Can the Imperium at its peak, with the Emperor and the Primarchs,

>>51082516
Well, if I remember my Lore correctly.....

The Precursor-Humans managed to hold their own in a two-front war against both the Forerunners and The Flood for several centuries, and were even able to force The Flood to strategically withdraw, until the Forerunners finally managed to BTFO Precursor-Humans and then got their face smashed in by The Flood.

So.... it's "possible" that peak Imperium would be able to hold their own against the Forerunners.

The "issue" however, is a matter of scale when it comes to space-based combat between fleets. Halo ships, on average, are significantly smaller than their equivalent-class counterparts in Warhammer 40k and tend to fight in 'knife-fight' range in comparison to the 'submarines in space' that Warhammer 40k typically is, though 'knife-fight' range does happen quite often as well.

This size discrepancy, funnily enough, actually helps the forerunner ships due to the fact the smaller, on average, size combined to their potentially faster real-space speed makes using the IoM's primary ship-board weaponry against them very difficult to do at any appreciable range.

>>51082908
Wait. Do we have any evidence of how powerful Forerunner ships are? I know they had the technical power to turn matter into data and back again, but no specific ship-feats to speak of.

And what's this "small ships" meme? A Halo isn't anything to fuck with.

>>51082908
>Halo has smaller ships
>Halo
>A series named after a series of forerunner constructs that were the size of planets

Uh

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>>51083238
>>51083180

... you guys aren't familiar with the absurdity that is Warhammer 40k scale are you? I won't delve into the autistic grognard details, but the average ship in Halo is around what, 1-2km long at the largest, yeah?

The average Imperial cruiser (Lunar or Dictator variants in this case) are around 5km long, 800m abeam at the widest point, and have a crew of 95,000.

Stuff in Warhammer 40k is big. Ridiculously big. It's built on a foundation of 70s-80s BIGGER IS BETTER, DIAL TO 11 scale and metal themes.

>>51083180
Forerunner seekers can lift entire Chunks of a planets surface and drop it again. Seekers are fighter jet sized craft. Forerunner capital ships are probably magnitudes more powerful.

Regarding size, didacts ship Mantle Approach is 80 miles x 160 miles. That's quite a bit larger than any ship in the imperium.

What holds the foterunners back in a fight against the imperium is that there's no psychic powers or magic in Halo so they'd be unprepared for the Emps or psykers depicted their tech advantage.

>>51083322
That size ship is a speck to didacts ship

http://www.halopedia.org/Mantle%27s_Approach

>>51083322
>you guys aren't familiar with the absurdity that is Warhammer 40k scale are you?
No, you're just a dumb faggot who can't into reading comprehension.

I specifically was talking about the Halos. Which are gargantuan. Also, what >>51083389 said about the Didact's ship.

>>51082516
No, the Forerunner Ecumene are on another level entirely and routinely made use of completely crazy shit that renders the more impressive feats of the Imperium really, really lackluster. This is not to say the Forerunners are better written or anything, before somebody takes offence, but seriously, they were written to be completely off the wall insane in terms of tech,

>>51083451
As impressive as the forerunners are
, Silentium slowly builds up the precursos until it reveals they are full blown eldritch gods that existed before time and stars.

>>51083517
who then lost to the forerunners after they thew a bitch fit at them choosing the ancient humans over them for the mantle

>>51083441
Halos aren't ships, they're artificial words, you overblown twat.

Reading comprehension doesn't matter one lick when you can't communicate more clearly than my retarded cat.

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I don't know.

>>51083576
I think they intentionally lost as it was a new experience for them. They were functionally immortal anyway.

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>>51083587
>Ragspike Lifounderson

>>51083587
Ragli Underfoundersson

>>51083587
>Beardbeard

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>>51082516

>crossover threads
Extreme autism and I like both halo and 40k

>>51083587

>Raggoldlihill

>>51083587
>Ragkarl Spikehelm
Noice.

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>>51083587
Bolgar Runeholme

>>51082516
According to the Forerunner tiers of technological advancment, The Imperium of Man was a tier 2 civilization categorized by FTL travel/communication. Forerunners were tier 1 which is the hard cap of technology in the Halo Universe. Any tier higher is purely theoretical and is Eldritch-God level.

>>51083587
Radgood Fanhands

>>51085666
Are the Covenant also Tier 2?

>>51083587
>Wilhammer Garshield
The Legendary Blacksmith!!!

>>51083587
k

>>51083587

Fuck off faggots were actually discussing /tg shit

>>51085728

>my setting is better than yours!
>not autistic

Can't we just assume that because Forerunners can't cuck the UNSC that they don't stand a chance at cucking the Imperium?

>>51083587
Urist!

>>51083587
Bolhardt Hammerholme.

>>51085692
Yes. Humans scratch the surface of tier 2 and the covenant are only at this level due to piggybacking off of the Forerunners. To get the scale of a Tier 1 civilization, they were able to create entire planets, fully-sentient AI with the computing power to rival entire civilizations (each), and destroy all sentient life in the galaxy with 11 space stations while simultaniously saving all sentient life.
>>51085743
If the UNSC fought the Forerunners at anypoint excpt after the firing of the Halo Rings, the UNSC would have no possible way to win. In Halo 4, there was only one Forerunner ship and it was boarded by a guy with plot armor

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Crossover faggots BTFO when?

>>51085784

How would the IoM react to an AI of the capacity of Mendicant Bias?

>>51085827
I am not an expert on 40k as my knowledge of it mostly comes from AGP and Emprasque, but there would be no words describing their terror. Now compare Mendicant Bias to Offensive Bias. Outnumbered 2183:5, Offensive stood on equal footing and delayed Mendicant long enough for the Halo Array to fire

>>51085827
You mean the Void Dragon?

>>51086712
While the void dragon is a god, an AI of the level of Mendicant Bias would be able to tear the Imperium asunder. For starters, a large part of the Mechanicus would scism as Mendicant could easily be seen as a machine god. Also, no computer system would be able to withstand the computational power of a Contender Class ancila

>>51082516
From what I'e heard about the numbers of ships each use, the IoM would probably be outnumbered in space (and likely vastly outnumber the Forerunners on the ground).

The two would probably have superweapons on roughly similar power levels, though IDK about the strength of average ships. I know the UNSC MAC cannons were at one point retardedly powerful but have been nerfed, presumably any figures relating to Forerunner weapons from pre-nerf times (if we had any) have also been changed.

