Greetings, those Residing in this "40 Kay" Galaxy.

>>51074957
Stop, "who would win" threads and their spinoffs are fucking awful

>>51074957
Great, cool, just stop talking and pick up this Lasrifle. Cadia just fell you know, so everyone's gotta do their part to push back Chaos

>>51074957
Look buddy we got our quota filled already so fuck off.

>>51074957
Can lightsabers deflect lasgun shots?

What could a jedi do against bolter rounds?

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Uh, Lord Vader, I don't think this is a good idea.

You can go and annex Tau for all we care

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>>51075137
What, by the creator, is a Lasrifle? Blaster? What, or who are "Chaos"?

>>51075407
Tau... Will THEY be willing to know the Empire's might?

Ohh so cool, so scary! Isn't that so interesting? Isn't Lord Vader the ultimate badass?

I mean fuck you, Star Wars is passe and has been completely oversold. Get that 1970's shit out of here.

>>51075452
Youll get killed by them

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>>51074957

>>51075452
>What, or who are "Chaos"?

Let's just say we're all surrounded by Assholes here.

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>>51074957
this is the worst vader impression ever.
you never read a single comics ? books ? seen a movie ?

>>51075452
>What, by the creator, is a Lasrifle? Blaster?
>What, by the creator,

Are you dumb or something? Do you know who vader is ? know how he talks ?

>>51075464
They don't seem that different from some of our familiar races. I'm sure negotiations will be rather quick and easy.

>>51075493
Without a doubt nothing a well trained Imperial Stormtrooper can handle.

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>>51075464
Shouldn't be that Hard to prevent that idea.
They don't seem that different from some of our familiar races. I'm sure negotiations will be rather quick and easy.

>>51075493
Without a doubt nothing a well trained Imperial Stormtrooper can handle.

>>51075463
>I mean fuck you, Star Wars is passe and has been completely oversold. Get that 1970's shit out of here
Take. That. Back.

>>51074957
>Lord Sidious' light
>the Dark Side
Choose only one, faggot.

>>51075463
Not him and not even invested in this thread, but 40k is equally ridiculously outdated what with it visually being inspired by 1980's British sci-fi comic books.

>>51075463
Yeah man take that back

>>51074957
Can't help but feel that the most likely result of the settings colliding is probably an alliance between the imperium and the empire. Both have a lot to offer the other.

>>51074957
Problem is that 40k is far more Grimdark than Star Wars... And humans manage to survive in it. Psykers could mess up a Jedi or Sith based on sheer Chaos madness alone, and they're not even tied up with nearly as many moral quandaries as either.

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>>51075649
>Implying this faggot knows shit about SW.
>Implying he's just baiting 40k and SW fans to bite each other's throats like >>51075686 >>51075632 and >>51075463
Look, either use your "Dark Side" to help fight off some 'nids, or greenskins, or go back to where you came from with some stormtroopers with tentacles growing out of them. And it only gets worse from there.

>>51075463
You said the wrong thing on the wrong board, friendo.

>>51074957
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>>51075822
How quaint.

>>51075822
>implying the Imperium doesn't have twenty different forms of Exterminatus that could outclass the Death Star

>>51074957
OK, the top two guys are clearly being influenced by demons, but the troopers are clearly as effective and disciplined as we'd expect from an Imperial Guard unit, and their ships are using technology, presumably from the Dark Age, that is unmistakably of human craftsmanship and capable of crossing the galaxy at incredible speed without the need for the warp or Navigators.

Contact the Officio Assassinorium and have the witch-lords eliminated, then recruit the survivors. Expect resistance from the Navigator Great Houses, they're about to become obsolete. Any implication that the Astronomican is similarly obsolete will be treated as grand heresy, as normal.

>>51075274
Their heretical psychic powers can deflect bolts and maybe deflect light. The lightsaber would not be able to deflect a lasgun shot but would hit a bolt ... a bad idea since it is an explosive.

Flammer and Meltaguns would be better. Lightsabers can do nothing against these and even with their profane powers they can not deal with the purifying flames.

>>51075905
Uhhh, not familiar with demons there, All we know is that they have been granted the power of some "force". Never heard of those Officio pals there, but if you want to know how we make our cruisers and star destroyers, check our engineers. Sure they'd love to give you a tour from a new ally.

>>51075948


The real problem is reaction time. You can't move at lightspeed. Premonition might help you, but that's it.

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>>51075998
Well, I mean, not to mention we are told to serve our lord, but, nothing else there.

>>51075551
Can imperial stormtrooper handle a maddening whisper from 10005000 year old demon that orders him to kill, maim and burn?

>>51076118
Well, they had to deal with the prequels, so... probably?

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We adapt and shit

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>>51076118
I don't know, he should. I heard about one of us going to Tatooine, and interrogating some old man over familiar droids.

The only thing I knew about though, was that the interrogation was a success and that they weren't the droids they were looking for

This entire thread is very uncomfortable to read.

>>51075692
During Great Crusade The Empire of Man culled Interex humans, and that was even before it became so trigger happy against everything that could be a little bit heretical.

No way that they could form such an alliance.

>>51075905
That is more interesting and in my opinion easier to answer without shitstorm: could Vader and Sidious defend themselves from assasins of the Empire? They are Siths so they expect betrayal at each step. This may rule out Callidus, Venemum and maybe Vindicare. Culexus can be approximated to Yuuzhan Vong: Force users could steal defeat them. Vanus lacks intel to make up any complex plans.

Now, Eversor on the other hand... that would be something plausible and could go both ways.

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Going for those fish-esque "Taus" was a mistake.
How could we lose contact to many of our units?
How could they not even hear about our negotiations and plans?
Are they a slaver race? It seemed to be a mixed force.
Have any of theme EVER done close quarters combat? Hand to Hand?

>>51075905
Who is this Assassinorium and why does this name vex me?

>>51076118
The only voices they should be hearing is Mine, their Commander's, and the Emperor's. None else.

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>>51074957
We have already submitted to The Emperor.

Want to come deamon slaying with us? It's terrific fun.

>>51076001
Yeah, I was counting premonition into it, single shots could be predicted but it would be hard to predict a bunch of quick shots.

Deflecting a blaster shot can be done because those are particles not lasers, when it comes to deflecting light things get complicated.
I assume that to deflect a light source or a laser the heretic would not react to it, but instead create a spacial deformity that would cause light to "bend" around it's body.

Light, in this case, the lasgun shot would travel at normal speed in a straight line but space itself would be bent around the heretic.

But that would cause another problem, not only the lasgun shot would be avoided but all light coming from that direction as well, causing the heretic to lose sight of it's foes, and maybe causing a blindspot to appear at it's place, from the point of view of the shooter.

