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age of emperor when ?

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>>51213277
First for Fulgrim

first for black templars work with psykers, xenos and number only 1000 battle brothers

Are Super-Heavy tanks really that poor compared to their Gargantuan Creature and Super-Heavy Walker counterparts?

I wanted to take another look at what they have to offer before writing them off prematurely.

Also, how are the Space Marine Super-Heavy tanks?

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>>51213277
Nth for Black Templars don't follow the codex (source Codex: Space Marines 7th edition).

stop buying GW hobby tools reeeeeeee

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>>51213252 #
Blood and Fire has Grimaldus stating they don't have a complete copy of the codex and after 10k years it's likely no one does.

>>51213277
>Let's talk about how Orks should be buffed edition

Why not let's talk about how all shitty armies should be buffed.
>Blood Angels
>Grey Knights
>Tyranids
>Harlequins
>Orks
>Dark Eldar
>CSM

>>51213342
tanks can't stomp

>>51213342
1d4 chan please

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>>51213343
no they're not (source pic related)

So, Hoplite Anon from earlier. Found a pretty neat deal through China for some spears. Only thing is, I don't think I can magnetize these guys, can I? I'd have to do their heads, both arms, and their backpacks.

That being said, I doubt I'll want to. If anything, I'll keep them because they look badass.

I don't think I'll actually end up running Peltasts, though. Maybe if I was in a Tourney and against a bunch of other tryhard neckbeards? Even then, I still kinda feel bad. I think it's mostly that FW forgot that Rangers all have Relentless, so they can fire everything on the go. And then there's the bizarre parabolic shot. How does 20 small blast templates, even at S3, make a lick of sense in fairness?

It is completely AdMech though.

>>51213342

Yes nigger they're shit stop fucking asking. There's a reason Eldar will ally in Riptide wing but nobody bothers to ally in IG or SM tanks.

Does anybody have that pic of Magnus with a LoC head that somebody was working on? It looked fucking choice and I wanna do it too.

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>>51213367
>"But anon Tyranids are in a good place right now"

>>51213386
Nobody cares fuck off

>>51213385
>Using a 2014 book to contradict the 2015 codex
Maximum keks.

>>51213385
Their 7th ed codex is more recent and contradicts it, therefore that particular bit of fluff is retconned.

Should I put klaws or big choppas on nobz? They both look cool. of course the box comes only one kombiskorcha

>>51213432
>my lower colon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Army-Painter-Hobby-Set/dp/B015ZS701I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484453119&sr=8-2&keywords=army+painter+hobby+set what the fuck is with this price

>>51213458
amazon is the worst online store in the world, use anything else

>>51213445

Klaws look cooler AND are the better option

>>51213458
Stay away from Amazon, Anon. They usually run things at very close to retail.

>>51213289
I get this a lot at my LGS

>>51213386
Anon, if the tourney is against neckbeard tryharda, there are bound to be plenty of Eldar and Marine players. Unless you can field a WarConvo (which you should if the point limit is high enough) literally everything is fsir game. Sure, you might feel bad about stomping the occasional ork or nids player but those will be colateral damage.

>>51213470
wow the box actually comes with 5 klaws

I want at least one with the over the shoulder choppa though. He can take challenges or something I guess.

>>51213442
>>51213439
>new codex doesn't contradict 1000 battle brothers at all

yeah, you sure showed me, I'm so sorry you're butt blasted over the fact that your mary-sue black marines don't number more than 1000 (and actually are much less than that now given how many died in fall of cadia)

>>51213483
I've heard that argument too but when you get down to it it's a matter of spending more upfront for stuff or more in smaller chunks over a period of time.

We usually are the former to their latter.

>>51213517
the over the shoulder big choppa always looks cool as shit. Oldfag Orkfag says do it and don't look back

>>51213432
On a note of cruddace. he apperantly revealed that they do have in house play testing and occasionally call in well known pros to help. this was in 2012 mind you

>>51213529
>spending more up front

yeah it's not like they spend $200+ on boxes four times a year

>>51213519
Sorry for being a stickler for factual accuracy over an army I don't even play?

Seriously, I don't even play Marines and had to call bullshit on your retardation.

>>51213519
>Haha, my statement, that had no official confirmation in the first place and everything related to the topic contradicts it, wasn't denied yet! It must be true! Get fucked!

Sure showed us, pal.

>>51213512
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm working towards a Convocation anyway, like every AdMech player. It just means collecting the army like normal, and getting rewarded for it with broken ass rules. I wonder how many Peltasts I can fit in a Convocation list while also maintaining points cost. Let me see...

I can't wait.

>>51213566
Not sure if Peltasts can even be run in a Convo. Need to use a Battle Maniple for the Skitarii part, not a Skitarii Maniple.

>>51213544
True, that had gotten worse over the years. I just justify my purchases to myself by how much they cost divided by the number of hours I use them. Pennies an hour for enjoyment is a good deal in my opinion.

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All hail Trazyn, uncontested Pokémaster of the 41st Millennium

>>51213540
it's settled

I will post pics of my freebooter orks once they are built.

Debating also to attach them to the base or not before or after painting. and don't worry I have some 32mm bases for them

>>51213566

None - you have to use a Battle Maniple.

>>51213605
Trollzyn.

>>51213483
My brother has been a fan of the 40k universe and stuff like Dawn of War for years and always had a huge boner for Necrons. I kept telling him to just get himself a small set of them as decoration if nothing else, but he didn't want to "spend so much money on it and also have to paint it with no experience" (I even offered him to paint them in his stead). Now I've convinced 2 of his best friends to also start the game.

Meanwhile, he bought himself a new PC for 2 grand 2 years ago and an HTC Vive that he uses once every few months last year.

So what's the follows thing YOUR DUDES have done lately /tg/?

>>51213645
Try again, I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

>>51213639
Best Necron.

>>51213585
>>51213608
Yup, just double checked the math. No dice. Maybe if I took minimum squad size for the dunecrawlers and whatnot or took a shittier knight, but that's hardly worth it. Ah well.

>>51213645
What have MY DUDES done lately?
My Draigo got turned into a Herald of Tzeentch. That's what my dudes did. Failed the 3d6 warpstorm LD check.

>>51213659
Best xeno period

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Burning the midnight oil, working on my first Vostroyan.

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>>51213560
>not official

ITT: GW ISN'T THE OFFICIAL SOURCE OF 40K CANON

>>51213657
What cool shit has your army done in game, to?

