/fowg/ Flames of War General: That's all Volks

How much should cost a tactical nuke?

>>51240580
>nuclear weapons (tactical or otherwise) in a company-level game
>>>>> /FistfullofTOWs/

So, in the new V4 Africa sets, are the 17/25pdr and Flak 88 plastic?

>>51241131
Yup.

By the look of things, we're also getting plastic 25 pdrs (probably options for 17/25 and regular 25 in one kit) and plastic German 105mm guns as well.

>>51240311
>What's the big release this year for you guys?

New plastics for WWII. And PSC's plastic T-55 and Leopard 1.

>>51240950
Instructions unclear.
Brought nuke to FoW

>>51241294

and the tanks?

>>51242165
Nuclear and chemical weapons are available to use in FFoT, which is best at 6mm and can be played upwards of battalion sizes without major slowdown.

>>51241294
>plastic German 105mm guns as well.
do you mean the Flak 39, or the LeFH 18?

>>51242457
Going by the army lists from the Beasts of War bootcamp, the Leichte Feldhaubitze.

>>51242483
>Leichte Feldhaubitze

lewd...

>>51242165
Nukes are basically a "destroy everything on the table" weapon and really outside the scope of Team Yankee or Flames of War.

Although there was that one joke list from back before there were official Pacific lists.

>Observer Team - 5pts
>B-29 Superfortress with Atomic Bomb - 1495pts

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>>51240580

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>>51240311
>What's the big release this year for you guys?
All this fucking plastic. With PSC's T-55 being way up there. A BRDM kit that's finally not assy, and I think I heard something about plastic hummers and btrs in a future release?

>>51243576
>A BRDM kit that's finally not assy
We're getting plastic BRDMs?

>>51240311
>What's the big release this year for you guys?
Plastic Mid-war british (yes, I also hope for plastic M4A1s from Battlefront, as well as Stuarts).

For the guys who asked about plastic Leos:

>Anyone seen BRDM series vehicles from BF yet ? Keen to get my hands on them.

>M Arvin Sneck Please PSC go for it!

>Timothy Harris It depends on how well the T55 does for us. If so next up will be a Leopard 1 with variants. We're still cautious in regards to moderns.

>>51243750
Resin ones, but they're good. And only need a couple anyhoo.

>>51244072
How'd they compete with skytrex?

Does anyone feel like most of the example camo stuff in TY tends towards the yellowed/sepia tone? I noticed it with the T-72s first that looked almost brown, but the gelboliv and BAOR also seem to follow the pattern.

How the fuck do I get the smoke launchers on the BMP2 turret?

>>51243576
+75 to make any tank into an E8, and with those rules? Try again.

>>51243965
>We're still cautious in regards to moderns.

People are singing their praises over merely announcing that they are making plastic T-55s, and they're saying that they're "still cautious" about making moderns?

That's either caution to the point of stupidity, or they're trying to not reveal too much at once.

>>51245640
I bet it's the latter. They control the buzz train by slowly feeding us information so the forums, fb pages,and tg are always talking about PSC and laughing at Battlefront for being stupid with their plastic releases.

I am sure the Puma (although a really nice kit) and the British recon plastic kits won't begin to touch the number of sales the multioption T-55 and Leo 1 will have.

I still have my fingers crossed for plastic valentines from PSC, so I can laugh at battlefront more for not making one. Their Lee and Crusader look nice, but I need the valentine in my life.

>>51240311
>What's the big release this year for you guys?
Italians getting some love, and a focus on Mid-War. I'm stoked at the prospect of plastic tanks for my Italians.

>>51243533
That's fucking amazing.

>>51245775
>I am sure the Puma (although a really nice kit) and the British recon plastic kits won't begin to touch the number of sales the multioption T-55 and Leo 1 will have.

Yeas, especially the Puma since BF will make it pretty pointless in the Recce-less V4.

>>51244872
How do you mean? Brits look green and black to me.

>>51246272
The green they use seems much lighter than the green I can find in pictures, though.

And yeah, I'm not looking forward to the removal of recce myself, either. Hitting on 7s isn't really a decent replacement for being able to take infantry down to 5+ to hit, which was often one of the only ways you could reliably get pins without a massive concentration of force playing infantry.

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>>51247141
Whoops, didn't put in a picture.

That looks dark and olive-y to me, whereas in the books it looks almost muted pastel-y.

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HEY YOU GUYS!!

i am gonna drop a straw poll, just to gauge the /fowtg/ community. it's a multi-answer poll (though some answers are obviously contradictory)

just give me your bloody-honest feedback! thanks!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12127794

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So, for some upcoming NZ tournament, lists have to be 750 points Late War, no top armour two, must have three platoons, only missions are free for all and no retreat.
I think I came up with an idea

Berlin Kampfgruppe
Berlin Kampfgruppe HQ
Heer: 60 points

Volkssturm Platoon with MG08/15: 100 points
Hitlerjugend Platoon: 85 points
Hitlerjugend Platoon

Volkssturm MG Platoon: 65 points
Volkssturm Mortar Platoon: 70 points
Volkssturm Infantry Gun Platoon: 50 points

Bedbug Platoon: 65 points
3x Kleinpanzer Wanze

Luftwaffe Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon
2x 8.8cm FlaK36s

Luftwaffe Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon
2x 8.8cm FlaK36s

750 points
Nine Platoons.

Have I crossed some kind of line here? Have I gone completely insane?

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>>51245582
US bias discount, of course, anon.

>>51247298
Almost everyone who plays FoW at my FLGS has TANKS, but I have yet to play a game, nor have I ever seen anyone playing. I am pretty much shelving it until I get more terrain.

I may break it out as a board game, to share the hobby with people who aren't involved with it. It honestly seems a little simple. I am sure the experience gets better when you have a shit load of terrain for your board, but unlike X-Wing, Wings/Sails of Glory the movement isn't really that interesting, you just kind of do it.

>>51247363
You really have a hard-on for sending old men and children to their death, Virus. You will certainly have the biggest number advantage, but what happens if you need to assault an objective in free for all?

>>51247498
Curl up in a ball and cry. Or otherwise aim to kill the bastards by throwing both mobs of Hitlerjugend at them, use the mortars, 88s, Infantry guns, Machine Guns, and bedbugs to just saturate the them in fire. Eventually I'll roll sixes somewhere.

>>51247363
>not going all out on 8.8cm guns...

that new box set they threatened me with should be really good for Berlin.....

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Plastic 8,8's is gonna be fab.

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>>51248113
>Plastic 8,8

>>51247298
I've been tempted to play TANKS, but it would mean buying a bunch of tanks for a new army since Italians will probably never make an appearance.

Debated jumping in with Brits, or maybe Soviets so I could also use those tanks for my Finns in FoW.

>>51247429

I just bought a few Tanks to use for that game. It's hard to ignore the affordable price point. And I think it would get really fun with a bunch of tanks and terrain as well.

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How do we fix Volksarmee?

besides sending Phill to a gulag of course

>>51249538
Increase East German To-Hit score to 4+ adjust prices accordingly, Bastion Missiles for T-55s, option for 23mm gun for their Hinds, and give Hammerhead to the BRDM-2 Missile carriers

>>51247570
I can finally make my Kriegsmarine last ditch defense force for LW.

>>51249538
Maybe we actually play it before declaring it hopelessly broken?

I love this thread to death, but the gloom and doom surrounding our discussion of Volksarmee and 4th Edition makes me wonder if you guys actually enjoy bitching about the game more than you enjoy playing it.

Personally I want to give Volksarmee a try. Maybe not with expensive as fuck resin T-55s, but certainly with PSC's plastics.

And V4 seems to be getting a lot of Team Yankee style changes. I'm honestly looking forward to trying it out. Team Yankee is a smoother, faster playing game. I'd love to see Flame of War play that fast and that smoothly.

>>51250308
yeah, I'm kinda disappointed in some design decisions, but i'm still looking forward to giving the T-72 panzerbattalion a try.

>>51243533
It's a shame they put in "unsanctioned" Japanese lists.

To think, one small oversight and we could've had TFG's bringing that to tournaments in the vain hope of just auto winning against a Japanese list in their first game.

>>51250308
Even though I am still building East Germans, I am disappointed that the East German play style is even spammier than the Soviets. Seems like Battlefront went out of their way to make everything as cheap/bad as possible. The BRDM gets no scout rule. The Spandrel gets no scout or hammerhead/swingfire rule despite it's description saying it only has to expose the top launcher. The T-55 is worse than it needs to be with slow firing and 4+ cross. Any suggestion to the contrary is met with Phil pulling some half-baked explanation out of his ass.

These are all my opinions, Anon. Personally I think the table is already crowded enough as it is. With the T-55AM and T-72M spam, I'll permanently switch to a larger table than 4'x6'.

I don't enjoy complaining, but the attitude Phil has is frustrating, as is hearing people talking about spamming T-55s. I think there is still some good. The Mechanized and T-72M companies should be fun to play.

>>51249538
I was hoping East Germans would have some units hit on a 4+ with higher point costs to reflect that, but that might be asking too much from battlefront. In that case I would settle for a 2-3 point T-55 that doesn't have slow firing and can cross at 3+ instead of the 1-2 point chaff tank. BRDM's should get scout. Spandrels should have scout or hammerhead. That's pretty much it.