I am one with the force, the force is with me. Discuss.

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>>51074957
Yeah the empire would annihilate the IoM with a little difficulty. Hyperdrives outclass warp travel like a 747 outclasses a sailing ship. Blasters are stronger and more efficent than lasguns. Stormtroopers are better trained and more efficient than asta militarium and the Imperial Navy has nothing on the Empire. Star Destroyers heavily outclass their IoM equivalents.

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>>51075822
>M-muh Death Star

How Cute

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>>51076899
Empire dies to the IoM so fast, it's utterly comical. just compare the relative size of their warships! Star destroyers are a scant 1600 meters, compared to the multiple kilometers of a battle barge.

Also: Hyperdrive outclassing warp? Excuse me, which one can get you where you're going *before* you left? Yes, the Warp. Because it's fucking perilous, that's why.

Seriously, unless the Imperium breaks out some of the (now non-canon) expanded universe shit, they haven't got a prayer against the Imperium's (very canon) macro batteries.

>>51077348
Meanwhile, Hyperdrive is vastly more reliable than Warp travel, and the Empire knows how its guns actually work.

>>51077348
nice cropping, ass

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>>51077402
The Imperium knows how it's guns work: by appeasing the machine spirits inside of them and maintaining their parts properly.

Seriously, i think the typical Imperial grunt in 40k knows more about the workings of his lasrifle than any ten imperial stormtroopers know about their blasters... not in the sense of "the power core main-lines plasma to the fusion cell" type technobabble, but in the sense of "She pulls just a gnat's whisker to the left and up, not the sights being misaligned, but he actual Las itself pulls as it travels through the air, I know this because i was issued this rifle on the first day of basic and it and I have a very special relationship."

Anyway, we're going at this all wrong: where's the first contact point here: planetary skirmish? Fleet contact? Who is assaulting whom?

>>51075822
>>51075861
How nostalgic. Albinoblacksheep, was it? Is that even still around?
>mfw I don´t have a face.

>>51077599
>TFW your nostalgia is relevant enough to have a wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Gangsta_Rap

>>51075998
>not familiar with demons there
True, BUT.

The Dark Side isn't demons, BUT people who draw on that aspect of the supernatural elements of the setting, drawing on it without proper precautions, are always influenced by its negative presence. The two are close analogies to each other.

If you get a 40k character to look at a Sith Lord, they're going to say "daemons" like I'd look at a person using the Force to levitate something and say "magic trick"; that's the frame of reference that they have.

>>51074957
>Bring us Abaddon's head and we will talk until then buzz off.

>>51077348
Warp doesnt even work 40% of the time and when it does it sends ships into the past or future.
>>51077512
Size means shit when a sd has enough power to glass a planet. Not to mention there are 100 times more sds than IoM battleships. The empire can also build new ones dumbass.

I had a fun setting once where the galactic empire' imperium, and federation all existed together and were vying for supremacy

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>>51076199
>TECHERESY BURN THEM ALLL!

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>>51074957
>these power boots where made for stomping

>>51077763
>implying the AdMech wouldn't collectively soil themselves hard enough to put holes through the hulls of their Arks at the prospect of technology which can create plasma in such a stable and well-contained way that one can use it as a sword

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>another galaxy full of technology

This is not Yuuzhan'tar approved.

>>51075494
>chainswords on the legs
Kek. Such a simple solution to such a retarded problem.

>>51078646
lolnotcanon

>>51079172

Which is kind of a shame. They were neat.

Unnecessarily edgy but neat.

>>51075274
Eisenhorn originally had a lightsaber and they were featured in ffg - the sollex fragment was an stc given to a forgeworld in calixis they used to create them

>>51074957
the two empires decide to forge an alliance

how fucked the xeno scum is?

>>51080557
Well seeing as Vader and Emperor are gonna be Purged for the heresy by Inquisitors or more (The force, even on EU standards could only do SO much until Psykers or the warp gets a hold of them), leaving the troopers to follow orders from (Far more capable) captains and commanders, who, when seeing a good opportunity for an alliance, will take it.

>>51077638
Yeah, most people's nostalgia does. Old shit ends up in encyclopedias. Duh.

>>51077688
>Warp doesnt even work 40% of the time and when it does it sends ships into the past or future.
That's like saying "ships always sink!"
They can sink, but that does not happen all the time.

>The empire can also build new ones dumbass.
So can the IoM. The AdMech can build them even in orbit of feral worlds if necessary.

SW ships have hilariously short fire range, so any space battle would be very onesided.
>waiting for visual contact in space

>>51078583
"Neato, more of that Archeotech we bought from Necromunda last week."

>>51078646
Are... are their spears snakes? Man, I need to look into the Star Wars EU.

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>>51074957
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>>51074957

Dude, Vader wouldn't say that shit at all! You don't send Vader to negotiate, you send him to kill the fuck out of things. Vader is a terrible negotiator, because he's bitter as fuck, physically monstrous, and perpetually angry.

No, you'd only send Vader when you need to attack an enemy ship or planet.

All things considered, however, 40K - a universe at perpetual war with unthinkable horrors - is likely to win a war against the Empire, because the Empire doesn't have the benefit of millenia of warfare behind it.

I mean, Vader is outmatched in most ways by a Space Marine Librarian, and he certainly can't outfight Grey Knights. The Jedi equivalent in 40K are the Inquisitors, and it's quite likely the while Eisenhorn (for example) isn't as psychically powerful as a typical Sith, 40K has the advantage of being loaded with anti-psyker gear to the point that even non-psychic Inquisitor know how to deal with 'witches'.

I assume Stormtroopers count as elite soldiers and are better than Guardsmen, and Star Wars has the ship advantage. But narratively, a lot of combat comes down to mano-a-mano fighting anyway, and in mano-a-mano shitkicking, 40K has the advantage.

Let's not even get into whether the Force is the Warp (In which case 40K gets a massive boost, and the Emperor will rise from his golden throne to shed tears of gratitude because 40K has just won the setting) or the Warp is the Force (in which case Force-users are shit on.)

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>>51081146
DROID

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>>51081058
They're in a pain-obsessed bio-tech developed racial culture, those snakes tense themselves to function as staffs/spears as well as going limber on command to bite and poison things. Their ships were some kind of living rock that propelled themselves with artificial gravity directions and launched bits of themselves as projectiles.

They were also supposedly force-null from having come from outside of the galaxy, so the Jedi couldn't get a good read on them the way they could most folks, and the more powerful ones had to act on them indirectly if they used the force; choking them with the air around their throats rather than just constricting the windpipes like Vader's seen to do.

