EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL: Art Edition

First for "big guy for you" commanders.

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First for kor girls

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>>51011033

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Favorite land art

>>51011034
>Girl
That's some serious manface

>>51010930
Post mtg tit art?

I want to build a deck that makes everyone at the table absolutely miserable. Which commander would be best for this?

>>51011056
So someone could probably take him down with a few knights with swords? Hes not that big

>>51011341
hes crouching tho isnt he?

>>51011305
Mono-black stax with the pitmaster

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>>51011172
Nice human opinion
>>51011303
Pit art?

>>51011305
Well what kind of miserable are you looking for? You can do stax miserable like Teysa, "youll never have creatures" miserable like Glissa, or "youll never do anything" like Augustin IV. Their are tons of ways to make people miserable. Also are you looking for group bullshit or for 1v1?

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Can I get some comments or critiques on my Feldon deck? I got into the format with one of the four color precons and upgrading, especially the manabase, is extremely expensive, so I'm scaling it back with a monocolor deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-01-17-feldon-of-the-third-path-edh/

>>51011305
You could build a stupid chaos deck, makes the game last forever as you order replacement effects and randomisation effects with no real win condition.

Warp World
Knowledge Pool
Possibility Storm
Hive Mind
Mana barbs

etc

>>51011629
Maybe Flamekin Village or Hall of the bandit lord, more options to ensure Feldon has haste.

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>>51011629
>that flavor
damn now I want this

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>>51011033

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teysa-memedeck/ Posting on this thread again before I pull the trigger and buy!

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I've fallen in love with Sram, and I'm going to build a mono-white Voltron deck with that adorable advisor at the helm.

Anyone got any secret tech suggestions?

Flickering Ward is fucking awesome with him, even moreso if you add Sigarda's Aid into the mix.
Add in other auras, equipment and nice tutors, and you've got a pretty nice deck, and on the cheap too.

What's the basic strategy of a Surrak Dragonclaw deck?

This is a weird request but I'm looking for a commander that's wearing a mask. Preferably in colors that care more about artifacts but it doesn't really matter a whole bunch. Can anyone help me out?

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>>51012101

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>>51011033
He can get big.
>>51011305
Depends on the colors you're looking at.
>>51011953
Aura voltron so that you can get access to massive aura/enchantment graveyard recovery spells that mono white has.

>>51012130
>hilariously buff guy
>puny little dagger
>clearly skipped leg day
Pottery.

>>51012130
Wow, that's practically perfect for a meme deck.

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>>51011629
If you're going to be reckless, cards like goblin lore would be good. I have a hunch that you'll be doing major changes in the creature area. A creature i would suggest would be pic related.

>>51012087
Play big creatures, hit people with them.

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>>51011469
Tit art.

>>51010930
Normal Commander has fallen out of favor at my LGS, now everyone are playing 20lp Duel Commander at FNM and it actually looks fun.
I have Queen Marchesa, Teysa Orzhov Scion and Mogis God of Slaughter, which one would you take to FNM?

>>51012539
dear god I hope that doesn't catch on

>>51012539
>20 LP Duel Commander
absolutely disgusting

>>51011483
"You'll never have creatures" would definitely make my group the most miserable.

>>51012539
>20lp Duel Commander
jesus that sound horrible honestly

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>>51011033

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So, a dumb question about janky Breya techs.

Let's say i'm attacking with her with blade of selves attached. Will i be able to sac the two Breya clones that appeared to original Breya's ability before legend rule kicks in?

>>51013074
No. Legend rule hits when state based actions are checked, which happens before anyone gets priority.

>>51011953
>Sram
kek, means taking a shit in Polish

>>51013074
No, state-based actions are checked first and they are sent to the yard. If someone had a Mirror Gallery out, this would work

>>51012539
Build Edric flying men with every <2cmc counterspell you can find to make them understand why that's a retarded idea.

>>51013074

I don't think so. They'll go to the graveyard as a state based action before anyone gets priority.

I think you'll still get the 4 tokens though, so it might be worth it anyways.

>>51013094
>>51013097
dangit.

>>51013104
You do get tokens. The second legend has to actually enter the battlefield for the legend rule to apply, so all ETB effects trigger. It's the same reason why Rite of Replication on certain commanders like Reaper King = fun times

>>51013138

>Rite of Replication on Reaper King

you fucking disgust me.

>>51011305
Just build a group hug and spend the entire game talking about how much fun everyone is having. Get mad when someone attacks you since you're "not hurting anyone" and vocally pick a winner and say you're playing for second place.

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>>51013104
>>51013138
So i still can do dumb things, they're just less dumb. Got it.
Time for Panharmonicon/pic related shenanigans.

>>51011305
Horobi, Death's Wail.
The pub stomp deck to stomp all pub stompers.

Thraximundar or Zurgo for voltron?

>>51013235
How would this work?

>>51013192
if that card isnt banned in EDH like tomorrow i will lose all faith in the rules council and demand that wizard takes over control of EDH

>>51013314
It doesnt. As soon as you play Horobi, someone will target it. Commanders that are blatant with what they do are not good

>>51013352
Why do you want it banned? Cards like Felidar Sovereign aren't and have much less work to do to win with.

>>51013352
Honestly, i feel the same. It would be an amazing shenanigans card without "you win" clause.

>>51011033
Xenagod

>>51013371
>Commanders that are blatant with what they do are not good
So goodstuff is the only real way to play?

>>51013352
Nice kneejerk reaction, kiddo.

>>51013352
You have faith in them now?

>>51013496
The hidden tier above scrambleverse

>>51013511
not really

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What is best way to use this card?

It works quite well with "cowardice" but is there any other cards it works with?

>>51013405
i want that card banned too, its one of the few cards thats actually banned in my play group

>>51012218
What other creatures would you suggest I change if you think that it's necessary?

>>51012705
>>51013008
But French EDH has now officially 20 life. That's why they unbanned shit like Yawgmoth's Bargain.
Yes, the card that's banned everywhere and restricted in vintage.

>>51013683
So it's vial smasher: the format?

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>>51013371
which is why you recur it, give it indestructible, and/or respond with targeting their whole board

>>51013557
>What is best way to use this card?
As kindling for a roaring fire, that card is awful

>>51013352
Dude, that card isn't even that powerful. It's decent on a myr token or pentavite or triskelavite or thopter, but not that great aside from those.
It seems decent value, but it's not something you'd expect to win with, afterall, it's two choices of targets that can be removed to nullify the effect.

>>51013732
No, it's a dad joke: the format.
It shocks me like stomping grounds how incompetent the people in charge of it are. They're even worse than sheldor and his merry men.
They announced that they'd keep focusing on banning problem commanders, instead of banning actual problem cards which amlmost always reside in the 99 and instead they now unban probably the most broken enchantment that ever was created.
The 20 life nerf isn't helping enough to justify the unban.

>>51013165
What about on Vela senpai?

>>51013032
only correct answer

>>51013929
Each opponent losing 20 life isn't equal destroying 25 permanents in my opinion.

>>51011305
Gaddock Teeg

what cards are there that make a creature you control deal damage to someone else?

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>>51013192
Did someone say Mass-Production?

