<3 We love you, Poots <3 - Special tribute edition Kingdom

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1st for Poots

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Threadly reminder that $777 pledge is truly patrician tier.

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1666 and comfy

Thank you for making my Flower Witch wish a reality Poots, you are my hero.

soooooo i only got a BFGL but pledged for $800 cause i wanted some new expansions and some old

how stupid was i not to just pick up a second face when they were available and to get old shit at another time?

really kicking myself

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OP made me smile.

Just wanted to say I am truly hype for my copy this summer. Thanks for a great game, Poots!

>>51134699
Find out for yourself
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1685860/kickstarter-cost-analysis-update-46-home-stretch

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>>51134309
Thanks for a fun-filled, adrenaline pumping campaign, Poots! There were plenty of unexpected updates, and you didn't disappoint at all with Sparrow King (nor the stupid sexy pinups).

12 million was wholly impressive, and I wish you and your team all the success in the world. Here's to five more years!!

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I can not wait for the Lotus monsters to be made into models.
Really curious how they'll turn out.
See image related.

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Do more private demos at Gallery Forty Two Poots.

>>51134761
.....fucking kill me know

>>51134826
I feel like the abyssal woods reveal was staggering in the amount of content it proposed and solid designs it brought us.

anxious to see the sculpts myself

>>51134826
I love that art but I have to admit I'm curious to see what the solitary "Luna" encounter monster is like.

>>51134888
The moth like sketch is likely the luna, as in "Luna Moth"

Do you think Poots likes Kill 6 Billion Demons?

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>>51134933
>>51134888
the sketch has some really nice hidden details in it, I went ahead and tweaked it so it's easier to see.

I love the creepy ID4 alien hands, but not sure if they're gone for good.

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>>51134309
I'm really excited for the changes to cooking and gathering

It's been said plenty of times now, but if Poots makes a feast like this a reality in KD:M I will be one fat and happy customer.


Also, here's look at you, Poots.

>>51134888
It's an /mlp/ reference to reformed villain with social skills Princess Luna. She inhabits a dreams forest

>>51134938
Now THAT would be a great crossover miniature and actually make sense

>>51135016
Is that KDM's elf?

>>51135567
No, the elf looks like an elf and is a crossover with Paizo. Also that anon's amazon cow that got turned into a mini.

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Thomas David put up a blog post with HD pics of the Dragon Goblin with more angles.

Fucking hell this thing is ridiculous. I love it.

http://art.thomasdavid.over-blog.com/2017/01/kingdom-death-the-dragon-goblin.html

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>>51135694

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>>51135714

>>51135694

What'S the thematic point of it containing all these elements of KDM's most popular monsters?

Can't say I am a huge fan of the sleeves on its upper arms.

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>>51135730
Guess what?
Chicken butt.

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>>51135758

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>>51135733
on the contrary it fits the flavor perfectly

>constructs a costume out of the finest silks and bones in order to assume the mantle of the Goblin himself

I kinda wish they had more photos of it that aren't monochrome'd out

>>51135694
I just love his mask/face

>>51135844
If I had Flower Knight and Spidicules, would I be able to play the AB campaign?

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>>51135844
>http://art.thomasdavid.over-blog.com/2017/01/kingdom-death-the-dragon-goblin.html
Oh, derp, it was near the bottom

>>51135844

It's the flower knights sleeve you know.
So I got the point, I just don't find it very pleasing aesthetically.

>>51135909
Looks like the dragon-god is saying "do you even lift, bro?" to the sparrow king.

>>51135907
That's what the update said, those 2 were required.

>>51135996
Should I get Dragon King or Abyssal Woods?

>>51134542
That's not him, is he?

>>51135909
Would look baller with them rising to their hind legs to their full height and spreading their wings.

>>51134309
Alright I tried asking this before but no one responded in a previous thread.

Where do I get my hands on the basic game? Where is there like a detailed explanation of what all the different expansions and things are? How much of it is already out and how much is on kickstarter?

>>51136018
Abyssal Woods seems to give you a lot more content, but no one can tell you if it is worth it or not. Dragon King is tried, tested, and true by many to be a good expansion, and you will recieve it much sooner than the Abyssal Woods expansion. So... it depends.

Ladies..let this be a lesson. Support your man. Support his passion. Even if that passion is a board game about busy women fighting penis monsters. Cuz yo man might make 10 million dollars on it someday. Y's ll don't know.

>>51136018
Yes.

I mean, seriously, we really can't help. Abyssal Woods looks cool as shit, but in the end it's an unknown quantity. For all we know it'll turn out to be total shit. And on top of that it'll be delivered almost 2 years after the Dragon King gets delivered.

Go with your gut. Abyssal Woods looks like an enormous deal, but a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

>>51136021
No, just some faggot from reddit.

>>51136018
I don't know, we don't know how good the Abyssal Woods will be, but it is like 2/3rds of a Core box campaign on its own, so value for money is insane on it. Dragon costs like half.

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>mask almost confirmed for being swappable

YES

yeeeessss

Thank you, Pootle. Grant me an ultra creep face and I will be yours.

So far looks exactly like a sparrow skull, with a blunted beak

>>51136046
The core game and all the current expansions are sold out, so if you want the game NOW you have to face the scalpers. Otherwise you have to wait till the end of the year before you can get your hands on the core game again, once every single copy has been produced, shipped to backers, and then restocked on the online store.

>>51136048
*busty
*you all

>>51136075
Jesus christ. That's a long fucking wait for a product that's already been released just to go back in stock.

What about the expansion guide? If I'm going to drop money on this thing I want to be able to read up in detail on what each of them offer.

>>51135549
It's why I asked. Abbadon has similar tastes to Poots, albeit less phallic parts.

>>51136018

Dragon king is a known quantity and good purchase.

I am personally getting AW just because it comes with a FUCKTON of content. Dragon king is like 1 normal hunt and a campaign. AW is like 3 or 4 hunts, 2 encounters, several nemesis fights, and a campaign.

>>51136046

Game is not currently available except through scalpers. Best bet is to wait for the Black Friday sale from Poots. You can find a breakdown of each (old) xpack on BGG. If you're interested in the new ones you have to check the KS.

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>>51136021
No

this is him


>>51134309

Your passion and creativity know no bounds, Poots. I am very happy for you; because you have the privilege to see your dream stand before you. A privilege, but not one undeserved. You have worked your ass off, and it shows.

Congrats to you and keep on being awesome as hell.