>>51213666
It's really not a point issue, it's a "literally not allowed as part of War Convocation" issue, since all your Skitarii units are the ones allowed in a Battle Maniple, which is one of every Codex unit.

>>51213667
draigo isn't YOUR DUDE though, he's games workshop's dude

>>51213645
Nearly tabled some Corsairs, while losing almost nothing.

>>51213645
My Emperor's Champion was killed in a duel with Pask after my Templars broke his tank.

>>51213645
sapped my will to live

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>>51213468
>a
>>51213471
ty maties <3

Trying to think if I need anything else here.

>>51213606
oldfag again. I've always had the best results with before, it helps to bond more strongly to the base, it makes it easier to paint quickly (stuck on a cork with putty) and the splashing on the base get's covered up when it's done.

The only ones i do off the base are the HQ's because i like doing cool bases for them (rubble , guardsmen, etc)

New player, back from my first couple of non-deathwatch games playing 750 point Orks at my FLGS.

Won a very close game against Slamanders by keeping my boys in their face long enough to get some use out of my killa kans, but my match against the Tau saw me pretty thoroughly trounced.

Orks have a much better job keeping up with other codexes at lower point costs, from what I've seen and played, but the Tau are definitely an exception to that if I've been having the typical experience of playing against them. I don't think I've ever seen 20 boys go off the field as quick as when those twin-linked flying disc things opened up on me. It was a slaughter, but I still had fun.

I'm not sure what I can do to retaliate next round, but more boys in trukks and less boys blobs foot slogging seems like it might be the solution. Either way, I'll keep listbuilding and hope I fare a bit better next week!

>>51213645
They've taken too damn long to come in the mail, leaving me restless and itching to start actually DOING SOMETHING WITH THIS HOBBY DAMNIT.

Would it be bizarre to do progress reports in the general?

>>51213697
Oh I know, I was seeing if I could run a separate skeleton Skitarii Maniple and fit them, but even then it's not worth it.

>>51213683
It's safe to say that codices overrule other media, especially if they're more recent.

Stop trying to bait Templars players.

>>51213741
nothing is overruling 1000 templars

>>51213694

I had 2 venoms loaded with kabalite warriors drop a Dreadknight.

>>51213727

>Orks have a much better job keeping up with other codexes at lower point costs

They can also do better in extremely large points levels.

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>>51213716
Don't buy the codex or the rulebook friendo. Just download them. Unless you really prefer physical books for some reason. Also ArmyPainter makes a set that includes all of that together. Look for that.

>>51213367
>Blood Angels
SM formations and a black rage rule that makes them Fearless and give them FNP when under stress.
>Grey Knights
Give them an additional attack and drastically lower the cost of their bad units.
>Tyranids
Halve cost or give insane formations that give you infinite Gaunts and Scout for everything.
>Harlequins
4+ Invul save. It makes no sense that Harlequins can exist for a long period of time given that every one of their battles is a suicide mission.
>Orks
Slightly lower cost and better mob rule.
>Dark Eldar
Venoms grant invul saves to everyone within 6", Raiders and Ravagers grant Cover Saves to everyone within 6".
>CSM
Slightly stronger formations. Daemon infused weapons to compete with grav.

>>51213683
I'm impressed your autism went far enough to do that in order to tell me that it's a sub-division.

Saying things from a different branch with different writing staff and sometimes in themselves contradictory books counts as official lore confirmation would be like saying that Forgeworld models count as actual official Games Workshop models and are made by them.
Just because Forge World makes a Manta for Tau and Titans for Marines doesn't make all of those units legal in Games Workshop tournements and still needs to be clarified if they are allowed or not.

>>51213667
Warp dust is a hell of a drug.

>>51213702
What were you playing?

>>51213706
Pask got mad that you broke his toys, eh?

>>51213711
Been there, doing that. Been trying to find a new army project myself.

>>51213744
... OK? You're still just trying to bait people who play a certain faction. You're motives seem to simply be the will to be an irritating cunt.

>>51213683
>novels that are based on information found from the source material is more valid than the source material

>>51213765
>make all of those units legal in Games Workshop tournements and still needs to be clarified if they are allowed or not.

the only tournaments which GW runs (the only games workshop tournaments) are run at warhammer world and allow all forgeworld

>>51213769
It was my Space Marines. It didnt help that he had a lot of his dudes fail Difficult Terrain tests and die.

>>51213724
I've done it both ways before, and both seem to have their advantages. Hard to say which I actually prefer really.

>>51213757
I struggle reading off a screen for long tracks of time, so physical is easier. and I think it's about £10 dearer, but I suppose thats worth it to get it all at once?

>>51213277
>>>51213706
>Pask got mad that you broke his toys, eh?

Apparently so. His vengeance was short lived, however, as my Chaplain killed him next turn.

>>51213781
Yeah, Space Pirate Elves need to be mobile and not dead after all.

>>51213789
You could just download the epubs up in the mega for free, anon.

>>51213789
And it gives plastic glue AND superglue, and basing glue. But yeah, otherwise it's the same stuff just all in one box.

>>51213791
The wrath of mortal man is nothing compared to that of an Astartes.

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>>51213542
>he apperantly revealed that they do have in house play testing and occasionally call in well known pros to help

>one single employee releasing a rumour that a games company actually play tests their games
>same employee believes math is opinion and singlehandedly killed the company's stock but still has a job
>same employee therefore proves his work is good because obviously, the play testers would have said something if it wasn't!

Nice try, Crud.

Next you'll tell me GW has editors and proofreaders, or that codex creep doesn't exist.

>>51213765
>"heh kid" the post

>>51213772
>this person wrote two books
>but only one of them is canon

>>51213716
As people said before, skip the rulebooks. Just download them online. If you end up really liking the hobby (I'm assuming you're new) then you can consider owning them.

Are you getting 20% off retail there? I don't know the Euro prices on those things.

>>51213639
Did trollzyn trick the imperium into blowing up cadia on purpose?

>>51213706
>tfw friend was foolish enough to let his Cawl accept my Emperor's Champion's challenge in test game
>tfw land 3 6s

I came a little.

>>51213797
Not him, but is there a reason why half the pdfs in the OP links are pure shit? It's like someone transcribed each codex into notepad, stripped all the pictures, formatting, and page numbers, and hoped it would be acceptable.

Are you telling me this is what GW is unironically selling, or did something just go horribly wrong?

>>51213810
Indeed.

>>51213645
Lost. Badly.
Ork army. Oh, did you mean my tyranid army?
Nothing, because they're banished to the shelf.