>>51013352
lol what? that card fucking sucks

So, how do people feel about Yehenni? I was eagerly awaiting to see what an Aetherborn Vampire would have, and it is by no means a bad card in the 99 (just about any Golgari deck could make use) but strikes me as underwhelming as commander. I guess I am kinda reminded of Ashling the Extinguisher. A really useful creature for bringing the pain, but not really a build-around.

>>51013165
>>51013929
>>51013993
or just use it on gray merchant for le instant win

>>51014035
That works too. There's bunch of good cards that work well with it. Kokusho is good too, but it's really underwhelming compared to Gary.

>>51014015
honestly, not even that impressive as a role player in the 99 of any deck

>>51011434
Yes, hes 8 feet small.

>>51013103
Edric's been banned in duel commander since forever.

>>51013352

? Card isn't good at all, it's a just for giggles card

>>51013851

Aren't you the guy that talks shit on French edh constantly yet never plays it and shits on anybody who mentions that they've played it once or twice?

Why should we listen to your retarded opinions on this matter?

Im playing Derevi Stax and Im not quite sure how to finish out the game?

>>51014015

It was designed for limited and standard not edh

>>51014348

just beat down with creatures while everybody else is locked down

>>51014348
kill yourself

>>51014385

That will end the game pretty quick

>>51013596
Creatures with ETB effects that help you. I would choose creatures as a response to your meta.

>>51014348
depends, what stax pieces are you using?

>>51014308
Did I hit a nerve? I have played it but it doesn't matter even if I never had, since it's effectively just EDH with a different banlist and halved life.
You're delusional if you think that the banlist is good and the people deciding the bans/unbans are competent on what they do.
It's not even a good format when it comes to competitive element, since the good archetypes don't work, such as storm.
You can defend even tiny leaders all you want, but Frech will never be a good format as long as the people in charge stop and think.
At least give me an argument and reason why was I wrong instead of "durr you a retard". This isn't /v/.

>>51013732
In fact it is, >>51013851 doesn't know shit, Yawgmoth's Bargain is absolutelly meaningless.
The format's top decks are:
>Vial/Kraum
>Vial/Reyhan
>Titania
>Geist of Saint Traft
>Jenara, Asura of War
>Zurgo Bellstriker
>Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
>Saskia the Unyielding
With some success from Kytheon, Breya, Prossh, Meren, Leovold and Queen Marchesa.

It's actually nothing at all like Duel Commander used to be, it feels a lot like singleton Legacy and is actually very damn exiting.

>>51014015
8/10 in Meren/Mazirek if you have Damnation, 0/10 everywhere else.

>>51013296
Depends. Zurgo is typically faster, has access to tons of removal, and has a bunch of combat tricks, but is a bit more difficult to protect outside of your turn. Thraximundar is slower, but can play a better control game and has more card draw options.

I built both decks before, and I found Zurgo to be more fun to play.

>>51013929

Just winning the game isn't comparable to ruining someone else's game by wiping out their mana bases. Just imagine with Panharmonicon too, sweet jesus.

I've posted this here once before but I still need a second look

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-red-goblin-artificer/

It feels too much like "durdle until you can start slapping people with Blightsteel" and I don't like having only one wincon in a deck

Is there any way of making a Yidris Chaos deck enjoyable to play and play against?

>>51014611

I'm leaning more towards Zurgo definitely.

>>51014759
>Yidris
Yes

>Chaos
No

So last thread I asked about Ruric Thar and Erebos as starting commanders for my friends' first edh decks that had ~$50 budget.

Everyone has their own opinion on whether those commanders are good for new players but after they looked through the legendaries those are the ones they choose.

Grull -
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cheap-gruul-creatures/

MonoB -
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-mono-black-kill-stuff/

They will mostly be playing eachother so hopefully they are somewhat balanced. We have a few other cheaper decks to play with them in 3-4 player games.

How do you feel about multicolor conmanders of monocolored decks?

>>51015126
Feels pretty shitty to use a commander and not use its color potential, especially if that means you never summon the commander.

If I had a dollar for everytime someone told me my U/W pillowfort with Hannah would be better off with oloro constantly giving me life I would have like ten dollars.

>>51015299
That's not very many people.

>>51015313
I made the deck last month but I still don't think 2 life a turn is worth the artifact and enchantment recursion that hannah offers.

>>51015331
Not that guy but I totally agree, 2 life a turn is actually fucking nothing if you're down on cards

>>51015126
My Mogis only runs four red cards other than himself: Sulfuric Vortex, Aether Flash, Terminate and Dreadbore.

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Can someone explain this last ability in plain english to me? This sounds like something that can be abused.

>>51015422

Mana does not empty from your pool while he is on the board. You can save it up from turn to turn, it just becomes colorless.

>>51015422
you use him to drop like 20 eldrazi in one turn

>>51015447
Ooooh. So let me get this straight: Could I technically tap out my entire mana pool at the end step of my opponents turn, then begin my turn with double mana (half colorless of course)?

Is Path of Bravery going to draw me hate?

>>51015518

Yes.

>>51015504
I think you're confusing him with animar.

>>51015528
Holy crap.

>>51015422
it means you'll put seedborn muse into your deck like the tryhard UG playing bitch you are, then you'll genesis wave for like 60 mana on turn 5

>>51015542
it's pretty good, especially in casual metas

>>51014698
>>51014698
pls help

>>51015546
this remind me

>3 hour game
>kruphix player got fuckton mana
>shuffles his graveyard into his deck
>plays genesis wave for 68
>2 players leave and i just sit there waiting to see what he got out of the wave

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>>51014011
I giggled

How would an elf tribal be in edh?

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Scapeshift is a fucking magnificent card, holy shit. I splurged on a copy for Wort and it netted me 2 of my 4 wins tonight.

>>51013557
This could be fun with proliferate and related shenanigans.

>>51015763

Very good. Get the C14 mono green and modify it to your heart's content.

>Throw in Parallel Lives, Doubling Season, and Craterhoof
>You can keep it mono-green with Ezuri, Renegade Leader as commander.
>Go Selesnya colors which Rhys the Redeemed for stupid numbers of tokens (potentially infinite)
>Go Golgari with Nath, Jarad, or Savra (or I did a pretty effective Meren even though she's not an elf) to sac elves for fun and profit.
>Go Simic with Ezuri, Claw of Progress to play tiny elves and make them big
>Go Abzan with Ghave (not an elf, I know) for general token/counter shenanigans
>Go Sultai with Leovold as elf tribal rather than fully evil wheel tribal

>>51013192
That's gonna be fun in monoblue artifact fuckery, just get lattice down and win the turn after you play it from your islands

>>51014015
He looks amusing.

>>51014015
I'd run him in Ghave. Granted I could run fucking anything in Ghave and get a combo going, but still

>>51015815
Is adding black or white worth it?
Also how is the planeswalker commander in the precon?

Does Primal Vigor make an acceptable substitute for Doubling Season?

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So still working on Mizzix, haven't had the time to hit up the LGS to buy cards so I'm still in the theorycrafting stage.

Really excited for Whir of Invention and Inpiring Monuments which will probably go in to turn my boots and greaves and seal of the guildpact into rocks but is it worth trying to squeeze in Summonings and Spy Network? I own Trail already and I feel that is a pretty good way to generating mana rocks fast with Monument.

