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Slower Than A Top Deck Warp World Into Scrambleverse In Melek Chaos Edition

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RESOURCES

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

>CARD SEARCHING

>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://www.magiccards.info

Thread Topic:
What are some archtypes you wish you could see more of in your meta?
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>>51043407
i don't even want to imagine the situation in the edition name trying to resolve.
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First for phyrexian waifus.
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>>51043921
Third for I want to fuck a robot zombie wife
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>>51043969
She is a big girl
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>>51043407
>Top Deck Warp World Into Scrambleverse In Melek Chaos Edition
Shit like this is why I'm working on a blue deck.
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>>51044038
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>>51044038
Still doesn't change the fact that I'd hit it with the unmatched ferocity of the Omnisiah.
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>>51044080
Where is that comic from?
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>>51043407
>What are some archetypes you wish you could see more of in your meta?

I don't think we're actually missing any archetypes in my meta. One of our players always has a new deck to play so we always get something a little different each time we play. It is usually always a combo deck, but the combos are at least new and unique when playing. As a group, most of us focus on one player who is usually never a threat (this might be because he's ganged up on all the time). I would actually like to see him win a game at some point.

I usually only play aggro, but I am working on a Breya combo deck since 1) I've never played combo 2) I'm being unoriginal about what combos to use and 3) she's new! However, I am looking for recommendations for the deck since I don't think I have the kinks worked out yet. Any advice would be appreciated.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breyas-etherium-combo-emporium/
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Is there something like perfect fits with a little design on them? I wanna do a little something for the cards in my deck that I can't foil out
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>>51043407
>What are some archtypes you wish you could see more of in your meta?
There my meta is literally only control. Everyone runs counterspells.dek, everyone has brutal black hand control tech, it's just vicious trying to play anything that isn't specifically geared to fuck those kind of decks.
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>>51043407
>What are some archtypes you wish you could see more of in your meta?
Not an archetype per se, but more counterspells. I think there's a grand total of two decks at my shop that run more than a handful, which means chaos, grouphug, and stax players have pretty much free reign to fuck up a table.
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she is pretty hot though
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WHY WAS THE RED LEGEND NOT REVEALED WIZARDS
WHAT THE FUG
ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO SAVE THAT ONE FOR THE LIST DUMP
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theres some thing more simple about building a commander deck.

i almost find it harder to contemplate how to build a 60 deck
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>>51044395
its because there's no concern about ratios primarily i believe.
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I want to build Derevi a non faggot deck it is taking all month
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>>51044395
when red and black are what I'm not playing
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>>51044444
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>>51044444
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>>51044395
EDH has more margin for error because of the singleton nature and the larger deck size (one land too many/few won't lose you nearly as many games and a a wrong card is 1% of the deck while a wrong playset is 6.667%). You also have a relatively stable card pool and meta, which is not the case with the sanctioned 60 card formats.
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>>51044447
my friend runs derevi as bird tribal. The powerlevels balance out p. well.
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Is feel like i need a new deck, what should i play if wanna play suicide?
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>>51044709
How is Aerie Worshippers? Besides being completely fucking misspelled
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>>51044375
inb4 its Chandras papa's solo card.
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>>51044375
>they know it's bad
>so they don't want to actually spoil it
>they're hoping to just quietly release it to avoid backlash
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>>51044080
Huh wasn't aware there's a comic outside of Dack Fayden one
>>51044375
You got Pia Nalaar last set friend :^)
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>>51044794
he doesn't run it but it looks p. garbo
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>>51044038
for you
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I have never really dabbled into the artifact side of EDH.
What would go in a deck that lets this card work well?
>Lifeline
>Scarecrone
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Really want to try running Isamaru Voltron with a handful of pillowfort cards like Ghostly Prison, Norn's Annex and Sphere of Safety to keep people off me. Any ideas of other good shit to throw in? Not necessarily looking to make this competitive (not that I probably COULD with Isamaru), just something kinda stupid and fun to play.
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>>51044899
tons of low drop equipment and ways to cheat the equip costs.
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>>51044899
replace dog with dwarf.

on the real though you're gonna need swiftfoot boots and as many things as you can get like it
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Should I show this off in my commander deck and THEN sell it or just sell it?
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>>51044942
>>51044938
I certainly plan on having a good mix of nice equipment, I'm just trying to think of other good control-type shit and protective enchantments to also throw in.
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>>51044968
These will only get more expensive as the years go by. They are a very limited run.
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>>51045041

t wotc shill
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>>51044444
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>>51044899
Aura of Silence? Humility? Lightmine Fields? Boardwipes if you can make your commander indestructible?

(Humility + Crovax, Ascendant Hero can be fun)

Control them with some soft stax or full on Orb Kit + Stasis.

Soft Stax (idk what the actual term for this stuff is) like Authority of the Consuls, Blind Obedience and Kismet.

Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Windborn Muse, Silent Arbiter, and Magus of the Tabernacle.

Sun Titan is usually good.
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>accidentally a sphinx of the steel wind
>most of it sort of
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>>51045280
thanks m8
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>>51045322
>breed lethality is $60 online
>atraxa is $20

will they reprint the 2016 precons?
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>>51044968
As long as your deck is sleeved then go for it.
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>>51045392

It's 40 at Walmart, probably your best bet.
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>>51044968

>you own that
God bless you, my son.
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First for chosen people super secret tech
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>>51045434
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>>51045322
balanced because it has no first strike imo
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>>51044878
Colorless Voltron... Thopter deck?
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Can he/she/whatfuckingever make a good mono black voltron commander?
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wow it's fucking boring great thanks wizards epic legendaries this set
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>>51045630
Tbh could be pretty sweet if built right.

Yes of course it's good in the 99, but if built right can be sold. Think equipment based aristocrats.
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>>51045707
Once again red gets the worst card of the cycle. Where's the surprise?
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Alright fellas, all the legends are out of the box now, let's rate them.

