/btg/ Battletech General!

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repost from last thread
I'm this guy >>51099963
I've never painted minis before so here are some dumb ass questions.
Do I need to prime the plastic BT or RT minis?
Is the "thin your damn paints" meme a legit thing?
Should I do paint schemes based off of official factions or just make some shit up?
Should my minis be uniform in design? If not I was thinking one style for the intro box mechs, another for the lance pack mechs, and a different one for the RT unseens.

>>51128526
And reposting my reply:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Do what you like. Camo is always a reasonable choice though, since the bright and colorful schemes are generally parade colors and most units camo up as necessary for combat anyway. The parade schemes stand out more on the table though.
4. Again, do what you like. But for variety's sake you might consider dividing the box into at least two schemes, especially for the sake of easy player ID. If you really want to get fancy, divvy up into lances and paint each differently.

>>51128480

It's a shame the Lyrans are the only ones who could do something worthwhile with a Banshee.

Though what model are they still producing as of the Dark Age?

So how would a mercenary company go about buying vehicles? The traditional way of buying 'Mechs is the "you have to be this famous to shop here", but how about stuff like tanks and helicopters? Could you simply ring up Ceres Metals, order four Pos and request delivery to wherever you are, and get a "certainly, that'll be 4,259,200 C-bills plus delivery"? I'm guessing some of the more aggressive marketers (like Ceres with the Po, Scarborough with their trio and especially Quickscell) wouldn't look at the unit's Dragoon rating to determine whether they're cool enough to ride their tanks.

>>51128604
9S2 is the latest model at least, and it and the 3Mr are the only ones with MUL info for the DA, the rest lacking info at all, but pretty much all of them have availability up to the Early Republic at least, even the introtech models including the 3S.

Though given the 9S2 is a variant of the 9S and makes a few sacrifices to firepower for a boosted C3 slave, I imagine the 9S is still getting cranked out at least.

>>51128780

Vees have always been easier to get a hold of than 'Mechs. So more or less.

The other good source could be from auctions. Merc units going bankrupt would have their gear seized to pay their debtors. Or for similar reasons, you could buy out the debt of a tanker force and subsume them into your roster.

>>51128780
Chances are you wouldn't buy direct from the factory. If they're that big, you're going to have a distributor or reseller located nearby. I imagine worlds like Galatea and Outreach have whole sectors of their main cities devoted to resellers and punters of combat equipment stationed there, transmitting orders back to the factories or elsewhere.

>>51128780
>>51129248

Can probably get a good deal on worlds like Solaris too can't you?

>>51129248
I love the thought of an entire street lined with armour dealerships like they have for used and new cars these days. Only instead of test driving and buying a Vauxhall Astra you're shopping for a tank.

Now that I think of it, Quickscell distributors really could be everywhere, considering they've spread around so much of the Inner Sphere. A lot of like Vauxhall dealerships are much more common than, say, Jaguar ones.

>>51128780
Picking them up at auction from a failed unit's assets would probably be more likely, just because you're gonna be paying 30-50% of the base price.
Although, I imagine most major mercenary worlds would have dealerships for most of the major arms manufacturers

>>51129275
Probably. Remember that Solaris has a whole virtual underworld on moving 'mechs around. It would make sense that they'd have people there selling equipment given how much gets damaged and lost with regular games.

>>51129368
And it makes sense, especially for the big players like Defiance, Luthien Armor Works, etc. For smaller players they'd send representatives direct.

But as >>51128905 said, impound auctions are also a good bet. Ever been to a police auction? You can get some high-end vehicles and property for a fraction of what they are worth. A lot of Merc units don't get beyond a company size, and probably quite a few fold up, either due to bankruptcy or simply just calling it quits. In the former case, the units are going to get seized, enough to pay off debts, and then re-sold to get a small profit for the seizure.

>>51129248
Big cartels like Ceres Metals and NETC probably work as distributors for other factories, in addition to selling their own stuff.

So is MekHQ/AtB a standalone program or is it a plugin/supplement for megamek?

>>51130097
Both, actually. You play your campaign in MekHQ, which launches Megamek when it's time for butt kicking.

>>51128604
I always found the -3M to be somewhat worthwhile.

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So I gave another look on my Jade Falcon binary, and came up with this:

>medium star
Kit Fox B config
Viper Prime
Nova A config
Adder Prime
Black Lanner C config

>"heavy" star
Mad Dog Prime
Warhawk Prime
Summoner Prime or C config
Turkina prime
Night Gyr A config

How it is?
Also I'd like to make a Solhamna star to swap with the heavy star, could I ask for some examples on what to field?

>>51130436

Does it have enough heat sinks to get worth while use out of it's weapons?

>trying megamek
>start with a simple 1v1 vs a bot
>Bot's BV, tons, and cost are 9999
>okay, I guess it's just hiding other players info
>launch game, nothing has spawned for enemy
Did I do this wrong?

>>51131328
Sounds like you're playing with the double-blind rules on? If you had "???? deploys into hex ????" style lines on the deployment screen, you're on double-blind. You only see the enemies once your own units spot them.

>>51131437
I'm using whatever the defaults are.

>>51131486
I think double-blind may have been on by default. Check the game options in the force creation screen (it's "TacOps Double Blind" in the Advanced Rules tab).

So what is the Combines most widespread Assult Mech?

>>51131812

Grand Dragon.

>>51131812
>>51131867

Depends on the era?

>>51131812

Given the numbers they shat them out in through the Succession Wars, possibly the Charger.

If not that, then the Hatamoto once they refit it.

>>51131925

All of them from 3039 to the Dark Age?

>>51132005

From 3039 to the Dark Age it will be the Charger, Stalker, and Hatamoto.

More Chargers and fewer Hatamotos at first, more Hatamotos and fewer Chargers and Stalkers later.

>>51132092
>more Hatamotos

If only they'd plonked DHS in the Hatamoto-Chi. I'd use them like few other 'Mech I love (and maybe replaced the dildo hand with a normal one, but that's neither here or there). The samurai Thug is too cool to not use.

>Precentor Christopher Schmidt: Commander of the ROM forces on Luthien, Schmidt pilots one of the newer 008 variants to deadly effect. Intelligence from O5P indicates that Schmidt is the one most likely responsible for detonating three tactical nuclear bombs within the Luthien Armor Works megaplex, completely destroying the facility and killing an estimated 80,000 people. The First Genyosha has made it a priority to bring down Precentor Schmidt and his Level II Circle ofthe Holy, though the presence of some Manei Domini troops within the unit makes that a difficult mission.

So who was it that destroyed the LAW facility? WoB or BDS?

>>51132302

Black Dragons.

WoB were suspected and would have made a shit ton more sense, but it was the Black Dragons.

>>51132302

I think officially, it's blamed on the Blakist.

Unofficially, I believe the Black Dragons are responsible for it, which is addressed in one of the stories.

It's one of those things that the wider Battletech Universe isn't aware of, like the Snow Ravens being responsible for the decimation of their own genetic repository (an act blamed on Clan Wolverine) or Sun-Tzu being responsible for the assassination of Jeffry Calderon.

>>51132441
>Sun-Tzu being responsible for the assassination of Jeffry Calderon.

huh?

>>51132984

In the Capellan Solution books, Sun-Tzu recalls it as one of the many acts he's done to ensure the success of his Xin-Sheng movements.

>>51133100
Oh. Never read those. Not a fan of Coleman novels.

Wonder what would have happened if the Taurians found out.

>>51133146

I rather like his works about the Capellan Confederation.

As much griping as they get, they really underlay Sun-Tzu's desperation and his struggle with in regaining what his grandfather and mother lost while also combating his personal daemons.

They also make it clearer how Sun-Tzu was able to accomplish much of what he did, such as manipulating the Star League. An act Katherine assisted him with.

>>51133229
Really? I've seen Xin Sheng and all that deconstructed here so much I pretty much dismissed the Capellan Solution books.

>>51133249

Well, Sun-Tzu has many problems that are pointed out in the books.

One of the most pressing is that he is a Liao, meaning he inherits many of the mental deficiencies that are associated with them.

Once, when bad news was delivered to him, he drew a pistol in his throne room and it took every ounce of restraint not to shoot Talon Zhan and one of his other subordinates over their failings.

It' also worth noting his re-annexation of the St Ives Compact did not go entirely according to planned and that his sister Kali nearly derailed it.