I just want more rocks for Izzet really and Inspiring Monuments is fucking rad.

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Favorite creature art is between Simic Guildmage or Lyzolda Bloodwitch. Had a poster of them back in the day, one on either side.

For land it's Minamo, School at Waters Edge, but most lands from Champions of Kamigawa are awesome imo

How common is 1v1 Commander?

>>51015922
In my experience, she's solid. Most elf commanders are pretty good as either commander or as part of the 99

>>51015989
Yes if you're looking for both the counters and tokens but keep in mind it affects everyone. If you only want tokens to be doubled, there's parallel lives.
>>51016009
Depends on the place. Although it's better with multiple people, I do it with my friends to kill time.

>>51015589
Posted a reply on the tappedout link.

>>51016009
I find that few people at my lgs play 1v1, and those that do take it seriously, but it really would depend on the place.

I never play 1v1 because we have a playgroup and all of our decks are built for multiplayer.

>>51015922

Mono green is very linear, and definitely any mono color is easy to build a mana base for. Because elves have so many mana dorks, you can run fewer lands than you normally would. Most people prefer Ezuri as commander for his overrun effect, but Freyalise is okay as commander if you want to try it. If not she goes in the 99 in all instances.

Adding white with Rhys opens you up to an additional infinite tokens combo as well as better removal/protection/lifegain/populate options. You'll also have access to Wilt Leaf Liege as an additional anthem effect.

Adding Black really ups your creature removal options and with stuff like Ashnods and Phyrexian Altar, you can sac tokens for a massive Exsanguinate finisher or stuff like Attrition/Dictate of Erebos to sac extra elves to wipe enemy boards. I have a Meren elves deck which I use to keep saccing ETB effect elves and bringing them back for double value (Dwynen's Elite, Elvish Visionary).

Simic colors with Newzuri are much less popular but do let you run some of the interesting counters effects that blue has, plus possible infinite turns.

Some of the most powerful cards for elves in any color:
>Doubling Season + Parallel Lives = stupid huge amounts of tokens
>Cloudstone Curio + Dwynen's Elite = Infinite token enabler
>Presence of Gond + Midnight Guard = Infinite tokens
>Ashnod's/Phyrexian Altar = sac lots of tokens for lots of mana
>Crytolith Rite/Citanul Hierophants = make all your elves mana dorks
>Birthing Pod/Skyshroud Poacher = Dig for better elves
>All the elf lords/anthem effects
>Beastmaster Ascension/Craterhoof Behemoth/Overrun/Triumph of the Hordes = finisher

>>51014015
I'm kinda interested in her for my Queen Marchesa Deck but I doubt she'll stay long/make the cut. I do have a bunch of board wipes/tokens, need a sac outlet, and the indestructible feeds into point one. I'll see how she do.

>>51014827
Before I built Queen Marchesa I was going to do zurgo. Seems fun to just get big and smash face. Assault suit is a must.

>>51016009
Normal banlist 1v1 is non-existant in my city but at least three stores are pulling 15-20 people each for French Commander at FNM.
It's gaining popularity and apparently is pretty fun now that it's 20hp and aggro can be a thing instead of just Narset vs Jenara all day everyday.

>>51016266
French seems good on paper

Anyone here wanna critique my edh decks? I'll make lists or take pics of someone is willing to chat

>>51013192
I don't play EDH but my Myr deck is about to get a lot better.

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>>51012503
Teysa is one of the best. I just wish she was playable.

>>51016569

Too expensive?

>>51016569
You're just using her wrong version.

>>51015422
When you tap a land or mana rock, it adds mana to your 'mana pool'. For example, at your opponents end step you can tap all of your lands to add X colored mana to your pool. When that turn ends, you'll hold onto that mana except it'll be colorless.

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>>51015542
Look into a card called 'Mana Cube'. It's a card that I don't see in many decks, and it's broken with the commander. Also check out 'Blue Sun Zenith' for milling out opponents or drawing cards yourself.

>>51016704
Do you mean doubling cube?

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freshly ripped from maro's blog
>username

Making a flash bant deck in honor of prophet

>>51016620
She's a seven drop to start. Using her as anything other a card in the 99 is kind of impractical. I run a Gisela deck too, but she's worth the mana squeeze.

>>51016644
If only it had better cleavage.

>>51016742
Yeah, that's the name of it. The green praetor partners well with it, too.

>>51016704
>>51016742
Not that anon, but they Mean Doubling Cube, and as someone who has ran Kruphix in the past, its fucking amazing and feels great to do

>>51016759

She was the commander of my exile.dec as a nice finisher. Seven mana doesn't mean much later in the game. She's also wonderful with Godsend because she's at that 7 damage sweet spot while making it even worse to attack into.

>>51016743
Yaheni is a featureless black blob with garish clothes that speaks like a ghetto nigra/effeminate saturday morning cartoon villain.
Tumblr really is mental illness central.

Is yidris better to play storm or just play good stuff/chaos.

Would golgari grave troll be worth running in a 27 creature gitrog deck?

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Hey. There was an anon here a few days ago looking to do an Edric deck that was based more on spies/looking at opponents hand than FlyingMen.dec. I was at my friends house the next day and found this. I thought it was a nice middleground. I hope you see this.

>>51016743
>that shill as fuck response
you can almost feel maro cringing as he responds to that

>>51016266
>>51016285
Honestly with French down to 20 I think Edric could possibly be unbanned.
The current top aggrro deck was doing close to 45% when I tested my absolute meta Edric against it.

>>51016569
If wizards had decreased her PT by 1 each and then lowered CMC by 2 it would have made her playable.

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You guys pick anything neat up recently?

I finally caved and got myself some some more Tops, specifically the three on the bottom. I love Top.

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>>51017398
I don't think I've ever held so much money in my hands. I'm debating whether or not to order a few singles. I know they'd be great in my decks, but I'm unsure if I'll be able to play once I move to a new city.

Does anyone have any recommendations for cards that pair well with Oona, Queen of the Fae?

>>51017171
If it was up to me Edric, SDT, Ancient Tomb and Entomb would be unbanned.
20hp doesn't let you tutle at all unless you're full-control, where SDT would be very welcome. And Edric is the perfect kind of tempo to combat Smasher-Kraum/Reyhan.

>>51017398
I picked up a baby jace for 19 shipped. Im gunna play the recently banned pauper drake combo with a couple more dumb synergies and hopefully value out my opponents.

>>51017456
>so much money
>six tops
I run Judge Foil Onslaught Fetchlands, Damnation, Wasteland, Ravages of War and Rishadan Port. My deck is not even top 10 of most valuable decks at my LGS.

I'm unsure wether recommending Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth would break your wallet now.

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Can you guys help me with my Rashmi list?

I need to make some cuts and find places to squeeze some stuff in. DECKLIST: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-rashmi-control/

Cards I'm looking to put in:
Forbid
Oracle of Mul Daya
Burgeoning
Jace the Mind Sculptor


I feel like there are some easy swaps:
Courser > Oracle
Nissa > Jace
But I'm still having difficulty making cuts.

>>51017398
I recently had a wave of successful online trades and added ~$500 of value amongst 6 decks over the last month.

Got old Kozy and Ula for Jhoira and through my Crucible of Worlds in there too.