>>51081210

The Vong were REALLY dumb and setting-inappropriate. They were actually a better fit for 40K, if we're comparing, as some kind of chaos-corrupted offshoot of humans.

>>51081165
http://starwars.wikia. com/wiki/List_of_battles/Legends

They also haven't had as many negative influences on them to detriment their technological and militaristic potential. War encourages development of warfare sure, but peace doesn't stop it especially with an empire that rules through fear and military force.

Millenia of warfare would make the people more tough, but it wouldn't suffice alone in comparison to peacetime developments of things that can be used For war.

>>51080557
The only way an alliance could happen is if Palpatine brought the Senate back and "gave up" the title of Emperor, since the Jedi manace was almost completely gone and, if he could convince the Imperium that the Jedi and the Rebels were heretics he could still be a Senator or something, with Darth Vader still acting as normal.

The only problem is the Force. Would the Imperium accept it, it could be considered a mutation, with the Midichlorians bullshit, or actually chaotic.

So I guess Palpatine would have be real smart not to get killed even if an alliance ever happened.

>>51074957
Hey Mr. Vader, would you happen to know anything about the whereabouts of your grandson? You know, the one who's creepy obsessed with you? Konrad and I have been trying to find him for... reasons.

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>>51081328
>Ok, so get this.
>We have an emperor too, but he shoots lightning and stuff, talks huskily too.
>Kinda gave us an order to kill all Jedi once-
"You mean Psykers?"
>Yeah, sure, anyway, this dude's one of them, but, bad? you know, dark and stuff.
Marine starts simmering in rage
>So we go and follow his orders, unite humanity under our name, made allied planets and residents-
"You allied yourself with XENOS?"
>Hey, look, bud, we need cannon fodder, plus where else can we get cheap and easy blue milk.
>By the way, can your emperor do cool stuff like powers too? You know, shoot lightning, choke you with his mind, move stuff? Ours do. The only guys in black and carrying either a shiny glowing oversized dildo, or nothing at all. He flies though, but that's just him.

>>51081254

>setting inappropriate

Kind of the whole point. They're literally from another galaxy.

>>51081165
>But narratively, a lot of combat comes down to mano-a-mano fighting anyway, and in mano-a-mano shitkicking, 40K has the advantage.

I don't see that happening. Base Delta Zero. Base Delta Zero everything.

Then go home and lock the jumpgate behind us. That galaxy is boned anyway, long range probes just report lizard bugs and Orkz Orkz Orkz beyond the galactic rim.

>>51081566
>Googling the obscure EU term.
>Base Delta Zero means "Raze the planet"
Not much for conquering if you destroy everything on the planet, and we're assuming that the Empire is encroaching on Imperial worlds, what about vice-versa? How heavily defended is the typical Empire-controlled world?

Well, for that, let's look at it's backwater: Tatooine is about s far from the Sith's mind as any hunk of arid rock in the solar system. So, how hard is it to get on and off Tatooine? As the Millennium Falcon demonstrates, there ain't shit there stopping no-one.

How about Hoth? Middle of a fucking war zone, how hard was getting out? Not. Very. Star Destroyers, for all your vaunting of "Base Delta Zero" do a piss poor job of blockading and controlling void space around their target.

Now, what about it's biggest, most important planets? Coruscant? Did it even have an orbital traffic authority? Who or what was protecting these worlds?

Hell, the only time people have trouble getting onto a planet appears to be in episode 7, where the empire's successors have specifically installed a bubble shield around the entire freaking planet, and even that got avoided just by dropping out of hyperspace *inside* the shield.

>>51081440
kek, that's a converstaion I would like to see.

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>>51075452

Chaos are >>51075491 or at least he's a rather tame example of one. yes he's at least eight feet tall and armored in a literal mech suit that makes your obvious cyberlimbs seem weak. hopefully this "Force" the rumors suggest you wield will be up for the task.

Now if you'll excuse me, we need to get to fighting these things.

FOR THE EMPEROR!!!

>>51080781
Why would the warp have any effect on Vader and the Emperor? Humans are not psychic at all in the Star Wars universe dumbass. And there isn't a single inquistor or assassin that can match Vader or Sheev in a fight. The empire uses actual tactics, camouflage, etc.

>>51074957

We've had this fight so often I can practically sing it. Here's the past conclusions (also from /k/, who go through this from time to time).

Space battles

>Empire defeats Imperium due to power of fighters, fighter-scale FTL, and very reliable, fast (cross galaxy in a week) FTL travel. Also FTL can be used from/to the edge of a planet's atmosphere (vs in 40k warp travel only gets you from the edge of a solar system to another). Also realtime galactic communication.
>With that alone, even if IoM cruisers were far more powerful than ISDs, they'd lose due to concentration of force and strategic mobility.
>Imperium ships are much larger but overall comparable to ISDs in offensive/defensive capabilities.
>Imperium will win nearly any boarding action by sheer numbers if nothing else. Empire has no defense against Space Marines and psykers

Land battles

>Imperium defeats Empire due to sheer numbers, even with generous assumptions about Stormtrooper elite-ness.
>Imperium's elites (Space Marines) again have no equivalent in Star Wars.
>Psykers are way, way, way more powerful than Jedi, and way more numerous. Empire killed most of theirs off, so now there's two Sith (each about equivalent to a SM Librarian) and a handful of Inquisitors (much weaker). Psykers also have a greater variety of powers, making them harder to counter as a whole.

A Jedi is about equivalent in overall powers, capabilities, and fighting style to an Eldar Warlock. The very best Jedi are roughly comparable to a farseer or SM librarian at best.

The thing is, the scale and power level of a setting has nothing to do with how much better or worse it is than another setting. Those are just thematic choices. Star Wars wins in naval battles for reasons having nothing to do with coolness. 40k's "take it to 11" superheroes win on the ground and in psi/magic battles.

THE END

>>51082281
If the IoM invaded the Star Wars universe they wouldn't be able to do shit on account that there isn't a warp in the Star Wars galaxy.

>>51082765
Or it does, but the SW galaxy just never interacted with it...

>>51082703
Yeah I wasn't aware that Psykers can make black holes that can engulf entire battleships or drain the life force of any living thing on an entire planet.

>>51082773
If the warp existed how could they not of interacted? The empire controls more space in their galaxy than the IoM controls in the Milky Way. The empire would have to has encounterd areas where the warp bleeds into the material universe warping reality. It hasn't happened so there is no warp.

>>51082703
This would leave the Imperium blockaded in every system. This would kill Hive-Worlds, Forge-Worlds, Shrine-Worlds.

Land battles ain't shit if your soldiers have no grub.