1. Baral, Chief of Compliance
2. Sram, Senior Edificer
3. Yahenni, Undying Partisan
4. Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
5. Hope of Ghirapur
6. Rishkar, Peema Renegade
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>>51045630
I was strongly considering making a Faries and Thrulls token deck with it at the helm.
I think it would be pretty decent, though I wish it had lifelike rather than haste.
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>>51045707
That's shitty. Do love the money though
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>>51045738
its a cute card i guess but so uninspiring and boring unless you wanna waifupick
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>>51045738
*monkey
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>>51045729
Switch green and red and its a home run
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>>51045750
Well to be fair it's probably going to be good enough for an Aggro deck in standard if there's something coming up. 3 power over 2 creatures which requires 3 blocker, and partially have first strike is pretty good.
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>>51045789
this isnt standard general though so i dont care about how good it is in standard, it's clearly good there or atleast has potential
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>>51045773
To be fair, I just grew so tired of green that it's nearly impossible for me to get excited about it.

Plus, I think his ability is pretty damn boring. ''I can turn things in Elvish Mystics!'' doesn't do anything for me, while an aggro commander who spawns a Monkey have more charm to it, at the very least.
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My 12 year old nephew wants to get into Commander, what deck should I get him?
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>>51045707
2 mana
>3/3
>first strike
>menace
>creature creation trigger.
>2 drop
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>>51045837
How is that a good or inspiring commander?
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>>51045819
There's no ''Go-too-deck''. You gotta know what he likes about magic, what he likes to play. Then, we can come up with something.
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>>51045877
He likes playing aggressively. Most of his decks are red.
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>>51045819
5 color chaos counterspell.
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>>51045890
Saskia would be the obious choice.
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>>51045890
Purphoros would probably be a good choice. It's cheap to build, easy to pilot, and really effective.
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Oh boy,

Let the autism of deck building begin.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-01-17-sliver-lining/
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Anyone get some good plays in recently?

>Went to a nearby shop for the first time last night, the LGS owner told me ahead of time it would be small. No buy-in at least.
>Got there and for the first game it was just a three-player pod.
>The two guys I met were playing a half decent Omnath Deck and Kaseto, Orochi Archmage Tribal Snakes. I decided to try out my Lazav since I recently overhauled it.
>Omnath is ramping pretty well and gets a turn 6 Vorinclex while Lazav is still on the field and before the start of turn 7 I Stunt Double(d) it then hit it with a Hero's Downfall and had Lazav become a copy as well.
>Manage to keep both till my next turn using my Pact of Negation.
>Mind Grind for 8 with Duskmantle Guildmage's first ability active.

I only stayed for two games but I think next time I will try and bring a weaker deck because even Hanna Superfriends crushed them. (Although that was a 4 player game with a U/W Sygg tribal Murloc joined in)
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>>51045934
Cut the Coat of Arms, put Door of Destinies instead.

Or keep it and put Doors too. but Door have less chance to backfire when you realize your opponent plays a Grave Titan and fuck you up.
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>>51045922

Seconded. Throw in a Krenko and a Kazuul and he'd have a few different legendaries to play around with that still work together.
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>>51045979
Not only that, but he can play a powered-down version of the deck depending on which commander is at the helm if his meta isn't strong enough to deal with Purphoros.
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>>51045707
wew

hyped for more pirates for my ramirez deck
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>>51045707
girl and monkey is nice
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>>51045707
>alesha
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>>51045630
He could be a decent commander. He's one of the few creatures in black that has easy access to indestructible.
>>51045707
I was hoping for something flashy. Seems to me that she was made with standard in mind. I find it interesting that she has menace with first strike.
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>>51046168
I think Yaheeni is going to be a pretty good commander. You can play her as a finisher in a black control deck that will allow you to easily finish the game. I might try her instead of Erebos in mine, though I doubt I run enough creature in it to make her worthwile.
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>>51046152
I don't even want to post about how much I like Alesha
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>>51045707
Mono-red voltron? Or is Godo still better
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Post Em?
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>>51046355
Pure Voltron? Godo is better

maybe an hybrid of going wide and tall, with ETBs like Impact Tremors, Phurphoros, this kind of things, and Extra-combat steps.
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>>51046381
Sounds really bad
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>>51046367

That Atraxa one sounds like mine, but if he's trying to do infect with your idiotic 20 infect houserule, he should really stop and focus on a straight counters Atraxa deck instead, he's gimping himself horribly by holding to infect when playing with you guys.
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>>51045707
and her little friend
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>>51046400
Not gonna lie, she is pretty bad. But I come from the point of view that commanders decks aren't meant to be built to be the most efficient possible, but to showcase a commander you love or find interesting and build around that card in the most efficient way.
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>>51046472
He is the one that made the rule but it hurt Aurelia and Newzuri as well, even Memnarchs Blightsteel is gimped.

Oh well.
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>>51046381
She could find a space in grenzo havoc raiser.
>>51046485
That monkey's face gives me a chuckle
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>>51045729 : My thoughts are similar to >>51045773.

Baral and Sram seem solid. Baral works in any deck using blue, but can pilot the deck as well. Sram makes sense in any voltron deck that can use white. Yahenni is interesting. I like the hate, built-in protection and sac-outlet, but it only seems worthwhile as the general. Rishkar is average, Hope is bizarre, and Kari Zev's doesn't seem worth using in any deck (even outside of EDH), but the monkey token seems humorous.
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>>51046063
>Ramirez
>red
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>>51045707
2 power and she would be busted. Mini Geist if saint traft.

Still shit
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>>51046355
Godo is the fucking king. Accept no substitutes.
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>gut my Melek deck for RG Wort
>all these blue cards

fuck what do I do with these

I kind of want to build Azami LabMan
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>>51044987
Add kusari-gama and Kaldra's sword
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>>51046367

These are always so fucking cringe, just stop.
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>>51046675
It starts conversation sometimes at least, but by all means cry about it some more.
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>>51046726

Have you tried not being autistic?
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>>51046756
>getting triggered at pictures
Just close your eyes and walk away from the screen
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>>51044828
There's also one for Garruk's orgin story and some stuff of him going around trying to get the chain veil curse broken. You get to see him punch Jace in the throat.
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>keep being struck with inspiration for new decks
>continue putting off Alesha for another few weeks
I've been doing this for almost a year now.

