their sturdier construction and armour.

>>51254582
The X-Wing was also designed later than the TIE, and was intended to be the Hellcat to the TIE's Zero.

>>51254345
Oh, yes; of course. But only in the room. That room. Not in the prison hallway or any of the other hallways, much less anywhere on Starkiller, so Rey was able to run around all she liked. "We THINK they MAY be splitting up now…"

>>51254646
the interior shots of the X-wing show a lot of things detonating against the window pane, so the shield stops light frag, blaster bolts that they couldnt afford to show on the exterior at least

>>51254647
cameras are apparently expensive pieces of equipment you can only place is in high value areas

just like in the 70s

>>51250832
>>51251515
All of that was before Windu force-crushed his organs, he was probably incapable of fighting like he used to.

>>51250842
If you played Rogue One back in the day you'd get it, repulsor vehicles want to maintain a constant HAG and drastic changes can be dangerous, so a vehicle that can step over things like trenches would be useful. Also SW seems to have a "the slow blade penetrates the shield" thing going on, shields that stop tank cannons barely slow down battle droids on foot. The height also gives the troops inside a better vantage point to shoot at, and some worlds are easier to move around on with a walker like that, just look how dangerous it was on Endor, too fast you crash, too small you loose your footing, but a big, stompy walker would do fine.

>>51254709
It doesn't make sense for him to be coughing and sounding like his Episode III version and just generally acting like an incompetent dumb saturday morning villain. The ending of the 2003 cartoon where Mace crushes his lungs leads straight to the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.

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>>51253919
But Sienar has already designed a SPACE COCK

>>51254846
Sienar confirmed Oglaf dwarf

Is there a pdf of Friends Like These yet?

>>51254935

No sadly, I think an anon did share some of the Mandalorian stuff but that was it.

>>51253459

Anyone with the Visual Guide want to share the paragraph on Krennic's shuttle design? Something about a Cygnus team from the Mid Rim being used by Sienar? A lady with last name Tion was head designer, and liked origami or something and that's why she designed it like that?

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is there a point to this thing? the AT-ST looks like it does that things job

>>51255100
"You shut your whore mouth."- Raith Sienar

>>51254023
>EVERYTHING IS PROPRIETARY

I work as a mechanic and just reading this triggers my ptsd

>>51253899
For real life Raith, it's gotta be Ferdinand Porsche:

>Staggers into Hitler's war room, bleary-eyed and drunk.
>"Ferdinand! About your Tiger..."
>"Oh man oh man oh man. Look, I know you gave the contract to those pieces of shit at Henschel but right. I got the gun refitted, and now, right, it's an ELEFANT"
>"...What?"
>"OK so I was at the zoo, right, and I saw these cool animals. Elephants, you ever heard of them?"
>"... Erm.. yes..?"
>"So I looked at their trunks and I was like 'man... trunks are awesome'. And then I thought... Why don't I build a tank... with a trunk."
>"Porsche, are you OK?"
>"SO your problem with my Tiger was that the turret moved too much right?"
>"It was actually the driv..."
> "So I took off the turret and put in a BIGGER gun."

>>51255243
I've got metrics where imperial should be, and imperial where metric should. The casing around the wires is stripped, so they're just wrapped up reall good with electric tape. If it wouldn't fit back together I hammered it together. Oh, and the oil is my special 50/30/20 mix of motor, vegetable, and coconut oil. But the breaks seem a little stiff, can you take a look?

Review the lore for my upcoming SW oneshot, /swg/
>takes place on Tatooine before Ep 4
>Mon Mothma gives a briefing to a group of rebels that an old, brilliant general of the republic just popped up on Tatooine after going to hiding when the political climate changed
>it turns out he bought a new identity for himself, his wife and children with his affluence and was trying to harvest solar power from the vast, two-sunned desert planet
>unfortunately the Huttese decided to screw that up because it would not be beneficial to their growing mafia and after the costs of the operation went up due to sabotage, the idea was scrapped
>now he's fucking around in a sandcrawler, paying the last of his savings to a group of mercenaries to shelter himself and his family to the and sending SOS signals to space
>the Empire sends a token presence to investigate those signals while the Rebels really want the general in their ranks
>the rebels have to save him

Since Rogue One has done away with the rebels being totally squeaky-clean, I can finally run the campaign about the unpleasant underbelly without triggering my autism. My players have been badgering me about that for years now...
Less freedom fighters and more terrorists, basically. Any of got any plot hooks? I have a few ideas, but any help would be appreciated.

