EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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>>50979534
1st for your favorite spicy meatball

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are the full art lands allowed?

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>>50979667
I dont discriminate as long as the art is awesome.

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My go to plains.

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if your lands aren't hand-picked from your collection, you're doing it wrong.

I look for good looking lands.

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>>50979681
>>50979689
why is WU the best

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>>50979724
This right here. I love to have each basic be different and something I really like.

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What should I go for first when pimping out a deck?
Masterpiece mana crypt or masterpiece sol ring? Or should I go for another foil/old sol ring variant?

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>>50979534
I have been seeing khans fetchlands at all record lows right now, not crazy low but alot cheaper than they were in eldrazi winter.

My store has like 3 deltas at least a set of windswepts and a set of floodeds

I can afford them in about 9 days and the store never moves singles anyways, like they are still displaying painlands and oath uncommons.

If i wait the 9 days am i at any risk of fetches sky rocketing again because of frontier?
I some how doubt they will move too much in price.

What i would like to do is between now and march is buy a set of 5 of all of them.
The reasoning is i bought all 5 c16 decks, and i could either put them in those, or in the future use them to build frontier/modern decks as lands is usually the most expensive and important part.

I know the c16 decks arent competitive but i dont have direction time or (extra) money to take them in a different path.
Ill work on them in my own time.

Tl;dr: should i act and buy lgs fetch lands or wait for pay day?

I thought about selling my 5.1 surround system i could get at least 100$ for it, could buy other stuff too.

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If you wanna search for land art use

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>>50979681
I hate that island it's the worst. There's some weird grid in the sky and it's just a mess of blues. 404 island not found.

>>50979842
Also lol they are trying to charge 18$ usd for a satin tower and msrp for a booster box, with little prize support and they wonder why people arent showing up to fnm.

Things look a bit grim, but hopefully our mtg community doesn't die off.

>>50979869
because its on Esper which is literally controlled so hard that even the weather and terrain is controlled.

my favorite land is probably the foil full art bucket island

>>50979842
Do you plan on using the fetches for 60 card or edh? If you don't have current ideas I wouldn't go for the fetches of colors you haven't made yet. Fetches are only used in commander because of the "deck thinning" meme or if you have dual lands or shock lands.

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Steven Belledin forests for me.
Karl Kopinski mountains.

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My personal favorite island

>Do you ever buy old sealed product?

Nope, last sealed of any product I bought was emn booster box and pulled 3 lilis and emrakul. I sold them off after the price spike and started buying singles of anything I want/need

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>>50980066
Nice. I use that island and pic related in my Simic deck.

>>50980007
I will get 2 type lands (maybe shock maybe other) soon.
I just dont feel like eating 30 cans of beans for the month of January and thats it.

>Do you buy old sealed product ever?

I bought the Meren precon a few weeks ago but I don't think that really counts. Other than that I build old boxes to draft with my m8s sometimes but nothing crazy like an Urza box.

>>50979854
this should be added to the OP

>>50980158
Don't feel forced into buying them anon. Acquire them as you are able to, once you get ones you want then work on acquiring shocks

>>50980158
honestly they are not necessary, i can count on one hand the amount of times having all the fancy lands has mattered

How do you handle basics in your EDH decks?
Do you
>make sure every basic is the same basic, and match sets or blocks
>make sure every basic is the same basic, but different types don't need to be from the same set or block
>make sure every basic comes from the same set or block, but don't need to be identical art
>make sure you only use two or three different arts for each type of basic, from the same set/block
>make sure you only use two or three different arts for each type of basic, from any set/block
>use all the basics in your types from a certain set/block
>hand-pick a bunch of different basics regardless of set/block
>grab from a mixed pile of lands like a filthy goblin

Also, do you
>try to find lands that match the theme of your deck, such as using lands that feature buildings and structures exclusively, or similar features, and so on,
>try to find lands that look fairly similar to each other, be that within each type or having all your basics share a similar look
>pick your favorite lands regardless of how they mesh together
>have no cohesive theming whatsoever

>use two or three different arts for each type, regardless of set/block
and
>attempt to theme lands as much as possible
reporting in.

>>50980300
i usually just throw in random basics in from what i have. i only put in specific ones in my "signature" decks

>>50980293
Just scared with frontier maybe becoming a real thing that they might go to 30 each in another months time.
I doubt frontier will take off hard but its a real possibility.

>>50980348
frontier wont become a thing but if it does it should only affect pain, check, man, and half the fetch lands. none of which are that expensive

Any good grave-theme lands for other colors besides black?
I want to hunt down foils to match thematically with my graveborn swamps.

Usually, I just build off of precons, so it goes by set for me.

>>50980386
Yeah, maybe plains that are deserts with bones or forests that are covered in decay? Also what swamps ya usin?

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>>50980386
>>50980460
This one is really cool

>>50979534
What's your top five wishes for cards to be (re)printed this year?
>5- Enemy Odyssey Filterlands
>4.- Enemy Mirage SlowFetchlands.
>3.- Enemy Battlelands
>2.- Enemy Talismans
>1.- Enemy Fetchlands reprint.

I dream of economically-viable mana fixing

>>50980460
I'm using lands from the premium series graveborn deck.
http://magiccards.info/pd3/en/29.html

>>50980485
i wouldnt mind some of the tutors being reprinted or some board wipes

>>50980386
Black and green usually do most graveyard stuff.

Black creates zombies and horror and brings them back from grave, and cares most about what is in there but typically weaker support creatures. It kills basically anything too.
Green puts alot of things into the graveyard and sometimes cares whats in there but makes huge dudes.
Blue draws you alot of cards and can mill your opponent or fill up your grave somewhat but blue is really more about the spells. Has a handful of good creatures.

There is a commander 2015 precon that is heavily based on killing and saccing and when shit dies other shit happens.

>>50979842
Pretty much nobody in the "investing" community is buying fetchlands right now because they "know" ZEN fetchlands are being reprinted before 2019 and zero-three years is not enough to make a profit on them.

The people who (correctly) swear "it's all about the fetch", already got their stock back when Windswept could be had for 5.99.

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Véronique Meignaud's is pretty cool too but this is definitely the best full-art plains.

>>50980300
If possible, play the sweetest land arts possible. Otherwise make sure they all match. My tightest mana base runs two of this plains, an Unhinged plains, a foil Unhinged swamp, three of the Zendikar ring mountain (Russian, English, and English Foil) and one Zendikar cliff mountain just because it's Japanese. I need to get an Unhinged mountain to replace that one.

>>50980300
Urza lands have the best art, so I usually get all of them with the exact same art...at least for the two decks I regularly pilot. Anything else gets random stuff.

Always go with the best looking art because in a 5 player game, you'll be staring at your mana a lot.

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>>50980300
Matching set/theme if possible. Sometimes a set's lands are just garbage. All matching arts.

Pic related, newest project.

If not, the default is Noah Bradley full arts.

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Does it have to be basic lands? I would give a sizable sum of money for a playmat of this land.

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>>50979854
Holy wow. These islands have never been printed in a black border and that is a sin.

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>>50980300
>make sure every basic is the same basic, and match sets or blocks
Yes

>>try to find lands that match the theme of your deck, such as using lands that feature buildings and structures exclusively, or similar features, and so on
Yes

9/10 of my decks have foil full-arts from BfZ, and make sure all arts are from the same artist cycle within each deck. (So a RUG deck plays all same art islands, forests, mountains by Noah Bradley)

The one deck that doesn't have foil full arts runs Izzet League MPS lands, because you can't go more flavorful than that in an Izzet deck.