The earlier books before the Capellan Solution also elaborate on certain other instances of Capellan success, such as Operation Guerrero.

I believe those point out or imply one reason for Capellan success being that the units in the areas targeted for reconquest took their orders from Tharkad (meaning Katherine) and not New Avalon.

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>>51133488
>Once, when bad news was delivered to him, he drew a pistol in his throne room and it took every ounce of restraint not to shoot Talon Zhan and one of his other subordinates over their failings.

I can't see Sunny "All According To Plan" Liao freaking out like that.

>>51133146

>Wonder what would have happened if the Taurians found out.

You know how badly they got BTFO'd by the SUns during the FCCW/Jihad?

Imagine them trying to start shit with the Capellans. Then imagine how badly they would get stomped by JUST AS PLANNED magic.

>>51133488

>One of the most pressing is that he is a Liao, meaning he inherits many of the mental deficiencies that are associated with them.

That all turned out to be Just Pretending so he could make everyone under-estimate him so things would go JUST AS PLANNED even more easily.

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>>51133580

>I can't see Sunny "All According To Plan" Liao freaking out like that.

It happens.

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When I got all my mechs out to prime them I realized I'm one lance short of six companies. What four ruskie mechs should I get to round out my forces?

>>51134065
Do they have four Ostsols?

>>51133146
>Wonder what would have happened if the Taurians found out.
It would really depend on when they found out. And if we're letting Xin Sheng work it's magic or not

>>51134192
What would it be called there?

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What's your favorite government in BattleTech?

Like how it's structured, functions, etc.

>>51134595
Dammit, I wish I know. Do they have mechs labels by weight class?

>>51134677
Hell no

>>51134711
Crap. Then is stupid hunt-and-find time. Sorry.

Look, op used another shit picture AGAIN

>>51134837
Welcome to BattleTech, you must be new here. Get used to it.

>>51133146

The Taurians might have disregarded it entirely depending on whose ears it reached.

Grover Shraplen was questionable so.

>>51134837
Are you freaking kidding me? That one was from the damn TRO itself! Not everything has to be a damn Mona Lisa.

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>>51133941
>dialing for a serious tone
Please leave your names, targets and nerve agents after the beep.

Is narc/inarc even remotely viable in the DA? There are a couple of narc and i narc designs that look nice and I was always a big fan of it vs the Clans when I was running a ComStar level III ages ago

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Were WoBM soldiers that didn't commit war crimes permitted to join the Republic Armed Forces?

dracs unrelated

What are the most common mechs the FWL has that can sling out a shitload of missiles?

>>51136551

The Apollo, Archer and Long Bow are several.

>>51136551
Archer -4M, aka the platonic ideal of Archer.

>>51136551
Archers, Trebuchets, Longbows and (unfortunately) Crusaders

>>51137054

Whats wrong with a Crusader?

>>51137054
>>51136636
>>51136624
>>51136551
Speaking of the FWL, what mechs do they have that use physical weapons? Seems like they have the fewest of the Houses.

>>51137160
Maybe they realize it makes more sense to stand off and shoot.

>>51137153
Their tendency to explode

>>51137160

Well, the Neanderthal is one. The Violator is another one.

But it seems only Regulus makes heavy use of those.

>>51137256
Sarath, too. But generally, what >>51137206 said. Although in BT, they're less than half-right - short range is king for actually killing things.

>>51137360
Which gets back to the thing about C3 makes more sense for the FWL than the DCMS.

SHORT RANGE FOR EVERYTHING!

>>51136208

ECM is is pretty common and NARC/iNARC has always struggled to be relevant.

So mostly no.

>>51137558
I've been saying this for years at this point, but it's never gonna get retconned, so...

Every /btg/RO FWL design has C3i

>>51133146
You know, this gave me an interesting large-scale campaign idea.
Picture this: the taurians find out that sun-tzu is behind the murder quickly, before their troops have even reached St.Ives. Their military promptly flips, removes sharplan in a coup, tears up the trinity alliance and starts plotting revenge. The players are the officers of the regiments in transit, and until the new government figures out what to do, they're basically on their own, and the campaign starts from there

>>51137160
There's a Grand Titan with a sword. Someone joked that they ditched the Optimus Prime in order to go Obari? Was a reference to some super robot anime.

>>51136551
Let's not forget the Yeoman

>>51137637
That Grand Titan is built to match Optimus Prime nearly exactly though. Just one with a sword, rather than an axe.

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>>51137733
This is your daily reminder that Regulans made Optimus Prime fire nuclear weapons.

>>51137613
So giant robot Anabasis? I'd play it

Hey /btg/, I'm making a themed lance for the Civil War, it's all assaults using only humanoids above 80 tons, so far I've got an Atlas, Akuma, and Kodiak. What's a good fourth?

>>51138348

I'm a fan of the pillager. May be a but hunchbacked for you, tho'.

So what is the benefit of c3 systems? Especially ic3.

>>51138592
Yeah, I'm trying to fit the aesthetic of titans stomping their way downfield, so the more humanoid the better. I'm sure you can guess which side of the war I'm on.

>>51138348
The Banshee works

>>51138707
Are there any variants which are brawlers? If I remember correctly most of the good Banshees rely on their PPC's and GR's.

>>51138089

This is your daily reminder that Herb said it was an IC rumour that was wrong.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=25275.0

>>51138651

If no-one has ECM and if nobody ganks your master units and if you're not balancing by BV your units should be shooting at medium range most of the time with the rare dip into short range.

In practice, there's going to be ECM, everyone will try to gank your master units, and you'll be wasting anywhere between 20% and 60% of your force's BV on something useless.

>>51138783

-3Q, arguably -6S because of how the HGR works, 8S.

>>51138934
is c3i better then?

and just seeing if i got this right. i have a crab with c3i and a king crab with c3i, i move the crab closer to the enemy and use it's range and line of sight for the king crab's weapons right?

>>51138934
3Q seems to undergunned for civil war and 8S is too late for our time. 6S has potential though, are there any other suggestions? How is the Executioner D?

>>51139007

>is c3i better then?

It's a bit less vulnerable to fuck-ups than normal C3 because it doesn't require Masters to function.

On the other hand, a 30% BV hike on all your units would let you leave your spotter(s) at the base 4/5 skills and then upgrade the heavy hitters to at least 3/5, possibly even 2/5.

It's too over-costed at the moment for me to really recommend.

>and just seeing if i got this right. i have a crab with c3i and a king crab with c3i, i move the crab closer to the enemy and use it's range and line of sight for the king crab's weapons right?

You use the range from the Crab, but both it and the King Crab need to have LoS to the target for it to work.

If the Crab has LoS and the King Crab doesn't, the King Crab can't fire on the target.

If the Crab doesn't have LoS and the King Crab does, the King Crab can still fire but has to count the range from its own hex to the target rather than from the Crab.

>>51139165

>How is the Executioner D?

Guns are OK but the thing has 20 points of side torso armour, Even the Thor does better than that there.

I find most of the Executioner alt configs a bit lacklustre. Config A is the best of them, IMO.

>>51139241
thanks m8

>>51139295
I think I'll go with the Executioner A for the MG's so I can take care of infantry more easily. I wouldn't put it past my friend to try an infantry gauss-wall.

Assuming they hadn't engaged in their (perhaps not unwarranted) aggression against the Suns, could the Taurians have built a modernized military with Trinity Alliance aid?

Was the Taurian military actually seeing any of the benefits of their alliance with the Capellans and Canopians?

>>51140469
>Assuming they hadn't engaged in their (perhaps not unwarranted) aggression against the Suns, could the Taurians have built a modernized military with Trinity Alliance aid?
If the capellans didn't hose them to death, sure. But then, honestly they could have done it without their help, though it would have taken them longer
>Was the Taurian military actually seeing any of the benefits of their alliance with the Capellans and Canopians?
That's the thing, they really weren't. They might well have done better if they'd signed that deal with St.Ives and continued their industrial espionage/open market tech buying plan

>>51140469

>Assuming they hadn't engaged in their (perhaps not unwarranted) aggression against the Suns, could the Taurians have built a modernized military with Trinity Alliance aid?

This really depends on how fast you're thinking about it being and how much Capellan dick they were willing to suck to get there.

