Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51038518
I am going to guess that Paths of the Righteous are not in the trove yet because I can't seem to find it. Somebody have the muse pages on hand to help out a silly anon? I have no anime girl pictures on this computer, so imagine one if needed as a reward.

>>51038527

(You) have a good point.

>Start at level 1 as an Arcanist
>Have only 14 AC

Should I be worried in case I get surprised before I put on Mage Armor?

>>51038776
At level 1, anyone can die. Just make sure you're not in the firing line at the start.

For the surprise round, it's anyone's guess who will eat it. If you're up against melee enemies, make sure to put the meatshield between you and then. If you're up against ranged, go prone as a free action, to get +4 AC.

Other than that, it's called rusty dagger shanktown because a single hit can kill.

Try not to get hit.

>>51038776
14 AC at level 1 as an arcanist without buffs is pretty good.

Overall you should be more worried about putting things inbetween you and the enemy rather than pumping your AC. Your AC is never going to be good.

Rogue 1 wizard 3 arcane rogue for sneak attack spells (freezing touch, scorching ray etc). For specialist wizard, possibly conjuration, teleportation, what would be good schools to disfavor?
Enchantment is a definite, as a sneaker I wanna keep illusions and and for those attacks I need evocation. Divination is a must for all mages.

What would be a chaotic version of the Godclaw?

>>51038876
Well, if you are doing it like that, your only choices are pretty much Enchantment and Necromancy

Transmutation and Abjuration are too good to give up no matter what as they contain all the utility

>spent the entire game trying to soak xp and push lanes
>still end the game with highest hero damage

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>>51038927
I hate that game too.

>>51038518

>Pathfinder
Pretty comfy, if filled with rigorous study. Being a noble Half-Elf child (from two Half-Elf parents) in a minor Elf Kingdom, he was privileged to enjoy comfort and good-health in a well-kept Family villa near the capital.

He and his father spent a week together every fall visiting his father's fully-human half-siblings and his cousins in the small human town where he grew up. There, they would help with the harvest and enjoy the annual festival.

As he got older, his was educated in the various pursuits that are expected of a man-at-court. Etiquette, swordplay, magic, and various other things a young nobleman should know.
He was trained in these things by his venerable Great-Grandfather, former King of their nation, and head of the family. Having abdicated the throne to his eldest son, he retired to a comfy life amongst his half-human descendants, teaching the eldest of the youngest generation (my character) his most jealously guarded magical secrets, and the importance of helping people.

Why are people posting in here when >>51030058 isn't even autosaging yet?

>>51038976
I'm Chaotic Neutral, I don't play by the rules

>>51038905
I would have loved to rely on blindness / deafness for flat footed enemies but I guess abjuration is too good.

>>51038894
Well Godclaw is Iomedae, Irori, Abadar, Asmodeus, and Torag. Two LG, two LN, one LE. Let's see the flipside. Two CG, that should be Cayden and Desna, two CN, that's Gorum and Calistria, and one CE, which could either be Rovagug or Lamashtu, with the other in the same position as Zon-Kuthon for the real Godclaw, as in they have a heretic cult claiming that they're the sixth finger.

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>>51038626
Devoted Muse, as requested, a bit late.

>>51039045
So it would be ferocious, vengeful movement about traveling Avistan and freeing people from the grasp of lawful order by the sword?

>>51039064
Thank you kindly, senpai.

>>51039071
It's also about going with your gut, and in general wrecking shit. Upon reflection I'd say Rovagug is the better parallel to Asmodeus, so our final lineup is Calistria, Cayden Cailean, Desna, Gorum, and Rovagug. Actually opposes really well. Asmodeus and Rovagug are known sworn enemies, Calistria and Torag are representatives of different races with opposite philosophies, Iomedae and Cayden are both Starstone ascended deities, but with very different stories, Gorum and Irori are both incredible warriors, though one espouses passion and the other discipline, and Desna is the goddess of the open road, as opposed to Abadar being the god of cities.

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Making a Power Attack/Cornugon Smash inquisitor, but I'd rather not gimp myself. Should I take Weapon Focus for a flat +1 to all hit rolls with my Greatsword, or should I just go for Furious Focus for no penalty on my first power attack?

Feat Tax rules are in effect, if it matters.

>>51038518
Slave brand, repressed memories, and lots of aimless wandering.

>>51039156
Does he remember that
not men
not women
not beasts
but sword he can trust?

>>51039172
What he should remember is that steel isn't strong, flesssshh is stronger.

>>51039155
Depends, how long do you think the game's going to go on for?
If it's a short term game, go for furious focus. Make sure at least one hit goes through. Longer term, I'd consider weapon focus (if it upgrades), or consider retraining.

>>51039172
>>51039172
He doesn't wield a sword in the traditional sense, and has hedonist drawback, but pretty much.

>>51039228
We're currently level two, and the DM plans to take it to around level thirteen to fourteen. Can you explain your reasoning for furious focus over weapon focus early/weapon focus late so that I understand?

>>51039155
From level 1-5 Furious Focus is +1 to your only attack, as is Weapon Focus.
From level 6-7 Furious Focus is +2 to your only attack, while Weapon Focus is +1.
From level 8-10 Furious Focus is +2 to your first attack, while Weapon Focus is +1 to your first and second attacks.
From level 11-14 Furious Focus is +3 to your first attack, while Weapon Focus is +1 to your first and second attacks.
At level 15 Furious Focus is +3 to your first attack, while Weapon Focus is +1 to your first, second, and third attacks.
From level 16-20 Furious Focus is +4 to your first attack, while Weapon Focus is +1 to your first, second, and third attacks.

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Would it be a good idea for a Gulch Gunner to dip into Swashbuckler for Dodging Panache? Maybe go Mysterious Stranger so CHA matters and Picaroon for at least 3 to get Quick Clear back?

>>51039263
Oh, and forgot the potential implications.
1-5 they're exactly equal.
6-7 Furious Focus is always better.
8-10 Weapon Focus catches up, and potentially surpasses Furious Focus.
11-14 is Furious Focus's chance to catch up.
15 Weapon Focus catches up again.
16-20 both are at their peak.
As you can see, from 1-7 Furious Focus is the better choice. After that it becomes more complicated.

There is something I am questioning here. Is there any reason why Orc bloodline's damage bonus for blasting gets to be unconditional compared to Draconic or Elemental anyway?

>>>51039263
>>51039263
Thanks for your help!

>>51039453
What are the feat tax rules? Does either furious focus or weapon focus net you any more stuff afterwards for free?

That'd also be important in the calcs.

>>51039263
>>51039453
Don't forget, that power attacking will make hitting with iteratives really really hard. Weapon focus will barely mitigate that on its own.

Furious focus will allow you to hit high AC much more reliably, even at higher levels. Weapon focus will not help much.

>>51039440
Light Sensitivity until level 9, Touch of Rage and Strength of the Beast suck. Claws aren't great either, but they don't take a standard action to use.

