News from the front. Cadia has fallen. I repeat Cadia has fallen.

Appropriate thread music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3bkJTJ6O9Y

>>51070663
Haha fuck off, Guardfags.

>MUH LINE status:
>Held: [ ]
>Not held: [x]

>>51070749
The line was held and Abaddon was forced to fuck off. It wasn't us who fucked this up .

>>51070799
Actually, as Abaddon said to Creed, the traitors didn't have to land on Cadia. Abaddon was just there to break the Cadians as a matter of pride. Though, he failed to it he already achieved what he wanted before landing. He set in motion the planets exploding before his feet even touched the surface.

Abaddon pulled an Ozymandias

posting in a carnac thread

>>51070838
That look like pathetic excuse to justify he can't win on ground. Claiming that all is "Just as Planned" while crying inside cause he fail once more to regain his pride.

>>51070838
As I said, the line was held. Not our fault someone blew up the planet the line was on. That is firmly on the Imperial Navy, Inquisition, or AdMech.

Chaos gods, can you just blow up the planet so I can move on?

>>51070663
Wait what did they actually move the 40k storyline forwards?

Yall niggas postin in a Carnac thread

>>51070884
The Imperial Guard commanders (Creed, etc) also trusted Trazyn and his help. So the blame is on all sides of the Imperial garrison.

>>51070903

Yes.

So, what happened to characters like Creed and Celestine? Did they die?

>>51070903

END OF TIMES

>>51070956
Celestine and Creed survive.

Abaddon bitch slaps Celestine down but for some reason doesn't finish her. He proceeds to chocke Creed to death. She gets up and stabs Abaddon in the back saving Creed.

Then everybody flee as Cadia begins expolding.

>>51070663
Just stay on your half of Cadia for now on and we will stay on our side.

>>51070973
>She gets up and stabs Abaddon in the back saving Creed.
Ladies and gentlemen, imperial "heroism".

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You can thank me later, primitives. It was a pleasure working alongside you. Good fortune for all our future ventures.

>>51070749
How many losses did Abaddon take?

>>51071013
Not enough.

>>51070663

Someone can sum it up ? I don't read WD, so what happen exactly ?

Imagine Creed's wrath and the following tactical shenanigans to slow down the chaos forces advancing to Terra if Creed survive this...

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>>51071005

>>51070964
AGE OF EMPEROR WHEN

>>51071037
Cadia is lost.

>>51071037
-Trazyn decided out of boredom to play a uper herp.
-He comes to Cadia and poofs Imperial armies and a angry witch hunter lady
-he tells the Imperial dudes who to activate the pylons
-Imperial dudes activate the pylons
-daemons are banished, possessed are in pain as their daemon hals go away, psykers be crippled or die, void shields go out, Abaddon losses the Chaos Gods blessing but still strong without them, Celestine loses her connection to the Emperor becomes a normal human
-instead of giving the Imperials the advantage, it screws them over hard.
-Abaddon easily beats her down, proceeds to choke Creed, she stabs him in the back.
-Abaddon teleports out before Cadian reinforcements arrive
-The pylon network pushes back the Eye of Terror for a bit before overloading and destroy Cadia

>>51071054

No I mean, how that's happen ? Did Failbadon put on chaos shenaningan with the Black Fortress, did the Demon Primarch finally pull they ass up ?

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>>51071005
Indeed. I look forward to it, since we were the only individuals who actually did anything important or helpful in any way. See you around.

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>>51071102

Thank, sir.

>>51070973
seems to be a repeat failure on the part of Chaos... they have the chance to finish off a supremely powerful being but always take time to focus on the little guy... and it promptly fucks them over

>>51071143
I say Creed is more important than Celestine in the coming grand war as the traitors make a dash towards Terra.

>>51071102
How did Abby teleport if the warp connection is out of order?

>>51071173
because Chaos Mary Sue powers

>>51071173
Abaddon before the Warp was fully sealed up, Abaddon used the last bits of the Warp to teleport himself and his chosen out.

>>51071102
I am not surprised, but I am disappointed.

>>51071199
>disappointed.
By what?

>>51071163
Yep. No pure combat character is at all important on a galactic scale. Abbadon does more harm than good with his insistance on taking the field himself, Celestine, Greyfax and the Wolves guys are completely bloody useless. The Guard, the Admech and the Navy will be the ones actually fighting a meaningful war, with SM support for surgical strikes and such.

>>51071207
or blowing entire Chaos fleets apart with the Phalanx and The Rock

>>51071205
Its abruptness. The fact that they didn't use any of the cool stuff that the players did when they fought it.

Having it all wrapped up in a single book's a let down, especially after the last, two-book affairs.

>>51071220
Or that. Really, they just need to mass up the Navy, add the SM fleets and the Baskilion Astra (Admech navy) and a few Arks Mechanicus and just blow the Chaos fleet out the water. Also Ordinatii must be made, and the Last Wall doctrine enforced so they can actually fight a proper campaign that isn't a series of skirmishes that were put to shame in scale by the Second World War.

Honestly this just proves once more what a fucking idiot and failure Abaddon truly is

>Doesn't need to land on planet, at all
>"Hey, hey, let's go down there anyways and beat their ass, just to hurt their morale, ya know? It will probably cost us lots of men and resources, but I have a great thirst for tears"
>"Lol look at this shit, they're sending a woman to fight me"
>"Too ez, I'm terminator spess muhreen" *slap*
>"Hey look it's that tactical genius Creed, on the frontlines no less (that doesn't make sense...), let's go choke him, and by that I mean barely apply any pressure whatsoever outside of what is needed to lift him off the ground, because squeezing any harder and I might actually kill him, but I'm not here to kill him, just break his spirit"
>"OH FUCK MY SIDES
>"OH MY FUCKING GOD I FORGOT ABOUT THE WOMAN"
>"Sir, we need to leave, like now, because we rigged this planet to explode before, ya know, teleporting down onto it for whatever dumbass reason"
>"Oh shit you're right, let me just fucking walk away from the woman who just stabbed me and let's go"
>"Why the fuck did I go down there again?

Single handedly the dumbest motherfucker in all of 40k, even considering Gretchin.
Still armless as ever.

How many CSM's were on cadia when it blew?

>>51071223
Given that Cadia fell in one book imagine what's next. This event is supposed to last for two years.

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>>51071143
Such is their curse, driven to punish all good deeds (and reward evil ones) no matter what ill fortune it may bring.

>>51071252
plug a few cog boys into the Arcs to bust out fleet killing, black hole spitting, time fucking Dark Age goodness

>>51071254
Not many. The Crimson Slaughter did a sweep over the planet with their aircraft and picked up any CSM they could find before leaving the planet.

The mutants and traitor guard were left on the planet to meet their ultimate fate.

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>>51071276
Yep, just finished reading that book yesterday. They should really do that more.

>>51071287
>>51071276
FFS, that is -one- unique ship they have. That shit is not universal.

>>51071260
>imagine what's next
I am less invested in what they do afterwards, however. Especially if they're just going to skip to the climax each time.