Overall the East Germans should be a little more flexible despite their worse equipment. Improving vehicle stats even if it adds cost would help achieve that. Blobs of 10 slow firing, overloaded T-55AMs aren't particularly going to benefit from a 4+ skill.

TY is a fun fast playing game, but my games are lasting longer than v3 due to the number of things to kill and the morale rules. It's still fun to play, but I think concerns for how things translate to v4 are valid.

>>51250733
If they keep the morale rules, Italians might end up being a bit more resilient and Soviets will definitely be more resilient.

>>51246272
tfw i ordered plastic pumas before V4 spoilers came out

fuck man, now im gonna have a platoon of AT magnets that don't do the job i needed them too.

on the bright(?) side BF still have not processed the orders so... maybe i can cancel?

>>51250796
For sure. They just seem goofy sometimes. Let's say you have a small unit of 2 tiger or King Tiger tanks. One is hit by a fluke artillery shot and bails out. Now you have to test platoon morale, even though neither tank is destroyed. On the other hand a 28 stand strelkovy blob is going to fight until 3 stands remain without any penalties? Seems silly.

I may be getting ahead of myself though. Are we sure what morale is going to look like in v4?

>>51250308
I'm excited for v4, but Volks does just look like a shitty horde army of cannon fodder. I get why people are upset about that.

There's some stuff in v4 I'm still unsure about, but I'm always down for a nice streamlining and the core rules of TY seem quite good.

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>>51247298
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12127794

I've played it once, with the local "historical" group nearby, which is essentially a sunday school group that uses wargames as a way to get kids to learn how to read and do math.

I found the game overly simplistic and kind of boring. X-Wing, the system it's based off, is excellent because movement is an art in and of itself. Doing the right move at the right time and knowing how to predict your opponent is one of the best parts of the game. In tanks however, movement feels a lot less important, and I found that it honestly just felt more like lining up and shooting, at best trying to make the most of upgrades and building a synergistic list. It wasn't bad, but as a guy who plays 8 different systems, I found it boring and lacking anything that really stood out. Movement pretty much boiled down to "do I move and try to get defense" or "Do I sit still and try to shoot better".

Personally I'll stick to FoW for tank battles, although we'll see if V4 changes that.

Also, what the hell is this I'm hearing about recce not mattering anymore in V4? What the fuck is the point of recon now if it can't remove gone to ground? Looking cool? Goddammit if they make my Luchs (based WWII ones) pointless I'm gonna be pissed.

So MW Hungarians. I want to do them so I can have two armies for each era(Finns and Italians in Early, Italians in Mid, Hungarians and Finns in Late), but I'm having a hard time of MW Hungarians. They have a whole two vehicles available to them that are pure Hungarian, and I'm a stickler for using your country's stuff.

However most of the German made stuff available to them isn't allies, but rather borrowed? Is it like Finns who just use stolen Soviet tanks?

Help me justify it beyond "they're better than the Toldi" because that shit doesn't matter to me.

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>>51249867
Pretty much this. Buff the T-55s slightly, but keep the "export model" flavor mostly the same. Increase the morale/training/chance to hit stats but increase the point cost to compensate. This way, you're fielding quite a similar force to the soviets (in both size and composition) but retaining a distinct flavor.

Going the full spam route was just lazy.

>>51250308
As usual it's not "they're broken" so much as "they're a horde of chumps".

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>>51252807
Hungarians straight up bought tanks from the Germans because their industry just couldn't keep up if I remember right. You also had the issue that even their most current designs were pretty outdated. Hell, even the dreaded assault pancake had rivets for fucks sake. RIVETS. IN 1944. So, they decided to call up their allies who had all sorts of successful tank designs and just bought those.

That said, the Germans charged the Hungarians out the ass for tanks apparently, given that the Hungarians apparently found it cheaper to just design their own version instead of buying Panthers for example.

This is why you see a lot of German made vehicles with Hungarian markings, especially Panzer IV's, StuG's, Hetzers, and various others. However, in other cases, the vehicles may still have German markings, especially Panthers and Tigers. These were supposedly bought new, but instead of shipping brand new tanks to the Hungarians, German units just sent old busted up tanks instead. This is why if you look up "Hungarian Tiger" you just see one with German markings.

Finally, If you bring a Marder variant and feel like going really obscure with your relevance, you could try converting up a couple of these. This is essentially the Marder idea the Germans had but using a Toldi chassis instead of a Panzer II or 38t. I'm pretty sure there's a Hungarian list or two with access to Marders in MW, but I might be wrong.

You can read a bit about it here. http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/06/18/hungarian-marder-the-toldi-pancelvadasz-project/


The relationship the Hungarians had with the Germans is a pretty interesting one, and their use of the Germans equipment (and in some cases forced adoption of it, such as their rifles slowly being converted into Mausers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVojDUEmfjs&t=615s ) is pretty fascinating.

>>51253223
and of course the obligatory "I'm not a historian, check your research before you consider me word of law". I'm just a guy going off memory and internet rumors. It's hard to find much info on the Hungarian army in English unfortunately.

>>51247141
>>51247167
Yes, it's because they've gone for more of a "scale effect", i.e. lighter colours, which generally looks better in 15mm, though you can go too far. However, the lack of any darker green shading on their Chieftains and the like means it is a bit too light, especially when directly contrasted with the black/dark grey camo.

>>51250845
If they have not sent you can probably cancel. Out of all the Recce units, Pumas will still be OK compared to most as they have a decent gun, at least on the 234/2 (5cm) and 234/4 (PaK40). So, they will still be useful as light harassment units, much better than the 2cm-armed versions and other armoured cars, etc., but their platoons will break really easily.

If the Eastern Front HG Panzerspah keep their morale re-roll, they'll be the way to go with mixed 234/1 (2cm) and 234/4 (PaK40): two cheap harassment platoons, then build in a ton of support.

Stupid TY morale rules.

>>51252956
It's not so much laziness, as just Phil's biased view of Asiatic no-skill hordes.

>>51254234
The colours just look wrong to me, so I've gone darker than they're typically painted.

>>51250889
>until 3 stands remain without any penalties? Seems silly.
Shh, you can't say Soviets have something nice in this thread.

>>51254496

That's not really accurate. They just did them very similar to Russians, with the gear worse. That lends itself easily to a horde tactic because T-55s in 1985. Unless you really wanted to have the Best Germans as being more skilled than the Soviets, which doesn't really hold up. It's the limits of the game system is all.

>>51255109
The Best Germans should be better than a Soviet Red Army Unit. On par with a Guards or Afgansty Unit. However Battlefront seems to be making it perfectly clear that Soviets cannot into 4+ To-Hit because "Muh Asiatic Hordes"

>>51251491
>What the fuck is the point of recon now if it can't remove gone to ground

All recon will get spearhead, widening your deployment zone. Hopefully recon will retain better ambush prevention... but it makes no difference in TY.

I run a West German list with 8 Luchs (the based Cold War version). It really helps me push my deployment up when I want to. The Luchs are actually really good, as they are cheap and can kill anything that isn't a tank. It even has a dinky AA mg you can shoot at helis in hopes you get lucky. They pretty much guarantee I would never win a tournament though, since Battlefront think the math is too hard to count a 1 point unit of Luchs differently than a 33 point unit of Leo 2's.

>>51251491
desu, in the latest WWPD podcast they only covered shooting and assault, no special or national rules, so I would wait, maybe recce still does it... who knows?

>>51249538
Less focus on horde, more a mid way between Soviets and Americans with options for reserve companies of modernised T-55s.

>>51255149
Welcome to Wehraboo/Ameraboo understanding of Soviet tactics.

>>51255072
Soviets have lots of nice things. Having a huge blob of conscripts that fight until nearly the last man is stupid.

>>51255109
And repeatedly we see things like the BRDM-2 and Spandrel not get rules to help them do their job without getting plastered by fire, because according to Phil soviet recon just drove forward until they were shot at then either retreated or attacked. Recon by force is historically accurate for these units, but in game terms it just leads to the Soviet recon getting pasted.

Same thing with the T-55 getting slow firing and a horrible cross rating. Even if the RoF of a T-55AM was less than a T-72, slow firing puts its rate of fire equal to an unstabilized self propelled artillery gun. Even if the added armor makes the tank heavier, 4+ cross (wheeled armored car cross) is worse than the stillbrew chieftains' (a tank noted for its unreliable engine) 3+ cross.

It's not just the 3+ to hit, the WARPAC gear is made worse for spam, and Soviets don't get certain special rules that similar NATO vehicles get when they would make sense.

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so... phil is tragically maul and raped to death by the rare silverfern gorilla on his way to the office and you are put in charge of creating the next warpac nation.

what do you do?

how do you write them into the story?

what units do you give them and how are they costed?

what special rules do you give them?

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>>51256012
I say fuck it and add Yugos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

>>51256061
>bunker man

oh god im dying here.

>>51256012
Realistically speaking, who else on that side of the Iron Curtain would have been drawn into the fight, and how quickly?

Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and who else?

We already have the Soviet Union and East Germany.

>>51256384
East Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia were the big three.

Romania was basically in a state of diplomatic mutiny, the Hungarians were discouraged from rebuilding their army after their revolution, and while Bulgaria was actually one of the USSR's reliable allies they were too small to contribute in a meaningful way.

