HHG/ Horus heresy general >HHG http://pastebin.com/iUqNrr

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>>51043727
The fists must claim the VIIth thread

Iron Within, Iron Without!

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>>51043727

Leman Russ was a mistake.

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>>51043525 (You) #
YEAH lexicanum says as such
>As the Unification Wars came to an end and the Great Crusade began, the Emperor gave them the title of the Dusk Raiders, a nod to their use of the ancient Albian tactic of conducting major ground attacks at twilight when the shift of light confused an enemy's watch and gathering shadow would advance across open ground.[16a]
That source is
>16: The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal 16a: pgs. 120-129
And twilight is the time between night and morning.
This is 'bare ceramite' levels of bad writing

>>51043780
It's been a long time since that image was posted.
Way back when it was proven it took 54 Sigismunds to kill a full squad of beep boops.

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>>51043782

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>>51043792
I love that pic!

>>51043642
More like "Shifting of Light" Raiders wtf :^)
>>51043646
Then
#1 Unbroken Blade: Fearless and FnP if he doesn't already has the rule, or +1 to his existing FnP
#2 Preternatural Resilience: Eternal Warrior and IWND(6+)

Gotta feel like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZSjK46dUg&feature=youtu.be&t=11 [Embed]

How do you think a coding and/or physical duel between Magi would work? Would they just stand there doing he psychic nosebleed thing until one collapsed?

My personal "fun theory" is that Magi fighting try to hack into and steal information on upcoming attacks from their opponents, who can block that or drown it in chaff information, usually useless memories of staring at dropship walls or doing paperwork. Thing is, eventually the Magos will run out of those, since they process data extremely fast, so the longer a fight lasts the more they learn about each other and their secrets. This means after a while the Magos will have to pick between giving the enemy information on his moves or vital non-immediate secrets and information.

>>51043801
Those were the threads, brother.

>>51043686
BFG and Armada has plenty of Imperial and Chaos ships that existed during that time. I don't think dedicated Marine vessels like we have in 40k were a thing back then, outside of Legion flagships and such. I'm sure for the most part, as evident by CSM shit usage, Legions used same ships as Army.

I'm sure all ships are capable of planetary assault, since drop pods should be pretty universal on ships, even if Marines are the only ones that get to use them in the game. I suspect ships with launch bays are best, since they got capacity for lots of transports. The Terminus Est was said to be a very capable, purpose built planetary assault ship and it sports a ton of launch bays. The Despoiler class ships were based on its design (though thousands of years after the Heresy).

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>>51043792
What? Dusk is part of the evening twilight..

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>>51043780
The only good fist is a dead fist

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>>51043780
Sigvald is the only good swordsmen I know of, who is this imposter

>>51043824
>Would they just stand there doing he psychic nosebleed thing until one collapsed?
Either like this (Mind Control Test excerpt in Amateur Rock Me Amadeus)
https://youtu.be/Pke3A2XuBLg?t=140
but full wizard on wizard combat would be like this but wearing power armour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtisahQGMs

>>51043834
Good to know. I'm trying to find the smallest void ship capable of launching drop pods or having a launch bay. I'm running on the assumption that my players are going to try and steal the ship.

>>51043780
Why have we started naming threads, is it threads since AWG killed himself, or since we ascended from the cesspit
>>51043824
This and primarchs having to form trust with their legions is what I want BL to focus on, also more. Also more bolter porn pls
>>51043868
>evening twilight
What is default twilight, or do you have monrning and evening Twitter

>>51043801
Beep Boops?

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>>51043870
>when the traitors get uppity

>>51043801
How did that proof work? I was not around then. My only experience with siggy had him shot to death on turn one when my enemies got very cross with my Imperial Fists ally. Stats are terrifying, though, but every melee monster on this game can be shot up, and it's one of the things I like about 30k, a neophyte at it I may be.

>>51043965
Iron circle
Pertuabos bodyguard
>>51043971
Fists are the true traitors, that SoH was awarded sanguiniuis heraldry

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>>51043965
BEEP BOOPS.

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>>51043947
>Why have we started naming threads
It's a new year thing :)
I mean the IWs did claim the IVth
>do you have monrning and evening Twitter
Nah, but we do have both nsfw and wsfw 4chan :^)

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>>51043988
>>51043965

It's okay though because at least siggy isn't bitch enough to get killed by Abaddon at the end of the first black crusade right?

RIGHT ANON?!?!?!

I'M NOT CRYING!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>51043947
Of course, what are you a peasant without seperate dawn and dusk twitter accounts?

>>51044026
>:(

>>51043824
Oh, or like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk

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>>51043834
>>51043934
It was a combination of the designs like those used by Chaos in BFG, Battle Barges, Strike Cruisers, assorted Imperial Navy ships, and Glorianas typically leading their fleets. Chaos BFG ships are just ancient Imperial designs, though the Imperium largely abandoned that style design after the Heresy (iirc there's one type still serving in the Navy by 40k)

This was the Terminus Est, once upon a time during the Great Crusade.

>>51043934
Technically any ship has a launch bay, because shuttles and transports have to land somewhere to load and unload their cargo.

I'm sure, if nothing else, that you could just whip up a custom ship design based on like a light cruiser that has the capability to launch ground assaults, if such a vessel is paramount.

>>51044084
Don't you love how smoke goes upwards in space so you gotta excuse the ship is moving downwards and similar?

>>51043727
>>51043686
They've been vague about ship details. Some of it just seems to happen by accident, e.g. each legion was given a Gloriana-class battleship as a flagship and most look like Emperor-class battleships, but FW drew the IW's as an upsized Space Marine battle barge. Some of it seems to be deliberate so that they can get into more detail in the future.

Another mistake (predating the HH game) was that the BFG fluff said the Despoiler-class battleship entered Imperial service in M35 or M36... but then they released the Terminus Est, a Despoiler-class battleship that fought in the Great Crusade and the Heresy (it was Calas Typhon's ship). They quickly "fixed" it by saying that in M35 or M36 they found the plans for the Terminus Est and created the Despoiler-class from it, and all of them turned to Chaos due to some inherent flaw.

If you look at Battlefleet Gothic Imperial Navy, Space Marine, and Chaos ships, you can probably use any of those in your legion fleet. Unlike in M41, legions definitely used cruisers other than just Strike Cruisers. BL novel covers mostly show Imperial Navy-style ships (vertical armored prows). FW's black books show IN-style escorts, an IF grand cruiser that looks similar to the Vengeance-class ships (transitional between IN-style and Chaos-style), and lots of battle barges.

They'd all launch drop pods.

>>51044084
>Chaos BFG ships are just ancient Imperial designs, though the Imperium largely abandoned that style design after the Heresy

Except plenty of the ships used by CSM are post-Heresy creations. And some of the ships used by the Imperium are pre-Heresy. So this divide is incorrect.