Help.
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>>51044038
4W
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>>51045707

This is a good Standard creature. The menace makes it tempting to attack and get a monkey buddy. It aslo has a lot of synergy with the block's mehcanical theme (permanents coming in and out of play).

As for EDH, it doesn't look too hot.
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>>51046503
she's not interesting though and doesn't give you a reason to build around her, I don't expect every deck to be top tier efficient but you should at least have a reason to pick a commander other than 'waifu art'
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>>51047065
Here's a reason: It's the first legendary creature you opened in a booster

See? simple as that. someone will build here, so there's no point in making the argument of ''Build something else'' unless someone wants efficiency as their top priority
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who sits better, vish kal or oloro?
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>>51047129
Definitely Oloro
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>>51043407
Best girl
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How does Yidris work with Suspend? Does something like Rift Bolt "remember" that it has one or more instances of Cascade when I suspend it, so when the time counter is gone it'll cascade?
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>>51047238
Read Yidris again and answer that question
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bought my first commander deck just now

did i do good?
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>>51047238
It is cast from exile, not from your hand. It will not trigger yidris Additionally, it is not cast on the turn you hit with Yidris, the act of suspending a card is an ability rather than a means of casting.
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>>51047238
Ydris doesn't work with Suspend.

Suspend exiles it from your hand, than cast it without paying its mana cost when the last time counter is removed, which is usually at your upkeep. Which mean Ydris would have to deal combat damage before your upkeep for it to cascade
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>>51047260
Do you enjoy it?
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>>51045707
I have it. Voltron but only with equipment that doesn't raise power, so she can slip by untouched constantly. All kinds of double strike enablers and furnace of rath. Does the monkey cause Impact Tremors and Purphoros to go off? Cause that's something too.
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>>51047193
that is pretty N U T
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>>51047349
>skeleton key
and yes

also
>not raising power
have fun attacking 21 times.
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>>51047352
>Voltron but only with equipment that doesn't raise power, so she can slip by untouched constantly.
You're thinking of Skulk. Menace is "can't be blocked except by 2 or more creatures"
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>>51047392
meant for
>>51047352
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>>51047260
he is alright, you need way to recure your enchantments though
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>>51047258
>>51047261
>>51047308
Understood. Thanks y'all.
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>>51047129
Vish Kal has more style, Oloro has a nicer chair. Personally I like Vish Kal better.
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why dont more people play bruna for voltron? she fucking wrecks
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>>51047397
Oh wait you're right. New plan. Fullout Voltron, but with a creature steal sub theme because pirates
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>>51047349
i sure hope so. I looked through the deck and it seems solid. i like enchantments and tokens
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>>51047445
Because I play Bruna to meld with her sister in my Monowhite deck.
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>>51047445
All three of the powerpuff girls are pretty damn good for voltron.
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>>51047504
You could use Confusion in the Ranks and the monkey to steal shit, I suppose
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>>51047505
Then that's all that matters. The primary focus of commander is fun. Get to know your deck, and make upgrades as you go. Take a look at edhrec if you want an idea of what common upgrades for Daxos are
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>>51045729
I love them all desu. great cycle
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>>51047504
There's even a steal spell called mass mutiny.
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>>51047504
First strike and menace are already powerful keywords, she only costs 2 even. She's balanced by being small, since I'm not working with skulk any more, then -purely- power would be great. Bone splitter, swords of Wallets. The niche to play her over someone else
for Voltron is the gimmick of also having a free enter the battle field trigger. And also, essentially, a disconnected +2/+0.
Run with war storm surge, Purphoros, impact tremors, anything else I can find.

I think Kari is a strong, psuedo "3"/3 for only 2 with killer key words that should make her cost more, and a free etb.
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anything more conflicting than flip cards?
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>>51046485
That little monkey is going to be the one to ruin all of tezz's plans
You heard it here first
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>>51047590
Also strong against walkers? She's horrendous to block in general, most walkers can do nothing to stop both her and her monkey, the opponent will just have to let them go. Small but important to also consider.
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>all of the block's legends are better in the 99 than as commanders
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>>51047524
what are the other ones?
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>>51047744
WotC only prints not dog shit commanders in the annual commander sets now
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>>51047845
gisela and sigarda
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Gilded Lotus in mono-colored decks:

Y/N
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>>51047895
Sure. Still solid ramp

Unless it's green, then you're doing it wrong
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>>51047845
Best powerpuff girl coming through
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>>51047916
Not green. My green deck runs very few rocks and shitloads of ramp spells to win with Scapeshift
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>>51047856
I guess the printing of the gitgud toad and the cycles in khans and fate has me too optimistic
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>>51047984
khans was basically the last set that is gets decent commanders since it was around that time commander had a huge influx of players due to standard being so shit
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>>51047937
>make a great card with a cool character
>make a return-to-set
>"Oh, boy, I hope they bring back [cool character]!"
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>>51047260
Lots of good cards, Karlov is much better and more fun than Daxos unless you really love enchantments.
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>>51044222

I've only ever seen "character guard", which has a little design on a clear sleeve but instead of being perfect fit it goes outside the normal sleeve, for like a triple sleeve
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REAL POST 'EM HOURS
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>>51048276
>no blue
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>>51047744
>mfw baral is a totally fine monoblue commander
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>>51048310
>filename
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>>51048023

We're not allowed to have nice things, but this should have been obvious since Scars of Mirrodin.
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>>51048310
>blue players
topkek
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>>51048023
Don't remind me that she's dead.
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>>51048355
nice try fag, at instant speed i tapp two blue to counter that
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>>51048310
hah, nerd
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>>51048276
I also got a Saskia deck for Christmas that I haven't done anything with yet.