Also, is this supposed to be a question of what they'd be able to bring to the fight while still dealing with their various neighbors (mainly a problem for the IoM unless this is during the Forerunner war with the Humans or Flood) or do they only have to worry about each other?

>>51083587
>Durli Hammerbattle
A little over the top but I can live with it

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>>51082516
Can the Imperium at its peak, with the Emperor and the Primarchs, beat the Batman with prep time? What if he had an Iron Man armor made of vibranium?

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>>51083587
>Ragnar Firehand
By fire be purged!

>>51086916
Yes

>>51086978
What if he had more preptime?

>>51086990
Yes

>>51086934
Rolling

>>51086934
>>51087011
Rolling second time

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>>51086934

Rolled 99, 23 = 122 (2d100)

>>51087022
Rad.

Rolled 25 (1d100)

>>51086934
rollin

>>51086934
Why do you keep trying to derail this thread?

>>51086934
rollin

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>>51086934
Fuck off

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>>51086934
>it's "Thread is derailed by random tables" episode again
We could get something interesting from this one, though

>>51083587

Hagmac Fanshield

Wow that's lame.

>>51087176
Like I said, F̨̮̗̹̘ͯ̏̍͋͐ͧ̓̋̒̌̉̑͑̿̀̚͘Ū̴̵̴̡͖̻̖̙͎̻̺̼̰̍̒ͦͫͣ͛̆ͯ͊͌͆̀̿̚͜C̶̷̡̗̼͓̭͒̊͑̌̑͋ͬͫ̌̐̈̽͛̋͜Ḳ̴̴̙̘͎͔̙̟̙̮̘͈̳͙̟̺͆ͤͫ̇͟͡ ̶̷̷̙̥̹̥̘͉̪̘̯̮̺͖̗̿ͮͧ͑̿̎͆ͧ̐ͦ͑ͧ͛ͦ̐͌̀͡Ơ̢̨̘̠̗̤̲̣̱̙̥͚̙̿͂̑̈̿͞F̢̘͇̳̻̻̬̯̹͎̭͉̘̬̣ͤ̆ͧͭ̎͆̉͆́̕͝F̷ͫ̂̈́̇͗̏̓͘͏̲̟̣͉̩̰̘̥̥̦͇̫͢,̢̹̩̲̞̞̪͚̰̮͕̬̹̯̒̆̍̒̃̓̃ͯ̚̕ ̡̫͖̣͖̦̩̮͉ͣͪ́͐͛͠T̆͂ͮ͛̈́͏̡̝̻͈̳͙̗͖͕̭̺̩̩̗͍͉̠̻̰́ͅHͣ̎̃ͬͨ͗ͯ̔͂̉͗̎ͮ̅̄҉̘̹̜̪̫̖̜̯̤̜̖̫͉̰̹ͅI̢̹̥̙̤̗͙͈͎̱̫̘̱̭̻̬͉͙̍ͤ̊͊ͮ̔͌ͧSͫ̉̆̓̈́͒͏̶̧̰̱̜̝̪̰̼͙̭̝̳͈̙͈̖̟́́ ̶̦͕̱͉̤̰̹̳̗̜̺̠̟̦͎̻̣͖ͭ͗ͮ̎͒͒ͣ̽̊̈́̐͗ͩ̾ͪ̎̍̑̕S̨̙̙̹͚̩̪̱̮̳͔̖͉̣͊ͤ̊ͭͫ̔ͫ̒͆͛ͤ̀́ͮͯ̑͝E̴̿͂͌ͮ̎ͤͮ̿ͦ̉͋̆͜͟҉͕̙̹̟̝͓̲̙̻͇̯͕̟͍̫͎͈ͅR̶̯̞̫̖͓͈̰̰̜͖̺ͨͨͯ͑͌̓͝V̊͛̇́̚͝҉̙͓̬̖͓͖͍͎͎̳̤̟̙̩͎͕͜E̋̏ͬ͐͑ͧ͌͌̊҉̴̺͎̤͕͎͍̺̹̖̣S̋̑ͭ̔̈́̌̚͏̯̲͉̖ ̨̱͖̯̤͖̞͚̈ͭ̈́̋̍̅̉͛̄͐̈́̑̉͟N̶̰̮͉̥̜͓̜̳̜͕͎͈̯̣̘̩͂̂̃͊ͬ͒ͦ̽ͮ̅̋͊̃̐̆ͭ͡Ȯ͂͐̂̃̈̎̌ͬ̈́̃͗̈̓̚҉̸̖̩͚͓̖̘͘͢͟ ͎͚͓͔͍̮͍̹̂̃ͩͭ̏̓͘͠ͅP̝͙̯̩͙̥͔͔̈́̆ͮ͌̊̾͗ͩ̊ͣ̅ͫ͆ͮ͘͢U̵̬͈̳̪͎̥̳̯͙͉̝͎̍̈́ͣ͒̎̓̽͜R̉̏̎͗̓̌̽ͨ̀̂̓̄̇̎̐̊ͨ͏̡̹̹̰̬̤̖̭̼̥̼̝̠̝̝̦͚̘̥͘͘͠P̮͎̺̞̺͚͈͉͎̻̻̆̊̇ͦͫ͛̂ͣ̇͌ͪ̐́͡O̴͖̞̮͍̖̬͖̥̹͚̤͍̹͕̫̣̖̹͆̉ͬ͒̚S̡̭̤̙̙̗̻͓̻̬̹̩̮̥͍̟͉̤̰ͣ͂͌̈́͐̈́̓̔̔̌̾̍̚͘ͅE̴̸̛̥̭̦͉̯̝̥͍̣͖̦͍ͫ̓ͣ̌̄̋ͦͯ̈̀ͯ̀̚͟ͅ

>>51083587

>Wilhammer Narsmith

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>>51083587
>Hagnar Beardbrew

Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>51086934
Dice are fun

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>>51086934

please be elf

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>>51088371

well fuck

Rolled 61 (1d100)

>>51086934

rollin

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>>51083587
>Urin Beardbeard

>>51083587
Hag-Gold-in-Beard

Fantastic generator. Saved.

>>51086934
Rallin

>>51089263
Boohooohooo
Re-roll

>>51083587
The first half/second half text is in the wrong place. First half of last name has second halves in the list and second half of first name has first halves in the list.

>>51082908
The IoM and Precursor-Humans have nothing in common except that they're both Humans. To say that they have the same tech-level, culture and so on based on that is strange.

>>51083587
rolling with the might of my ancestors!

>>51083587
>Reinhardt Hammerholme
i'm keeping that one.