>>51256534
From what I've heard from people who grew up in Romania during the mid-80's, it supposedly had some of the best relations with the West out of all the formerly communist countries in Eastern Europe.

>>51253223
Well in LW you get stuff like Assault Pancakes, Nimrods and the Turan which are seemingly more distinctly Hunfarian.

It's just the Panzer IV and 38(t) availave in MW I'm having a hard time with. I don't being any German tanks in my Italian lists because I want my Italians to feel distinctly Italian, but then all the German tanks available to them are allies.

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Damn it, Bovington!

Do you want Planet of the Apes? Because that's how you get Planet of the Apes!

>>51258652
Well that's the thing, those Panzer IV's and 38t's still have Hungarian crews and will have Hungarian paintschemes/markings.

Don't know if that changes anything for you, but I was cool with it.

>>51259044
I can work with that.

I was just worried the game was pulling a "just use German tanks, German tanks are teh bestest evah!"

>>51259008
Did the original Planet of the Apes ever explain the origin story?

I only know the backstory from the bad early 2000s reboot, and the new "Rise of / Dawn of" series.

>>51259843
Nah, nothing like that, just good old fashioned international arms dealing.

>>51248113
>Plastic 88's
battlefront and PSC ones on the way
yesss!

Is there a way to field a platoon of S35s outside of early war? The only places I see them they have to be mixed with other tanks.

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Painted up some T-55s using anons technique from last thread. They look good and it was pretty fast!

>I have finally perfected my speedy T-72-painting method as black undercoat, cam olive green basecoat, black wash, russian uniform drybrush, canvas cover and gunmetal gun.

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>>51261916
>gunmetal gun.

>>51261874
You're Zogged Mate. They're pretty much just command tanks for the Looted Panzer Platoon in Atlantik Wall.

>>51261974
Vallejo's gunmetal silver-black thing.

And yeah, that'd be my method! In the end I ended up painting the tracks with some grey-brown mixes and then drybrushing them steel since I'd gotten so much russian uniform on them all from drybrushing anyway, but if you can just leave them black it'd probably be even quicker. My current philosophy on them is that there's 15 of them so I want them done more than anything, but maybe when I come b ack to them.

>>51262191
The Russian Uniform is pretty close to a dust/mud color in my eyes so I just left them. I drybrushed the Vallejo Gunmetal over the tracks and called it good. Thanks for the method, it's nice and speedy.

>>51256012
Czechoslovakia cutting through Austria and making a move for the Low Countries.

Personally I feel Team Yankee is far too positive towards NATO in terms of successes, and kind of undermines the ability of the Warpac as an organisation. They had a lot of their own unique versions of Soviet equipment but suffered from the issue of half of their forces being conscripts.

When you guys sell/trade stuff, do you hit up this thread and give other anons first crack? I'm thinking about downsizing my (WW2) Americans to their humble Free French origins before pursuing additional armies, which means pawning lots of American armour.

>>51262422
The Czechs were aiming for Lyon.

>>51261874

There was some sort of LW Finland & Germans stationed in Finland list, 20 Armee if I'm not mistaken which gets all kinds of weird stuff such as Panzer Is, Anti -tank rifles and S35s in Late War

>>51263277

Also recon dogsleds i believe?

>>51263277
On the official briefing webpage in OP.

>>51262546
e-bay is probably your biggest market, though it costs more. You can always try elsewhere though.

>>51262546
I've sold through other forums like Dakka, but have also used eBay as well as even Facebook swap shops. Never tried flipping stuff on here though.

Honestly ebay is the only "safe" way to ensure you don't screwed while buying, but with selling it's a bit easier to try other methods since obviously the other guy has to poney up the money before you ship.

>>51263277
The S35 in that list are still 1/platoon.

>>51247363

How are the Kleinpanzers?

They look hilarious but I'm not quite certain how useful they'd be

>>51265496
65pts for 9x AT11 attacks is worth it. You're risking only getting to shoot every other round, but the kill you get from the first salvo ought to pay it off.

>>51248907

Dude, i have a small team of Murkans, Slavs, and Britbongs. And, if you wanted to play your own team, it's a max of 3-5 boosters, maybe a starter if you are very serious. that's 30-75 dollars. and i am generous.

games are 100 pts, and a Tiger / IS-85 is 33 pts. 1/3rd a list.

2 IS-2's / JagdPanthers w a lot of cards is a list.

>>51251491
Hungariboo, i agree with a lot of your points, but i am trying to get an unbiased judge of the game as the community responds, so i can't just flat out blare my agreement however, both me and a bud agree movement is overly simple, and that there should be more granularity in how fights work. also, just in case you really, really want to hear a gripe of mine, defense is hamstrung at max 6 dice, where a Super Pershing with Jailbird, Hyper-velocity, and Bloodthirsty Gunner at close range on a side shot gets 10 fucking dice, no drawbacks. the fuck, people?

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>>51256012

I don't know how to make the other WARPAC interesting without being inconsistent with Volksarmee. The Poles and Czech are going to somehow have to be even spammier than the East Germans.

I think I would go rogue and develop North Korea. The Type 62 would be their frontline MBT with the T-55 as a supporting option. They will also get the M-1985 (PT-85) amphibious tank with an option to add Sagger missiles to some of the tanks.

For motorized units there would be BTR-60 or BMP-1 options. RPG-7s, Saggers, and Gremlins just like other Warpac forces.

The 122mm SP arty would be top armor 0. I would probably give them some kind of dismounted heavy mortar team. Maybe 120 mm mortars with a transport. They would also have the ZSU-57-2 which will have a gimped range (no radar). They would also have Hughes 500 helicopters with Sagger missiles and hunter killer. Some West German company sold North Korea 87 of the little birds. They would also have Su-7s for ground attack (with dumb bombs that use the small template and require you to be close like cluster munitions).

As far as points I have no clue where to start. The story would be easy. With the US occupied with the Soviets in Europe, the North Koreans see this as their best shot at taking over the south. The Soviets give what support they can in the form of old vehicles and fuel in the hopes of diverting some american resources from Germany.

>>51267930
North Korea would be basically what Battlefront thinks of the Soviets, but worse. They'd be the absolute spam faction, 2+ Morale and courage because they're so indoctrinated. Plus Tunnels. You'd have to include that as rules somehow.

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>>51267930
>Type 62

T-62 (soviet export or Ch’onma-ho) not to be confused with the China-shit tank

>>51267930

you! ....i would play South Korea 1985 just to job against you.

>>51267487
Honestly I forgot I had my name on. Apparently the new laptop saves it per thread so it's just defaulted to my name with every post.

>>51267487
Well if we can ever get together you can give me a demo.

Also; does anyone make plastic T26s other than PSC? I can't find them anywhere other than their store.

Also plastic Panzer IV F?

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Gonna be fighting Russian heroes tomorrow, and I can't decide between lists. Should I take this list...

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>>51269981
...or this one? Basically trying to decide between spamming Trained arty +air support to kill enemy infantry/heavy tanks or trying to assault them with (effectively) FV infantry of my own while a smaller number of vet guns pin/smoke things.

>>51269510
Plastic T26s are made by Zvezda, they are somewhat lacking details, but are fine for a massive company, easy to assemble and customize tank commander

just my 2 rubles

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>>51256012
Also don't forget China, a possible wild card in the whole conflict. Could be played either as a Soviet or American ally.

>>51272338
Yes! What tanks would China have been using in ~85? Type 80s with the L7 copy or primarily Type 59/69 spam?

Does anyone know of something like a WW2 reskin of x-wing?

>>51272806
Wings of Glory WW2

Uses a nifty card system to manuever. Maneuvers are simultaneous. You plan out 2 maneuvers at the start, then plan out one move in advance for the rest of the game. Being on an enemies tail lets you preview your enemies manuever and swap the order of your planned maneuvers if you want. There are altitude rules as well, which I assume are much more important for WW2 than the WW1 version. I really like the WW1 version of WoG and play a lot of Sails of Glory, just haven't played the WW2 version.

>>51272864

Scale agnostic? (I have a fuckload of 1:144 sitting around).

>>51273492
Ah the WW1 version is 1/144, but the WW2 Version is 1/200. Each plane pack comes with a particular maneuver deck and a plastic base that designates the firing arcs for each plane. Seems like you may be looking for something else then. I am sure someone has taken the same tools from X-Wing and made a fan set of rules for WW2.

On a side note, it seems like V4 will let you have 2 planes on the board for air support, so you can get more use out of the miniatures that way.

>>51269981
>>51270005
Nobody?

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>>51274504
Go with the one with infantry, 4 extra 25pdrs won't provide much more than the base 4. Also, your infantry is far from fearless. At best (when in close combat), it's confident. Still, it provides something against dug in panzerfaust platoons.

>>51270005

Not really familiar with brits. What does the warrior do for the highlanders? I see what you are saying about effectively fearless, since they have british bulldog.

>>51274685
>>51274705
Hollis gives the platoon he's with 3+ morale, so fearless as long as he's alive. He also hits on a 2+ in assault.

>>51274789
Right, I stand corrected. Didn't see him in there (have I mentioned how the fowlists layout is fucking awful?). Still, all the more reason to go with that list.

>>51270005
Take this one. Enjoy obliterating him from range. He just does not have the numbers to soak the attrition from the mighty british artillery.