>>51255302
You should give a concrete reason beyond 'he doesn't like the empire' for him being in hiding - perhaps he refused to order ethnic cleansing or some such.

Make it clear that they're on the clock before an Imperial Security Bureau agent and goons arrive to take him into custody.

Maybe make it another planet.

>>51255449
The Empire are transporting a vital scientist and his work from his previous research lab (which was compromised by the rebellion) to a new black site where he will be almost certainly beyond the reach of the Alliance. To keep things on the downlow, he's being transported aboard a massive civilian liner in one of the luxury suites, though the ship has been filled with dozens of covert ImpInt/ISB agents. The scientist is a devout follower of the Empire, they cannot be turned, and his work represents a clear threat to the Alliance, so cell's mission is to eliminate him, no matter the collateral damage.

See how many seconds it takes before they realise just blowing the liner up is the path of least resistance.

I'm going to borrow the HWK from a friend to try it out with my scums, and so I'm trying to design a good list to try it out with. For shits and giggles I tried to make the most annoying and trolly list I could with my current ships:
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!213:188,1:43:25:;107::17:-1:U.22;107::17:-1:U.109;125:27,0,179,-1:3:-1:&sn=New%20Squadron
The problems I see is 1) Very low firepower, should probably replace the scyks with some heavy firepower maybe, and, 2) I have no idea how to kit out the HWK what the fuck am I doing?

just got an ARC-170 for X-wing
is it any good?

>>51255449
Maybe something about inciting riots on a world that is content with imperial rule? Dressing up in Stormtrooper uniforms to gun down civilians; bombing a zone where slight discontent was reported with a stolen TIE bomber; causing a leak in an imperial factory that poisons/irradiates/whatever the neighbourhood and bringing it to light; that sort of thing.
Basically, something nasty incurring civilian collateral for what rebel command might consider a disireable outcome.

>>51255673
for that, sounds like the alliance would fire them

>>51255715
Maybe, or maybe only if they get caught/found out, or maybe they'll just be disowned and tried as war criminals after the NR forms, when the rebels have the luxury of moral righteousness.

>>51255833
they fired saw, even before the battle of yavin, so even when fractured and bickering, morality is still first

>>51255715
Mon Mothma would, sure. But Draven or Gerrera wouldn't, I think.

>>51255842
Cassian's crew were explicitly described as people that did a lot of nasty shit over the years, saboteurs, assassins, bomb-throwers and the like, and all of them were still with the rebellion, so I don't think the 'morality first' thing holds true for the whole rebellion, especially not on the lower rungs.

>>51250815
>tiny at-ats curled up under the dropship
That's super cute.

>>51255880
general "zombie" riekan might be a really callous dude

>>51255588
>trusting the players to behave player-like
I guarantee you that no-one would even think of that. It's basically impossible under such circumstances.

Stop playing with two ships/bring Gunner

>>51255842
Saw's problem was he was overt, brazen in his brutality. Black ops wetwork or deep cover ops on the other hand, are invisible to the greater galaxy.

>>51255899
Really? Because I feel like half the time "blowing up the ship" is my players solution to every plot, even the ones that have nothing to with ships.

>>51255917
I think if I told my players to retrieve or kidnap the guy the ship would be smithereens by the time I finished the sentence, but if I told them "Neutralize this guy, any means necessary." I'd be subjected to hours of convoluted plots about irradiated glimmerstim or explosive gundarks.

>>51255987
>convoluted plots about irradiated glimmerstim or explosive gundarks.

I think I like your players.

>>51252842
All of the Tarkin Initiative is a Manhattan project parallel.

>TFA WUZ GREAT AND SHIEEET

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>>51256185
its still better than the prequels

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>>51254646
According to RotJ, Xs, Ys, and TIE/LNs are meant to have equal on-screen speed and maneuverability. And based on what we saw at Yavin, Xs and Ys really are substantially more durable. TIE pilots need to sustain their fire for a second or two to kill the trench runners, while the TIE/LNs exploded after a couple of shots. It's just that TIEs have very high rates of fire.

>>51255636
Yes, lots of fun builds. It'll go down since >1 Green, but it'll hit like a truck before biting it.

>>51255842
They didn't fire General Draven after he ordered Cassian to act like a genuine intelligence officer and assassinate Galen Erso.