>>51086934
edgy shit

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>>51083587

Thorhardt Runehelm

>>51086934
Roll

>>51083587
Thorgar Hammerholme

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>>51083587
Ragin Bloodbeard

>>51083587
Bolhardt Beardstone

>>51083587
Urkarl Goldsmith

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>>51083587
>Balin Axe-Battle

>>51082516
I'm not really sure when the Empire peaks - Dark Age, just pre Heresy or later when they get their shit together again.
But this is the thing: Let's assume an Empire that gets its shit together and keeps its shit together. No Primarchs going bad. Building up every system to have forges and people and food production. Actual tech development. A Webway. Gradually starving and reducing the Warp storms.
We're talking maybe 10 million systems, 100 billion people per system, enormous GDP per capita, and that's low balling it.
Billions of warships. A trillion Astartes. A quadrillion Guard and the Navy to project force.
At last near Dark Age tech excluding the things that didn't work. The Psychic Race coming into its right.
Orks are out. Tyranid Swarms are being chewed up thousands of light years out.

The Imperium is still fucked. Bungee got Greg Bear to wank that shit for them.

>>51082516
No. Dark Age of Technology mankind would lose too.

Only the old Eldar and Necrontyr empires were comparable to the Forerunners.

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>>51083322
bud.

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>>51090410

>>51090198
>No. Dark Age of Technology mankind would lose too.

You have no idea how ridiculous DAoT was do you?

They had ships that could fire black holes, and warp space and time around them to ensure the black holes hit their targets. And there were indications that these weapons could be fired in rapid succession.

DAoT is what happens when you finish science.

>>51090485
>They had ships that could fire black holes, and warp space and time around them to ensure the black holes hit their targets. And there were indications that these weapons could be fired in rapid succession.

That's not particularly impressive compared to some of the higher-end Forerunner stuff, such as the Halo Array that could destroy all sentient life in the galaxy with the push of a button once they were in position. It ended up reaching a point where the higher-end Halo factions didn't even need to send ships in except as control and counter presences, there were more than a few 'destroy an enemy system or planet by catapulting a device through hyperspace at them from lightyears away' weapons.

>>51083587
Haghelm Machelm.

At least my head is well protected.

>>51090485
>They had ships that could fire black holes, and warp space and time around them to ensure the black holes hit their targets. And there were indications that these weapons could be fired in rapid succession.

The Speranza, the sole ship with that technology, was a one of a kind miracle of science even by DAoT standards. In the story its from it is noted that nothing else the DAoT produced is like it, and it was likely utterly unique. Its weapons may have had more to do with the unique intelligence that inhabited it than anything else, which was apparently almost mystical in that it would survive the destruction of the ship as a presence of pure intellect.

Most DAoT stuff is just 40K shit but more efficient. Standard Templates for things like lasguns and land raiders exist because DAoT mankind used that stuff.

>>51090513
Not him but I really, really fucking hate when memers bring up the Halo array when they want to talk about weapons.

It's total fucking bullshit. The halo array is NOT a wartime weapon against anything but the flood.

It's just a thing that you put specific DNA in and then it wipes out that DNA in the galaxy. Forerunner DNA was in there as well, so it's not a weapon they can just "use," it's Samson option suicidal bullshit.

>>51090657
Master Builder Faber literally used a Halo multiple times on system setting to wipe out populations and punish uprisings.
He only stopped because other forerunners got butthurt about it. If they wanted they could port them around and tweak the power settings.

>>51090657
It's not DNA based because if they missed a species then the flood would still be able to take over. It was neural physics based which is a handwave for any species with any capability for sentient thought is somehow wiped out by the arrays beam.

>>51083587
>Bolnar Doomsmith

Time to rain thunderous fury and murderous rage upon my enemies with my engines of destruction.

>>51086934
No furries please.

>>51083587
Thorkarl Goodsmith

>>51083587
>Thordoom liholme

>>51090485
> From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces—slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm called the Glow.
They also could make time bubbles as large as worlds where time passed orders of magnitude different from real time.

>>51082908
>Precursor-Humans
>Imperium
Nope.
Precursor are more like humanity from dark age of technology.
And dark age humanity could probably bitch slap Empire with Emperor, and after a war they would shift focus to consumer oriented economy while remnants of Empire would be galaxy biggest anime producer, and emperor would stop being divine as result of peace treaty.

>>51083587
>Gimhelm Macsmith

ehh

>>51082516
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/#post-8717755

No.

>>51082516
Emps and company aren't even on the same level.
Forerunners have all kinds of ridiculous shit, ringworlds being among the more tame megastructures they built.

>>51091028
It wasn't precursor humans in the sense that humans were precursors or even allied with the precursors. They were holed up in their capital world which had precursor buildings and tech. Using that they were able to stall their utter ruin by the forerunners for 50 years.

The precursors themselves had been gone for 10 million years after early forerunners wiped them out.

Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>51086934
rolling

Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>51091136
So much roll again

>>51086934
right rolling

>>51087129
Because this thread is bollocks m8

Everyone rolling is probably a drumpflord polweenie. Stay on topic please.

>>51086934
Fappin'

>>51087176
My cat is the cat that will meow the fridge

Rolled 32 (1d100)

>>51086934
let's see.

>>51090485
>They had ships that could fire black holes,

They had ONE ship that could do that. The Speranza was not a common thing. Even then, it is canon that DAoT could not compare with the other two groups at all.

Moreover, Necrons have time travel and can delete parts of the universe with their Celestial Orrey. They have Crypteks that can predict the future and others that can transmute shit. They had this shit even pre-C'tan, I think. This, btw, is their low-tier shit. Their real weapons were destroyed or taken by The Silent King when he left the galaxy. They're the ones that finished science.

now i want battle between fleets of ships which are the size of suns.

BIGGER IS BETTER!

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>>51086934
Satan guide my cock.

>>51083587
Gimli Gimlison

>>51083587
Thiccbae Thiccbaeson

>>51083587
Reinkon Undershield

Its cool

>>51086934
Rolland McDonald

>>51086934
Roll

>>51082516
I'd go with Forerunner Ecumene in a full scale war. I've never liked the imperiums approach to logistics. Its highly inefficient.

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>>51086934

>>51086934
roll

>>51090897
>It was neural physics based

get this 343 retcon shit out of here

>>51090870
That's a possibility but there's also the possibility that the ring itself gets BTFO

>>51092913
That's not a 343 retcon it's been in the lore since halo 1. The Bear trilogy expands on neural physics and how it was utilized by the precursors.