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>>51074957
>EH, WHAT'S THAT?
>THE EMPEROR'S LIGHT, YOU SAY?
>ARE YOU HERE TO HELP US KILL THOSE REBELLIOUS GUARDSMEN?
>SPEAK UP, MY HEARING ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE.

>>51082697

They're different settings, so there's nothing in either setting that can retcon how things work in the other setting.

So a psyker would still deal with perils of the warp, etc, because that's in his setting. A jedi would not. There's no reason to believe that the Force is intrinsically more powerful than the Warp or vice versa. The touchstone, the common factor that you can use to measure relative power levels, is physical effects and effects on normal mundane humans (common to both settings and which operate on the same rules).

So now break it down. Both Vader and Sidious have powers that, at least from a physical standpoint, are similar to those of a Space Marine librarian. I'm talking the cartoons here, where their powers are more impressive than in the movies. Sidious's precog seems at best to be equivalent to an eldar Farseer's.

Even if you assume that culexis assassins can't affect Force Users the way they can psykers, the Imperium has a ton of people who are comparable to the. two most powerful characters in the Empire. And considerable experience countering strange/potent/magic-seeming abilities.

Jedi are even worse. Lightly armored, they depend on precognitive dodges and parries, exceptional training, and their awesome all-defeating energy swords. They're incredibly potent against regular troopers but not unbeatable. 40k has similar fighters, called Eldar Warlocks, with virtually the same statline. The Imperium kills these guys all the time, and has plenty of experience doing so.

>>51082868
Easy: the Force is not warp-based psychic fuckery, it's midichlorian based.

Psykers interact with the Warp. Force users interact with tiny life forms in your blood.

>>51082966
Would humans in 40k's reality also have midichlorians in this scenario?
Also, that doesn't really explain how Jedi can move rocks and other inorganic material around, seeing as they don't generally contain any organic matter.

>>51083001
Don't think so: 40k never says anything about midichlorians... unless they're just mitochondria...

>>51083001
Dude, don't push these questions on me, George Lucas is the one who wrote episode 1. I don't argue with the worst canon, i just use it conveniently in this argument.

So, Force works on 40k people just fine, and warp works in the galaxy far, far away.

>>51082830

Citation? And which side are you talking about?

The problem is that as you delve deeping into EU-ness (no longer canon in SW's case anyway), you start getting more and more ridiculous power creep. And fans tend to be hard core experts about one setting or the other, not both. So each canon has peripheral (often not-completely-canon) tales about power levels well in excess of what you see "on-screen".

>>51082876

Yep. We've had this argument like a million times. If somehow the Imperium can force a psi conflict or ground battle, they will win. If it comes down to naval might (as is most likely), then the Empire will win.

Hyperdrive >>>>>>> warp drive

>>51075822
And you know that we got a DEATHSTAR!
>And you know that we got a DEATHSTAR!

>>51083095

>Citation? And which side are you talking about?

Not him, but he's probably talking about those old Dark Horse comics about the Emperor reincarnated into clones of himself. He uses Force storms to rip fleets apart. It's pretty retarded, and with the axing of former EU stuff, no longer canon as far as I'm aware.

>>51083095
>If somehow the Imperium can force a psi conflict or ground battle

That's a big if
U U U U

But honestly, the Empire has zero reason to engage in land battles.

>>51075822

We call that Tuesday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNc242mbiUs

>>51082830
Stronger psykers can control time and warp reality. Alpha level psykers can fly around DBZ style and rend titans into shreds. Meanwhile, you're using the absolute strongest force user for your feats, in which case, i'll just say Emperor, and the argument will be finished.

>>51075463
40K is far more dated.

Star Wars is pretty much timeless.

>>51083164
Which is why the empire tends to just sit in high orbit and bombard planets in every movie, right? and never sends stormtroopers and AT-Ats or AT-ST units to the ground, correct?

>>51083480
Star wars is 50's sci-fi recreated in the late 70's.

>>51083634
The Empire sends stormtroopers and AT-ATs when it is certain of a possible victory.
Sending your troops to unnecessary death isn't exactly the Empire's style.

>>51074957
FUCK OFF WE'RE ALREADY FULL YOU BLACK CUNT.

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>>51074957
>Vader
>Diplomat

Vader is not a public speaker. He is the Emperor's shadow enforcer. A public secret that everyone fears and at the same time, they would like to think he's just a rumor until they have the misfortune of seeing him.

>>51083793
So, which certainty of possible victory was depicted in the films?

Also: The imperium sends troops whenever there's anything worth preserving on the planet, which is ALWAYS. Every frigging world is precious.

So, the empire can't set decent blockades to prevent void combat, they don't send troops if they aren't going to win.

Basically, your argument is "if the empire isn't going to win they aren't going to play", which, i really hate to tell you, isn't how wars *work.*

Look, we need some kind of ground rule here: an establishment of objectives at the very least.

Not a super in-depth fan of SW, but don't their FTL systems run on metaphysical highways like the Solar Rails of Warframe? Or more appropriately like a webway except that it's not actually a physical space? Leaving aside questions of power output, destructive yield and the relative potency of each setting's space magic, would either of them be able to FTL in the other's setting?

>>51084845
Addendum for that second line: periodically they will just send an inquisitor or whatever to determine whether or not it is necessary to send troops. The usual result is "Don't worry, we used a cyclonic torpedo, so the problem is resolved."

I am kinda curious how many Stormtroopers the average imperial assassin could drop.

>>51084914
If we're having a fair conflict, then both have to have 100% access to the relative physics of their native dimension, and be equally effected by 100% of the native physics of the opposing dimension.

>>51084959
So, Force users suddenly get perils?

>>51084983
no. Force users are using the Force, not Psychic powers. The. Force. It's an entirely different but almost identical thing.

>>51084940
Temple (if so which temple), or just a death cult/professional ?

Just going by my experience with players in the ffg rpgs, I'd say a fuckton just because of the delightful little tools that 40k has sitting around, like ether sight augurs. And assassin servo skulls. And haywire grenades, hallucinogen grenades... not like stuff like that doesn't exist in SW, I'm sure, but a single operative vs detachments goes badly for detachments.

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Crossover threads are cancer

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>>51085043
I know man, but it's the old Astronauts Vs Cavemen debate: it never ends because nobody agrees on what the actual rules of engagement are.

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>>51085043

Try being a fan of both settings

This shit autistic

>>51075113

Fpbp

>>51084914
>Not a super in-depth fan of SW, but don't their FTL systems run on metaphysical highways like the Solar Rails of Warframe? Or more appropriately like a webway except that it's not actually a physical space?


No, they jsut have FTL engines attached to most ships, even some single pilot fighters. Navigation can be a problem, so most ships stick to well-scouted and known/safe routes, but theoretically, you could just take off in any direction you pleased for as long as you want.