In canon they weren't really willing to suck much dick and weren't happy with how the deal was set up to benefit the Magistracy. But then the Magistracy was much more enthusiastic with Sun-Tzu's cock, both figuratively and literally.

>Was the Taurian military actually seeing any of the benefits of their alliance with the Capellans and Canopians?

Yes. They got access to a bunch of tech in the 3060s that they wouldn't have had, either at all, that early, or to that extent, without foreign aid.

Considering how much they were getting out of it for a relatively low investment they should have stuck with it more. Mostly they're getting fucked over in other areas like being fixated on restoring the TCS Vandenburg to a combat-ready state despite it costing them billions, them not having the infrastructure to maintain it, and it being a fucking Vincent Mk. 39 of all things.

>>51140541
>>51140795
So where do you think they'd have been in 67 without the capellans?

>>51140830

As little as half their upgrade rate (unless they were sensible and spent the TCS Vandenburg money on on upgrade kits and imports) and maybe a regiment smaller (again unless they spent their money sensibly).

It's hard to say. Even before Shraplen and Tharn the Taurians were fond of cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Plus in that era everyone but the FWL was scrambling for all the gear they could get so it's arguable as to how much more the Taurians could have gotten their hands on. The FWL was busy laughing its way to the bank.

>>51140830
Difficult to call it exactly. It really depends on how the import thing worked out for them. I would say the baseline epuld be probably most of the 3050 stuff (LBX-10s, ERLLs, pulses, XLs). Probably not electronics, certainty not C3, and endo a distinct maybe. None of the tech introduced in the FMs, except MRMs (if they actually wanted them, and frankly MRMs always seemed more of a periphery kind of idea than a drac one), and probably LBX-2s and-5s, because I don't see them being any more complicated than the -10.
I mean, that's on par with Kressly, who are even smaller and lower resources, but can build the Bandersnatch by then
If they did well in the import business (presumably through the continuation of jeffery calderon's interest in trsde with the Sums), then MAYBE GECM and perhaps the LBX and ultra 20s, and MAYBE the LGR and RAC, but probably not

At any rate, most of their refits would look like the 3050 -M machines, but a bit lower tech.

>>51128480

Question /tg/, for fluff for making a company. A lot of the clan field manuals mention light clusters, like Hussar clusters, being made of "light to heavy fast mechs". What counts as a fast heavy for the clans? Is a Mad Cat or Loki fine or does it need to be full Linebacker?

>>51140830

Maybe they could have gotten Blakist aid in exchange for a certain percentage of their war-material going to the Blakist cause (pre-Jihad of course)?

>>51141081
I feel like 5/8 would be the bare minimum for a clan fast heavy, with 6/9 (or more likely 5/8 with MASC) designs predominantly

>>51141119
If I were writing the periphery plot for the 60s/jihad, I'd actually do it backwards from that, with the MoC being the one to go WoB (they had the highest degree of WoB influence in p2e, and it makes a good explanation for their magical cyborg supercommandos outta nowhere; they're MD on TDY), with Fonctstar propping up the taurians (who had no WoB influence at all before FM:U) as an attempt to counterweight WoB influence in the periphery

>>51141119

Pretty much what happened, I think.. The Cyrano was like that and though it's not explicitly stated I get the feeling it's what is implied.

>>51141081

Most Clan front-liners are 5/8.

>>51141125
>>51141252

So would it not be too weird to see those mechs in recon and light cluster companies?

>>51141310

>companies
>clan

This triggers my autism.

But to answer your question, not too unusual. However the Wolves were notable as CLANGOTTAGOFAST before the Hellions were fleshed out and they were in the process of phasing the Timber Wolf out in favour of the Linebacker because reasons. They really wanted the 6/9 movement.

The Gargoyle was considered just fine though.

Most of the 'Mechs in Hussar or recon-ish (the Clans don't really bother much with that- fast units yes, dedicated harrasers or recon commands not so much) units will probably be the fast lights and mediums. Fire Falcon, Mist Lynx, Arctic Cheetah, Hellion, Viper, Ice Ferret, maybe the Shadow Cat, Black Lanner and so on.

>>51141404

My apologies I'm getting my things mixed up. Thanks for the heads up on what are in fast lances though for the clan.

>>51141515

Fast Stars rather to be technical

>>51134646
They're going to actually try and see how Americans react to being fresh outta insurance soon.

>>51142501

I've had some keks watching people be all "Hurr my insurance is fine, I'm covered by the ACA, I'm gonna love watching the shitters who don't work hard enough get their insurance yanked when Obamacare dies!" then realise that, uh oh, the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.

Also do Americans actually think the TPP would have been bad for them? Literally what the fuck? The provisions of it were basically "The Pacific nations will adopt the US' IP laws, begin breaking down any socialised health care they have, and surrender most of their economic power to the US, in return for which they will get NOTHING! FUCKING NOTHING! AHAHAHAHAHAHA! USA! USA! USA!"

US politics is some bizarro world shit when viewed from the outside.

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>>51142501
Please not to be getting /pol/ on us now. Many people I knew LOST their insurance because of Obamacare.
Anyway... robits!
I am somewhat not the best designer. How do we fix the Puma / Adder so it has more DHS to handle those twin CERPPCs?

>>51144390

>I am somewhat not the best designer. How do we fix the Puma / Adder so it has more DHS to handle those twin CERPPCs?

Increase the base design to 50 tons, give it full armour, Endo and Ferro and two fixed DHS with 21 tons of podspace. That way you can have the Prime with two PPCs, 3 ER Mediums, a TC and 15 DHS.

Then we retire to the Society lounge and get blowjobs from hot technicians while drinking Fusionnaires.

Or just pull the TC for three extra DHS.

But I like the 15-ton bulking diet instead.

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Which one of you Clannerscum was this?

>>51144557

Looks like Vlad or Marthe trying to bait someone into declaring a trial to me.

>>51144471
Fan-freaking-tastic. Now I can't get the image out of my head of a Puma training alongside a Dragonfly and Urbie IIC in a gym with Arnold Scwarten-Vulture wearing 1980s sweat bands and weight lifting gym leotard pumping up as their trainer.

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Speaking of trials, how did the Clans present these post-Tukayyid raids? Trials of Grievance against the garrisoning Spheroids? Or my favourite concept: an interstellar booze run.

>"Star Colonel, we are out of Timbiqui Dark."
>"Stravag! Well, there is supposedly a large beer and spirits on a planet just two jumps away. Alert the Cluster, we shall declare a Trial of Possession for its contents."
>"At once, Star Colonel."

>>51144694
A large beer and spirits WAREHOUSE, meant to say.

>>51144622

>Reads from cue card: "TIME TO LET OFF SOME STEAM...
>Looks at camera: ...BENNET."

That Omni chassis is so basic and obvious it still kinda surprises me we never got it in canon.

Perfect successor to the Kit Fox, Adder, and Nova, effectively the same pod space as the Storm Crow since so many add DHS.

>>51144694
The Trial for Tukayyid laid out that if the Clans lost, that Tukayyid was the farthest "south" in the Inner Sphere that the Clans could go for fifteen years, not that the Clans had to stop invading at all. The maps in the novels and sourcebooks at the time show the limit as a line across the IS.

>>51144951
Yep, I know that, and didn't mean they couldn't raid "above" the ceasefire line. What I meant to was how these raids were presented. Were they simply "go in, beat up the Spheroids, go home doing high fives and butt slaps" or did they actually have military targets other than the "sharpening of the Falcon's/Jaguar's claws by beating up Spheroids" that gets trotted out about as often as "collecting battle data" in Resident Evil.

>>51144951
And just to head off the inevitable "But why didn't the Clans just conquer everything above the treaty line?" question, that's because the Clans as a culture suffered an intense period of ennui, because they expected the simple barbarians of the Inner Sphere to welcome them with open arms, and they also considered the treaty genocide, since their new warriors wouldn't have a chance to gain glory.

>>51145004
Some were training new sibko trials, and some were "we want this planet but are being coy as fuck about it." Excluding the Clanner Red Corsair anyway. We never got a real look at the Clans of the period, because all their fiction was tied up in the Refusal War, unless BattleCorps has some stories I don't know about.

>>51144390
>Many people I knew LOST their insurance because of Obamacare.

Your black friends, I presume?

>>51145064

>they also considered the treaty genocide, since their new warriors wouldn't have a chance to gain glory.