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>>51090410
Damn, if only the Imperium had some kind of... "planet-killing weapon" at their disposal....

Also, it's not like the Imperium hasn't gone toe-to-toe with a planetoid-sized battlestation created by an ancient and technologically advanced race before.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_World_Engine

>>51086934

Gimme

>>51093127

Neat.

>>51086934
Rolling

>>51086934
oh boiiyyy, here we go

>>51083587
>Urgold Karlbeard

>>51093398
Actually its "Urli Underbeard", which has a better ring to it imo

>>51090657
>Ignoring that it was used on individual planets and annihilating the populations of single worlds was how the Forerunners got tired of Human's shit and insta-stopped the war.

A single Halo was also used to wipe out some unnamed alien species that was giving their miner class some trouble. So they could keep on mining out the asteroids in it.

>>51093061
3 ancient human ships wiped out all life on a Forerunner civilian planet.

They were still not comparable to Forerunners who had mech suits that can do the same thing.

>>51086934
Rolling

>>51093615

>>51082516
Better question, who would nom who: Tyranids or Flood?

>>51093724
Flood noms nids and then they nom everything

Probably not. Forerunners were at least equivalent to DAoT humans in 40k. They could just send a Halo to go wipe Terra and there's not a lot the Imperium could do about it, at which point the Astronomican dies and the Imperium goes back to the Age of Strife.

>>51093724
Depends on who's writing to be honest. there are little edges in both races. Flood after a certain point, say 1 or 2 hiveworlds worth of biomass just starts making 'neural physics' shit like folds in space time and hyperdemensional strings and shit. at least, according to the 343 fluff. going off pure bungie the flood would be at a disadvantage unless it already had a foothold on a planet. The thing that the flood has over the nids is that the most basic flood form, a single cell, Can start infecting a entire world. It get's in the lungs of a normie, Festers, Slowly corupts and kills the host, using that biomass to grow new infection forms, which then can go out and directly take over hosts, which then kill people, dragg them back to what ever the nest is, and so on and so forth, using tech and weapons as soon as it infects a host that knows how they work. The flood would quickly start to form a protogravemind.

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>343 lore

>>51093990
Once the keymind stage is reached by the flood (complete takeover of a planets biomass) its computing power rivals or exceeds the most advanced forerunner ai, which we already established that would completely outclass the IoM.

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anyone see the parallels between halo lore and warhammer lore

>precurors/old ones
>precursors create flood
>old ones indirectly create necrons
>flood and necrons both go horribly wrong and the precursors/old ones both literally leave the galaxy
>forrunners take up the mantle after precursors leave
>eldar race take up the mantle after the old ones leave
>both forerunners/eldars form a gigantic space empire
>both forerunner/eldar empires get BTFO

>this power vacuum is filled by humanity in both lore universes


hm...

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>>51093866
You mean at which point emps can finally ressurrect and proceed to fuck the forerunners shit up (yes, he's a perpetual). The Imperium fights against gods and their unkillable armies, you halo fanboys just can cope with the fact that your Forerunners would get btfo even by a primarch. Hell, your Forerunners got btfo of their own halo universe, what makes you think they would win in any measure against an enemy that has literally trillions of soldiers, and that's just the Guard. The Imperium also has entire armies that consist of at least Spartan tier super warriors, Tech-priests, the Navy, the Inquisition, nuns-with-guns, Deathwatch, gay knights and the Assassinorum. Each and every single one of these institutions is enough to wipe the Forerunners out of existence, and don't even start with 'muh halo rings kill wurlds'.

Guess what? The imperium loses world all the fucking time, they even kill their own worlds if they feel like it, they have millions of them. Even if the Forerunners take out thousands of worlds, they still won't be much more than a mild annoyance before getting wiped off of the face of the universe.

>>51094313
forerunners are more advanced on the fact that

1. they operate outside of the milky way, they are trans galactic while IOM only operates in milky way

2. they can do FTL travel without psychic bullshit

3. they can shield entire planets outside of space time

IOM would beat them in a war 100000x over but in terms of actual technology and terraforming the forerunners are way more advanced

>>51094271
Not sure about wh40k but the precursors don't create the flood then leave the galaxy. They tuned into the flood after nearly being wiped out by the forerunners.

>>51089744
I like you.

>>51083587
Urhelm Macholme

If we are goign to go to retard level and pull out every single last break, The forerunners could literally just chill in the ark, which is in the Magellanic cloud, Slip-space some Rings around the galaxy with no one except maybe the eldar noticing, and flip the switch. bam. Game over for literally anything with neurons.

The Necrons might wake up from that, But they'd see everything is dead, Nod their head and go back to sleep.

>>51094427
I've read the lore on the precursor but IIRC it's very ambiguous whether or not they turned themselves into the flood and whether or not they created it

Some of them turned themselves into space dust which became the flood, and some of them simply left the milky way

IIRC the space dust canisters came from outside the milky way

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>>51094476
Probably one of the better moments in the otherwise lackluster H3 campaign

>is that-
>guilty spark: yes, 2 to the 18 lightyears from the galactic center

>>51090657
dude the halo array is based on disconnecting neurons at a galactic scale. this was said in halo CE, straight up.

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>>51087176
Death Knight get!

>>51094513
Where were neurons mentioned in halo CE? It's never implied how they specifically work

>>51094510
I don't fully agree with you, because H3 was one of my favorite games of all time, But now that you mention it i can't help but feel simmilar. there was a lot of great stuff but... something or a few somethings were missing or underwhelming. Maybe it was the difficulty curve being a bit too hard at the beginning and a bit too easy by the end?

>>51094540
There just weren't enough levels. Coming from the halo 2 campaign which was super long, it felt short. That and they took out the arbiter missions

Plus there weren't enough "big" levels. The only level I really enjoyed enough to playthrough multiple times was "The Ark," that one with the 2 scarabs. I must have played that level like 100 times

>>51093061
No, they didn't go toe-to-toe. They Astral Knights had to ram their ship into the world engine because they couldn't do any real damage to it otherwise. Moreover, it destroyed the Astral Knights as a chapter. There are only 7 AK marines left. Down from 700.

he massive mobile artificial Necron Tomb World of Borsis, designated the "World Engine," by Imperial military command, was attacked after it went active in the Vidar Sector in 926.M41 by task forces raised from 15 separate Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes plus multiple elements from the Imperial Navy, and even the mightiest weapons the Imperial forces could bring to bear could not harm it. The World Engine destroyed a third of an entire Imperial Navy battlefleet.