There's plenty of room for underhanded tactics in the Rebellion. Saw just wasn't interesting in hiding it from the public.

>>51256199
And falling down the stairs is better than being hit by a bus made entirely of blenders, but I'd like to avoid either if I had the opportunity.

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Question:

be honest For an up-graded AoR party-ship, which would be better?

A Gozanti Cruiser?

Or a Consular L. Frigate (with the clone wars refit so its armed)?

I figure both need suitably small crews that a starting party could potentially operate one on their own while leaving room for them to work toward recruiting NPC's to fill-out the crew and make modifications to.

>>51256353
I would go with the Consular purely because everyone and their mother already has a Gozanti, thanks to Rebels.

>>51255517
Thank you. I considered making him a former Senator and military man that just so happened to be very vehemently anti-Palpatine.

Tatooine is there because it's an adventure for both casuals (that only saw SW and never played RPGs) and more invested players, as a way to introduce RPGs and some other familiar plot ideas like the rise of Jabba the Hutt in the background or something.

And yes, the mission is very much on the clock.

>>51256353

Allow me to suggest a third option: the Adz-class Destroyer from FaD Core. It's of Imperial make with a massive sensor & comms suite, which makes it great for potentially posing as Imperials. It also comes with stowage for 6 starfighters, in case you have any antsy Aces or Hotshots in the party.

>>51256253
http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/635163/first-try

how is this? gonna try out the ARC-170 for the first time real soon

>>51253821
>>51253848
>>51253919
>>51254846
>Oglaf dwarves were a peaceful and wise people until Rath Seinar popped through a dimensional wormhole and showed them the joys of drugs and technology.

>>51256565
Looks good. Not too sure about the targeting astromech, I'd go for BB8 due to all dem greens and potential for hijinks, but go for it and tell us how it worked out.

>>51252708
That hurts my heart to know such a beautiful ship was just abandoned like that.

What are some good builds running Sabacc as your only Striker?

>>51252490
Rouges and Villains is damn near mandatory, then flotillas for both factions then whatever strikes your fancy. Every ship has a role and is pretty good when used correctly, even Victories.

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>>51254582
>Iowa class
Best ship reporting

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>>51254582
>because the Zero was fucking devastating the Wildcat.
But that's wrong, The zero was devastating the warhawk, the wildcat was pretty evenly matched with the zero. The Hellcat pretty much was superior to the zero and combined with the inexperience of IJN pilots at the time, helped drive the japanese from the sky.

>>51254582
>the Zero was fucking devastating the Wildcat
>the F4F's ruggedness, coupled with tactics such as the Thach Weave, resulted in a claimed air combat kill-to-loss ratio of 5.9:1 in 1942 and 6.9:1 for the entire war.
Please watch less history channel! Even Saburo Sakai (for what it's worth) sang praises of the F4F.

>>51257419
>The zero was devastating the warhawk
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>http://www.cbi-theater.com/life041243/life041243.html

>>51255619
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!126:135,174,112:-1:-1:;106:176:17:-1:U.110;106:176:17:-1:U.110;106:176:17:-1:U.110&sn=New%20Squadron

Here you go, Mindlink Mangler Sycks are legit ans hit very hard. Zuckuss+TLT=dead aces.

Does anyone have a pdf of the CC Armada Campaign?

>>51254605
> the Wildcat was outperformed by the faster 331 mph (533 km/h), more maneuverable, and longer-ranged Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

The Wildcat relied heavily on numbers and tactics like the Thatch Weave to bait inexperienced pilots and they still couldnt compete with the zero.

Their KD is largely the result of the fact that the Zero was a smaller part of the naval fleet during its run.

So you are just gonna lie like that's gonna prove something?

>>51255636
Hell yeah it is. Norra can put out good firepower with the extra result or tank with it on defense. Shara is cute but too expensive for a pure support ability. Thane is cheap action economy. Braylen is the stress king.

Lots of options with upgrades, pilots and builds. It's going to get hit with 1 agility so Biggs is a big help.

>>51257774
>The Zero is the only Plane in the Japanese Navy

Dude, Really?