>>50980661
Inked playmats will make whatever the fuck you want, just upload an image and pay.

>>50980300
I usually try to match the lands to the theme/commander of the deck. Usually end up with a couple different artworks though I'm not opposed to all of them being the same if I can't find a good matching variety. For example. all of the wastes in my Kozilek/Karn deck are of the bismuth looking one. Speaking of which, I finally managed to foil those out. I probably should have prioritized more essential pieces for other decks but I'll be damned if they don't look sweet.

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>>50980300
I'll admit to grabbing a bunch of random lands when I first build a deck, but I usually change the basics out for foils with nice art. The only exception is my Kozilek deck, where all the Wastes are pic related.

>>50980746
Not high enough quality print of the art unfortunately otherwise I would've done it.

>>50980485
Primarily a legacy player, but I like edh for me its

5. Filter lands
4. Enemy "battle" lands
3. Check lands
2. Tribak support
1. Print shit that is actually played in modern/legacy instead of shoving junk in "masters" sets

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>>50980485
>5. Snapcaster Mage
>4. Enemy battlelands
>3. Cool new commanders I want to build
>2. Zendikar fetchlands
>1. Damnation already fucking please Wizards

>>50980661
Any land is fine, and I agree with you about the art on Nimbus Maze.

>>50980485
>Hoof Daddy
>Abzan Elf Commander (That is good, hopefully)
>Doubling Season
>Rishadan Port
>Phyrexian Altar
I like going big and stupid in commander, and Port in a commander precon would demolish the price if they kept it in stock

>>50980485
Your list sounds pretty good already. I'll also take a path to exile reprint.

>>50980300
Every deck I got, the basics I have for each deck, I made sure they have different arts. It didnt matter which edition they came from.

I did made sure to have at least 2 FART lands for each color the deck has also.

>>50979534
The Euro lands really are gorgeous.

What's their deal? Why are they so expensive?

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>>50980300

>every basic land the goddamn same
pic related

>lands match a set, theme, or feel
godtier

>random ass lands with exactly one white border to tilt peoples autism
elder chaos god tier

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>>50981652
>>>random ass lands with exactly one white border to tilt peoples autism
YOU SUMBITCH

>>50979622
That is one spicy meatball for ETB effects, especially in something like a Breya deck.

>>50981782
i have nightmares of torpor orb hitting my etb deck

>>50980664
5th Ed motherfucker! I use those in my VERY old Dream Tides/Sleight of Mind/Falcon-Tim creature-lock deck. It's not great but it'ss so satisfying when it does work that I can't not keep it together. Otherwise, since the deck was built aread Zephyr and Bay Falcons (Vigilant Birds are KEY), I'd pull them and the Mirage Islands for my Teferi Turns decks.

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I just put together this picture of all the basics in my Hazezon deck. I have 5 of each type, it goes mountain, forest, plains in columns.

>>50982345
>based Avon Forest

I fucking love that one, Onslaught era lands were so damn nice.

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This right here is my favorite swamp art

>>50982345
Shadowmoor plains are so beautiful

To the guy in the previous thread who couldn't wrap his mind about "having to reveal targeted cards in his graveyard":
Your graveyard is open information. Any player can at any given moment ask to browse the entire graveyard of any other player. When you target cards in your graveyard, you announce what cards you are targeting as you cast the spell, before it resolves. Other players may then respond by for example removing those cards from the graveyard (Scavenging Ooze).

>>50981652
time to become an elder chaos god.

>>50982684
yo which swamp is that?

>>50983733
>not having memorized all good card artworks
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=40112

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>>50979534
Not really old but the art on some of the archenemy lands is pretty sweet.

>>50981173
>>>1. Damnation already fucking please Wizards

they can't print that because it would piss off the (((collectors))). after all, the secondary market matters more than playing the game

>>50983979
Can you imagine how pissed off collectors would be over a zendikar fetchland reprint?

I hope they reprint them in a set that won't cost 9.99$ a pack so they drop to the same price as khans fetches.

>>50980300
>How do you handle basics in your EDH decks?
>Do you

I am a filthy goblin. Lately I've been replacing all of my basics with BFZ full art basic lands. For the most part I don't give a crap about basic land art.

>Also, do you

I have neither the inclination or patience to be so autistic over basic lands.

>and

No.

>>50981652
>random ass lands with exactly one white border to tilt peoples autism

I like your style.

those of you playing gitgud monster: post your list please

>>50984008
It's unlikely that it will be reprinted, because it was in a special kind of block. Same reason why we probably never see Riggers, Gravestorm or Transfigure among the million keywords the set had unless wizards runs out of ideas.
I don't really care for that exact reprint, I would like a new Time Spiral block.
Besides, Damnation has had two reprints already if I recall, Judge promo and the full art foil thing.

Could baby chandra be a viable commander?
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=398422

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>>50981652
>>50981695

I need to make a few of these.

So my brother-in-law heard I play Magic with my friends and got me some great cards for my Lazav deck.

My problem is that my group has only been playing for about a year and we don't have tournament winning decks and if I put the good cards in I might become the archenemy at the table.

(He got me a Snapcaster Mage, Briber, Reanimate and Mesmeric Orb)

Can just a few cards really push your deck to an unfair level? My friends are all still playing with jank decks and updated precons that each probably cost ~$100 on tapped out.

>>50984434
No those cards won't push it too far

>>50984434
A snapcaster mage won't push your deck into archenemy terrority. Building a prison deck will.

>>50984600
Thanks, some people in my group still complain that Magic is "pay2win" and essentially doubling my decks value seemed spooky.

I already know I am going to cast something like Bribery and everyone will roll their eyes because it isn't a $1 card.

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>>50980300
>make sure every basic is the same basic, and match sets or block
Usually hard to do, but I have dozens of pic related to stuff in my red decks. Damn, it's sexy.

Otherwise, I'll do 2-3 different arts all from the same set.

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>>50980300
I always make sure they fit the theme, for my new Vorinclex Deck i ordered a bunch of the panorama forests from Scars.

>>50984641
Tell them to grow up then, do you play with 14 year olds or something?

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How shit is my deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/olivia-voldarens-whacky-wombats-and-combats/

Looking to make it more fun and able to win. Not opposed to spending a few bucks. I guess the main idea is to kill whatever opponents drop and win with my stuff. Or steal theirs

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>>50980300
I usually pick out my lands to be either sweet old foils or on-theme for my commanders plane. I feel like in a format full of staples and core cards basics are often the best way to express yourself within your deck. Here's my casual grixis flashback deck, Slobad EDH and Melek EDH basics. I couldn't get a good shot on my potato phone of them all so i just cropped them together.

>>50984785
doesn't look too bad for casual edh. here are changes to consider

add:
>myriad landscape
>ashnod's altar and maybe a few more sac outlets (so you can sac your shit when olivia dies)
>maybe a few good threaten effects and threaten effect synergy (bazaar trader) to provide redundancy and synergy with olivia's gimmick. no idea if that would work though
>grave betrayal
>exsanguinate

remove:
>flametongue kavu
>chainer's edict
>tragic slip
>starstorm

>>50984771
Nah we are all in our mid twenties but have only been playing for almost a year now and have kept our decks all at a similar power level as we slowly build them.