>>51071287
"oh that's a nice world killing ship you have there Mr. Despoiler, it would be a shame if someone.... shot a black hole at it!"

>They had lost
>But they had also won

This entire bullshit campaign summed up, don't worry, the plot is NOT moving forward, battles are being fought where one side can both win and lose at the same time.

>>51071301
but the Arc Mechanicus' are all like that

>>51071332
Honestly whoever wrote this line should be fired

>>51071332
This is also what happened in Wrath of Magnus, in Mont'ka, in Shield of Baal. Except Death Masque because the Eldar can only lose

I am seeing a pattern.

>>51071334
No, the Speranza is special. It even mocked the idea that it's just a DaoT ship in book 3 IIRC.

>>51071346
It's Matt Ward

>>51071332

Cadia being destroyed is more progress than Wrath of Magnus or Mont'ka.

>>51071332
Victory is not binary.
They won in that they defied Abaddon to the last.
They lost in that they died and got their shit blown up.

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>>51071301
Ark Mechanicus is a class of ship, and they are nearly all that old. They may not have exactly that gun, but they are all armed with DAoT bullshitonium weapons. Even in their regular state they easily overmatch Navy Emperor-class battleships.

>>51071316

"Oh, hi Mr. I can fight with only melee weapons and a Storm Bolter. Meet the Ulator".

>>51071358

Even without the Speranza's specialist powers, the Admech have plenty of stuff that could easily take down the Planet Killer and anything in the Chaos arsenal, just with weight of fire and sheer toughness.

>>51071361
FUCK!!!!

>>51071399
but they're too busy bashing their cyberdongs on it to use it

>>51071420
Normally, yes. Most of them have enough sense to bring them out when required, though, since most Ordinatii are custom-built to the situation whenever needed. They built one for Ghazzy's WAAGH and such.

The Heresy-old Archmagos goes to Cadia with some shitty basic troops, rather than Ordinatii by the score, Arks Mechanicus, Myrmidons, all the bullshit he can scrape up. Why not cyclonic torpedo the planet when it's clearly lost and loads of Chaos bigwigs are stuck there for a while since the Warp isn't working? Fucks sake, a planet-scale war ends in a fucking DUEL between generals. Like, there's Sci-fi scale, and then there's that.

Point six billion Skitarii, which is half of what ONE FORGEWORLD sent, and all their support, at Abbadon and his 5 termies. Laugh in binary.

Is there any scan?

>>51071480
I wouldn't expect full scans/proper digital files this soon. Let the book actually release first.

>>51071463
or the Guard could have pointed every artillery battery they had at Abby when his Chaos protection went away... but did they, nope

>>51071386
Are you actually defending this shit writing? Are you ok with every future campaign ending with

>They lost
>But they also won

or alternatively

>They won
>But they had also lost

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>>51070838
Yu meen zee arrmlezz thule didn't ezen kapchor zit thor kaos bethor eggsplod-ing it??

>>51071517
>It was the end times
>But it was also the beginning times

>>51071544
Pls no

>>51071517
>Are you actually defending this shit writing?

Not really.
But it makes sense, and is obviously meant to be a bone thrown to Imperial players while letting Chaos actually win and have the story advance.

>>51071399
>Ark Mechanicus is a class of ship, and they are nearly all that old. They may not have exactly that gun, but they are all armed with DAoT bullshitonium weapons. Even in their regular state they easily overmatch Navy Emperor-class battleships.

Incorrect. Most Ark Mechanicus are fitted with the best weaponry the Mechanicus can create, but only the best they can create. They're still much more advanced and scary that your average Imperial battleship, but none of them even come close to matching the Speranza.

The Speranza is exceptional even by DAoT standards. It's outrights stated that it is not at all the norm and contains technology absolutely beyond what DAoT was mostly capable of. It's likely that even in its heyday the Speranza was a one-of-a-kind superweapon that represented the greatest achievement of the greatest human minds in the galaxy.

>>51071564
I said it before. No faction is allowed to have a clear victory over the Imperium in ANY GW studio publication

>>51071566
Oh yes, the Speranza is one-of-a-kind, but I was saying that together with the rest of the Navy it should be fairly easy to beat Abaddon's fleet. Most of those are just regular warships, apart from a few daemon-ships, the Planet Killer and a few fancy warp-toys from the Hellforges. Also, in a ground battle, the Admech have far better tech than their opponents and just don't seem to use any of it. One Ulator, Reaver Titan or Myrmidon Cult could probably have taken down Abbadon easily in that battle.

>>51071517
>t. never heard of Pyrrhus of Epirus

Isn't the destruction of Cadia something that Chaos didn't want?

>>51071692
I think anon's issue is that every fucking time a big battle goes down, whether it be IA or Kauyon or someshit, it's always a Pyrrhic stalemate with GW being too chickenshit to actually commit to a "this faction won, this is the result". It just comes across as being a bit pathetic.

>>51071732

Kauyon was an outright victory. Mont'ka was the Pyrrhic one.

>>51071745
Fair do, I just heard the shitposts about the firewall.
You gotta admit though, an outright victory for any one faction is a fucking rarity.

>>51071732
I mean, I thought being stuck in a grisly, 10,000 year inconclusive stalemate where every victory is accompanied with equal parts of loss was part of the setting, but yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's like fence sitting on a galactic narrative scale.

>>51071716
Crimson Path

>>51071732
>>51071574
It's almost as if the setting is predicated on there being a status quo of total mutual war or something.

And where any faction you might want to buy into has its share of victories.

>>51070998
>*teleports behind you*
>the emporer protects, kid

>>51071805
Victories were they lose, and losses where they win.

>>51071631
>Admech have far better tech than their opponents and just don't seem to use any of it

Welcome to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

>>51071875
>TFW the AdMech have a sure fire way to stop a Tyranid planetary invasion, and they promptly forgot about it immediately after use.

>>51071805
But anon I play Orks and Craftworld Eldar and we've never won a major war ever.

Our Head Honchos have never even beaten a single Space Marine Chapter in battle. Don't tell lies anon.

>>51071692
Pyrrhus of Epirus would kill for what 40k defines as 'Pyrrhic victories'. 8000+ years of pyrrhic victories and your Empire is still the largest in the galaxy and you've never lost a single major war? Yeah, that's not a pyrrhic victory at all.

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>>51071902
If oyu are talknig about the bio toxin thath they used on the ultramarines that was only because of their luck of finding a pure strain lictor. Using that genes they were able to effect the whole sub mutations. Without having access to individual pure strains of the hive fleets you cant use it on others.

>>51071875

They have the tech but mostly they dont know how it works so they cant replicate it. That is why STC's are so important. It is the ikea of the far future.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
A NEW MILLENNIUM OF SLAUGHTER HAS FINALLY DAWNED!

>>51071950
I guess on a galactic scale, no, it's not. But every pyrrhic victory the Imperium sustains can cost them planets, worlds, and billions of lives, and they're only clawed back by ruthlessly expending the latter over and over again.

