What happens if the imperium gets its hands on a working

>>50948360
They would win. If only they were not 4 mins to midnight.

>>50948360
Through various plot contrivances it gets destroyed or corrupted so that the setting's status quo doesn't change.

The Horus Heresy and Age of Strife of some of the worst story moments of 40k imo and BL should stop writing about them.

>>50948360
It would somehow get ruined before they got anything out of it.
Because that's the entire fucking point of 40K.

>>50948911
I thought the point of 40K was to sell campy '80s sci-fi figurines? Am I wrong?

>>50948963
That's the point of the GW.

The point of the setting is that shit's fucked, and everyone's going to fucking die any day, either by horrific rape-demons, hungry fucking space-bugs, or implacable skeleton-terminators.

>>50948360
Probably not much the mechanicus would seize it and spend the next couple of hundred years jerking off over it and fighting over how to use it and how much.

>>50948360
The delicate balance of power set within it is dangerously shifted one way, the whole Imperium fractures, proceeds to eat itself alive before finally dying in blood and screams. It likely sets fire to the rest of the galaxy too.

we find out what the actual heavy tank is, considering the BEHNBLEEED is a "medium tank"

>>50949117
>spend the next couple of hundred years breaking it
FTFY

>>50948360
They bungle it, either by losing it, destroying it because it didn't mention the glory of the emperor every othre sentence, or by accidentally destroying themselves with it.

Good things don't happen to the Imperium in 40k, OP. They're fucked, and only the desire to sell more minis on behalf of GW keeps them alive.

>>50948360
The Nids vomit up the squats- who in turn devour the STC. and are then promptly re-devoured by said Nids

>>50951424
I like this version best. It should be canon.

What's an STC?

>>50952293
standart template construct, basically a manual to build lots and lots of stuff from before the Age of Strife

>>50948803
This

>>50952293
Salami
Tomato
and
Cheese

The knowledge of sandwich making has been lost to the Imperium. The secrets for making one is highly coveted.

>>50948360
Don't they find STCs for shit like knives and armor variants all the time?

>>50952293
>>50952370
And bare in mind that the last time they found a printout from an STC, the three guys that found it were each given their own planet to govern.
It was for a bayonet.

>>50952581
Those are STC fragments.

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>>50952505
No, no, no, that might summon the Broodwich.

And we know what chaos-tainted evil that is.

>>50948360
Inquisition immediately breaks it due to heresy

What if they found an STC that made every lasgun slightly better? like closer to plasma gun stats but lasgun reliable

>>50952715
Do any of you have a screepcap of that thread where the Imperium discovered a PBJ sandwich STC?

>>50952585
Well more precisely it was for sweet-ass monomolucar edged knife which was adopted as standard knife for all Space Marines. And the planet was some feudal backwaters IIRC.

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>>50952793
>slightly better? like closer to plasma gun stats

>>50952793
You mean like Pulse Rifle?

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>>50952581
You mean STC fragments with more shitty knives and armor for IG that don't affect status quo in a slightest

>>50953726
That is the best thing I have ever seen.

stc were alive AI so none were uncorruped

find real one?

Imperium wins, you could make anything with nothing.

Better everything, every one gets better than the best equipment in bulk for cheaper

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>>50948360
>999.M41

>A Rogue Trader busy expanding the Imperium's borders comes across an ancient Human civilization, its nations long since abandoned leaving its glorious ruins to be reclaimed by the planet's wildlife.

>While exploring the ruins the crew come across a treasure valuable enough to buy a galaxy.

>While trying to turn a profit word gets out of the discovery.

>Several separate AdMech forces set out to find the RT. They don't even negotiate. They board and blam the crew and take off with the STC with no intention of sharing it, which immediately sparks wars within the AdMech trying to acquire it for their own.

>Other forces within the Imperium become involved, the Inquisition performing numerous, belligerent actions against members of the Mechanicus.

>Greed and pride has overridden logic as more and more AdMech openly defies the will of the Emperor declaring the STC Perfectus belongs to none, but the Omnissiah.