>>50984785
I dig your deck name.

>>50984872
Thanks for the suggestions!

Sac outlet is a definite must. I was thinking Viscera Seer but it might just die from my own hand.

Grave Betrayal is amazing, no excuse to not use that one. Actually I think I'll need a whole bunch of "when a creature dies" triggers.

How the hell did I forget about Exsanguinate? Already got that one.

Flametongue and edict were just thrown in there. With all the death, no Tragic Slip? Thought it'd be a free kill against some big fuckers. Should I leave Tribute to Hunger?

Startstorm goes but Magmaquake stays? They're in because I don't have many great boardwipes.

>>50984954
Haha thanks man

Perhaps a bit too much draw for this deck? Not sure.

>>50984907
Why don't they all just buy better cards then if it's an issue or becomes one

>>50985043
Half my playgroup has kids so we don't want to leave them in the dust, those of us with more disposable income just make more decks.

>>50985043
People generally don't want to engage in an arms race with escalating costs especially if they see it as the only way they can compete.

It's why I like to have different decks of different "finished-ness" levels. I've got the one pimp as hell deck and others that are just piles I've thrown together or ideas I'm trying out.

>>50985003
viscera seer is a very good sac outlet. generally, low cost outlets that cost no mana to use are the best for reactive saccing, so viscera seer, carrion feeder, spawning pit, etc.

>Startstorm goes but Magmaquake stays?

i only skimmed through so i just didn't notice it. generally the "deal X to all creatures" spells are pretty bad in EDH. better to cut them and replace them with better board wipes, like necromantic selection and stuff.

i'm actually brewing a monoblack deck that revolves around my opponents' creatures dying. it has of reanimation and LTB synergy. you might find some ideas there. here's a link:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/geth-the-christmas-grinch/

>>50985043
>lmao just tell them to get better cards :^)

fyi this is a real dick move to pull on your group. absolutely no one will benefit from an arms race. if you start one, you're probably a masturbatory egoistic That Guy.

low-power metas are more fun anyway since you can run fun interactive jank and theme decks and still do okay. powerful metas just end up with 4 players all racing to their wincon in a grand solitaire competition.

>>50985137
>generally the "deal X to all creatures" spells are pretty bad in EDH. better to cut them and replace them with better board wipes, like necromantic selection and stuff.

Yeah I figured. Like I said though, crappy board wipes. Need to update those first I think, considering the theme here.

I'll take a look at that list, thanks.

>>50984853
>Grixis flashback
Who's at the helm and post list? I've been trying to do something like that in ages.

>>50985289
Oh, that's just a 60 card list for some kitchen table. I can still post list though if you want.

>>50985401
Oh right, I've tried in 60 card casual before but it always seems I'm trying to jam too much stuff in a single deck. Wish there was a commander to support that sort of strategy, I've tried with Nekusar but it didn't went so well.

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Hey anons, looking for some suggestions and critique for pic related (http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nostalgic-necromancer/).

I tried going for value sac/reanimator deck. Unsure about the birthing pod even though I want to keep it as it's a chance to play it but my creature curve has some chokepoints (for example only two 4 cmc creatures) and I am unsure if it's a bad thing.

times u btfo som fag??

>>50985479
I used to have something like that build in Pauper EDH with Grixis Battlemage, but I don't have the list anymore.

>>50985531
played my Zedruu deck listed earlier. Some fag was on Slivers. He plays his sliver queen and is smug as fuck.
So I play a spell that steals his Sliver Queen.
In response, he actives her ability to look for the Shroud sliver.
I take control of the sliver queen and he plays the shroud sliver, passing the turn.
I play the land that makes creatures lose hexproof and shroud until EOT, and use Sliver Queen's ability to steal his shroud sliver, passing the turn.
His commander was under my control, and I could steal all his slivers one by one and there was nothing he could do about it. Never seen a player get so outplayed in EDH in a while.

>>50985531
>play a quick 1v1 with our normal decks while waiting for others to arrive
>My Grixis fun cards versus original Avacyn
>neither of us do much of anything for several turns
>he finally hardcasts Avacyn
>"here have a Gilded Drake"
>he's unhappy
>play Mindclaw Shaman
>he has Armageddon in hand
>I cast his Armageddon while controlling his Avacyn
>somehow this makes him less happy

>>50985711
that's an artifact chord of calling you dummy

>>50985137
>>50985181
I'm a fan of the X damage sweepers in decks like Kalemne, where I expect my creatures to be the biggest on the table generally.

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>>50985717
I thought the art was closer to the original than it actually was. Thought it was a cool art reference but not really.

>>50980300
I make sure every basic has different art. I don't see why people want to only look at the same art over and over again.

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>>50985711

>>50985531
Tl;dr memory plunder to cast traitor's roar on a xenagod hasted blightsteel. The xenagod player was less than amused.

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>>50985808

>>50985808
I actually had a very similar idea for a Boros commander that was literally RW for a 2/2 that cantrips on just Equipment casts. This may not be Boros, but fuck it, this is a Mono-white general I can get behind.
>Card draw IN WHITE
>Flickering Ward and other bounce Auras
>Usage of Caged Sun and friends
>Living Weapons cantrips
>Vehicles are cool i guess?

And all for 2 CMC. This is a good one, folks.

>>50985866
>turn 1 Sigarda's Aid
>turn 2 Sram
EVERYBODY ABOARD THE VALUE TRAIN

>>50985531
Dropped Malignus and one shot an extra smug Oloro player at over 100 life.

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Neat.
Temur energy getting stronger.

>>50985934
>over 100 life
It somehow still amazes me the things commander players get smug over.

>>50980997
Can you post a list for said Kozilek deck plz anon?

>>50985808
>so we herd u liek eggz

Thanks Wizards, a mono white that's not complete ass

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I have a question in need of a judge (I'm usually very good with rules but this is outside my knoweldge), regarding a loop with Arcanis+Mind Over Matter+Kozilek (pic related).
I have Arcanis and Mind Over Matter in play:
>Tap Arcanis: Draw Three
>Discard a Card to MoM: Untap Arcanis
>Tap Arcanis: Draw Three
>Discard a Card to MoM: Untap Arcanis
>etc. draw deck or almost entire deck
I have two additional cards after each repeat, with which to untap lands or artifacts of mine for mana.
>If deck is not drawn cast a cantrip to draw entire deck
I know have my deck in hand. I can now discard any amount of cards I wish to untap/tap Creatures/Artifacts/Lands on the battlefield. At the end I can discard Kozilek to keep adding more mana to my mana pool or tapping things down. Alternatively, re-casting any spells.
This loop can be done any amount of times (n times).
My question is: At what point does it become slow play?
I dug through my deck once to find Kozilek, and making infinite mana. I then discarded Kozi and repeated the loop, finding Tidespout Tyrant and generating infinite storm with mana vault+mana crypt. I then dug a bit more to find Brain Freeze to mill each opponent. Alternatively I could have made about n*50 mana and killed them with arbitrarily large Blue Sun's Zenith's.
An (fucking spergy retard, sorry for my anger) opponent said that I wasn't advancing the boardstate and I would be DQ'd for slow play.
Who was right?

Additionally, this was a non-tournament game. Do slow-play rules apply there? I'm guessing they apply but those rules were made to stop people dicking tournaments.