>>51071985
Planets and manpower they replenish.

Its not a pyrrhic victory if no significant lasting harm doesn't result from it.

The Imperium's never lost anything of consequence (with the possible exception of now int he Fall of Cadia though we'll see how it goes).

The Pyrrhic victory obsession just comes because GW straps 'HEAVY LOSSES' on everything it does. And like anything if every battle results in heavy losses, but said losses don't have a carry on effect later, the term becomes overused and meaningless.

Besides the Imperium is described in the latest rulebook as being bigger than its ever been. So the use of the Pyrrhic Victory shows GW doesn't know what a Pyrrhic Victory is.

[laugh from the grave]

>>51072008
Fair, I stopped reading the rulebooks and playing the game so I just orbit around the RPGs and a couple BL novels nowadays. Consider what I said my headcanon about how the Imperium ought to work. If it doesn't jive with how GW is currently writing them, that's fine by me.

>>51071463
Admech dont really have anything to spare
all skitarii are either safeguarding the forgeworlds and other vital imperial technologial and industrial assets or being sent to claim the Omnicopaeia

>>51070663
Source? Oh, it's fake, see you!

>>51072030
Well that's fine. I'll admit I don't know the RPG's very well but I can't imagine anything within them can change that status quo since in the recorded fluff the Imperium simply hasn't suffered significant losses of wars.

Curious about BL though, in my experience overwhelmingly BL is just about Marines beating everyone and everything under the sun.

Still I can understand about having one's own headcannon over how things work.

>>51071271

>Ollanius Pius 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>51072065
I mostly read the guard novels mate. Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, couple of oneshots like Dead Men Walking and Cadian Blood. Liked Night Lords, but keep hearing bad things about ADB here so I dunno.

I guess my headcanon about how pyrrhic the Imperium's main victories are probably derives from how humanised the Guard stories tend to be compared to Marine wank and how many likeable characters end up dying senselessly.

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>>51071934

>Craftworld Eldar
>Never won a major war

There are entire campaign books about Eldar beating multi-faction opponents. Valedor was big campagin book about Eldar winning. Only Tyranids never win major wars.

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>>51071934
>Our Head Honchos have never even beaten a single Space Marine Chapter in battle. Don't tell lies anon.

You beat ten in one battle. I don't believe you've ever actually read CWE fluff.

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>>51071399
>can fight with only melee weapons and a Storm Bolter
They're very nice melee weapons.
I don't think Drach'nyen should even still be able to do this now that it's only S5.

>>51071716
From 6th edition onwards, Abaddon has wanted Cadia and the pylons gone so the Eye of Terror can expand as the Black Crusade progresses.

In the original version, Abaddon "dared not" destroy Cadia because of the pylons, even though fluff from the beginning of the campaign had suggested that they were keeping the Eye from growing (it isn't a new idea). Back then, expanding the Eye wasn't part of his strategy, and also I imagine different writers had conflicting ideas about what the ramifications of removing the pylons would be.

>>51071182
I.e. Adb levels of chaos wank

ID LIKE TO SEE YOU CHAOS FAGS TAKE CATACHAN

>>51072174
>imperialfag bitching about other factions getting wanked
Now this is just rich.

>>51072165
Yeah, but no matter how shiny the sword it still has less range than a plasma gun. In any sane battle he would be surrounded and shot to hell by Admech Kataphrons or tanks the moment he tried to lead the charge from the front.

>>51072139
Yeah, you're right, should have prefaced it with 'against the Imperium'

>>51072148
Gee was Eldrad or Ghazghkull there? You know the Big Cheeses of their respective factions? No, no they weren't.

Hey, here's an idea, why don't you go find a battle where Ghazghkull or Eldrad beat a Space Marine Chapter.

>>51072148
Though not that anon, as a CWE fan, name one battle where the CWE beat either Blood Angels/Dark Angels/Space Wolves/Ultramarines in a battle.

Name one.

So cadians become Tainth 2.0 the electric bungaloo?

>>51071332
Not much mention of the wolves top level -grimnar etc
Most likely we will have a battle of the bulge situation where chaos sweeps into the surrounding sector but is held back by massive effort
Then they do a just as planned and it was all for nothing

>>51072238

Cadia wasn't really the best place ever


I wonder if Bastonne is alive he's gonna need a lot of tattoos after this

>>51072214
...Ghazghkull once beated Yarrick once?

>>51072212
Except Abby's a terminator lord and those fight by teleporting behind you and then fucking your shit up by blowing up important vehicles and killing commanders while the rest of the army pushes from the front.

>>51072277
if they ever get around to making a veteran kit, I could see him getting the nork treatment

>>51072277

TATTOOS ALL OVER HIS FACE

>>51070663

Why is something this big


So...so underwhelming

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>another fucking deus ex machina resolution
They really need to stop doing this. It might be okay in a standalone story, but in 40k the lore is tied to the game. A cool thing in 40k for many is getting to play these narrative battles and recreate the decisive moments for yourself. But apparently if you refight the defence of Cadia as the Imperials and win, they message is "LOL none of your games matter the planet blows up anyway". And it's been the same for most of the recent campaigns - Fenris wasn't held by the Space Wolves on the field of battle, it was held by some world spirit thing turning up; the Crimson Slaughter were defeated in the campaign before that, but it doesn't matter because some offscreen ritual meant they won; and so on.

It's awful, and it ruins the whole schtick of the story being tied to the game if battles between armies aren't what decides where the plot goes. Yes, I'm getting pretty mad with this.

>>51072367

Hero hammer power creep

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>>51072233

Why specifically those chapters? Dan Abnett has a short story about Jain Zar killing some Dangles. There's no specifc story about ultras, but almost every other picture in the Eldar codex features Eldar doing a merry jig on ultra corpses.

>>51070663
Latest WD battle report, Cadia doesn't fall. Revived St. Celestine was revived and helped push Abbadon back.

>>51070663
So, does that mean we can all stop wearing Cadian green flak armor and diversify into our unique regimental appearances again?

>>51072292
Did Yarrick become a Space Marine while I wasn't looking?

>>51072436

The battle report had nothing to do with the story.

>>51072393
You mean besides the obvious fucking reasons? How about because Iyanded, Biel-Tan, Saim-hann and Ulthwe have all had losses to those Chapters.

Why can't the reverse happen? What major Wars have Space Marine Chapters of importance ever lost to CWE?

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HEY CADIANS YOU NEED A PLANET? YOU CAN USE OURS

OH WAIT

>>51072393
A short story where a Phoenix Lord beats Space Marines and doesn't die? What's it called anon I want to read this.

>>51072301
Then every one of those just spins around and does the same thing, since he's then in slow termie armour with a sword and a claw. He can't affect a proper battle, it's just the writers wanking their heroes to unreasonable levels. I want a battle, not 4 people having an indecisive swordfight every book while everyone else's contributions mean jack shit, since if you kill Creed and Celestine apparently all the Admech, Guard and Marines will run away and if you don't they're all immortal or some bullshit.