That was the biggest crock of shit lie in the whole thing. The Clans had been training and blooding successive generations for centuries before coming back. If they wanted to fight they could have done so among themselves or expanded laterally depending.

Mostly it came down to them being reamed by Tukayyid and then falling to infighting. The Falcons could have expanded but found it more pleasing to go after the Wolves instead, while the Jaguars were too weak to make any big moves and spent their time posturing instead.

>>51145101
Note I said "they" considered it genocide. I agree with your sentiment there, but that's what the supposed casus belli for the Refusal War was.

>>51145099
Pls no anon, you're gonna start something I'd be compelled to weigh in on.

>>51131211
Uh.. Not really. It's got 16 SHS to run 2 PPC, 2 ML and it's adorable head SL.

Lots of times you will have to pick between GOTTA GO FAST and shooting half your weapons.

>>51145064

It's a little more complicated then that. The Warder clans didn't want to take over anything else in the sphere and were stuck in the middle anyway. The Falcons were the most raid happy, and as noted the Smoked Jaguars were beat to shit and pretty soon the raids were on the other foot.

>>51144711
what on earth are you talking about?

>>51145345
I think he's saying he wants a basic 50 ton Clan omni with full armor, endo and ferro, then just a fuckton of pod space.

But isn't that just a Nova?

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>>51145345

See pic.

>>51145435

Not exactly. It's faster and allows for the use of iJJs later. Has more pod space too.

With a bit of item repositioning you can pretty much duplicate the loads of both the Nova and Stormcrow on it with more armour and speed than the Nova and a bit less armour than the Storm Crow.

>>51145101
>That was the biggest crock of shit lie in the whole thing.

They weren't wrong. I mean "this gal fought during the invasion, retracing the routes Kerensky took when he left" is pretty hard to beat by: "Yeah, then this guy fought some green burds on some planet we actually couldn't care less about." The latter isn't likely to make it into rememberance or get his bloodname, meaning that he's genetically as dead as your generic 4chan poster.

>>51145201
But Marauder does it, and he's popular! Though it lacks the AC/5 for the cooling off turn which hurts a bit, though the Banshee gains in durability. A PPC/LL combo could work nicely (in a relative sense as it still undergunned for a 95 ton mech), using the spare 2 tons for a pair of additional HS.

>>51145435
Nova doesn't use anything but an XL, and also only moves 5/8/5, and you know how some folks get about fixed jump jets.

>>51145574

And then if Green Burd guy beats Exodus Road gal, tough shit. He was a better fighter.

If they were serious about the genocide charges all of the Home Clans should have risen up and annihilated the Invaders for locking them out.

It was pure politicking and made no sense, bt the Falcons couldn't very well come out and say "Well, we want a Trial of Refusal because you are stupid, your Clan is stupid, the Truce is stupid, and your face is stupid." Even though that was the real reason they wanted the trial.

The Clan loss at Tukayyid shamed them deeply and in their face-driven culture they couldn't go directly after it, only the guy who was going to enforce it.

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>>51145099
No, a wide variety, but I am not jumping on that.
Now back to the robit show!
Why do we have an Albatross but no Dodo bird? Or is there? I need to know these things!

>>51140924
> and maybe a regiment smaller
They shrank during the Trinity Alliance. It was the Canopians that inexplicably pulled regiments out of asses.

>>51141190
Not going to get that when the MoC has patrons, Capellan space magic and the WoB are bad guys.
Maybe if Medron had obsessed over the MoC and sperged about it on the OF.

>>51144382
You sound slightly retarded. If you want to take it to /pol/ maybe we should, since you don't seem to know anything.

>>51145099
kys faggot

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>>51145894

Dark Age madness Albatross when?

I know the Republic went full SHUT IT DOWN but Irian is a League world again now.

>>51146387
No reason the nuFWL would deign to build a WoB design made for the Fake Captain-General.

>>51146888

Flagship design of the Knights of the Inner Sphere though.

Very easy to spin as resurrecting their legacy while also pissing on that of the Blakists.

And re-opening a line is easier than switching to something else.

>>51146387

>Irian is a League world again now.

Was the aim of GOLDEN DAWN to keep the League divided and seize most of their military capability?

If so, it seems like it back fired in the long run.

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Does someone have context for the claimed Victor Musical Industries designs on Sarna?

They note the IICs and Com Star book mechs to be made by them and they have pictures to go along with it.
>http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_Victor_Musical_Industries,_Inc.
However, they also claim they've made a bunch of other shit on the text-only page but there's no art to go with them and those mechs tend to look like crap compared to what Japanese tend to put out.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Victor_Musical_Industries,_Inc.

Is the art for these simply lost or did someone just lump all out of house designs along with the Japanese stuff?

>>51147395
Maybe. But the KotIS are dead and probably aren't coming back with the Knights of the Sphere around.

Honestly when I first read "Ghost War" I assumed the Republic's knights were descended of the KotIS. It would have made sense. I guess Stone just made up his own Sphere knights though.

>>51148382

>did someone just lump all out of house designs along with the Japanese stuff?

Basically this. After being screwed so many times with the Hasbro stuff they decided to use only art they were dead certain they had all the rights to and which couldn't be challenged.

VMI wasn't even hinting at being an issue or anything, they just wanted absolute surety.

Which sucks, some of them looked good. We also lost the Behemoth/Stone Rhino.

>>51148144
I know it's petty but fuck that Rousset-Marik bitch for betraying the League and double fuck her for sending that pissy message to Corrine Marik.
>lol I wanna help the league because I hate uncle tommy. Actually fuck 'em all now, I'm #stonemissile now xD

>>51148400

The new FWL could use some symbols of unity. The Knights were always well-regarded and were one of the earliest casualties of the WoB when they attacked the League.

Reforming the Knights of the Inner Sphere could be a powerful gesture.

Mostly I just want a crazier Albatross.

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>>51148427
Oh, I know that.
I'm just asking if the VMI page I linked over there really contains VMI designs and they're simply lacking the pictures or some overenthusiastic wikiperson wrote all the non-Anime unseens in there, regardless if they were by VMI or not.

And yes, Behemoth's not much of a Monster.
FASA did steal a bit art here and there but they went overboard with the unseen deal.

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>>51144471
>Increase the base design to 50 tons, give it full armour, Endo and Ferro and two fixed DHS with 21 tons of podspace. That way you can have the Prime with two PPCs, 3 ER Mediums, a TC and 15 DHS.

There was a design challenge way the hell back in 2016 that asked for something similar, but it was for a second-line garrison unit rather than an Omni. My design looks a lot like that, completely by coincidence, but the request was for a "medium", so I went 55 tons.

>>51148554

>steal

They went and got the liscences from a company they thought had the image and mini rights. When it got to court the judge ruled in gavour of Hasbro though.

I'm also not sure what you're asking.

From the first link the ones on a white background are from the original TR 3055. The ones on black are from the ComStar SB.

The second just lists all the VMI visuals with links to the pages for the 'Mechs. In all the ones I had a look at the VMI designs were featured at the top of the page and then reseens further down..

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>>51148554

I love that picture of the Jenner IIc! It's one of my all-time favourites.

There are also these ladz (like >>51148382).

>>51148675
>They went and got the liscences from a company they thought had the image and mini rights. When it got to court the judge ruled in gavour of Hasbro though.

I'm talking about the non-licensed stuff. Not really a big deal to me, it just gives some context as to why FASA acted so harshly after going through their legal stuff to sort it out with HG and Hasbro over Macross.

One of the Wolf's Dragoons books has a mech from Mosapeda in it, for instance.
Can't remember which but it was some anon who posted it so, you should be able to find out more if you're into it.

ANYWAY
The second page lists all of the Battletech game designs for the old Jap computer as well as NES, but it also lists mechs like Stone Rhino who do not really have any source linking them to VMI despite the page clearly stating so.

>>51148440

Evidently her own grandson didn't agree with her.

I believe Thaddeus Marik went on to help found a new League that would attempt to retake much of what it had lost under Jessica Marik.

To be honest, a lot of the Republic's earlier actions towards the Confederation and League-Remnants leaves me with little sympathy toward the Republic in the Dark Age.

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Noob here. I've just bought Risk 2210 AD and it comes with a shitload of mechs. Has anyone tried playing Battletech with them?