Hanna is piloting Azorius superfriends now and I got a Jace TMS and Karn Liberated (Though I would rather have Ugin than Karn)

Switched Phenax to Lazav and he got a full overhaul, got some of the good clones like Clever Imposter, Stunt Double and a Phyrexian Metamorph in there as well. Also a Flip Jace, Snapcaster, Bribery, Creeping Tarpit, Geth and some other goodies.

>>51017616
>Hanna Superfriends
You wouldn't happen to have a list for that, would you anon? I've got my own Hanna deck that needs a little sprucing up and I think that sounds like a fun way to do it

>>51017456
might want to stick to your LGS' bulk bin

>>51013002
Posting this as a general miserable experience to play against. There's a bit of guiding in the description.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daretti-scrap-savant-competitive-control-1

>>51017665
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hannas-superfriend-pillowship/

Considering heavier stax with the orbs and stasis to lock down the board with walkers up but it is friendlier and more fun how it is.

>>51017537
I have tomb through trade. I'll definitely check out Cabal Coffers.

>>51017537
My Nath deck frequently has boardstates that are just shy of $600 between a handful of cards. Ditto my Ertai deck has boardstates that quickly reach triple digits.

>>51017398
>buy more than one of for a singleton format
I literally cannot justify doing this, but nice.

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>>51013683
>French

>Lattice is going to spike
>Cheapest versions are in foreign
FUCK IT
I'LL JUST WIN BECAUSE NO ONE WILL KNOW WHAT MY CARDS DO

>>51018415
All foiled and foreign is the endgame of deck pimping.

>>51018444

Why are foreign cards more prestigious?

Everybody I've ever played with who used foreign cards was an elitist douchebag that either didn't know what their cards did or lied about what they did in the hopes that people wouldn't bother to look up the exact wording on their phone

>>51016951

Sure

>>51015331
>>51015299
I actually thought about swapping Oloro in the place of Skittles for the lifegain. I decided not to, since I feel that it's much more convenient to have an actual finisher on the zone, but it wasn't that bad of an idea, since the deck loses life like it's black friday sales trampled.

>>51018518
less supply due to lower demand. Its a similar reason to why frontier exists.

>>51018571

Okay that makes a lot of sense

When all you're friends have foiled out decks, you have to be unique some other way I suppose

>>51015422
>>51015447
Keep in mind, that while the mana becomes colorless, it doesn't lose charasteristics. That means that you can store Boseiju mana or mana from Hall of the Bandit Lord and use the extra trait later when it suits you.

>>51012130
If I tapped that mask artifact , would you die?

>>51018444
Russian>Korean>Japanese>Chinese>English=German>Spanish>Italian>French

>>51018881

>gook moon runes > Romance languages

Yikes

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Comments, critiques, concerns, suggestions?

Rate and hate.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-bleed-them-dry/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/do-the-goblin-wave/

when i first heard about edh a few years ago it sounded like a fun idea. but now that i'm trying to start it seems like everyone is running the same fetch lands/tutors/mana rocks which seems kind of boring too me. anyone else notice this? is it just my playgroup?

>>51019038

Fetchlands are pretty expensive so they aren't THAT common

Tutors and mana rocks on the other hand, why build a deck without them? Especially mana rocks, or just ramp in general

That's what the format is about, every deck is either a ramp deck or its shit, this is the ramp format. Modern tron or legacy 12 post are basically the only other times you'll get to play ramp decks outside of cube. People play edh to ramp into silly stuff

>>51016860
I read yaheeni as a thick russian accent actually.

>>51014011
WHERE IS MY MASS PRODUCED BIG ZAM /EDH/?

Thinking about making my Saskia deck into a soldier tribal. What are some of the best and flavorful soldier cards I need? And also, since there isn't a lot of black and green soldier what do I do with the colors?

>>51019038
I think it's part of the ebb and flow of a playgroup. People start out janky, begin fine tuning, and then either reach hyper competitive levels of streamlining or figure out how to scale back the arms race. Having the right colors and enough mana makes a big difference in being able to play effectively so I think that's why you'll tend to see more of the same fetch lands and ramp.

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>>51012130
Get rekt nerd lmao

darien best commander. never had more fun than with that awful rube goldberg deck.

>>51019392
Any spicy tech? I'm building a Darien deck atm

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>3-man game, Kokusho (me) vs. Karador vs. Sheoldred
>you have not seen levels of graveyard bullshittery has high as this game
>life totals are starting to dwindle to Necropotence activations
>everything swinging wildly back and forth between Garys and Kokushos all over the damn board
>manage to fire off pic related
>Sheoldred player casts Karador's Ashen Rider and starts fucking his shit up, tapping all his shit out
>Karador player fucks Sheoldred's shit sideways in return, with the grand finale being tapping his Top, then using his Liliana Vess to tutor up a Swamp, then tapping everything and passing
>my turn comes up
>their shit is fucked sideways, time to take over
>Animate Dead my Sidisi, kill her to fetch Rise, resolve Rise and win off a giant ass Gary trigger

tl;dr: Managed to cast pic related finally, shit was so cash

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I want to build an aura deck that isn't Voltron. Is Flickerwisp the only card that can flicker noncreature permanents?

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>>51019545
There's also this dude here.

>>51019545
There's Brago.

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Hey guys, beginner to MTG here. Just getting into the game and I love it so far, but I'm quite lost with how many products there are. Boxes and boosters and packs this that and the other thing.

Are the latest 4 mana pre-built commander decks worth the money or are they noob traps? I don't trust myself with deckbuilding, and many commander netdecks are nearly as expensive as their modern/standard counterparts. Seems a little too good to be true.

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>>51019400

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>>51019682
More like this

>>51019658
While the precons are a decent frame to work with, the manabases aren't that great. I would build maximum of 3 colored deck as my first, but 2 colours is usually the best.
It really boils down to what do you want to play and what kinds of strategies you want to use.
I usually choose either a commander or colours to work with, with few exceptions of choosing a strategy first, such as with my monoblack infect.
But I say that almost any given precon gives you a playable deck and can be tuned for a good deck.

>>51019802
>It really boils down to what do you want to play and what kinds of strategies you want to use.
I'm not gonna bother you all much because I'm sure you get tons of people like me asking to be spoonfed, but maybe you or someone here can give me a commander or two as reqs.

I've seen the kind of combos cards like Leovold, Emissary of Trest can pull off and it just looks fucking hilarious. Leovold and then Teferi's Puzzle Box sounds like one of the cruelest things I can imagine. That, or I saw a video of someone with a creature card called "Managorger Hydra" that received +1/+1 for each spell casted, and eventually it got so far out of control that it was trampling people for like twenty damage or more. Stuff like that seems very fun.

>>51019870
>That, or I saw a video of someone with a creature card called "Managorger Hydra" that received +1/+1 for each spell casted, and eventually it got so far out of control that it was trampling people for like twenty damage or more. Stuff like that seems very fun.

Yes, a TWENTY DAMAGE CREATURE is great! That's huge!

What's a Doom Blade? That's CHEATING

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Anyone thinking of brewing for the new monoblack legend? I'm struggling to think of a use for my monoblack shell that doesn't feel boring and awful, and I'm thinking of using him now. Having a sac outlet and a voltron-ish wincon in the command zone seems like fun. I'm getting a real "RULES OF NATURE" vibe off him too with the whole being indestructible when fed other dudes and growing stronger off defeated bad guys.