>>51136054
I want him. We could play.

>>51136118
It's crazy expensive to produce because of all the paper assets, and he needs to have 25,000 copies produced. Then the shipping from China can be anything from one to three months. Nothing he can do about the logistics.

https://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/expansions

>>51136067
SMASHING

>>51136161
>25,000
I'd add another 10k to that, he needs to stock his webstore and have something to sell at cons.

>>51136225
10,000 copies were in production before the Kickstarter started and was slated to ship to backers this summer, but due to the huge interest he is adding 15,000 more. That adds a or a few months of delay.

>>51136161
Okay cool, so there are 6 expansions currently in existence and everything else is Kickstarter.

Few more questions, sorry I just hate the disorganized mess that is the KS website and people in this thread seem to be pretty knowledgeable:

When does the Kickstarter end?

How much is it gonna hurt my wallet for the core game and like, 2 expansions?

How fun is the actual game to play, just crunchwise, ignoring the value of the gorgeous model sculpts?

>>51136280
Six? Try 12

>>51136259
Wait, so when are we getting the core game?

>>51136280
>When does the Kickstarter end?

It ended on Saturday

>How much is it gonna hurt my wallet for the core game and like, 2 expansions?

At KS prices, that would clock in at roughly $350 depending on expansion choice and if you passed up the Gambler Chest.

>How fun is the actual game to play, just crunchwise, ignoring the value of the gorgeous model sculpts?

Every review I've ever read has been incredibly positive. Look up 'Diary of Death' on Techland and read their review/fight journals

>>51136280
KS is soon, better pledge fast

>>51136280
>How fun is the actual game to play, just crunchwise, ignoring the value of the gorgeous model sculpts?
Seems pretty fun. there's videos on youtube of people playing it if you want an idea of whether or not it's for you.

>>51136280
>Okay cool, so there are 6 expansions currently in existence and everything else is Kickstarter.
12.

>Few more questions, sorry I just hate the disorganized mess that is the KS website and people in this thread seem to be pretty knowledgeable:
There are plenty of guides outside of the KS. Try Boardgamegeek. There are good posts there.

>When does the Kickstarter end?
It already did.

>How much is it gonna hurt my wallet for the core game and like, 2 expansions?
In post KS rates? ~$500.

>How fun is the actual game to play, just crunchwise, ignoring the value of the gorgeous model sculpts?
I've only played it as a solo experience (on TTS) and it's up there with Mage Knight and COIN games in that arena. I have high hopes for it as a coop experience.

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>>51136298
June, I believe.

>>51136353
Oh okay that's what I thought. Was worried for a minute there.

>>51136296
I see six expansions listed on the website that was linked to me.
- Lion God
- Lonely Tree
- Manhunter
- Slenderman
- Spidicules
- Sunstalker


>>51136308
>It ended on Saturday
Well fuck.

>At KS prices, that would clock in at roughly $350 depending on expansion choice and if you passed up the Gambler Chest.
So I assume retail, which I'm going to have to wait for if KS is over, will run me even higher? That's a huge premium for a boardgame... but the big monster models do seem worth it I can't lie.

>Every review I've ever read has been incredibly positive. Look up 'Diary of Death' on Techland and read their review/fight journals
Will do, thank you!

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>>51136211
Hmmhm hm yeees!

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>>51136375
Are you about done, yet?

>>51136353
>June, I believe.
Try October to December. Initial estimate was Summer 2017, but that's been slid by "1 to 3 months". So likely Winter 2017.

>>51136353
>June
>First Day of Summer 2017
>Wednesday, June 21

Poor souls, you guys actually believe that you are going to get the game starting Summer?

>>51136398
Source?

>>51136413
>Source?
Where do you think? Where would someone who is qualified to make a statement like that make such a statement?

>>51136432
Yeah, that's what I thought.
So Summer 2017 it is!

>>51136405
>Fulfillment in 2017
Not with the amount of interest this time around more like end of 18

>>51136413
As I wrote here
>>51136259
The delivery date of the core game has been delayed because 15,000 more copies has to be printed.

>>51136448
Christ this thread is filled with insufferable faggots who want you to spoodfeed them with everything.

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>>51136448

>>51136375

Yea it'll be more retail. They have a black friday sale every year so you might want to wait for that. Otherwise, pick up Table Top Simulator and give the game a try.

>>51136391
>being a faggot to someone interested in the hobby just because you've known about it longer
I don't know, are you done being cancer?

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>>51136448

>>51136476
>They have a black friday sale every year so you might want to wait for that.
Sounds like a plan, thanks anon.

>>51136532
How many (You)'s do you need to get before you'll shut up and go away?

>>51136570
Next Black Friday should be approximately when the Core Game comes back in stock, too, so there'll probably be something. I wouldn't expect KS prices, but it'll be good, probably.

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>>51136585
What in the fuck are you talking about, I came in to ask people discussing a cool looking game about said game. Kill yourself you antisocial autist.

>>51136585
>using the term (You)'s wrong
Asking honest questions isn't bait, dickhead.

>>51136633
>>51136667
Jeez this is bad. You are bad. And the samefagging has to stop.

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>nobody's poot-posting

one job, famalamadingdongs


You're the man now, dawg.

>>51136667
Yeah, I'm not sure where the (you) stuff is coming from here.

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>>51136067
Oh shit and thanks to this angle, I am pretty certain the headdress is designed to come off as well!!

This shit is so incredibly hype.

>>51136679
>has no justification for his autistic behaviour except "you're bad" and claiming everyone against him is samefagging
Yeah alright

So for assembly any super glue will do right?

Also for sanding rough spots I should use fine sand paper right (180+)?

>>51136844
Come on, man. You think there aren't ways of picking out samefags? See all those numbers on the bottom right of your screen? Anybody who's been here longer than a week knows how to use those. Fuck off back to le'ddit you faggot, and stop derailing the thread.
>>51135775
Thanks for posting these, was wondering what the whole thing looked like.

>>51136909
>So for assembly any super glue will do right?
Not all cyanoacrylates are made the same. Make sure that your super glue states it is suitable to bond plastic to plastic. Gorilla brand Super Glue, for example, does not.

Sand paper isn't typically used because it's hard to keep it localized. Diamond grit files are easier to control.

>>51136158
He's vegan.

Anybody have a more high-res image of the Messenger of Humanity's (Guts) face? Been digging around and can't get a good look at the face.