>>51044084
>>51044090
>>51044117
Very helpful guys. I appreciate it. I may just whip a ship up for them since this game has gone so far off the rails.

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>>51044117
This IF ship?

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>>51043947
>or do you have monrning and evening
Twilight is the period between dawn and sunrise and between sunset and dusk.

>>51044128
>plenty of the ships used by CSM are post-Heresy creations.
Not really. I just went through the BFG and Armada rulebooks... it's true of the Planet Killer, which is a one-off, and of the Idolator-class escort designed and built on Xana II.

The Infidel-class raider almost counts, but it was designed for Imperial use and then the plans were stolen.

>>51044148
Aliexpress and eBay often have some recasts. They get removed and re-posted every couple of days.

>>51044371
>Aliexpress and eBay often have some recasts. They get removed and re-posted every couple of days.
I'm actually not looking for models. Just information on them. I'm running a Black Crusade game during the Horus Heresy and I don't need stats so much as I just need some basic stuff like names and primary function. Still, what I've gathered thus far has been supremely helpful.

>>51043914
>OTT Magos/Dark Magos anime duel

I don't even particularly like anime, but I do want to see that. Fund it.

>>51043780
>black templar so much cooler than their founder legion

it hurts not having them in HH

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>>51044128
>>51044335
I think he is arguing the technicality that they're 'post Heresy', because some of the Chaos ships are from M32-M36. But it doesn't change the fact that the Imperium has a bad history with these designs of ships and by 40k has almost completely abandoned them, although they once commonly employed such designs (and similar ones) during the Great Crusade and Heresy.

So for the purposes of the original anon asking about ships, >>51044148 you have plenty of options for ships, and even small cruisers or escorts would have drop pods and hangars available for use.

How good are land speeders in zone mortalis?

Assuming they're less than 4" across

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>>51044543
What are you talking about? You do have Templars, just they were crusading alongside the rest of the Legion. And you know Dorn and his legion were THE Crusaders, not just 1000 select dudes in his legion.
>>51044522
I think a salamander Librarian said once that he could melt people with his mind, that what was the power of technology when compared to that.
But Tigurius did fight mentally against this necron dude.
It was funny because he was thinking it was going to be a hard fight, that the guy in front of him possessed technology so advanced it looked like magic, that resistance was futile, that he should better bow before him...
And that was when he realized the thoughts in his mind were being implanted by the trolling necron :^)

>>51044371
>Despoiler, M36
>Desecrator, M41
>Retaliator, M35
>Styx, M32
>Acheron, M41
>Hecate, M33
>Murder, M33
>Infidel, M40

And that's just ones liked to specific dates.

>>51044621
I just meant the aesthetic really, I just can't get into the yellow.

>>51044583
The real reason is the same as why CSM have different backpacks from SM.

>>51044618
Do you like taking dangerous terrain checks everytime you move?

>>51044659

Templar Sword Brethren are majority black officially.

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>>51044583

IIRC, the chief impetus for most of the IN's transition away from the blade-like "Chaos" design had more to do with changing tactics and aging vessels, with some notable exceptions like the Despoiler and Repulsive classes, both of which had some internal flaw that made their gellar fields flicker way beyond tolerance.

This is mainly hinted at in the fluff for the grand cruisers, but back in ye olden days of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, IN doctrines was centered on heavy "linebreaker" ships (like the aforementioned grand cruisers, but also the Glorianas, Ironclads, and more "typical" plowshare cruisers), which plowed forward straight into the enemy formation under the covering fire of the rest of the fleet. The "Chaos" designs, being optimized for firepower over protection, fit this role.

The change to the modern IN designs seems to have been fairly long-going and dates all the way to before the HH, as hinted by transitional Vengeance grand cruiser, which had an armoured prow that wasn't much stronger than the rest of the armour. The blade-like ships remained in service for millennia, however, with the Murder-class cruiser in particular remaining *the* ship-of-the-line of Battlefleet Obscuras until roughly M38.

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>>51044659
Templar Brethern.
Also, legions did have alternate colour schemes for individual chapters. Just look at this guy. Not a confirmed Black Templar, but come on look at him.

>>51044691

Actually I'm playing white scars, so now that I think about it, that's the ONLY model that would care about dangerous terrain. Hmm.

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>>51043834

There's a lot of ship classes that only existed during the Heresy and were dropped soon after. Galleass of War is a ship class that doesn't exist in M41, for instance.

I've been heavily into doing 30k BFG for a long time, though I think the rules would need to be tweaked to account for the more deadly weaponry such as Rad-Phage, Nega-Phosphex Webs, Macro-Lances and similar.

>>51044800
>Thunder edge pattern chainsword
Why doesn't HHG have chainsword autism fights? We have Armour autism and Boltgun autism, why not Chainsword autism?

>>51044816
>Galleass
That's just a High Gothic way of saying Galley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley
>Galleys were the warships used by the early Mediterranean naval powers, including the Greeks, Phoenicians and Romans. They remained the dominant types of vessels used for war and piracy in the Mediterranean Sea until the last decades of the 16th century. As warships, galleys carried various types of weapons throughout their long existence, including rams, catapults and cannons, but also relied on their large crews to overpower enemy vessels in boarding actions. They were the first ships to effectively use heavy cannons as anti-ship weapons. As highly efficient gun platforms they forced changes in the design of medieval seaside fortresses as well as refinement of sailing warships.
I doubt they referr to actual Galeas..ses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeas
>>51044834
I forgot /HHG/ enjoys its anger :^)

>>51044635
As >>51044583 surmised, I misinterpreted you and thought you were saying that they were developed by Chaos-aligned forces. You're right, it looks like there might not have been any ships in the style of BFG Chaos medium cruisers during the Heresy.

>>51044858

The Galleass was an actual warship class that could be called heavy galleys. They were used famously at the battle of Lepanto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass

>>51044800
Wait so by'Great Crusade veteran cross' does it mean Gunther is a veteran in his company? Or just a superficial honorific? By the lightning bolts, does it mean HE or his FORMATION served in the Unification War?

>>51044858
Galley =/= galleas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass

>>51044816
Looking at that list, it's good to note that Retribution, Victory, Emperor, Lunar and Cobra all have the "modern" armoured prow (well, I think Cobra just has the look, but in terms of rules is equally strong all around).

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>>51044800

i remember one WB dude ages ago posting one of his guys with red shoulder pads and a few spergs freaking out. imagine trying to make such a radical custom color scheme like that in the img

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>>51044925
>>51044891
Galley's-ass :^)
So they are Heavy Galleys, then.
What are today's ship classifications?
>>51044903
He's a (terran) Veteran and fought in the Unification Wars, maybe commanded by the Emperor Himself.