>>51257903
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan_during_World_War_II
>Nearly twice as many zeroes than any plane of any other type

>>51250696
Seriously, he was the greatest swordsman in all of Star Wars for fucks sake. He took out Ventriss and fucking DURGE at the same time. There was no way anyone without the Force could defeat him in a straight fight, and even then it only let Jedi Masters barely escape with their lives. Now I want a story where Grievous finds out what the Sepratists did to him (got rid of more of his body than they needed to, screwed with his mind via surgery and Force hypnosis, blowing up his ship in the first place) and murders Dooku and probably Ventriss before fucking off back to Kalee and ruling in peace, or whatever the norm is around there.

>>51252708
Wow, that player sounds like a massive faggot.

>>51251778
Looks fine to me. I'm not an expert though I mostly just okay empire

>>51257939
This is just tells you how many were eventually produced and when they started production.

It tells you nothing of the period between 40 and 42 when they were actually engaging eachother.

>The fighter pilots are very disappointed with the performance and length of sustained fire power of the F4F-4 airplanes. The Zero fighters could easily outmaneuver and out-climb the F4F-3, and the consensus of fighter pilot opinion is that the F4F-4 is even more sluggish and slow than the F4F-3. It is also felt that it was a mistake to put 6 guns on the F4F-4 and thus to reduce the rounds per gun. Many of our fighters ran out of ammunition even before the Jap dive bombers arrived over our forces; these were experienced pilots, not novices.

>>51257806
>http://www.cbi-theater.com/life041243/life041243.html
While devastated may be the wrong word to have used, the flying tigers are the exception. They stuck to superior tactics (high speed dives) and had great intel on the japanese, allowing them to repeatedly ambush the enemy.

In the Phillipines and early pacific theater the warhawk struggled against the zero.

>>51258035
That's criticizing one variant vs another variant. I don't know what you're getting at. Are you going to criticize the wildcatfish next, too?

The fact of the matter is that while the wildcat may have been outperformed by its adversaries in the pacific, it's combat record shows that it was absolutely not getting "fucking devastated." It was getting nearly six kills per loss even in 1942.

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>>51254337
>can be shot off in one hit, which kills everyone else
>equipped with deflector shields

>>51258162
Just hit it with an ion torpedo, desu.

What is it with /swg/ and devolving into shitslinging over the pacific theatre? If you want to go argue about it in a relevant thread then i suggest /fowg/. They're all about that shit.

>>51258176
Because anything in WWII can easily be translated to star wars and is thus campaign fuel.

>>51258162
That executor super star destroyer has deflector shields too yet it was killed by baby A-wing

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>>51258200

And it took the entire Rebel fleet (well, mostly Home One, as far as we can really tell) to bring those shields down so the Arvel Crynyd Maneuver would work.

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>>51258176
/swg/ is always arguing about starfighters, planes and real world analogues.

I'd much rather have it then the TFA/Prequel shitshows that go down

>>51258189
>>51258259
>Because anything in WWII can easily be translated to star wars and is thus campaign fuel.
True, but I don't see how arguing over which fighter was better has any bearing on that. Nor making bland comparisons between star destroyers and various battleships. None of them are directly analogous because the ships in star wars gain inspiration from numerous sources.

>>51258286
Sometimes someone says something wrong on the internet, anon, and it's your god-given duty to set them straight.

So, I'm modding my B-wing. Magnetizing it so that the hull swivels on it's base and it's cockpit rotates.
I'm using 1/16" neodymium magnets and they don't seem to be holding the weight of the ship at all.
Is there anything I can do besides stepping up to 1/8" magnets?

>>51258322
I suppose I can empathise with that. When people get key events in my country's history wrong I react much the same way.

>>51258357

Is there enough mass to double-up on magnets in the same hole?

>>51258419
I could stack magnets if that would help. If that's what you mean

Hey /swg/ could you help me out?

I need a ship for a bounty hunting crew for my FFG game. What is is a good ship, and what are some fun mods to put on it?

So, canonically, what happens when a Jedi shacks up with someone and decides to have a family? I get that it's forbidden but banishment from the Order really doesn't seem all that bad. You lose access to order rescources but I'm sure there's plenty of ways for a force weilder to make a living.

>>51258437
See if two magnets on both sides will do the trick.

>>51258444

What does the party intend to do with said ship? Besides fly around and capture bounties of course. Do they want something that can handle a few TIEs and / or another light frigate coming after them? Something that can punch above its weight class and potentially threaten a corvette? Dip into smuggling or large cargo handling? Bail out of a hairy situation before it turns into a dogfight?

For sheer versatility, it's hard to beat one of the HWK models (either the ultralight 290 or the heavy 1000) with a few after-market attachments of choice.