>>51093061
>>51094678

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/World_Engine

>>51094531
I could have sworn they were.

https://youtu.be/nqEPUaas5ZE?t=29m26s

It was in the book "the flood" but... yeah that's not the best one to go off of.

>>51094313
>The Imperium fights against gods and their unkillable armies,

They lose. It's canonical that the Imperium is losing and collapsing.

>>51094703
so is there a better picture of this "world engine" because how the fuck is it supposed to kill anything it looks retarded

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>>51094719
>forerunners can create a massive explosion which kills neurons

>can't create a massive explosion which destroys whatever the flood is made out of

tier 1 civilization my fucking ass

>>51082516
The Forerunner Ecumene is more comparable to the WitH Necrons than the Imperium.

>>51083587
Gim-in Gold-Mountain

>>51093061
Just about major power in Halo can glass a planet, let alone Forerunners.

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>>51093724
The Thing in Space

>>51094817
The Flood is even more advanced. They're the remains of the Precursors gone wild. It's like if the Old Ones created the Tyranids as a last-ditch attempt at destroying the Necrons but with the Old Ones guiding the Tyranids.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Star_road

what the fuck is this shit

>>51094678
Also if you read the book basically the only reason the Astral Knights did anything instead of dying heroically is because they took advantage of a Necron power play and managed to free a C'tan Shard which then proceeded to fuck the Necrons in the ass and disabled the World Engine. Without that it would have been unstoppable.

'ecumene' is such a civilized name for an empire

>>51083578
>Halos aren't ships, they're artificial words
Not one of the people arguing about which setting has the biggest fiction dick but from what I know about the setting they're kind of both.

>>51086934
doing it

>>51095909
They can't really move once they're put into place

>>51083587
>Durist Spikeshield

>>51093724
Flood noms pretty much everything.
Bungie wanted their insanely powerful galactic civilization fleshed out, and they wanted their opponents to survival against them and beat them.
Sometime during this process they got Greg Bear to write for them. Bear gets scale, Bear gets supertech. He wanked Forerunners hard and then he wanked Flood harder, and he made it all plausible in context.

>>51086934
>Rollan

Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>51086934

waifu!

>>51086934

Chubby elf please.

Roll.

>>51086934
roll'n

>>51096636


Re-roll

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>>51096652

perfect

>>51094476
>Eldar see it coming
>duck into the webway for a bit

>>51095326
Nu-canon

>>51086934
roll

>>51096327

What?

Yes they can. They can also be used as a focused beam that can continuously and hit another galaxy from the Ark.

Forerunners are really stupidly powerful.

In the novels, there is not a single instance of something as stupid as a ground battle or even mention of small arms.

All the battles are between fleets in the tens of thousands at a minimum and the final engagement of the war was between ten million Flood ships and something like 500,000 dedicated warships under Forerunner control. Once the Halos activate, the AIs in charge of the fleets don;;t even care that their crew are dead and just continue fighting like nothing happened.

>>51096852
got to wonder what would happen to the warp with most thinking creatures dead. the eldar and necrons would probably have a pretty good time in the now much more empty galaxy.

>>51097059
It was actually the great Magellanic Cloud thy fired it at not another galaxy. Guilty spark says each halo has an effective radius of 25000 light years which is why they needed so many to cover the galaxy. The closest galaxy is like a million light years away.

>>51097059
since when can halos move, i'm calling bullshit

the only time they "move" is after they are constructed in the ark. then from there they enter a slipspace portal to their final destination where they can't move anymore

>>51083587
Wilgar Macfoundersson

Not too shabby

>>51083587
Durnar Goldbattle

>>51085827
The Mechanicum would basically undergo a schism that would make the Orthodox-Catholic Split and the Protestant Reformation look like a nice little middle school debate.

>>51087176
Rollan'

Rolled 3 (1d100)

>>51087176

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>>51094390
>IOM would beat them in a war 100000x over
Wut?
A warrior servant shits on space marines.
In their war against the flood they expended trillions of warrior servants.
A shield wold can produce hundreds of millions of drones, 50 drones together can blow holes in covenant capital ships.

I hope 343 doesn't shoehorn the precursors into the games. An eldrtich race that existed before time and stars that can be punched to death would just be weak.

>>51100207
The Didact was already a quicktime-only boss who curbstomped Chief virtually every encounter. They'd likely just make the Gravemind or Keymind the final boss.

>>51100486
Why not make the master chief the final boss

>>51100621
>more 343 nu canon
>Chief has been the ancient evil all along

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>>51083587
Durkarl Underbrew

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>>51083587
Reinmac Fanhill. Not very dwarfy, is it?

>>51083587
Durnar Ironfoundersson.

Neat.

Could the Culture go head to head with the Precursors?

>>51102304
The Precursors got killed by the Forerunners, so no, The Culture would utterly wipe the floor with them.

>>51102327
The precursors didn't die as we understand it. The grave mind says they lived and died in many forms, from primitive to space faring, just to experience it. They are nigh immortal.

>>51102375
Culture minds are effectively immortal too, and I think their medical technology is advanced enough to keep their biological citizens living forever too.

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>>51083428
>this bullshit sizing

Every Halo after Reach has made me like Halo less.

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>>51102497
>after Reach

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>>51102547
>disliking Reach

>>51083587
>Durkarl Hammermountain
I don't think this works for non-English names.

>>51102391
Culture minds are immortal in the sense that they don't die.

Precursors are immortal in the sense that they can't die.

>>51083587
Bolgar Beardforge

>>51102746
Even with judicious application of gridfire?

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>>51082516
Anons in this thread are right, the forerunners would absolutely destroy the imperium of man. They are stupid advanced and have the capability of moving artificial world's the size of whole planets through slip space with ease. They have the ability to open up portals across the galaxy and fire death rays into them, they are no joke when it comes to their power. Honestly IoM wouldn't stand a chance.

>>51083428
shame it gets blown up by a single nuke

>>51102790
Halo lore isn't particularly clear on the subject of Precursor immortality, but the impression they give is that the Precursors transcended the concept of death. They can be defeated in battle, but never killed.

>>51086934
rollin'

>>51102818
The interest comes from the fact that the imperium gives relatively zero fucks about loosing worlds, most of the time it doesn't even realize the loss immediately .

>>51083587
Hagfan Goldhelm

>>51102830
So does the Death Star, what's your point? Most things that aren't a Culture ship blow up if you put a nuke in its squishy high energy bits.

>>51104694
Well, warhammer propably has slaves with oars or something instead of engines. Just like with the macrocannons.