>>51213839
He was trying to be a hero for once....So likely not.

>>51213842
Ooooohhhhh damn son.

>>51213839
Nah, he needs Cadia to stick unless he wants Abaddon to be the new Emperor and fuck over Chaos.

>>51213843

What the fuck do you think epubs look like?

>>51213843
open the epubs in readium, for chrome

>>51213839
Abaddon destroyed Cadia not the pylons.

>>51213866
That was the first time in a long while that I wasn't terribly disappointed by my non-formation Black Templars.

This Castellans detachment is really feeling good so far.
Is there a single reason why the Champion isn't allowed in the Wrathful Crusade? I get that it's a generic Marshal but every crusade has an Emperor's Champion as well.

>>51213861
>>51213878
Wasn't he just there to kidnap people?

>>51213645
A lone guardsman survived to hold an objective against Chaos Termies for 2 turns.

He got promoted to Sergeant and got a name. Sergeant Willem Hove.

>>51213818
Just going to cite my source for where i found this.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/11/40k-cruddace-speaks.html

>>51213367
CSM aren't shitty right now senpai

>>51213912
No idea. The Wrathful Crusade is a weird mess.

>>51213645
>You mean I can deepstrike four Crisis Suit teams, a Riptide, and a Broadside guaranteed on my second turn?
>One hits a tree and explodes
>Two fall off the board
>One makes it!
>My commander lands on the one that made it and explodes
>My Broadside gets relocated against his edge where he can't shoot at anything, but will get swarmed guaranteed next turn
I no longer run a Retaliation Cadre

>>51213909
all the pylons are dead man

>>51213918
Nope. He went with the intention of playing hero. Taking a torphynof that was just his kleptomania kicking in.

>>51213912
it's probably an oversight by the people who don't even realize you can't charge after you disembark out of rhinos

>>51213921
Fucking sweet! I love stuff like that!

>>51213645
Stared at me from my desk begging to be painted

>>51213938
>placing two (2)
>TWO
>that valuable models in possible "falls off table" range
Jesus, what kind of juicey thing did you want to kill that badly?

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>two weeks wait

>>51213935
I know, I included it for the inevitable CSM whiner. I wish my DE could get something as fluffy as Traitor Legions...

>>51213968
Do you want it fast or cheap?

>>51213645
Sitting in my drawer since my brother visited with his cats on christmas and I had to get my stuff to safety.

>>51213938
And people claim Tau have superior technology. .

>>51213967

This is why I hate playing on tables that are exactly 6 feet or 4 feet wide. Especially if faggots are going to dick around at the edge of the field and literally have rims touching the table edge.

>>51213970
Kabals of the Dark City......................

Codex: Black Templars when again?

It feels dirty being in the same book as these blue pansies.

>>51213912
No idea. It bothers me a lot though.

>>51214020
post your face when roboute guilliman gets the first plastic 40k primarch model

>>51213942
And? I was correcting that Anon.

>>51213982
Por que no los dos

>>51213967
>>51213995
pretty sure when he said "fall off the board" he meant deep strike scattered off the board

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>>51213968

>>51213982
Anon has it right.

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>>51214040

>>51213918
Well sure, but I'm looking at the big picture. His museum is going to get destroyed if Nids or Daemons win. So he needs the Imperium, whether led by the Emperor or Abaddon to stick around until all the Necrons have awakened and/or they've dealt with the Nids.

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>>51213962
D-do it anon.

Been toying around with the idea of a Black Legion Speartip with a Raptor Talon and Slaanesh Daemon allies but I'm wondering if BL is the best choice. Would World Eaters, not necessarily with a Raptor aux, be a better pick? Both seem to have a decent shot at a turn 1 assault.

>>51214050
well, you're wrong, abaddon destroyed many pylons, it's unclear whether his damage caused the pylon to explode or if necrons are the ultimate fatguys and trolled the imperium

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>Haven't gotten a game since Thanksgiving
>Haven't even bothered to put my army back up on display
>Can't even motivate myself to finish the WiP models I have

Kill me.

>>51214020
I know that my lack of faith and zeal is shameful, but I doubt it'll ever happen again.

Honestly, getting formations we can use in FoC was a bittersweet moment, because I have a distinct feeling that it's all we're going to get for another decade.

>>51214052
No esta tu madre

>>51213343
That still doesn't say that they're over codex strength, however. Also, wasn't there a book that came out last year saying that they were 1100 men?

>>51213984
I guess I was lucky with my cat. She never touched my models.

>>51214086
it's ok anon, you almost defended cadia

>>51214086
Why not...just...you know...do it then? Rather than whining on 4chan of all places?

>>51214093
rude
you fixin' to catch this chancla

>>51214040
>mfw the only face I have on my phone is some ragecomic face a friend semt in some whatsapp group and I refuse to post it
>mfw phone posting

>>51214061
Of course. That still doesn't explain why the fuck he'd put his stuff within 12" od the board.

>>51214020
Templars got rolled in with Tau?

>>51213645
Squad of vets with only lasguns put three wounds into a Hive Tyrant in one turn and when it returned fire the 'Nid player rolled all 1s to wound. The Emperor Protects.

>>51213741
they've stated that it was an intentional change to the fluff by internal forces at games workshop to make the black templars 1000 strong, and mentioned it super recently (past month or so) admitting that yes this does break the older fluff but it was the direction they wanted to take it in.

no hate nor hat in any fight. and i was unhappy with it as well

>>51214068
But i have little motivation to even paint them as I have no one to play with and i cant even show off my shitty paint job to /tg/

>>51214096
>Non-consecutive compliant
>Follows codex size restrictions

Pick one.

>>51212354

I need more like the Golden Daemon painting vid, pls

>>51214129
I mean, a gunline army is a gunline army, right? They're prsctically identical.

>>51214092
>be GW
>give mew formation specifically for Black Templars
>need to buy newest box to use it
>need to buy unit from entirely different army as well
>give mediocre rules
>convince BT players to play Scions instead
>squat them
I am not falling for this trap!

>>51214155
same guy

am not either of the people fighting about this like crazy. Just a dude.

>>51214083
Anon the leaks have been out long enough dont spout shit. Abaddon flys the ruins of a Blackstone Fortress into Cadia causing to to crack and explode. Saying the pylons caused it is like shooting a fuel tank and blaming the petrol.

>>51214161
see
>>51214155

>>51214162

There isn't any more because he was killed for leaking trade secrets. Do you want us to die just to relieve your boredom?