However I really don't like how monoblack suffers a lot with dealing with non-creature threats. The thing I actually would like to do with monoblack is play my opponent's stuff to better deal with noncreature threats, but Gonti just didn't work out for me when I last tried him. It just felt so durdly and slow with my recur & sac shell. Maybe I should have put more flicker and mana ramp into my deck though. It doesn't help that my friends' decks are all weird jank like ally tribals and stuff so most of the stuff I got with gonti was trash

thoughts?

>>51019890
>What's a Doom Blade?
I'm new, so I actually had to google what it was. I think the creature had something put onto it that made it untargetable or something. I dunno man, I don't know what's good or not, I just like what I like.

>>51019890
Do not bully the Timmies

So, I am making a rogue tribal deck, with Yidris as commander, and I don't really want to just slap out an uninspired edhrec copy, but it can be hard finding all the secret joys out there in the magic world. Rogues are easy enough go look up, but for my spells, artifacts, and such what would /tg/ advise?

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>>51019904
>this card with grave pact
Damn, I want to play that and feel like a yu-gi-oh anime vilain.

>>51019890
Managorger Hydra and Doom Blade are both fun cards

>>51019658
>>51019870
The thing you should learn very early in your EDH career is that "how strong" an EDH deck isn't really that important. Or rather, it's important that the decks played against one another in your group are around the same power level. Most (non-autistic) people intentionally power down their decks to not have too many blow-outs, infinite combos or stax effects so that other people can also enjoy the game. A lot of archetypes in EDH are only viable at lower power levels, like most tribals and stuff, which is why powering your deck down is encouraged a lot of time.

It's hard to say whether a pre-con is a good purchase for you since I don't know what kind of people you'll be playing against. If you're playing against other casual players, then yeah, a lot of precons will work great. But if you're playing against people who intentially power their decks up as high as they can, then you'll have a bad time with a precon.

I think a precon is a good introduction to the format though. They're cheap and WotC tends to put stupid ass shitty cards in them, and learning to recognize which ones they are and replacing them is a really nice way to get better at deckbuilding yourself.

>>51019870
Well, there's hundreds of legendaries to use, so just recommending one is hard.
What do you want to do with your deck? What kind of strategy do you want to use?
Permanents or nonpermanents? If permanents, creatures, artifacts, enchantments or walkers?
Every stategy has at least one dedicated commander, or at least one that works well with any given strategy.
I can try to recommend some, but give me first something to work with. Preferably some preferred colours too.

>>51019950
that's like monoblack deckbuilding 101. add swamps, add cabal coffers, add grave pact. it does get old for your group when you plop that thing down in creature focused metas, you simply have complete control over the board until it blows up.

>>51019870
Oh you don't even understand silly.

I suggest picking up one of the C15 two colour precons, if you can, particularly the Plunder the Graves one. The 4c ones are a little esoteric because they promote expensive mana fixing and have very large card pools. 2c and monocolour decks tend to build themselves based on your available card pool, but as you add more colours, you need more cards to make it work.

But, you can't really go wrong with any of the precons. They'll at minimum have many useful cards if you get a colour you're interested in, and some of them are pretty strong out of the box. If you want to build something silly from scratch, I have a very cheap volrath reanimator deck that is incredibly strong late game. The theory is simple: ramp into volrath, discard a fattie, laugh as you hit them really hard and reanimate said fattie. I also have a lazav wheel deck that does things like memory jar with sphinx's tutelage and waste not, or Mindcrank with duskmantle guild mage and reanimated mindleech mass.

>>51019998
That's why you also run Dictate of Erebos. And also play B/w/x so you can play Martyr's Bond. And Attrition. The fun never ends until you make it end!

>>51016080
Thanks duderino

>>51019442
Everyone in my play group has come tot the conclusion that the best move when someone plays this is to kill the person who played it and not screw each other over too much or else you just hand the game over.

>>51019904
just noticed this guy can't sac himself. dropped, into the trash it goes, etc.

>>51018842
It would be very painful

>>51019904
Yahenni should have been RB(1), that way you can build a strange mix of Zurgo and Ashling, where you have an indestructible commander that attacks while playing cards like Chandra's Ignition so you start mass burning down the board to keep Yahenni growing while punching while also making them huge.

Red gives you mass burn=power cards and goblin generators to feed Yahenni, Black gives you grave pact effects and other control elements.

It would have been actually very interesting, and perfect for Rakdos, but instead they are doing a cycle of mono colored generals so fuck that nonsense. In mono black its now just a new variant of Ob Nixilis, Unshackled as a "Killstuff to get big" voltron card. Not as interesting and doesn't really feed any thing new.

Best thing about him is that its a condition less sac outlet in the command zone for cheap, so that's a thing I guess.

>>51020457
4U

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>>51020457

>>51020473
rakdos already has two shitty vampire legends so i guess there's a reason why they didn't make him rakdos

gonti was a very good fanservice card for edh. they actually tried to fix monoblacks problem of being unable to deal with enchantments and artifacts without using shit like karn and so on. sadly he turned out a little weak

Just how good IS Dack Fayden? Worth picking up to slap in whatever, or is he more niche?

I mean, even just stealing a rock must be decent for 3 mana, right?

>>51020558
If his Etb ablity also triggered on Combat damage to a player or when he attacked, he would be so much better.

>>51020585
He's very useful and is played in multiple formats. 3 mana to steal an artifact permanently is really good deal, usually regardless of what artifact it is.

>>51020585
i once scooped in response to someone stealing my burnished hart with him

to be fair i had been waiting for the land to cast that hart for the past 3 turns or something

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What can you do to slow people down in Abzan colours?

I'm running a Ghave deck, and while it's very powerful t4 or later, after the first few games people focus the full brunt of their aggro on me, and it just can't keep up. I have wraths, I have a variety of spot removal, I have a few little shits, but the problem is, most of my 2 drops are combo pieces, so I'm hesitant to play them early, and sometimes the choice is between playing ghave blindly into the board so I can combo him off next turn, or straight up pulling all his counters off for a bunch of chump blockers. I just need something to let me control the board a little better before I combo off, or something that lets me absorb a shitload of damage so I can wrath people, then combo off.

So, Yaheeni seems like a fine commander for a Mono-black control, I might try it at the helm of my deck, even though I really doubt he'd edge Erebos

Sram might be fine, though it's weird to play Voltron with a commander who's not made to swing in to the fences, though the Card advantage is a godsend for any monowhite

Rikshar might be fun for a ramp deck, it might be interesting. I'd definitly put it into a UG deck in the 99, but at the helm, it might be a bit tricky for the build-around.

>>51020585
worst case scenario you steal a mana rock

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Commander > Other games >'Frontier' > Modern > Legacy > Fecal matter > Standard

>>51020794
EDH is really the pinnacle of magic, its a shame modern and legacy make card prices so stupidly high on some stuff

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>>51017063

Hey guys, I want to get into commander and I put a thing together and want to know what I can add/remove to make it better. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-uEF-zombies/

>>51011865
BlackBlade equipment when?