>>51104845
Now you make no sense, Anon. Everyone knows they've got fusion reactors powered by servitors in hamster wheels.

>>51104694
Even then I think the core of the ship warped out of the explosion.

>>51083587
Thordoom Karlhelm

Can do

>>51083587
Raghelm Goldstone

I find it funny people are arguing abouts forerunners with science when 40k has magic Wolf men who summon volcano wolves to eat space mummies and angry space thugs travel back in time to kill themselves.

>>51105299
I'm sure that will be helpful when their planet is warped into a star.

I should never have gone into this thread...

I knew it was stupid but I couldn't resist because of the tiny possibility that someone would be making sense.

>>51105416
What's the issue?

>>51105390
Pretty much. Seeing as people were bragging 5 drones in halo can tear the hulls of capital ships when space wolves do that too.

It's like arguing the mountain could beat Herman in a fight

>>51105467
>Herman

I meant he-man

>>51105467
Which one is He-Man?

>>51105528
40k clearly. It's a fantasy setting with sort Sci find bits but the muscle magic people and the skeleton wizards are more important

>>51105467
There's a lot more drones then there are space wolves.

>>51105543
But the forerunners can beat the Imperium in a fight. Easily.

>>51083587
Thorhardt Spikemountain
I like it.

>>51105598
Until the imperium pulls out a daot doomsday weapon and wins through that.

>>51105632
The Ark was 262k light years from the milky way so it would have to be a big doomsday weapon.

>>51105714
Iom dropped a bomb that set the damocles gulf on fire. They really give no shit when it comes to silly weapons

>>51082516
>THE SIMPLE ANSWER

What universe is the fight in ?
if its in 40k, fforerunners lose, no gheller fefilds = dead

if its not in 40k then the imperium cant utalise magic or warp travel

END OF STORY

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>>51105876
>everyship must use the warp, no diffrient forms of FTL exist

so, your thinking is that warp travel trumps forerunner slipstream, and their space magic is strong enough to out trump forerunner tech, and that forerunners can't unravel psychic powers, nor can they develop gellar fields fast enough for it to make a difference in actual combat

you're cute

>>51083587
Dur-Blood Nar-Beard.
Not that good sadly.

>>51105906
He's correct. Seeing as psykers must be born and any untrained psykers simply get their souls but trucked. The forerunners would be fighting the setting itself.

I mean a fucking tarot deck let's the Iom almost predict the future

>>51105822
The Damocles gulf is relatively small section of galaxy and the empire can travel to it, the Ark is sitting 2.6 times the width of the galaxy away from the galaxy.

The forerunners life wiped the Milky Way with 7 halo rings.
They also warped Halo rings around and used them to clear systems in a local area.

>>51105932
okay, the emperors tarrot is on a completely different scale psychically speaking than 99% of other psychic stuff. warp travel is not slipstream travel, and deamons can't exist in slipstream because it is not a real of thought and souls like the warp is. it's like a giant fucking null zone. even the weird collective knowledge thing that the forerunners have, which is built on top of the precursor version of it, is artificial in construction, and not slipspace natural. the forerunners would either rely on purely mechanical forces for ground combat, and their super AI for any large scale fleet movement and battles. im not saying that psykers are not good, but they are not effective against the forerunners

>>51105876
Why couldn't the forerunners just develop gheller fields?
They have great dimensional feats and understanding.

>>51105961
I'm trying to argue that 40k is not a solid narrative and fluidly Ass pulls things as needed.

Fall of cardiac showed chaos can be buttfucked by neuron pylons if humans don't fuck up.

That's why it's he-man

>>51082908
The Flood withdrew of their own accord to deceive the Forerunners into believing the humans possessed a cure

>>51106019
So the IoM beats the Timelords or Xeelee then?

>>51106028
If set in the 40k universe. Probably.

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>>51106027
im sorry, what?

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>>51106043
just imagine how much the skull of the Doctor is worth to Khorne

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>>51098671
> Bias in control of the Mechanicum
> Bias in control of ANYTHING related to the Imperium

I'm pretty sure Bias would help to produce an endgame scenario for a good few enemies

>>51106047
The Flood retreated during the Flood-Human war in order to trick the Forerunners into thinking the humans had found a way to 'cure' the flood infection, resulting in the Forerunners going all out in their attempt to destroy the humans when the flood returned in order to find the cure which never existed

>>51106060
> Implying the Doctor isn't Khorne's greatest of servants

>>51106043
>IoM beating time travelers that can move galaxies and control all normal matter

>>51093061
>
By comparison, massive Forerunner structures weighing quintillions of tons can withstand stellar re-entry, with the point of failure being the structure committing suicide by supernova. Shield world Requiem (0001) plummets into her native star as part of a self-destruct sequence. What's remarkable to note is that even up until her final decent into the photosphere she remains entirely intact, with zero signs of deformation or surface heating despite the extreme amount of thermal radiation bombarding the massive shell. At a mere 14 million kilometers from the surface of a main sequence star the energy received by a planetary body is around 137,000 W/m^2, with surface temperatures averaging over 2000 K, making the surface glow red hot. However at this range the Roche limit has long since been bypassed by the vast majority of planetary bodies, causing extreme deformation as a result of tidal stresses that tear the body apart. At a diameter of 10,787 km, Requiem, prior to entering the photosphere is absorbing radiation at an intensity of roughly 62 MW/m^2 with an equilibrium temperature of 7235 K across the entire surface, nearly one and a third times the boiling point of tungsten. Coupled with the extreme temperatures any mass approaching a star undergoes the forces of electromagnetic pressure as a result of radiation force, in the above example Requiem is sustaining pressures greater than 500 billion times that of the surface of the Earth, 6,000 times the ultimate yield of high strength steel alloy.

Yet despite this Requiem remains entirely unscathed, sustaining structural stability and her lower than background equilibrium up until her mass destabilizes and compresses the star into a violent singularity. Hell, according to the latest novel Forerunner structures on Shield World 0459 can withstand planet scattering events.

>>51106060
I mean I am not here to fan want. But 40k is full of absolutes like "khorne owns every weapon ever imagined"

How do you stop that?

>>51106078
fucked up the greentext, dammit

>>51106083
>absolutes

Those 'absolutes' are only true in-setting.

>>51106078
cont.