A little off-topic, but this seems like the best place to ask. I am a GM who wishes to run an Alt-History campaign set during World War 1 wherein dieselpunk mecha were employed alongside power armor and other fantastical tools of warfare. However, I am having trouble finding a system that has rules for the ideas I have in mind.

What would you gentlemen recommend for a core to build around?

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>>51150463
>I am a GM who wishes to run an Alt-History campaign set during World War 1 wherein dieselpunk mecha were employed alongside power armor and other fantastical tools of warfare.

Sucker Punch?

>German doctors and engineers have worked out to return their fallen to the front lines. They're using steam power and clockworks to keep 'em moving. So don't feel bad about killing them. They're already dead.

>>51150995
I guess. Never saw the film as I heard it was an absolute dumpster fire, and I wouldn't necessarily make the Germans the "bad guys." Where I derived my inspiration is neither here nor there, however, and I just need a system with which to run it.

>>51134065
Those look great, where'd you get them anon?

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>>51151060
>I guess. Never saw the film as I heard it was an absolute dumpster fire

You're lucky, then. What are the odds you'd run across its only fan in the western hemisphere... here in /btg/ of all places?!?

It's not gonna win any awards, but it is fun to watch. Amber even has a mech suit in WWI similar to what you describe (pic related).

>I wouldn't necessarily make the Germans the "bad guys."

They're only the bad guys in the WWI fantasy. Baby and the girls face giant samurai statues, a horde of orks, and futuristic robots in other scenes.

>Where I derived my inspiration is neither here nor there, however, and I just need a system with which to run it.

Is this for a character-driven RPG, or are we talking about tabletop miniatures warfare? Either way, I swear I've seen some of this kind of stuff show up in /tg/'s occasional PDF-sharing threads.

Paolo Parente's "Dust" sounds a lot like what you have in mind, but it's set during an alternate WWII, so about 25 years too late. Same with DP9's Gear Krieg.

>>51151393
Character driven RPG. I need another miniatures war game like I need a hole in the head.

As for being too early, all those would need is a fresh coat of paint and a little bit of homebrewing once I figure out the mechanics.

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I'm not gonna lie to ya, ladz... it's a slow day in /btg/!

>>51152459
More pencil art! Neat!

>>51152459
>Clannerscum
>Clannerscum everwhere

Would the Republic have stepped in and stopped the Free Worlds League from reforming if it had happened before the current times?

>>51148458
Could be. I just don't see it happening.

>>51148887
Yeah I don't think many folks have much sympathy for the RotS.

>>51152920
Maybe.

I often wonder how different the Republic era might have been if (aside from the fact WizKids did it from the start) the League had survived the Jihad whole.

>>51153036

Well, I find it questionable if GOLDEN DAWN would have went as smoothly as it did were they fighting a cohesive League military.

But together with the Confederation, they could have proved a lovely counter-balance to the Entente between the Republic, Lyrans and Suns.

>>51153036

The Republic would possibly have had two hostile states on their borders versus only one.

A post Jihad League might have also been able to capitalize on technologial gains made the Blakist as (perhaps) worlds that housed their advanced infrastructure and factories would have came out of the conflict in tact.

>>51153385
A second League-Confederation detente would have been funny.

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can anyone tell me what rulebook this image is copy pasta'd from?

>>51156460
Pretty sure it's fan-shit, because the only nukes you can chuck with arty are Crockett-Ms. Also it doesn't have glorious AMW master race

also,
>fighter-launched AShM is Tomahawk
>not Harpoon
[REEEEEEES INTERNALLY]

>>51156460
It's fanmade
>>51156551
>also,
>fighter-launched AShM is Tomahawk
>not Harpoon
>[REEEEEEES INTERNALLY]
[Angry GDW Noises]

>>51156460

Not a rulebook, I wrote it. I wanted there to be more granularity with rules because especially in space they escalate from "will probably gank most things" to "will gank everything" with no middle ground.

We were discussing nukes here last year when I did it.

Official rules are in IntOps.

>>51156916

Also Jesus Christ I needed to have proof-read that better.

Or use it as the basis of an application to CGL as a freelancer, one of the two.

One of my players punked me today. He wanted to play a Clan character in my upcoming 3020s Taurian Concordat campaign, and to my chagrin he actually made a decent concept. His idea is to play one of the Clan Wolf scientists transferred over to the Dragoons during their last supply run. A pretty miserable guy, who is profoundly pissed off at being volunteered because he's been separated from his secret lady love. After a few years of stewing over it, he absconds with technical data and knowledge /anybody/ would kill over. He's hooking up with the PC mercs in an attempt to throw off WolfNet who are hot on his heels coz they don't know why he left, just that he did and he's got stuff in his head that CAN'T come out.

Not a bad concept if I say so myself.

To any of the poor souls still playing MWO, Living Legends is back and Battletech is on the way.

>>51136549
So is this what it's like if you defect to the Combine?

>>51136549
Yes.

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What's your favorite 55-ton mech?

>>51159158
You just posted it.

>>51157942
Huh. That does actually work. It even makes sense why he'd go to the Concordat; it's periphery, so Wolfnet is weak there, and there's the fact that the clans probably (certainly *should*) hate the place, so they wouldn't figure it likely as a place for a clanner to hide out

>>51157942

Aside from being a Clanner, that's a good backstory. See if you can talk him out of that part - because it's shit - and you'll have a character you can really work with.

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>>51148823
>but it also lists mechs like Stone Rhino who do not really have any source linking them to VMI despite the page clearly stating so.

The source would be the pages of TRO 3055 itself which state the 2nd line Clan designs to be VMI, the same as the IICs, even if the art was western.

I dunno about them being unused concepts for the PC-98/X68K MW ports specifically, but I always figured they only had roughs which is why the art was done by the usual artists of the time.

Though there are some resemblances visible, the Galahad definitely looks Rifleman-y, and the layout of the Behemoth is such it could have been a rejected Marauder concept, and both the Vixen and Goshawk could have been potential Pixies.

So painting question here. Is there a special technique or trick for painting tiger stripes or any sort of camo stripes? Or is it just do it all individually and have a steady hand?

>>51159158

RIght now, that. Still in pre-clan tech, and the all-around nature is really handy.

Also digging the purple and white paint scheme.

>>51157942
I like the concept, but the character seems extremely vulnerable to River Tam syndrome, where the special shit in their head is a plot driver that vastly outstrips what any other character in the party can do

>>51157942

I'd still say no.

Running to the TC rahtr than ComStar doesn't make any sense.

Then again my group has a That Guy we can't get rid of. I was doing a Hunter: The Reckoning game where everyone else was playing everyman characters. Carpenter, car salesman, the most outrageous was one guy who wanted to be a physics professor.

That Guy: "Can I be a ninja?"
Me: "No."
That Guy: "Can I be a rally car driver?"
Me, realising this is the least insane character concept he's ever wnted to play: "... fine."

But hey. If your group is OK with Star Lord 2: Periphery Edition then what anyone else thinks doesn't matter. Go have fun.

>>51160159

It does seem snowflake-y, yeah.

>>51159818

I guess you could try using masking tape and a spray gun if you have it. Or using a fine-point pen. But a small brush and patience is probably the most common approach.

>>51148440
>fuck that Rousset-Marik bitch

ma nigga

>>51152920
probably

>>51154126
>>51153385
>>51153036
The Lyrans are probably still dumb enough to try the Wolf thing, except they get BTFO - because apparently, a Clan and a House had a hard enough time vs the MSC to make the Wolves decide they were better off explosively renegotiating their deal.

>>51159818
You don't even need a steady hand, since tiger stripes, imo, should be a bit wavy.

>>51159158
I kind of have soft spots for the Dervish, Grim Reaper, and Wolverine.

>>51157942
>>51160159
I feel like just being a clanner is a good enough reason to be on the run and hiding out, without giving something they can use to leverage the entire setting

Does anyone think BTech would be better off with twice as many factions as it has now, with each of them possessing smaller areas of influence and with more total borders among them? Sometimes the Great Houses seem to ungainly to me.

>>51160567
>Does anyone think BTech would be better off with twice as many factions as it has now, with each of them possessing smaller areas of influence and with more total borders among them? Sometimes the Great Houses seem to ungainly to me.
Yeah, I agree with you, though having one or two larger powers, more like the current successor state size, but also like 10 in the St.Ives/TC-3050 CapCon range, and about the 3025 number of smaller periphery states and bandit kingdoms

>>51160567

In an abstract sense maybe but then you run into what the authors can handle.