Can anyone answer? Yes I'm a dick for playing mono-blue combo/control

>>50985808
this commander singlehandedly turns monoW from dogshit trash to fun and playable

thank you wotc

How do you guys pilot your voltron and combo decks?

Ramp/draw your way to quick wins or a slower approach with my defense (making sure your plan doesn't get ruined by their actions)? I have a Uril deck, for example, that can ramp, enchant, and bash very quickly but I also have a version that has a bunch of cards like Vexing Shusher, Savage Summoning, Silence, etc. to stop counters or instants from fucking me.

>>50985808
Spikey enough for me. I'll bite. He's basically Isamaru if he were 2 cmc, that supports the voltron playstyle.
>>50985977
What part of Aura/Equipment/Vehicle do you not get. This guy won't have anything to do with them.

>>50980300
I use whatever basics I thought looked good. Gradually took out the shit tier ones when I found cooler ones, maybe one foil land each.

Then I threw in full arts from BFZ though I admit I'm getting sick of them and their repetitiveness.

>>50986101
>Additionally, this was a non-tournament game. Do slow-play rules apply there?
No. "Slow play" isn't anywhere in the comp rules, it's tournament stuff. Still it's not a bad guideline to go by.

How long could it have even taken you to go through this loop enough to get lethal? I think that's probably the main concern. You've got a very linear decision tree and really just need to show you have the combo. Ask your opponents if they have any responses then start shortcutting stuff. Don't hem and haw over every card you draw even if that's technically optimal play.

>>50986101
I'm no judge, but your actions were having a meaningful and quantifiable impact on the game state. additionally, if asked, you probably could have given a particular number value for how many iterations of the loop you would need to complete. Some say it has to be precise, but an answer like, "no more than 10 iterations" would suffice for me.

>>50986101
Also sounds like he probably thought you were doing something like 4 horseman and applied his half-remembered judge call to a different situation.

http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2012/11/02/horsemyths/

>>50980300
>hand-pick a bunch of different basics regardless of set/block
This, I make sure the lands kinda fit the theme/feel of the deck for certain decks for example using old frame black bordered lands for my vampire deck
Otherwise I want my mana base to look fancy so I make sure to put a good mix of foil/full art/snow covered lands if I don't play something like lense etc.

>>50986252
>>50986290

I didn't take long. I showed them MoM, tapping my mana for it.
They understood what it did, but the fucking sperg DEMANDED I demonstrate the loop. I had to go through my deck twice. I just drew three cards at a time discarding a land or irrelevant card to untap Arcanis until I found the pieces I needed.
He then said I couldn't shortcut because [something about boardstate and exact cards in hand/graveyard].
I had asked before starting the loop whether they had a response then or later (if not it's just a win for me), neither did. I told them they could then just scoop as I'd deck them with BSZ or BF.
>>50986299
I said told him that if he's thinking of applying the same 4-horsemen rules then he can go fuck himself (didn't actually but this guy sperged hard, I very rarely get pissed but this was a competent player who knew the stack and everything just being autismic ), as my loop was a hell of a lot quicker. And would for sure win, unlike the 4-horsemen case of not for sure winning.

>>50985531

there's a guy in my kitchen table playgroup with a Meren precon

We played a little bit in summer and he absolutely blew the rest of us off

fastforward to now, I got a little more involved into EDH and tested some of my shitbrews with him, and he blew me the fuck out

For the last game, I get my slightly tuned Newzuri. He's losing pretty hard, and starts bragging about how he's gimping himself by not casting Meren. I blow him up after drawing 30-something cards out of fathom mage, and we agree to play another game, but this time he'd be going "all-out"

He lost even harder, I spent the whole game forcing his creatures to attack me with Thassa's Bident and blocking everything with my bigger creatures.

Now he wants to power the deck up, and so the arms race starts.

>>50986252
>>50986290
>>50986299
I guess I'm just pissed-off because previously LITERALLY everyone else has understood and just scooped. Whether they knew the loop beforehand or not (in latter case I'd always demonstrate the loop).

>>50986358
How does he complain about time if he wants you to demonstrate the loop?

>>50986442
it's weird that he could btfo you with the meren precon. it's not a terrible deck out of box but it's still pretty bad

meren is a dumb commander though. such a hamhanded way to handle a sac & recur commander. woop de doo it's like sheoldred or gisa and geralf, only better and in better colors

>>50986506
Sounds like a really shitty angle shooter.

>>50986522
A who?

>>50986449
When I was playing "competitive" EDH with some combo decks people would always make me play till I win, which is fine and I understand but once they don't interupt the first ~10 iteration of the god damn combo why make me play it out.

>Playing Sharuum
>Start her ETB engine with a clone
>Disciple of the Vault in play
"Well I have 38 life so you have to do it at least 38 times"
>Calls over judge who says my opponent doesn't have to scoop so play it out
>Verbally communicate the combo, step-by-step, 40 times
>Opponent says good game and goes for a handshake

>>50986511

We only had a shitty elfball deck made in 2 hours and the Kaalia precon, so yeah

>>50986547
Sperg + Time + Butthurt = Bad Times

>>50986547
To be fair, some complete tards don't understand how the combo works after the first few iterations.

I've had people play combo pieces in the correct order, then fuck up massively executing their combo, and the second they go to continue, call them out for ending it early. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not. Just slapping ashnods, revilark, and karmic guide is dandy, but I expect people to communicate how they're going to kill me with their set up. If it's something that I think is obtuse, you're damn straight I'm going to make sure they do it a few times in front of me.

>>50986547
lol. That asshole was waiting for you to say the combo backwards huh. It is a dependant loop so I get it, but really thats so shit.

>>50986578
>>50986585
Yeah I walked through the combo twice and explained how it was infinite then he called the judge over and I had to say the damn thing again and again.

Most other opponents just want to know I understand how my combo works which is totally fair.

>>50986545
https://www.pokernews.com/pokerterms/angle-shooting.htm

Like the sperg was trying to get anon to lose a judge call or something. Except there obviously wasn't going to be one in the first place.

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>>50985808
FUCK YEAH!

My cycle of mono colored commanders is finally complete! I knew if I waited long enough, WotC would give me a good monoW commander. Praise the day and our dwarven overlords.

>>50986615
Spergs gunna sperg son.

Also i understand his frustration with combo in commander, and it makes me slightly salty because it abruptly ends the game, but i dont bitch and moan about i just find other people who want to play.

>>50985808
While this is obviously insane in equipment voltron, what are the best auras to include for this guy? Spectra Ward seems like a given.

>>50986758
Cage of Hands
Conviction
Flickering Ward
Shackles
etc.

>>50986779
Holy shit I didn't even think of the bounce auras to draw your deck. This guy seems really good.

>>50985628
>Sliver Queen
You mean Sliver Overlord. Besides, why steal Crystalline Sliver? It effects all slivers, not just the ones you control.
>>50986101
>one guy doing just that
>activate arcanis with 2 cards on library
>discards Kozilek and everything in his hand aside from few obvious counterspells
>Trickbind the Kozilek trigger
>and the salt was mined three times that day

>>50985628
Queen doesn't search for other slivers, Overlord does.

>>50985970
He was being an arrogant dickhead the entire game too. The type of control player who likes to dog people down. Told the two dead players to sit there and watch him Darkness whatever creature I could throw at him. Felt damn good to insta gib his ass.