>>51269981
Hollis was with the 50th, not the 51st. If you want to do it a bit more accurately, drop the transport and one of the appliqué armor upgrades and take your support from the 50th.

>>51269981
Any idea on what he's bringing? Because there's a huge gap between Hero Motorstrelk/Strelk, and Hero Tank/ Heavy-Tank.

>>51274813
>>51274828
>>51275367
Sadly the poor bastard bought Stalin's Bears, though at least he has an infantry box as well. Trying to make a list that will give a fair or at least interesting fight, if that changes anyone's advice.

>>51275424
Ah it's that guy. Both of your lists are auto wins against him. Not sure what you'd have to bring for it to be a fair fight.

>>51275424
And id this sounds familiar, yes, it's the guy that's been in a few of the battle reports I've posted here.

>>51275502
Well my only other built models are Cromwells (even worse for him) and the Open Fire shermans. I'd probably have to buy and build an armoured car list to have evenish fights (an even then he'd never hit anything)

>>51275640
Maybe a para list? It would at least let him get some practice assaulting.

>>51271854
I think I would only need maybe 10 max for my Finns. Can't remember.

>>51276007
Actually working on one of those, but infantry I like to paint up before I put them on bases. This has massively delayed their debut.

>>51275424
>Stalin's Bears

I would say something about that being a special kind of stupid, but that completely misses the fact that Battefront put out an army set that horrendous to begin with...

>>51276373
It's a newb trap so Battlefront can sell their awful IS-2s to people who are too new to know any better. Would have been more prudent to better evaluate what kits actually need a plastic release. >Looking at you Comet, Pershing, and IS-2.

>>51276760
On one hand, I really like the Comet and that it's available in plastic. On the other, Churchills would have been a much better choice.

>>51276760
Hopefully the midwar relaunch will start the process of adding plastic kits for things that have been in resin for far too long.

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[maniacal laughter]

>>51261916
Looking noice, you gonna get some highlights and weathering in?

>>51278279
Some light chipping. Maybe some mud/dust along the sides. Not sure about highlights to be honest. Do you have any suggestions? I just don't want to overdo it and make the tank look cartoony.

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>>51279329
I highlight much more lightly than I use to, but occasionally dab along some edges and corners with a sponge (and then again with dark brown) for heavily chipped edges and stuff.
I quite like the exaggerated modulation, Ruben Torregrosa-look rather than the very realistic styles, it depends what kind of look you're after.

Pic related are some poor souls who have been condemned to the eternal WIP-pile, now that I've mostly moved to 6mm, but I used this technique on these.

>>51280056
that looks really good. perfect amount of chipping. I will probably play around with a few things on these initial tonks before settling on something.

I-is that a T-62? I think I am going to have to buy some command decision ones to have on standby for whenever Best Korea or the Yom Kippur war come to Team Yankee.

Also, does anyone have any tips for painting the IR light while still maintaining the metal rim around the outside? There is no way I can freehand a circle well enough to not look bad.

>>51280477
Yeah the T-62 is Skytrex (the shilka too), I just bought some for laff and they make really nice stuff.
>Also, does anyone have any tips for painting the IR light while still maintaining the metal rim around the outside?
I think its just a matter of steady hands, Ive never found a comfy way to paint them.

>>51271854
>>51276156
12 if you run some 3rd platoon of real tanks.

17 if you go full retard

>>51276760
Fugg you man. I love those things in plastic, but then I don't play FoW anymore, hahaha.

>recon unit doesn't get recon rules
When did Phil go so wrong?

>>51284574
Soviet recon just drives down roads until someone shoots them. Then they report on the radio that they are being shot and command knows where the enemy is.

>>51282286
It is a really nice model like all of battlefront's plastic. They may not have every tank in plastic, but what they do have is really good.

>>51268436
You in the states? Point me a South Korean list once Stripes is released and I will point the North Koreans. If you are in the US I promise you a game in the next 5 years, haha.

>The East German Volksarmee, or Peoples’ Army, has the reputation of being the most well-trained of all the Warsaw Pact armies. It has a high proportion of professional soldiers and is well-equipped. 9. Panzerdivision, or 9th Tank Division, in particular, is equipped with T-72M tanks and BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles.

Very amusing Battlefront, very droll.

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>>51286038
>>The East German Volksarmee, or Peoples’ Army, has the reputation of being the most well-trained of all the Warsaw Pact armies. It has a high proportion of professional soldiers and is well-equipped. 9. Panzerdivision, or 9th Tank Division, in particular, is equipped with T-72M tanks and BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles.

Holy fuck this is some next level trolling Battlefront

>>51282160
Ah.

So would I need 1/144 or 1/100 from Zevzeda?

>>51286038
Holy shit, is that actual stuff from BF?

>>51286447
http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5349

>>51286529
Jesus. I love they try and justify it by saying "but you can get 10 T55AMs for the cost of 2 Abrams!"

Man they dropped the ball hard on this, huh?

>>51286617
Something tells me the real world numbers for kills vs losses would probably be at least that high.

But from a gameplay perspective and a game balance perspective, it seems a bit lopsided.

Especially since it requires spamming fairly expensive resin models.

And what really takes the cake is that the fact that it is resin instead of cheaper plastics, probably has something to do with launching 4th Edition with all of the new MidWar plastcs in the next month or two.

It probably made sense to someone at BF to do Volksarmee in resin because of the MW plastics, but at the moment it still seems slightly boneheaded.

>T-55AM2 box is 72.50 FreedomistanTrumpbucks
>Convert to Kiwiland Fundollars
>101.42 dollars.

Fuckadoo. To build One and a half squadrons you could buy buy the Soviet Starter Box, get eight T-72s, probably a rule book, a template, and two hinds.

>>51284722

>>51268436
>You in the states? Point me a South Korean list once Stripes is released and I will point the North Koreans. If you are in the US I promise you a game in the next 5 years, haha.

i would love to say deal.

we'll see.

>>51287271
>minimal...squadrons....

145.00 in dollariedoos for the full 10

what's that in NZ? enough for afghantsy?

>>51287518
Well all of our prices are now in USD because Battlefront decided to do it that way.

But to build a core Afgansty force:
Eight Hinds (You only really need two per choice, but four is a better number): $40 per two. $160 bucks
Two Motor Rifle Company boxes: $47 per one, makes second strength formation, $94.
Total Cost: $254.00 US
Build HQ team from spare figures.
Total Points Cost: 48.

Versus two companies of T-55AMs.
Four boxes of T-55AMs: $290.00
Still Missing HQ tank.
Total Points Cost: 32.

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So not FoW related, but figured you guys would be a good group to ask: anyone here excited for Dunkirk? Looks pretty good, and it's Christopher Nolan so that gives me hope.

Also it's a WW2 movie that won't feel so...pic related.

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>>51286038

The cost of those fucking tanks is GW tier. Volksarmee has been such a half assed release it's unreal - there's been almost no effort put into it what so ever.

>>51287952

Sort of... the one I'm really waiting for is the Pegasus Bridge movie.

>>51286529
So why would you spam T-55s over BMP1/2s with infantry? Like, the T-55 has a mildly higher chance of not exploding but you'll end up with far more vehicles and infantry with the BMP choice - as well as rockets capable of dealing with Abrams, Leopards and Chieftans. Why would you ever go with the much more expensive option of T-55s, which have a massive collection of accompanying special rules designed to make them even worse?

>>51288387
Yeah, when I build my NVA army, I'm gonna try and squeeze as much BMP2s in as I can - just for the konkurs. I think the whole "T-55 spam and flank" fear mongering is not gonna work when people actually start playing.

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This looks interesting, from today's FOW site update.

>>51286038
Too bad that is not like that at all in the game

>>51289128
That does look good actually. I've been dubious about neoprene mats but I might get one purely for durability reasons, and to tide me over until I can build a modular table.

>>51286617
Why exactly would anyone want to play the retarded, cowardly, horde faction.
I mean i could understand if they were tyranids but these are humans.

>>51289520
For me, it's about storage and transportation: mats are so much easier, and I just don't have the space for a modular table as nice as it may be.

>>51286038

>All of the training and professionlism means they'all be able to follow orders a whopping HALF of the time. As professional as the Volksarmee were, they were trained in the soviet doctrine of running forward ignoring cover while you spray fire from the hip like a Rambo baddie.

Added the part they left off.

>>51288177
It will be very amusing is if the T-55AM2 comes out with as many defects as the Leo 1.

>>51288387
>Why would you ever go with the much more expensive option of T-55s, which have a massive collection of accompanying special rules designed to make them even worse?

Yeah, I am only building a the T-55s I have for fun. They are pretty much useless. Artillery, terrain, and salvo air power like the Tornado will disrupt if not outright destroy the 10 tank blobs, at which point the formation loses all point efficiency. A moving T-55 out of command has to look for an 8+ (A 6 then another 6) to hit concealed gone to ground NATO. I think I will try to just hide the T-55's on a reverse slope to guard a flank and hope the enemy doesn't try to use air power to spot of artillery.

>>51288625
The Spandrel can supplement the BMP-2 with the hope that the enemy decides it is too cheap to worth wasting shots at. If not that if will just be an alpha strike weapon. You will spend more time bogging than shooting in terrain unless you deploy there.