Which is basically "The plot for this era focuses on Factions X and Y. Faction X are retards, Faction Y beats up on them for a while, then Faction Y stops because we don't want actual changes in the setting so major powers are allowed to die. Meanwhile Factions A, B, and C do shit off camera but literally none of it matters."

It could work, but only with (much) better writers.

>>51160567
I was just thinking the other day about adding 3-4 more along the Z-axis, so that the IS is actually a sphere instead of a disc.

The hard part for BT would be making a unique identity for them. Or just make some more Spacescots, I suppose...

>>51160651
That could work, though the issue of resource and military dominance becomes somewhat amplified when you have two powers that are twice the size of all the other larger ones. I do miss all the little bandit kingdoms and whatnot though.

>>51160696
Point taken. Though, at this point I think most writers are better than CGL writers. In fact, I don't think any company that's ever been behind the helm of the Battletech IP has ever had really good writing. Or good enough writing to handle that many more factions.

Though, if the Clans never happened but the number of factions was kept the same as it was post-Invasion... I dunno, that doesn't really sound like too much. It would have been interesting if the Clans were one big blob were that the case, with each Clan specializing in a different form of combat (Snow Raven = Aero, Wolf = skirmishers, Ghost Bear = Elementals, Jade Falcon = brawlers, Smoke Jags = assault/siege, etc). Of course, keep the internal squabbling. That made them at least somewhat interesting. And, the plus is that would kinda riff/callback to the Zentradi, in a way.

>>51160836
>making a unique identity for them

I mean, they can't even figure out what the FWL is...

>>51160836
The main issue here is getting people to think in 3D like that, and publishing easy to read maps on paper. It's far from impossible, but it's not as straightforward. I had always assumed that the Inner Sphere was shaped more like a lumpy hockey puck in that it was a flat cylinder that went from the top to the bottom of its spot on the galactic arm it sits on, and the shape we see is just everything mushed into a pancake for ease. Though that doesn't explain why everything is a cylinder, especially the Terran corridor and the March space. You'd think those would be contained within the Great House "blobs".

>>51160836
>Not making them Space Aussies and Canadians
C'mon Muninn, who wouldn't want the HPG channels to be full to the brim with shitposting?

>>51160865

But anon, they did.

It was a side show to the FedSuns and CapCon :^)

>>51160881

I know it's not BT but I've always envisioned Catachan as being Space Australia.

"Holy shit, all the animals are trying to kill you and all the plants are toxic!"
"Yeah, mate. It's what drew our ancestors here. Reminded them a lot of home. Now pass me the beer and minds the Barking Toad."

>>51160848
>That could work, though the issue of resource and military dominance becomes somewhat amplified when you have two powers that are twice the size of all the other larger ones.
Well, my thinking was that they'd border each other and generally have their hands full with that, so that any attempt to mess with the smaller powers too much would open the door for the other to whip up on them

>>51161106
As long as they were CC or TC sized, yeah, that might work. Several of the subfactions that make up the FWL are also of appropriate size, if I recall.

>>51161120
I was thinking of the two big guys as between the 3025 FWL and CC in size, with the largest minor power being 3054s CapCon sized, the second being 3058 TC sized and the rest around 3025 TC to St.Ives in size.

>>51161120
>>51161166
And yeah, the various FWL subfactions were about the right size in my thinking for this

>>51159158
Shadow Hawk.

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>>51148823
>One of the Wolf's Dragoons books has a mech from Mosapeda in it, for instance.
>Can't remember which but it was some anon who posted it so, you should be able to find out more if you're into it.

>>51160881
Isn't there a Space Canada already? There's Kanata in the FWL for one.

In fact, there are multiple planets in just the FWL that lend to some odd theories on space population transfers. Anegasaki? A large Japanese population who look at the Combine and go "oh shit senpai what you doing?" Newcastle? Space Geordies. Sackville? Like Towne, but colonised by a Tolkien fan instead of a Robert E. Howard fan. Second Chance? What happened to the first one?

>>51136549
Ironically, the Regulans picked up the most WoBM at the end of the war. They hated the Manei Domini and the WoB to death, to the point that Lester still goes into total genocide mode whenever he gets wind of surviving WoB in the DA, but they actually had a soft spot for the coreworlders and the old FWLM who went WoB.

The Republic and Maril-Stewart picked up the rest IIRC.

>>51161166
>between 3025 FWL and CC in size

I mean...the FWL is way bigger than the CC even then.

>>51160567
No. The feudal nature of the Great Houses means they're all essentially a bunch of nominally-aligned smaller factions already.

You'd just be doing Rasalhague or St. Ives all over again.

>>51161899
I meant more like an average of the two, like. I'm severely mangled by a fifth of WT 101 for a buddy's engagement, so I'm sorry if I'm not quite making sense here and there

>>51161675
Oh, almost forgot another fun thing I remembered about Lester.

>Jessica falseflags a WoB attack so she can distract him and attack Marik-Stewart without repercussions from Regulus
>Lester figures it out
>Has her two oldest children murdered as payback

Even in the 3130's, Regulans gonna Regulan.

Compared to the wannabe 2nd Coming of Grayson Carlyle, the Clanner Scientist in Never Forgotten Love is small potatoes. His skill set and knowledge won't be much help when the inevitable attempt to upgrade the Taurian technology base happens. Drop a modern Samsung cellphone designer into a 1950s Renault car plant and watch the hilarity ensue.

As for the Taurian Concordat being the last place Wolfnet has resources in, c'est pas possible mon frère. The Wolf Dragoons have a business relationship in buying arms equipment from the Concordat and it's also where they hid their Warship fleet. I think Wolfnet will have a presence, of at least an agent with some ability around.

>>51162338
Exactly. Just because somebody is good with some tech doesn't give them a blank check for all tech. In fact, the more advanced, the more specific and pidgeon-holed people tend to become in their knowledge.

This does remind me of that funny argument from Target of Opportunity though between the Comstar guys.

"Who the hell do you think you are? I'm fifth generation Comstar. My father was Demi-Precentor before me. I practically grew up in this control room. I could tell you the efficiency of the HPG core just by the SOUND it made!"

"And yet you still can't fix it without me, faggot."

Sucks all those guys were dead less than six years later. Well, except that supreme autist Tucker. Fucking Tucker...

I've been playing around with Megameklab and I was wondering about how best to use C3 computers? I think it would be cool to have a combat vehicle force built around C3 computers

>>51162052
There's still a hint of basedness to the Regulans.

Hah third dude sent in his ideas that pretty much make his character Medron Before Medron. Pass. Kid doesn't realize I played with Medron back in the day.

Fourth and fifth peeps are making Magistracy origin mercs as far as I know.

>>51162478

C3 is not worth it if you are balancing by BV.

If you are not balancing the game by BV it may be worth it.

This may change with the BT manual because Xotl indicated he was going to argue for a BV reduction but we will have to wait and see.

For now, skip the C3 and just upgrade your skills instead. Especially on vees, unless it's a fast-moving VTOL, WIGE or Hover and you're worried about side-slipping because you GOTTAGOFAST just up those gunnery skills since they're what matters.

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>>51152592
>More pencil art! Neat!

I've heard most of this stuff (except this one, I know for certain) is in the booru, but damn, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. There are a dozen keywords leading to the half-finished Battlemaster sketch, but all the others are scattered here and there.

>>51163463
Yeah I and a few others are working on it as best as we can in our spare time. There was a massive influx of art put in within the last day or so, so the total pics are over 10,000 or some such. I try to add the tag for pencil art or something when I run across them.

>>51131080
If your making a solama unit fill it up with clan battlemechs. I don't know which ones are from cjf specifically but you should consult the MUL

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>>51159661
The Galahad is definitely an abandoned Rifleman concept.
The dome gives it up above all else, since that was a thing they added to game's final rifleman.

The comments about unused concepts were added by me, since it makes sense and it's impossible to sort it out today, anyway.

>>51159158
Wolverine first, then Hunchback, Ice ferret, Griffin, both Blackjacks and Omni Firestarter

>Hunchback, Ice ferret, both Blackjacks and Omni Firestarter
>55 tons

wat

>>51159158

Wraith or Wolverine-7K for IS, Stooping Hawk for Clan.