>A bloody campaign is waged to bring the AdMech back under control.

>Under the threat of annihilation and literal gunpoint of the Imperium's most loyal and fiercest servants, Techpriests decipher the STC in the presence of the Inquisition

>It contains plans for a portable mini-frige that uses a type of battery the Imperium doesn't have an STC for

>>50948360
Celebration..

>>50954342
To be fair, the Admech waged a ten year campaign once to get a STC plan for a self-heating cook pot.

>>50948360
>imperium finds uncorrupted STC
>it gets put on Mars and immediately lost in a library full of working STCs labeled "STC room"
>every tech adept assumes it to be a hoax because everyone knows theres no such thing as an uncorrupted STC

>>50948360
Correct me if I am wrong, but they already do. The first Gaunt's Ghosts novel is about them finding an STC that makes Iron Men it was curupted by chaos, but they mention that an STC that makes knives was discovered last and finding STC's is a 'once in a generation event'. 1000 years is a lot of generations.

>>50948360
i dont know but we're about to find out in our rogue trader game.

it may actually be corrupted and has passed all scans to the contrary

>>50955415
A full STC, not the partial bits that include single designs.

The complete STC is supposed to be a repository of how to make everything. The problem is that almost all of them have been completely destroyed or corrupted, so that only a few bits and pieces here and there can be used.

Why is old technology DAoT humans made okay while new technology is banned?

>>50955456
The idea is that the Mechanicus believe that all technology that is and ever will exist has ever been found.

If you've created something, it is inherently inferior to something that has already been created, no matter how built for a purpose or whatever insecurities you claim makes it good for you.

This means that innovation is cracked down upon in the majority of the population, as anyone who isn't a magos doesn't have the perspective and the knowledge of the 'true' technology to build something and be able to trust it. Even then, anything a Magos puts together needs to be tested with the utmost scrutiny and compared to ancient designs to discover what it is they actually have created, which is clearly a design from the past merely re-created.

It has to do with the fact that the DaoT imperium had way better tech than we have; Crazy shit like "The Land Raider is actually just a tractor that's so well-built it's better than any battle tank we've ever seen" better tech.

>>50955271

Or

>The Imperium finds an STC
>Due to a clerical error in transit it is placed aboard the wrong ship
>Instead of Mars it ends up in a backwater feral planet where no one can even begin to fathom what the fuck it is
>Mars gets a shipment of grain designed to be easy to farm for idiots

To be fair, the Imperium loses a lot of shit due to the mind boggling bureaucracy, like IG regiments and other dodads like that.

>>50955896
Imperium loses a lot thanks to Admechs alone. Cogboys caused more damage to humankind in 10k years than Chaos and Tyranids combined.

>they find a new stc page
>It's for a fancy hat

What happens next?

>>50955923
Lords of Terra waste 90 Guard regiments to claim it and acquire materials. Fancy hat which nobody has worn since DAoT is totally worth it.

>>50955923

Fancy hats is what drives the Imperium. The only question is who gets to wear it?

>>50955946
>and thus, the second great civil war began

>>50955946
Commence the Age of Hatostasy

>>50953726
Just wow.

>>50953726
Formula to create helicopters? What sorcery is this?

>>50955253
There was other good stuff in there too, to be fair. And self-heating cook pots are kinda nice for the guard.

>>50948360
The better question is; what WOULDN'T happen?

>>50955964
>lorgar launches a massive crusade for the STC because he need a bitchin space pope hat

>>50955253
A self-heating cook pot would save milions yearly on todays world, now image it on bilions of worlds with 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of families and guardsmans needing to cook daily

>>50956839
pretty much the reason the imperium cant get anything above a minor improvement STC

anything else would have a massive ripple effect saving countless resources manpower energy and time

>>50955476
>"The Land Raider is actually just a tractor that's so well-built it's better than any battle tank we've ever seen"
The land raider is a light civilian transport designed to go through feral/death worlds.

The baneblade chassis was a light tank, and the most common one

The imperial knights were civilian machinery to fight off megafauna and then have its weapons changed for tools so they could help stablish the colony.