>>51044816
Excellent picture friend. I am the original anon that was asking about ships so thanks man.

>>51044859
Man...

Yes there were! My point is that both "Imperial" and "Chaos" ships existed during and after 30k. That all BFG Chaos ships aren't pre-Heresy era ships Imperium doesn't make anymore and all armoured prow BFG Imperial ships are post-Heresy creations. Armoured prows and non-armoured prows existed during 30k and both ships were made after the Heresy.

The only reason there's a distinct divide is because of visuals. Just like how CSM got those big backpacks and horns on their helmets, because otherwise they'd just be space marines in a different colour.

>>51044948
Whats wrong with that scheme? The marine is either a normal veteran thats wearing the 1st company colors or he is a member of the 1st company thats been seconded to another company to work as a veteran.

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>>51044948
Actually managing to re-create that colour scheme is usually the bigger problem :^)

>>51044964

>What are today's ship classifications?

There's a venerable mountain of them. This here is about the best resource for all the ones that have been used in recent decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol

>>51045005
Thankuyuu

>>51044816
I'd say the Galleass is a ship type, not a class. In this case, a large ship based on a freighter that's been given a bunch of weapons. I'm sure they do exist in M41, even if they aren't in the BFG game. A lot of Rogue Trader cruisers are probably closer to a galleass than a conventional cruiser.

How many points are 5 deathshroad terminators and 5 grave warden terminators? I'm having trouble finding their point totals

>>51045218

It helps that it's mentioned that the Galleass is a favored ship of Rogue Traders in the Crusade and Heresy period.

>>51045236
Grave Wardens are 200 points for 5 men.
Deathshroud are 210 points for 5 men.

Is the Thousand Sons paint scheme red or metallic red?

>>51045295
Yeah but why is he "having trouble" with that?

>>51045316
Blue.

Anyone have the Iron Warriors page from the How to Paint Miniatures: Burning of Prospero

>>51045344
Don't know. It's either a meme or a ruse but looking the rules up took me all of twenty seconds.

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Which is the best contemptor model?

My vote goes to pic related. Sons of Horus and Thousand Sons are also bretty cool.

>>51043824
What about countermeasures, like feeding scrapcode similar to a SQL injection attack? The entry field thinks it's data, but it contains hidden code, the Magos' parser picks up the code and starts executing without his consent, and then he poops his pants. It's also a pretty simple kind of hack that can be protected against easily but lazy (or junior) Magos wouldn't bother and get fried.

>>51045461
Easily the Alpha legion one. I want to like the Iron Hands one, but something about it just doesn't work for me, and I've never really seen it painted it a way that makes it look good. The Raven Guard one is probably hands down my favorite loyalist contemptor.

>>51043824
Aaaaah you meant Mechanicum Magi?
Well they could hack each other.
Virus attacks, inceptiony mind suggestions, mallifica, sabotage, that thing where they steal your bank password, DNS attacks, opening a billion tabs in his visual display, etc.
Or bash the fuck out of each other in a duel.
Magos means wizard, so I thought you were talknig about psykers. So, forget the whole thing about ninjas

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BUILD

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WALL

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TSons sergeant kitbash, awaiting left pauldron. Apologies for the shitty phone pic

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>>51045461
I legit love the Iron Warriors one. It's definitely my favorite.

The Word Bearers one doesn't look that bad once painted up either. Not mine, but it looks nice.

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I just realised that the Alpha Legion is almost certainly racist, since part of the job description or at least prerequisite for advancement is looking like Alpharius.

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>>51043727
>mfw only a few days left until I go back to college
Anyway, what's new with 30k and these breads? Did Cruzefag get therapy yet?

>>51044834
Because that's stupid.

>>51045717
The Geneseed makes them look like him and there's surgery.

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>>51045717
Gee, if there was only a way to change someone's appearance.

>>51044948
The Justaerins don't get flack.

>>51045316
Metallic. Tamiya Clear Red over a gold base, though it works best with an airbrush.

>>51045717
The initiation process affects your DNA before you reach maturity, so you'll grow to look a little more like Alpharius. Same seems to happen with the Sons of Horus.

>>51045717
>implying the Alpha Legion has recruits
They're all clone-sons of Alpharius, an entire legion of Abbadons.

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>>51045370
Better late than never, I guess.

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>>51046022
Horus's genes are a little too potent on the looks.
>>51046061
I forgot how ALposting made me feel. It's still stupid.

>>51046097
And here I thought my post was disarming.

>>51045919
>>51045976
>>51046022
Fair point I suppose.

A Techmagos did it.

I remember the Sons of Horus thing as well now.

*Still*, it's what reddit would call "fridge logic", where I realised you can't keep your identity on that most basic of levels. I imagine now though that it's not as bad as I thought and it adds dimensions to the Alpha Legion's super-convoluted mindgames - how do we know every Alpha Legionaire wasn't born a poor black child?

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>>51045461
I like the Iron Warriors one, SoH as well but haven't painted one yet.

>>51045316
Index Astartes - matte pastel red and silver
BL text description - red and silver / ivory
FW round 1 - metallic red and white
FW round 2 - metallic red and gold
GW - matte red and gold

Pick your preference.

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>>51046157
>*Still*, it's what reddit would call "fridge logic", where I realised you can't keep your identity on that most basic of levels. I imagine now though that it's not as bad as I thought and it adds dimensions to the Alpha Legion's super-convoluted mindgames - how do we know every Alpha Legionaire wasn't born a poor black child?
Because that's even more stupid than most AL posts.

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>>51046257
I live to serve.

Help me /hhg/ my faction ADD is kicking in - I love my Alphas and I had always planned on a second legion. My original plan was to be bitter and paint up some IW, but painting 2 metallic colored legions seems like it's going to be kind of boring.

I don't want to play a loyalist legion and I want to use Mk III armor and more old school style weaponry (autocannons, flamers, none of those fancy energy beams). My thought is an old school Luna Wolves force? What do you guys think?

>>51046297
Shit forgot my namefagging

>>51046297
How about death guard? They use Mk III, flamers, and are pretty old skool in how they go about things.

>>51046297
Word Bearers?

FUCKING TITANICUS WHEN!?

>>51046350
End of 2017.

>>51046297

Have you considered not being a traitorous pleb?

>>51046297
YOU'LL PLAY ULTRAMARINES AND YOU'LL LIKE IT.

>>51046323
I'm not sure about Death Guard, I don't like bio-weapons and plague stuff in general. I suppose pre-Heresy they would be different, but I don't really have a positive vibe about the legion

>>51046328
That's def. one of the ones I'm considering. I need to figure out what shade of gray they're supposed to be

>>51046397
Nope, traitor4life

>>51046297
If you're looking for traitors that look good in Mk III and use old fashioned weapons... how about Dark Angels? They're almost as ambiguous as your AL. If you get sick of trying to overcome their legion drawback, play them as blackshields.