>>51159158
The Griffin, followed by the Wolverine-7M and -7K. The Shad would benefit from a little bulk-up diet, but I still use the -2K sometimes. The Dervish... every time I play them they have this almost Crud-esque habit of exiting stage left in a giant fireball.

>>51164125
Sorry I misread, thought he meant all the mediums
Wolverine still my answer, I love the dude so much

>>51164928
Try this the next time you take a Dervish
>Hotload the LRM's
>Load the SRM's with infernos
Then drive it like a madman.

Oddly, I have really good luck with Cruds for some reason. I always get a funny look from my opponent when I drop an old 3R on the table but it pulls its weight almost every time.

>>51164970
Not who you replied to, but that sounds so dangerously fun.
I gotta try.

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>Watching Starship Troopers OVA.
>Actually followed the story of the book, absolutely nothing like the movie.
>Those ships.

Is Starship Troopers where Battletech got the Overlord dropships from?
I mean, the BA is obviously from there, being the grand-daddy of all power armors, but the OVA dates to '88 which is a little bit after BTech had begun its journey.

>>51159158
>What's your favorite 55-ton mech?

an Awesome that has had both arms and about half of its torso shot off and is still stomping around kicking things to death

>>51165972
I don't know about that. The guys who made BT obviously knew a bit about some aspects of the big robot anime industry of Japan in the early 1980s. In that MOSPEADA is referenced with the Legios transformable fighter ending up in the Spider and the Wolf book. With that, if they saw the Legios, it's a pretty good idea they saw the battle armor from MOSPEADA which transforms into a motorcycle.
With this, since they got mechs from Macross, the same company that did Macross also did Southern Cross, which one mech from that series, a helicopter (I think) that turns into a mech also ends up in Spider and the Wolf shows up. In Southern Cross is a lot of individual in personal battle armor.
It's a pretty safe bet they had some idea of what they wanted to do long before then.
Now we need BA that turns into a motorcycle in BT. FUND IT! If we can have silly ass mechs with treads, why not, just for silliness' sake? They probably won't be very combat viable if someone makes up some stats for it, but they might be fast scouts that might be able to take an SRM round or two. Whatever.

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>>51166028
>they always forget the small laser

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>>51165972
Dropships have been in a ton of old scifi. The concept of shuttling things from a ship in orbit is as old as spaceships. Also, Dropships and Jumpships came out in early 1988 and the Overlord came from the OG TRO:3025 in '86. Might even have a mention earlier, but I'd have to check.

>>51166044
There's a Cyclone in some old battletech book but it's just an example of a pre-BA battlesuit. I can't remember where. Also, the OG Falconer is the Orgus. I think that was also in the Spider and the Wolf. It was in Battletechnology for sure.

>>51166118
*Falcon Hawk

>>51166118
>OG Falconer is the Orgus
I guess you mean the "gerwalk" mode of the Orguss?
That show had some nice designs

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>>51166284
Well we could have had other walking crotches like the Locust if FASA decided to plunder Orguss some more.

>>51166118
Of course dropships were here long before that.
It's just the design was the same so I wasn't exactly sure whether it's been like that in the books or the movie and BTech took inspiration from some other similar sources.

>>51166044
>>51166118
>>51166329
Unpopular opinion time, but I think the original BT mech designs are 10x better than the anime ones. Most of the anime ones honestly look dumb. Grogs and weebs may disagree, but the TROs have only been getting better.

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>>51159158
Gandalf/Stormcrow

3025 era

Why would anyone ever take any Centurion over any Hunchback? Is there any advantage to the Centurion I am missing?

>>51166621
Mobility, more diverse loadout. Centurion moves faster, and has a wider range for shooting, what with either a Gauss or AC/10 paired with LRMs and lasers. Hunchback is basically a short-ranged Hollander, a 'mech built around a very large gun, built for a specific purpose.

>>51166571
>look dumb
>have only been getting better

Have you seen the disaster that was TRO:3060 and the original early 2000's DA designs? The anime stuff blended in just fine with the originals in their eras anyway.

But I guess the real comparison would be TRO:PP that was supposed to replace the anime stuff with modern versions and how bad that was.

>>51166621
Range, range and range.

>>51166665
>Centurion moves faster,
They are both 4 / 6 / 0

>>51166672
HBK-4H and 4N just seem like straight upgrades of the CN9-A with no trade off

>>51166738
You said hunchback, not swayback. The reason then becomes swaybacks are pretty uncommon.

Also, actually drive a 4N sometime. It's an undergunned piece of junk. The 4H misses out on the Centurion's missile rack as well and is more akin to an Enforcer with a better laser array.

>>51166826
Lacks JJs like the enforcer though.
Personally I really like LLs in 3025, but yea it's got it out gunned for a brawl big time.

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>>51166571
Orguss or Mosapeda aren't exactly the high points of Japanese robot designs.
That's why no one outside of that tiny few fans and Battletech people don't even know they exist, Japanese sure forgot anything aside form Macross even existed back then.
But they're the not so great 80s kind of funny. The kind of funny which builds the whole appeal to most of the Battletech.

I'm designing a mercenary campaign for my friends who are new to battletech, starting in 3025 (no lostech)

I was going to have them choose a medium mech to start with, was wondering what you think of this list. Any I should take off or add? Looking for a diverse selection.

BJ-1
CN9-A
CN9-AL
ENF-4R
CRB-20
SHD-2H
WVR-6R
GRF-1N

>>51167346
You might want the M version of the Wolverine, and I think there might be an S version of the Griffin that will give you better hit capabilities. But then again I hate to lose.

>>51167375
Be forewarned if you decide to use the griffin s variant, it has some problems with heat that the original doesn't have.

>>51167375
those are both faction specific variants though, not really available to a new merc company

>>51167346
As an unabashed lover of the big gun, how about the Hunchback-4G and that Centurion with the AC/20 (the... AH?) Other than that, it's a solid list of Merc introtech.

>>51159158
GLADIATOR

>>51167488
Neither is a Crab despite TRO:3039 screwed up numbers.

>more Crab 20's puttering around the IS in 3039 than Clints
Absolutely disgusting.

>>51167649
GLD-5R SPECIFICALLY

>>51167346
Offer them some benefit to taking the shad cause it's a POS?

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What are the old standby lights, mediums and heavies for the Lyrans?
I know their rep is all assaults, but I'm curious how their spread of other weight mechs are.

I can the Commando is one of their lights, and the Griffin probably their common medium.

Curious about iconic/common Marik mechs too.

>>51167488
But ma mary sues!!!!!

>>51167346
The list looks good.

Out of all those, the crab is the clear best choice. Fast enough, enough heatsinks to run it's weapons, no chance of ammo explosions, no worries about running out of ammo.

>>51167649
>>51167690
GLD-4R is great in introtech era as well.

>>51167784
Commando/Firestarter/Bugs
Phawks/Griffins
Thuds (the GIMUNDO Hesperus line)/Mads/Warhammers/Rifleman

>Marik
They make a ton of stuff but I'll cut it down

Spider iconic light
Treb iconic medium
Orion iconic heavy
Awesome iconic assault

>>51167958
Don't the FWL also make a significant amount of Hunchies as well?

>>51168093
They've got a ton of iconic mediums. I just picked the number 1.

Hermes II/Cicada/Vulcan/Hunchback/WoverineM/Phawk LAM

>>51168142
Whoa, they have a bunch of PHawk LAMs?

>>51167784
>What are the old standby lights, mediums and heavies for the Lyrans?

Light = Zeus
Medium = Highlander
Heavy = Hauptmann
Assault = Fafnir

Commando is considered infantry and Griffin is power armor in the LAAF

>>51168179
They're the only successor state to have a pure LAM battalion as of 3025. It's because they had massive parts warehouses from the original Phawk LAM development project.

Kurita comes in number 2 LAM-wise because they still manufactured new Stinger LAM's. They just didn't cluster them up the same way. They used them more for DEST type shenanigans.

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>>51168227

>>51168227
>t. Thomas Hogarth

>>51148677

I still have that CD-ROM on my shelf.

Played Mechwarrior 1 for months before realizing there was a storyline starting on New Avalon

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Reminder that information is ammunition.

Post minis pls, I need paint job ideas for the many many unpainted mechs I have

>>51168546
I can't tell you how sad I was when I got into TT battle tech and found the mauler is awful.