That duel means almost exactly nothing in the context of a millions-strong battle, let alone a galactic one.

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No seriously how can something THIS BIG be so fucking bland and boring

Not a chaos or imperialfag but what the fuck thats all that happens?


Who wrote this trash

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I'm sure someone have already said it but...

Isn't the whole rason abby haven't planet killer'd Cadia before, because he NEEDED the kind of stable way in and out of the eye it provided?

What's the point? If They could still get out otherways, on a relible scale, what was so importent about the Cadia gate?

And if it is importent, then haven't Abby just concolidated the forces of the eye to mere random raiding parties that can't sally forth at any rate?

I'm so confused.

>>51072470
And to think that the Jokaero managed to beat the crap of the Deathwatch in the latter Codex.

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>>51072540
(((Who))) indeed?

>>51072470

Well that's pretty arbitrary. I can cherry pick too. Find me battles where Flesh Tearers beat one of the main 5 craftworlds. Or where Novamarines or Imperial Fists beat one of the 5? It's almost as if when you add tonnes of restrictions you can shift goal posts real easy. And even then, half of your cherry picked examples actually had lost to Eldar.

>>51071102
>-instead of giving the Imperials the advantage, it screws them over hard.
HOW? How does repelling chaos energy somehow cripple the imperial forces more than the chaos one?

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>>51072582

>>51072487

I made a whoopsie, it was by Graham McNeille. It's called The Silent Death. If you google it you'll find it.

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>>51072692

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Here is what should have happened

>Every single named IG character is mentioned or brought up
>Catachans holding to the east or some shit
>Commissar Cain was sent on an extremely suicidal mission as usual
>Commissar Gaunt and his soldiers were reported some random hill like usual
>Commissar Yarrick is seen spear heading an assault
>Elysians are grav chuting in key points to break up chaos lines
>The great Tallarn armor regiments are sent to support Lord Pask
>The mighty Death Korps Artillery batteries shake the ground
>The mighty Vostroyan Firstborn unleash hell onto the advancing heretics
>Stubborn Valhallans charge into most likely death
>Space marine drop pods from various chapters darken the sky
>Rough Riders from various regiments prepare to charge with all of them one their various horses and beasts
>Titan and knight operators prepare their machines for war with prayer
>The mechcanicus and Skirtali forces march on probally all praying to the ominsaiash
>Lukas Bastonne gets his men ready for the coming battle he is prepared to fight for his home but fears how many more faces he must remember
>Final cut is to Creed himself and he probably has a monologue about his time as a Cadian
>The final words being him telling Colour Sergeant Kell various orders and to HOLD THE LINE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0YxeTjFn70

My fucking god 4 CHARACTERS?!

>>51072688
Celestine lost her power and the humans lose their hope and faith.

CSM even without Chaos are still SM

>>51072688
Apparently because the imperials have psykers and it got rid of celestine's powers so therefore that's worse. Literally because it weakened one woman the entire defense lost heart completely. Even the Admech who can't feel fear for the most part.

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>>51072748

Yeah fucking Regimental daily said over A 1000 IG regiments were coming.

I wouldnt have cared if Cadia got BTFO but this is Warhammer 40k where the fucks the mass bodies the war?

>>51072466
actually they do now.

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>>51071631
>Admech have far better tech than their opponents and just don't seem to use any of it
>Expecting us to put precious and irreplacable machines into harm's way simply to protect a few meatbags

>>51072799
Regimental Daily is specifically in-universe propaganda though, bear that in mind.

That said it's likely it all happened so fast that a lot of the regiments were in transit when Cadia was kill.

>>51072843
My fellow Magos, I simply wish to destroy the heretical abominations of the Hell-forges, and show them our superior technology.

>>51072799

Yeah, I wanted a fucking WAR, not a 2v1 duel that decides a galactic battle. Where's the awesome siege?

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>>51072748

>mfw seeing of what we could have gotten

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Okay calling it

Chaos goes to Terra literally a fucking copy to the Horus Heresy Siege and Celestine fucking teleports to Abbys ship he dies but uh oh she dies also then maybe primarchs come back.


literal shit you fags ask for the setting to advance AND HERE WE ARE

Question is will 40k lore get so bland that 40k posting on /tg/ might actually go down?

>>51071561
>>51071544
>AGE OF EMPEROR SOON

>>51072692
>>51072702

If his plan was to fuel the long dick of Chaos, then why not Planet Killer'd Cadia long ago?

>>51070964
>>51071049

Age of Emperor has to be the worst meme to ever caught on for 40k

>>51072965
Because a Goulding and Merrett

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>>51070663
>>51071102


>Black Library allowed this


Its so fucking bland let the endtimes happen for all that matters but this shit was boring

>>51072750
>>51072767
On one side :
> All demons go pouf, possessed things go silent (that include many vehicles), sorcerers are useless at best, gods boons are negated...
On the other:
> One girl lost her special gifts, much less relied upon psykers are useless

Clearly the Imperium is much more dependant on the warp at the planet scale than people that are partially to totally made of it.

It should have instantaneously and completely disrupt the chaos army. Why would you introduce plot point just to handwave it away? If you want the chaos to win, why give an "I win" button to their enemies and then say "nuh uh!".
It would be like introduce a tyranid superweapon that neutralise any technology and then have the tau beat them up because they are less affected by it than tyranids.

>>51072767

Ho fucking can it be ? How the CSM, used to bath in the warp, with mutation, gift and shit are not more affected than normal human and shit themselve when they realise their gods let them down/cannot help them ?

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I fear the 40k community will be split if this shit continues

Your gonna have the 5Efags who dont listen to any new thing BL,WD,or GW release.

Then your gonna have the die hard nu40kfags who constantly enforce the new lore and canon to spite the 5E fags.

>>51071013
Only his martial pride and reputation as a duellist.

>>51073084

The question is would anyone listen to nu40k?

EVERYONE has their own interpretation of the setting

>>51072988

GW is retarded and cant write something new with any coherency whatsoever. End of discussion.

>>51070663
So who was on Cadia when it blew up?

>>51073178
your dog

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>>51072965

He didn't mean to, one of his arms just fell off onto the "explode planet" button.

And then he pretended it was "the Will of Chaos"

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>>51073198

NOT COMMISSAR PIDDLES!?

>>51073084
This is the future you chose.

>>51073094
>Only his martial pride and reputation as a duellist.
Why though, he beat Celestine handily, and was about to choke Creed. She had to back stab him to make him run away.

>>51071102
>-The pylon network pushes back the Eye of Terror for a bit before overloading and destroy Cadia
Goddamnit Necrons. You had ONE JOB.

>>51073084

Anyone who preaches nu40k lore does it for (you)s they know it gets people mad

>>51072965
Planet Killer is a midlife crisis mobile. It looks good and it's really powerful but it's never going to be convenient to use and he doesn't actually know how to drive it.

>>51073218
>Bested by a drunken old man and a girl

Truly a great Astartes.