Right now I'm debating between building Zada spellslinger, R/G Wort spellslinger, W/G Krond enchantress, or rebuilding Brion as Aurelia tokens again (which would sadly require me to take quite a lot out of Zurgo).
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>>51048378
Nice try
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>>51048416
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>>51046568
Kari Zev Triggers revolt which can lead into strong payoffs. She'll probably see some sort of standard play.
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>>51048423
rude
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>>51048416
Youre a retard
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>>51048378
Tap G for "Hushhh" targeting Teeg
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>>51048416
change target of your spell to my commander
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>>51045707
>first strike and menace to push through that damage
>boner on
>1/3
>boner off
>cute art
>boner on
I don't know what to think, lads
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>>51048416
>targeting a creature that has yet to resolve
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>>51048378
Did you forget i used this?
>>51048416
You were just joking right?
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>>51048470
>she will fuck a literal ape before even considering talking to you
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>>51048276
>that Ghave description

Also how on earth do you get a Scapeshift win in EDH
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>>51048378
dont worry i got this for you
>>51048485
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>>51048485
no im just retarded it's ok, i've learnt to live with myself
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>>51048498
By having 1-3 valakuts, or Titania.
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>>51048496
Don't say things like that. It's just a friend monkey.
Thinking about a cute pirate girl being tender-like loved by her monkey friend is for midnight touchin', not card game Thursdays. Johnny got real upset because of what happened to his Alesha even though it's not my fault she's pretty.
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>>51048539
The first one. Though I could probably throw Titania in there for more fun shit and to bolster the token overrun backup plan

>>51048498
It's convoluted and obnoxious but man is it fun to pull off

>Have Valakut
>Vesuva + Thespian's Stage as copies of Valakut
>Have Prismatic Omen out for All Mountains All The Time
>PLAY RAMP SPELLS
>Scapeshift to sac your lands and drop in more
>Ideally Conspired for more lands
>Splendid Reclamation for everything you just sacrificed
>Prismatic Omen makes everything a Mountain for 9 damage off each land entering
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>>51048444
it's "you're", and thanks
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>>51048276
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>>51048276
Can I have decklist for EVIL SHIT.
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>>51047916
I feel like gilded lotus might be even better in mono green, like it's needed less cuz they have such good ramp, but ramping into gilded lotus on turn 3 is really strong
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>>51048557
Thank you for Babyface posting anon, you made my night.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/built-to-last-2/
I've cut incendiary command for combustible gearhulk and hammer for quicksmith genius.
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Is this card fair /edh/? I dont want to get my commander doublestrike and this and have everyone shit their pants because muh lands
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>>51048643
Selvala list? I need some lightspeed ramp in my life and she looks pretty fun
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What can I play in mono-red to punish naughty blue mages more, stuff like Price of Glory
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>>51048396
wow did you think of that edric deck yourself
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>>51048692
Ha! Of course not. Like I said, I just threw it together based on whatever shitty blue evaders and shitty green mana dorks I had lying around and it was fun enough that I decided to hang onto and improve it. It's pretty unoriginal as it is now, but like I said it's fun to play.
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>>51048691
War's Toll
Mana Web
Burning Earth
Manabarbs
Shivan Harvest
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>>51048691
mana barbs, pyroblast, red elemental blast, bloodmoon, mindmoil
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>>51048518
OBJECTION!!!
>>51048679
I think it's fair since the player that got hit chooses what to sacrifice and it doesn't hit multiple targets at once. Besides, it only kicks in during combat.
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>>51048679
I'm running it in Bruse Tarl/Silas Renn and anything with it will rarely live for more than a turn.
That said it's perfect if you want to dunk on Timmy in a 1v1.
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>>51048748
>>51048758
I was going to flash that shit in with sigaurdas aid but if shits kosher I'm gunna do it.
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>>51048276
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>>51045729
aren't we supposed to get Advika Taar too? Or was her bio for something else?
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I wanna blow up motherfuckers' lands. I want people to save their counterspells for MAD/MLD instead of the creatures I'll beat them in the face with after I blow up their lands.

Suggestions? Should I just go straight for Armageddon, Ravages of War, etc.? Or are there better or budget options available?
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>>51048813
theres no rares or mythics left to spoil so i guess not
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>>51048686
myr superion, lupine prototype, phyrexian dread, phyrexian soulgorger, etc. You get the picture. Throw in untappers and one drop dorks to get selvala turn 2, add fat and youre gold
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>>51048849
Run zurgo boardwipe tribal
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>>51048849

Lands or everything else too?

Standard Zurgo tech should accomplish everything you want here.

Worldslayer
Jokulhaups
Obliterate
Devastation
Wildfire

Shit like that.
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>>51048849
Red has a ton of MLD. Obliterate, decree of annihilation, jokulhaups, keldon firebombers, etc. White's MLD is very few but they're solid such as Armageddon, cataclysm, soulscour, and catostrophe. Which colors are you planning to run?
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>>51048910
Mostly lands. I want to get a good creature base and forcibly keep it that way long enough to win.

>>51048929
Red and white, but I do already have a Zurgo deck that would require very little modification to work with land destruction. It already has a Worldslayer in it. Come to think of it, it might make that deck better: it has problems with people removing Zurgo, and getting rid of their lands would stop that. Hmm.
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>>51048416
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>>51048966
If you can, throw in other creatures with indestructible such as tajic blade of the legion. And darksteel ingot is a solid mana rock for this kind of strategy
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>>51048966
just run avacyn and be that guy
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>>51048276
>blue is for chumps
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>>51048994
go away, jojofag.
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>>51049265
Look at all these chump commanders
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>>51048966
if you're going to pop lands you should consider boros charm, faith's reward, and obviously crucible of worlds
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>>51048276
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>>51049351
I should really bring Shu Yun back into rotation. Do you have a list I could sneak a peek at?
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>>51049380
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shu-yun-the-silent-spell-striker/
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So I am making a Hope of Ghirapur deck or at lest trying to before the set launches, anyone have suggestions to what I already have so far?