>>51136948
>implying I haven't been here far longer than you
>implying I hadn't already posted in the thread before calling you out for being a dick to a new guy for no reason and that's why the poster number didn't change
>implying you weren't the one to derail the thread by being a shitposting twat
Holy fuck it's amazing how stupid you are.

>>51136976
What he puts in his mouth is none of my business


O wait...

>>51137032
Wow the damage control is coming out in full force. Stop derailing the thread, you dumb piece of shit. You aren't contributing anything.
>>51136909
Yeah, super glue is fine. The models are just plastic. Have you done any other plastic models before? If so, these are the same.

>>51136909
I strongly suggest you buy ALL hobby supplies and test them on a junk gunplay kit before you cut into your 400 dollar base set.

That being said there are many different kinds of glue and you can and should become familiar with all of them in order to know which tool to use for which job.

Find yourself a superglue that is fast drying and easy to chip off/separate, very likely a gel -- this will help for setting up a more advanced form of Dry-Fit (for painting and staged assembly). Why you will want this is because sometimes you need to take a stepback and look at the pose before you commit to it, and bluetack makes shit look so horribly spaced out/floppy.

Then you'll need a plastic glue, something that chemically melts the plastic and bonds it -- making it inseparable. This is really tricky to work with, as it cannot be easily undone, but having one in your arsenal will be useful when you have tiny giblets that keep falling off. A good plastic glue can even be used to fill up gaps and melt surfaces to look flush -- but use it with caution, as this can go wrong real quickly. Various consistencies available, I prefer semi firm, because liquid will run onto places that you didn't want it to.


And finally you will need to find a formula that can be applied with a brush and is very forgiving for mistakes -- especially for those hard to reach spots and large flat spaces. This is probably a liquid.

>>51134545
>not backing all in for the first kickstarter and then Satan level this time around
You disgust me.

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>>51137111
>trips
holy fuck
CHECKED

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Fa/tg/uys! Damage report!

Pledge level: Gold Lantern
Expacs:
Slender
Nightmare Ram (Luscious Lamb Chops)
Lion Knight
Frog Dog (the meme supreme)
Manhunter
Red Witches
Messengers of Humanity
Black Knight (best girl's best dog)
Pathfinders
Abyssal Forest
Total dosh spent: $960

What I wouldn't give to have snagged a Black Friday Gold Lantern pledge. Boy, I dropped the ball on that one.

>>51137161
>no Flower Knight
nigger what are you doing

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>>51137161
>Abyssal Woods
>no Flower Knight
>no Spidicules
>but you grabbed the pathmemers
Mistakes were made.

>>51137111
hot tips from truthful trips

Gorm or Frogdog?

>>51137111
Suggesting plastic cement to newbies is setting them up for failure.

Cements also devalue minis as you cannot disassemble them without a saw, where as most of the time with superglue you can just freeze it to greatly weaken the bond for separation.

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>>51137262
Pound Pepe is better

Gorm will be phased out and left in the dust

Gold Lantern
+Flower Knight
+Gorm
+Dragon King

How good is this for a poorfag?

>>51137294
oh also forgot to mention, I haven't added the xpacs yet so they're still up for change

>>51137273

I'm trying to teach the man that there are options. There's a time and a place for all glues, anon; everyone should discover for themselves when that is.

>devalues
Wasn't a guide for how to get rich or die trying.

>>51137294
Only added $70 onto mine so I'm looking at Flower Knight and Dung Beetle Knight as my expansions.

>>51137287
It's so fucking ugly, tho. What are the other Lv 1 quarries?

>>51136280
>how good is the game
If you are willing and able to drop $400 on a board game, it is worth every penny. If you have any hesitation, run away. It's extremely polarizing, but that appears to be the line for most people.

The game is VERY brutal. It plays like an RPG, but if you play IT like an RPG, you will hate the game. This game is so lethal it makes oD&D look like 4th edition. If you NEED to be able to lose characters and grab a new one without missing a beat, or the game will crush you.

You aren't playing a character, you are playing a settlement. Characters are just a resource, and you have to be willing to spend them.

If you can adopt that mindset, it will be an amazing game.

>>51137516

Honeycomb Weaver
Gorm

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>>51137516
bow down to your queen

>>51137287
What do you mean by 'phased out'?
Also, why do you like Frogdog better? More content or what?

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>>51137603
More content

Dynamic fight

Three armors

Cool thematic base

Better in every way

>>51137624
Yeah makes sense.
Flower Knight, Dragon King, and Fart Pepe it is!

Has anyone homebrewed other prolog battles? Now I know my group they're going to die like mother fuckers for campaigns and roll their eyes at fighting the lion after the 5th settlement in a month.

>>51137624
It's uglier too.

I'm decently sure that Weaver is going to blow the other two out of the water: Two VERSIONS of the monster for mad wax armor goodness and while the model is suitably disturbing for anything KDM, it doesn't look like canine vomit

>>51137649
If that's all you're ordering then keep in mind that you have to pay a large initial fee for each shipping wave. Generally it is recommended to stick with only new or only old expansions if you're getting a small number.

>>51137698
Yeah you're right. Maybe Gorm now and Fart Pepe when it hits retail.
Thanks for the heads up.

>>51137684
Playing Satan's advocate here but, we don't have a model for the Weaver just the concept art. It's concept art is good, sure, but so was the Frogdog's and look how that turned out.

>>51137684
We'll see how much you like fighting Super Futa lv 100 when her minions drop your survivors instantly, en mass

>>51137575
Now THIS I dig. Frogdog is just too cartoony and silly. If the maw were more doglike, with fangs instead of human teeth, if the eyes were more amphibian...Shoulder facevag is good, body is good, it's just the face I don't like.
Acid fartclouds don't really grab me either.

>>51137273
When models fall apart two or three times bc CA glue is not providing a lasting bond, plastic glue is a good option

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>>51137766
>Shoulder facevag is good

I don't disagree with the modifications which you speak; in fact I plan on making a custom sculpt that is closer to the concept art, and I might just modify the teeth to be a little more K9

You guys will see it, in due time. If you really like it, I'll consider making more.

>>51137839
>I'll consider making more.
Bro, if I you make a nice conversion kit, I wouldn't be the only one to buy one off you.

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Anyone backed the plastic board? I've gotten everything there is except for that. I feel that one is a bit too excessive. Will I regret this decision? y/n?

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>>51138005
I know I would

a plastic board is something I don't only want, I NEED it

Do you hear me, Adam? I can't live without it.