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>>51085043

and its always 40k, halo or star wars and sometimes Dune for a retarded reason


Like just stop

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>>51085043
>>51085059
The Yuuzhan Vong arc was basically a shitty Star Wars vs. 40k crossover. The Vong are like some kind of bastard child between all of 40k's "villainous" races.

>>51085151
But- all of the races in 40k are "villainous".

ESPECIALLY humans.

>>51084959
Oh. Okay so Medium Transfer Principle... well, so if I take the original trilogy as canon, a stormtrooper's blaster is about as strong as a lasgun- usually fatal, can be stopped by armor, if it hits you in the arm or leg you could survive it without too much trouble.

The Empire fleet they massed in six is terrifying, sooo if they kept their space forces that packed, it would be scary. That said, Imperium cruisers are like 5-6 times bigger sooo against anything but the bulk of the Empire's fleet is going to basically be a fair fight in space...

GroPos are pretty even too, except that the more prevalent tanks and APC/IFVs of the Imperium would give them an edge, and the Empire can mass-produce knight/titan scale machines, but they're vastly inferior. AT-AT vs Warhound would be funny, since Titans use shields equal to the ones in space. I guess it balances out effectively? The Imperium of Man has a lot more tanks and similar, but the Empire has a lot more big walkers, but the Imperium's big walkers are demonstrably superior...

I think it comes down to the Imperium having a lot wider of an arsenal, but maybe that depends on how much of Star Wars you count as canon?

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We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

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>>51085185
I use quotation marks deliberately for that very reason. They were really pushing the "Star Wars is 40k" meme hard by giving Palpatine justification for creating the Empire-- he foresaw the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and believed the galaxy needed the empire to combat it. Then those pesky Rebels came along and fucked things up unwittingly.

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>>51085236
Hello Borg. We are Blood Ravens, We see you have brought us many presents

>>51085236
If the borg is so tough why havent they took over their galaxy let alone wipe out the weak as shit federation?

>>51085236
ohhh that's cute. That's fucking cute.
"Why hello borg, have you ever seen what happens when an apartment-building sized pile of plasma moving at ~.9C hits a ship that doesn't have armor?"

This is the General Contact Unit Just Passing Through, ain't y'all cute?

>>51085394
Whelp, the culture showed up... time for everyone to go home.

>>51085300
Eh, in-universe the borg are scary but too far away to do shit. And the Federation ships are so overdesigned that their multirole science fleet can tank two or three of the dedicated military fleets of their neighbors. In-universe, federation is scary. Against other settings? It's a question of scale, very few things in star trek are built to parity with the size of other sci-fi settings, their materials science is badly lagging behind since everything in star trek is done with energy barriers and powered systems instead of solid matter with reliable properties. The fact that their directed energy weapons even HAVE stun settings in star trek goes to show that they just can't square off with any army type opponent. That's even the case in the show, feddies get slaughtered on the ground, and the borg lose to the feddies man-to-man. Talk about it being story structure all you might want (and you'd be right) but it comes down to ST not being sufficiently well thought out to go toe-to-toe with other sci-fi empires.

>>51085407

I love the stories/novels but the Culture really is the worst when it comes to power levels.

I'm pretty sure a single D/ROU could wipe out either Imperial Navy on its own.

>>51075822
I saw that video once abd could never find it again. Sauce?

>>51085464
"Star Wars Gangster rap"

In space the Empire wins, on ground the Imperium wins. Ithe would never get to ground battles. The Galactica Empire essential has the resources of an entire galaxy. In industrial capacity alone they could out produce the Imperium to death.

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>>51085236

>They still have flesh

l o l

>>51085493

The CIS would own the Empires shit navy

>>51085493
and this is based on what? Ive never seen star wars ships fire at eachother at any range other than practically pissing distance, Deflectors dont seem to hold up well to any sort of large solid impacts, or even small ship fire. Frankly I think star wars would get destroyed horrifically in a space battle, they only advantage theyd have would be getting to and from locations quickly via hyperspace. Once they got there though theyd crumple like a wet paper bag.

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>>51085520
So, Those are Xenos, AND tech heresy, right? We can shoot 'em just fine?

>>51085493
Do Star Wars ships have shields that equally stop matter and energy? And do Imperial ships have physical armor? What kind of range do they conduct combat from?

From what I can see on the star wars wikipedia, the shields do stop energy and matter both, but also have a maximum capacity to resist. Given the absolute LACK of numbers like mass, yield, and range, I'll have to assume that turbolasers and macro-weapons are ROUGHLY equal... But again, Imperial cruisers are 5-6 times bigger than the Imperial I-class. The I-class is basically the same size as a Dauntless light cruiser, if memory serves me... and one of those mounts three lances and two macroweapon batteries. The I-class features a broader complement of turbolasers and ion cannons, but doesn't mount torpedo or lance-class weapons, instead it has a significant fighter wing.

Which brings us to small craft- Star Wars fighters are aerospace- they fight in atmo and space both. 40k's fighters are exclusive to one or the other, a Fury fighter has a crew of five if memory serves and fights much more independently of its home vessel than a TIE fighter.

Let's go from the little shit to the big bads though, just for shits and giggles. Oh wait, the Galactic empire doesn't have a consistent, prevalent BIGGER GUN space option, whereas the Imperium can go to battlecruisers, battleships, battle barges, and more capping out entire classes of vessel that are 13km long. Oh sure, bigger's not always better, but saying that the Empire is just so much better that their ships are the equal of these others that vastly outscale them... you'd have to provide some more concrete data to back it up.

>>51085802

I think an Executor would actually have a decent go of it if it could get into knife-fight range. They mounted 2000 heavy turbolaser batteries and wookiepedia says they had a range of 100km. That's on top of 250 ion cannons and 250 concussion missile batteries.

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Oh here we go again. Someone already did a tactical analysis of both factions and I have to say he's pretty on the mark.

tl;dr Empire would win space battles mainly due to their vastly more efficient Hyperdrives and utilizing hit and run tactics the IoM couldn't keep up with. In ground battles the Empire is outclassed in almost every single aspect before you even consider bringing in Space Marines. Force-users are the only toss up. They are personified plot armor with kill-everything-swords so they might even things out in a single battle but its doubtful they can do much on the large scale.

>Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1d923p/imperium_of_man_warhammer_40k_vs_the_galactic/c9o5eo6/

>>51076250
*board

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>>51075822
>>51075861
Hey guys, I just got lost trying to find my asshole brother for the umpteenth time again, and I was wondering if you could give me directions or someth-

Oh man, I just got the munchies something fierce. You got anything I could snack on for a bit?