The imperial knight strenght D chainweapon was made for cutting megatrees, tg rumours that it also has a megashovel STC somewhere

The catapracii terminator armor was a asteroid mining protection for civilians

The rhino was a civilian industrial truck

Same thing for the chimera, but for worse terrain

and so it goes on

>>50955896
>barbarian sham,ans learn how to use STC
>they find sweer claking field technology
>use it to cleak their planet
>tyraninds eat everything except the cloaked planet they can't find
>barbarians emege with all the meagre resources of barren galasy at their diosposal

>>50956893
Also you know those voidshields that protects entire hive worlds? they weren't military grade shields, just civilian ones for protection against natural disasters coming from space like a giant meteor.

The real military grade voidshields are those used to ward off the horus bombardment against the imperial palace. And it took several legions worth of firepower to breach it

>>50952793
>BEHOLD FEEBLE FLESH MINDS, FOR THE POWER OF THE MACHINE GOD HAS REVEALED THE SECRET MIGHT OF THE LASGUN
>*Changes the batteries from AA to AAA*
>*Takes the limiting nozzle off the front*
>*Flicks a switch from Dance Mode to Fire Mode*

>>50956958
AA to C anon, AAA is smaller than AA

>>50948360
Who found it?
>AdMech, non-heretikal
They start churning out "discoveries" under the guidance of the Omnisiah. Bolstering the the AdMech army to the point that they can overthrow Terra and bring the will of the Omnisiah to the galaxy. FTL tech means they don't need to travel through the warp anymore.

>Rogue Trader
Likely builds himself a crazy pirate ship and becomes space Nemo. Kind of a wildcard option.

>IG or Space Marines who aren't the Iron Hands
Likely destroy it as it has tech that brought about a cataclysm that ended the previous Imperium. Rip a few weapon plans off it first.

>Iron Hands
Not sure, but they probably try to use the tech to genocide at least one of the Imperium's problems before the other groups try to get them to give it to them, resulting in 40k End Times.

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>>50956893
Wasn't the Terminator armor initially based on the armor worn by Reactor maintenance personnel? Could swear i remember that from somewhere.

>>50957016
>AdMech Heretik
Adds the new faction Iron Men to the game/universe. They are basically Crons.

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>>50956984
Do not question the Machine Spirit REEEEEEEEEE

>>50957029
Or basically skynet.

>>50957017
Reactors workers, deep space mining, planetary core mining, hydrogen scooping from starts, i remember seeing quotes about all of that, GW is kind of inconsistent

>>50957069
or maybe it was all of that, i mean, why not? if it was a SUPER PROTECTION it could be used for everything

>>50956958
I lol'd

>>50952581
STCs are found only when GW wants to sell a new model. STCs are lost when they want to end the production of a poorly selling one.

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>>50957017
that pic reminds me more of the dreadknight chassis

>>50953323
Like 1st edition plasmaguns? And meltaguns with a blast template? And autoguns with a 32 inch range? And chainswords that did +1 S?

>>50957118
Then why does the dreadknight still exist?

>>50957142
because it sells

>>50952581
Those are print-outs or templates from an stc machije. A working STC machine contains the sum knowledge of daot era mankind and can give exact instructions on how to build anything using the materials available, and descriptions of stc templates are used as standard wank-material by tge adeptus mechanicus.

>>50957149
There's little to suggest that each STC had ALL of the DAoT's tech in it, as many were sent to non-military installations. Rather, an STC is likely the general term for the hyper-advanced computers designed to work with the STC manufacturing bases, but not all of them would've had every design, you'd probably have had the colonist ones, the military ones and the like.

>>50957789
They were intended for long term isolated colonies - Colonies that would have to defend themselves, between establishment and reconnecting with the rest of the empire.

>>50957817
True, but that still doesn't suggest having every single piece of technology in it. There's still political stability and control to worry about, even for the Dark Age, and since STCs were given out like candy to expansionist factions I doubt they'd have put the superweapon blueprints in all of them.