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>>51138005
I got it because I'm a completionist with far too much disposable income. It will probably look good when its painted, but I doubt it'll stay together easily and the paint will chip off fairly quickly over the course of a campaign. It would have been awesome to see actual Kingdom Death-styled 3D terrain like giant stone faces or trees made of bones and flesh but I'll settle for this. Maybe next campaign.

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>>51137955
duly noted, friend

I'm getting friendly with some non-dry clay this weekend, just to sharpen my skillset up.

>>51136835
>headdress
It's the nest. You can see the lil chirpers if you look closesly at it.

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>>51138113
oh i know

its like an organic headwrapping

even has a family of lil guards inside, 2 cute


But yeah like I said, that angle confirmed my suspicions... the model was designed to have it removed and still feature a sculpt underneath. I cannot wait for that dramatic reveal!!

>>51137814
Not all CA glues are the same.

Most especially Gorilla Glues being not designed for plastic bonds.

>>51138204
hence the advisory to buy and test glues out for yourself.

>>51138005
Do you play at other peoples houses?

Do you want to paint it?

If you replied yes to either of those you probably shouldn't get it.

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>>51135730
>>51135775
I like the monster a lot more after seeing these angles

>>51137161
Black friday silver lantern
Dragon king
Flower knight
Black knight
Black knight pinup
Im a pleb

>>51138431

I love the mini but painting it is going to be a gigantic pain in the ass.

>>51137161

>Gold Lantern
>First Hero
>Ivory Dragon
>Abyssal Woods
>Flower Knight
>Red Witches
>Pathfinders
>Honeycomb weaver
>Screaming God
>Pinups x 4

$935ish

Yes, I know about AW and spidicules. If Poots adds a pledge manager (and I hope he does, given how many new add ons were revealed in the last 48 hours) I'll further add Dragon God, Spidercooler, and probably Candy Cola/Hyperlight.

>>51137237
Would you recommend swapping out Red Witches and Messengers of Humanity for Flora Knight and Spooder then? Those are the only real changes I'm willing to make with my pledge locked in, unless I can add more to my pledge with the post-campaign pledge manager.

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>>51138222
>>51137111

check'd and thanks for the help

Will there ever be a way to buy this game, or is it only ever going to be available via kickstarter pledges?

Anybody have the link for the boardgamegeek post about which xpacs are most essential? Can't find it

>>51138415
>3d board
>if you want to paint it or show it off to friends its not for you

? ? ?

>>51138680
Paint will chip off and I imagine he meant it's not very mobile

>>51138680
It's going to be heavy and hell to transport, it'll add even more time to set up with how it's looking to be modular so they don't have to fucking manufacture 1 giant slab of hard plastic.

Painting it is going to have a problem with acutely using pieces on it as they'll slowly wear away and chip the paint.

It might be awesome for display but for gaming it's not going to be that practical.

>>51138650

Poots should have some copies up on his store eventually. $400ish MSRP, might be higher with the new update. Black Friday sale puts it at KS prices. And of course, there's always scalpers and the secondary market. I expect we're going to see a LOT of the copies go up for sale on ebay after people get them, and decide it's too hard/different/big/heavy/not for them.

>>51138673

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1532135/expansion-summaries-includes-card-counts-pg-3

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>>51138650
short answer yes

long answer Poots has already made a lot of good longterm decisions this go around, and has the ambitions to readily stock their store once the current pledges are fulfilled.

He'll more than likely do another kick starter for the NEW AND IMPROVED Ringtail Fox core expansion (for season 2) and with luck a separate project titled Kingdom Death: Labyrinth -- which is presumed to be a dungeon crawling, heavily customizable RPG of sorts with focus on small groups rather than whole settlements; most likely starring Storm Knight

>>51138759
Thanks for the link, but that's not the one I was looking for. The one I'm looking for has lists of which ones are best for which purposes, like content and general consensus and stuff

>>51138756
>>51138720
I'm saying that this recommendation for why you shouldn't get it is utterly preposterous. After all, the entire point of having a gorgeous board in the first place. This product was designed to be lavishly detailed to impress you and your friends.

Get it BECAUSE you want to paint it and be big dick swingin amongst your gamegroup.

>>51138781
>tfw Storm Knight is kill

>>51138781
>>51138759

Thank god. I didn't want to have a limited time to grab them where I may or may not be fast enough to get a copy instead of I-Need-Five-Copies-Four-To-Sell-On-Ebayanon. I don't come around 4chan very often, so this is a very real danger.

>>51138828
Yes, it would be pretty when painted. But it will chip.

>>51138843
>But it will chip.
Shouldn't you be able to to a clear coat then a dull coat to protect it?

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>>51138843
I'm spraying all of the bottoms of my minis with rubber coating, this will minimize chippage and allow for better grip on certain raised terrain.

Buy the damn board if you want it, fuck the haters

>>51138883
Maybe. Not sure.
Also, this is a preference thing, but rolling dice on the plastic board would be loud as fuck, and I prefer to roll on the board.

>>51138883

All coats wear down over time so those will protect it for awhile but you'll likely have to frequently reapply. Honestly it's already kind of a hassle to move KD with all its minis around, so I'm not that excited to add a huge plastic board to the pile.

>>51138837
Why on earth would he be KILL kill? I mean I realize that it's been forever since there's been an update on the subject, but still... speculation abound that he's meant for some content that hasn't been greenlit yet.

>>51138837
He's just too busy partying at the lantern festival.

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>>51138902
>yfw your friend brings his Premium Kickstarter Metal Dice (TM) over

>>51138925

I doubt he's kill, it's by far one of the best models in the entire range. Poots is likely just deciding where he wants to fit it in, or as always fastidiously tweaking it to make sure it perfectly fits into the gameplay and lore.

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>>51138944
>mfw sensitive ears and your post made me cringe

>>51138939
kek'd

>>51138902
>not having a dice tower

lmao plebs should just kill themselves tbqh

>>51139056
Dice towers are probably the most autistic gaming accessory out there
Definitely a big red flag for autism

HEY /kdg/ WHAT ARE YOUR

>TOP 3 NEMESIS FIGHTS

>TOP 3 QUARRY FIGHTS

>FAV WEAPON

>FAV ITEM

>FAV ARMOR SET

>>51139097

Oh you have not seen the fucks i play with. They believe the harder you chuck your dice at the table, the higher the roll, especially if the tabletop is made of glass and you're playing well deep into the night

>>51137668
The Game Over event has rules for jumping straight to the first settlement phase.