>>51214171
um, every single black crusade he blew up pylons

so when you say "abaddon didn't destroy any pylons" you're literally lying

furthermore even in FoC it hints that his attack severely damaged the pylon

you right that he cracked the planet with pieces of the blackstone fortress

>>51214129
Nah I'm certain i know whats going to happen next edition. Codex:Combined Eldar and an elite choice you can bring is BT

>>51213928
I don't doubt he said it. What I doubt is his honesty.

>>51214146
Damn right he does! Well done.

>>51214162

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjjyCPfB_Lk

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Thanks to y'all who put up with my new-hobby autism in trying to get me some skitarii. now, we wait. Good luck, have fun. <3

>>51214206
oh okay i guess posting it for source sake is still a good thing to do tho just in case anyone said he didnt,

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Last shitpost of the night before I run off and actually attempt to do some hobby. How's this look for a 1500pt draft?

>>51214212
Welcome to the fold Anon. Keep up in the general, I wanna see what you end up coming up with.

Also, why the hell are Kataphrons so damn expensive $$$ wise? Aren't they supposed to be troops? Why are they upwards of $50?

>>51214174
Won't buy it until I see it in print and not even then.

Is there any reason why FUCKING EVERYONE is playing Skitarii all of a sudden?

>>51214212

Fucking shitarii get out reeee

>>51214212
Man, gummi-ships have really come a long way.

I wish they'd just slap upgrading to a Crusader squad as part of Black Templar chapter tactics to allow it to happen for any Tactical, Assault or Devastator squad, even if it means at the cost of 1 or 2 points per model. That'd at least allow us to field all Formations while using Crusader rules and would make up for blocking Psykers.

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>>51214040

Deathwatch, I bought the battleforce. How do I list these guys out? I have enough inquisition minis to run an allied inquisitorial detachment too. I don't bother with CC units right?

>>51214241
Cawl.

>>51214261

They should just make a Battle Company where instead of free transports, all Tactical Squads, Assault Squads that have no jump packs, and Devastator Squads get 10 free CCW scouts.

>>51214212
Go find Warhammer TV painting videos. Watch Duncan "Two Thin Coats" Rhodes paint. Learn.

>>51214241
I have no clue, I noticed that as well a couple weeks of generals ago. I guess because the models are really cool looking? That's all I got.

I'm one of them, and thought they were all starting it because I too started them, like God himself telling me not to play the army everyone else is playing, because I love to be contrarian.

>>51214226
>no Cawl

[Angry beeping noises]

>>51214196
>so when you say "abaddon didn't destroy any pylons" you're literally lying
Sick because I didnt say that so nice strawman/reading comprehension.

>you right that he cracked the planet with pieces of the blackstone fortress
Yeah I am right and thats my point. Go be wrong somewhere else.

>>51214291
>trying to be a contrarian
>playing ANY Armies of the Imperium that's not SoB or Inquisition

Too late.

>>51214284
Also allow CCWs on them (or at least Tacticals) like in the Space Sharks rules.

>>51214241
I was going to play them as my first army, but I got scared at how super detailed they are and went with Chaos Space Marines.

>>51214300
>too late, CONFORMIST IMPERIAL DOG!!!

>>51214261
I could get behind adding Neophytes to Black Templar Devs. It would give them some more point-efficient meatshields.

>>51214294
It'll probably break at some point, but I hold to the 'bring power units/power formations to a powergame fight, play for fun otherwise'.

>>51214300
I was Tyranids first, then Orks, then Grey Knights. It's like I'm fighting a losing battle against Games Workshop.

>>51214300
Not that anon but I play Sisters. Though now putting Celestine on the table makes me feel like a dick.

>>51214314

People think space marines are the easiest army for beginners to paint, but as thousands of photos of poorly painted marines show, painting large flat surfaces is actually quite difficult.

The easiest to paint armies are actually ones like Necrons or Skitarii, who have lot of detail but it's detail that can be completely covered in metal and then given a wash.

>>51214198
>Codex: Eldar
>sub sections for Commorites, Harlequins Exodites
>sub sections for craftworlds
>sub sections for black templar
>the black templar are a BITCH chapter of space marines who are slaves to the eldar

>>51214330
Celestine used to be OP, now she is again.

Anyone else like playing mid-teir or non-meta armies?

>>51214325
>It's like I'm fighting a losing battle against Games Workshop.

Play WHFB :^)

>>51214324
I was more thinking along the lines of straight replacing any infantry in non-terminator armor with Crusader squads, but I guss that could also work and once and for all break Skyhammer beyond repair.

>>51214330
Just think of her as a reward for staying faithful in your army. It's not like you started Sisters just to field her.

>>51214330
Funny, I doubt any scummy Tau player feels like this when they drop their 3 Riptides.

>buhh buhh its not MY fault they're undercosted and overpowered, that's how GW wrote them

>>51214349
Considering there's only a handful of actually high-tier armies, that's most of the players here likely.

>>51214357
Used to. Ogres, then Empire.

Make the hurting stop.

>>51214335
I have discovered I hate painting them. Which is a shame because I like the faction.

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>>51214040
templars btfo

>>51214349

Meta armies are boring as shit, so pretty much. Most people enjoy non-netlist armies unless the netlist is something extremely funky and will be fun just because of sheer absurdity from the repetition, like an all bike army, or all knights, or Green Tide.

>>51214364
Ah, so you meant just allow Crusader squads to be taken in place of any of those in formations? That makes a bit more sense.

I think reserving it for Tacticals would be fine though. That's really all they need to clarify.

>>51214297
>sick because I didn't say
>>51213909
>Abaddon destroyed Cadia not the pylons.

>abaddon destroyed cadia
>not the pylons

>not the pylons

>pylons

>as in plural

you're so wrong it's so sad

>>51213645
My squad of Zoanthropes picked a fight with some Skitarii Rangers to not be shot by some grav-cannon bullshit Admech Destroyers. It was a cripple fight that lasted the rest of the game where no one killed anything! It was great, It forced the Rangers off an objective and let me win the game.

>>51214349
I play Tau without any Riptides or Stormsurges
My Broadsides use railguns

>>51214370
>It's not like you started Sisters just to field her.
>implying

I guarantee you a decent chunk of SoB players started because of Celestine. This used to happen a lot due to WHFB herohammer and strong ICs with unique models in older 40k editions. You have people playing Vampire Counts who don't care about skeletons, they only like the powerful knights and vampires on dragons.

>>51214370
True. I started the army to put missile organ tanks on the table.