>go to FNM last week
>second game we all die to an infinite from some Sharuum artifact deck, probably the same as described here,>>50986547
>later play some casual with a friend and proceed to die to Exquisite Blood, Sanguine Bond infinite

I hate infinites.

>>50985501
I like him, but I feel like 3/1s are a little too small to be worth it. Maybe throw in some more board wipes or an anthem or two.

>>50986965
Was it a commander FNM? If so you should have expected people to bring good decks.
Decks should have an infinite as either plan-a or plan-b, as they are efficient ways to end stalling games.
Even if you don't like them, understand their importance.

>leovold is at 35€

Stop please. how much higher can this smug asshole go?

>>50986101
Slow play is really only applicable when there's a round clock. Also this wasn't slow play, you were drawing cards, that's huge and meaningful.

It sounds more like the guy was just pissed that he had lost & was making you do the whole loop as punishment for winning.

If it was me & someone was being salty that I won, I'd probably just leave, you don't need to play with awful people.

>>50987059

Yea, it was Commander FNM. I felt like I was doing alright, game 1 aside, I just really had terrible draws and couldn't do much of anything there. But I was pretty bummed on that game 2 when that guy did his infinite since the deck was actually running decently well for me. Just felt really unfair since I was sitting at like 42 health at the time.

>>50987185
Was it 1v1? If so you probably shoulda built your deck for that. I can help if you want (for future FNM's), I have no life and thus spend most of my time building retardedly optimised decks.

>>50987214

No, standard 4 player EDH.

>>50985808
Nahiri is happy. The expertise card is cool too. Drop some tokens and then drop a sword or clamp.

For my main deck (mono blue), every land has unique art, every set symbol is unique, and I have at least 1 land from every language MTG is printed in.
For the rest, it's just unique arts.

>>50986965
Those sound like pretty ok combos not to segenerate.
I played a round of grand melee once at my lgs where one of the players combo'd off by like turn 3. We played with one of the store's employes who hates infinite combos and he immedeatly scooped dropped the price cards on the table and left without a word

>>50987260
Classic TG store professionalism.

I wish we could change this to the commander+cube general. I want to talk about cube with someone ;-;

Speaking of art, and cube, should I have all matching basics art for my cube or all different.

All different lets me buy a bunch of cool expensive lands like 8th ed test prints and guru lands and lets me see a whole bunch of different art.
Same lands means more coherency and all are good.
>>50987260
Sounds like he needs to git gud

>>50980066
I have a pack foil of that island. gorgeous.

>>50987185
Anon, this is why you run removal.

>>50983926
It is kinda old, it's from Portal 2e and should be reprinted more instead of one more print of shitty Zendikar, Alara and Ravnica lands.

>>50988549
I really hate Zendikars ugly lands. There are so many other sets that deserved the full art treatment than that garbage.

Who is the best jesksai general and why is it ruhan?

>>50984641
It's a gift, fuck them.
The difference between not being able to get better but still wanting to play, and not wanting to get better and wanting to draw everyone with you, is in the complaining. You didn't add Mikaeus, Triskellion, Palinchron and Dead-Eye to fuck them over with every game. You added four powerful cards that marginally improve your deck so long as they aren't built around.

Also, if anyone is playing Tiro and Nigga, Artraxa, Meren, Mizzix, Daretti, Ob Nixilis, Freyalise, Oloro, Prossh, Mimeoplasm or Kaalia, they don't have any right to complain. Precons can be very powerful and these were all choking on cards that were $6-20 before they were reprinted in the deck itself.

>>50988941
Why do you consider Tiro and Nigga so strong?
I gifted the precon to my girlfriend for christmas with some extra cards to polish the deck and bright pink sleeves, and so far it is just mid powerlevel grouphug.

>>50988591
That is exactly why Zendikar got the full art lands.

WotC don't gift anything, they just show us what we could have but won't, unless we keep buying like idiots in the vague hope that we may one day get truly beautiful full art lands again. Among other things.

Same as with the Snow/Legendary Dual Lands, MaRo didn't talk about them because they want to make them, he did because we had already taken it for granted that they wouldn't happen, and they can't have us park the junkie van.

>>50989041
>>50988941
Nvm, misread your post

>>50988915
it is ruhan because he is the best

Since the deck/commander ideas are never-ending...

Thraximundar, Zurgo Helmsmasher, or Mazirek?

>>50989193
Mazirek seems cool as fuck, but keeping track of all those counters seems like a pain so zurgo.

I'm looking to round out my 4 compeititve decks of Combo/Control/Voltron/Creature with something. Recommendations?
I have a bunch of unused UB/BG/G cards so I'm inclined towards BUG.
>>50989146
>>50989146
As a spike, ruhan interests me. How do build?
Is there a way to make it a creature-centric deck?

>>50989041
They themselves aren't strong, but they come with Veteran Explorer, Chasm Skulker, Hushwing Gryff, Edric, Windborn Muse, Progenitor Mimic, Oath of Druids, Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, Reins of Power and Collective Voyage.

In an improoved precons enviroment the deck is busted. It's also probably the one that needs the least investment of the five to remain competitive in less restricted enviroment since all it needs is more counters to protect the pillow fort.

>>50989249
The best way to build Ruhan is draw-go full control in Duel Commander.

>>50979534
I personally love the basic lands from time spiral, lorwyn, and shadowmoor cause i started playing around that time
>>50980300
I try to make every basic land different and be the art that i like.

>>50989332
Well yeah thats why it interests me. But how do build for multiplayer? My blue decks play quite similarly in that they have 5999999 counterspells to prevent anything important from resolving so I could just redo that with Ruhan at the helm. It would just play out identically.
I guess I'll just make a BUG commander deck for my creature deck then. Any legit reason not to run pod in a green EDH deck?

>>50985808
This guy is fucking flexible. He can be the commander or part of the 99. I like that

>>50985975
Here you go, anon.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/he-comes/

>>50989249
I build him Control with a bit of voltron as a wincon. Works out well for me.

>>50989098
This is the butthurtiest most aggravated conspiracy theory I've ever had. They're literally RUINING THE GAME you make you personally unhappy. That's amazing.

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>>50989596
>wizards is good guize

>>50989596
lel, what conspiracy? It's marketing.
No industry saciates the consumer's needs, it'd be out of business if it did.
It's only slightly more obvious (and actually detrimental to the company) in Magic because they're that fucking slow.

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Why do people get so freaked out about Narset? She's stopped by literally counterspell.
Plus, while 4 free spells is great, it's a pretty luck based card. Unless you do a lot of re ordering with spells.

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>>50988549
Neat, did not know that. The islands are pretty sweet also. Honestly I'd love to have a fullart version of this + that plains for my deck.

>>50989963
Go away

>>50989963
Usually Narset is ran with every extra combat and extra turn spell printed, so when she gets a single attack off the game ends unless the player whiffs really hard.

>>50989963
>She's stopped by literally counterspell.

Your point? Everything is.

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>>50990032
>imfuckingplying

>>50979854
Older lands are just infinitely better than the post-8th shit. It's like modern artists don't know how to compose a landscape. Only good Modern-bordered lands that aren't reprints are Guay's.

>>50989963
Would Narset be balanced if she had to deal combat damage instead of just attacking?