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>>51139133
I don't know about that shit, all I know is the sound of dice hitting a gameboard triggers my ASMR
>mfw cozy boardgame ASMR noises

>>51138883
You'll have to reapply it, especially if you're touching it, moving minis on it (scratching it) and rolling dice on it.

It's going to be a pain to transport considering if you bring KD anywhere you're already tugging along a 15 odd pound box that's 2 feet long.

>>51139133
just give them a -1 stat token everytime their dice go outside a 1x1 foot square.

>>51137668
The rules include an option to just role a die and move on to LY1

>>51139124
>Lion Knight
>Hand
>Tyrant

>Flower Knight
>Dung Beetle Knight
>Antelope 2+

>ZANBATO

>Cat's Eye Circlet

>Gonna say Lantern but Rawhide is the workhorse.

>>51138999
>sensitive ears
>posts experimental glitch/noise meme rap
Hello, fellow /mu/tant

>>51139299
/mu/ is gay keep your gayness to yourself pleb

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>>51134309

Have m baby, Poots

ur good 2

>>51139343
Confirmed

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Note to all new players pledging for a Gorm.

The only reason people say to buy Gorm is because it's a LY1 monster so you don't have to hunt Lions forever.
HOWEVER, with the new KS you should probably get peeps or Weaver.

Compared to the Gorm you save another $15 getting the peeps which has at least 2 armour sets.
Weaver is the same price but you get 2 50mm monsters and 2 minions.

So if you hate the Gorm but want a LY1 monster and don't care about the deliveries I highly suggest the Peeps/Weaver.

>>51139404
that armor is so 20/10 for me

god damn I wish this was even the least bit realistic to cosplay

So from how it sounds, I'll need to get the Gryphon expansion if I want to use the equipment gained from the Red Witches expansion?

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>>51139452
Patrician taste friend.

And I think it could be done..I would just make the armour a "shell" that goes over another thin black layer of plastic or something for those holes...Not that I actually know anything about cosplay.

>>51139404
Having only owned the core game, despite disliking the gorm miniature, I picked that during the kickstarter and not retarded smile frog or weaver, because at least I will get to use it by the end of this year. I will jump on weaver in the future, but didn't want to put up my limited money on something years off, that still has a small chance of never happening or being shitty. Gorm is stupid looking, but the game addition is solid, and I'll just use this Sully toy to proxy the gorm.

>>51139487
Theoretically.

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>>51139535
...aaaaand forgot to include a picture...

>>51139527
>>51139404

I don't actually think it would be too hard, most of that costume is pretty easy to make. the real trick is getting hte head gear right so it's not too heavy and a constant strain on your neck.

>>51139558
How the fuck can you think Gorm looks dumber than Sully from Monsters Inc.?

>>51139558
I would use Mike.
But that sounds legit.

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>>51139558
>>51139619
>>51139624
>51139624
evil muppet-like monsters would be a cool boss

>>51139658
I really hope Poots reads this full thread.

>>51139558

My plan was to completely redesign the gorm from the ground up, giving it a sort of lurching posture like that Kitty.

I think getting the front legs off the ground would make the massive baby hands a lot more appealing too. This would use like 30% of the existing model, I'd have to design the rest of it.

>>51139658
>survivors must face the homeless train guy and his puppets from Polar Express.

>>51139682
if he does, I hope more people say congrats to him, otherwise it'll look like all six of us showed up to show our appreciation

>>51139723
I thought some people said thanks without an image. They're sprinkled throughout the thread, but whatcha gonna do.

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>>51139701
I have a nephew and we just closed out the holiday season

so of course I kek'd at this

YOU'RE A DOUUUUUBTTTEEEERRR !!

>>51139749
Yeah I guess it's fine enough.

Ekoi hasn't shown up yet either.

>>51139723
Hi Poots, thanks for the great game. If I toss more money, would you be able to deliver the core and original expansions sooner? (Legit question)
Thank you again for your great work

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>>51139827
I too wish to throw more money his way to accelerate the process

With respect and love - an irresponsible fa/tg/uy

>>51134309
Congrats with the game Poots. I missed out on this one, but I'll make sure to save up some money for the game.

>>51139827
>>51139867
Poots, I will counter and pay you even more money to ensure the game comes later than planned because I am a spiteful and angry channer who only finds pleasure in the suffering of others. I will pay you $100 to ensure that my enemies pay for their wrongdoing.

>>51140024
God damn it NOOOO

My several thousand dollars, wasted...

>>51140024
Whoa $100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>51140024
I'm sure that hundred will be enough to have him mildly disappoint the 11m he got last week.

>>51140205
It's a free $100, he only makes a portion of the 11 mil. ;)

>>51138514
oh yeah, I'm gonna pick up an airbrush, which will barely help

>>51139404
>HOWEVER, with the new KS you should probably get peeps or Weaver.
And get it fucking 2 years later

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Dropped my pledge as soon as I became aware of this game (pic related). Guess I won't be in these threads anymore. If you need me, I'll be at the /flnbg/.

>>51134309
Poots, amazing world, amazing game, thanks for being a seemingly good guy dedicated to making a great product. Also, for just the cost of daily chicken tendies and the guarantee of not having to interact with normies, you have a huge potential source of cheap labor here on /kdg/ if you need volunteers for assembly, inventory, or moving of product. And probably only a very small chance of theft...

>>51140435
Still more monster variety than KDM. Less niggers in this game than there are goats in Kingdom Death desu soka ne

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Man, thread is already dead, doesn't speak well of the life of the game

>>51140542
>he made the effort of warping the text

>>51139796
I read 90% of KDM threads, just don't always trip when I post.

Also I'm no longer a NEET, so sometimes I'm gone and selling booze.

Also also I'm not exactly in Poots' pocket (yet) so it's not like I get to heavily weigh-in on content. Realistically, don't even expect new content to be announced before there's hints of Foxes and Rust.

>>51140542
It's because no new content or updates are being spilled. The minute we get any sort of update on the kickstarter, we'll get a few days of life. There's a following for the game for sure, but when there's nothing to discuss and everyone is waiting on their copy of the game to come, it's hard to keep constant conversation.

>>51140579
POOTS THERE IS A SNAKE AND THE GARDEN AND YOU NEED TO CHOP OFF HIS HEAD

>>51140542
Nah it's just people need a chance to chill, and keep in mind the vast majority of people pledging don't have the game already.