>http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/264795
I am adding Scrap Trawler as well.

I tried avoiding Eldrazi and Stax effects, but I feel if I do the deck won't live up to it's potential.
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>>51048276

Surrak
>http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/264289
Play creatures, turn creatures sideways, make the blue mage sad while being a better blue mage.

Saskia
>Out of the box
Friend's got tired of me playing money and blue.

Hope
>See >>51049530
Trying to make it work, voltron/artifact recursion. Seems like a fun way to keep friends guessing what will happen next.
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Post cards you run strictly to deal with local meta decks.

Fucking Narset and Maelstrom Wanderer.
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>>51046367
template?
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>>51045411
i hid three boxes of breed lethality behind a bunch of shit on the shelf for a month till i had the cash.
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>>51049664
I run 2 mana deathtouchers and fliers because of all the bullshit weenies decks in my meta. Daxos of meletis is a dick I'd you build big stompy decks.
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I'm sure Alesha rides very well
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>>51048276
first time doing a chart for you guys. brainstorm are decks that I'm throwing ideas to the wall and see what sticks. naturally, it's subject to change at any moment.
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>>51044444
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>>51048276

>>51048803
>being this autistic
I'm exactly the same.

Last thread someone asked for the selvala Brostorm list. Here it is. Call me a filthy tryhard net decker.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/selvala-brostorm/

Has a nice budget list as well.

Added a Rashmi control list to the roster I'm looking to make cuts on and make room for some cards if someone is interested in taking a look. Wanting to add Forbid, Oracle of Mul Daya and mystic speculation.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-rashmi-control/
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Anyone see any obvious problems with my Ghave deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/forage-through-the-fungus/

Notable Changes:
>took out some of the slower durdley creatures
>added skullclamp, parallel lives, Reyhan, hanweir militia captain, avatar of the resolute, and ophiomancer

It seems to be working better now, I'm just incredibly autistic and I want to make sure I put up a good fight at the local commander night. People have been talking a big game, and they're offering some of those zombie san deigo comic con planeswalkers as prizes.
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>>51050596
Got a list handy for Breya Eggs?
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>>51050742
It's just eggs and Breya dude.

35 lands
10~ eggs
10~ rocks
10~ combo pieces
10~ artifact goodstuff
10~ spot removal
5~ tutors
10~ goodstuff staples
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>>51050742
Mine's probably closest to this, but I'm not literally made of money so I don't have all of the combos that are in this (LED/salvagers). But pretty much everything can be swapped for something more budget. LED/salvagers becomes Eldrazi displacer/Ashnod's Altar, all the expensive tutors become less expensive ones, timetwister becomes windfall/timespiral etc. That's what's nice about eggs, the shell is cheap and the rest can be upgraded as you go.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-goddess-of-eggs/
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>>51050742
>>51050779

I tried building eggs combo more all-in, all the artifact mana cost reducers, high density of cantripping artifacts, and then stuff like future sight and Vedalken archmage that let you storm through your whole deck finding scrap mastery and krark clan ironworks, etc and Faith's reward, but also running Breya combo staples like Ashnod's altar and Nim death mantle

It was cool and could win very early a lot of the time m, but sometimes you draw the wrong combination of stuff in the opener and don't do much that game. sometimes the storm plan fizzles because of land flood, but you can't run too few lands in 4 colors or you jammed up mana wise
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>>51050779
>more than 30 lands
>only 10 rocks
It's like you don't want to artifact ramp
>10 combo pieces
Are you literally trying to be Rube Goldberg?
>10 spot removal
What are you so scared of?
>5 tutors
>laughinggirls.png
>"staples"
>not just playing cards that actually help you win the game
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what is some good card draw for mono-black? Im already running necropotence and phyrexian arena.
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>>51048276
Reporting.
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>>51047445

Because she costs six. I have a Bruna deck, it's fun to play but it's hard to hang when you gotta cast a six cmc creature, have a haste enabler and either no one has removal or you have countermagic. When she swings, you kill people but in my experience you don't get to swing a lot. I think in a slower meta she is probably a beast, but so many games I cast her, she eats some removal through my countermagic and then someone wins that turn because removal and counterspells got used.
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>>51050974
Dark Confidant, underworld connections, greed, tutors, Yagmawth's will, ad nauseum, Grislb-
What more do you want?
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>>51050974

Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena and some of the stuff >>51051140 listed is pretty okay too
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>>51050974
I like Promise of Power, it's a solid 5 cards for 5 mana
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>>51048276
I may have a problem.
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>>51050714
Too many one time, single target removal spells (try Attrition, Aura Shards, and Ulvenwald Tracker). No real win cons except Kraul (Triumph of the Hordes, True Conviction, Overwhelming Stampede). Not enough CA/draw (Evolutionary Leap, Mentor of the Meek, Shamanic Revelation).
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Is dual caster Mage+gilded lotus+saheelis artistry a gay combo?
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>>51051294
Define gay. That's an awful lot of set up for a combo that doesn't directly win the game.
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>>51050967
>don't want combo pieces in the deck
>doesn't want tutors
>somehow without those we're supposed to just play cards that win the game
I mean I guess Craw Wurm helps win the game but I actually play with people who aren't children.

>What are you so scared of?
Someone else actually playing Magic: the Gathering and not Craw Wurm Magic.
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>>51051323
It does a lot to give you infinite mana and creatures in play when you have aggravated assault and lightning greaves on the field
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>>51050974
there are basically a billion options, and it depends on your gameplan which ones you want to use.

there are slow card draw spells like phyrexian arena, bloodgift demon, graveborn muse, etc. i've actually grown disillusioned with these because they won't help you in a pickle and a lot of time they'll just get hit by an errant board wipe before doing anything.

there are also "pay mana/life to draw" spells like Erebos, God of the Dead and Greed

there are smaller draw spells like sign in blood and night's whisper. then there are bigger draw spells like Promise of Power, Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving. these "instant" draw spells very nice for monoblack in my opinion.