>>51085236
>>51085151

Borg vs Vong would be a neat matchup.

>>51085956
The Vong were trying to do for Star Wars what the Borg did for Star Trek, except a lot shittier.

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>>51085930
Sorry, had him as a light breakfast. You will do for a snack before lunch. This Emperor of Mankind guy sounds like a good lunch with this Palpatine fellow being a nice spicy dinner.

>>51085901
Hit and run attacks only work if you can do appreciable damage to the target when you do the "hit" portion. Nothing I have seen indicates that a star wars ship would do jack all to an imperial ship. Imperial cruisers are (as has been stated) far larger than star destroyers, and from anything ive seen are capable of engaging targets at far longer ranges than anything in starwars short of the death star. Deflectors dont seem to last long against the amount of firepower star destroyers themselves put out, and a cruiser is nearly 3x as big, and thus would be assumed to have at least 3x as much firepower meaning it would annihilate the deflectors pretty quick. Given the range the star destroyer would engage at it would get thrashed even faster as the cruiser would barely have to aim. This is like saying someone in a sports car could hit and run a main battle tank because he can go 200 mph. It doesnt mean anything if he cant hurt it.

>>51086141
YHVH's kind of a bitch though.

>>51082703
>>Imperium's elites (Space Marines) again have no equivalent in Star Wars.
>what is dark trooper
>what is evo trooper

>>51086492

Dark Troopers and Evo Troopers are still pathetic compared to Space Marines. They're cyborgs, perhaps very enhanced Skiitari. Space Marines are transhuman to an almost ridiculous extent - And they don't rely on cybernetic implants. Each Space Marine is basically a masterpiece, and his armor makes him a lot more fucking deadly.

Like, it's just unfair. It's the classic question of Vader versus Space Marine Librarian - Obviously the Librarian has the advantage, because he's been incredibly enhanced. Vader is crippled and compensating for being disabled with high-end bionics. (Anakin versus a Librarian would be a fairer fight, but even then Anakin's outmatched.)

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>>51086331
Star Wars has been horrifically inconsistent in their depictions of capital ship weaponry, but a heavy turbolaser mounted aboard an Imperial-class star destroyer are nothing to scoff at. I remember reading somewhere that a heavy turbolaser puts out somewhere in the ballpark of 15-gigatons of TNT per shot. Nothing the Imperium hasn't seen before but definitely not something that can be ignored.

With the new canon its really hard to get hard numbers anymore.

>>51086640
>gigaton

Kiloton. I meant Kiloton.

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>>51076118
>10005000 year old demon that orders to kill, maim and burn

>>51086891
He's like 40

>>51075948
>psychic powers
But that's not how the Force works. It's the narrative of the unfolding story who's threads people's lives are. Vader is invincible except against stronger Force users because he gets to write or at least co-author the fight scenes.

Having the Force means you can basically become the Mary Sue type of your choice. In the case of the Dark Side, that means Jerk Sue. And while the WH4K has Sues of its own, they aren't aware of what they're doing, while the Sith clearly are - why else would Palpatine install a giant shaft in his throne room on Death Star if not to re-inforce his preferred narrative trough scenery? The Jedi were only partially aware, which is why they lost, but Obi-Wan has clearly learned the truth in his years of exile, and guides Luke to the Hero archetype while himself embracing the Saint.

Basically, WH4K is screwed - altough the consciously controlled Dark Side might prove a step up from the raw madness Chaos represents.

>>51076841
I am one with the warp, the warp is with me. Discuss.

>>51077348
*(very cannon) macrobatteries

>>51085408
But this is only because of space science bullshittery and/or copious amounts of plot armour. If the Borg are played straight like they were supposed to be (i.e. pre-VOY and pre-TNG movies), then theyre terrifying. Or at least they should be. Actually...

>major contrast to all other setting factions; out of the blue curveball
>supposedly endless horde
>supposedly ohgodwhat OP adaptations
>end up getting curbstomped by "muh tactical/science bullshittery"
Borg are literally 'nids

>>51085802

The touchstone is planetary bombardment. Both ISDs and cruisers dish out enough damage to devastate but not quite sterilize a planet. Both can easily be modified for exterminatus.

So while we can't speak to range, overall damage is the same. Shields are enough to absorb an extended pounding from another ship of the same class, so those are roughly equivalent as well.

Sublight speeds are a mess even within both settings' canon, let alone between them.

Size wise, an ISD is about the same length as an Imperium escort like a Cobra or Firestorm class. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything, but there you are.

The big news in naval conflict is Hyperdrive. It's so wildly, out-of-control better that it trumps all other considerations.

>>51089753
1 the ability to sterilize planetary surfaces is not a good indicator of the overall combat power of a vessel designed to engage in space combat.
2 if it were, then even escort vessels of the Imperium can be modded for exterminatus or provide city-devastating firepower from orbit.
3 the size of the ships does in fact offer us some interesting comparisons in materials science and if nothing else explains that Imperial Ships will be mounting far and away MORE gun than Empire ships.
4 Since we're accepting that the Empire would be able to use their hyperdrive, which relies on paths constructed by a super-ancient race in space outside space, we can actually compare them to the Eldar who use the webway. The Eldar's ability to rapidly strike and escape along the webway is indeed a powerful ability, but one that sector commanders have become used to predicting and countering. Once it's made apparent that the Empire has similar powers, the Imperium's command has been demonstrated to be able to respond. Also ISDs use a slow version of hyperdrive (class 2) so while the technology is potent they fumble a little advantage here.

All of this pre-supposes the Galactic Empire invades the Imperium though, in which case most systems worth bothering with still have escort-sized defense vessels usually almost on par with Sword frigates, let's call them the equal of Venator class star destroyers, meaning that the Empire will still have to commit sufficient resources to overcome significant old fleets to make gains on industrialized worlds. They also need to do it fast because the Astropathic communications are pretty well able to summon responses.

>>51089745
I'll totally agree to leaving out Voyager but not to leaving out First Contact, because that movie was basically a sequel to 'Best of Both Worlds' with time travel tacked on. After Wolf 359 the Federation lost most of its aging and out of date ships, remember that it sent mirandas, constellations, and the like while the battle of Earth in First Contact was fought with Defiant, Akira, and Sovereign class, all three of which were purpose-designed after wolf 359 to be warships. The Defiant itself was designed with phasers specifically built to counter borg adaptation, as was the Sovereign, and the Akira didn't have that, instead it had FIFTEEN motherfucking photon torpedo tubes designed for rapid fire on its flying hull.

The fleet at wolf 359 was born of budget limitations and a fleet that reused and refit more than anything new was ever made. Earth is when Starfleet let its designers off the chain and said 'we need something to not get slaughtered with, k?'