>>51289633
I can see the kit being a total mess.

I imagine Battlefront will deliver plastic T55s when we enter 2018 to go alongside the rest of the Asiatic Hordes. If the 'elite' Volksarmee can have 60 T55s at 100 points we'll probably see 120 for the Polish and Czechs.

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Considering concepts for a 1515 point tournament that I may or may not go to, based upon what worked and didn't work at 1625 points.

Obviously trying to bring five or six King Tigers is a touch unworkable at 1515, but a solid core of four. As much as I like my Volkssturm they really are shit when you need to go on the attack. Which I found myself needing to do in terms of a local counter attack frequently. So, one Volkssturm swapped out for a Panzercrew platoon. So, SS-Panzer IIIs, and infantry that aren't dog shit. Plus the Panzer IIIs can shoot things that are too puny for the KTs.

Things I'm on the fence about:

AA: Getting Rudel-ed kinda ended my last tournament hot streak. Bastard's nasty. But those light guns usually stay in the back eating shit against most kinds of armies. Kind of want to replace them with Eighty Eights. Which I can do if I replace the Artillery with Rockets. Are eighty eights actually worth taking as AA?

Rockets: They're good for smoking, and that's just about it, plus Nebelwerfers are vulnerable to sneak machine gun fire and cannons until they dig in. Plus the 105s can come as veteran unlike literally everything else in the force, giving me something that might actually stand a chance of hitting the fucking ground when it shoots.

>>51289949

88s are only RoF 1 against aircraft. I guess it depends how much you expect to see air. Will you really gain much by bringing on 88s? If it came to it you could shoot at things with your 105s using the direct fire. The vierlings are arguably more effective at defending your artillery from infantry and scout cars.

>>51289775
They've said when they have a resin kit in production they can't justify having a plastic one. So, look forward to the resin moulds wearing out if you expect BF to make one.

Hopefully PSC kicking their arse over it will help.

I was reading up earlier that people really don't like it when you do armies that aren't right for their list. How true is that? I've been working on a B@R list I was going to use as the US in Korea, instead of in WW2, but now I'm worried people aren't going to play with me.

>>51290389
As long as it's a legal list, I don't see a problem.

>>51290389
What people really don't like isn't stuff like facing soviets with their americans (a matchup that never happened) or stuff like that, but rather people who take a massive crap at all pretenses of history, such as "I don't like all this brown, I'm going to paint my tanks bright blue", or "lol nazi space magic and zombies" (and there's a special place in hell for the illiterate baboon of BoW, who managed to combine these two in the worst way possible)

A B@R list that's really from korea? Wouldn't really differ that much from any LLW WW2 list, so go for it. Might wish to stay away from the bright tiger camo (unless that's why you want to do it), but do it well and nobody... well, most people at least, won't mind.

>>51290516
Yeah, tiger camo, marine infantry, etc. That kind of stuff.

>>51290516
2bh Nazi space magic, occult/weird war is more tired a genre than steampunk at this point.
I love prototypes like the E-series and paper-panzers and stuff, but as soon as a flying saucer or an SS nachtwulfen [translators note: nachtwulfen means night wolf] or a zombie wearing suit of Nazi power armour appears I completely lose interest.

>>51287628
>>51287518


i was right? holy shit!

>>51290776
>more tired a genre than steampunk at this point.

Have you been to many sci-if conventions lately?

The gears and goggles crowd is quite literally everywhere. Hell, they even are in charge of the "Alternate History" programming at some of the larger US conventions, such as DragonCon.

>>51287628
>Afghansty cheaper than Volksarmee

Fuck me sideways. That's practically Games Workshop-ian in how ridiculous the prices are.

>>51289128
Nice! I might have to get myself one of those.

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You know what's really good at killing pioneers? Sherman Crocodiles. 6 stands and the company CiC dead in one turn.

>>51291969
KV-8s are good for that, too.

>>51291109
That's the problem I have with Warpac in Team Yankee... They come in one flavor, expensive as fuck. This has been a problem with Soviets in general, though.

>>51290516
I've never had any issues with the Operation: Unthinkable, primarily because it could have easily happened. Patton wanted to bum-rush east after Berlin, and Russia might not have ever joined the Allies had Germany not started Barbarossa.

>>51292715
So did churchill, to be fair.

Also anyone got any tips on how to do a tarmac/asphalt base for TY? I want to make the bases look distinctively "modern" but I'm not sure how to go about it.

>>51288264
That'd be good, too.

I want a duo of movies about El Alamein. One from the Allies perspective and the other from the Axis.

>>51289128
Well shit, that looks nice! 6x4 I take it? Do we have a price?

>>51293208

Haven't tried it myself but my fist thought is to use texture gel with a very fine grain to it. Paint dark grey with a slightly lighter dry brush then add white/yellow stripes as desired.

So it Team Yankee shit? I was kinda hoping to get into it for Cold War goodness

>>51294149
Depends upon what you're looking for... If you like space marine NATO, and/or orc-spam Warpac, then yeah. You'll like Team Yankee. But if you're looking for less than optimal but more numerous NATO, or a Warpac force that has some measure of quality to it, then you'll be fairly dissapointed.

>>51294149
It's fast playing, and relatively easy to learn.

The biggest problem with it is that the Communist countries in the game tend towards large spammy army lists of units that are Good Enough, while the various members of NATO have smaller armies with better equipment.

The balance is decent, but the spammy Warsaw Pact lists cost more money to build, and make the table feel crowded if you go for the full East German or Soviet Swarm.

>>51294261
Yeah, I was looking at the "shifting sands" event pictures and it all looks so crammed, especially with BMPs on the table where there's 14 vehicles in one slot.

>>51293286
> 6x4 I take it? Do we have a price?

Yes. Nothing on price yet.

>>51294537
It can be...but you don't have to build armies like that, and you don't have to play 100 Pts: I much prefer 80-85 on a 6x4 table. But spam armies will spam any any points level.

(wish they had done TY in 10mm...)

>>51294149

While I don't agree with every design choice, the game is fun to play. Bigger boards are better, but especially if you are playing on a 6'x4', I suggest you drop points down to 80. Makes you have to make tough decisions about what to bring and it frees up board space for maneuver.

>>51291109
>The gears and goggles crowd is quite literally everywhere
It's shit, shiiiiiiiit!

>>51294149
If you want a caricature written by anti-Soviet types and with a Hollywood understanding of the conflict, sure.

Given the choice between RV and CT infantry, which would you take and why? Does it depend on what weapons they have and how many are in the platoon? Assume they're the same points cost and part of an Always Attacks tank company.

>>51298471
Of course it depends on how many and what they're armed with. Do you want them to hold down objectives or clear out objectives? Depends what's in the rest of your army. I'd go with the CT if you want infantry to flush objectives out, Motivation is very important in assault, RV if you want to hold your own objectives because not getting shot is more important there.

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Has anyone played the Divisional Cavalry list out of Blitzkrieg?

These little guys are kawaii as fuck and I want to field the list but I fail to see how you can actually do anything with them aside from just playing it as an artillery list

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Has anyone used the PSC war spray for Russian uniform, their website says to use khaki, which is closer to the uniforms of 1943, Stalingrad/ Kursk?

>>51278206
what, you want to be limited to one faust per squad of FV cavalry, and give up QoQ options?

Hero Kavaleryskiy Polk for life.

>>51300706
On the other hand, he has this thing called "smoke", which I hear is useful for not getting shot to death on the way in.

Also re-rolling the Huzar moves when mounted on horseback is nice.

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>>51289567
Because Best Germany isn't that at all.

What I love is how on the BF forum, any time anyone asks for not-shit soviets, the reply is always "can't have hordes with good stats!", even though that's not what people are asking for. They further compound this by saying both FOW, and TY are by default, Company vs Battalion rules, and should not be Company vs Company rules, like you'd expect. Seriously, it's not rocket science here guys. Stat the soviets to play at the company level, and boom, suddenly the soviet players are not complaining, and the game is not just NATO-wank target practice: the game. >>51292681 would also be prevented by more useful considerations to unit size.

Additionally I noticed people asking where the Soviets 120mm mortars and similar packed weapons were, given how common they are at the battalion level, and that brought up a further thought. TY's gone way out of its way to avoid an integral part of the armies for all sides currently in-game, because they're either towed or static weapons. You know, those things we still use today. What's up with that?

>>51299034
It's EW so remember like 90% of other lists are going to be vulnerable to AT 3 and 4 and tank vs infantry is actually a pretty solid matchup since a FP 5+ gun with rof 3 is going to do some hurt pinning them and is actually liable to hold up relatively well in assault. Top 1 is a lot when most armies won't have any TA at all.

>>51301072
I'd have said to start that they were focusing on the mechanised stuff because they were adapting the Team Yankee novel, which was about mechanised dudes, but when brits came out with HMG stands and light mortars then put it's manpads in an APC for some goddamn reason I started questioning it.

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>>51301300
One of the designers went on to say TY's "supposed to emulate the modern battlefield", and the rapid movement involved in assymetric warfare, so they ditched everything that wasn't ATGMs pretty much. Silly shit.

>>51301072
>Additionally I noticed people asking where the Soviets 120mm mortars and similar packed weapons were
This is particularly bizarre because the US gets mortars.