Sons of Horus are cool too. More interesting paint scheme than Luna Wolves imo, and more bits/decals available. I'm tempted to start them for the Reavers alone. It's also flexible in that you can use whatever ratio of green-to-black that you want (1st company being all black, Reavers depicted with some black and some green, etc.).

>>51043727

/HHG/ has much better OP images than /40kg/

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>>51046124
>And here I thought my post was disarming.
Kek

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>>51046565
Plague? What plague?
Ye olde DG was all about infantry and farming.

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>_________ fucking shits!

What did he mean by this?

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>>51046297
>Mk III armor and more old school style weaponry (autocannons, flamers, none of those fancy energy beams)
Sounds like DG to me

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>>51046781

Is there a guide for putting bonding studs onto models? I got a good deal on some marine bikers and I want to at least attempt to make them look like Mk5

>>51047082
http://drownedinplastic.blogspot.ie/2012/03/modelling-tutorial-making-studded-armor.html

There's some other ones on 1d4chan's legion page, but this one worked for me too.

(And yes, legion bikers are good candidates for Mk5).

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Building_Your_Army

I plan to try it out sooner or later.

>>51047082
For larger minis like dreads and vehicles I used the head of tacks, I had found some nice round headed ones that worked perfectly. For smaller minis like power armor I'm not sure what would work best, it seems like green stuff would result in inconsistent stud size.

>>51047159
>it seems like green stuff would result in inconsistent stud size.

You could make a mold easily enough for something as basic as a stud.

>>51047159
>>51047274
Nah, I can hear you can buy them on Etsy, and if you live in a big city/near a specialist art shop, you might find some glass beads of the right size to install in a drill-hole.

>>51047082
>>51047159
>>51047274
>>51047343
>>51047343
>>51047343

1) Apply blob of greenstuff to where you want the rivet. If feeling adventurous, apply a strip of greenstuff to make a line of rivets.

2) Find a mechanical pencil (with a metal tip) of your desired rivet size, ensure there's no lead inside.

3) Dip the pencil nib into water, remove excess.

4) Press the pencil tip with gentle force perpendicular to the greenstuff to ensure rivets come out as straight as possible.

5) Take hobby knife and carefully remove excess greenstuff from around the rivet.


For best results, use freshly-mixed greenstuff with a higher portion of yellow-to-blue.

If the rivet comes out a bit crooked, dampen your finger and gently brush the top of the rivet into its proper position.

>Imperial Fists.txt

http://temperaments.fighunter.com/?page=melancholic

I also find it interesting how some of this describes the Emperor's Children.
I've long thought that if the Fists ever fell to heresy (impossible I know), they'd go to Slaanesh.

>perfectionism
>sensation-oriented (pain glove, anyone?)

>>51046781
Orktramar.

>>51045461
Alpha legion or raven guard

FW's release schedule for hh sure has slowed down a fucking lot.

What have we gotten the last 3 months?

>>51047623

Acastus, Stormbird, Mastodon, bunch of upgrade bits, Russ?

>>51043988
Has anyone ever actually fielded that and/or figured out what perty and full beepboop entourage would cost?

>>51047644
so bits, russ, and a bunch of giant enormous superheavies 1% of the playerbase will ever use

>>51047668
Perty = 480 (with hammer)
6 Beep Boops = 1230

Total = 1710

Good luck trying to kill it without Destroyer Weapons though.

Fluffwise which legion is the most powerful 1v1 assuming no external factors intervene?

>>51047820
SoHs and Pre-Calth UMs/Dangles.

>>51047820
Maybe pre-Rangda DAngles

>>51047820
Up to interpretation.

What kind of boxes do you guys use to transport your stuff?

>>51047699
>and a bunch of giant enormous superheavies 1% of the playerbase will ever use
That's like 90% of FW's historical output, though.

9% of the rest being variants of normal sized vehicles that 1% of the playerbase will ever use.

>>51047820
The Death's Heads.

>>51047859
What's your interpretation?

>>51047864
METAL BAWKSES

And the crusader army case from GW. I has lots of infantry, and different armies, and it is ideal for that.

>>51047820
Thousand Sons are a strong contender I think, considering the SW needed SoS and Custodes and Titan and SoH support and still almost lost. If only Magnus hadn't been crying in his room....

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>>51047945

>>51047820
Ultramarines.

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>>51047494
Anon, the Imperial Fists aren't perfectionists at all and in fact that describes IW alongside EC. They're simply quiet most of the time, do their duty and they love it, that's all.
But I believe they could indeed fall to Slaanesh, just not legion-wide.

Some, like Sigismund's Templars and Rann's Executioners, would be definitely Khornate, while Excoriators would be Slaaneshi or possibly even Nurglite, given how not only they do ritual scarring like Angron or Lucius, but also praise battle damage like the Death Guard.

They would be undivided and in fact there's some alternate fan setting where Dorn is...Praetorian of Chaos or something.

>>51047820
Iron Warriors, because they can throw twice/thrice as many bodies at the enemy?

>>51047494
Ultramarines and Emperors Children are both perfectionists, Ultramarines would fall to Slaanesh and IF would be undivided.

>>51048495
>Implying the Iron Warriors are even top 3 in Legion size

>>51048548

Ultramarines aren't perfectionists, being perfect is just in their inherent nature.

Unlike failure EC who need to compensate for something.

>>51048560

Iron Warriors would be like 9/10's that size.

>>51047871
I'd say either Sons of Horus or Blood Angels.

>>51048480
Ritual scarring is a Khornate thing though. There's even a KdK warband named the Eightscarred.

>>51048583
Iron Warriors were badly ground down by constant attrition.
They were not that big at any point in time.

>>51048634
>missing the joke

>>51048700
Your joke is substandard where it should be supreme.
Report for decimation.

>>51047820
Ultramarines.
They were the largest and extremely adaptable.
Horus considered them capable of stopping him and so sent two Legions to exterminate them.

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Anybody else here play Epic30k?

>>51048944
I would if I had the email.

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>>51048634
>>51048700
>>51048560
You seem unaware that, before the Hrud Xenocides, the Iron Warriors numbered more than 200,000 marines, right? Yes, even already counting their 60% average casualties.
Meanwhile, the Ultramarines were also busy...legion building.
Imagine if Horus had ordered the UMs to fight the Hrud or if Emps had ordered them to fight in Rangda.

>>51049049
The Ultras probably could have done it better as they're not attritiontards.

>>51048634

> They were not that big at any point in time.

They were huge DESPITE the constant attrition. Their gene-seed was the easiest to implant, which allowed them to absorb casualties that would have crippled other legions.

>>51046766

They best be out of his way.

>>51048634
After Rangda, the IWs were the second biggest space marine legion.