A shit load of technology? Sure. All of it? Absolutely no reason to.

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>>50952505
>Salami, Tomato and Cheese
Holy shit that would be a bad sandwich.

there would be some weapons on them but the boon would largely be in logistics. If they could only find an STC for plasma containment, for example, suddenly plasma guns become 100% safe and are much easier to produce.

>>50957149
>>50957789
>>50957817
>>50957831
The Omnicopaeia is what holds it all and then some
Right now its on a fortress or forge world that the Admech are mobilizing everything they can to go after it

>>50948377
They're doing pretty well in the 41st millennium. The doomsday clock right now is at 3 minutes to midnight.

>>50957870
I was under the impression that the Omnicopaeia was just a fully functioning STC that was especially used for the Dark Age's psychic technology, and would therefore have not just a bunch of psychic shit but also all the basics to reverse-engineer and cross-reference, where was it revealed that it had everything?

>>50955456
During the DAoT humanity created AI that was the biggest threat to humanity seen in the universe so far (this is before the horus heresy so even chaos wasn't a known/huge threat to the imperium).
After humanity defeated the AI, the emperor banned the development of certain types of technology on the basis that we'd end up with another AI war. Of course once the emperor ended up on the golden throne a lot of his teachings got interpreted incorrectly meaning many amongst the inquisition and mechanicus believe that any development of technology is heretical.

>>50948360
A puritan inquisitor would recognize the abominable self improving machine for what it is and immediately destroy it.

>>50957919
>Inquisitor
>Having a say in AdMech matters
>Destroying a fully functioning STC

Well done starting a civil war with the AdMech that the Imperium can't win, Inquisition.

>>50957896
Its got it all including some information on humanities psychic evolution.
Hell it could very well have the knowledge needed to fix the golden throne.

>>50955476
>>50956893
its the leman russ chasis that was the tractor.

>>50957945
Reminder that STC produced plans were considered bulky and simple by the standards of technology when they were made. The STC was not cutting edge, it just produced workable plans for backwater colonies that needed an infrastructure fast to defend itself.

>>50957945
No, the Land Raider was actually used in agriculture, this was covered in the old Epic rulebooks, the Leman Russ was (as far as I can remember) never said to be anything from the Dark Age, the tractor theory is entirely fandom-spawned.

>>50957964
>>50957945
>>50957961
As far as the wikis know the leman russ was named after Leman Russ, so looks like thats a 'new' model

>>50958021
Land Raider and Land Speeder were named after the magos who discovered STCs for them. I guess, Leman Russ is just a popular army name and Admechs use different names for these models.

>>50948360
>What happens if the imperium gets its hands on a working uncorrupted STC?
it says something retarded and gets shot

>>50957896
The Omnicopaeia is not just fully functioning STC.

This is in fact a fully functioning STC DATABASE that has ALL STC the Imperium has and ALL OTHER STC the Imperium HASN'T + a lot of other things.

If the AdMech gets its hands on it, the Imperium wins via ability to build stuff they back then couldn't or did before the HH erupted.

Problem is that it may be on a DAEMON WORLD on the border between the warp and materium. Deep under ground.

Still the AdMech is planning to waltz there in with a ginormous force. The biggest AdMech force that was assembled and conquer the place.

YES. THE ADMECH WANT TO INVADE AND CONQUER A DAEMON WORLD WHERE THE OMNICOPAEIA MAY BE BURIED DEEP UNDERGROUND.

>>50958207
Yeah, an STC library on a Daemon World. I'm sure that's going to work out just fine (although the AdMech has assembled three BILLION skiitari to take over the place, so I'm pretty sure they'll at least succeed in getting the damn thing).

>>50958222
The actual problem is not the forces.

I do hope they'll call in some allies to aid them and take with them some Titan Legions.

THE REAL PROBLEM IS IF THE OMNICOPAEIA IS CORRUPT OR NOT.

>>50958207
Wouldn't it be corrupted as shit by Daemons then?
Thus making it highly dangerous to any who get near it?