>>51301072
>Additionally I noticed people asking where the Soviets 120mm mortars and similar packed weapons were, given how common they are at the battalion level
Huh, I went and checked and there it is; every motor rifle battalion has six mortars and six APCs. One battery with three platoons of two mortars each. That is kind of weird it's missing.

>>51299034
I run them in my regiment, fucking hat building them

>that moment when the only thing that would get you into team yankee is volks armee
>Everyone says it dogs shit so I get discouraged

Fuck me.

>>51301923
Dude do it, just buy psc for t-55s
also
why the fuck are there so many soviets here, specifically east germans

>>51301950
Because 4chan is commies.

>>51301950
Because not all of use are YEEEHAAW BURGERS AND FREEDOM FRIES AND LIBERTY Americans?

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>>51301984
>not amerifat
>must be commie
that sounds pretty American to me
>tfw play British in every era and yanke

>>51294252
leopard 1 says high, ass-schprecen

>>51301984
I basically refuse to play the U.S. in any game(outside of say U.S. Civil War) because I grew up being told how awesome and infallible my country was.

Also playing other countries is just way more fun.

>>51301950
It's not that all of us play Soviets.

It that almost all of us, even those of us who occasionally complain about massive bitching and moaning about the Soviets, can honestly admit that they are in need of some tweaks, fixes, or modifications to make them better in-game.

I play Soviets in Team Yankee, mostly because I kinda needed to have both armies to run demos. But even there I can see an in-game faction that doesn't always live up to the real world threat that they posed.

I don't think Soviets are some god-awful unplayable derp-faction, but it's clear that the other nations have things in their favor, both in the game and likely in reality as well, that make the Soviets feel like a lesser faction in the game.

>>51302398
Leopard 1s still aren't quite the same level of spammy hordes as the Soviets. Although technically they are sub-optimal NATO forces compared to the Abrams or Leopard 2.

>>51303632
The other part of the Soviet Complaining is to ensure a healthy level of competition and fun
It's no fun to roll up and know that you're the 'Supposed-To-Lose' Faction. It's better to believe that this final counter attack as the Germans might be the one that saves Germany, it's better to believe that you have a chance of stopping the Blitzkrieg as the French and save your nation that humiliation.

It's less fun to turn up as 'Muh Asiatic hordes' and provide the target practice.

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>>51301950
Genuine Commie here; it's probably because of the aesthetic and stratagem - as well as the fact it's not the usual 'protagonist' faction - though Team Yankee seems to present America as such.

I imagine it's considered dangerous to present the Soviets in any sort of positive light in these scenarios or as protagonists at all.

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>>51301950
I came from /wgg/ East Germany was the patrician's faction back there.

>>51302474
Funnily enough the UK and BRD have been given such a Mary Sue treatment, right now the US are looking the least offensive. Though I guess that will change when their new book comes.

>>51295093
>(wish they had done TY in 10mm...)
Try it in 6mm lad, unless you go GHQ it's cheap as chips, and 2bh even the budget manufacturers like scotia make some really nice pieces, can't go far wrong at 55p a tank.

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>>51302152
>>tfw play British in every era and yanke
yes lad

>>51256061
>cold war 88s

Noice.

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I've built a Gepanzerte Panzergren LW list for Overlord, and I'm wondering if I can fit the PZ III's I have lying around into it. I've found pic related in Bridge at Remagen. Would you allow your opponent to field it in Late War on top of his Overlord list, /tg/?

>>51301950
East Germans seemed like a cool idea. WARPAC equipment with superior training. I have West Germans, so I thought doing an East German OPFOR would be cool. At this point though, I am going to mainly be collecting WARPAC tonks. I will be using my generic T-55s for Arab Israeli and Vietnam. If each commie/durka faction is going to be a horde of derps there's no point in buying 100+ tanks to use for each one.

>>51304458
The Brits were a wankfest. I think they were Pete's favorite so they gave them 5 plastic kits and made them able to take a fuck ton of Milans. Has anyone played against Brit Mechanized infantry? Pretty soon I am going to give it a go with the East Germans.

>>51303780
I think some of the missions help the Soviets feel dangerous. I really like Hasty Attack when the Soviets are attacking.

>>51306138
are you asking if you can use a Bridge at Remagen list against an allied list from Overlord, or if you can insert that platoon into a German PzGren list from atlantik wall?

>>51306207
>Has anyone played against Brit Mechanized infantry?

Yes, as Soviet Tanks. It did not end well for me.

>>51306138
If you want to follow the rules to the letter, you're really supposed to field your army from briefings within just *ONE* book.

I know it's only Panzer IIIs, and not anything cheesy, but people tend to see "build your list from one book" and "don't go over the points limit" as the two key rules of listbuilding.

>>51304458
>Funnily enough the UK and BRD have been given such a Mary Sue treatment, right now the US are looking the least offensive.
This is one of the things that happens when you make your opfor into chumps, incidentally.

>>51306207
>Has anyone played against Brit Mechanized infantry?
Worse. Airmobile.

In general the UK brings obscene amounts of ATGMs, and for the soviets it's really hard to deal with them. Germany might be better, since you have better base skill to try and pin stuff with artillery before it buttfucks your tanks.

Also has anyone worked out how you unpin Hails?

>>51306245
I wanted to insert a pziii platoon into Atlantik Wall list. But as >>51306277 pointed out, it will probably lead to at least some bitching, so I'll keep my pziii's for Mid-war lists.

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>>51301950
Because East Germany is best Germany

and their music had the perfect mix of German and Soviet style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

also, Puhdys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDczkd-Ofw

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>>51304415
my genossen

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>>51306304
>Also has anyone worked out how you unpin Hails?

See the image from the FM 101 guide. It was snuck into there. I am assuming LARS work the same way as an unarmored tank team (4+ Remount for LARS).

>>51306277
>>51306304
They just seem really nasty. The problem Is that even if you can pin them
you have to get in there to assault (suicide against the British) or shoot them up to remove them. I was thinking Soviet infantry might be useful, but after seeing hordes of them get mowed down in the open the last game I played I am not so sure.

Maybe you try to force the Brits to attack you. Or maybe you try for a Hasty attack to get a reserve advantage and try to isolate and destroy a group of infantry one at a time.

>>51298471
>>51298619

are there any RV forces outside EW South Africans and some King Tigers?

>>51306657
7th armored (Desert Rats) and 51st (Highland) divisions in Overlord are both RV. Something about fighting in the desert for years and then getting thrown into the Normandy fighting after getting new (and poor) commanders.

Also half of the US lists in Bridge at Powercreep.

>>51306657
>EW South Africans
You're thinking of MW South Africans, they're CT in EW.

>>51306736
Also, nachtjäger (means Night Hunter) Germans, US fortified in BotB, Grey Wolf Sperrverband, Finn Lapin Sota Jalkaväki...

>>51306551
>See the image from the FM 101 guide. It was snuck into there. I am assuming LARS work the same way as an unarmored tank team (4+ Remount for LARS).
No, that's what I mean; it has a remount number, as does the LARS, but as an unarmoured tank unit it doesn't get bailed, it gets pinned, and needs a rally number. I guess that says "Rally" there, at least, but the LARS is still wrong.

It's really becoming clear to me that battlefront really don't care about writing their rules very rigorously. Helo ATGMs are apparently still +1 to hit against aircraft, despite aircraft firing at other aircraft ignoring the usual penalties, a penalty which is suggested absolutely nowhere in the corebook.

>>51306551
>The problem Is that even if you can pin them
>you have to get in there to assault (suicide against the British) or shoot them up to remove them.
This seems to be an issue particularly because the soviets are comically bad in assault. How on earth an army with such a focus on getting stuck in with AKs ended up with abysmal assault I will never know.

>>51306207
>The Brits were a wankfest
speaking of brits how are the spartans.
My local store got them literally last night and i've been wondering if i should make the 3-4 trek out of my Canadian wilderness to pick up a one carry apc.
Honestly I'm not sure if i see the value

>>51307815
It's a pretty versatile kits. You can make the spartan, the striker, the Milan launcher, or the blowpipe. Not sure if there is an easy way to swap out between variants.

I don't own British, but I think the blowpipe is seriously underrated. 4 tracked rapiers are extremely vulnerable to a determined air or artillery attack.

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>>51308355
fuck i forgot about the blowpipes
thanks anon that's a damn good reason to pick them up.
hell i needed more milans anyway

>>51308442
>British
>need more Milan missiles

No you don't. You already have a bazillion and a half to begin with.

Damn TY Brits, more anti-tank rockets than Late War US Armored Rifles.

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>>51308638
This is why I am terrified to fight the British.

Out of curiosity, how do West German Marder panzergrenadiers compare to Brit mech infantry or Soviet lists?

>>51308638
>You already have a bazillion and a half to begin with.
I don't really see it but then again i don't know the soviet/American/westnazi armys all that well.
then again I'm mostly running chieftain armoured Battle groups and you can only field swingfires in that list.
at worst with the FECKIN' MEEEKs you cano field 2 per platoon for a grand total of 8 per company + 4 MCTs.
If i was airlanding i could see it, 3x per max size platoon and 8 per section.
that's some cunnty shit right there

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>>51309384

>>51309417
They're somewhat poor. They have small unit sizes make them vulnerable to unlucky losses. Better ATGMs than the US, though, and they have a proper IFV for backup, which so far nobody else has on NATO's side, though it's useless against tanks.