>>51047820

If you rounded up all of the Bitter IVth before Incaladion...

>>51049224
They weren't huge. At the time of the Heresy they we said to be 150 - 180 thousand.
Big, but not huge.
Ultramarines, Word Bearers and Alpha Legion are mentioned as being bigger.

>>51048975
go to TacCommand forums and ask around.

>>51048944
hurrhurr let me post pics of my super sickret society hurrhurr

either dump the mail of BTFO,

>>51049602
Maybe if you didn't sound like a total cunt.

>>51047820
1 sons of horus
2 ultramarines
3 emperors children
4 world eaters
5 blood Angels
6 dark Angels
7 space wolves
8 death guard/ imperial fists

This assumes pre heresy. No nonsense 1 v 1 legion v legion on 1 world.

>>51049607
>>51048944

(You)

Now btfo

>>51049602
>>51049652
>BTFO

You're not using that right. It doesn't mean GTFO.

I attached some poison vents made from barrels and backpacks to my DG termies, kind of like Typhon or Grave Wardens.

I'm really iffy about them to be honest. The mk3 and 4 marine are to show the general scheme once painted. Should I keep the vents? They're easy to remove.

>>51049652
>>51049602
Can't tell if newfag or just literal retard.

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>>51049693
And I forgot the pic.

Getting into 30k from 40k, what are the IH like? I like fortifying as much shit as I possibly can.

>>51049693
If you're iffy get rid of them. Plus they might be confusing to your opponent if they're not actual Grave Wardens.

>>51049710
First off, read up on the Legions before posting.

Second, you probably want Imperial Fists, not Iron Hands.

>>51049707
They look like motorcycle exhausts, honestly.

>>51049710
Look at Kyr Vhalen from the Iron Warriors.

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>>51049573
>Word Bearers
If you are the legion with less compliances and then you begin to hoard all resources from shady conquests then sure you will grow :^)

>>51049710
>what are the IH like

Die-hard cyborgs that like riding tanks, you could give them forts if you want to but their strength is in mechanized forces.

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>>51049693
>>51049707
>Vroom vroom!
You'd need bits similar to the ones on Morty's backpack to simulate dorsal vents and I don't know where you could find bits like them...but looking at the front-most termie, how about you use only the tiny fan? It looks like some dispersion vent.
Or use some of those bits that look like shower drains, like the ones seen in the DG upgrade kit.
Just not from the actual kit, that would be very expensive, right?

>>51049820
God damn it. Meant IF. Not a fan of Mechanized. More of "this is my castle and you can fuck off"

>>51049742
>FUCK THOSE DEATH GUARD ASSHOLES AND THEIR LOUD AFTERMARKET ARMOR EXHAUST
>"we just use it so others can hear us better on the battlefield, it's for safety purposes!"

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>>51049796
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>51049878
Then still look at Kyr. He fortifies better than any IF save Dorn himself :^)
Your guys are immune to Pinning when fighting from forts and such. Not as if Ld9 worries too much about Pinning, but you'll be immune to it most of the time.
That's it. That's all your fort fighting skills.
The real deal is when that fort has IW-tier ammo stores so your BS5 legionnaries reroll ones. That ought to clench your fists hard!

>>51045316
GW scheme is Red, FW scheme is Metallic red.

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Made something I thought some of you might enjoy:

Kronus 4th Regiment to the followers of Papa Smurf!

O commander, Imperial devil and damned Chaos' kith and kin, secretary to Slaneesh himself. What the Emperor kind of Marine are thou, that canst not slay a Tyranid with your naked arse? Nurgel shits, and your army eats. Thou shallt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Imperial Guardsmen; we have no fear of your army, by land and by space we will battle with thee, fuck thy gene seed.

So the Imperial Guardsmen declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding servo skulls for the Ordo Mechinum. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Emperor, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

- General Lucas Alexander, with the whole Kronus 4th Regimen.

>>51049707
What's bothering me is the inconsistency. If they all had say similar vents on their backs it would look more like a design. The flamer dude's chest might work too.

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>>51049742
>They look like motorcycle exhausts, honestly.
Vroom vroom
>>51049707
Srry anon don't get mad.

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>>51049796
>they were left isolated by the Gal Vorbaks' sudden and surrounded
>Typhon siege tanks began the Raven Guard at his position
Who wrote this?

>>51050452
Yes :^)

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>>51050337
Yeah i see it now haha.

I wanted to go for some underwater vent, or mushroom style shit. Basically make them look semi organic, but it didn't work out.

I"m gonna rip them off and just greenstuff some Grave Warden style ones

>>51048779
Hello Matt.

>>51044026
>>51044051
>It's not daily
>that's the wrong trip.

It's like you're not even trying anymore.

>>51043947
I'm still around, just not posting content so the trip doesn't come out.

>>51044858
>/HHG/ enjoys its anger
You're right.

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>>51050583
What about the fan-vents?

>>51044226
Petaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard

>>51048560
They're number 1 in belt sizes.

>>51050950
That's very thin, I'm average and I'm n. 32 in belt size :^)

>>51050980
Iron warriors belt sizes are inversed, after perty chimped out at the mechanicum serfs measuring him for armour; size "Stop eating your feelings" isn't flattering no matter how you slice it.

Does anyone have a link to truescale tartaros or cataphractii terminator conversions?

>>51051317
*artscale

>>51051335
Either works.

>>51051317
see >>51035655

>>51045316
Yes.

>>51051361
Thanks

>>51045588
Soak the... whatever it is you put on his chest... in other water and bend both ends to give them a more natural look.

>>51047945
>>51048184
It may be how they were written, but intrinsically the nature of their powers makes them a little Mary Sue.

They can mend themselves from quasi death, blindly shoot their guns and still hit, dodge bullets and blows without having to try much, fry brains by looking at enemies, and so on.

At equal numbers they'd basically shit over any other legion. But they don't have equal numbers. They're smaller than all except the Raven Guard, they're crippled by mutation, and they are forced to play it safe.

>>51045588
>Tuckers, Diggers, Wings
Muh Nigga!

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>>51051926
IW + TS Nerd team!
IW are the anvil, TS are the hammer. The should be better friends, too bad the legions aren't their primarchs.
Eh, Perty probably dislikes Magnus too even if they are both scholars and went to an archeological trip to Italy together.

>>51051926

1KS are literally empty suits of armor controlled by a few sorcerers. I don't see how BEING NON-EXISTENT AS A SENTIENT BEING can be Mary Sue. You literally have no personality because you're a fucking INANIMATE OBJECT.

>>51052056
But the book literally said that he was Pert's greatest friend?

>>51052061
This is not the 40k thread you retard.

>>51052056
>>51052064
Yeah I'm also really sad that TS and IW are not better friends in the rules.

I'm hoping we get to find out more in Maggy's upcoming book in 10 days or so.