What do you think Abaddon was doing before Cadia exploded? Writing a resignation speech?

>>51073215
He was the Emperor's goodest boy.

>>51071544
>It was the best of times
>It was the worst of times
A tale of two planets when?

>>51070663
Nice try, Heretic.

https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

>>51070663
>The Eye is surging forth.
Confirmed for know-nothing faggot

Cadia is not holding back the Eye of Terror from eating the rest of the Galaxy, that's not what the pylons do.

In fact the forces of Chaos need Cadia more than the Imperium, since the pylons are responsible for the Cadian Gate, the one stable warp-route in and out of the Eye of Terror, because the warpstorms surrounding the rest of it will fuck up anyone, Chaos included, if they try and sail through them.

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>>51073236

Wait a second, wasn't Xeno supposed to wandering off to fix the pylon on cadia?

Did...did matt ward just kill Xeno?

>>51073299
How is being stabbed in the back 'getting bested'?

By that logic everyone who's died of assassination has been 'bested'.

Wait did Ward really write this?

>>51073323
Read the Crimson Path. You are spouting outdated fluff.

>>51073343
yes.

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>>51073368

Wow I was actually saying the Ward memes should end.

Seriously fuck him then

>>51073328
Aby's the one who didn't bother to finish Celestine off. His fault.

So 40k's gonna get Sigmar'd?

>>51073388
Yes his fault and some very retarded writing, but doesn't count as being 'bested' by the girl who he bitch-slapped then left for dead and the old man he was strangling with a lightning claw.

>>51073419

Well he was still a SM in Termi armor where Celestine was just a human girl, without her power as Living Saint. So no glory in that.

>>51073378

This is always the way - Our Spiritual Liege does good crunch and the worst, the absolute worst, fluff.

As our spiritual leige giveth, so doth he taketh awayeth alsoth.

>>51073470
Never said there was. I don't think she would've stood a chance even with her warp-powers anyway.

This is bit underwhelming. Wraith of Magnus was better. Or it had better models lineup so there was much hype. But Cadia is so important, not Terra/Mars but somewhere along the line, and everything went bit anticlimactic.

>>51073704
I don't know why you expected anything else. GW cannot write a strong, satisfying narrative to save themselves. Get ready for a whole year and a half of this shit, at least.

>>51071102
Well if that isn't the most retarded bout of writing I've ever seen.

Time to drop 40k literature indefinitely it seems. Jesus Christ.

So basically nobody won? Did some important people aside from creed get killed before cadia got rekt? How can chaos forces get to Terra now?

>>51073628
which is why you get Pask to point his Executioner's Plasma Cannons at him, then pull all of the triggers

>Still no Legion of the Damned or Guardsman Legion of the Damned

Goddammit.

Do they have any formations or anything in that thing? Debating buying it, but I'd like some use for my BT out of it

>>51072884
>Yeah, I wanted a fucking WAR, not a 2v1 duel that decides a galactic battle. Where's the awesome siege?

The rest of the book.

>>51073719
At least the fights in WoM were cool. What we got here was literal movie shit, villain refusing to kill two weaklings who were right in front of him because muh monologues.

>>51072582

Apparently it was the necron faggot who destroyed Cadia, not Abaddon.

Now both the imperium and chaos are fucked, but probably chaos is more fucked

>>51073736
Not really, noone important died and nothing really happened other than Cadia exploding. We haven't had any rules leaks and nothing much seems more than mediocre ATM, so pretty much nothing good.

>>51073810

So not much, then, after factoring in the rules for the new units, the formations, the bullshit about the Phalanx, Cawl fighting Orks, Trayzyn, and the duel.

>>51072988
The Imperials lost hope at seeing the light of the Emperor die, while Chaos' murder boner got even stronger.

>>51073822
Not really. Abaddon's plan was to destroy Cadia to allow the Eye to expand to Terra.

>Abbadon teleports away from danger again

How many times does that make now?

>>51073850
>So not much, then

Just wait. You've probably seen less than ten pages.

>>51073860

he might as well be a secret Necron at this point.

>>51070973

I'm fairly certain Abbs thought she was dead after impaling her with his sword.

>>51070663
Did someone already mentioned how bullshit these stories are?

>>51073368
Prove it.
>Inb4 you post that Twitter picture of Ward in front of the GW building.
No, prove he wrote THIS book.

>>51073960
You'd think a 10k year veteran would be able to tell if someone's really dead or at least have the common sense to shoot her in the head just in case.

>>51074065
I be fair, the sword should have killed her, but the pylons probably fucked it up.

>>51074065
>Chaos.
>Common sense.

>>51073378

>Guy on 4chan said it so it must be true

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>>51073860
He is literally Sam Hyde of 40k. How does the madman keep getting away with it?

>>51074065
She got away, he didn't think she was dead.

>>51074122

So does that mean Cadia didnt blow up?

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>>51070663
>Man with stupid haircut loses a fight with a crippled woman but comes out on top anyway because a robot tampered with machines

How did they know?

>>51074143
Cadia blew up.
Nothing suggest Ward wrote it though.
He's a novelist now.

>>51074014

Its bullshit for both sides

>>51073343
Hasn't Ward finally retired from GW? Good riddance.
His bullshit Knights of Blood and Perpetual Gay Knights were also retconned.

>>51074178

but a guy on 4chan said it so it cant possibly be true

>>51074030
He said he wrote the Genestealer codex in twitter. He said also guess what he also wrote for GW.

>>51074205
How does that follow?

>>51074143

Are you capable of reading reply chains?

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>>51071531
>Dat cultie

>>51074094
>I be fair, the sword should have killed her, but the pylons probably fucked it up.
Not said anywhere in the book.

>>51074139
That makes more sense.

>>51073327

Good riddance.

>>51072483
>The Tanith will never found Nova Tanith

It hurts more than the loss of Cadia and Fenris

>>51071531
See, this is a champion of slaanesh. Horrible and inhuman, but for some reason you want to fuck the shit out of it

Is this really a surprise to anyone? The end of all this was written long ago. Age of Emperor soon.

>>51074538

oh really when

>>51074538
Cadia is just one planet in the galaxy. It ultimately doesn't matter because nids gonna nom the galaxy.

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>>51073859
>Yfw Abaddon stretches the eye of Terror all the way to Terra
>Yfw he sieges the imperial.palace
>Yfw he storms the throne room
>Yfw he sabotages the throne and the ensuing explosion collapses the eye of terror and greatly injures and weakens the chaos gods in the emperor's death throws, setting back the gods plans for millenia
>Yfw this is Abaddon's face

>>51074567
>M-muh hive fleet

Gonna laff when Slaanesh mind fucks the hive mind and makes it a cocksleeve

The Tyranids are a side show

Hopefully Russ will explode out the warp and An Hero'd his Legion after waking that bitch ass nigga Lion up

>>51074672

>Slaanesh
>Litteraly worse god of Chaos
>On Hive Mind, a thing that cannot feel something that can feel Slaanesh

kay

>>51074587

Abaddon could do all that and /tg/ would still meme on him. He literally just blew up Cadia and he's still getting called 'Failbaddon'. Abby could strangle the Lion and Guilliman to death in each hand whilst simultaneously shitting on the Emperor's dying face and /tg/ would call it another failure because he tripped on his shoe laces afterwards.