>>51021110
Well, there's a lot of bad stuff in there, but there's also some pretty neat things. gimme some time and I'll come up with something

>>51021110
>37 creatures
>32 land
Fix that. You want at least 35 lands, MINIMUM, and even then it will be pretty janky. 40 is usually the comfort zone unless you're ramping really really hard.

I'll take a look at the rest of your deck and let you know what I think.

>>51020989
>how to lose friends and make turns take 30 minutes each for just one mana

>>51021110
Cut-
Dead Reveler
Drunau Corpse Trawler
Forlorn Pseudamma
I'd think about cutting Havengul Runebinder if he doesn't playtest well
Lilianna's Elite
Maalfed Twins
Necromaster Dragon
Polluted Dead
Rakshasha Gravecaller
Sanguine Guard
Stitcher Geralf
I'd probably cut Zombie Master
Gisa's Bidding
Moan of the Unhallowed
possibly Syphon Flesh
Caged Sun, I never run it in 2 or more colors
Manalith
Dimir Cluestone
Waste Not, it's not doing anything for your deck

Add:
Conspiracy/Xenograft/Ashes of the fallen, to turn your non-zombie creatures into zombies
add 5 land, 37 is the sweet spot for lands
I'd run Grimgrin in the 99
Diregraf Colossus is a good lord since you seem to love tokens
Door of Destinies is a fantastic tribal card, get it.
Shriekmaw and Noxious Gearhulk is good and effective removal, especially if you have Conspiracy-effect to be able to recur it from the graveyard
Possibly Oversold Cemetary if you like having creatures in hand
Rise of the Dark Realms for a finisher
Dictate of Erebos is a good card, and possibly Grave Pact if you think you can handle BBB.
Erebos and Whip of Erebos are also solid black cards

>>51021332
Also, I forgot Gravecrawler. Never forget Gravecrawler

>>51021210
>>51021110
So I playtested a little bit and took a look to see if I could improve anything. You have a TON of cards above 4cmc, but get frequently land fucked. I'd suggest things that even out your curve and manafix for you. Burnished Hart, Sword of the Animist, Darksteel Ingot, and the like could really help you out. This deck also looks like it could use an Ashnod's.

I personally dislike those panorama cards because they require mana to manafix for you, which means you're either giving up versatility, or board control to use them. You're running a lot of devotion-intensive creatures, which means mana of the right colour will often be more important than just lots of mana, and you usually need swamps, so consider things like gilded lotus, and dark ritual/cabal ritual/cabal coffers.

While rooftop storm and Gissa and Geralf seems like it's a spicy combo, note that G&G says "you may cast a Zombie creature..." which means exactly one. You also have basically no card draw, and black has an excellent suite of things like read the bones/sign in blood/ambition's cost/night's whisper/phyrexian arena.

My recommendation? Ditch the blue, pick up a Lim-Dul for like $1 and run a monoblack zombie tribal with gravepact style effects. Try to keep a balance between removal, ramp, card draw, and zombies. You can't win if you run out of gas, and you're going to have a bad time if you cant remove your opponent's threats. You're lucky, zombies are fairly versatile, and can recur themselves, while also removing other things.

>>51021390
>>51021362
>>51021332
Thank you! I'll see what I can do.

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Oh My, That's actually something very interesting

>>51021651

HNNGGGGG...

I'm cumming so hard right now.

>>51021651
delete this

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>>51018274
What sorcery is this?

>>51021651
Man, counter tribal finally got their lord.

Too bad Talrand is a much better commander for it though.

>>51021651
>2 mana
>1/3
>complete bullshit ability
Thanks Wizards, it's not like counterspells.dek is the single most bitched about thing in EDH or anything. I'm going to build this guy just to hatefuck anyone who dreams of fun.

>>51021732
well yea, but Talrand is more expensive and slighlty more fragile. and doesn't reduce the casting cost of instant and sorceries.

This shit is dope

>>51019682
Mana Confluence too

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>>51021785
Mana confluence doesn't deal damage.

This, on the other hand, is some spicy Darien tech

>>51021811
>1 white mana
>3 soldier tokens
>for the low price of 3 health

that's a spicy meat ball

Holy shit I love Protean Hydra, why don't more people run it with shenanigans decks?

>toss out protean hydra with hardened scales, paying 2G so that it's a 3/3
>global -1/-1 effect
>now it's a 5/5 at my endstep
>next turn, cast solidarity of heroes, it's an 11/11
>slam it into my opponent, he blocks with everything, leaving protean hydra with 2 counters left
>It's now a 21/21
>next turn, rev up the ol' Ghave
>at my end step protean hydra is hilariously large, I have a full board of 1/1s and I didn't even have to touch Ghave's dirty counters or combo off
>swing with my giant hydra and overwhelming stampede on my next turn
>deflecting palm.jpeg

>>51021651
>Turns all my cancels into counterspells

oh snap

>>51021651
Wizard tribal just got a whoooooole lot more disgusting.

>>51022247
Counterspells that loots.

>>51021651
He's everything I've ever hoped for.

>>51022280
Fuck its like they mono-blue commander that I always wanted.

>>51021651

Is he a decent High Tide Combo Commander?

>>51022510
Yes. Better than jvp? Probably not.

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So I am thinking of making pic related, outside of anthems, vehicles and R/W goodstuff what else do I need?

>>51015922
Someone once asked me at my lgs about elfball and I quickly wrote down a list on paper for selvala
I saw him about a year later and his deck pieces were in his trade binder. I asked him why and he said it had been far too good
I can try to remake that list if you wish

>>51021651
>>51021651

Who here just found his Husbando?

Also, theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

>>51022582
Infinite mana combo and artifact tutors, probably some X burn spells so you might actually win.

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>it's snowing like a bastard outside
>people want me to go to my flgs and play magic
>but I really REALLY don't want to walk my fat ass anywhere
What kind of pizza would lure people to my house for EDH, and realistically how much beer would you need for 3 other people? I'm thinking a large pepperoni, a large cheese, and a 24?

>>51023052
You need two large pizzas to feed a total of 4 people!?!?!

Just ask them if they want to come through if you are relatively close to your LGS, don't lure them like they are animals you autist.

>>51023052
>>51023052

You gotta assume each person will eat 3ish slices. Two pizzas about sounds right.

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>>51023150
Have you seen outside? This is clearly a macro image I made, but it's what it unironically looks like.

Also, I can eat an extra large with chicken wings, a 2L coke and fries by myself. Am I proud of it? A little, but I'm also a little ashamed so it balances out.

>>51023189
So what you're saying is, if the ratio is greater than 3 slices per person, people will be well fed? That's good to know. What other beverages should I acquire? I normally offer people coffee or tea in any of a variety of flavours, but I think I need a little extra pizazz. Perhaps home made apple tarts?

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>pizza with cards

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>>51023052
If you just say there's free pizza 99 times out of 100 people will just go to the place with the free pizza.
Also, this is the most autistic thing I've read on here all week.

>>51023340
What do you eat with card games? Beef Jerky? Crackers and cheese?

>>51020648

Your question doesn't really make sense to me

You say you have spot removal and board wipes but you can't use them in the early turns? What is the point of having these things if you aren't able to use them to disrupt your opponents?

How are you dying that quickly to combat damage anyway?