>>51309509
Yeah, most of the ATGM horror of the brits comes from airlanding. FV companies are merely nasty and impossible to assault.

>>51309618
The thing is, every british list can also be an airmobile list, because sticking a full complement of airmobile and all it's AT hell goodness onto anything else is only 26 points. It's less than one platoon of abrams or leopards.

>>51308638
>>51309618
>>51309693
also the more i look at the air mobile scots, the more i think it might be strict pay to win.
>2 linx costs 50dollars, you need nine and a higher amount of milans then normal if you want to run a max squad.
for about 26 points that's over 350 dollars before taxes.
if you build swingfires and a foo in a mech list that's the same points for a full 100+ dollars less
and if you build armoured then that's even less 2x chefitian troops and maybe one fv at most running you 150 for (14 for hq still, 36 for two max size plats and 12 for a min + 6 for max swingfire) 68 pts + 2 fvs left over (incidentally this is why i am mostly armoured)
and i definitely honestly tell you which is more effective
also what do you anons favor, scorpion or scimitar

>>51309838
>and i definitely honestly tell you which is more effective
Yeah, the airmobile attachment lists are absolutely horrific against T-72s, at least. I had a minor burst of hope a few threads back when someone mentioned a pinned ATGM can't fire, but combining the soviet's appalling artillery with 3+ rally from the leader and you're never going to be able to reliably keep them pinned, and you only get to smoke once a game now. Best luck I've had is night fighting but +1 to hit only goes so far since they're still IR.

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>>51309959
Only chance with T-72s is to try to get in a knife fight under smoke. Of course your derpy arty will probably fail to smoke when you need to most.

East Germans are more or less screwed as even the crappy 66mm rockets can kill your tanks. I guess just park in front of them and shoot. Carl Gustav's in the mechanized units make things even more complicated. They can kill East German tanks from the front.

>When soviets try to counter britbong missile spam with longer range BMP/Spandrel missile spam at the dug in infantry

>>51311262
>Of course your derpy arty will probably fail to smoke when you need to most.
And this is my big problem with TY's/V4 smoke. A few failed rolls and you've wasted your only chance. Making smoke more effective and more random was not a good design decision, as it makes tactics more dependant upon luck.

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>>51311262
>Carl Gustav's
>can kill East German tanks from the front.

>>51311303
I had assumed that if you didn't range in there was no smoke fired, so you could try again. Is that not the case? If so, that does make smoke pretty worthless.

>>51311262
>Only chance with T-72s is to try to get in a knife fight under smoke. Of course your derpy arty will probably fail to smoke when you need to most.
Yeah, I don't think anyone realised just how bad skill 5+ would make artillery. I assumed they'd be alright at multiplying fractions of six together at least but so much about TY is so incredibly slapdash I'm feeling like maybe they didn't.

>>51312487
If you have more guns firing and an observer, you get a plus to hit. So six guns firing and an observer actually gives you a 3+ to hit.

>>51312487
Can't even tell you how many times I've seen Soviet artillery fail to range in. The math says it shouldn't be that bad (29% without an OP), but it happens fairly frequently.

In my limited TY experience, Soviet forces generally use their smoke early game.

You can pre-plot your ranged in marker at your intended line of advance, removing the need to range in for that critical early-game smoke bombardment.

>>51312553
More guns firing affects hits, not ranging in, though the OP helps a little.

>>51312583
It's almost a third of the time, so I can see it.

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>>51307606
Because the 'zerg faction' can't have good stats, if you listen to Phil/BF's forum, ever.

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>>51313637

>>51314322
Didn't mean to link to your post.

Is there a site that has a list of every V4 change we know of, in normal text instead of by listening to annoying podcasts?

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>>51314322
>mfw

That guy's insufferable everywhere else too. Everyone who disagrees with him hasn't played the game. Worst kind of debater.

>>51314322
>Making money is less important than Game Balance

Said no Games company ever.

>>51314322
>BF has been clever in pricing the T55 so highly

This is a level of shitposting I can only dream of achieving.

Like holy shit, that's incredible. Is this guy actually serious? If so, I'd love to see his reaction to the PSC T55 announcement.

What kills me is Battlefront is literally the only game company I've ever seen that is this reluctant to make eastern bloc/ WWII Soviets be skilled. Hell almost every other system out there throws soviets a bone or three. Even fucking BOLT ACTION, which is Saving Private Ryan the Movie the Game the Animated Picture Brought to you by the Creative Genius of JJ Abrams gives Soviets the option of veteran units. And that game gives Soviets a free inexperienced infantry squad (aka conscripts) to every Soviet list as a national rule. I just don't understand it.

If I didn't know better I'd swear Phil is just a salty Wehraboo World of tanks/War Thunder player. I say this as a guy who plays German tanks and planes in War Thunder almost exclusively, my god the German players are the absolute fucking worst when it comes to bitching. God help you if a T34/85 gets a pointblank shot through the front of their Tiger, the pure nerd rage is just incredible. It's the only possible answer.

That or Phil was sexually abused as a small boy by a Soviet Veteran, but I find that far less likely

>>51315918
Because TY target are gongards who want to make reality their cold war dreams of killing commies

>Just finished reading Tom Clancys Red Storm Rising for the second time.

The need to play team yankee intensifies.

>>51316675
>dat fight between the Soviet bombers and the USN carrier group

muh dick

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>>51308638
>>51309384
>>51309528

you guys want me to try and rapefuck the brits with my rolling Geppard legions of fuck-all sanity......

soon to be reinforced by all the Fuchs i can give.....

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>>51316747

>The face you have when the radar officer calls VAMPIRE VAMPIRE VAMPIRE

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>>51316816

>>51314322
>unless someone makes plastic T-55s

When was this posted?

Can there be people that honestly don't know?

Or is this intentional trolling?

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>>51317107
>20 Jan 2017
The guy that posted that is some tournie organizer cuck of BF's.

>>51317169
I need to learn to read. I didn't even see that in the image.

Are the PSC T-55s not public knowledge on the the BF forums? Because they're certainly known of here and on the unofficial Team Yankee Facebook group.

Or is BF almost GW-like in not allowing discussion of other companies and their miniatures?

Because either way, this guy is coming across as completely clueless.

PSC will make T-55 hordes significantly more affordable.

Whether or not they're a good idea remains to be seen, but PSC will make them cheap enough to consider fielding in large numbers.

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>>51316515
>dreams of killing commies
you say that like it's a bad thing. spend some time with anti-fa and see how you feel.
>tfw gulag list
still it doesn't make for a compelling story, without an iron core of elite commies how are you supposed to up the ante in your American war movie

>>51317269
Talking about other people's stuff is discouraged, which they're quite within their rights to do, it is an official battlefront forum. It's why we don't talk about Bolt Action here.
As for this guy, his moment of retardedness shall make the highlight reel. Maybe we should make a list of 'Dumbest things ever said about Flames of War' for Panzerfunk's 2017 episode.

>>51317327
Speaking of, I apologize for not scheduling one.

I have had zero time to do so in either December or January.

Although waiting for a copy of Volksarmee to fully review might not be a bad idea.

As for "dumbest things ever said about FoW or TY", feel free to compile a list. I'm not on the official forum, so I leave that in the capable hands of those who are.

Also, I'll need the Team Speak server info again. I got a new computer over the holidays, and need to input the information.

>>51317325
ok Phill

>>51317269
Battlefront will delete posts because they are butt hurt. They won't even let people post images of 6mm, because I guess they are afraid people will switch over.

>>51316776
Gepard , Leo1, and 113 deathspam is the true spam list to worry about. Mass Gepard fire basically erases infantry from existence. It has the same firepower as a rocket barrage with insane rate of fire. Not sure I want to drop the money on a cheese, but Gepards are so badass.

>>51315918
Thank you for the biggest kek of the evening. "Phil point to where they hurt you on the Tiger model."

>>51314322
The stupidity on the Battlefront forums knows no bounds. Literally half the threads now are "Rate my Volksarmee Spam list"

>>51312602
I wish the preplotted barrage was more useful. Smoke is the one way to make sure you get some value out of it.

Playing Team Yankee in 6mm solved all of the cost and "parking lot look" problems, so now all I have to complain about are the rules. :(

>>51317443
Wish I could pop in for one again, I've been working/gaming every sunday for the past several months and am always busy when you guys record

>>51317530
>Gepard , Leo1, and 113 deathspam is the true spam list to worry about

If it wasn't for the fact that my Americans made me hate assembling M113 chassis, I'd be tempted to do a Panzertruppen list for my West Germans at some point.

Although I could do Aufklarungs and Panzergrenadiers out of Leopard, just so I can avoid assembling even more fucking M113 chassis. Boring build and boring model. Even if it is accurate for the real world vehicle.

But yeah, the Leo 1 and the Gepard are highly tempting.

>Rate my Volksarmee Spam list

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see the T-55 horde at least once, either playing as it or playing against it.

What kind of spam lists are people coming up with?

>>51317815
I'd probably be looking to do a Saturday in February, once at least one of us has a copy of Volksarmee to read through.

But as always it's a matter of trying to match all of our schedules over massive differences in time zones.

>>51317879
yeah that probably wont work for me either, I have an Only War group that meets on saturdays.