I think draw spells that give you cards right away are generally the best for a monoblack deck, simply because of the way monoblack's mana works. sometimes you'll have only 5 mana at turn 5, other times you'll have 15 mana because of mana doublers. drawing into a phyrexian arena at 15 mana actually sucks because it'll take you at least another turn until you can use your mana. however, drawing into an ambition's cost is better since it gives you cards instantly. drawing into a Greed is even better because you can dump like 10 mana into drawing more cards if you need to.

so in my opinion, cards that draw slowly but over a long time aren't that great, but i have a very explosive style of building decks. i like to cast a billion spells and tap out entirely with my turns. however they do have superior value in a way though. phyrexian arena, if cast early in the game, will give you tons of value for basically almost nothing.

another point to think about is deck thinning. i think 15 smaller draw spells is better than 10 bigger draw spells. having 15 smaller card draw spells means you essentially have a smaller deck and a higher chance of drawing into draw spells.

if you don't want to worry about putting draw into your deck, you can just play erebos as your commander.
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>>51051000
>anon bought two precons totaling $70 instead of $70 of staples that could build three or four real decks
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>>51050974
Skullclamp/Culling Dais + Bitterblossom/Ophiomancer, Harvester of Souls

>>51051329
If you have Greaves in play then the AA is irrelevant (just make infinite Greaves to go with your infinite Dual Casters). I don't think anyone has the right to complain about losing to a 4 card combo.
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>>51051327
childhood is when you tutor for combos
adulthood is realizing that craw wurm makes more sense
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>>51045707
>That art
>The flavor text
0/10, F----
An airship pirate vixen has to be the easiest thing in the world to not fuck up, but they somehow managed to do it. Stop letting tumblr design cards.

>>51045729
>60 card
Red, blue, white, green, artifact, black

>EDH
Blue, white, green, garbage, garbage, garbage

>Flavor
Black, blue, white, green, artifact, flaming garbage

>>51048679
That card goes past fair all the way to bad. Just pack a strip mine if you're worried about arcane lighthouse.
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>>51051547
>Colorless
>Garbage in EDH
It's not that bad, anon. It's Isamaru but trades a +1/+1 with flying and the ability is pretty spicy.
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>>51047845
Gisela = Blossom
Bruna = Bubbles
Sigarda = Buttercup
But who is Mojo Jojo?
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>>51051591
but isamaru isn't even good

sram on the other hand seems like he will be the new weenie voltron god
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>>51051606
Isamaru isn't amazing either, but he's good for Voltron since he's cheap.
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>>51051237
>>51048276
>mfw I not only forget to respond to the post 'em hours, my attempts to create an image that can be easily viewed without opening it in a new tab/whatever make it unreadable and indiscernible as a thumbnail

confirmed for having a problem
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>>51051600
Griselbrand?
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>>51051643
Yup, the proffessor was avacyn.
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>>51051643
I feel like Griselbrand is closer to the red tranny I forgot the name of. Who's Avacyn? What other legends were there?
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>>51051547
What's wrong with the art? What's wrong with the flavor text? What does any of it have to do with tumblr in the first place?
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>>51051664
>the red tranny I forgot the name of
HIM, I think
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>>51051652
The Powerpuff Girls are older than Avacyn.
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>>51045729
>Sram
nice Depala support card
>Baral
look at the others and tell me this shit isn't pushed to the fucking moon, what the fuck
first Leovold and now this shit

>Yahenni
seems fun, a fun enough vampire in the 99, not top-tier or anything, Aetherborn Vampire is a pretty sweet creature type

>Kari Zev
At least she's not Pia. Probably going to end up building her because I hate myself.

>Rishkar
Decent. Could be a great elfball commander.

>Hope
I did not even realize this shit was legendary what the fuck. It's... cool? Colorless isn't my jam, though I'm going to have to take another look at it now since cheap commanders are totally my jam.
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Anyone up with any experience with Emmy 2.0 as a commander? I want to try her out at the helm of my current colorless deck.

Is there any tech I should be aware of besides pic related?
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>>51051668
>What's wrong with the art?
First she's ugly. Not battle-scarred ugly, she just has man face. Secondly it looks like a photo shoot. It's not just the cancerous photorealism that's been popping up more lately, her pose looks like it was taken from the cover of Cosmo. The other four legends are all candid shots of them doing something or scoping something out, but Kari is striking a pose and staring straight at the viewer.

>What's wrong with the flavor text?
Because it's cookie cutter strong womyn bullshit, right down to the cringey ship name. There's nothing fantastical or piratey about it.

>What does any of it have to do with tumblr in the first place?
This is exactly how SJWs would make a pirate vixen. Bland, unappealing, and SO precocious.
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>>51051765
>First she's ugly. Not battle-scarred ugly, she just has man face

you could have had a point but you started your argument with this retarded "every character must be like my animus" bullshit which basically reveals that your opinions are worthless
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>>51051798
>Don't be mean to my waifu
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>>51051824
>fucking wotc why arent you pandering to my need to see anime waifus in my card games
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>>51051839
>Wanting card art to look like this
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>>51051880
ugly ppl exist, get over it senpai
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>>51051950
This is fiction, kohai, so they don't have to. You seem awfully sensitive about this, did you starve yourself to look like Barbie when you were younger?
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>>51051977
do you also have a problem with ugly dudes and monsters in mtg? does everything need to be sexually appealing to you? are you like 14?
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>>51051998
>Do you also have a problem with ugly dudes and monsters in mtg?
Yes, barring the ones who are inhuman or grotesque.

>Does everything need to be sexually appealing to you?
Beautiful does not imply sexually appealing. I can't tell if you're trolling or actually have some bizarre sour grapes hatred for attractive fictional characters, but I'm done replying to you.
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>>51052050
i guess i win the argument then haha
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>>51052050
I agree on the flavor text for her creature card, a bit unimaginative.
As for the art, I found her passable, though I definitely noticed she seemed to be quite covered up. Once I read she's supposed to be 14/15 years old, then I figured that's just Wizards playing it safe.
I wonder how many times they revised the art before it was finalized.