>>50990032
My point is she's very expensive, so a tiny bit of bullying has a much bigger effect on her.
>>50990025
This makes a bit more sense. I haven't run into many narset decks so I guess my experience with it is fairly limited

Aight, came up with this. Yes it's quite generic goodstuff. Need to cut 3 more cards.
Land count is high because manabond.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/damia-sage-of-stone-notcompetitive-midrange/

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What would be some good budget-y changes for this?

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>>50979854

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>player in group defends cyclonic rift as being an ok card when i say its degenerate and awful to play against
>has it in all his blue decks :^)
>"its ok, it doesn't really help you win and its just bounce"
>play against him with a token deck, board growing pretty strong
>my blue senses tingle and tell me that this douchebag has a cyclonic rift in his hand
>point this out to everyone in the pod
>know that there's no way to win before i get it out of his hand
>have to intentionally overextend on the board and attack him to bait it out, but leave my big haymaker in my hand for later use
>of course, he rifts, blowing up about 65 mana worth of shit on the board at instant speed :^)
>windfalls on his next turn, putting all of my wincon cards into my grave and filling my hand with lands
>durdles his next 2 turns like a fucking moron and loses to another player
>"see anon? cyclonic rift wasn't even good since that other guy won"

just fuck you

just
fuck
you

>>50990268
Amulet of Vigor isn't too bad, and lets you chain creatures with your untapped lands.

>>50990306
>board clear is degenerate
I have seen many, many, many stupid things said in these threads. I think yours might be the dumbest.

>>50990408
yeah an instant speed board clear that affects every single nonland permanents except his is pretty degenerate imo

name 1 card that does what cyclonic rift does, but isn't cyclonic rift

>>50990268
Reclamation Sage, Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Woodfall Primus, Green Sun's Zenith, Amulet of Vigor, Harmonize, Reveillark

I feel like you have too many mana dudes and not enough action. I'd cut Sundial as green has better card draw options. I also feel like you have a lot of suboptimal choices but that's me being a competitive player, so I guess they're ok.

>>50990442
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3AReturn+o%3Aall+o%3Anonland+o%3Apermanents+o%3Ato+o%3Atheir+o%3Aowners%27+o%3Ahands&v=card&s=cname

>>50990442
have you tried running counter spells?

>>50990442
hmm, well let's see.
Rout
Evacuation
Fated Retribution
Nevinyrral's disk
aetherize
aetherspout

While they don't affect all nonland permanents, they are still instant speed board clears that are going to devastate you.
In order to use cyclonic rift, you have to pay 9 mana and hope you don't get countered.
If a highly telegraphed card like cyclonic rift is causing you to lose the game. that is your fault and not his.
Cyclonic rift is one of the least offensive board clears.

>>50990306
It seems like you need to learn to play Red Elemental Blast, City of Solitude, Grand Abolisher etc.

You would have gotten just as wrecked by an Evacuation or any other mass bounce.

>>50990464
>Kodama's Reach
>Cultivate
I actually didn't like these in Karametra. The mana dorks play much better with her. As for GSZ and Harmonize, those are already in.

Like this guy >>50990370
recommended, I'll try to locate an Amulet.

>>50990306
It's your fault for not Mine-Crucible locking the faggot player.

>>50990540
those are sorceries you fucking moron

the only reason he could wrath my shit was because he could do it an instant speed

>echoing truth hits all tokens though

yeah and no blue edh deck ever runs it because it sucks otherwise

>>50990550
they don't exist in colors other than blue, except for meme cards like pyroblast and stuff, which are dead useless shit cards in most games. and if you find yourself having to run 2 counterspells to specifically counter 1 spell that may or may not come into play, then maybe that 1 spell is a bit too stupid for edh

>>50990580
>Rout
>Evacuation
>Fated Retribution
>Aetherize
>aetherspout
these cards do not hit nonland permanents. you rampant mongoloid.

>Nevinyrral's Disk
isn't instant speed, can be more easily baited and removed if already cast, ie. no overextension necessary, also telegraphed

>>50990639
>Evacuation
nope, most of my board presence was tied to enchantments and artifacts. i would've just made a billion more tokens next turn

>Red Elemental Blast, City of Solitude, Grand Abolisher
yes, except cyclonic rift was the only possible card that could utterly fuck me over in the situation i was in. i don't think it's fair that i have to specifically build my decks to be rift-proof when rift is only 1 card and rift-proofing costs like, 6 card slots

>>50990306
nigger just out board wipe him.
make your shit indestructible and use
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=OBLITERATE

>>50990713
>doesn't hit nonland permanents
Moron, you're playing a fucking token deck, it doesn't matter.
It is a 9 cost spell.
If you have no way of stopping a mono fucking blue deck in edh, you're trash and you have no one to blame but yourself

>>50990713
> most of my board presence was tied to enchantments and artifacts. i would've just made a billion more tokens next turn

then a fracturing gust would have wrecked you instead, there's always outs, in return for Cyclonic Rifts versatility, it has a really fucking high mana cost and doesn't actually remove stuff permanently, only returns it to your hand.

>>50990768
literally all the things you just said were wrong so i won't even bother replying seriously

>>50989963

-She only has to attack, meaning the value of haste is applied (and we're in red) and combat tricks don't work

-Wiffing on the stack is rare in a tuned deck. Most of that targets are extra-turn spells which not only synergize with Narset but are among the most powerful effects in Magic period.

-Hexproof is amazing, and you likely only need to protect her for one turn (If that). Blue is exceptional at this.

- Her Cost is offset by playing the standard suite of broken rocks. Players often flinch at using valuable removal on rocks (esp one-offs) despite the risk of fast Narset.

>>50990797
>then a fracturing gust would have wrecked you instead

and then i would have still swung for lethal that turn with my tokens, you ape. the reason rift fucked me over was because it hit both my attacking tokens and all my auxiliary shit supporting my board

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>My playgroup banned Doubling Season after rampant price faggotry and general tutor-douchieness
>literally nothing changed, except atraxa superfriends is no longer a deck that every other person runs
>ghave is also slightly less degenerate, but not really at all

>>50990768
It's a 7 cost spell, overload is not kicker
>>50990814
It's still very expensive.
Also
>he plays a mono blue deck
So, what's the problem, he can't really do anything other than be annoying.

>>50990713
Gitgud and counterspell faggot. Yes it's good.
But it's not too good.
Otherwise 8/10 b8, made me bite.
A significant drawback to Cyclonic Rift is its cost, leaving the player unable to do anything else on that turn. Also, with real mana rocks (the ones you cant afford :^) ) Devastation Tide/Coastal Breach is way better, as it's almost upheaval.
I can see why you're mad though, as a player who Rifts without a way to win is just as shit as the guy who Armageddons without a plan. When I cast some kind of Devastation Tide/Evacuation I win within 1-2 turns.
>>50990768
To his credit I 1v3'd with mono-blue three times today, so he's probably buttmad.
>>50990709
Huh, I missed those. I must be getting tired. Amulet is good, as is Woodfall Primus.

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>>50990880
That's not really that good, but Bosh vehicles is becoming more and more material every day...

>>50990897
Why was Martin Shkreli added to magic?

>>50990913
His unprecedented buyout of the power nine?

>>50990873
he wasn't playing a mono blue deck. i never said that. it was a grixis solitaire deck

>>50990878
funny that the guy asking for budget additions to his 230 dollar karametra deck is telling me that i'm the poorfag

>>50979822
Masterpiece mana crypt is just too pretty not too

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>>50990958
>230 dollars is now a lot of money
Anon, I consider everything I build to be budget, and I build around $150-250. You must be very new to magic.