It's all good, just lamenting that I'm always busy. I only ever get games in against C3K honestly, I haven't really kept up on news anymore. I mostly just come here because it's a nice place to talk WWII/Moderns along with the /hwg/. My computer just keeps turning on my name now or else I'd be anon more.

I have almost no historical community to speak of around me so this is my only real outlet. Nobody else really gives a shit but I'm working on that. Plan is to rope them in with Bolt Action since the minis are cheap and the rules are easy for 40k people to understand.

>>51317879
Well if you guys need anyone to chime in on Italians in V4 when they drop let me know. I need to buy a mic, but that's not too hard.

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>>51317842
I'd let you proxy your American M113s as West Germans and just use the grenadiers with them.

Panzertruppen lets you do so many naughty things. M113's, Gepards, and Leo 1s work together so well. An 18 x Gepard list is definitely doable, no problem.

>>51317842
>What kind of spam lists are people coming up with?

There are a few different ones:

Guy posted a 52 BMP-1 list with 77 infantry stands 6 Hinds and AA support 4 shilkas and 4 Gaskins. Guy also posted list in my pic and a thread complaining about how his units wouldn't fit inside of the deployment zone.

Lots of T-72M spam lists too. We'll see how well the East German tanks do compared to the soviets.

>>51317959
$20-30 US buys a decent USB headset with built-in mic.

I think the one I use was maybe closer to the $30 end, but it certainly works while still being cheap.

High quality podcasting equipment is damn expensive.

>>51317933
I've had Christmas, my Birthday, New Years, and now family from California in town. I have not had any free weekends to record.

As for community building, I need to put in a bit more work. I could have a small core group up and running soon if people don't get pissed at "some nobody" trying to organize the local Team Yankee players, instead the former TO for FoW at one of the FLGSs. The guy has an ego.

And that's coming from me...

>>51318024
>Those lists.

Holy hell. Those are spammy as fuck.

And probably expensive as fuck too.

>>51317499
>ok Phill
nigga what part of
>without an iron core of elite commies
or actual vet level soviets do you not understand

>>51318104
>>51317443
Eagles mate, it's okay, No one does any actual work in Late December and Early January. Don't beat yourself up about it.

Also I bought a ten dollar microphone, and it works perfectly okay, it's not stellar, but it's okay.

>>51318104
I'm just gonna pick up a Snowball or something. Got a nice set of headphones already, so $30-50 for a nice usb mic is doable...after Valentine's.

>>51318104
>Screaming Eagles
>some nobody

I take it you don't advertise your power level?

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>>51318284
Why would you?

>"Hi I'm Bob, you might know me as that namefag Hungariboo on that Flames of War general on 4chan, you know, that mongolian cave painting corkboard webpage that's known as the cess pool of the internet."

I don't share my power level unless somebody else brings it up honestly. Well, that, and meeting up with other people on here, but that's kind of obvious.

Gotta say, meeting people off of 4chan, even though it's just /fowg/, feels like playing russian roulette sometimes.

>>51318207
You're mic typically isn't the problem.

Was it Bartosz or Hungariboo that had the angry Cylon mic for a while?

>>51318284
God no.

Even if I did, I'm still a mid-tier mostly casual player. I'd probably get my ass handed to me at Nationals if I even tried.

>>51318332
Also this.

I've met only a small handful of my online-only friends.

Mostly it has gone well, but there is a decent amount of in-person awkwardness to overcome.

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>>51318425
Bartosz, I remember he would go full robot occasionally, although I did have a fucked mic at one point.

>>51318425
Ironically I'm more well known for a different name I have on another wargaming forum. To the point of where if I mention that I post on that forum people will almost immediately guess that it's me if they've used it.

I don't know what that says about me, but it can't be good.

Alright I'm shutting up for the night, hopefully I can get the computer to stop making my name pop up every post and go back to being mostly anon for a while now.

>>51318332
I.. Advertise Panzerfunk to people I know, sometimes. In Meatspace.

>>51317325
> anti-fa
> Commies
Black-bloc types aren't Commies and are usually bitter left-liberals with a passion for smashing windows.

Also,

> embittered pole

>>51317325
I've always found antifa much more reasonable than college neoliberals, but then I also know a lot of SHARPs.

>>51317443
>As for "dumbest things ever said about FoW or TY", feel free to compile a list.
Just look for stuff that guy says.

>>51317530
>Literally half the threads now are "Rate my Volksarmee Spam list"
And half the posts on those are "spamming is against the spirit of the game".

>>51320275
>And half the posts on those are "spamming is against the spirit of the game".

I guess he never encountered 31 Matildas II in FoW...

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>>51320642
This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Question for the thread: Do you have to be behind buildings/trees to gain concealment from aircraft?

>>51321552
Nope though how close you have to be depends on the game, 4" for TY and 2" (IIRC) for FoW.

You can tell nobody really uses aircraft for FoW around here.

>>51318540
I tend to recommend it on the various Facebook pages when people ask for FoW and TY podcasts.

I genuinely enjoy listening to us. And that's *after* spending hours actually editing the recordings.

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Decided to bite the bullet and begin slowly working on my Volksarmee BMP/T72 horde. I will liberate the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARyFooxGS_o

>>51322215
Part of me wants to play the T-55 horde of shitty tanks. I won't lie.

But I already have US, Soviets, and West Germans.

I don't need a *fourth* army.

Although I half expect that a PSC sale will eventually tempt me...

>>51317530
speaking of 6mm, thinking of trying to make a HG PanzerKompanie with it to use for practice against myself

>>51323410
You can just buy a few boxes of T-55s without doing to full retard spam. As fun as all those tanks sound, I think minefields and template weapons could ruin their day. Imagine what would happen if a tornado got in a cluster bomb salvo on your tanks.

>>51324481
I have some 6mm T-34s and a few Panzer IV Fs sitting around. Never thought about playing flames with them, but it might be a fun way to play higher points from time to time.

______
Volksarmee just dropped at the FLGS. I'll probably pick it up this week. I ordered some Hinds, Tornados, and Frogfoots online. Kinda feel bad about not supporting the shop, but with my gaming budget Battlefront's prices would considerably slow down my collecting. The academy tornado's on frogfoots look awesome. Hopefully the build isn't too bad.

>>51319518
>Black-bloc types aren't Commies and are usually bitter left-liberals with a passion for smashing windows.
The hammer and sickle i've seen on their attire has always confused me on that.
>>51320262
>SHARPs
never met them, those faggots sound crazy

>>51325600
They're better than the other kind of skinhead, at least, but that's not hard.

>>51325600
Just because someone calls themselves something doesn't mean they are actually said thing.

>>51326451

I post on 4chan, but am otherwise a mostly respectable human being.

>>51324934
At the very least I'll probably buy the Volksarmee book, and that'll be from The War Store.

I need to place an order with them anyway for some Zvezda stufffir my TY Soviets.

And technically, they're close enough for me to think of them as a "local" business.

>>51320642
>spamming is against the spirit of the game
How do these people respond to the fact that it is trivial for some lists to barely fit in their deployment zones for the retarded table quarter missions? I'm the Puscasifag and there are several Italian players here. We ended up having to ban those missions from local tournaments after two of us were literally unable to legally deploy in one round.
>hurf durf buy tanks
I'm not allowed to.

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>>51327479
Also I'd like to note that shit like this list is why BF swapped Romanians and Italians to battalions in the first place: players were unable to reach point limits for tournaments when they went out of Ostfront. Then they went back to companies for EW and you end up with forces that are just "pick all the good units, then all the bad units, then make the bad units more expensive to try and reach high-end games."

In short BF needs to stop making Potato forces if they want to not have spam players.

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This is what 300 points of East Germans looks like. From FB.

>>51328470

I think I felt my Harriers literally twitch in anticipation.

>>51328470
So they never made it out of deployment because they all crashed into each other and wrecked their tracks, right?

>>51326556
Bullshit.

>>51328470
I'll admit to not fully knowing the points yet for E German stuff, but that's roughly how I was imagining the standard 100 points based on all the discussion about ridiculous amounts of spam.

>>51328470
>>51328784
Okay, actually looking at the other pictures on Facebook, it seems I misjudged the size of the table.

Still, while it is fender to fender, I was expecting something more along the lines of "Mall Parking around Christmas" in terms of how crowded it would look.

>>51328784
100 points would be the front line of that, and I'm pretty sure that's a wide table (is it an 8' table long-edge?)

>>51328470
>300 points
Jesus.

In a game with two spam armies why would you willingly do that to yourself?

>>51324934
for now grabbing box of Pnz 3M and 3N to serve for my purposes. use the Ns to help cover advance with smoke shells.

>>51328851
Lots of T-72s in there, so imagine if they weren't there, heh.

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>>51328470
And what the hell is with those trees in front of the T-55s? The one on the left looks like a horizontal christmas tree wearing stilts

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How could everything go so wrong.

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I'm looking to get into the game and hopefully find players that live in Long Island NY. Hoping there is a community out there.

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Painted up some little 6mm buildings lads, bout £3.50s worth.

>>51330244
You're in luck, I'm a Long Islander myself. Nassau County.

I have a small group of Team Yankee players, locally that I've been attempting to organize.

Were you look to play Team Yankee or regular Flames of War?