>>51166571
I wouldn't go that radical, but I have short thrift for weebnards who want to play with nothing but those mechs 30 years later. A lot of the first ones they nicked off the Nips are just bad. And LAMs are the worst. I'm just glad other transforming silliness didn't make it in.

>>51168565

inb4
>not a mauler

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>>51168565

We can fix it, anon.

We can fix it.

>>51169443
Reminds me a bit of the Kurtian one, but doesn't suck.

I'm trying to come up with a fluffy primarily CV-based merc unit in the Introtech-Clan Invasion era, and I was wondering what sort of vehicles they would have?

I'm thinking S-series hovertanks, Vedettes,Ontoses, missile carriers, and Demolishers?

Would Manticores, Von Luckners, and Schreck PPC Carriers be too high end?

>>51162338
>and it's also where they hid their Warship fleet.
Hold the fucking phone, wat?

>>51169611

The Mauler is Kuritan though.

Now I'm confused.

>>51169715

Vedettes are the Bugs and Archer of the vee world. Most vees lore-wise are Vedettes.

Of course, monoculture battalions of Vedettes are fucking boring so feel free to go nuts.

I think Von Luckners and Shrekts are on the high end but if this is an older unit that has been plying their tank trade for a long time they'll have had some opportunities to pick things up. The Manticore seems widely available if not overly common.

To your list I would add VTOLs and fighters for recon and bombing runs. Also some Long Tom IIIs if you can get them.

>>51169740

He might be confusing the WD fleet with the Tirpitz or something.

AFAIK the location of the Dragoon cache was never stated but it's out past the edge of the Sphere somewhere.

>>51169950
You are right, I'm retarded, I meant the 1k. With the snubbies.

>>51169950
How about the Ontos? I like the swayback, so the idea of a tracked Swayback is appealing, but the armor seems lacking.

>>51170227

Energy weapons and ICE doesn't mix too well.

Honestly I'd just take a Demolisher. Damage is more concentrated that way. I guess the LRMs have some utility with Thunders, anti-infantry rounds or smoke but it's the MLs you're relying on.

>>51168227
Highlander is Capellan

>>51167649
I had a successful DFA, my literally only one ever, in a Gladiator-4R. Crushed a bug under my feet (a Stinger I think it was). God damn it felt good.

>>51170227
Only if you can dig up one of the SFE models. The ICE version is really bad

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>>51169715
One of the best bang-for-your-buck artillery vehicles is the LRM Carrier/Heavy LRM Carrier. The latter throws out 4 score LRMs per round, with 8 tons of ammo feeding it -- meaning you can have both different rounds available *and* have sufficient ammunition to sustain barrages until combat is over.

>>51171499
How common are Rhinos? They seem really disgusting in the sense of an LRM carrier that has to be pounded into submission, instead of disappearing the first time someone sneezes at them.

Guys I'm afraid for Battletech. I don't want 2017 to be the year this game goes away...

>>51171881
It's pretty much the strongest it's been in over a decade

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51171881
>...
Please go die. No (You)s for you. Two new IPs in 2017 and that is just scratching the surface.

>>51170227
Ontos LRM is good, Ontos refitted with MCLs EVERYWHERE/a handful of LCLs is murder on treads.

It's a typical example of the gunbrick that a lot of FWL heavy/assault vees are (all gun, minimal armor)

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>>51171704
Optional Ost for the true believers.

>>51171426

It's Inner Sphere General.

>>51172149
I thought IP would refer to Battletech as a whole?
(although I think I agree with your message, BT aint going anywhere, much less in 2017)

>>51168565

Whats wrong with it exactly?

Is it the movement profile or something?

>>51171704
Has anyone actually bought the Ostscout mini yet? If so, is it a good one? Same questions for the new Shad.

>>51173776
It wastes an enormous amount of tonnage on mounting four AC/2s, arguably the worst weapon in the game when the mauler came out, and uses single heat sinks instead of doubles

>>51173939

Whats wrong with the AC/2?

>>51174116
It does 2 damage and weighs 6 tons, 7 with ammo.

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>>51174230
I will never have a light weight AA tank like the ZSU 23-4 in battletech.
Why live?

>>51174304
Use LB/2X, less tonnage and better range and cluster flak

>>51174448
You're still talking about a pretty heavy tank though.

>>51174448
LB2s weigh the same as the standard AC2.

>>51174230

What are you supposed to be shooting at with them?

In the 3060s and early Jihad, what assault dropships and pocket warships do the Free Worlds have available?

>>51150463
You could use Only War but that would require a lot of work to replace all the lore-based elements.
However, it fits WW1's archaic style of warfare and tech.

Your next best bet would probably be Gurps,
because if it exists, there's a Gurps supplement for it.

>>51173939
Mauler has doubles, but it doesn't have enough of them. It's another instance of a 3050 mech that uses ERLLs when it would be better off with standard ones.

>>51175129
Absolutely or PPCs or quad MPLs ... it's got the range from the AC2. ERLLs are kinda just a waste on it.

I'm half tempted to build one and keep the AC2s seeing how much unfucking you can do.

Anyone else down to try?

>>51175129
Durr. Guess I got it mixed up with the other lousy 3050 assault of theirs

What would a typical Hell's Horses combined arms force look like?
Specifically around 3050?

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>>51175364
And can omni vehicles carry elementals?

>>51171778

METAL BOXES! THE COWARDS! THE FOOLS!

It's OK in its role. Better armour and speed than the standard LRM Carrier, which can be critical.

Apparently it's everywhere but ironically for your purposes, very rare in merc units.

>>51174855

According to the MUL, just the Leopard-PW.

As if the plot wasn't a big enough slap in the face.

>>51175405

>and speed

I thought the lore said it was among the slowest of vehicles ever built?

>>51174304
Partisan AA, my friend.

>>51175364

Too many tanks to talk about. Have a look at the MUL.

Front-line forces will have Clan-built tanks including the Epona with some of the better SL ones like the Alacorn. Second-liners will mostly have SL tanks.

>>51175381

Yes.

>>51175197
The AC/2s give it range, but not the damage. And the PPCs wouldn't be much better on the heat front, and then you have the issue of making the weight for them.

About the only way to unfuck the Mauler without ditching the AC/2s would be standard LLS and dropping to LRM-10s. When statting the Daboku they did a good job of retroactively giving the Mauler 3050 upgrade syndrome.

>>51175459
>Partisan AA, my friend.
I know, but it's 80 freaking tons! No lightweight AA tanks with quad guns.

In preparation for later...
New thread
>>51175497

>>51175490
Can you fix the mauler with light ac2's?

>>51175197

The quad A/C-2s are one of the key things that fuck it over.

The ER LLs and lack of enough DHS don't help either.

It's why I went with a pair of PPCs and 4 MLs on the version I posted before. Still matches the art, looses 1 hex of meaningful range since the plinking is pointless, gains armour, HSes, C3, and a SFE.

>>51175433

It goes 3/5. A lot of bigger tanks go that fast.

I was also thinking LRM Carriers went 2/3 like the Behemoth but was wrong.

>>51175433
Fluff aside, it is the exact same speed as the standard LRM Carrier. It is a bit faster than the Heavy LRM Carrier though.

>>51175459
Nothing lightweight about the Partisan except the armor.

It is actually possible to make a more lightweight AA vehicle now, take a Partisan, swap for LAC/2s, add an XL and HFF, and you can reduce to 40 tons and 4/6 with an armor factor of 158. Doesn't hit as hard, but tougher and faster and slightly cheaper on BV. Though for punch you could then just yank the LAC/2s and replace them with Arrow IV and three tons of ADA.

>>51175522

It gets you 8 tons.

It'll help, but now you have 4 LACs as the basis of your weapon system so good luck with that.

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>>51175717
I gotchu senpai.

>>51175405
>According to the MUL, just the Leopard-PW.

Wow, really?

It always surprised me the League didn't build the Overlord. They did seem the spacer nation.

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>>51175522
It would help. I've fiddled with that, and with condensing them into a single RAC/2 before, in both instances I addressed durability issues more than heat issues though.

>>51175741
This is great, except for the lasers still being ER

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>>51175924

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>>51175935
I like ERLLs, mainly. Not enough designs use them.

>>51175850
I guarantee the MUL is wrong