>it produces, amongst other things, sentient daemonic Men of Iron Titans, Suits of armor filled with daemon flesh and magiks, Daemon Engines, the obliterator virus, phallic looking farm equipment, agriculture looking sex toys, and uninteresting combat knives.

Now I just want to sit here all day and come up with random war tainted shit.

>>50956893
So it's a range rover

>>50958263
See >>50958246

That's the actual problem here.

Even if the AdMech managed, at a great cost and downright defiance of Chaos, conquer and purge the Daemon World, the possibility of the darn thing being corrupted is real.

This also depends on how deep it's buried or how corrupted the Daemon World is.

And since it's close to the warp, but is in the materium, and the Omnicopaeia might be VERY DEEP underground, then there is a sliver of hope it may be daemon-free.

>>50958304
it might be warp resistant with having knowledge about physkers and their powers

>>50958311
STC can do this?

>>50958304
It'd be cool if the machiens derived from the Omnicopaeia helped the Imperium to fucking wreck the Tyranids and the Necrons and then promptly turn on the Imperium and start malfunctioning when the forces of Chaos arrive.

>>50949019
What about the relentless hordes of big green men that defy your reality and substitute their own?

Do servo skulls got bits of brain in them? I know the imperium outlawed ai but I don't see any mention on if these things are a human controling them or whatever.

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>>50958365
Shit thought this was the 40k general

>>50958317
>Chaos wins again

Because TET was such a good idea...

>>50958365
Well AI does exist in the Imperium, but the machines who don't have a normal machine spirit are dumbed down to the level of a 7-year old and have shitloads of logic gates installed into them.

So why are GW so against changing the story status quo in 40k? I can't see any monetary reason why that'd be so bad other than faction loyalist neckbeardos getting upset if their team got shafted in the plot.

>>50958393
Actually they are moving the story.

>Fenris is fucked and so do the Space Wolves.
>The Changeling spilled the secret of the Dark Angels.
>Cadia is going to fall.

>>50958393
Because loyalist neckbeards would get upset if their faction got shafted.

Everything's so precariously "oooh, on the brink of annihilation" that they can't really advance anything without competely gutting a faction.

Chaos is preparing for a black crusade... so either they fuck Cadia and rampage into realspace, or their armies are smashed to hell and don't achieve shit.

Crons are waking up... so either their 'newly awoken' shit is ludicrously powerful (like the crons at their peak) and breaks the setting balance, or it's underwhelming and makes the crons look weak.

The Tau either win expansion wars, make themselves a target and get taken out by the Imperium... or they don't expand and the Imperium comes and wipes them out eventually. OR the Tau develop game-breaker technology and can now stand on even terms with the Imperium, making the Imperium appear pathetic.

>>50958392
What exactly are machine spirits? Actualy souls that exist in ANY sufficiently advanced machine, even a mechanical clock, or are they AI? Maybe the spirits of whoevers brainy bits were used in the machines construction?

Don't land raiders have animal brains in them or some crazy shit like that?

>>50958489
They are a mix of machinery and organic stuff if you are talking about Land Raiders.

Other Machine Spirits probably vary depending on machine.

>>50958365
>>50958489
Remember, there's a massive difference between the modern definition of artificial intelligence and 40k's definition, or 'abominable intelligence.' Servo-Skulls and Tarantula Sentry Guns are two examples of straight-up AI modern viewpoints, but are not by the AdMech's.

Abominable intelligence, essentially, has to either be sapient or adaptable enough that it pisses off the Magos Juris.

Machine Spirit, on the other hand, is the term given to a large collection of phenomena, from 'ghosts in the machine' deals to legitimate adaptive software programs to actual Warp-presence in the machine to simply an attempt at giving the most basic weapon a 'personality' with which to reference it.

This is the Cult Mechanicus, nothing is as simple as a rigid definition you can fit in a sentence.

>>50958524
So things like a standard bolter don't actually have an kind of spirit, right?