>>50990306
Everyone is my group kind of silently agreed to stop running Rift. It's not banned per se, we just stopped putting it in blue decks.

>>50990980
>he builds nothing but budget

find a different hobby. now.

>>50990958
>funny that the guy asking for budget additions to his 230 dollar karametra deck is telling me that i'm the poorfag
I'm the Karametra fag, keep me out of this. My only posts here are >>50990709 and >>50990268

>>50990768
Its 7 actually. Pretty easy number to get

>>50991028
What are you going on about?

EDH is one of the few formats where you can realistically beat people using far more expensive cards through invested time and good synergy. I could probably have 3 or 4 top tier decks instead of 9 very good decks if I threw everything in one basket.

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>>50991018
I'm thinking of ordering one. I'm a jank player in a meta that already runs Cyclonic Rift and worse.

>>50990306
>token deck player
>complaining about anything
You played a brainless and irritating type of deck that falls apart at the drop of a hat.
You deserved it. I hope you face nothing but tier 1 commanders the next time you go out to play.

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>>50991028
>don't even think about Standard you can't afford it

>>50981652
>>Ultimate tier
>Half art zendikar lands

>>50991086
I mean, if you're playing blue it's an auto-include. It's such a blowout and unfair tempo swing that it's dumb not to play it if you can. It really should be banned for that reason alone. All blue decks are actually 97 cards + commander + Rift + Sol Ring

>>50991125
Cyclonic Rift isn't really that problematic of a card. Sure it's really strong, but it's also really situational. The reason why it seems like it might be "too strong" is because whenever it's cast, it'll often win the game, or prevent the user from losing the game. But that doesn't account for all the times where it can't be cast, or would be bad if cast. The card is ONLY good in those situations (about to lose or about to win), which is what makes it balanced. You either have to be far enough ahead that you can afford to do nothing (or almost nothing) in a turn and leave up 7 mana to cast it, or you have to be far enough behind that you have no other choice but to cast Rift to save yourself. Casting Cyclonic Rift as a random midgame tempo play is often wrong, and will get the entire table to turn against you if you don't win immediately or soon after. I can't even count the number of games where I've had Rift stuck in my hand, or been forced to use it without paying the Overload cost. Having the versatility to either Overload it or not is nice, but Boomerang is not a good card in EDH and the 2 mana mode of Cyclonic Rift is very weak.

>>50991125
I've been using Void Squall and that BBX Oath of the gatewatch nonsense. Told you I'm complete trash.

>>50991071
This isn't at all related to anything that's been said but I want to know
What do you think about my deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/leave-my-planeswalkers-alone/

Real men run shitty decks.

>>50991189
I think you're heavily compensating for something but at the same time everyone also hates you.

Since everyone is posting deck list critiques, might as well post mine.
It Could probably use more ramp, but I don't know what to cut for it http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ruhans-gonna-bop-you/

>>50991200
Etb decks?

>>50991231
I just really like planeswalkers

Every time I see multiple Saskia decks on the shelf, I want to build her, but I already have a not-blue deck.

>>50991125

Every time I see something like this, my first thought is "how long does this person want to sit and play a single game of magic?"

Cyclonic Rift costs 7. An effect that costs 7 should be really good. Cyclonic Rift's effect is really good, so good that it probably wins the game if it resolves. Should winning the game be banned?

It sounds like you only find games where you're allowed to do whatever you want unchecked to be fun, but where others aren't allowed to do anything to hinder your progress.

If someone is casting this spell, then they should win the game off of it same as if they cast Jokulhaups. It's only a problem if someone is casting it to reset the game, rather than win. Reseting the game just wastes time.

>>50991263
Cyclonic Rift is a better I win card than Coalition Victory, and Victory is on the banlist.

>>50991311
How?

>>50991241
I wanna say drop rebuff the wicked and abolish. They just seem unnecessary with everything else you have.
So, if you're dropping for more ramp, I'd say one of those two, or both.

>>50991311

>Playing 5c and cast Coalition Victory, gf
>playing 5c and cast rift
>shit I just bounced slime, sun titan, rec sage, and witness to their owners hands

>>50991256
Best I've got it Aether snap/Vampire Hexmage. You win.

>>50991348
Rift can't be interacted with except by counterspells and automatically goes in every blue deck in the format.

Victory can be interacted with by literally any color, cost one mana more, is a sorcery, and can only be played by a very small number of decks in the format.

>>50991150
Same can be said of Balance and yet Balance is banned.

What are some big blue creatures for a deck where you're focusing on actually doing damage to a player?

I've got the basics since like Tarkir already and a few classics like
Deepchannel Mentor.

>>50991388
Yay.
In all honesty, the reason I built this deck is well, I do really like planeswalkers because I like the lore and the art. But I built this deck specifically because the people I play with just get really upset whenever someone plays a planeswalker for some reason.
So, I made this to trigger them.

>>50991428
Stormtide Leviathan if you run a lot of fliers.

>>50991432
Because planeswalkers are basically broken and a side element of the game that's harder to access to when they run their decks they have to include more obscure removal instead of what they would like to run. That's what I've been told anyway. I usually run 1 or 2 in a deck.

>>50991360
Thanks for the feedback anon.

>>50991428
Inkwell Leviathan
Jin-Gitaxias

>>50991390
It's fairly useless unless you pay the overload cost.

>>50991428
Tromokratis

>>50991471
Well, In Garruk's Wake does exist. But I guess I understand.
Whatever the case I'll never forget the time someone brought a mill deck to the table and Tramautized me.
He never exiled my graveyard so I used Obzedat's aid and radiate to bring everything back.
He was not pleased. It also brought back deepglow skate so I could get my precious emblems

>>50991125
Crift is 7 mana. The going rule in EDH is that if it costs 7 or more mana, it should be winning you the game.

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>>50991428

>>50991467
Check. Also Tidal Force (meh), Sealock Monster, Godhunter Octopus, Clone, Kraken of the Straights, and Benthic Giant which is a pet card. The rest are 4/4 or less, with many 1/2 or 2/1 types.


Arcanis, Perplexing Chiamera, Shore crasher Elemental, Guardian of Tazeem, Peregrine Drake...

I'd switch out tidal force and I want like a 9/1 Blue elemental for 3 mana or something

>>50990021
Funfact: that's an actual photograph.

>>50991544
I have a mill deck. Maybe I should play that more. The thing is I rotate decks so people don't tend to get salty. I think the problem is when people play the same powerful deck over and over it gets rough.

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Who else /waitingformorespoilers/ here?

I really want pic related to be decent.

>>50991584
If you're playing monU, Scourge of Fleets has won me so many games.

>>50991642
I have that one as well. Enclave Elite, Wharf Infiltrators, Youthful Scholar, and Docent of Perfection.

>>50986621
Who are the others anon?

>>50991625
Yeah, I also have a couple decks that I rotate through. The only problem is at the shop I play with there's always this one guy who ends up at our table and no matter what deck I play he complains and calls it broken, despite the fact that he wins most of these games.
Actually, I'm usually one of the first to get knocked out.

>>50991685
Teferi modified precon for U (first ever commander)
Daretti modified precon for R
Magic Mike for B (first EDH deck built from scratch)
Azusa green fatties for G

I tried to make all the decks different from each other with different win cons and play styles.