The answer might be actually that you need more ramp so that you spend less time with not enough mana to do anything useful

>>51021161
I can go with that. Get some "poor fucking humans" up in here, with a touch of "my master is my slave" for seasoning.

>>51023495
Grapes are good, as are most berries, not raspberries though. A vegetable plate is also decent and cheese is good as well.

>>51023656
all that juice!
>>51023495
i keep my damn hands clean

>>51023299
If you didn't play like a twat and offered me pizza I would gladly come play my goofy edh decks at your house. Apple tarts would be even nicer, and strike me as some sort of bizare luck on my side.

>>51023708
Juice is in your mouth, if you are spraying it everywhere there is something wrong with how you eat.

>>51023603
Oh, I can answer that one.

I use a lot of instants and sorceresses, particularly for card draw and ramp. This leads to me having a more-or-less empty board state with occasional chump in place. Ordinarily, I'd build a deck where I trade and chump block until I can drop something giant, then win through value. Since Ghave is more combo-focused, I wind up either taking 2-3 turns of unimpeded damage, or completely giving up board control.

The problem is, my removal is excellent, but slow. Right now I'm using Wrath of God, Languish, Merciless Eviction, Mortify, Putrefy, Vindicate and Tribute to the Wild, which means by the time I'm using what I need, there have already been a few turns of unimpeded play.

What I'm finding is I spend the first 4 turns ramping, manafixing, and drawing cards, then I combo off t5-t8, but I don't really swing with anything during that time. It's mostly just sitting there until I do something crazy with it.

>>51023792

If I were to pick a snack to eat playing Magic I'd probably go with mexican food.

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>>51023761
Well, you're in luck. I run a wide variety of janky decks in every colour imaginable.

Tell you what, I'll give you a legendary tip for the easiest apple tarts ever:

Anon's Bitchin' Effortless Tarts:
>Go to the store, buy some of those premade pie shells, but the smaller ones for like tarts and things.
>Pick out 3-7 fancy apples at your store. Go for things that are unusual and taste good. For example, I last used Empire Apples, and they were fucking great, but I've used Pink Lady apples, granny smith, and others to equal effect. Just don't cheap out on this part.
>When you get home, peel and chop that shit, then put it in a bowl.
>Add 1 cup white sugar, 1 cup brown sugar, half a cup flour, table spoon of cinnamon
>mix with your hands until that shit looks like pie filling
>cook the shells as per the directions on the box
>slap the filling in them
>stick them back in the oven for as long as you'd like. I've had varying success depending on how liquidy your apple filling is, but usually 15-20 minutes is fine
>put the rest of the filling in the freezer for later

And boom, you'll have kick ass tarts every time on a small budget. The same thing can be applied to other fillings too. I recently made raspberry tarts for my playgroup the same way, swapping the brown sugar and cinnamon out for confectioners sugar.

Are there any other pseudo instant commanders like Derevi?

>>51019904
it's bad IMO

>>51024093
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[Flash]+![Flashback]&type=+[Legendary]+[creature]

>>51020794
While I agree with commander being the best, the rest of your list is all fucked up

>>51021651
It's ok, that second effect would be good if it just drew a card

>>51024093
Vendilion Clique if you want to be as spikey and possible

>>51024093
Venser, Shaper's Savant is pretty annoying.

>>51024164
>>51024221
>>51024262
I think he means something with a similar effect.
>>51024093
Derevi is the only commander that has an activated ability from the command zone to put it into play.

If you are just looking to circumvent commander tax then you either build Zurgo Bellstriker or Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury.

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>>51024093

Should Tooth and Nail be banned? it feels disgusting. I run it in Temur Combo/ Control and it feels absolutely dirty to just say oh hey if this resolves I kill the whole table.

>>51024354
If you get to 9 mana and your opponents can't stop the Tooth and Nail or whatever creature-based combo you pull, then you deserve to win. Not saying that's it's not an overpowered card, just that it's a fair wincon.

>>51024303
>>51024221
>>51024262
Yes! commanders that are basically instant spells in the command zone, but I'm willing to pay tax when I play Derevi

>>51014561
Sounds awful.

Should I put Archive Trap back into Lazav, I feel my playgroup is getting better and tutoring a bit more but I can't decide if its worth cutting something like Startled Awake or Keening Stone for.

It is a multiplayer deck but activating a trap card for free would be pretty fun.

If I snapcaster Archive Trap after someone tutors it should still be free right?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lazav-clone-shark/

how to save krenko from being a moon/general blue hate.

he's my favorite right now and i dont wanna go gruul for blue fucking.

Alright /edh/, I'm bored and I will be more than happy to provide you with:

>a name for a deck that you're working on
and
>a brief "quote" pertaining to that name you can shout out while you play

Example?

Lately there's been lots of talk about Ghave, so I'd call it "Cradle 2 the Ghave", "Ghave Encounters", or "Flava-Ghave". When you win, you can yell out "Ghave you herpes!" and when you lose, you can be like "Ghave you that one."

>>51024667
I'll bite.

I'm running Uril and new Avacyn.

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>>51024164
>Masako
thanks anon

>>51022550

I think it's better than jvp, jvp does nothing until you untap, you can play this guy and storm off with your 3 mana turnabouts and 5 mana time spirals all in one turn

Your merchant scroll gets your high tide for only 1 mana

And the whole time your looting away lands so you don't fizzle

>>51024514
When you play that card you open your asshole to every single copy spell in the game. If you win with it your deserve it.

>>51023824

Post your list so I can understand the issue better, maybe you have too many durdly combo pieces

A token deck in removal colors shouldn't be vulnerable to combat damage of all things

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>>51019231
I don't know but I can tell you that Jor Kadeen is a Char

>>51020794
Limited goes between commander and frontier you silly.

>>51020794
Lmao no anon,
Legacy = EDH > limited > modern > fecal matter > standard > frontier.

>>51024814

I mean I guess that's a concern

Haven't seen many decks that have a tooth and nail instant win but also run fork effects

>>51024751
Oh I got this. Uril was kind of hard, so here's what I came up with:

>"Uril-y?" (sounds like o'rly?)
>Chips and Dip because the first time is perfection, but if you have to dip twice, it's probably game over. Also, something something doublestrike.
>"The Tighty Whitey Mighty Fighty"
>"Uril-utang Gang Bang"
When you win, you can say "Another slobberknocker for the mist stalker!"

Archangel Avacyn

>Avacyn Maneuvers
>Avacyn Grace
>Archangel of Anguish
>"I didn't have a mardu commander"
>Archangel Wrangle Tangle Bojangle
When you win, you can say "By the powers invested in me, I now pronounce you out of luck."

>>51024609
>If I snapcaster Archive Trap after someone tutors it should still be free right?
No, you can apply only one alternative cost to any one spell. If you want to use Snapcaster Mage to cast Archive Trap from your graveyard, you have to choose the flashback cost.

>>51024882
Sure, take a look. I have a pretty solid library of cards available, but no doubling season. The mana base is just whatever I had lying around. I was also thinking something about buffing the saproling tokens, but I've never really built a combo deck, or a token deck before.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/forage-through-the-fungus/

>>51024930
>Legacy
>Good

If I wanted to watch reruns all day I would subscribe to netflix.