>>51038927

A lot of people seem to have that revelation at one point or another.

>>51039472
I'll quote here from the site our group found Feat Tax on.


'Martial Mastery is:

Gone. Combat feats like Weapon Focus now apply to weapon groups instead of a specific weapon by default.

Pathfinder frequently forces a player to invest heavily in a single weapon. For instance, two-weapon fighting rogues are stuck with mirrored weapons so their Weapon Finesse and Weapon Focus benefits apply to both their attacks. Expanding these feats to cover the weapon groups mentioned under the fighter’s Weapon Training would make things much more flexible. We might finally see a samurai wielding a daisho.'
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So, Weapon Focus won't just apply to my greatsword, it'll apply to other weapons, too. No other rules mention it.

>>51039606
You think that if Weapon Focus is treated that way, something like Slashing Grace would still restrict you to a single weapon?

I took it over Deadly Agility 'cause I'm playing a panache-focused character, and I'm wondering if I'll need to retrain if/when I want to use a different weapon.

>>51039661
I would think so, flavour-wise. If in doubt, I'd say ask your DM.

>>51039606
Well in that case it comes down to if you want to have more consistent damage and intimidate rolls or potentially more damage and more chances at the intimidate assuming you have ways to over come the 3/4 BAB progression through inquisitorial means.

>>51039606
In that case, there's no real benefit if you're not using multiple weapon types.

If you're going up against lots of high AC targets, Furious Focus will allow you to hit with the first but not the iteratives.

If you're going up against lower AC targets, weapon focus will help you hit more often.

Why is this thread so quiet today? Is everybody just holding their breath for the Molthune char selections?

>>51040270
Lack of shitposting is slowing things down.

>>51040270
Waiting with bated breath to watch IDrive get BTFO and shot down like the furry faggot he is, yep.

>>51040283
> Lack of shitposting
> OP was a shitpost
LEL

>As a blaster, I generally want to specialize in AoEs
>Realize only a bit later that most of the players play melee characters with absurd init

Fuck

>>51040296
So who are the players we're most looking forward to seeing crushed by not being picked?

>>51040296
I'm waiting for DHB to get rejected. Sad DHB is a wonder.

>>51040318
2hu and DHB, obviously.

>>51040335
All DHB is sad DHB.

Sorry, >>51040339 was supposed to be a reply to >>51040320

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>>51040270
You're right, we should keep talking about things

Who's the cutest new character added to any of /pfg/'s games lately? Post what you want characters dressed up in for maximum cuteness.

Molthune gm moves to dnd5. Comfy knights are cancelled

>>51040320
I'm looking forward to my own rejection!

>>51040319
Actually, is there a right option when it comes to which form of blasting is generally better?

For me, I intended to go AoE but then I realize that since my player group has a penchant for melee builds, this complicates issues alot

>>51040320
>Implying I'll ever get in with my 0.002% memeability rating
>Implying anyone ever pays attention to something that isn't some furry deathtrap or the latest target of some witchhunt

Hope is an illusion.

>>51040406
>Who's the cutest new character added to any of /pfg/'s games lately?
I think the character art for the Galt girl in the Molthune game is pretty cute. I also like the idea of a doting grandmother coming along for the ride to make sure she stays sufficiently Galtian sounds really comfy. Sort of like the dowager countess from Downton Abbey.

>>51038817
Isn't Greater Detect Magic basically an equivalent of magic fingerprinting and other forerensics? That would make it pretty mandatory for stealthy, city-based game.

>>51040411
Moving to 5E would be for the better.

>>51040416
We're on the same boat! I probably won't have time to play anyway.

>>51040411
Anon moves to dicks
Heterosexuality cancelled

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>>51040545

You'll never get married with that attitude, anon!

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>>51040547
>Sort of like the dowager countess from Downton Abbey.
> Dame Maggie Smith
> not!French aristocrat
> MFW

>>51040591
When the alternative is being a foxperson who's so insecure in their masculinity despite not even developing such features yet that they decide to dress in the opposite gender, I would prefer my crushing pessimism

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Hey all, N. Jolly here and I'm about to be updating the playtest with all the missing content. Also the playtest is going to last 5 weeks instead of 4 due to how everything's shaken out.

What Golarion ethnicity/Language is closest to Italian?

>>51040674
Chelish

>>51040569
Heist GM here. Yes, it'd be a technique used in investigations, but it has some major drawbacks, in that you need one of the party members to cast the spell, a certain level spellcaster to use it greater detect magic, it has a limited area that it can search, the investigator needs to beat a Knowledge (Arcana) check to identify it, then that same series of events has to happen in another crime scene, with the same investigator, with a necessary Spellcraft to link the two. It's not like fingerprinting, where you can take a print, and then any officer can look it up. Yes, it will be something to take into account, but greater detect magic would be more likely to be used to track down, for example, serial magical arsonists.

>>51040545
Only way to up your meme status and have a better chance is to bring up characters you think are great

So what characters has /pfg/ totally missed that are awesome? I like the cute Aasimar gypsy myself.

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>>51040693
The one that the player described as 2qt3.14?

What are some fun, thematic options for gestalt, assuming that T1 and 2 are banned? I was thinking about an antipaladin/dread necro for being Very Evil. Mixing 3.5 and PF is fine, most third party should also be good.

>>51038518
Hey /pfg/ is there anyway to make a one handed+shield build worth it? I know that bashing is a necessity but I believe to be a bit MAD.

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>>51040640

Oh, don't be such a sourpuss, sourpuss. Just make characters that make you happy, and be happy that you make characters that make you happy.

In case fluffy participants missed it last thread, the fluffy first world campaign GM wants ideas on what you like in a fantasy fairyland!
Look at the campaign book link here for details!
CAMPAIGN SETTING - The First World Realm of the Fey
http://archive.4plebs.org/dl/tg/image/1482/07/1482078475977.pdf

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>>51040705
Naw, the one with a horse. Horses make everything better.

On the note of that one, though, I find it funny how many Kaijitsu there are compared to other backgrounds. Did anyone get a count of how many orphan children there are compared to long-lost younger siblings, survival enthusiasts, or shy wannabe lovers?

>>51040681
Most of these aren't really drawbacks. It's just "you need to have the right man in the right place" which is necessary for resolving most problems. Knowledges and Spellcraft can also be optimized pretty easily, PF is infamous for how cheesy its skill system is.

Also, Greater Detect Magic is very much like taking fingerprints. First you analyze the signature and then you can compare it to everything you find later, including spells people you meet have on themselves. You do not have database to fall back on (unless it's a high-magic setting where you do) but that's still very useful. Unless GDM allows you to take signatures only for one spell at a time so if you analyze someone's Summon Monster you won't be able to recognize him later for his Mage Armor. Still, canny investigator would devise some kind of situation where casting that one spell would be necessary and then put the suspect in it.

>>51040776
The trap with the horse is a human, not an aasimar.