Once they get the core game, there will be a moderate surge in threads again. Once old expansions ship, there will be a small surge, and another with gamblers chest. Once new expansions ship there will be a MASSIVE surge that will last months, if it dies at all, thanks to the massive influx of content, and more importantly, Campaigns of Death giving more custom content for fans.

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>>51140542

>>51140584
Maybe if the game actually had depth and complexity there would be discussion lmao

u ever wonder why other games dont need shiny new content to generate discussion? Its because they aren't shit unlike KDM

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>>51139124
Slenderman, The Hand, The King's Man

Lion God, Flower Knight, Dragon King

Dragonslayer

Green Charm

Hilariously, the Green Knight Armour because we actually got it in our game and it was so beefy. Otherwise, Rawhide because workhorse set is workhorse.

>>51140797
>>51139273

I feel like The Hand would be my favorite fight if the rewards for fighting him legit weren't hilariously terrible.

I find the "Just Survive" version of his fight pretty boring to be honest, especially if we people with shields.

>>51140852
if we *have people with shields

>>51140769

>Obvious bait but fuck it

Or maybe it's because we got a new edition rolling in and why the fuck would you waste time going over older ground. If you think it is so shit, why not fuck off to another thread?

>>51140852

I generally try to actually beat him unless my settlement is on the road to ruin.

>>51138574
This might be a little late but yes, there's a big elaborate campaign in the Abyssal Woods expansion that requires Spidey and the Flower Knight.

>>51140769
>implying there is literally any other board game that has General threads as often as KDM
Inb4 you make your bait even more obvious and call a wargame or RPG a board game.

>>51137161
>Gold Lantern
>Dragon King
>DBK
>Screaming God
>Red Witches
>Pariah

I really like the red witches, however i read that it has synergies with the Pariah which i don't like and would rather get the Black Knight expansion. Do you think ut would be worth it if i just dropped the Pariah and went for the Doggo?

>>51141883

It's up to you. I don't know why you don't like the synergy between the two, but the knights have always been a solid pickup and who could say no to best pupper?

>>51141883
Always good to get another LY1 monster to break monotony unless you're okay with killing White Lion repeatedly.

>>51141883
Pariah is only really for if you want to run the mini campaign.

Otherwise Black Knight is a solid choice and includes its own mini campaign anyway.

>>51134853
how many of you DON'T have pony tail's?

>>51142257
Poots

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>tfw you draw Sink Hole and Lava Pool for a lvl 2 lion

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>>51137294
Returning poor fag- BFL, Nightmare Ram, Screaming God, Honeycomb weaver, Campaigns of Death, Oblivion Mosquito and Ivory Dragon

>>51141811
Shit man, where's the Go general thread?

Also need some Pandemic up in this bitch.

>>51142431
>tfw you get Fade event early

>>51135177

Straight up that all looks so good. Is that from the game?

>>51142593
It's from the video game Dragon's Crown

>>51139615
>I don't actually think it would be too hard, most of that costume is pretty easy to make.

As someone who makes costumes, let me tell you every time you have that thought, you're wrong.

So many people seem to get the Flower Knight. Is it such a good expansion?

I hope we will never find out whether or not the Goblin does exist.
That is a mystery I do not want to be revealed.

>>51142628

I had a feeling, but I saw a page number on the bottom and my heart filled with doubt.

>>51142774
I haven't played with that one that much yet but holy hell is the bow you get from it god-tier

3 fucking 6 fucking 6 mane

>>51142787
Just assumed it was inevitable. Now I am with you, never tell.

>>51137161
Black Friday Gambler's Lantern
All promos that aren't in a bundle
$922

>>51136158
.>>51139193
Lol

>>51142774
The bow he gives you is OP and the mini is one of the best in the line. Besides that he doesn't really give you much gear or an armor set, but he helps break up early game white lion spam along with gorm. Although with pepedog and honeycomb weaver being thing, he has some competition for early encounters now.

>>51134309
Thank you Poots for having a mind capable of creating this world. You have a great passion for crafting this content, and it shows. I never thought a board game could draw my interest so much to throw over $1000 at it without ever playing it. But please, less homing electric fart bubbles. The fuck.

>>51137161
Black Friday Silver Lantern
Screaming God
Bone Armour
Campaigns of Death

>In case he does do the Red Witch mini campaign.
Red Witches
Pariah
Gryphon

Pepe
Burrito Mosquito
Nightmare Ram
The Black Pupper
Mountain Man/Inverted Mountain

Abyssal Woods
Honeycomb Weaver
(I have FK/DBK/Spider already)

$890

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>>51134309
This one's for you, Pootle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU3aIJs88g


5moaryrs

>tfw first found out about kdm the day after the 1.5 kickstarter ended
I've felt so fucking depressed ever since
My wish is that another kickstarter happens so I can pledge for the game before it has an official release so I don't have to spend $600 on it

>>51143370
I'll definitely spend $600 to buy the game without regrets, but it would be nice if I can get it cheaper

>>51143370
pay very close attention from here out

subscribe to the news letter

There WILL be opportunities going forward for those that missed out on the KS.

Just be prepared for this realization.... The core game was 200 as a black friday backer special; you will be paying closer to between 350 pre release and 450 post

At best expect something in quarter 3 of this year (2017)

Oh and if you REALLY can't sleep without this game at night, you can pay rapedollars today -- just be careful not to get scammed AND scalped at the same time.

>>51143370
Well there's unlikely to be another Kickstarter before the 1.5 core game is released, but there will probably be another 3-4 years from now, though that might end up being for Kingdom Death: Labyrinth or some standalone game based around the Rintailed Fox.

To Pathfinder or not...

>>51143436

It comes with a whole campaign and some wicked good miniatures so I'd say it's a fair investment.

>>51143436
do you have shit taste? if so; magic AND elves await thee.

In all seriousness I am torn between getting it or not, as many people have indicated limited availability for crossovers outside of the KS camp. If you attend conventions, then I'd say wait and get it then, save your dollaries for more shit that'll come sooner or you know, don't eat cardboard for a month.

>>51143460
>>51143473
I say my chances of getting it at a convention are extremely slim which is why I'm considering it now. My first plan was to get it eventually, but as it seems it might be very hard to get outside of the KS and to me it looks like it'll be an interesting and different type of campaign from the original game.