>>51052056
shit wait, ts are bros with the fucking iron hands but not the iron warriors? the fuck

>>51052064
Oh, I didn't know he had any real friends, nor that he was his bpff. Also, you don't dislike some of your friends?

I'm planning to buy LR Achilles, but, while I prefer the Achilles Rules, I prefer the Achilles Alpha pattern Sponsons. Like, could I use the Achilles Alpha pattern model as an Achilles, or would the autists go
> herp derp thats not WYSIWYG! Off to decimation with you!
?

>>51052107
Ferrus Honore Veniat :^)
If FW themselves mistook the legions, I swear to the Empra...

>>51052123
You mean they aren't the same thing but with different sponsons?

>>51052126
or it's a case of what the primarch thinks vs what the legion thinks.

Iron Warriors
- Primarch: You're my kind of nerd, Magnus.
- Legion: Real men calculate bombardments with numbers. Fucking witches.

Iron Hands
- Primarch: Dude, Magnus, your terminators are fucking robots. (This is not a compliment you dingus)
- Legion: FUCKING ROBOTS WOOOO YEAH AUTOMATONS WE BROS LOOK AT MUH BIONICS MAN ROCK ON BROS ROCK ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>51052137
Achilles alpha can have volkites, and cones with counts as dozer blades. Can replace volkites with melta.

Achilles has melta only, but can be taken in lr squadrons ( max 1 per squadron, the other LRs have to be proteus or phobos), (which I want to do), and can take pintle mounted weapons.

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My test Night Lord is coming along well, I think. I need to touch up the lighting on the studded leg, though next time I'll use a not-shitty brush.

>>51043987
>that SoH was awarded sanguiniuis heraldry
Citation?

>>51052123
If you only have one LR Achilles on the field you should be fine. WYSIWYG really only comes into play when it's not possible to remember at a glance what things are, like if you had an Achilles Alpha on the field at the same time as your (identically modelled) normal Achilles. Just remember to tell your opponent at the start of the game, and you're grand.

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>>51052166
What kind of oil did you drink, Iron Hand?
I thought you were hard for the iron-tier stronk and depised the weak. No wonder Fulgrim thought he could sway Ferrus

And it's YOUR terminators who are fucking robots. Srsly a bit less tactical and they would be full Dreadnoughts.

Fun thing, the IW are Sworn Brothers with the WE and both being meatgrinder legions I wouldn't deny it, but do you know who praised the WE Armoured Spearhead?
It wasn't Perturabo.
It was Ferrus Manus.

>>51052268
What if I have two achilles alpha models representing achilleses and no achiles alphas at all?

>tfw I like Word Bearers because of the pretty sweet HMKids song about Lorgar./
Man I love it so much.

I also like their color scheme too. And the fact that they're the only legion to openly embrace Chaos. Like, man, everyone else is sad/regrets being a traitor or just isn't happy with the result. The Word Bearers are the guys who are just happy that /x/ was right all along. And I can accept that.

>>51052289
Yeah, that sounds alright too. So long as your opponent can always remember what's what.

>>51052186
looking great anon
what colour are you going to do the lenses ?

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>>51052323
Also I screwed up my spoiler tag.

Oh well!

I like that the song is in Russian too. It's inspiring me to get off of my couch and get back to studying Russiand.

>>51052342

I haven't decided yet. Part of me wants to leave them black, but I might go with some kind of red.

>>51052323
It is...an opinion. I guess.
You are the bad guy no doubt, so if you like it then it's up to you. Expect no sympathy from the rest of mankind, you're running your own agenda.
But with less Alpha memes.

>>51052378
Red would be spooky

>>51052280
Hmm. Well the TS also think that the flesh (that goes out of control) is weak and must be purged.

That's something we all agree on!

But seriously I don't get it. Good times with the Hands who are cold fuckers vs bleh times with the Warriors who must have a creative bone somewhere in their bodies, if only for creativity in the art of destruction?

>>51052392
Only the spookiest for the Batmans.

Question for you folks, besides the chest aquila, is there anything distinct about the MKVII armor? Was it even around during the HH? I wanted to see if I could turn the chest symbol into bat wings.

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>>51052378
>>51052392

red would probably be the spookiest yes
forgeworld does them black i think but if you'dd go that way you really need to create a lens flare effect not to have it look lazy or dull in my opinion
if you can pull it off it'll look really nice though

>>51052447

No lightning? Odd.

I kinda like how they did the shoulders, though. Honestly, I wasn't sure if in should've done a bronze trim or not.

Anyway, now that I see the black lenses, I think I'll try red and see how not looks.

>>51052280
ferrus is a primarch that we know had opinions directly at odds with his legion wasn't he ?
i thought he hated the whole "flesh is weak" shtick his legion had going on because his hands got mutilated fighting a space dragon and was planning on giving it up and getting his legion to stop cutting of limbs once the great crusade was over and it didn't give them such an advantage in combat

>>51052488
personally i prefer your bronze trim, i just used the fw picture to show what the black lenses look like

>>51052508

Thanks. I figured it would add a contrast to "dark, dark, and darker."

I might try to go for that neon highlight they got going there, too, except maybe more of an ice blue.

>>51052186
Needs to be red trim IMO.

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>>51052496
Also that apparently "the flesh is weak" was only half the saying.

>BL
This story is, as far as I know, the one and only case of saturnine terminator armour appearing in 30k so far, so I'm damn well considering it canon.

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>>51052426
Oh I thought the Flesh change was *poof* suddenly you were a Chaos Sp- one of those things. It's not like you're purging it because it's weak, it's because you're turning into a literal mutant, only you don't get to purge anything because you're already a mutant. Put it down!
> bleh times with the Warriors who must have a creative bone somewhere in their bodies, if only for creativity in the art of destruction?
Whaaaaaat.
Anon, they were engineers, they're as creative as engies are.
I mean the guys were trying to move a huge steel tube to the site and were guessing how to stop traffic and such, and I simply proposed "Hey what if we seal it and make it float across the lake? I already ran the numbers".
I would be lying to you if I had played Initial D - Deja Vu in my mind because as a kid I did not yet know memes.
Also, funny that you mention the Art of Destruction:
The Ordo Reductor was the only branch of the Mechanicum explicitly sanctioned to actually invent stuff.

>>51052544
that's an awesome bit of fluff there anon
the salamanders are such a great legion

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>>51052544
"The Flesh is Weak" is NOT an Iron Hand's saying, but rather it's Vulkan's.

THE IHS CANNOT INTO CATCHY PHRASES

On the other hand ayy, wtf I love Vulkan now?

>>51052579

Old Men

Money

>>51052542

Red trim might have been cool, actually.

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>>51052590
You explained it to me back on that thread, yet I still laugh at the IH's poor word skills!