>>51040662
Excellent! Can't wait to see the update.

>>51040727
Investigator/Vigilante is great

>>51040798
"You need to have the right man in the right place," is a drawback, and a database is what makes forensic science work. A database means that any investigator can compare evidence from any crime scene to that from another crime scene. Since Greater Detect Magic doesn't allow for sharing information between two spellcasters you need every investigator to analyze every crime scene individually, an effort that would be so taxing that it would only be possible to handle a handful of crimes for a short period of time, after which they would have to be dropped. The solution is to have one investigator assigned to every crime with a similar MO, but that leaves the significant weakness that if the PCs are clever they can switch up how they pull off a crime, making it significantly harder for them to be tracked.

Again, I'm not saying it's not something that they should consider, I'm saying that it's not something that's unavoidable, or even consistently a major threat to their operation.

>>51040814
Oh hey, you're right. My bad.
>Human trap has greenish-white hair and ethereal looks
>Aasimar trap has black hair and seems to be covered in material goods

I don't know what's real anymore

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>>51040852
And it's up, the playtest is finally in its complete form. Here's hoping you all like bugs.

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Anyone played a Dune Drifter before? How are they

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>>51040814
>>51040873
I object to the deeming of Seht as a trap. Waif, possibly, but he's just short, not feminine.

>>51040867
It does seem that it'd be an issue with the style of singular Detective leaders who dog the players, in the style of Zenigata or literally any heist movie. Lots of shows would have a 'head investigator' who was clever, overworked, and the thrust of the show/story would be keeping a step ahead of them. Hell, the french Lupin novels had Holmlock, too, so it's officially a classic.

That being said you're totally right, and Greater Detect Magic or not it won't really affect whether or not said recurring NPC is in the right place at the right time.

>>51040923
Terrible.

>>51040986
>>51040867
The Share Memory spell does help a fair bit for keeping more data around. It's level 2 spell, but that's not an impossible thing to use in a high stakes investigation.

>>51041026
Been wondering something about the dune drifter--it says that you can wear something that counts as your banner.

Does this imply that you can only have a banner that's a big flag on a stick? Because that makes Daring Champion a whole lot worse if I can't just have a flashy tabard or long, prominent cape.

>>51040923
>dune drifter
>gets a gun
>can't use it with the standard melee challenge
>can't replace challenge with luring cavalier ranged challenge
Terrible. You lose out on a mount, and lose out on challenge, and those are half the things you need to begin with to be even halfway viable.

If you must take a gunnery cavalier, take musketeer/luring cavalier.

>>51040867
Greater Detect Magic requires 3rd level Wizard or Cleric or 4th level inquisitor. It's not exactly much and every bigger city should have few ot those in most high-magic settings. If you are investigating a crime where magic was involved then getting magical signatures should be a priority because it is so useful. Especially if MO is similar.

I am not saying that GDM is some kind of universal key to resolve any and all kind of investigations, just that high-magic setting should really take it into consideration. There are reasons for why it cannot be used sometimes (optimal conditions are rarely assured) but I would say it is pretty major, as well as some divinations or conjuring ghosts to interrogate/as observers or resurrecting higher-profile victims or whatever.

>>51041058
>At 5th level, a dune drifter can choose to use his hat as his banner. If the drifter does not wear a hat, another iconic accessory—such as an eye-mask, bandana, or distinguishing coat—can instead serve as his banner.

>In all other ways, this ability functions as and replaces the banner cavalier ability.
You can wear a hat which counts as a banner.

>>51041081
To clarify--does that mean that *as any other type of Cavalier* you can only use a banner that's a big hand-held flag?

>>51041061
You don't actually lose your horse as a Dune Drifter--you just don't get anything that makes your horse work better like a normal Cavalier's cavalier's charge.

>>51041026
How so? I mean maybe on it's own, sure, but what about with a dip in Mysterious Stranger? You'd get more Grit, and you wouldn't lose out on Quick Clear thanks to Amateur Gunslinger unless you switch it for Extra Grit.

>>51041061
> You lose out on a mount
But you don't, that's just Luring Cavalier. Losing out on the challenge is valid though, but I think there was some kind of eratta for it (though that might've been PFS and thus not *really* official).

>>51041108
That's usually what a banner is.

>>51041108
That's right. You get a big pole and you shove it on your back.
>>51041125
>>51041172
My bad, I swore you lost the mount. But then, you lose all the mount abilities and charging shit in exchange for gunslinging stuff. Not exactly the best deal, in my opinion.

>>51041172
Mysterious stranger dip would work! It's even better if guns are everywhere so you can replace gunslinger with gun training 1 and get dex AND cha to damage.

Is depressed homebrewer part of DSP? He does initiating stuff, right?

>>51041360
No, and no.

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So what are the top couple of builds I could do to make a magic archer? Not used to doing hybrid magic/martial characters, and I've been playing a lot of Dragon's Dogma and Skyrim and ARR so I'm in the mood for some good old magic and arrows.

>>51041387
Did he not do this then:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKwyK10BvzqVb9M3lIJ0ZyraUNSuEr8y0QK6ML6d-6Y/edit?usp=sharing

It's in the pastebin under his stuff.

>>51040730
That really depends on what variety of shield user you want to be. Bashing is an option, but it requires Dex for TWF, though you could grab something like Upsetting Shield Style to turn bashing into more attacks on AoO. There's also using Shield Brace to wield a two-handed Polearm or Spear as a one-handed weapon. There's also a number of defensive options, such as Mobile Bulwark Style, Vanguard Style

>>51041443
Either Eldritch Archer Magus, or Fighter 1/Wizard X/Arcane Archer and abuse being able to shoot antimagic fields.The latter is obviously only recommended for high-level games.

>>51041443
Arrowsong minstrel bard or eldritch archer magus.

>>51041456
Ok, so apparently he does do SOME initiating stuff. But most of his homebrews don't involve initiating.

is there a feat that gives a familiar bond? no 3pp

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> There's a way for Gunslingers to get Grit through drinking alcohol
> It's trapped in a shitty archetype

>>51041804
Yes, but it requires 2 feats for the whole thing, and has Iron Will as a prerequisite

>>51041804
Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) will net you a familiar, but it's a bit feat-taxy.

>>51041804
Yes, the feat Familiar Bond

Alternatively, you could take Eldritch Heritage (Arcane), but it requires Skill Focus in a knowledge skill and Cha 13

>>51041837
>>51041804
The easier way is Skill Focus (Knowledge (Arcana)) -> Eldritch Heritage (Arcane).

>>51041854
Not like that's exactly a *bad* prerequisite--just a costly one.

Best to go human and take Focused Study, get the most bang for your buck.