>>51143554
Find a guy who bought the retail pack and convince him to sell you one for 300-350

>>51143562
That market up though.

>>51143417
Thanks man
I'm sad that I missed the $200 ($300 in my currency) black Friday deal
But a $350 ($525 in my currency) price for this game later this year would be reasonable as I really want to play it
Where do I subscribe for a newsletter?

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>>51134309
Here's a stimulating topic shift for you:

What's something that you would like to see most added to the Kingdom Death setting? How about to the gameplay?

The answer can go hand-in-hand, but feel free to choose individual points.
As for myself, I would love to see more minor entities in this game. Creatures which you can interact with that aren't necessarily deserving of a whole separate story or location, but that add to the ecology of the world. Poots has already demonstrated this with the in-depth peek behind the curtains.

The creatures from Silver City description just really set me off, and I cannot wait to interact with them; but something troubles me a little about them being hard to find or worse not worth your efforts. I hope to be proven wrong in this suspicion, because the concepts revealed were fantastic -- it's what motivated me to move towards ALL IN status.


Really, I just want to see Kingdom Death expand it's scope, from the small and nonthreatening prey, to the super predators that oppress whole settlements. I know it's going to happen eventually, but by jove I look forward to this aspect most of all.

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Here's a WIP on my buggo.

I'm actually happy with the iridescent look now. So previously I mentioned that I only used the green iridescent paint mix when trying to go for the color shifting effect. Well, after a few layers of blue and green washes, I said fuck it and highlighted/drybrushed some key places with the blue iridescent mix.

The results are pretty ballin'. Fur and eyes are still a WIP.

>>51143611
Try the kickstarted home page

at the top there's an option to subscribe. You might need to be logged into your account in order to do so


Now don't quote me on the price, but definately keep the faith that you'll one day secure your copy of it. For me? I've waited since the first kickstarter to play; though I was penniless at the time... It's been a long and lonely road, but now I'm sitting proudly at an all in pledge. You'll get there, some day.

>>51143674
lookin good, friendo

i like where youre headed. what color for the fur and eyes?

>>51143611
Go to the kingdom death online shop and subscribe

>>51143689
Going to do a glaze/wash of yellow in the eye sockets, which is why I went with white all over. Then i'll make the eyeballs a darker shade of yellow or something.

Thinking of giving the fur and wings/blade a brown wash.

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>tfw I only kickstarted for 2 pinups and not sure which ones to get

Just convince me of which two to pick. Too many good ones.

>>51143704
I personally would recomend a subtle rediish orange to yellow eye -- mostly as you said with a yellow wash, and then go just around the outside edges of the eye with a red glaze (or orange wash if you've got it)

Looks great -- what brand is the iridescence paint?

>>51143709
The ones with the biggest tits

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>>51143709

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>>51143709
I'd say something that can scratch two itches: FUN to paint and proxy in a game of your choosing

and

closest to your fetish


As for superior design and sculpt? Well we just haven't seen the sculpts yet... Keep in mind that the faces and hair change the most in the transition to grorious 2d to 3d pd


I like pic related; will be a blast to paint, and she's a herb maiden

>>51143720
I don't remember. I'd have to ask my friend. It was a smallish squeeze bottle the size of my hand. Probably the stuff you see off Amazon. I poured a bunch into two dropper bottles (50ml each. Filled about 20 ml's worth, I think.) and then poured in a good amount of P3 blue ink in one, and green ink in the other.

I cannot offer to help anyone to piggyback off my pledge until there is confirmation that post-campaign pledge-boosting will be available.

Hang tight, friends, the next few weeks might crawl like this.

>>51143678
Thanks man
I looked at the kickstarter page and it cost $1666 American dollars ($2400 in my currency) to get the core game plus the 12 expansions that will be released over time
Since I missed the kickstarter I'll have to pay double that for the core game and 12 expansions over time when they are released
So I'll be spending around $1666 ($2400 in my currency) more than you guys just because I was one day late
My luck is incredibly bad
I'll never get over this unfortunate event for the rest of my life
How would feel if you lost thousands of dollars because of one day difference?

>>51143768
interesting.... Is the ink mixture required, or an acquired taste?

>>51143774
Wait what is a post-campaign pledge boost?

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>>51143747
>The ones with the biggest tits

>>51143793
Adding additional funds to your pledge post-campaign via the pledge manager so you can get more goods.

>>51143780
In a game like this, not every expansion is mandatory

For starters you want to look at low level content like Gorm, Frogdog or Honeycomb weaver, with good midrange being almost any knight

Don't think about getting everything right away, just make finding a core your top priority. The expansion packs will be readily available on the webstore -- and people will likely sell off their unused expansions more likely than the core game (due to how difficult it is to find)

also HOLY SHIT you need to hurry up and move to america; your hobby is going to murder your funds

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>>51143747
They all have huge tits.

I think I might just get Kingsman for the Houtengeki design and....

>>51143762
That one looks good.

I really hope I have the money around the black friday sale to pick up a copy of the game, if there are any. I dunno, even if I just play it by myself. I have let this game slip through my fingers twice due to being poor as fuck. And it's horribly depressing. I just hope everyone lucky enough to get in on it enjoys the fuck out of it because i am envious as fuck.

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>>51143810
But anon, there is one true tiddyqueen that stands head above the rest.

>>51143797
that fanart is pretty aces

I like all the Rime fanart though. Keep it comin', you dudes.

T. Not that guy

>>51143806
Interesting, shame I missed out on the kickstarter in the first place
What do you mean by piggy backing?

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>>51143819
Yes but that one is 20 bux instead of 15 bux. I can't get 2 minis if i pick her. This is quantity vs quality of tiddies.

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>>51143820
That's pre-kickstarter art of the OC, though I do look forward to the art of those that said they'd draw Anonymous Survivor fanarts.

>>51143836
cuuute

good mornin' Ekoi

>>51143807
Everything is expensive in New Zealand
Computer parts are triple the price here
I have a barebones PC for this reason, I can't afford a graphics card that will perform better than a console for this reason
You Americans wonder why game devs cater to consoles?
It's because people in most countries can't afford to build a pc better than a console

>>51143821
Anon A was able to pledge to kickstarter.
Anon B did not find out about it until after the campaign ended.
Anon B pays Anon A to add on additional content to their pledge post-campaign in pledge manager, where then Anon A ships Anon B's stuff to them when it arrives. (of course Anon B paying the additional shipping costs)

Sometimes Anon B might offer incentive or appreciation, throwing Anon A a few more bucks to bolster Anon A's own personal pledge contents.