>>51089745
>>51090195
>Borg are Trek's Miss
>First Contact
I want time travelling hive tyrants, and I want them now.

>>51091042
>Miss
Nids, even.

>>51087066

Both sides benefit from considerable plot armor. Depending on who writes the story it could be a walkover in either direction. Within the logic of each setting, most of the plot armor boils down to either luck or precognition.

>>51090195
>The fleet at wolf 359 was born of budget limitations and a fleet that reused and refit more than anything new was ever made.

>post-scarcity civilization
>budget limitations

Top kek. They prolly didn't have newer or better ships because commies are lazy "work to rule" governments

>>51091214
>the UFP is a post-scarcity civilisation
>what even are shipyards
>what even is dilithium mining
>what even is platinum
I really, really hate this meme. Like it was only ever a majorly implied thing when TNG was at its hippiest, and the actual producers turned that down real quick. It turns out that Gene was really shit at writing utopias. And shit at writing in general. And utopias played straight are shit settings, too.

How the fuck did a SW vs 40k thread turn into an argument about trekshit, exactly?

>>51093224
Because /tg/

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>>51093224
Conceptual drift. /tg/ does it easily. I'm shocked how restrained we are at the moment, by now we should be discussing Hispanic Cuisine or something.

>>51093224
Because crossover threads open the floodgates. It's the same reason these threads never go anywhere, anyone can just pull random stuff out their ass.

>>51085236
>Borg cube arrives
>40k cruiser appears
>cruiser doesn't even slow down and simply smashes clean through the cube
>admech wank themselves crazy over Borg tech

I fucking hate the "hyperdrive>>>>warpdrive" meme. Hyperspace is only a major advantage if you already have mapped out lanes, and I highly doubt they'd have that advantage invading any galaxy. The only way the empires fleet is running circles around the imperium is if they've already throughly explored and mapped out the galaxy, and have major hyperspace lanes right on top of all the imperium major systems

>>51094290
Sorry, gotta ask: how does hyperspace being "space highway" work for scenes like, when Han was plotting a jump to hyperspace under Tie fighter fire? Can you just get *on* to hyperspace anywhere, or do you have to get on at specific points in relative space?

>>51094290
I fucking hate the "hyperdrive needs mapped out lanes" meme. Hyperspace lanes are only necessary because everyone - Republic, Empire, New Republic - likes to stick to the beaten track where you'll not get pulled over and robbed by pirates with a bargain-basement interdiction field, and I highly doubt that'd be a big concern while invading a galaxy. The only reason hyperspace lanes are a thing is because they're the shortest or most efficient routes between each point, and it's not like the Empire can just make a rough jump to the nearby vicinity of wherever needs backup before making a second, smaller, more accurate jump right on top of all the imperium major systems

>>51094585
So we're just gonna assume that the empire has a full map of the 40k galaxy and access to the coordinates of all the important worlds it needs to get to? I think you're forgetting how huge space is, if you don't know where you're going, 99.999999999% of the time you'll just end up in the void light years from anything important

>>51094585
>>51094700

Howzabout: each setting has it's own home field advantage, and any advances into enemy territory (as it were) required scouting, etc?

>>51094585
can't tell if copypasta shitpost or actual rebuttal, kek

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>>51083095
The issue with saying the Empire will win in a naval engagement is that their ships weapons ranges are minute. Any Imperial warship will blast it to pieces long before it comes into range
>Imperium has hundreds of thousands of Klicks of range
>Empire has hundreds of klicks of range
So no, the Imperium will not lose naval engagements, also warships in 40k will fight for hours, to break through void shields with basic weapons (Macro-Cannons) that fire with megatons of force, where as Star Destroyers fire with kilotons as they are able to fire in atmosphere without going off like a nuclear bomb

>>51074957
>over The Emperor, Lord Sidious' light

You mean Sheev?

>>51095135

All quotes of megatonnage, range, speed, acceleration, and other hard numbers are usually ignored in debates like this.

It isn't a shitposting thing, it's that the numbers are internally inconsistent and usually bear no resemblance to the ships' performance on screen and in fiction.

Typically, soft comparative measures tend to hold up better both internally and versus other settings.

>>51090046

This guy's got a good rebuttal. Others have already explained why hyperspace lanes are mapped, not built like the webway.

What makes Empire different from Eldar is that Eldar tend to do small raiding forces, not huge victory fleets.

Astropath messages arrive in roughly the same delay as a Star Wars ship operating under hyperdrive. A Star Wars ship can cross the galaxy in a week or so; in 40k that can take decades. Yes, many Empire ships have x2 hyperdrives, but that makes no difference vs orders of magnitude

The Empire can map out a star system via a FTL-capable fighter, communicating that in real time to the fleet. Then send the entire fleet to a target that's poorly defended. At that point the Astropath sends out his distress call. The fighting rages for a day or two, the Imperium's base is destroyed. The Empire jumps out and returns to base for repairs (if needed).

Around that time, the local Admiral receives the distress call.

When the Eldar do it, it's not thousands of ISDs. They just don't have that kind of throw weight. So "strength in numbers and a compact defense" won't help-- the ISDs can hold their own in a fleet action and thanks to hyperdrive will have superior numbers.

So what are the counters? If you spread out your fleet to cover all the possible targets, the Empire will warp in and pick your cruisers off in twos and threes. If you concentrate your forces for mutual support, then the Empire can bypass you and hit your undefended bases. If you try to attack THEIR worlds, then the Empire has weeks to hit your undefended bases and can still return in time to defend itself in a fleet action.

Cite needed on escorts being able to do Exterminatus. That's not true in BFG or the RPG, at least, and I can't recall any other cases in the fiction or codices. All ships in both settings can provide ortillery support.

>>51082703
I agree with your ideas and conclusions.

While it seems like Star Wars space battles take place in ridiculously close quarters, the sheer mobility and dependability of the Empires forces would make this a no-brainer. The Empire could simply choose to methodically deploy troops wherever the Imperium WASN'T doing it.

The more interesting this is how the fuck the longer prospect is for the Empire. The Star Wars galaxy is full of different peoples, with good and bad qualities, and opinions, but not usually with people who one-sidedly get off on suffering and evil and mutation.

How the fuck do deployed peacekeeping Storm Troopers react the first time a chaos cult pops up and just horrifically murders some outback garrison?
Their ability to contain and prevent this stuff would probably be laughable. Don't forget that the Imperium has their draconic brand of religious fascism for a reason.

In the end, I imagine it a bit like the Mongol invasions of central asia / eastern europe.
A complete blitzkrieg, with the Empire winning and then promptly falling apart to civil war and general mayhem.