>>51041901
the problem is the 13 cha, I have 7 cha

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>>51041901
>mfw looking at human ARTs again
>they can trade a bonus feat for a net gain of THREE Skill Focuses over their carreer
>mfw they could also trade the bonus feat for two exotic weapon proficiencies at 1st level
>mfw they could get Iron Will on top of bonuses vs incorporeal and undead creatures

why is this allowed

>>51042049
Because 90% of players are too myopic to realize that they should take an ART instead of using their human bonus feat for EWP or Skill Focus.

>>51042049
how

>>51039064
Shelyn please go.

>>51042049
Because there are better uses for the bonus feat than any of those. Getting the jump on a feat chain you need to take is far better than 3x Skill Focus.

>>51042126
>>51042173
Most builds that need an exotic weapon or skill focus really only ever need ONE exotic weapon or skill focus, so a half-elf would probably be a straight upgrade, but it's still jarring. For some niche PoW builds, three skill focuses would actually be a pretty sweet deal. Especially if you're shooting to get Orator.

>>51042130
>Focused Study for a skill focus feat at 1st, 8th, and 16th level
>Military Traditions for two exotic weapon proficiencies appropriate to your culture
>Shadowhunter for a bunch of admittedly shitty bonuses only useful to low level characters, but you get Iron Will too

Doing more design for the Eastern European Folklore races.

Right now the list includes:
>Humans
>Vodyanoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodyanoy
>Borovoi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leshy
>Rusalka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusalka
>Domovoi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domovoi
>Kikimora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikimora

I've been doing a lot of construction for a custom setting as well, organizing my thoughts on the matter.

Now, am I missing any classic russian folklore creatures that can be roughly translated to hominids? I do not believe so, at least not ones that are easily translatable.

Hey /pfg/

I'm playing Pathfinder in my first campaign (second character) and I'd really like to play a Shaman.

I've been told Healing/Debuffing is a good way to go with them but, how do I do that effectively?

Starting at lvl 3 btw

>>51042215
Shadowhunter is, if you ever are going to take Iron Will a straight upgrade to just Iron Will.

Humans overall are one of the strongest races period. Other races can be stronger in their specialization, using alternate race traits, but they have a hard time comparing to humans.

>>51042173
But if you're planning on taking Skill Focus for any reason in your build, you might as well take it at level 1 and also get two free feats out of it.

>>51042302
>>51042298
This as well. If your build includes Eldritch Heritage (which almost every build can make use of Eldritch Heritage) then it's two free feats.

Or for Skill Focus (Stealth), which comes up in many builds for Damped Presence.

Skill Focus (Linguistics) is also a common one, and comes up in 3 feats I believe as prerequisites.

Ever set up players again an obviously superior foe, give the players every chance to turn back/escape, demonstrate the foe's superiority and willingness to let them go, and have players continue to bash their heads against the problem until they die?

This is now the second time this has happened, with the same fucking encounter. Two groups have ended up having at least half the party die to the guy.

>>51042415

In my experience, if you want your players to realize "this thing is bad news, and it will kill you", you need to make it very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear from the outset.

>>51042415
Have you tried hanging a picture of a skull over the foe's head?

>>51042475
Things were clear, I have no idea how I could make it clearer to them. At the point the guy is killing enemies several CR above the party in passing, is feared by half the continent, and the land where he steps begins to wilt and die. Also the fact being near him forces will saves against sickened due to the fact simply being near him fucks with your mind/body.

>>51042415
GMs who do that usually make it obvious. Like one GM who allowed us to basically automatically stabilize would occasionally say "You won't gain that benefit for this encounter" as a warning that this wasn't something we could fuck around with (dragons and a certain pit fiend were a good example of that).

Oddly enough, the most obvious time that it happened--during babby's first campaign back in high school--the GM kept talking shit about "this is specifically designed to kill all of you" and...well, we ended up just taking it apart. Working theory is he got cold feet at the last second realizing that his story would end if he killed us all.

After doing some shit, I can say that Lazy Princess will have an actual game posted this weekend with chargen rules and then be open for applications.

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>>51042415
>players have been kidnapped by a homebrewed wendigo (less no-leg deer creatue, more cannibalistic supernatural being like Until Dawn)
> the are being "stored" in an old cave for further consumption later on.
> the npc companion is the first to be eaten
> describe how vicious, brutal and superior the wendigo is.
>It simply ignores the NPC's attempts to break free from it, despite the NPC stabbing it in the gut with a splintered bone.
> Players escape later one.
> For some reason decide to cast light while traveling through the cave system.
> When they are spotted, instead of running away from the shambling horror and hiding in one of the many obvious hiding spots I've placed throughout the level they decide to fight it.
>fight the creature that ignored being stabbed in the gut
>fight it with a broken pickaxe, rocks and no armor or spell components.
>have to pull some serious dm fiat not to outright kill all of them.
> the party's skill monkey didn't even try to identify it in the first place.

I've never been so sure of the absolute incompetence of my players.

I sort of want to play a gelatinous cube from April Augmented.

Onryou is best Kaijitsu

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>>51042764
I certainly don't blame you!

>>51042751
>have to pull some serious dm fiat not to outright kill all of them.
This is your problem. If you baby them, they will continue to think they can surmount any challenge.

>>51042788
>Level 5 oneshot
>Gelatinous Cube 4/Warlord 1
>Dex 2
>Move speed 60, +22 to acro, +21 stealth with Hide in Plain Sight, and ghostwalk

I was the ninjacube.
My combat damage ability was so bad though

>>51042781
No one is disputing that>>51042781

>>51042879
I like both.

I like fighting monsters, and I also like big fox-girl tits.

>>51042879
Hey, at least it's more fun now. The classes actually have options to make them not core monk, or core fighter, or core rogue.

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>>51042781
That's a weird way to spell Shizuka.

>>51042925
>I don't want to be here. What am I doing with my life.

>>51042925
That's a weird way to spell kanela

>>51042879
L-lewd

>>51042883
Tell me how to get away with this in a real game.

>>51042840
I usually don't hesitate with punishing them for stupidity, but for story reasons I couldn't just wipe them there or I'd have needed to completely scrap and/or rework the plot.

>>51042781
>>51042890
>>51042925

The sisters must be together! Together! ! They have that "loud sibling/ quiet sibling" dynamic that I love

>>51040889
Still not decided on the Onslaught yet?
I saw 'name' was even in there...

Well I think what needed to be said mechanically mostly has, but that does leave the two things:
the "sniper" part, and the targeted strike penalties, right?

I kinda like the imagery of 'sharpshooting' with a barrage; it's sorta like you're just pulling out a pair of TEC-9s and if anyone asks "don't worry the bullets are homing anyways"

how to portray precision-fire though mechanically.... what would be both flavorful and fun?

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>>51042925
>>51042781
>>51043046
>really want to be there to watch this dynamic in action
>my schedule has been so fucked up lately that, even if I get in, I might have to pass so I don't ruin it for everyone else
>mfw there's a good chance that they might not even get in together

>>51042572
Sounds good. I will enjoy greatly working for a blueblood.

You know what the perfect class for such a thing is?