And a lot of stuff that seems to have a spirit is more like a modified Siri than actual sentience? But then if they get too smart it's heresy?

I read somewhere on /tg/ over a year ago that to "appease the machine-spirit" of bolters you have to disassemble the weapon, clean in, and anoint it in holy oils while chanting and burning incense. Which is just basic weapon maintenance with a bit more flowering.

I should probably start reading novels.

>>50958610
>So things like a standard bolter don't actually have an kind of spirit, right?

Debatable, but in practice? No. The AdMech still says they have a machine-spirit that they refer to, but don't take anything the AdMech say literally (people who do often vastly misunderstand the whole point of the AdMech's linguo and themes in the first place.)

>And a lot of stuff that seems to have a spirit is more like a modified Siri than actual sentience? But then if they get too smart it's heresy?

Kinda, at this point you have to consider that to be Abominable Intelligence the Magos Juris have to say so, it's universally accepted that Tau Drones and the Men of Iron are AI, for example, but with other stuff it really depends on the Forgeworld and their adherence to the Cult Mechanicus. Typically, an AI is an AI when it becomes completely self-adaptable, sapient or is otherwise intelligent enough to bypass its own core programming.

>I read somewhere on /tg/ over a year ago that to "appease the machine-spirit" of bolters you have to disassemble the weapon, clean in, and anoint it in holy oils while chanting and burning incense. Which is just basic weapon maintenance with a bit more flowering.

'Appeasing the machine spirit' is a common theme amongst the Adeptus Mechanicus, one they teach all the lower-order adepts and non-AdMech as a necessary practice. True Magi and the Techpriests who actually understand the technology know full-well that it's not necessary for physical operation, but still believe that to disrespect the Omnissiah is to 'call down the wrath of the Machine Spirits' (see: Cogitators getting corrupted, guns jamming/becoming less reliable etc. etc.), in a way, the AdMech aren't wrong in this, they just go about it in a very complex manner. Some of the rituals actually work/are necessary, but of course even these are bogged down by 10,000 years of forgetfulness or overzealous Magi 'discovering' a new part of the rite and forcing it into the local customs.

>>50948803
>>50952394
Yep

>>50949019

Eh, I don't think it will actually end on that kind of note, not when they already used up that plot to wrap up WHFB. That, and it would end up being chaos versus tyranids versus necrons, which is even MORE grimdark and you now have nobody for the audience to sympathize with.

>>50958314

Given how advanced the STC is, it's not impossible that it has a dumb AI guiding and defending it; not truly self aware, but manually programmed to be prepared for just about anything.

>>50958683
>Some of the rituals actually work/are necessary
That's kinda what I had thought, oiling and cleaning weapons is definitely something your military should be doing often, but treating it as sacred probably isn't.
Fucking AdMech seems to just go around abusing their authority. But if slapping their dicks on an Imperial Titans cogitators is how they get their kicks then who am I to judge?
I assume one of their driving motivations is fear of things collapsing again though. Or offending god or whatever. The omnissiah ain't actually the emperor though, is he? Rather it's the Void Dragon, I believe.

>>50958750
THANK THE EMPEROR IF THAT'S TRUE.

>>50958758
>I assume one of their driving motivations is fear of things collapsing again though. Or offending god or whatever.

Pretty much the shtick of the entire Imperium is they're following practical laws placed down during the HH/GC to a fanatical degree, and through 10,000 years we've lost any leader figures competent enough to keep it cohesive as it used to be. Their motivation is one of fanaticism to a cause or tradition that's been drilled into them since the beginning as the logical one.

>The omnissiah ain't actually the emperor though, is he? Rather it's the Void Dragon, I believe.

The actual Omnissiah's existence is suspect and never objectively defined. We know that the Void Dragon, however, is not the Omnissiah, as in Cult Mechanicus scriptures he's never defined as something physical or tangible, nor is he described as being on Mars, rather he's closer to actually being the divine presence of physics/technology itself, a philosophy that is extremely popular with the chemists/physicists/mathematician Magi. The Void Dragon was, however, likely influential to the creation of the concept, as the Cult Mechanicus thrived on Mars during the isolationist Age of Strife, where the Void Dragon's influence, however little, was present.