>>51074722
Slaanesh met the Hivemind in the warp. he casually slapped it aside to eat Eldar souls lingering on a planet being invaded by nids.

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>>51074741
Nah I'd just call him a mary sue and go about my day

>>51074741

He didn't,Trazyn did; he his the one that free the inquisitor bitchies and tell them how to swap on the Pillar.

>>51074741
Come the fuck on man, he failed 11 crusades, 12th was partial success (but still got rekt by Spire). Unless he pulls of 12 successful crusades to even it out he will remain failbaddon

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>>51074782
>he failed 11 crusades

Not this shit again...

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>>51074782
>>51074802

Before we start the same argument

Why do people continuously push Abbadon?

Celestine and her 2 guards gets killed by abaddon but Celestine comes back (while slowly losing her soul each time), Celestine revives just in time to save a one armed mangled creed dying bt abaddon and what remains of the cadian 8th pulls creed to safety. Celestine severely wounds abaddon.
The named ad mech guy got the pylons to close a large section of the eye of terror but in the process blew up a lot of sabotaged pylons and he had to give up holding the pylons together with help from trayzn who was there to actually fight abaddon by releasing a bunch of storm troopers, vostroyans, ogyrns, and ultramarines, (maybe Wulfen too because I have no idea how they got to cadia), but once shit hit the fan trazyn decided he wanted abaddon for his collection. (Trazyn hadn't caught abaddon yet but there is still time).
Inquisitor Greyfax pretty much thinks everyone especially Celestine is a heretic even though Celestine saves greyfax from losing her mind when the pylons went bezerk mode.
So abaddon and chaos temporarily retreats back to the eye but the pylons are gone and most of the imperial forces are beaten and ultimately cadia is going to fall once abaddon regroups.
The pylons are irreplicably damaged and won't be able to stop the next attack. Most of the imperial forces are gone including the freebie units from tryzn such as vostoryans, stormtroopers, greyfax, ogryns, and probably those Wulfen since I have no idea how they got to cadia. Creed lost an arm and was almost dead, Celestine only has a small part of her soul left to revive from, and cawl the named ad mech couldn't save the pylons. Although he was able to use them one last time to close part of the eye of terror and forced abaddon forces to fall back. However without the pylons cadia will be overwhelmed by the warp on the next surge/attack.

>Trazyn is a Necron Overlord
>Necron royalty make a point of being technologically illiterate since technical and scientific information is beneath them and the work of the lesser caste (Crypteks). This makes all Necron royalty clueless when it comes to their own technology. As long as it works, they don't care how
>Trazyn came alone to Cadia without even a Cryptek with him
>Trazyn gave out the technical pylon information to the Admech and told them how it should be activated
>Pylons exploded shortly after activation

This is comedy gold.

>>51074765

>Anon tell it on /tg/ so it's must be true.

>>51073419

It likely counts as 'Being bested' considering they were dueling in the first place. Yeah, it was a very dirty trick but no one said she needs to fight honorably.

It's not like she assassinated him or something. They were dueling and then he turned his back on her.

>>51074741
No, they would call him a sue, which is what he is.

You fail to understand why /tg/ memes him as a failure. It's because despite everything, GW hypes him up as this undefeated monster who is best at everything and browbeats the antediluvian forces of corruption into obeying him with a scowl and threatening language.

Every success, every story about him, just continues to damn him further - Horus' uninteresting step child with no pathos or stake in the war except I'M BETTER THAN HORUS REEEEEE

Shit as hackneyed as the Emperors relationship with the Primarchs was, Abaddon is still just a LITERALLY WHO GW came up with in the 90's cause the name sounded cool. His overall connection to the lore and plot is tenous at best. Kharne the fucking BETRAYER would be a better BBEG, especially in light of his elaborated characterization in the Horus Heresy novels that shows he was the CALM AND SANE ONE

>>51074741

Well, he wasn't even the one who blew it up. That was Trazyn. Abbadon is the guy who got shivved by a powerless human.

>>51070663
>Be me
>Be gue'vesa
>See guardfags crying about cadia
>Watching news
>sipping coffee
> not giving a shit.

>>51074890
The fight ended though when the Cadians arrived to save Creed.

Abaddon rounded and wanted to repay her but he realized that time was over.

If the fight was allowed to continue, Celestine and Creed would be dead.

>>51074927
Hope you enjoy that hive fleet up the anus

>>51074812

>Why does the setting need a big baddy?

Do we really need to explain why a setting about fighting it's dramatically necessary to have a figure head to personify the threat? GW push Abaddon, because the threat of chaos is otherwise just ill defined god hods plotting unknowable things. They fluff the crusades as victories because it's a grimdark setting where humanity is slowly declining and the villains are winning.

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So wait just a goddamned minute...you're fucking telling me that Cadia, the second most heavily fortified world in the Imperium next to Holy Terra, is fucking gone?

>>51074927
>Slowly laughing
>former imperial shithole where I am stationed is bawling their eyes out
>Oh shit I feel sad now.

>>51074927
>chaos proceeds rapes your garrison a new asshole because nobody in charge of anything knows how chaos works

>>51074953
Sort of. It's on the brink of destruction?

>>51074953
Yep

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>>51074251
Hello newfriend, Cultist-chan was something of a rock star around here about 5 - 7 years ago.

So End of 40K Times when?
Does this mean that in Age of Emperor the Squats will finally come back?

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>>51074905
>Kharne the fucking BETRAYER would be a better BBEG
If only.

>>51074850

Wow

Is any new 40k lore that bad?

>>51074981
Jesus Christ keep a NSFW tag over that shi- oh wait, this isn't reddit

From WD "The title is not a farce or an exaggeration but a fact – by the end of this book, Cadia does fall"
Most Epic Spoiler xD

>>51074890
Not a duel when you're fighting two people.

>>51074905
No, Kharn is an animal. He is not a leader of men.

>>51074850
Getting mixed message. Does Cadia fall or not?

>>51075013
Actually, Kharn is a really swell guy.

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>>51074999
Also, panties and convenient censoring isn't NSFW, both of those are on commercials.

>>51072195
Only Space Marines get wanked, the other factions spend all their novels getting the living shit beaten out of them.

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>>51074905

>He's a failure
>And a sue

I've seen /tg/ call him one thing when he fails and another when he wins, but I've never seen someone call him both at the same time. He's a failure, because he wins?

>Kharne the fucking BETRAYER would be a better BBEG

Ooooh, now I see. You're assmad he moped the floor with the single most one note and completely uninteresting character in 40k? Gotcha.