Her expertise card, I will agree she sure is ugly there. Quite the potato nose going on.

All up, she's clearly intended to be identified with by ugly jailbait tomboys who didn't get asked to prom and are destined to default into the drunken disarray of the lgbt scene. Or would be, if they don't give making a visit to a local FNM a go where a potentially not-hideous geekboy might have the courage to ask them out. Or more realistically scare the strong womyngurl off when he barks at her for not knowing how the stack works.
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I want to play UR spellslinger

Is Melek or MIzzix more fun? More importantly, is there any reason to use Melek over MIzzix? I want Melek to work so badly, but Mizzix just seems better
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>>51051977
Ko u hai, you philistine
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So I really like playing elves but I always play monocolor and I'd like to branch out. Who's the best multicolor elf commander?
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>>51052432
>I want to play UR spellslinger
No you don't. Trust me. You'll have fun for exactly one game and then be bored to death.
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>>51053366
Edric
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>>51053385
>You'll have fun for exactly one game and then be bored to death.
If you play the most boring spells in the game, maybe. My first deck was Melek and it's still assembled and I still play it.

>>51052432
You may want to play Melek if you want double spells, which could be good depending on what you plan to cast. Either way you can run both in the deck and switch them as you please.
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Currently building a manaless deck. Any suggestions? I run charbelcher, restore balance and the oops all spells combo. I'll probably include a few more tutors, one more land and more free creatures / interactions with them.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/how-salty-can-you-get/
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Just splashed out on a new deck. I thought I'd up my powerlevel whilst still trying to make a fun deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-millsteal/

The commander arms race in my playgroup is insane. The etb Brago deck recently acquired panharmonicon.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-millsteal/
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>>51044444

Obey wisepost
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Who else /didntgetmuch/ from Aether Revolt here?

Baral's Expertise might be cool, but all the rest of the big spells have X cost.
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>>51044444
I thought there weren't gets on /tg/ I mean thread infection is nice and all
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>>51053988
As always I want to cram Lifecrafter's Bestiary and Tresure Keeper in Animar because creature interactions.

And yeah, look at all those X spells I can't run on Jeleva or Mizzix because Epic Experiment/Mind's Desire.
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do you think there is a chance this will ever get a reprint that brings it down to a reasonable price?
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>>51054029
No, its too good for Wizards these days.

Look at our shitty tutors for the last 5+ year.
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So I built this guy by himself for shits and giggles last night and I like how it turned out.

It's basically just Dimir artifacts. It uses a lot of the Nim from the original mirroring.

Should I splash black for vial smasher? I'm sorta considering it but Im not sure what it would add outside of goblin welder/daretti/Hellkite Tyrant/scrap mastery for the deck.
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>>51046829
They've also had the ones for the Masques block story. So much based Kev Walker work.
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>>51053366
You could do the Rhys that is black and green. Nath is also green and black.

There aren't many blue elves, so I think it might be a waste to do Edric or Newzuri.
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>>51050596
>accusing other people of autism
>he has two duel commander decks

ok
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>>51048646
Yeah later

It's been through substantial changes recently, gotten a lot stronger and more consistent
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>>51053120
ō can be simplified into o or ou, bakayaro
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>>51054215
I am sure it opens up more than mono red cards, There has to be some grixis, izzet and rakdos spells you could make use of.

Red also has some ways to give your commander haste and maybe some blocking tricks.
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>>51054261
He calls himself autistic in the same post, also who cares?
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>>51054029
It's at 150euro now, is that not reasonable enough?
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>>51054215
Trash for Treasure, Slobad and Godo are all v nice
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>>51054322
Toki wo tomare
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>>51054509
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>>51048679
ha my grandma stills says that red sky shit
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>>51051765
aren't magic cards memories? who was she looking at like that?
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>>51051977
>You seem awfully sensitive
who posted first?
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>>51051765
>waaah waaah SJWs did this

Could you be any more of a worthless grognard?
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>>51051765
>Not battle-scarred ugly, she just has man face.
Not really. I don't see any masculine features here at all.
>It looks like a photo shoot
What's wrong with that? You dislike the promo art for Hanna, Ship's Navigator as well? Plenty of cards have "posing" characters on them.
>Because it's cookie cutter strong womyn bullshit, right down to the cringey ship name.
I don't understand. Nothing about that flavor text has anything to do with women's liberation or rights. She's a fucking pirate.
>There's nothing fantastical or piratey about it
Mentioning a "dragon" in the ship name is fantastical, and "not following the law" is pretty fucking piratey: where you under the Lazytown impression that pirates only hunt for treasure and aren't just thieves?
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I'm helping my friend with his Varolz deck and want some spicy tec, any suggestions?
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>>51054631
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>>51048023
It would be fine if her fused angel form didn't have such a fucktarded name.
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>>51055213
Scavenge always struck me as kinda bad, but you could do a thing with +1/+1 counters. Gyre Sage; Reyhan, last of the Abzan; Champion of Lambholt; Battlefront Krushok; Death's Presence; Crowned Ceratok; Armorcraft Judge. The outlast guys could be useful for giving buffed creatures trample or reach or whatever.

It occurs to me that Persist would be at a premium with this deck. Woodfall Primus and Puppeteer Clique could be kept on the battlefield and killed multiple times if you had creatures in the yard to exile and put +1/+1 counters on them: +1/+1 counters neutralize -1/-1 counters, so they'd be able to die and come back with Persist again each time you did this.
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>>51055213
Retribution of the Ancients is consistently amazing in my Varolz, especially with Phyrexian Dreadnought and friends
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>>51049395
>>51049380
Is building Shu Yun worth it?
I see it every thread, and perhaps I'm too much of a casual noob, but... I just don't see it winning games.
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>>51055213
Varolz is my budget "fun" deck to play with newer players so I probably don't have great money cards but some of my favorites off the top of my head are:

Buried Alive
Force of Savagery
Groundbreaker
Phyrexian Soulgorger
(Some creature I can't remember the name of but its a low drop 13/13 or something that gets -1/-1 for each life an opponent has. Maybe someone else remembers)

Riftsweeper also comes in handy
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>>51055685
any instant or sorcery that gives him unblockable and pile on the fact he is blue? what could go wrong?
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>>51055736
death's pressence, worldwake
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>>51055685
Shu Yun is a fun commander, my buddy built him for our "Budget" decks. (For when we get bored of our overtuned competitive decks)

RW both offer great combat tricks and buffs and blue offers tons of easy evasion.