>Halo: Escalation (issue 10) and Halo: Nightfall also illuminate the sheer durability of their materials. During his second battle with the Didact on the 26th of July 2557, the Master Chief is forced to uncouple a roughly ~500-1000 km section of Installation-03 from her orbit and directly into the path of the Composer's forge, many thousands of kilometers below. While the general orbit of the disconnected segmented provides no evidence as to the drag coefficient of the surface area, the presence of super-heated reentry ejecta would suggest an object exceeding Mach 1 at a sea level, whereas the sheer bulk of the object in question could in theory generate a terminal velocity of tens of kilometers per second. Regardless, assuming the array is constructed from a material slightly lighter than titanium the impact force at a minimum would equal 300 teratons, three to four times the force of the bolide impact that was thought to have catalyzed the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. More conservative estimates place the final energy at 10 petatons, regardless the impact force of a section of dense Forerunner material equal in landmass to the United Kingdom would prove incredibly devastating and highly energetic.

>>51106094
And the tardis did show up in 40k

>>51106067
Didn't Mendicant Bias say in one of the novels that it would serve humans and help them as penance for what it had done to its creators? Then the prophets put that shit on lockdown to prevent it from running off with their Forerunner dreadnought, but still. Letting Mendicant in might actually be a good thing.

>>51083587
Thorkarl Beardbattle here, we must be related

>>51091569
Source?

>>51106100
>Far more notable however is the survival of the central complex itself, specifically the control room. While the external damage is likely significant, the fact that any portion of the super-structure is capable of surviving speaks to an incredible degree of structural stability. External temperatures around the point of impact would be sufficient to flash vaporize Mount Everest at a minimum, in fact the energy required to vaporize titanium (heat it from 150K to melting point and then add latent heat of fusion) is roughly equal to the entire rest mass of the section of the array in question - with the sheer kinetic energy being sufficient to reduce the facility to a mostly gaseous state. The presence of surviving segments of the super-structure indicate that their materials are many orders of magnitude more resistant to enthalpy than conventional materials such as titanium, similar to Requiem's descent into her native star.

>>51106104
40k Humans aren't the same as the Halo ones (behaviourally speaking, at least). I doubt Medicant bias would even consider associating itself with the Imperium.

>>51106100
So basically. Ark mechanicus class battleship win the day

>>51106104
Yeah, sure, let's bring in the AI whose defining point was becoming rampant and being turned upon their creators in an universe where Chaos Corruption is an actual thing.

>>51106186
Ah, but he wasn't corrupted because of them playing on his 'soul' and corrupted because of supernatural forces like chaos. He turned on the forerunners because the Gravemind convinced it to by discussion and arguing with it over hundreds of years while they fought

>>51106148
Not really, no.

The quote referred to a Forerunner ground structure.

>>51106227
Ark mechanicus battleships fire black holes and have near impenetrable void Shields.

>>51106245
Only one ship could shoot black holes.

>>51106259
Ark mechanicus is a class of similar daot ships the mechanicus maintains. It's safe to say all are as powerful.

>>51106221
Exactly. You are bringing something that was already turned traitor by good old reasoning in an universe where it exist a force with literally supernatural powers of corruption that is so good at corrupting AI that basically every race stopped using them.

I give Mendicant Bias five minutes at best against a scrap code attack. And then you just have a Dark Omnissiah.

>>51106019
One problem for 40k is Forerunners come with massive amount of shit pre-pulled.
Imagine that old Bisley Dredd strip, The Great Arsoli. Now imagine that's where the entire SJS battle fleet from the Insurrection arc came from Arsoli's ass.

>>51106274
Battlefleet Gothic appears to disagree with you.

>>51106067
When the Doctor kills a species he keeps a single skull. In a place beyond space and time, the Doctor broods, his comfy chair astride a mountain of skulls.
Doctor-sempai will never notice Khorne-chan, because Moffat is a faggot.
And not the cool kind.

>>51106245
>black hole guns
>near impenetrable void Shields.
Figures, please?

And how many Ark Mechanicus are there? How good is Imperium industry compared to the Forerunners?

>>51106413
All of those range from nil to buttfuck. 40k isn't a setting with static numbers.

On one hand you have tanks worse than today's. On the other the same tanks survive orbital strikes that shatter cities

This is why x vs 40k is and always will be pointless

Khorne has a sword that kills everything and never uses it.

That sums up 40k in a nutshell

>>51106462
We're talking IoM. There's definitely settings that crush them no matter how hard you wank, e.g., xeelee.

>>51106462
Who cares about Khorne? I'm asking about the Imperium. Specifically, their industry.

>>51106462
Nigger, The Forerunners made multiple Dyson Spheres the size of the Earth's orbit.

Never mind them shuffling around planets across star systems and them actually outright constructing them.

>>51106552
They also packed the dyson sphere with it's own star into an alternate dimension and compressed it so it didn't take up real space.

>>51106505
Impossible to tell, like I have always been saying
. We have no idea how much shit the adept us mechanicus can push out

>>51106552
So dark elder tier

How could IoM counter Halos?

>>51106600
Can they construct planets? Can they construct Stars? Can they construct Dyson spheres 300 million kilometers across?

For reference, the Didact made 673 of them before the project got shutdown by the Master Builder and dissolved the Warrior-Servant caste.

>>51106629
Too bad I'm asking about the Imperium, not the Dark Eldar.

>>51106660
No idea. Because those things are not built in the setting because 40k doesn't follow conventional Sci find ideas. Because it's a magic setting

Forerunners shit on IoM in every aspect except pitting the top individuals against each other, but that's not an issue in a large war.
Forerunner grunts beat space marines.

>>51106684
Nice way of saying you have no evidence

>>51106696
No it's a nice way of saying the 40k universe is elastic as fuck.

I mean to bring it up again. The adeptus mechanicus casually set open space on fire so well it will take decades to fix.

Set space on fire.

>>51083602
>Ragspike
Furmountaim.
lewd

>>51106725
So?
Forerunners can make nested pocket dimensions where time runs at different speeds at every layer and contain suns.
They can make space stations in months that life wipe multiple galaxies.
Their warp drives run on time crystals that have sent humans back into the past when fiddled with.
Their grunt soldiers are stronger than space marines and they have trillions of them.

There's no indication the imperium could handle their tech level, production output, and size.

>>51106695
Yeah but 40k has ungodly amounts of plot-armor.

A single squad of Ultramarines is all it would take to fuck up the entire Forerunner Encumene. They'd do it by stumbling upon some sort of self destruct button or something.

>>51106725
It's safe to assume that the Forerunners at their height had a similar tech level to the Old Ones or the Necrons at their respective heights.

The question then becomes, can the IoM beat any of those?