>>51143862
I never asked for these vidya feels

But you live in the land of middle earth -- your life should be a fucking zen adventure at all times. I hardly feel sorry for someone that can drink beer on Bilbo's porch.

Good luck finding the game though, friend, and hopefully your PC doesn't break down suddenly!

>>51143868
That sounds mean
I would love to do this
Of course I would throw more money as appreciation

>>51143674
I'm very interested as to finding out the paints you used for this, I've been trying to replicate a iridescent sheen for a little while now.

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>>51136976
The why the fuck is he so flabby.

>>51143868
If this ever is the case, I would gladly offer this chance

I'd need good faith and all that though; not going to donate a core game at my expense...

By and large you lot are a lot easier to talk to, so that's a good sign. Here's hoping I can help someone get in on the Monstertude

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>>51143854
I'm trying to sleep but having troubles with that. At least I have the afternoon shift.

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>>51143891
What part of it is mean?

>>51143907
When information about the campaign manager is confirmed, hopefully I might be able to help someone.

>>51143782
The iridescent paint by itself is colorless white/silver. I wanted to use it to give the DBK a shiny color shifting scarab loook.

>>51143946
I can't sleep either. i woke up at 3am, and I've been bumping the thread ever since

now I'm listening to music and warming up my fapping arm -- with luck I'll tire out and be able to roll back over...

>>51143992
thanks for the info

keep us updated!

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>>51143996
Good luck with that.
This is a blue board so I can't help you that much.

>>51143885
Yeah, our scenic regions are god tier
Most kiwis like me live far away from them and rarely see them
For example, I live in a shitty farming province with nothing but flat farms and shitty towns for hours on end in all direction
I have to deal with expensive everything
For example, I grew up having powdered milk as fresh milk was way to expensive at $2.5 a litre, even though NZ has millions of cows and makes heaps of the world's milk
When my family visited Australia milk was $1 a litre, despite them being a fucking desert with no cows

>>51143967
"mean" is a good expression in NZ
I said sounds great in our slang

>>51144016
>Giraffe tongue

It's all making so much sense to me now. How can one chick with a dick be so based?

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>>51144019
can't wait to see the rest of them...

Very FUN idea that the developers had. I think it was Anna's suggestion initially?

>>51144041
Anna is the best thing to happen to KD, she's actually got a really good mind for game design.

Poots is good at visualizing stuff.

Zenith is good at putting new cards types in monster decks.

Joe is good at being slow.

I don't know what Zach does.

>>51144070
Zach was a fairly recent hire I think and he did game design on a few expansions free-lance earlier. He did tell a little about himself during the KS if I recall correctly.

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>>51144070
second this

anna's mini is uber cute too


Although I am unsure how to paint her kitty...

>>51136161
What I wish I knew is why the fuck I can't get it shipped IN China, since it's coming from there...

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>>51143754
>red hair
>scars

Well shit thats two of buttons pressed...

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>>51143709
These were my picks, I especially like the watamote reference, but I can't help but feel a bit of trepidation for whatever the actual 3d render looks like.

>>51137111

I feel like a twat now, for some reason I had it in my head that the plastic used for Kingdom death wasn't the right sort to work with polystyrene cement, but after a quick google search I guess I was wrong. Maybe I had the idea from way back when it was still PVC?

Anyway, I've got most of the Core game built and painted now so I'm not going to start tearing my models apart, and the only thing to break off so far was one of the starting survivors cloth.

There are also some components where I think I'd still rather use superglue, the tiny inner half of the survivor forearms could quickly become melted blobs if some spread to your finger while drying.

>>51144408
Pondscum most lewd

cockprincess is the obvious bone-city, and Anon is the sleeper hit of the line

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>>51144377
Imo Pinup Percival is one of the best because she actually maintains canon accuracy.
She has her pupper, armour, and amputated hand due to the Black Guard story event.

>>51144448
I like that she's doing something in her pose (reading) rather than just posing.

>>51144408
Being that you can't really sculpt dark rings around someones eyes, you're probably going to have to heavily rely on the paintjob to make it look like the art.

>>51144501
yeah but I'm worried that they're going to try and replicate it anyway and give her weird sunken eyes and wrinkles. also I am VEEERY curious about the Pond part of it. are we getin some clear/tinted resin for the water? do we get just the bottom of the pond so it looks like she's just sitting on a pile of bodies with plants growing out of them? etc. etc.

>>51144529

No

Imagine everything you see there....without water

that's how it will look like

you can add water effects yourself (good luck with that)

>>51144465
>>51144448
I agree she's aces, and the fact that she's doing something fun and sexy that isn't just looking fun to sex up.

Can't wait to see the mini. I need the pupper in it, but doubt it will be...

>>51144548
Pupper is -definitely- in it as part of the base.

The pinup vidya playing witch has all the junk food+tv on her base based on the 3d sculpt.

>>51144559
too excite then

can't sleep

fap didn't work...

need to take zanax and pass out now. Goodbye thread!


Thanks again, Poots! You're my favorite game designer right now (along with Anna!)

>>51144548
yeah, that's what I figured, but it'd still be cool if we got the pond effect somehow. I guess I have all of the time between now and when I get her to experiment and make something decent.

>>51144596
Either manually paint all the refractions like a mad man or fill it with some liquid effects gel/resin/goop, whatever suits you .

>>51144648
Yeah, once we see what the 3d model looks like i'll have a better idea of what i'm going to want to do.

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Thank you Poots~!

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>>51144765
>>51144648
>>51144596
>>51144408

I would fucking LOVE IT if Poots started casting things in clear plastic.

Malifaux has that one advantage over this game -- and they sell like fucking hotcakes but twice a year!

>>51143662

I'd love to see some sort of trainable animals added to the game. It feels appropriate for a game about hunting to have some sort of in-universe equivalent to hawks, hounds and horses.

Of course, being kingdom death, they should probably kill half your settlement if you accidentally feed them after midnight or something.

>>51145174
Well Percival's lore confirms that non-frogdog dogs definitely exist in universe.
And Black knight confirms that they grow up in to large and powerful monster anyway,
just ones that are capable of rational thought, being civilized and livig with humans as the squires prove.

So I don't know maybe you could adopt your own Black Knight puppy and then have it grow up into a big old
Black Knight that you have to fight when something inevitably goes wrong?