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/investigator/archetypes/paizo---investigator-archetypes/majordomo-investigator-archetype
The Majordomo is literally designed to handle paperwork. Which the nobility will have a lot of.

Other things I am considering are:
>Castelan Cavalier
>Court Bard
>Teisatsu Vigilante

>>51043098
I don't want any of them to get in. I just want those players to get together and write up a greentext version of their many adventures without being hamstrung by the game or its objectives.

Who else here liked giving their BBEGs powers with cool names? Or give them cool titles.

It seems like players shit all over them though. I can't find players who are ever anything but snarky, sarcastic, or similar. Even when their characters get hurt they don't feel fear, they just get pissy and withdraw from the game.

>>51042925
I love that picture and I also think that's part of my sympathy for her.

>>51042415
Very often what a GM believes to be clear clues are either murky, or worse yet may suggest the opposite.

This is in addition to all the times where "you're pretty sure you'd all die" turned out to be a cakewalk.

And isn't even counting the chances of someone attempting to bluff their power-level such as by, say, ROLLING INTIMIDATE.

Furthermore, there's the big problem of d20 progression: If it would TPK you, you PROBABLY ALSO CAN'T HIDE FROM IT OR RUN FROM IT EITHER. Senses (perception but also vision modes,etc) go up with CR/Level/Etc, and movement speeds and modes often do as well. If it can outfight all five of you put together, it probably also A) knows you're there, and B) has the mobility and initiative advantage over at least most of the party.

If most of the party runs away, whoever's left is likely utterly fucked. If it's that overwhelming, they've doomed themselves to wasting their actions while their predator fucking pounces them or something. Turn 1 was lost, and probably so was the biggest threat to the enemy.

By standing their ground, they retain their action economy advantage, and have a chance of criticals and the like getting through its defenses to dissuade or even murder it.

It's the difference between deciding, say, 80% chance of death with 20% chance of escape at high cost and no gains, versus 10% chance of win, 20% chance of win at the same high cost as escaping would have but with gains (levels/loot), and 70% chance of death.

>we'll go with the one where we're less likely to fucking die
the next day
>despite all the warnings I kept giving them, the party all died.

Also, final warning if you don't want them to hunt you the fuck down: Do NOT rocks-fall this shit. If a character is overwhelmingly more powerful than they, you better follow the fucking rules. Do NOT handwave and "cinematics" shit to "punish" them. That is to say: don't cheat.

What's the next meme game on the horizon? DHB seems to be gearing up for one, but it looks weird.

>>51043183

Who are the RotJR characters with the best, most fitting artwork?

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/pfg/, how would you broach the subject to a busy GM about wanting to do some extra roleplaying outside of the usual session time?

We've been hurtling through Legacy of Fire at a breakneck pace and I'm really feeling like I need some time to do some things that make my Paladin feel like more than a stat-block--visit a shrine to consult with the priests, maybe court someone he's been eyeing.

>>51043223
Either DHB's revolution game or the heist game.

>>51043235
>>51043235

Actually, its Onryou. Her art was literally made for her

>>51043271
Weren't there several characters like that, though?

>>51043252

>Hey, [DM], I've been thinking about my character and I really think it'd be great if we visited a shrine or something. You know, something to give him more development! I know you're busy, but is there a time you'd be available to do this? We could do PMs if it makes it easier for you!

>>51043211
What happened was:
>level 15 enemy Dread Ghoul Tyrant Antipaladin
>level 5 party
The anti-paladin wanted to let people go to spread word of terror, disease, etc.

What the players knew of him that he was a madman and a warlord that has burned his way through several large cities on his way to where the party was. The party was told to get out of there and head to the capital to seek help. The party decided to stay instead. I thought that was fine.

When the siege set in the baron offered to set the party with a team of his best to make a break for the capital. The party refused.

When the keep was overrun and the party defeated the antipaladin made them watch him string up the baron. Called them outsiders to the conflict, and good messangers. He let them go and told them to spread word of his coming. The first fucking thing a party member tried to do was stab the anti-paladin.

This was after several demonstrations of his power and being accompanied by a massive fiendish dire bear. Some of the ways were killing the Baron's best (who the party knew were stronger than them), wading into the keep singlehandedly, and a bunch of other bullshit.

Oh and also killing most of the city's population by just being near them because the guy was literally full of plague.

>>51043285
Just Onryo.

>>51043285

Not really, Shizuka was a recolor but that's about it.

Onryou's depicted torso-sized tits are 100% canon.

>>51043332
I think a decent way to resolve that without him killing them would be for him to just take the stab.

They throw their best attacks at him, he takes them (just don't mark down the hp if they would actually kill him), and mocks their attempts--maybe a good old "you've got spirit" sort of backhanded praise at best--before he just turns his back on them and pimps out.

That's how you can establish "this guy is beyond you" without ending your game.

>>51043235

isn't the centaur's artwork canon massively Horsecocked futa soldier centaur?

>>51042764
They make great Kineticists if you focus on melee, or if you're an Avant Guard (since your accuracy doesn't matter much with a Magnum Opus doing all the damage).

>>51043391
I think someone else took their art from a super obscure Alicesoft game and another guy is Wilfred from Covenant of the Plume.

>>51043391

Yes, but the character as far as I'm aware does not have that special enhancement.

All the characters have descriptions built around the art, Onryou is the only one whose description came first.

>>51043368
>>51043370
I could have sworn there was at least one or two other people who got their character art done out of the drawthread

>>51043384
What he did was kill the person who stabbed him and told the rest to spread word of that act as well. The rest of the party KEPT GOING.

>>51043211
>Do NOT rocks-fall this shit. If a character is overwhelmingly more powerful than they, you better follow the fucking rules. Do NOT handwave and "cinematics" shit to "punish" them. That is to say: don't cheat.

This smells of someone who made an overpowered character, and then got angry that the GM wasn't buying their bullshit.

>>51043418
>>51043418
No, Onryo was just that Oni from Muramasa. Then she got Drawthread love.

>>51043467
If it frustrates you so much to kill your group's characters, why do you kill your group's characters?

>>51043410
It's an IDrive character, he's probably lying in order to sneak his furry fetishes into the game.

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>>51043418
>>51043506
There was one other, actually.

I got too busy to go ask the original artist if he was gonna go any further, unfortunately

>>51043508
What frustrates me is people blindly beating their head against a problem and expecting it to get solved when literally everyone and everything says "stop doing that". It reeks of the sort of "fuck you ron, you're not my real dad" attitude of anti-authority of any kind players.

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>>51043406
Yeah, I'm actually thinking maybe I should change that. The problem is there's nothing I've found that fits "youngish blond man in light armor" that both fits well and isn't too anime.

The exceptions that I'm considering have basically been Guybrush Threepwood fanart, some art of genderswapped Saber, and pic related.

>>51043506

Who are the top three RotJR characters you think would look really cool if they got quality drawthread love or commissioned?