>>51214371
I always feel like a dick if I am running obvious cheesedickery.

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Alright, I just got this stuff today, and I know I need anti-armor, but what else do I need/should get?

>>51214393
I've secretly always wanted to play Tau because I fucking love giant robots, but hate that nearly every edition they get buffed or get some power unit that breaks them to being un-fun.

>>51214404
>tfw I only played them for the skeletons

>>51214404
I did this but for Dreadnoughts

>>51214393

Yeah but how many XV8 suits do you have SHAS'FAGGO

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Jes has aged quite a bit in the recent years

>>51213938
>not running wall of mirrors and giving stealth suit sgts homing beacons
>not running any homing beacons at all
wat

>>51214240
While i understand the reticence and frustration. making a statement of not even then sounds crazy to everyone else. it rejects reason.

>>51214390
So youre retarded lmao. Sick reading comprehension brother. Go read the post I was replying to, I want to see if you can get it yourself before I have to explain it to you.

>>51214426
Jes sounds like a Guy Richie character.

>>51214241

I always loved AdMech since I was up to snuff on 40k lore, but lamented that there were only crappy metal tech-priest and servitor models.

Then fucking Skitarii came out and they were everything I hoped Skitarii would be and then some, with some dope-ass baroque shit and solid rules. So I got back into 40k after having abandoned my Tau at 6e and took up a Skitarii Kill Team.

>>51214404
The anon was right though. When I started with Sisters Celestine was 200 point and not worth taking. I started for the Exorcist tank.

>>51214020
>yfw 40k gets AoS'd and everyone gets rolled into Grand Alliances

Gud Guys(TM):

>Imperium
>All the Eldar
>FSE
>Trazyn

Chaos:

>CSM
>Daemons

Xenos:

>Necrons
>Tau
>Kroot codex when?

Destruction:

>Orks
>Tyranids
>GSC
>aka the garbage bin

Everyone knows people play SoB to field Karamazov.

>>51214386
Well, in terms of fluff and to an extent rules, Crusaders replace all marine choices.

They could give varrying benefits depending on what they replace.
Tacticals: nothing of note, same rules as now
Assault: allow jumppack, only allow power weapon in heavy weapon slot
Devastator: don't allow special or power weapons, allow up to 4 heavy weapons

Also all can take Neophytes.

I'd also say give them all ObSec if troops have it, but sadly Jumppacks would break that.

>>51214460
I still need his model for the lulz.

>>51214349
>GK
At this point I only like them for the fluff and models. Tabletop rules leave much to be desired

>Tau
Yeah, I own a Stormsurge, but it only sees play in games over 2k. My single Riptide only sees play in games over 1250. And I only own 6 XV8's. They were the first army I threw dice with, but I ended up picking GK as my first army.

>Dark Eldar
Love the fluff, love the models, and fun on the board even if I get blown the fuck away. I did manage to win against Decuricrons using a Corsair+DE list, though.

And all of them are mostly painted. I'm working through the DE and I have some new purchases for Tau I haven't gotten around to painting except for basecoat.

>>51214475
You're garbage
Your opinions are shit
Never contribute again
For everyone is now dumber for reading your post
You know nothing of Black Templars
You are a fucking disgrace
Please
No

>>51214475
I should add that this is with each one costing 15 or 16 to field rather than 14 points.

>>51214475
Replace ObjSec with the "may rally towards the enemy if you fail a morale check".

>>51214433
>insult someone's reading comprehension
>don't even know what you said yourself
never change tg

>>51214451

Grand Alliance of Order:
- Armies of the Imperium
- Craftworld Eldar
- Tau Empire

Grand Alliance of Chaos
- Renegades and Heretics
- Daemonkin
- Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Daemons

Grand Order of Death:
- Necrons
- Dark Eldar
- Tyranids

Grand Order of Destruction:
- Orks
- Eldar Corsairs
- Genestealer Cults

>>51214020
Your a dirty anon arent you? Why dont you take those big throbbing special rules like the big anon you are

>>51214493
>GK
I never witnessed them being cheesy. Probably because Sister murder Marines pretty good.

>>51214020

Tau are in Codex: Space marines?

>>51214514
All the Eldar are already confirmed working together in one faction with the Imps.

Can someone explain how grenades work?
Are they only used in assault phase, can they be used in assault? Can a model shoot and chuck a grenade?

>>51214440
My reasoning for starting Skitarii is a bit bizarre but hear me out.

>came back to 40k after a long hiatus
>think about what armies I thought were really cool, start to make a list
>Goes to Imperial Guard, to Militarum Tempestus, to Pure Inquisition, to Sisters of Battle, to finally Skitarii

Basically, I wanted to run a MY DUDES army, without being nearly forced to field a hordey army. So IG zipped away. Tempestus suck as a main army, so I considered them as allies since I still love the army.

So then I go to my old joy, the Inquisition, but not Grey Knights. Regular dudes. Only, really, it's about as uphill as playing Orks was. So no, there. So what's close? Well Sisters are like Tempestus with better armor and still Inquisition. I was even on the way to make my own Sisters army out of converted Dark Eldar and shit. I was hype. Then...

>plastic Sisters hype

Killed my drive completely.

So I look around and what do you know, I had no clue that Admech was even released. Super Scifi? Quirky rules? Awesome minis? I was sold immediately.

I know no one cares, but I wanted to type it anyway.

>>51214507
That should just be the Emperor's Champion's Warlord trait or rolled into Chapter Tactics.

>>51214537
The rulebook section on grenades lays most of that out pretty clearly.

>>51214020

How dare you insult the Crimson Fists like that? They too are proud sons of Dorn!

>>51214537
It's explained in the rulebook.

>>51214509
Ok sad I have to explain it to you.

>Did trollzyn trick the imperium into blowing up cadia on purpose?
Post implys the Pylons destroyed Cadia.

>Abaddon destroyed Cadia not the pylons.
No the pylons didnt destroy Cadia Abaddon did.

Then you arrive ;^)

Nice work Anon, nice work.

>>51214542
Forgot to mention that I would have really liked to play Necrons, but there's literally no chance of MY DUDES in a fucking near mindless skeleton army. Fucking sucks, man.

>>51214528
I started collecting them at the tail end of their 5th codex, so I never got to play with the "cheese" codex they had. When 7th codex dropped I had a Purgation Squad, a Dreadknight, a Terminator Squad, and Coteaz.

>>51214564
>he doesn't know about Newcrons

>>51214547
BT crusade bonus would be good too.