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>>51074981
>tfw just now noticing cultist chans panties are see thru
>tfw just now seeing slit

Is that text below her vagoo? ENHANCE

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Why is something so crazy and terrible to the Imperium and one of the biggest BTFOs in recent times.

So boring? Really this shit is bland and meh who wrote this garbage.

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>>51075038
ENNAHHNNNCCEEE

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>>51074978
>>51074980
HE ACTUALLY DID IT!!
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!!

What an interesting development, I'll be keeping close tabs on what happens next.

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Hey Cadians we got plenty of room on Catachan

Chaos only tried invading once aswell

>>51073810
A rest of a book that seems like it turns out not to matter one bit.

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>>51075061
NOW RUN GEODESIC FILTERS!

>>51075086
>Chaos only tried invading once aswell

How did that turn out?

>>51075086
You'd better invite some sensible crons to set up a new pylons there.

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>>51075086

>inb4 Chaos goes to various IG regiment homeworlds
>They go to Catachan
>The planet decides just once maybe it should stop killing the humans

>>51075036
No but that is part of it. He just slaps the shit out of other named characters, explicitly considered the best in their field, because lmao Abaddon. What did he do to deserve any of it? It's out of nowhere and ill fitting. I could understand if he went on some epic quest to earn his power, or used trickery, or some sort of ace in the hole to dominate his opponents. But he doesn't. He just *wins*, because he's Abaddon.

Be smug if you want Anon, he's a poorly written character. And for 40k thats saying something. He's the villainous equivilant of dick dastardly crossed with white bread. Not even interesting in a post ironic sense.

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>>51075097
What, you don't like Cultist-chan?

Everyone loves Cultist-chan. You just need more exposure.

>>51075154
Actually I like Cultist Chan, except that stupid lmao so randum fanny Waffles shit.

So new Creed model when?

>>51075152

The probelm with Archaon, with all the "Chaos win cause it's chaos, Duh !" nonsense and random treason.

>>51071531
>Cultist-chan
You deserve to be purged in the most painful way imaginable.

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Anyone else find this entire situation boring as fuck?

>>51074498
I don't want to so much as share the planet with it. Cultist a shit.

>>51075201
It's almost as if stories where the outcomes are horribly obvious from the outset are tedious.

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>>51075169
Bro, I have every Cultist-chan picture. Waffles are in like dozen or so. They're just her favorite food.

>>51075152

>He just slaps the shit out of other named characters, explicitly considered the best in their field
>What did he do to deserve any of it? It's out of nowhere and ill fitting.
>He just *wins*, because he's Abaddon.

Who did he beat that was "best in their field"? Kharn is just the khorne equivalent of Lucious/Typhus/Ahriman. What's so hard about understanding the guy that has backing of all 4 Gods is a bigger deal than the champion of one god? What part of that do you have trouble with? Seems like a really clear reason why he wins.

>>51075259
I like almost every Cultist picture, except the r34 ones, cause it's just unappropriate.

>>51075027
cadia falls Tthere is nothing to defend her from being devoured by the warp, but not destroyed in this book. Without the pylons, eye of terror expands over cadian sector at the end of the book, survivals of the imperium desperately retreat, chaos regroup waiting for the crimson path to take shape.

>>51075201

Monkeys paw motherfuckers

You want expanded lore heres the expanded lore.

40k isant a setting anymore your gonna take the story and like it

>>51074905

This is it right here. Abaddon is a victim of GWs poor writing. He invites memes because he only wins when GW just says so regardless of the situation. He is a complete mary sue character.

>>51072277
Wasn't he retconned?
Poor guy.
>>51072748
I'm crying, it's beautiful.
We can still treasure that dream, you know. SAVE IT
>>51071049
Did you know that Age of Empires II is releasing a new DLC soon, right?
IMAGINE

>>51075201

Not just you.

I was a bit hyped to see St Celestine be back but she ended up completely wasted and just there to job for Abbadon. That's really not how you set up a storyline, to have a long unused but very notable character come back...and lose.

But more importantly, this feels like it was over and done with way too fast. It needed more setup and time to grow and less 'Oh right we need to both introduce AND remove everything within a single book'.

>>51075152

A decent comparison is Roman Reigns in WWE. The fans don't really like him or find him interesting but WWE has gone so hard with 'Look at this guy, he's impressive!' that he needs to rack up win after win to try and convince the fans that he's the new hotness. However those wins just make people like him less as he doesn't feel like he's earned them.

In comparison, there is say Daniel Bryan. A guy who got massively over with the fans as he felt like someone who'd worked for his wins and earned them.

To get people into Abbadon they need to have him take some losses, take some wins and make it feel like he needs to work to earn his wins rather than having other people just job for him or have the plot hand him a victory.

Good. Us Tau want to see the imperium crumble. Taking Ultramar will be so much easier

>>51075352

>Yo guys Cadia one THE most important planets around is gonna fall btw
>release one poorly written book about it

>>51075355
P.S. Space marines suck dick mostly

>>51075355

Anon im pretty sure your human

Is Trazyn, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

>>51075152
If you mean Kharn, he isn't THE best, he's been bitch-slapped by some faggy DA Azrael, for example. And more.
He's a good character, and he's good at what he does, but he is by no means a supreme duelist, not mentioning having imbasword, 4 full chaos d-gs blessings and termi.

And I should not that he's not very different from Abe, in that he's also described as very best of his legion after Horus, always being at the front and heralded.
What makes him bad is that he's the BBEG, who can't fail or win or else the story and the game might get fugged.
They even retconned his previous failures as "the grand plan", that's just pathetic.

And once again, ignoring anything that got released past 4th Edition proves to be the only right decision.

>>51075415

He collects pointless shit from 40k and talks out of ass on alot of subjects

>>51075281
He has their backing except they HATE him. Because he's just that special he can force the chaos gods to give him power without ever obeying them. Tch.. nothing personal kid...

Other characters only appear to job to him.

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>>51074498
>>51074251

>>51075426

I can imagine in the future

>Warhammer 40k new lore general

>Warhammer 40k old lore general

>>51075376

Yeah, I mean the NIDS got more than 1 book nomming the way to a space marine world.

They could have easily had the book end with St Celestine and allies JUST turning up and the fight turning against chaos. Have the book before then showing the guard holding as best as they can but being pushed back/the space battle.

It might have also have given them a chance to actually include the SISTERS OF BATTLE in the book. Not just St Celestine.

>>51075259
Fine. Post lewd so I can collect them for an ERP profile

trazyn no wanted abaddon for his collection, wanted the god that is hidden in mars and Cawl has a way to reach him.

>>51075352
>I was a bit hyped to see St Celestine be back but she ended up completely wasted and just there to job for Abbadon.

Job? She defeated Abaddon.

>>51075501
>Void Dragon shows up and slaps EVERYONE'S shit

I would laff

Chaos fags rage would be gloriousity

>>51070973
>Abaddon bitch slaps Celestine down but for some reason doesn't finish her.

