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hey /tg/,
i've started playing a game of 2nd edition D&D. the DM wants it to be a hyper realistic and gritty game of extreme difficulty and is actively trying to kill the players.
assuming its low magic, i wanted to ask what kind of non-magical things i could do to help me survive the dungeon crawl. i would like to talk about some general things first then maybe throw some of the rooms in this crawl at /tg/ to see what they come up with.
creatures in the crawl range from goblins to vampires and so much more.
the party consists of a 15th level paladin/cleric, a 6th level thief/paladin, a 15th level wizard (dont count on him for anything), a 5th level beastmaster ranger, a 5th level fighter, a 6th level monk, a 5th level bard, and a 5th level thief (myself)
i've already worked out some symbols to chalk on the walls, creatures who rely on infavision shouldn't be able to see them.
also, assume i'll probably never see a magic item that isnt my +1 short sword and +1 leathers.
so, any suggestions?
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Walls of meatshields/hirelings in front of you is always a good start.
And lamp oil molotov cocktails are a staple.
Decent way to attack, but dropping them in a doorway is great for covering your escape.
Probably would have been better to ask OSR general?
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>>51215978
i think this is too specific to clog their thread.
on the note of oil, while its not a bad idea, he runs lighting things as like, it takes 1d4 segments to light anything, so throwing a molotov could take 4 segments before i even do anything.
also i've seen him punish people who have a lot of oil. like, literally look at someone's inventory and say, "thats a lot of oil, we have to do something about that"
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>>51216067
>i think this is too specific to clog their thread.
We've been bitching about axing the thief and cleric class for hours how.
It's gotten to the point where we've started bitching about bitching about it.
By all means, inject another discussion into it.
>also i've seen him punish people who have a lot of oil.
So just carry a few. Or keep the oil tightly sealed, plus some empty bottles, then make cocktails between fights.
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>Hobo Signs for dungeons.
GENIUS. Why hasn't this been thought of?
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>>51216283
i literally got it from someone else doing it on /tg/
they posted watcher sighs and SCP field codes
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>>51215898
>2 15th levels
>several 5/6 levels
What the actual fuck?
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>>51215898
ITT: everyone misses the LOtR joke.
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>>51215898
2e was after "roll to detect traps" had muscled out taking verbal cues (or explaining what you'll do to look for traps), right? You should still try doing it the traditional way.
Chalk dust is pretty handy when looking for tripwires. Or airflow (secret doors). Also for leaving yourself those signs, I guess.
If your referee is (properly) running thief abilities as supernatural, you could probably keep a Canaryread: poison gas detectionwithout spoiling your sneaking.
>>51216362
That level gap isn't weird by OSR standards, but having level 15s at all certainly is. Looks like they're starting players at level 5?
>What the actual fuck?
I'd be more confused by the thief/paladin, myself.
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>>51216362
he's letting his brother play with the two characters they had when they where teens and the game was like raining magical items, now its gritty realistic play.
>>51216402
the player started as a thief and the 15th level level paladin more or less forced him to take a level of paladin.
the canary is clever, i like that, somehow i feel like he would make it CONSTANTLY sound because he is actively trying to kill us.
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Coal dust or Flour for dust explosions might be a nice trick. Also, both of those are useful on their own.
Speaking of flour, bread dough makes for a decent poultice. Sometimes worth considering during downtime.
Soot to make you weapons (and armor?) less shiny sounds pretty reasonable.
>>51216443
>i feel like he would make it CONSTANTLY sound because he is actively trying to kill us.
And again, thieves are (or at least, are intended to be) supernaturally quite. Ask him OOG how he'd run it before buying the canary.
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>>51216443
If he's doing that, he's doing it wrong. DM vs. Player doesn't mean bending the rules against you.
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>>51216508
"does your character have any way to know bird behaviors? then how it behaves in a dungeon is something you wouldn't know until you got down there"
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>>51216538
You don't need to know anything about birds to know it's dead when it's dead.
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>>51216538
Not the I was getting at. Is he running thieves as supernatural? Or just competent?
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>>51216548
but i would need to know if i'm gonna know if they would sound constantly.
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>>51216508
he's definately not running thieves as being supernaturally quiet.
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>>51216563
Take it into a dark room.
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A-Are you... browsing this Taiwanese Puppet Show site mid-session?
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Ten foot poles. Preferably extendable ones, but at level 5 you probably can't afford too many of those.
Rocks/pebbles you can throw to set off traps.
Rope. Rope rope rope rope rope rope.
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>Rope. Rope rope rope rope rope rope.
Sure is a funny way of spelling iron spikes, you've got there.
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