Could bring back the vows that way and have you roll for which one you use (or you pick one each game).

>>51214554
But brother, the Crimson Fists are lapis in color and crimson in zeal and heart. They are no ordinary "blue".

>>51214554
The BT's cousins with a dusting fetish.

Well at least they aren't furries like the Celestial Lions.

>>51214404
I guess I just figured (hoped?) people picked their armies based on aesthetics rather than just for rules. I bought the new Celestine because I like angelic figures. Heck I probably won't ever field her.

>>51214584
They could, if they're lazy, copy-paste the Ultramarine doctrines and change their names and effects to fit the old vows.

>>51214583
Nah man, I know about them. But you can't really give an army made of emotionless metal any kind of personality or character. I know, the heroes and characters have some, but that's not exactly the deal, you know? Plus, the paintjob would be godawful simple. No details at all. Makes me mad.

>>51213445
>>51213470
>>51213517
>>51213540
>>51213606
>>51213724
well shit

I am short one right hand slugga

>>51214611
>Dusting
Should be "fisting".

Fuck mobile posting.

>>51214630
Make one out of a Boy Shoota cut down. You're playing Orks. You're about the only army that can get away with slapping shit together and making it work.

>>51214564
You could totally do 'My dudes' Necrons. That's the whole reason GW made them space Egyptians and gave them all wacky personalities in the first place.

You could easily justify it by saying that the Tomb World had some special quality that resulted in a larger percentage of the Necrons retaining their minds and personalities, rather than just the lords. You could have the Necrons still without memory or personality, but with some level of concience, the Tomb World having each person chisel a letter to themselves in a stone slab, meaning the robots are operating based on a vague message from their past life. You could even do something weird and have the Lord be bored with his bland servants and decide to steal the minds from living organisms and imprint them on his servants to make them a bit more lively.

Tons of ways to 'Cron

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>>51214627

Well, they do have personality.

Also, a simplistic paintjob can be made more complex through patterns as well as effects. Cracked paint, rust/corrosion, or other kinds of texture can make them more interesting.

Starting a necron army. I picked up a few armored assault boxes. Should I build them as Ghost Arks or Doomsday arks?

>>51214645
I don't have any boyz. These are literally my first orks.

since I have 5 klaws and I am only planning to use four, maybe one will just have two klaws. That seems propa orky.

>>51214659
Ghost Arks, don't want your Skellies footslogging, they're a slow bunch.

Maybe I should build an army of boxes...

Actually can you make an unbound army of only fortifications without being tabled? I'm not up to snuff on those rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbY33Xp5yM

I really hope they do more of these. I could listen to jes ramble about miniatures for hours.

>>51214673
shit that won't work, since with two right hand pistols and one right claw that is still only three right hands

>>51214659
Pretty sure theres a way to magnetize the Doomsday gun into the ghost arc. Sure the ribs(?) are upside down but its fine.

>>51214647
That's fair and all. I was more talking model wise, though, and fluff wise. I picked Imperium/Omnissiah because they have something to fight for. The Necrons just kinda want to be dicks. Trazyn seems the only cool one.

>>51214656
I gotcha, but do you understand what I mean with lack of detail? They're just all metal skeletons, for the most part. Or some variety thereof.

>>51214673
Well, if you're a stickler for coherency, they're probably pretty cheap on eBay.

>>51214627
You can do detailed paintjobs if you like. Look up the Nihilakh Dynasty for an example of an official one with some weirdness to it.

As >>51214656 pointed out, rust texture, overgrown vines, mud, or other things can add to it as well.

Plus, even if you do go for mindless robots, that doesn't mean they have to lack personality. Say they were buried with trophies or items from their past life (typical egyptian thing to do). Give some of them ancestral weapons to carry, or banners that have some meaning that's lost on them.

Don't treat it as an army of mindless robots. Remember that whatever they are now, they used to be a living world with a culture and a people.

>>51214709
They had Jes on the wednesday stream on the 4th. He'd have really liked to do more Haemonculi stuff apparently.

>>51214703

You need at least one non-fortification unit on the table to not lose.

>>51214732
Okedoke, will do, but that ship as sailed. Necrons were the army I wanted to play first, back when I started many years ago, but I never did.

>>51214754
Crap.

No army of shipping crates then.

>>51214410
What Chapter Tactics are you running? I'm assuming you're going to give your Captain and Command Squad more than just base wargear, right?

Anyways, as a general rule transports are nice. A Rhino or Drop Pod for the Tactical Squad would do nicely.

>>51214743

Fuck Haemonculi we already got that shit last time if you're going to do more stupid DE shit that nobody buys at least make it real kabaalite shit

Gangs of Commoragh is a good start

>>51214774
Yeah last time, he wishes they had more time to do Haemonculi.

He considers the DEldar army pretty complete minus characters he'd like to get back.

>>51214774
Focus on the arena (Reavers, Wyches. Beast masters, ECT).

>>51214797
Oh yeah that was another one, the Beast masters and their animals.

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I'm picking up a dozen or two of these guys, but what's a good way to use them when I only play a loyalist chapter?

Space Wolf Fenrisian Wolf allies?
Come the Apocalypse Khorne Flesh Hound allies?
Start a cool World Eater/KDK army and paint them in cool 30k colors like white/red?

>>51214838
>white skin covered-in-blood flesh hounds

FUND IT

>>51214789
when will they add wyches back in with a supplement?

>How to fix Tau:
>Stop pushing new stuff into the Tau themselves
>Add in more alien races to act as the stuff Tau is missing.
>Make Vespid and Kroot less shit
>Replace Riptides with large alien beasts that are ridden Lizardman style

>>51213716
don't buy the paints set. get some Duncan videos or guides and buy those specific paints. don't buy the cutting mat, grab a kitchen cutting slab for pennies at the pound store. hell go there first and checkout their tools, they might have a hobby knife. also grab some paper nail files for cleaning up mould lines. also buy materials for a wet palette (sponge, tp, plastic container with lid, baking paper)

I would get the DV from eBay for no more then 10pounds from some chump gutting dark vengeance bosses.

not sure how much the complete army painter hobby set is, but you can bet your ass it doesn't contain all paints u want.

also get some basing paint. GW does a great admech sand one or grab Vallejo alternative.

basically 125pounds should get you more

So with the talk about Necrons going on I wonder if you guys could tell me if the Crons start collecting box and reclamation legion deals are worth it? Together they're 1500 points but I have no idea if the deals worth it/any good.