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>>50991636
So far, I am very happy

>>50991115
when it costs minimum 300$ to buy a deck to be competitive and that decks cards will drop in price by half within 6 months, there is something wrong with the format.

this is a fact.

>>50991560
>>50991540
I like these two. Indentured Djinn goes nicely with my Reliquary Tower, Spellbook, and Thought Vessel.

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>>50991261
This is how i am doing my commander pre-con sleeve/boxing.

I was going to get ultra pro satin towers but wasn't sure they came in the 5 colors i needed.
also LGS was charging 23 CAD (18 usd) each for them.
msrp is 9.99 usd.

MFW i realized LGS is charging double for deck boxes.

>>50991882
this really triggers me

>>50991810
You're saying EDH is inherently flawed because it leads to an increase of the quantity of money cards leading to a partial market collapse?

>>50991873
>Indentured Djinn goes nicely with my Reliquary Tower, Spellbook, and Thought Vessel

You do know the Djinn only draws other people cards right?

>>50991911
no, standard.

If you want to play and win standard events or top 8, you will be spending at least 200$ probably as much as 500$

>>50991931
Yeah but they'll have to discard them maybe if I play it early enough.

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>>50991882
Who /satin tower/ here?

These things just feel right.

>>50991908
I think it's efficient. You know exactly what you're not getting via each color.

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>>50991947
Oh yeah. Of course.

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>Magical Christmas Cash Infusion letting me finally finish my Slobad deck

It's the most wonderful time of the year!

>>50990072
What about the C16 Kev Walker lands?

>>50991991
I prefer the strictly better monolith tower option. slightly larger capacity and less finicky to open. The "both halves are the same when opened" feature is just gravy.

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>>50991991
Dex protection is where it's at my man.

>>50991882
>ultra pro satin towers but wasn't sure they came in the 5 colors i needed

I'm >>50986621 and I use the satin towers to color code store my decks. There is one for each color of Magic plus other colors like purple and turquoise. The white one has just been sitting on my shelf waiting for a home, but no longer.

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>>50991991

I prefer the Ultimate Guard double boxes. They're expensive, but so worth it.

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>tfw too many decks
>tfw can't stop thinking of more decks I want to build
>tfw can't even play the decks I have
HELP

>>50992070

I used to like Dex until switching to ultimate guard. Their everything is just better, especially the magnets.

>>50992119
Priorities here.

No longer trading any singles unless it's fnm promos. Just going to buy what I need from store or players.

I need a good playmat, but the inked ones are like 40 usd so i will wait until it's more convenient.

>>50992045
>monolith tower

Fug, didn't even know these existed. How does the box feel to the touch compared to the satin tower? Roughly the same?

>>50992144
I know that feel :c

>>50992144
I know that feel. I have an artifacts deck to finish, a RG Wort deck I want to build, and Shu Yun and Alesha decks that I've been putting off for months. It's bad.

>>50992188
Pretty much the same texture-wise.

>>50992154
I like ultimate guard too and I have an auxiliary case from them. I think dex has sexier branding but ultimate gaurd is at LEAST on par in terms of quality.

>>50992215
Damn, if I order these I don't know what to do with my satins. Hate to see em go to waste.

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>>50992172

I have too many mats, too.

Honestly, the mtg ultra pro mats are solid, especially for the price. I've snagged a few for as low as $10 online.

Inked is good shit, though. The extra for pro editing is worth it. Pic related. The boarder is because I couldn't find a higher res of the Extinguisher.

>>50992226

Lex is definitely inferior imo, but solid for the price. Mine started to get warped on me from getting jostled in my bag, meanwhile the UG doesn't give a shit. I have the double and a single.

>>50992249
Give them to new players? Use them to house old decks?

You can always just wait until one box fails and try it as a replacement. Or wait until building a new deck that needs a box. Don't need to comit all the way bro.

>>50992280
I just need to find one with an image i like.

I've seen my share of really stupid looking ones by them or with anime, or mtg lore that i don't necessarily care about.

I will find one eventually.

>>50992360

That's the good thing: you can do whatever with them and they'll work with you.

>>50992249
I give my dissued items to new players.

>>50991882
>Not sleeving all your cards on the same sleeves putting them on binders and building your decks as you play them.
My spellbook looks down on you.

>>50992292
>>50992382
Yeah, will probably do that.

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>>50992144

>had 14 decks together at one point
>took them all apart
>already built 6 more
>have 5 more in mind
>3 decks are 4c and have murdered my mana base
>2 decks are mono- and 4 decks have black
>want to build another mono-b
>most decks I want are also black

>>50983979
They can't reprint it because it's a colourshifted card from a block/set where that was a thing. Boardwipe isn't a monoblack thing, and damnation may as well never have happened, except it's still legal in eternal formats for some reason.

>>50992453
If it weren't for lands I'd have like 15.

Are there any cards that just flat out prevent people from casting or playing creatures?

>>50992484

They've reprinted colourshifted cards before, ones where the color pie stretch was much worse like harmonize (green has basically no other unconditional card draw spells) or brute force (red has basically no other unconditional toughness increasing spells)

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>>50992484
>Board wipe isn't a mono black thing
What is -X/-X?

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>>50990860
>having a playgroup that awful
>banning a do-nothing 5 mana enchant that requires another card to actually succeed
Jesus

>>50991991
I got the silver one for my Kozilek deck. I'd have more of them if I double sleeved more of my decks, I love that thing.

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>>50990860
>Playgroups banning anything
>Having a shitty playgroup that plays the same thousand dollar overpowered decks over and over again
>"Competitive EDH"

>>50991991
soon, very soon, probably in a month.

>>50992542

You can donate a steel golem

There's an enchantment called aether storm which can be combined with Angel of jubilation to prevent creature spells from being cast, without angel of jubilation though, it's a shit card, they only need to pay 4 to destroy it

There's a black enchantment called lethal vapors that's pretty effective at negating creatures spells (they still get etbs though), and the drawback for your opponents removing it is more severe (skip a turn)

Another thing you can do is set up any number of locks that prevent ALL spells from being cast

>>50992557
There's this guy at my shop. He and a couple other people start a table and only let people play with them if they only have either 1 mythic in the deck.
Or no mythics and a max of 5 rares.
The worst part. The guy who started it only did so because he spent a bunch of money on a zur deck and the rest of us teched in counters.
So he got assblasted and made that format for him and other really upset people

>>50991991
LGS Special white cardboard box. $1.50 or something. Works great. Never opens until I open it.

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>>50992542

>>50992542
Ward of Bones

>>50992694
This looks good.
I ask because I'm looking for something to pair with Narset Transcendent's emblem so I can kill all fun.

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>>50992722
Don't kill all fun please. Or make a second fun deck at least.

>>50992755
I have multiple decks. I just have a kill all fun deck for when I'm in a bad mood

what are some of the cheaper planes walkers i can put in my atraxa deck

>>50992024
Can you post your list? Mine is really stax-heavy but I'm prob gonna shift it over to midrange so I stop getting Archenemy'D

>>50992796
Okay good you're not a piece of shit then.

>>50992814

Vraska, transform Garruk (don't recommend, he's pretty shit in edh)

>>50992814
Garruk primal hunter

>>50992814

For planeswalkers, cheap = shitty honestly

The only ones id call cheap are tibalt and maybe one or two of the shitty Chandras