I'm about to run my first Pathfinder Campaign this weekend, Rise of the Runelords (Anniversary Edition), does anyone have any advice relating to the campaign, or Gming for Pathfinder in general? Any useful resources? I've run 5e and a few other systems, and played in Pathfinder, but this will be my first attempt at running a Pathfinder Campaign.

>>51043558
Who would you commission though? Dorian?

>there are now multiple kitsune healslut applications

>>51043576
d20pfsrd.com has everything you need for rules, monster stats, and basically anything but story elements. Rely on it heavily.

>>51043584

There's plenty of quality artists on Deviant-Art, you need only look for them!

>>51043584
DeviantArt, tumblr, some random furry site if you are going risky and want a kitsune.

Really, the places you are told to avoid are now your savior.

>>51043584

Weremole

>>51043498
more like "okay uh she waves her hand, and all of you can't move, as she takes the <macguffin> and teleports away".

No saves, no counters, no timer, no rules, no nothing.

>>51043584

Nesoun and Kumi-Pumi.

>>51043584
Everyone by Jaeh.

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>>51043588
>final party is chosen
>it's all healsluts

>>51043588
>>51043897
>4 white mages
pfffft, c'mon now, that would never work!

>>51043720
How do you know? He might have prerolled your will saves on a mass hold person.

>>51043922
Never underestimate the mutual medic healing circlejerk

>>51043897
TO THE WINDOWS

>>51043956
https://youtu.be/ALK73aKvhm4

>>51043956
Thanks anon, now I need to relisten to the Duane&Brando Final Fantasy song

>>51043584
Yeah, I'd commission Dorian for it.

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>mfw I'm waiting for Molthune Knights characters to be selected
When will the suffering end?

>>51043922
>They all take smite spells
>They take turns mass healing as the others smite
It'd work

>>51044099
The trick is that the final boss takes damage from healing spells.

>>51044093

We all know who's getting in.

Nobody, the game won't be run.

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>>51044093
We'll always have the twins, anon.

>>51044126

This

>>51044093
Do we know when they're supposed to be announced?

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>>51044149
Today, that's all I know, at least.

>>51044147
>>51044126
Stop, don't do this!

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>>51043922
Never underestimate men of the cloth in fucking ttrpgs.

>>51044149

Next week. Game runs a week after. There is still time to get more apps in!

>>51044189
This is a pretty sweet way to recruit people into your cult.

>>51043935
>implying he rolled
Yeah.

Including against the guy with TBA who wasn't allowed to pop it, and against the guy immune to paralysis and sleep.

>>51044189
That pic looks like those are Mormon Missionaries, not JWs, which makes sense considering Mormons freakin love their Church Basketall

>>51044224
And also JW's know that having fun is a sin.

>>51044224

Can attest to this. Every church has a gym with a basketball hoop

>>51044221
TBA is the biggest bullshit though

Bypassing paralysis immunity is dodgy as fuck, on the other hand.

>>51044218
Wholesome Religion is a good way to inoculate people against mind virii like dangerous cults, though. Think of going to church as a vaccine - it's not what you want to do, but it's a good way to keep people from drinking the kool-aid. And, like vaccines, they work best when the community has herd immunity.

>>51044224
>>51044303

Mormons take basketball stupidly fucking seriously.

>>51044221
TBA?

>>51044358
>>51044366

Mormons are pretty great, they're very friendly people!

>>51043418
Thought that it was only eagle's characters.

The lucky bastard

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>>51044358
I want to argue against you, but this isn't the place for theological debate so I'll just post animu instead.

>>51044511
/tg/ in a nutshell

>>51044366
Also volleyball
and Boy Scouts
and if you tell one you need helping packing up and moving, you can expect a flock of Mormons to fly in and help pack up the van for you, and then eat a whole lot of potato salad afterwards.

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>>51044511

>>51044511

I'm beginning to think our aversion to discuss theology and religion is why we can't have cool pantheons.

Okay, so, I'm thinking Golem Armor. You think it could be done?

>>51044586
Discussions of modern religion don't really apply to worlds where gods are sky wizards.

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Question time /pfg/

What kind of feats/items are needed to pump a single spell up to obscene levels? First party only.

I've got a level 5 Half-Elf Arcanist to work with and currently focused on Fireball.

Feat / trait list so far
Magical Lineage: Fireball
Elven Reflexes
Improved Initiative
Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell Specialization: Fireball

Can't afford metamagic yet, though burning arcane reservoir points this gives me a 9d6 fireball DC19 at level 5.

In future I'll be looking for a Blazing Robe and I'll be keeping an eye on Empower Spell, Maximize Spell and Intensify Spell.

Anything else I should watch for?

>>51044574

>Red on black, friend of Jack
>Red on Yellow, kill a fellow

more like a black widow than a snake lady, I think.

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>>51042572
I want to protect her smile!

>>51044391
Nah, I've lived around mormons for most of my life. They're a bunch of secret bastards.

>>51044616
Well she is a medusa.

>>51044377
Temporal Body Adjustment, which can completely negate any kind of disabling effect short of the "death" condition.

>>51038518
He traveled around the Darkmoon Vale and the Carpenden Plain in rural Andoran, with his adoptive father, a traveling trader.

>>51039045
Sounds fucking psychotic

>>51044611

Depends on the setting, theological debate is right at home in a place like Eberron.

>>51044628

>come on over, we will show you everything
>secret

Wut. If anything they have issues with personal space

>>51039134
Lawful a Best, Chaos a shit

>>51044703
No, they are secretly bastards. Not bastards about secrets.

>>51044625
She needs you to go get rid of that big, ugly cyclops that's been bothering a village.

>>51044628
>They're a bunch of secret bastards.
The inactive son of the bishop who hides how much of a dick he is does not a Mormon make

>>51044728
>No, they are secretly bastards.
Perhaps the same could be said of most people in a religion.
Unless you're talking about Utah Factory Mormons, then yeah, those guys are dicks, and not even other Mormons care much to be around them most of the time

>>51044713
Neutral Good is objectively the best alignment.

>>51044811
I personally prefer Axiomatic Exalted.

>>51044599
No good? Okay.

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>>51040681
This isn't how Greater Detect Magic works.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/detect-magic

This spell functions as detect magic, except that you can glean much more information from the magical auras that you find, and those auras can be found after a much greater length of time. You can detect a lingering aura for up to 1 day per caster level you have, regardless of the aura's original strength.

Additionally, when you use a standard action to concentrate on this spell, you can also study a creature within the spell's area and attempt a Spellcraft check in order to determine the last spell that the creature cast by identifying lingering traces that the spell left in the caster's aura. The DC to identify the spell is equal to 20 + the creature's caster level.