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>>51214874
And heres the list cause I fucked up ;^)

>>51214863
>Kroot get a codex before Orks
>They become better than Orks in every way
Turns out the Kroot ate too many Orks and are also I2

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>>51214895
>I2

>>51214863
>implying GW would ever do stuff that's good for the game if it means less money

>>51214932
Eh, I only see more money by adding in all those other aliens. Like the Psyker worms.

>>51214789
All they're really missing is the finecast stuff. I'm still bummed they didn't do plastic incubi.

>>51214964
I would murder for plastic incubi...They would look SOOOOO good next to a plastic Drazhar.

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What do y'all think of my 1k list? 200 points reserved for Celestine, using the Castellans formation.

>>51214986
>to a plastic Drazhar
That's not how you write new Vect.

>>51215019
>The Tryant

>>51214986
I mean there's that, but also the fact that the metal ones are a pain in the ass and the finecast ones probably aren't any better.

They're also a unit where the five man box isn't a problem, since you don't really need extra bits or extra bodies.

>>51215001
Take out the mortars and missiles and replace them with autocannons and lascannons respectively.
I would probably change out the punisher for an executioner but thats just preference.

> Are you excpecting to face hordes?
Just throw celestine at them and stop them for the game
> Its kinda a dick move to bring her at 1000pts though

>>51214709

Am I the only one pissed that I cant watch the vods without giving them money?

Is the gamingfigures site a good place to order some warhammer 40k and other kinds of figures from?
Or does /tg/ have any preferred stores they purchase their crap from?

>>51215133
If UK - Dark Sphere or Wayland

>>51213645
My dudes had their (and my) first ever battle the other week

My 3 firewarrior squads failed to kill some big chaos (night lords?) daemon that I forgot the name of, which immediately failed 2 dangerous terrain checks and died to a tree. tree was appropriately commended and subsequently joined the greater good. He will serve well as a riptide base when I get one.
also my ethereal assaulted his chaos lord and tied.

>>51215001

You need two HQs

>>51215121
I don't really mind it, so long as they keep putting free content up as well.

Newfag here, the wording in the rulebook is hard for me to comprehend
Are non-hover Flyers ALWAYS zooming when they move, since they have to move at least 18" each turn to avoid wrecking and zoom is when you move 18" or more?

>>51215219
He said he reserved one for Celly.

>>51215268

whoops

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Triumvirate box is a clock.

1. Who are these guys?

2. What's the other 3 parts?

>>51215192
I should of mentioned that I live in the US

>>51215289

Probably the 12 high lords of terra.

>>51215289

It's an astrolabe, sort of like a sextant for the warp. I think Navigators can use them intuitively, everyone else has little idea how they work. The pictures might correspond to the High Lords, or possibly figures of myth that allude to deeper meaning, and possibly even imagines from the Emperor's Tarot itself.

>>51215289
elf triumvirate of eldar
spikey triumvirate of chaos
triumvirate of ultramar

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>Want to start a cool Tzeentch daemon army now
>Already got Nurgle AoS and Necrons planned and paid for
Fucks sake, i'll never be satisfied

>>51215328
Too bad theres still no easy way to buy them.

>>51215351
Tzeentch daemons are too hampered by their formations requiring 9 units because of magic number retardation.

>mfw building for the first time
>mould lines everywhere
This is hell, guys.

>>51215377
No, hell is finding a line that you missed.

>>51214547
That wouldn't work, because the Emp's Champ is Fearless. That warlord trait should have been regardless of moralechecks. Make them run forward for being shot. Make it a choice though so you don't have the old codex problem of not being able to hold and objective.

>>51215351
tzeentch daemons are obnoxious as fuck because of how tied to the psychic phase they are

>>51214769
I'm not sure really, probably iron hands or imperial fists. Most of them came preassembled with the exception of 2 termies, 4 of the command squad vets didn't have bolters on them, and the tactical sarge has his fist off, so I could change that.

There's probably going to be a Chaos Triumvirate and an Astartes Triumvirate in addition to the rumored elf one.

Are the other factions going to get anything at all?

>in b4 NPC races

>>51213343
>>51214096
>>51214155

see

>>51215131
>>51215131
>>51215131

Stop falling to trolls. Him saying that they follow the codex is false.

The fact that they are around 1100 more or less isn't. Unless you find a new source saying they are much larger than that then you are shit out of luck.

>>51215391
How can you say something like that

>>51215355
They're getting released next week in their own boxes.

>>51215391
After you finished painting.

>>51215508
I've still seen no proof of that but I'd like to believe it.

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What army lets me stroke my Gundam boner

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>>51215540
What else could this mean?

>>51215413
Personally I'd love Chaos to get a Pentumvirate? With Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Typhus and Lucius.

>>51215560
>>51215540

Might be 2 weeks from now, but definitely coming.

>>51215560
Huh. Well thanks and heres hoping then Anon. If theres a good box/ start collecting set I might start up a second army of them as the now LoC and fatey look amazing IMO.

>>51215559
AdMech or Tau.

>>51215559
Imperial Guard.
No, outside of literally having mechs, Tau is pretty fucking far from Gundam.

>>51215559
Going from that picture, Ad Mech.

>>51215207
dude, stop reading /TG/ and keep up the spirit you have. commending trees and having a great time is what it should be about. too much salt here. 10/10 wish I could enjoy 40k this much again

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>>51215559
orks

>>51215559
tau, but they're more heavy gear than gundam

>>51215414
Anyone want to take a guess why GW made them barely above Codex limits?

I honestly don't understand why. It didn't affect the game in any way, and in regards to lore the Templars weren't too unified due to the different Crusades being all over the place, so Templars steam-rolling enemies due to their larger number would be easy to write around.

It's such a weird decision to make out of the blue, completely pointless and only serves to irritate an already alienated section of the playerbase.

>>51214418
Mah fuckin' anon. I just scored about $600 of skeletons and grave guard on ebay for like $120. Bones up in this bitch for weeks.

>>51215685
Honestly, I have no idea, but the Templars having such retardedly huge numbers never made sense to me. Ligft Huron and his pals were declared traitors for not paying their taxes and having too much marines. Heck, iirc, other chapters get the eye of the =][= on them if they seem to have too much marines.

>>51215734
They didn't have to have a ridiculous number of guys, hell make them 2,000-2,500 in number and say that their ridiculous zeal and loyalty to the Imperium, in addition to their good standing with the Ecclesiarchy causes the Inquisition to somewhat overlook their breach of protocol.

Only 200 above the limit begs the question of "what's the fucking point, then?"