I imagine if built properly it could be devastating. (As far as voltrons go)
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>>51055756
Not sure if you are tacking onto my list or are trying to say thats the creature I cant remember the name of. If its the latter it is wrong though.

I found it though, Death's Shadow so maybe you were just mixed with words.
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>>51051291
Thanks for the feedback anon. Sorry I passed out last night before I could take a look.

I agree, I have too much single target removal. Maybe I'll swap some things around to see what I can do for a better removal package.

Now, with regards to wincon, there are quite a few actually. The engine works like this:
>sac outlet
>something that generates +1/+1 counters, or mana
>ghave

The idea is to throw out some of those little weenies and go for surprise wins with ridiculously huge things, or by going stupidly wide. Now, overwhelming stampede/triumph of the horde/pathbreaker ibex are all things that I want to run, I"m just not sure what to cut to make room for them.

Now, in terms of card draw, methinks you are mistaken. There are 10 things that will draw me cards or tutor up something if I need it, and that's not including the various mana ramp or fixing. Any more and my ratio will probably get fucked up. Armorcraft Judge, ambition`s cost, deathreap ritual, Yisan, Shamanic Revelation and Birthing Pod are hanging out in my binder, but again, I don`t know what to cut to fit those things in there.

This was one of those decks that had a bunch of interesting spicy tech, but wound up getting cut to try in the streamlining process. From testing, it`s really boom-or-bust. Either I have a solid opening hand instantly win by t4-t8, or I get blown out in hilarious fashion.
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when are we getting two planeswalkers on one card
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>>51055926
When Gisa and Geralf gain their sparks
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>>51055820
i did, sorry. woke at 4 am and havent been able to sleep

on that note, behold, my shitty attempt at getting down to business. suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/surrak-smash-2/
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What is the best mana fixing creature in the game?

I'm looking for something that I can tutor up to even out my curve and throw a whole fuckload of lands onto the battlefield. I don't really care how strong it is, I just want to be able to hit it with worldly tutor.
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Dunno if I want to continue down the path of Mizzix. The things I want to do with her just seem like Melek is better at the helm but then I lose out on the sick mana reduction of Mizzix because I really just want to copy spells all day.

Arjun seems pretty cool tho. I just have no idea how you are supposed to win with him since he looks to be built like a worse Niv Mizzet.
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>>51056786
>>51056786
New thread is up, migrate at your leisure.
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>>51043407
combo pretty much all of my decks are really good against combo but everyone seems to be in the "fuck combo" mindset around here.
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>>51054422
since i bought a vampiric tutor for 20 yesterday I'd say no

>>51054120
did you already forget eternal masters?
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>>51056378
Real Izzet Mages play Jhoira.
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>>51045729
>baral
>as your commander
haha no
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>>51046756
where do you think we are?
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>>51046367
I'd play with your meta, looks pretty fun
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>>51056863
>did you already forget eternal masters?

Sorry I will rephrase>>51054120

>Look at our NEW shitty tutors PRINTED for the last 5+ year.

The recently developed tutors are mostly trash or extremely niche.
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>>51046367
These take too fucking long to make
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>>51047445
no hexproof lol
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>>51056820
>everyone seems to be in the "fuck combo" mindset around here
Combo as in "my cards interact in a way to provide more value than they would have on their own"? That's fine and anyone who complains is a bitch.

Combo as in "I cast X while Y is out which makes me go infinite, oops I win"? Fuck you.
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>>51057094
The 2nd one. If someone is left alone enough to go "oops I win" everyone else is doing something wrong.
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/snek-stax/

Wanted to build something to take advantage of the green stax type cards that usually don't see any play. Settled on Patron of the Orochi for massive mana and repeat activated abilities, along with Enchantresses to take advantage of the number of enchantments and token producers and Helix Pinacle to dump the mana into. I do want to find a slot for Cryptolith Rite, and feel like I'm not getting full advantage out of cards like Sasaya and Burgeoning with the land count being so low, and the low land count might be an issue in and of itself. I also want to find a slot for Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury but didn't have one when I was putting the deck together. Also yes I know all the tokens would make Craterhoof a great win con, and if I had one it'd be in there. Until then ulting Nature's Artisian will have to do.

So, any suggestions? Anybody else ever try to build mono green stax with any success?
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>>51057139
>you better have mana ready at all times and the specific answer to respond to my combo or else you deserve to lose :^)
or
>you better spend all your resources trying to kill me first even though you're exposing yourself to every other player while they're getting stronger just because I can win regardless of boardstate and player life totals :^)
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>>51057297
That first one isn't even hard. Leaving up one or two mana for a swords to plowshares, a doom blade, or a vandalblast doesn't take much effort. As for the second one, most of the time it's pretty easy to rally everyone to kill a combo player.
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>>51056915
>Jhoira
Nothing says izzet like eldrazi titans and field wipes

>>51056378
Mizzix will help you spell sling, but she's very fragile to keep alive
Melek is alright, but as soon as he's out, everyone's going to want to focus you when they see what you have on top, so you have to play more long game
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>>51057288
>Anybody else ever try to build mono green stax with any success?
Yes, it's a terrible idea. There are simply not enough good stax cards to make it worth while.
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>>51057333
>Nothing says izzet like big spell after big spell, each one potentially game changing.
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>>51057402
>Nothing says kill me, like Armaggeddon and kozilek on suspend
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