>>51087176
Rolling

>>51106881
>plot armor in vs debate
I guess Master Chief would come and kill the marines right before they triggered the button.

>>51106912
Well that guy is bringing up 40k's inconsistency and the author's lack of a sense of scale for things into the debate, so yeah, might as well bring in plot armor at that point.

>>51106894
>The question then becomes, can the IoM beat any of those?
Certainly not as they presently are, I would argue.

>select all images with a horse
>shows houses
Captcha pls

>>51102560
Not that guy. Reach is fucking great by itself, but the fact that it screwed with the timeline and canon of the fall of reach book angers me to no end as that is the best thing in the whole halo canon.

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>>51107627
>Reach is fucking great by itself

>>51107679
fucking great may be a bit strong but it is great.
What do you think is wrong with reach?

>>51107733
>grainy motion blur and low fps
>low movespeed
>armor abilities and laodouts
>bloom
>bad mp maps
>reuse of maps in mp and campaign

>>51082516
No.

Forerunners are easily as powerful as the Old Ones or Necrons at the height of their Technology and the Imperium at its height would have gotten its shit pushed in by the Old Eldar Empire, which is massively weaker than the Old Ones and Necrons.

>>51106912
If we're measuring plot armor the Smurfs win, at least if Ward is writing. Yes, John is the main character and the Smurfs are some never before seen grunts. Because Mat Ward has no dick.

>>51108006
Master Chief has in lore plot armor and is the face of Xbox brand.
Maybe 1-2 more failed Halo games then he'd lose.

>>51108006
But the Master Chief has saved humanity, which is something the Smurfs will never accomplish.

>>51107784
Ok, i was thinking Campaign i mostly agree about the multiplayer parts you have said

>grainy motion blur and low fps
thats just because the xbox 360 wasnt super powerful and obviously comparing it to now its not great, but at the time it looked pretty darn nice.
>low movespeed
the same as all other halos?
i actually prefer the sprint of halo 5 after trying both now but i didnt see anything wrong with the speed of the older halos at the time (other than canon wise my spartan should be running faster than 4kph)
>bloom
i thought it was halo 4 that was made from 90% bloom, i dont remember a crazy amount in reach but it has been a while since i played.

Overall a couple minor annoyances really, with those first two not really even being problems at the time, so reach is still great?

>>51108032
>>51108035
Mat. Ward.

>>51108073
>the same as all other halos?
Reach has the slowest base move speed of any Halo.
>i thought it was halo 4 that was made from 90% bloom, i dont remember a crazy amount in reach but it has been a while since i played.
Reach had lots of bloom.
>Overall a couple minor annoyances really
Bloom, loadouts, and armor abilities aren't minor when it comes to multiplayer.

>>51108152
>Reach has the slowest base move speed of any Halo.
Yeah its 2.2 units per second instead of 2.25 we're basically standing still now.
>Reach had lots of bloom.
i just had a look, you are right it does. but thats kind of subjective whether thats a negative or not, i often like bloom as it makes some scenes look more realistic.
>Bloom, loadouts, and armor abilities aren't minor when it comes to multiplayer.
its not like you had a custom loadout, it was equal for each person in the match. as for abilities, the only one that was complete shit was armour lock, the rest were pretty well balanced and weren't too annoying to fight against and weren't OP when you used them.
everything only became completely fucked up in halo 4.

Also i was mainly talking about the campaign, which was overall great, decent story, decently likeable characters/team, graphics for the time were good and enough new things to feel improved over previous halos but still felt like good old halo.

>>51108507
>i just had a look, you are right it does. but thats kind of subjective whether thats a negative or not, i often like bloom as it makes some scenes look more realistic.
I don't want "realism" in multiplayer, halo is supposed to be arena-esque.
Due to the map size most engagements were at range where spamming is better than pacing shots, and if two people are spamming with bloom it turns into rng battle of who gets better spread.
>as for abilities, the only one that was complete shit was armour lock, the rest were pretty well balanced and weren't too annoying to fight against and weren't OP when you used them.
Jetpack was too strong and completely broke map design.
>everything only became completely fucked up in halo 4.
I'd say Reach in terms of multiplayer.

>>51108653
hahaha holy shit i just realised you meant weapon bloom, fucking hell for the first couple replies i was talking about the graphics effect of bloom. well fuck i dont remember if the weapon bloom was any different to the others was it, i dont remember any issue and i played a fuck ton of halo reach and was quite good.

maybe jetpack lasted a little long but they also just turned into a massive target out in the open.

If it weren't for Armour lock i'd say i liked halo reach multiplayer more than halo 3, but its fair enough if you found these issues more annoying than i did.

And like i said, the campaign was great, firefight was also damn fun and i personally liked the multiplayer so overall for me halo reach is great.

>>51108838
lol, yeah I meant weapon bloom. I don't remember if reach had bloom, but stupid graphical effects are still issue in Halo 5.
>well fuck i dont remember if the weapon bloom was any different to the others was it
It was, I don't think the others even had bloom, except maybe CE pistol if you held down trigger.
I never liked H3 or reach multiplayer as much as ce and h2. I see H5 mp as superior implementation of what reach was trying to do with adding some abilities. H5 has other perks like bringing back static spawns and a good weapon sandbox.

>>51104869
It did

>>51106100
Kinda ruins the story line that a mere starship reactor exploding could damage the ring per halo 1

>>51109631
That was no mere ship reactor, it was a ship reactor detonated by the luckiest person in the universe.

>tfw you gave up on warhammer 40K when you were 12 and you've played five minutes of HALO before rage quitting over the goddamn vehicle controls

Can I just put a plug in for RINGWORLD, the novel that they took the HALO itself from? It's a really good series, hard sci-fi and inspirational if you ever wanted to set an RPG on a Ringworld of your own.

>>51110105
Unfortunately Niven's characters are made entirely from wood, he's almost as bad as Forward.
The Ringword RPG isn't entirely bad but it is Basic Roleplaying with a lot of extra stuff so it's severely bloated. The biggest problem is IMO that Chaosium made a Ringworld RPG with a projected Known Space supplement instead of the other way around.

>>51110105

> hard sci-fi

I don't think you know what that term means, anon. A setting in which luck is a genetic trait and can be bred for isn't 'hard sci-fi'.

>>51110245
The luck gene was what gave that away to you, Anon?

>>51106221
Chaos isn't supernatural. Furthermore, a Lord of Change would have a field day with Bias.

>>51102497
Shit isn't much compared to the Halo rings. The books & in-game lore said they made them at a rate such that they'd shit Death Stars daily.