>>51043806
I didn't think anyone actually save it

>>51052599
Oh, sorry, I was talking about the eyes. Black eyes won't work on anything but a proper Chaplain skull helm, and even then the other options give it a run for its money.
Bronze trim is definitely fine, and a choice I prefer to unbroken blue. I would be inclined to use red trim if I ever did NLs though.

>>51052613

Ah ok. Yea, I think red eyes is the way to go, and it seems I'm not alone.

>>51052544
source ?

>>51052714
Deeds Endure, in the Meduson anthology.

2017 begins on a rather lackluster release.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Imperial-Knight-Head-V

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Imperial-Knight-Head-VI

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Imperial-Knight-Head-VII

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Mechanicum-Taghmata-Transfer-Sheet

>>51052768

Yeah but at least the Outrider Bikes are back in stock!

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>>51052768
>2017 begins on a rather lackluster release.
u wot m8

But more seriously, this is exactly like early 2016. The weekender is coming, until then expect FW to only put up the Warhammer Day exclusives up. So this week... the mechanicum sheet.

>>51052729
please tell me nick kyme didn't had a hand in this...

>>51052768
>more knight heads
Well, start the year as they mean to go on, I guess.

>>51052797
Nope, it's a Gav Thorpe story.

>>51052805
hardly better, oh well I shouldn't expect any barely competent author at BL by now

>>51052828
It's actually pretty decent, worth having a read I'd say.

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>>51052768
>more fucking knight heads

>>51052784
>stormblade still out of stock
THIS THING HAS BEEN OUT OF STOCK FOR +4 MONTHS AT LEAST JUST KILL IT OR MAKE SOME MORE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51052795
>that head

"My magos thinks I'm cool..."

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>>51053012
lol

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>>51053012
>>51053030
>why could i not e a cool kid like them

>>51043792
I have to ask what is bare ceramite referring to?

>>51053263
There's an ongoing skubument about what colour bare ceremite is due to conflicting bits of fluff. For example, both death guard and knights errant are described as wearing armour the colour of bare ceremite, even though they're wearing different colours.

>>51053394
>Mortarion: Malcador, mate, that's not bare ceramite. I've been rocking that look for a long time, I know what I'm talking about
>Malcador: Your ceramite look off because it's made in factories that would put to shame even Neo Chyna's squalor, you dumb fuck.

>>51051595
Flappy bits from the CSM tzeentch icon, and will do
>>51051989
That shelf is pretty much entirely Pratchett

>>51053263
Death guard, grey knights and dusk raiders all are bare ceramite, but are milky white, silver and blue respectively

>>51053030
It looks so sad.

>>51053394
>>51053577
>What is an alloy
>What is polish
Why is it so hard to understand that deathguard ceramite is just left to oxidize and collect grime while grey knight ceramite is polished to autistic extents

All the primarchs ate their feelings, Perty had a lot to eat. But at least total volume eclised Dorn's. Don't tell him that though. His armour is already pulling double duty as a girder.

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Does Mortarion actually need his rebreather? I can't remember if he became too used to the Barbaus air that he needs it too live, or if he loves Barbaus so much that he wears the thing to pump Barbaus air into his lungs. Please no posts relating to how big he is, crashing any planes or ships with no survivors, how painful it would be for the mask to be removed, or the like.

>reading legion-specific tactica thread on B&C
>there's this one member who's dominating the thread, like every 2nd or 3rd reply is them
>page 16, after dozens of posts by this guy, they say:
>"so I had my first game this weekend"
Seems it's not just here that people spout off without actually playing.

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>>51045461
1. EC
2. Alpha
3. SoH

4. TS

>>51053968
Maybe it helps him feel in charge.

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>>51054044
I should have included that in my post.

>>51052873
>pretty decent
>"Vengeance? That's just another word for revenge"

>>51054041
I would like the EC one more if it weren't for all that bumpy shit on the shoulders.

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>>51053231

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>>51052544
>The flesh is weak, but deeds endure.

Really though why does GW hate the iron hands? They can't be cool ruthless cyborgs. No way man.

>What do we do with the IH?
>I want to fuck up their fluff with some kind of conflict. We are BL! This is what we do
>Don't call it fluff man its lore.
>Guys I've got it. Let's shoehorn another "tragedy" into their backstory
>Again?
>Yeah listen, instead of cold ruthless cyborgs we make them stupid autistic cyborgs who failed to even understand their primarch teachings
>Dare I say that's brilliant!
>Totally brilliant!

Later

>You know that IH motto
>Iron within Iron without?
>No, the flesh is weak
>Never heard of it
>Well yeah, the thing is, we made ferrus not want his lads to be cyborgs, so it kinda doesn't make sense, for that to be his motto
>Who cares man, are you buying the next round?
>So what if, like, I have it that Vulkan came up with his motto and the the Iron hands are literally too retarded to understand it.
>Sure whatever print it. I'm sure Kyme will love it

>>51054143
>ribbed, for his pleasure

>FW contest
>give monies to enter
>ends right before the most likely pre-release date for Inferno
Your mind tricks won't work on me this time FW.

>>51053968
From what I understand the rebreather just allows Mortarion to huff his favorite poisoned gas 24/7. Quite the addiction.

>>51054041
1. AL. Might buy it just to paint.
2. Salamanders.
3. SoH
4. RG
5. TS

>>51054625
I despise those kind of lotteries where you gotta buy stuff in order to have a chance to win something. Because you know they dude who didn't want it but just ordered something will win, whilst the dude that only ordered something because he wanted the prize will get nothing. And then there's people who will split up their order to give up free shipping in order to get more entries.

It's a great way to boost earnings I guess.

Anyone ever used Javelin Land Speeders?

>>51054857
No, nobody ever has.

>>51054857
anon, tell us more about this mythical jah-veline?

>>51055150
I'm supposed to be playing 30k, but this one land speeder keeps kicking my ass.

>>51054857

They're real gud

>>51054857

Memes aside it's a fantastic little model that is pretty safe from being assaulted and has outflank on a fast skimmer body with the ability to take multiple anti tank weapons and is immune to bolters from the front and sides. It's p good.

>>51055150

it's an 11/11/10 skimmer with 2 hull points and everyones favourite CYCLONE MISSILE LAUNCHER (twin linked!) and a heavy bolter, all for the low cost of 55 points.

but WAIT THERES MORE!

it's also basically BS5, can outflank if you really want it to and attackers suffer a -2 to hit in assaults unless its been immobilised.

>>51055879

I was mainly wondering if it was worth taking 2 of them or if it's one of those things thats like:

"max the squad or don't take it at all."

>>51055921

2 works fine. They're a solid FA choice if you don't mind how bad they GBP->points wise. Although you'll never have issue putting them in any list you want

>my first solar auxilia arrived today
huh so this is what normal human proportions look like in 1/35
gw could learn from this

>>51055896
The issue is two hull points and 55 points.