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blargh I've been cleaning bits for two hours, with still likely another two hours to go. So tempted to do full builds and not sub assemblies just to be done with it, but I know that is going down the badwrong path.

one of the gits will have two power klaws because he is ded killy. Another will have a choppa instead of a slugga maybe. Also still considering a second big choppa.

>>51215696
Welcome to The Bone Zone™

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What did the Men of Iron look like, /tg/?

Anyone actually read First and Only and can give a description?

>>51215791
Even then, that's a huge number for a single chapter, and the =][= and the Ecclisiarchy don't always get along. Plus, I prefer their original fluff of them hating the Ecclisiarchy and the SoB for worshipping the Emperor 'Wrong'.

What they should have done was split up the Templars into 3-4 seperate chapters, and say the High Lords said 'Split or you're traitors.' Sort of situation. Would have worked better than a straight up retcon and pleased the fans better.

>>51215585
>>51215594
>>51215674
Not him, but Gundam is about
>Brutal, near-genocidal war that leaves you with only fresh conscripts or veteran aces that can survive the onslaught
>Dirty underhanded fighting with unjust deaths that challenge troop morale daily
>Forcing orphans and conscripts to fight in someone else's war
>Constant battling, with new interplanetary or civil wars sprouting up every other month
>Overabundance of bureaucracy and political in-fighting, with morals consistently staying in a gray zone
>Heavy corruption on both sides artificially prolongs wars as politicians and commanders stab each other in the back in a vie for power and revenge
>Generational war overlapped on top of this as Newtype spacehumans are feared and oppressed by Oldtypes
Now which faction does this best describe?
Is it the peaceful space empire where everyone works together for a greater good?
Is it the group of cyborgs that only care about finding robots on some desert planet?

The fact that the Black Templars worship the Emperor means they're now the red-headed stepchild of the Imperial Fists family.

>>51215791
Yeah. 1200 is probably what most full-strength chapters are technically near, when you consider that things like Honor Guard, Librarians, and the marine operators of tanks and aircraft don't actually count against the total.

Unless by 1200 marines they mean to imply that the Black Templars just have 3000 Neophytes/Scouts, but that seems less likely.

>>51214370
I started sisters just so that i could field celestine, after all she adds 3 points to the faith pool all on her own

>>51215861
That is definitely Imperial Guard 100%.

Literally Imperial Guard.

No wonder it's the number one army in Japan.

>>51215861
>Is it the peaceful space empire where everyone works together for a greater good?
It's not very peaceful, though. And "the greater good" is just a slogan, rather than any kind of actual good.

Remember the fire caste is a subset of the population literally conscripted from birth, with no choice on what they do beyond get shoved into the meat grinder with a pulse rifle and a prayer.

>>51215862
Hilariously, it's addressed in The Beast series, where a CSM Iron Warrior mocks his old friend who's now a BT Dreadnought for doing the very same thing that started the Horus Heresy.

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>>51215861
>>51215895

Agree. Why sticking to Tau and Admech when he can play glorious Imperial Guard supported by some Imperial Knight for the giant mech side of the thing.

>>51215914
Throw in a bunch of Sentinels if you want to go full mecha.

>>51215838
Weren't they technically staying within the letter (but not spirit) of the rules by eternally crusading?

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>>51215928
Zeon is also know for fielding some tanks, it's not even as if he had to go full mech.

>>51215734
The thing is that the Black Templar were kind of following the Codex's mandatory size limit. There was an exception for crusading chapters, and so Sigismund said "fuck all the suggestions about organization, we're an active crusade for 10,000 years. Let's go fuck shit up right and proper."

Now it's just, "h-hey guys, we just have fighting companies of like 20 marines."

Crusades being 300 men each is retarded, as these three or more massive fleets flying in 3 seperate corners of the galaxy fighting whatever suites their zeal filled fancy. They have keeps all over for recruitment, and they pick up neophytes by the dozen on each to ready for training.

I honestly hate the whole 1k chapter size, because that's just a tiny ass number no matter how you look at it. Especially when only like 300 marines are ever really deployed at a time. How in the fuck does a single tactical squad pacify a whole planet, let alone a hive city?

>>51215929
No, because that is %100 fanon. There is NO crusading chapter exception, as well as the BT's never following the codex in the first place.

>>51215862
I don't mind that fluff change like a lot of Templar players seem to. It suits the chapter (they're already super zealous Teutonic knights IN SPACE, I don't see how actually worshipping the Emperor changes much). I mean, I suppose I can see why someone would be upset if they was really into the atheism aspect of the early Imperium, and named one of their Sword Brethren "brother Dawkins" or something.

Does the IoM automate a lot of their production? i wouldn't see them doing it because of fear another Men of Iron uprising. But wouldn't it help them crank out more weapons and vehicles into the never ending war grinding machine.

>>51215809
Never EVER equip a model with a weapon he doesn't have. What You See Is What You Get is the primary rule of building stuff. If you dont have the proper bits, get them. Don't go halfass.

>>51215981
They have automated stuff, what do you think servitors are for?

But it depends on planet and society.

>>51215815
Gosh I mean I read it but I don't remember the description at all. If you really want me to I can find the excerpt.

>>51215948
They weren't though, and there was never an exception for crusading chapters. Sigismund just never cared about the codex in the first place.

>>51215289
IXX?
As in the nineteenth primarch?
Holy fuck guys, that is Corvus motherfucking Corax right there

>>51215946
>Zeon is also know for fielding some tanks
Zeon started the war with the Zaku II.
The Federation only developed their own mobile suits ten months into the One Year War.
Meaning they were combating Zakus with nothing but tanks, planes, and bazookas. At first through sheer numbers since the Earth sphere had a huge resource advantage, then later on through guerilla tactics once raw attrition, a fucking colony drop, chemical weapons, and the sheer viability of the Zaku brought them down several pegs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgPt1730Ls
This was pretty much the entirety of the war, until the ESFS got their shit together and Zeon decided to start killing themselves in the last month.

>>51216059
Even better. Point is, having 300 dudes on a crusade is retarded. That would have meant that Armageddon was all three crusade fleets known pulled into one spot from across the galaxy.

>>51215948
>How in the fuck does a single tactical squad pacify a whole planet, let alone a hive city?

Plot armour?

According to the fluff, they have to strike at the right place. Hitting an important manufactorum, the Planetary Governor's palace, a crucial space station, etc. As the tabletop (and those Dawn of War videos) shows, they're torn apart the minute they get caught up in a protracted fight.