You realise she literally can't be killed, right? If you kill her, she comes back almost instantly. So he might have actually killed her and had her get back up anyway, or maybe he knew that killing her was a waste of time, so tried to just cripple her and concentrate on killing the guy who would stay dead.

>>51070733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyyL_TICbrU

>>51075522

Well, she got slapped down pretty damn hard by him and got him with a backstab.

She won but the battle basically existed to make Abbadon look strong by being unable to be taken out in the duel proper.

>>51070663

Do GW really fucking want us to suffer or they really that inept to see how bad this guy is?

Or at least tell me how many jew dicks did Ward sucked that they still didn't fucking ditch his talentless ass and he is still allowed to rape any semblance of good cannon in w40k universe?

>>51075559
What do you mean she can't be killed? She's just a glorified daemon prince, which can be killed with arcane and psykery stuff.
With his sword he should quite possibly be able *kill* those fags.
Demons aren't unkillable, it's that conventional weaponry only banishes them, not destroying their essense.

>>51075501
>Trazyn is literally going to steal the Machine God

Can this absolute madman be stopped?

>>51075613
They must steal him first. Steal or be stolen!

>>51075439

That's a pretty gross simplification. There's a balance of power that he must negotiate between following the will of the gods and his own plans. He's not a 100% puppet like Horus so there's a conflict of interest between him and the Gods. It's why he's the only interesting fucking Chaos character as he actually has some internal conflict. He does obey the Gods, to an extent. He's developed a cult of personality and political leadership over the legions so the Gods all want him to accept their sponsorship so they can curbstomp the other 3, so he can play them off one another to further his own goals.

It's a fucking damn sight more interesting than MAIM, KILL, BURN, but none of you ever sperg about how fucking boring that red cunt is.

>>51075597

Well, she's consistently had special rules for respawning in literally the same battle. The last version of her literally couldn't be killed (You got points if she was off-board when the game ended but she couldn't actually be killed). She's a step above most daemon princes in survival and respawn rate.

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>>51075462
Yeah, nah, I don't feel like getting banned and uploading them all to rapidshit or megabuttload would take too long and I've got shit to do today.

>>51075621
Send in the Blood Ravens!

>>51075417
>If you mean Kharn, he isn't THE best, he's been bitch-slapped by some faggy DA Azrael, for example. And more.
What? Azrael spent the entire novel running away from him and was almost killed every time they clashed.

IIRC of course.

>>51070663
So what happened?

Wow.

All that thread. My God.

Is as bad as I precived.


Fuck.

I'm done with this setting.

>>51075631
She'd probably be out for long enough for him to kill Creed, though. And with the Pylons activated she lost her powers, so who knows what would've happened.

>>51075652
Not him but yeah Azrael gave a good fight and landed some hits but Kharn was dominating. Azrael was going a murder-suicide move that would have ended with both of them dead by his reckoning but he decided against it since he had a mission to complete.

>>51075352
>I was a bit hyped to see St Celestine be back but she ended up completely wasted and just there to job for Abbadon
Because it's sort of out of theme for her. It should have been a space marine hero. Someone like Calgar, Dante or Grimnar. Space marine vs space marine with Abaddon coming out as victorious against the strongest imperial champions.
If Celestine had to intervene (huhu) it should have been as the miracle that turn the darkest day of the Imperium into a bitter but manageable defeat.

About Abaddon, I think the error was trying to make him the best at everything. Personally I would have make him a politician. He wouldn't be the best fighter among CSM, though still good, he wouldn't be the most favoured by the gods either, but he would be the only one able to gather the legions and most chaotic factions to work sort of together.
I mean if you want to powerlevel, there are still Primarch demons out there. But only him, as a mortal, could make them march to war together.
I think it would have make for a much more compelling character.

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Fenris? Checked!
Cadia? Checked!
What are we destroying next?

>>51075724
>About Abaddon, I think the error was trying to make him the best at everything. Personally I would have make him a politician. He wouldn't be the best fighter among CSM, though still good, he wouldn't be the most favoured by the gods either, but he would be the only one able to gather the legions and most chaotic factions to work sort of together.
But chaos marines respect strength only, I don't think he would've been able to earn the loyalty of so many if he wasn't at least as strong as Ahriman and Kharn.

>>51075779
Fenris ended up pretty much intact, though. It was all a ruse to bring Sortiarious into realspace.

>>51075724

>Because it's sort of out of theme for her. It should have been a space marine hero. Someone like Calgar, Dante or Grimnar. Space marine vs space marine with Abaddon coming out as victorious against the strongest imperial champions.

I think St Celestine in a dramatic duel can work but I wouldn't have done it against Abbadon. I'd have put her against a Daemon Prince or a famous sorcerer. Someone where you can really play up the whole 'Power of the Dark Gods' vs 'Holy Miracles'. Abbadon is chosen by all four but it doesn't really DO much that you see.

Maybe have Lorgar get out of his chair for a good ass-whooping or have Bel'akor take a loss if you wanted to go really big for a thematic foe.

>>51074850
Wow, people have no reading comprehension.

Cadian forces held, sure, but the planet literally gets erased. That means no more fortress, and no more pylons to impede Chaos entry into the galaxy.

Abaddon has been wounded and will likely (finally) cave to demonic exaltation to save his own hide - and thus, a new model. Remember, Archaon didn't get a new one until AFTER the End Times...

We are only given a few pages here, with much more to go. Plus, there are more books coming.

The Imperium didn't win at all.

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>>51075779

Nigga, you need to ask? Next stop: TERRA. Get the fuck in; we're going crusading.

>>51072139
>Epic supplement

Mate, thanks for not quoting RTrader blurb!

kys

>>51070663
>I repeat

No one uses that phrase in radio transmissions.

>>51075847

>Epic fluff doesn't count because I say so
>Ignores the other campaign book mentioned

Fuck off retard.

>>51075823
>have Bel'akor take a loss if you wanted to go really big for a thematic foe.

Be'lakor did lose in the book. The Phalanx is still in Imperial hands. His ploy to use to it extermintus Terra failed.

This whole thing just felt like an attempt to advance the plot without actually compromising anything. They literally put more effort into making the Imperium look cool while being defeated than in making a compelling story.

I seriously hope they learn from this.

>>51075886

I meant 'Loss in a duel'. Sorry about not phrasing it well.

>>51075916

Small paragraphs in various codexes carried more weight than this garbage

>>51074927
I hope you realize that if imperium falls entire galaxy is fucked and it will just become chaos v tyranid v orc shitfest

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>>51075916
>This whole thing just felt like an attempt to advance the plot without actually compromising anything.

Just like the good old days.

>>51075821
Well, he would still be a chaos lord, just not THE best duellist.
Strength doesn't have to be that straightforward, he could be respected for the strength of his legion for example.
And CSM could use being less randumb evil, save for the most fanatics.

>>51075823
I could see that.

>>51075916

"Looking cool while being defeated" sums up the Imperium's entire purpose in the setting. It's grimdark. You don't beat Chaos, you stage one last dying act of defiance and mount a futile, but valiant last stand.