Why do these 1d4 articles explicitly say the Stormlord ISNT an assault vehicle? Are they retarded or am I?

>is open-topped for embarking and disembarking
>so when you disembark, it counts as open topped
>and you can charge after disembarking from an open-topped vehicle

>>51045461

I love the NL one with the dual canons

>>51056631
because it is under the acces point entry
it is simply referring to where you can get in and out of the model
the assault transport rule is a separate rule and is conferred by the open topped vehicle type , the storm lord is a normal transport

>>51056567
Doesn't matter, you don't send them out with the expectation of surviving more than 1-2 turns.

Cyclones + 2x HK or Cyclones + MM. Figure out what's vulnerable, and fuck it up real good. For example, artillery that ironfire fuckers love so much

>>51056681
My question is does it not mention that it is an assault transport or does it actively say that it isn't? If the former than nothing is wrong although it should be mentioned that it is effectively an assault transport. If the latter than while still technically correct it is actively misleading.

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Tester model for my upcoming DG complete.

I'll be using the proper resin DG bits for my actual lads, just thought I'd use some plastic for a tester,

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>>51056681
>it is simply referring to where you can get in and out of the model
That's your guess, we don't have access to the design notes or whatever, so we really can't say what the designers were referring to when they put together the stormlord's page like that.

>>51053968

4u

>>51056681
>because it is under the access point entry

Well where else would they put it?

I figured it was supposed to confer the benefits of open-topped without the damage downsides.

Also:

>assault vehicle is conferred by the open topped type
>stormlord is open topped for embarking and disembarking
>so when people are embarking or disembarking, it has the open topped type
>therefore it has the assault vehicle special rule

>>51056788
If you look in the BRB, the bit that says how to embark/disembark onto/from an open topped vehicle is a separate bit from where it says that open topped vehicles are assault transport.

Stormlords only use the bit about disem/embarking.

>>51056803
How do you get the armour to look worn? I've shaded my recesses well enough with Agrax so there's depth, but I can't seem to get that faded look - mine are too uniform

>>51053968
I don't know.
We do know he pretty much coughed out his lungs on Barbarus and he has wounds that would never heal...unless that meant the psychological wounds.
Then again, if he had respiratory problems then he wouldn't be carrying around Barbaran air, but rather clean air.

I think he's simply willingly continuing the exposure because he believes endurance makes you stronger. Like saying "yes, I still got it".

>>51056875
I know but it is still retarded to actively say it isn't an assault vehicle. While technically correct it is misleading.

>>51056879
Do you mean the chipping effect or the different tones of the armour?

>>51056925
>it is still retarded to actively say it isn't an assault vehicle
But it isn't, so, it's not misleading at all.

>>51056944
Six of one...

I'd just be interested to see how you do it really

I'm cool with my Mk IV marines being as clean as they are because I'm representing mine as early traitors and the Mk IV would still be new enough, but I'm about to do 40 or so Mk III footsloggers who absolutely have to be dirty and shitty and battle worn

Hi anons, got 3500 points of legio cybernetica, what would you recommend I do from here? Considering either buying artillery batteries and thallax, to go reductor or starting a legion army.

>>51057000
>what would you recommend I do from here?
Paint it.

>>51056978
The chipping effect is done with the hairspray and salt technique, the muddy colouring is done by mixing up washes of different consistency and putting them in different parts of the armour. Some deliberate pooling was also involved.

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>>51054383
>>You know that IH motto
>>Iron within Iron without?
>>No, the flesh is weak
>>Never heard of it
Kek
Whatever the original meaning was or who said it, none can deny the IH made that phrase their own and live by what they understood of it.
Because the IH do hate weakness the same way the WE hate a mortal's un-chainaxed face, they think the ones who can't protect themselves are a burden on the rest and are basically the opposite of the Raven Guard with the same colour scheme.

Honestly, progressively inhuman as they were, it's no wonder why some thought they could be swayed to the traitor's cause.
But Ferrus had his heart in the right place, for he was based.

>>51056821
>>51056807

if they wanted it have assault under special rules maybe ? embarking and disembarking from an open topped vehicle is separate from an assault vehicle
open topped specifically refers to it's acces points , assault vehicle is a separate rule conferred by the open topped vehicle class , which the storm lord isn't

thinking it has assault is wishful thinking on your parts
next thing you're going to say it can always fire its gun twice because super heavies always count as having remained stationary
feel free to send gw an email and hear it from them though

>>51056261

I don't mind particularly much because I love the model, just trying to figure out if I want to go ultra minimal with my bikes to fit some in.

I kind of want a Legions allied detatchment for my Xana II mechanicum army, and I'm thinking about modelling them as servitorised/reanimated Marines controlled with cybernetics, with servitor heads and Xana shoulderpads and such. Would that be acceptable or would that be Model Heresy or something? Also, what Legion would be most suitable ruleswise? Was considering Iron Hands or Iron Warriors, since I want them to be tough. Was planning on some anti-air, maybe a Mortis Dread, and one of the heavy tanks from the HS slot.

>>51057184
Aww this is making the Leviathan the better supertransport but out of making the Stormlord a worse one..
Boooo

>>51057184
>maybe?
Exactly, it's a case of "maybe". You can't tell exactly what the designers were thinking when they wrote the rules that way, there were enough surprises in the FAQs to show you can't always guess what the designers were thinking.

>>51052563
>Chaos Sp- one of those things.

Wow, been a while since I've seen that meme.

>>51054041
God the IH one is so bad. It is the only one that is just bad. It is so plain.

>>51057338
i was being sarcastic
when have you ever heard of a special rule not being under the special rules section ?
i agree with the faq bullshittery though i think that was more the case of them realizing how idiotic/unbalanced some of their rules are and changing them

like i said feel free to ask gw
if it does count as an assault vehicle let us know cause that would be a real boon for my veletarii

>>51057209
Mate, you want anti air in the army that gave you BS5 3 shot haywire Vultarax? In exchange for a shitty rending prayer that does not jink, reduce cover saves, and can be blown up by an unlucky hit?

>>51057020
Cheers, all painted and based though

>>51057467
lmao I just noticed the IF and IH have almost the same chest icon

>>51057467
>DG
i know it suits them but it's also very plain

>>51057515
Oh wow, it is literally fist clenched vs unclenched.

>>51057581
But thats the point. It is the most plain but it is the only one that can't really be called too plain imo, cuz DG. That one is all about the weathering.

>>51057475
>special rules not in the section

Well, in this exact sort of case where another rule has multiple sub-rules.

I'll shoot em an email and see I guess.

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>>51057515
>Stole motto
>Stole battlecry
>Stole legion icon
>Stole half of their name from the IW and the other half from the IF
Srsly Iron Hands, wtf?