Finally, you are able to locate and analyze the signature flourishes in a magical aura that allow you to match a spell to the person who cast it. In order to find these identifiers in a spell's aura, you must spend 1 round focusing on that spell in particular, and succeed at an opposed Knowledge (arcana) check against the caster (or a Knowledge [arcana] check with a DC equal to 15 + the spell level if the caster wants her work to be identified and emphasizes these unique elements rather than obscuring them). Once you learn a caster's set of identifiers, you can remember them as easily as a face or a voice. You can recognize this signature if you succeed at a Spellcraft check when later identifying a spell to determine whether or not that spell was cast by the same individual. The spell greater magic aura can obfuscate this information, making it seem that someone else cast the spell. Greater detect magic grants a saving throw against magic aura (but not greater magic aura).

>>51044833
You've just quoted the spell at me, not described how that contradicts what I said in any way.

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>>51044833
>>51044875
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/share-memory

Boom, now they can share notes and have a database.

>>51040674
Taldan

>>51044879
YOU'RE A LOOSE FIREBALL WAND, MCLANE!

YOU'RE OFF THE CASE!

HAND IN YOUR STAFF AND YOUR MEMORY BEFORE YOU GO!

>>51044833
I don't think that's his problem. I think the problem is that's ONE PERSON in the city who has that information.

He can't describe what the spell 'feels' like to someone else, he can describe the modifiers or some of the details but they don't get the Spellcraft check to recognize the person's spell aura, only the person who cast the spell.

So if there's a second crime scene, that same spellcaster has to come to the same next crime scene and cast at least detect magic, probably the Greater version again assuming they're long gone, in order to recognize that the signature is the same. Then those two crimes can be connected.

But what happens if there's a lot of crimes and the police forces are as well-worked as, say, our police forces, which are characteristically larger and better-funded than the anachronisms that'd be in play there? That is a LOT of assumptions, that the same magical police officer is going to go to the same crimescenes and then is going to catch the one suspect and see him casting a spell in order to catch this person. It's impossible to make a national DB, and in court, it's going to rely on this police officer's character that he's correctly identified this magical signature in front of a bunch of people who don't cast magic and don't know what that is.

There's a lot of ifs, so the idea is that Greater Detect Magic isn't the be-all end-all crime fighting weapon that'll wind up making Heists impossible in a fantasy setting - That's all that's being said here.

>>51041108
Yeah, but you're allowed to put it on your lance Or polearm like a champ

>>51044615
Might be interesting for you to do a single level crossblooded sorcerer draconic+orc bloodline dip. You'd loose out on a level, but your fireball would do +2 damage per die rolled. Which is like a 80% damage increase.

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>tfw you will never work at a perfumery in Caliphas
>tfw you will never return home with samples to share with your loving Changeling wife
>tfw you won't get to watch as your daughter gets flustered and nervous trying to work up the courage to ask that boy she likes to the Crystalhue Dance

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>>51044973
>Caliphas
Have fun getting mugged by the local gang of zombie thugs.

>>51044833
need more good velouria art

>>51044926
>He can't describe what the spell 'feels' like to someone else
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/share-memory

>>51045009
Woah now, who's going to have access to second level spells?

>>51044999
Rural Caliphas (county, not city) is supposed to be really comfy though

>>51044959
57% damage increase actually. 1AM Math is hard.

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Okay, I'm looking around but not really seeing something on the subject. Would there be any problem making a golem/construct out of say a sheet of paper?

My idea being, cast a Fire Rune on a sheet of paper, turn it into something that can move. Make 20 of these, have them swarm a monster, then try and dispel the runes for fun.

Maybe there's a easier way to blow shit up, but I kind of want to focus on golems/constructs. And explosions.

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>>51043271
Awinita too but she's not canon any more. Granted she's also technically a recolor too

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>>51045002
>>51045029
Any level 3 wizard or witch can have BOTH Greater Detect Magic and Share Memory.

>>51045100
No, that's munchkinry. Why would any detective take those when they could take fun flavorful spells instead like web and create pit.

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>>51045002
We all do. Also the Legendary Kineticist II update is live, so let me know what you think.

>>51045124

Selkie's a sweetie!

>>51045073
Animate Object is your friend

>>51045029
Anyone who's going to be casting Greater Detect Magic
>>51045009
Let's consider the size of the police force. Modern day civil law enforcement agencies in large cities have around 50 employees per 10,000 people. In Sharn, a city of around 200,000, this means 1,000 employees. If we're generous, 1,500. I'm not sure how the distribution plays out, but I'm guessing this doesn't actually leave us with too many 3rd level wizards and witches.

>>51045100
And how many times can they cast them per day? Remember, each identified spell is a casting of Share Memory in order to give it to our 'database,' which would make sense as a dedicated caster. Is there going to be one person whose job is entirely to cast Share Memory and absorb the spell data from every Greater Detect Magic user? What happens if they're killed? Now all of that spell information is spread out again.

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>>51045073

>>51045215
>The Blackened Book is a branch of the Sharn Watch, consisting of countermages who are trained to monitor and dispel magical energy. The mages of the Book may be called in to use detect magic to look for traces of mystical foul play, to use detect thoughts for difficult interrogations, or dispel magic to contain magic-using insurgents or criminals.

>Most of the members of the Blackened Book are 4th-level arcane or divine spellcasters. Two notable exceptions are the chief countermage of the Book, Warden Balan Cord (LG male human magewright 12), and the lead investigator, Warden Hasal Dalian (LN male gnome diviner 6).

Just cast Share Memory in downtime.

>>51044748
Without hesitation, Your Grace! He shall rue the day he intruded upon your realm!

>>51045222
It's a shame Fire Runes don't detonate if they get destroyed physically.

>>51044811
Nope, too chaotic. You can't compromise with Depraved Chaotics.

>>51045165
Goddamn, that shit would cost me 15k gold just to make a piece of paper animated permanently.

>>51045299
Why would you animate them permanently when you want to blow them up?

>>51045268
You should have said 'You can't trust Depraved Chaotics.' Remember, it's Lawful alignments that are narrowminded, Chaotic alignments are shifty.

>>51045350
Because I would have to burn spell slots if I want to make more than one in a short amount of time. Or, I can use just one or two slots, and slowly build up a handful of them over time.

>>51045390
But animate object lets you animate a sheet per caster level.

>>51045409
Huh, guess I was reading the wrong stuff. That's a way better idea. Thanks.

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What's the best 1pp class for a brave knight protecting a cute yet lazy princess?

>>51045462
Oradin? Is that Nozomi?

>>51045462
Paladin.

>>51045462
Cavalier, Warder with some archetypes (Sworn Protector, Ordained Defender, Zweihander Sentinel).

>>51045479
Just Paladin and Oracle levels? Or is there a better way?

So is Magnimar it's own entity or is it like a Chelish colony?

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>>51045435
Ah fuck, I just realized that's not a wizard spell. Why the fuck isn't that a wizard spell? Guess it's back to the drawing board.

Who would be a good sparring partner for Onryou

>>51045462
Cav or Paladin.