>>51258444
What ever it ends up being, make sure you stick on the biggest ion cannon you can fit.

>>51258437
Stacking won't help. You're essentially stacking weight onto a force that's already insufficient. Unless you can place the magnets parallel on the body then you may just have to get 1/8" magnets.

>>51258483
They becomes engulfed with passion, gain strength, power, victory, and get a divorce.

>>51258483
So... Considering that very few folks ever left the order, our only point of comparison is Dooku.

I think it is more a case of losing access to something that has basically been your entire life. It wouldn't surprise me if the Jedi Order were pretty strict about your interactions with Jedi in the aftermath too (perhaps prohibiting other members of the order from speaking to you and the like), as well as losing your livelihood.
If I wanted to run with it in a Star Wars game set near the fall of the Jedi, I'd check out different cases of Amish shunning to get some context.

>>51258593
I'm not sure that's quite the same. The Jedi don't have a Rumspringa, as far as I'm aware.

>>51258593
There's also the case of Ahsoka. After her departure from the Order, she was still able to keep in contact with the Jedi and was asked to help out during the siege of Mandalore. So I think they'll still talk to you, if you're useful.

The justification was they became popular when the empire was falling apart, they were cheap to maintain because of the abundance of TIE parts already available

>>51253269
Over the course of three films.

Is Imperial assault worth it for Skrimish? I mean i have a few people i can get together for the campaing but it would be very fucking rare.
Also when is the FFG app thing for it coming out? Only reason im considering it is purely that my friend told me that the app might be coming out sometime soon.

>>51258776
Over the course of one. But don't let petty things like facts stop you from being an idiot.

>>51258804
You mean https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/star-wars-dice-app/ ?

>>51258825
The nostalgia goggles are strong with this one

>>51258727
You're right, but I was more thinking of the theological decision having a real social impact on the individual's life.
Accounts of vitandi, disfellowship and herem might also be useful sources to draw from, I'd guess, they just didn't leap to me at first thought.

>>51258853
The b8 is weak with you.

alright, I've pretty much fucked my B-wing mini.
But battle-damage adds character r-right?

>>51258833
Nah like an app just for purely coop play. Automates the imperial stuff. Descent has something similar turns out.

>>51258908
TFA and R1 both have objectively better character arcs than ANH.

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>>51258951

>>51258951
>baiting this hard
at least put some effort into it

>>51253674
I'm pretty sure that fighter is from TOR, there is some good shit in there from time to time. Like everything about the Imperial Agent aside from Scorpio

>>51258487
>>51258498
It's for an NPC squad, that is chasing the party after they decided to skip town on their hutt benefactor. With the hutt's ship they were borrowing

>>51250984
you mean the manta

>>51250598
I'm going to play the Star Wars RPG at my FLGS. Aside from funky dice, what can I expect tonight?

>>51259196
I'd go with a modded HWK-1000. I don't recall off the top how many mod slots it gets, but definitely give it an ion cannon and maybe a quad laser. If you have any more room, idk.

>>51258804
Skirmish is pretty fucking cool. Easy to learn, plays quickly, fairly well balanced. Set up can be a pain, but the ffg mats help a ton. The hardest part is probably finding players, usually a small but dedicated group.

>>51259582
What RPGs are you used to? FFG Star Wars is really fun with a good GM in that it seems less numbersy. "DCs" are fun in that there's only really 5 "base difficulties," but the GM can toss around boost or setback dice depending on situational factors. Once everyone has a bit of a handle on what they can do in combat/how they can spend advantages, combat becomes super quick and action-y.

My advice is, unless you have a shit GM, ask yourself this question every few minutes: would this fit in to a Star Wars movie? If yes continue, if no, try to move things along. It's not a system that fusses over realism or minutiae.

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I made a TIE.
I don't know why.
Help.

/swg/ I need RP advice.

I GM a weekly session. When one of my players can't attend, I run an Imperial one-shot, which allows me to turn the tables on my players.

It seems like I'm going to be doing the same this week, but am blanking on ideas for short Imperial stories I could tell in the period immediately after the Emperor's death.

Recommendations?

>>51259855
D&D, Fate, GURPS and Shadowrun.

>>51259883
Its very different from those. Have you skimmed through the rulebook?

>>51259881
Have the players gathering supplies and groups of Imperials, at the end of the session have them head into unknown regions (FO territory)

>>51259878
But how fast can it go?