And then the real fun starts.

>>51085493
>In space the Empire wins, on ground the Imperium wins.

Shields are the issue here. 40k void shield can work against almost anything. Deflector shields do not work against anything but energy based attacks. For high-velocity projectiles they use a secondary form of protection called particle shields. However they are far more energy hungry. The end effect is that in setting most catiapil ships have rather weak particle shields and thus can be breached via a few concussion missiles.

The Imperium uses a mix of weapon types. some of there warship like the sword class frigate use lasers. The Lunar class heavy cruiser ( most common type of Imperium heavy cruiser) has half of its ship to ship weapons as projectile based and half as very high powered lasers.

The Imperium would win the first few battles hard. But would the Empire wise up and change plans? Ideally raiding with out giving battle barring highly lopsided numbers.

>>51096294
It doesn't matter. The enemies ships are not targets in their own right, they are simply roadblocks in the way of seizing planets or resources.

Empire ships can travel nearly instantly from one end of the galaxy to the other.

I agree that from the space-battles we see from the respective sources, the Imperium would be able to obliterate any Empire fleet in seconds.
The standard Imperial warships are kitted out like fucking deathstars in their own right.
But it would be like 19th century ships-of-the-line fighting modern day somali pirates in speedboats. It wouldn't matter, because the speedboats have no incentive to go anywhere near the man-o-war

>>51096002
>A Star Wars ship can cross the galaxy in a week or so

In one of the New Jedi order novels in notes a travel time of 210 days for a Imperial II class to go from one side of the galaxy to the other if going thru only well mapped areas. Keep in mind not all star wars ship travel at the same speed. Most big ships use a class 2 drive. The ships that are made only for fast travel use a class .5, and are four times as fast.

>in 40k that can take decades.

Try four to seven years for typical freighters. Some ships are rigged to go faster and make fewer pit stops. For those it is more like 8 to 16 months.

>>51081565
He's saying that the Vong clashed with the tone and thematics of Star Wars, which they did. Alot of the EU seemed to be people either rehashing OT ideas, or bringing enemies and conflict that would be more at home in Star Trek than in Star Wars, like the Vong.

>>51074957

If you help us defeat these FILTHY XENOS, you shall have our support, but until than point we cannot aid you by the virtue of mere survival already placing our empire over capacity. Now, muster your forces and drive them away!

>>51081440

You know, the Empire is starting to sound a bit TOO evil for the Imperium of Man, and the IoM are certainly not boy scouts.

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>>51074957
our ships are bigger. we have more men. we have astarties. bend your knee to the eternal god emperor or die.

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>>51096924
Rethink what you're posting. The pure COUNT of personnel is better than the ships.

>>51097051
>get guardsmen on ships
>macro cannon fires a large hollowed out torpedo with guardsmen inside
>entire enemy ship overtaken and captured in 3 shots

>>51097159
You chucklefuck! The guardsmen ARE the ship! They ARE the torpedo! The guardsmen are EVERYTHING!

>>51097254
Wow, the all guardsmen party really went to some weird places didn't they?

>>51096385
I guess the part of what I am getting at is a issue of mind set and a willingness to learn. In Enemy lines: Rebel Dream and Enemy Lines: Rebel Stand Wedge Antilles makes a point that a highly inflexible had only being a thing for 19 years. The at the time of the war with the CIS the republicmindset and a unwillingness to learn is what really let the Rebel Alliance win. There is a few exceptions, but they are very rare till after the Empire had functional lost the war to Rebels.

Honestly it is not hard to see why they are that way. The Imperial Navy navy was very tiny, and much of its officers ended up having to be fire and or killed for a host of reasons. The GAR gave data but to being made of clones and Jedi did not give officers to the new Imperial Navy. The best it got at the start was a few pirate hunters ( grand moff Tarkin), officers from core world navies ( that before the clone wars had not fought a war in damn never forever), and defector from a alien empire in the unknown reaches (grand admiral thrawn). They act like they have long standing traditions to give the new order a air of legitimacy but that only hurts themselves by making them full of themselves.


So on first contact would they do a lot of dum things? Them do not know they have a edge on the IoM in FLT yet and will not know till they get a enemy officer or bridge computer. That sounds like a lot of room to fight costly large scale battles.

>>51097051
It's not orbiting the star. It's marching around it on patrol.

My fucking sides are fucking orbiting you fumy cunt.

>>51096385
...but here, the man-o-war is sitting right in the only usable port, and to go around it would be to get close enough for it to buttfuck you with boarding parties?

>>51097417
*All Guardsman Fleet

>Death Star

>DarkSaber (More Powerful than Death Star)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darksaber_(superweapon)

>Desolator (Can Destroy Planets)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Desolator_(superweapon)

>Galaxy Gun (Can fire through FUCKING HYPSERSPACE to destroy planets)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_Gun

>Sun Crusher (Can trigger stars to go SUPERNOVA destroying entire solar systems)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher

COME AT ME 40k AND SEE WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS

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>>51100097
>wow i can destroy planets
>wow i can also destroy planets
>and this as well
>i am uncreative as shit and don't realise that 40kids can perform exterminatus with regular capital ships instead of needing to spend autistic amounts of effort and wasted resources to make shitty superweapons that get rekt

Also, ENJOY ALL YOUR SHIT NOT BEING CANON ANY MORE

>>51100866

>Needing multiple capital ships to destroy a planet population (They cant even destroy the planet itself)

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Death star would just 1 shot every 40k Capital ship.

>>51077643
Dude, the force is literally a quiet realm of souls, if they tried to do any force shit in the 40k galaxy, it come out either only on the dark side, or immensly fucked up

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>>51101022
>the force is literally a quiet realm of souls

>>51101047
>What are the Whills, Abeloth, the Father and his children, if not Chaos Gods
>a vast source of power that emanates from all living things, and has a vast array of powers, and is often used as a plot device/armor

>>51100903
>multiple capital ships
hahaha what

>would just 1 shot every 40k Capital ship
Gee, I hope you've got plenty of power for that thing, because you've got an awful lot of shooting to do. And oh, wait, what happened to all your other non-canon superweapons? Oh.

>>51101131

>Impplying 1 shot isnt enough to destroy an army of 40k capital ships
>Implying the emperor couldnt just conjour a force storm strong enough to destroy an entire army of 40k shops.

The 40k Empire, Tyrannids, Chaos/ect is nothing in the face of the imperial empire.

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>>51101281
>impplying
>army of capital ships
>40k shops
>40k Empire
>Tyrannids
>imperial empire
Holy tits anon either you're about 14 or you're trying waaaay too hard at pic related