>>51045501
>1pp

>>51045535
Sorry, missed that part. But Cavalier stilll applies! Or just a Fighter, it can be flavored and refluffed in many ways,

>>51045535
>>51045501
>>51045499
>>51045479
Cavalier can't compete with Paladin, can it? That's sad; it's conceptually better. A paladin should be questing to defeat Evil, not guarding a cute princess.

>>51045509
Korvosa is a Chelish colony, Magnimar was founded by Korvosans who were fed up with Cheliax.

>>51045527
You'd need someone who fights in close. Really that's only Gebrek and Shanna.

How do you guys think DHB would be as a GM? He seems like he is gonna make a game.

>>51045618
Honestly decent. His autistic attention to detail would benefit well in the GM's role.

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>>51045618
How do you guys think 2hu would be as a GM?

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>>51045515
Is the character you're wanting to do this as already made? Give us more info.

>>51045618
Last time he tried he flaked because of chest pain, so who knows.

>>51045509
City state

>>51045647
Nothing special. It's my first session with Path and we're all learning as we go. After many sessions I have a level 4 Universalist Wizard. But I'm partial to pet's/blowing shit up. Was trying to see if i could combine the two.

>>51045633
Not bad but with some problems.

Are there any good dwarf builds in Pathfinder, or is it a shit edition for dwarves?

>>51045647
She's cute! CUTE!

Questioin, /pfg/.

How do I go about making Maiden, Mother, Crone less... strangely obsessed with sexism and soggy knees?

>>51045740
We've got a dwarf berserker in out group that dual wields and he fucks shit up royally.

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>>51045765
What did he mean by this?

>>51045765

How is Maiden, Mother, Crone obsessed with sexism and misogyny?

>>51045740

Dwarfs are dandy. Any class that gets good mileage out of CON or WIS, a dwarf can make it work nicely.

>>51045794
>con races
useless garbage

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>>51045124
I want to read the bug one but ... fuck just the thought of it crawling all over is just...

>>51045765
Sexualize the Maiden into an extreme slut for cocks of every size, make the Mother abusive and cruel, and turn the Crone into a raging, nearly non-sapient monster.

>>51045527

The Magnimar Bull's probably the only character that could put her on her back or knees.

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>>51045803
>he forgot about the Low Azlanti
Reassess your priorities.

>>51045670
Convince the GM to let Unseen Crew carry sheets of explosive runes around.

>>51045779
>>51045785
Because the villains literally worship the Demon Lord of Soggy Knees?

>>51045815
No, that would just make things worse.

I want icky gender/ID politics things out of my AP.

>>51044811
That's a real funny way to spell Lawful Neutral. You French or something?

>>51045816
>Sir Not-Appearing-In-These-Applications

>>51045820
I want to impregnate a gillgal!

>>51045850
>>51045268
>this meme

Law and Chaos are far less important than Good and Evil, and considering I'd be TN at best that's saying something.

>>51045883
They lay eggs and then you fertilize them. There's no impregnation.

>>51045527
Wouldn't any of the dedicated warrior types serve as a decent training partner?

Helping train to fight against one or more dudes/ladies wielding swords is just as useful--maybe more so--than specializing in fighting another monk.

>>51045827
Hmm, didn't even know that was a spell. What's different from Unseen Servant?

>>51045900

They're mammals, not fish.

Built like dolphins!

>>51045897
Law vs Chaos was the first conflict for both gods and mortals during the Brother's War.

>>51045901

True, true, any aspiring hero could use someone strong and enthusiastic to train with.

>>51045914
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/u/unseen-crew

As unseen servant, but knows how to work on a ship.

>>51045929
They're not mammals, they're pond scum.

>>51045914
Unseen servant will make only one. Unseen Crew will produce a sailor per level.

>>51045820
Con bonuses on martials or anyone that attacks are useless, since you need either str or dex for your main mechanic. Full casters are the only ones who could benefit from the con more than a bonus to the others, and even then clerics and druids could use the str or dex. And lord knows that theres no con int races.

>>51045939
Okay, that's kind of

>>51045965
Ah okay. I like this. Thanks for the tip.

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>>51045944
SAY THAT TO MY FACE MOTHERFUCKER!

>>51045901

Who would be the best swordsman to spar with?

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>>51045981
The are pond scum.

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Let's talk for a second about Xorns.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/xorn

What the fuck. Wouldn't this creature be a huge danger to most societies? Are there any better descriptions of his ecology. How do good characters justify killing a Xorn if possible? I assume they are extremely rare are there any indepth sources on Xorns?

So with all the debate about GDM and the heist game, do we need to run two concurrent games? The first for the criminals doing the heisting and the second for the gumshoes hot on their heels?

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>>51045932
But even so, there's only room on this stage for one leading man!

Hope we get the chance to see whose sword-fu is best soon.

>>51046008
They're extraplanar so they're not native to the material plane, and they don't seem to have a way to access different planes. The only way they're getting here is from being called, or finding random plane-holes.

>>51045996
>male Ursula
I've been disarmed.

>>51045970
Zen Archer is the only thing that comes to mind, and I'd rather have Strength Wisdom from Oread or Hungerseed to boost tasty composite bow goodness

>>51045989
I feel like Casimir would be fun for any of the younger fighters to try and surpass or learn from, Gil or Rubio would be fun to be rival-buddies with (especially for each other), and...uh...and I clearly need to take a second look at the applicants list 'cause I'm already out of ideas.

>>51046087
Oh, Valeriya would be pretty fun to train with--could see her and Casimir hitting it off, or maybe she'd be getting royally infuriated by someone like Gil or Kousei.

Seriously, though, any tips on rewriting Maiden, Mother, Crone to be less... gratuitous, for lack of a better word?

Is it easy to make the Demon Lord just a dude who is justifiably ticked off at Baba Yaga for turning him into a Demon Lord? And maybe nix the idea of Soggy Knees demons entirely (because they're fucking retarded)?

>>51046087
>>51046122
>swordplay
>not wanting to see Seht and Kyler's archery competition.

>>51046008
They're intelligent enough that they'd probably trade for their food if they needed to interact with a humanoid settlement rather than simply eating them out of house and home.

So when does rotjr apps close?

>>51046139

There's room for more than one kind of potentially cute/funny/meaningful competition, anon.

>>51046156

January 15th!

>>51046131
Just don't touch on it. Play up his other aspects, like "strong should dominate the weak", "civilization is effete and decadent", or just "that damn old hag took over before I could".

>>51046177
Great! Then ive got plenty of time to finish up.

>>51046083
I guess that's true, but outside of wis to attack and damage classes like psyarm or other shit con still feels lack luster to me.

>>51046195
Will that effect the plot at all?

And what would be a good replacement for the literally misogyny demons? My players are a bit overleveled, so are there any fun CR5-8 demons to make them fight, that go with the cold weather?

The fact that they have Andro in the root of their name is also, dare I say, problematic.

>>51045527
I can see Onryou sparring people who use sharpened swords against her