>>51025008
Darn, probably not too worth it then.

>>51025041
I mean you could still do it relatively early with a good hand and land.

>Someone tutors
>LolTrapCard
>LolSnapCast
>LolTrapCard
That is only 26 cards for 7 mana but it could be separate targets and is two different instances for lazav to transform.
When there are multiple instances of milling good Lazav players will clone abilities they can activate on the stack inbetween the next instance of transformation.

>>51019442
>faggots with no imagineation play the same cards as each other

get original

>>51025016

I mean looking at your list, my first thought is definitely not "this deck loses to combat damage", you have a pretty good number of 2-5 cmc creatures

I would say that you have a concerning lack of token production, with tons of token payoff cards that need tokens in play to be good

I would cut all the hydras and other medium size creatures that don't interact with ghave and replace them with token production like awakening zone, bitterblossom, deranged hermit, and even stuff like raise the alarm perhaps

That should give you more early chump blockers while also better supporting your ability to play a turn 3-4 blood spore Thrinax and things like that that want sac fodder

Another option, considering that you're not running doubling season or parallel lives, is to go with self recurring creatures instead of tokens, so kitchen finks, reassembling skelly, perhaps a scrapheap scrounger, although you kind of need to support scrounger with really cheap sac fodder like blisterpod, young wolf, butcher ghoul,nest invader, etc

I had a ghave deck built once, and one of the more powerful combos in the deck was ghave + (Ashnod's altar or Earthcraft) + (young wolf or butcher ghoul) + (doubling season or hardened scales)

>>51024939
Any GRx deck can bust Purphoros/Avenger out of a Reverberate, but not all of them run the three I would had I such deck.

>>51025478

Right, they definitely COULD run all 3 of those, but fork/reverberate is not a super popular card and I usually see it make the 99 only in spellslinger decks

Not saying that's right or wrong, just making an observation

Would be cool reverberate your own tooth and nail tho lol

>>51025565
Yeah, but as we see if can copy another player's Tooth and Nail or your own. On a deck were I planned winning through T&N I would definitely include some sort of copying it. Dualcaster Mage at least if it's a creature-centered deck.

>>51025386
>I would say that you have a concerning lack of token production, with tons of token payoff cards that need tokens in play to be good
You sniped it. That's exactly what's wrong with my deck and I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

Now, I do have a Parallel Lives lying around, if I were to go the token route, what things should be put in? I have From Beyond in a pile somewhere, I really should buy an awakening zone, and bitterblossom is on my list of things I need to acquire. Would things like Pathbreaker Ibex and Overwhelming Stampede work in a token deck?

Anyways, here's what I've picked out so far to get cut.

Obvious Cuts:
>Managorger Hydra
>Mistcutter Hydra
>Heroes Bane
>Forgotten Ancient
>Behold the Beyond (way too mana intensive, and I don't have the recursion to double down with it)

Cards I'm on the fence about:
>Festercreep
>White Mike

Cards I should cut, but probably wont:

>Emrakul's Evangel
I believe this card just gets better and better the more tokens are in play. Turning 1/1 durdlers into 3/2s seems pretty good, and it gets me the sac trigger for Mazirek, though it is a hold-over from a Mazirek combo deck.

>Kalonian Hydra
It will never swing, but it's a great way to draw some removal away from Ghave and other combo components.

>Verdurous Gearhulk
Same as the hydra, plus I don't really have anywhere else to use him. He seems very... winmore despite being an 8/8 trample for 5.

>>51024659
Those red counterspells, Price of glory and conquer's flail are The only ways I can think of.

>>51024667
Ruhan is my only deck right now, I'm really new to edh and magic in general.

>>51024551

Seems awesome to me, aggro is actually a thing instead of the durdle fest of multiplayer edh, and the mtgtop8 stats make it seem like there's a lot of room for customization even among the top tier decks, let alone among the people just playing at lower budget, but still reasonably competitive, level

>>51024939
you havent seen a temr deck reverberate buyback multiple entwined tooth and nails from somebody elses cast and play half their deck.

>>51025669
Ruhan eh? That's pretty neat.

>Ruhan, of the Spaghetti
>Formori Fireworks
>Fists of Formori
>Hit Me With Your Best Shot
>Broken Clock Beatdown As in, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and he attacks randomly, or something.
>Collateral Damage/Blind Fury/Things Went Better Than Expected

Whenever you win, you can yell "JUSTICE IS BLIND".

>>51025606

From beyond is good, zone and blossom are of course staples, and I think blossom has been on the down tick price wise

You can definitely run overrun cards, those are already reasonable in your list and get better with more token production, but if you're already cutting stuff for tokens, you might not have room for them without cutting even more stuff, so you may prefer to go more token combo than token overrun

I think you've picked out some good cuts, another cut I would consider for you is that white outlast/bolster enchantment, unless it's a pet card of yours

I actually like keeping the verdurous gearhulk because it turns on some of your cute +1/+1 counter tech like that one that draws cards for each creature with a +1/+1 counter, and it's also nice with persist creatures

I would say definitely consider adding a few efficient cards that put multiple bodies into play at once like raise the alarm or deranged hermit, they are good early on to set up a board, and they are good late to set up some massive triggers with stuff like juniper ranger, evangel, and such

>>51025800
Thanks anon, that was very helpful. I'll update my list and post things later today to see if it's any better. Ophiomancer needed a good home anyways, and I do have 2 spare cauldron of souls.

Now, with Gleam of Authority , the idea in my head is that for 1W I get to turn Ghave into a 10/10, or go wide and buff something small so that it distracts from my fancier things. If it gave trample, I could see justifying it, but it's more cute than it is practical.

How do you feel about Elesh Norn? I don't know what I could cut to cram it in there, but I have one saved specifically for a token deck. Armorcraft Judge is another thing that will draw me cards based on how many creatures have +1/+1 counters, but it didn't make the cut originally because it was 4 mana on a soft body.

Finally, if I am going token, I have a spare Grave Pact and Butcher of Malakir. I know they're really strong in decks that involve sacrificing things, but with my shitty mana base, I worry that I'm never going to have the right devotion, and butcher of malakir is definately suboptimal. No dictate of Erebos unfortunately, but that's a different issue.

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Is based Narset the most balanced commander ever to be conceived?

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Hahaha, oh yes. My pillowforts have become even stronger.

>>51026313
>7 mana 5/5 flying that's completely useless in every other situation
Meh/10. It'll be hyped, but it's not very good. Replacement effects also don't count as lifegain.

>>51026313
Fun fact

in 1v1 this doesn't stop alternate win conditions (Barren glory, aria, etc) from ending the game.

in multiplayer it does though

>>51026313
You still die to infect and commander damage just the same.

All you have to do is remove a pretty easily removed creature before going in for a kill.

Still will see some play but its hardly great.

This will be great for BW/X decks that can use life as a resource then kills themselves to dig more.

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How can I make edh more chaotic and fun. What other spells can cause massive mind fuckery like Possibility Storm + Teferis Puzzle Box but also become fun for the whole board? Or only myself

>>51026391
Warp World
Great Aurora


Go ham, and ruin everyone else's day

I'm going to dig through half my deck with her and necropotence

>>51026787
There's a new thread anon.

>>51026928
link?