>>50956893
I want citation on literally every single fucking one of these.

>>50958897
The ones about Imperial Knights are definitely true, their history is described in the Codex. They were used to help establish and defend colonies from native wildlife and alien raiders during the Dark Age of Technology.

Everything else is mostly bunk. Though the underlying technology behind Terminator Armour was based on suits used to protect people who needed to repair toxic reactors and the like, so there's some truth there.

>>50958919
Wasn't the RH1-N0 an exploratory vehicle used on Mars? And the Forge World store does definitely describe the Land Raider Phobos as a common assault and exploration vehicle, fielded during "the dawning days of Mankind's galactic empire".

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>>50948360
Depends if the STC is actually about something useful and not a blueprint of a super-toaster.

>>50958949
*Land Raider Proteus
My mistake there, not Phobos.

>>50958897
Baneblade and land raider things come from 1ed epic, the imperial knights from the codex itself but the megashovel is a joke. Also when 'the baneblade was a light tank' he's not talking about the current baneblade but the vehicle the baneblade was based upon

Terminator i don't really know but its something 'everyone knows' because it was said so many times in so many places, the suits ancestors were protection against *mundane* things like radiation, reactor cores and mining

>>50957016
I like the Iron Hands approach. Really pity I don't have an army of them.

>>50957854
Salami, mozzarella, and heirloom tomatoes on crusty bread with garlic basil butter and grilled/Panini? How does that sound bad? Throw some baby spinach or arugula there? Top tier.

>>50948803
/thread

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>>50953369
Getting there irl

if we're talking full on STC, like, the works, has the schematics for building replicators and weapons and vehicles etc. etc. then I'd imagine GW makes a new human splinter faction. Using the fanciest of fancy crap, they begin building their own small empire. except, unlike the imperium, they have an incredibly small population and not nearly as many production facilites to begin pumping this stuff out. they're confined to a single, super well defended planet or system and they serve as an alternate human faction that is low model count but very expensive.

>>50952846
>PBJ sandwich STC

I also hope that someone has a screencap of this.

>>50955444
The funny thing is that the Mechanicus already in canon has a full STC, they just don't know they do because they're shit with technology. Also the STCs are in their complete form sentient, and after the war with the Men of Iron aren't too keen on letting humans know they're not just a dumb machine spirit.

>>50956984
Ssshhh, we can't have it be too strong anon. The AdMech has to have something up their sleeves for leverage the next time the Inquisition comes knocking.

>>50962419
>Mechanicus already in canon has a full STC
you what m8? the STC in mars got corrupted during the iron man war, and then possessed after the fall of mars during the heresy. For all we know the deep regions of mars are full of rogue machine spirit controlled techbullshit

>>50948360
Super Federation, with black-hole creating pistols and nanomachines made of hard light everywhere.

>>50953726
We need more like this

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>>50948846
I totally agree, Horus Heresy is super homo-erotic and lame. Marines are the most overdone faction in 40k and HH is just playing on Marine fanboys.
>Just big manly men muscled men with no girls allowed rubbing their hot boltguns together.

>>50964015
Read the Ark Mechanicus book. The ship has a full STC, but everytime they interface with the ship they forget it

>>50958953
That actually happened in a Deathwatch game I ran.

>>50957926
Who says the AdMech would find out?

>>50961825
So, basically super-Space Marines? They'd become the most popular faction instantly because of how little it'd cost to make an army of them.

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>>50958953
>shittalking the Omnissiahs holy super toaster
Fucking hereteks

>>50948360
the mechanicum's autism kicks in, and they go to war for it, destroying 3 sectors in the process.
then they take it to mars to be a sacred icon of the omnissiah and nobody fucking touches it for the next 5 millenniums.

>>50957016
>FTL tech means they don't need to travel through the warp anymore.
But anon, warp travel was the best method that man could develop.

>>50958263

Warp bomb. Exists in a few recent novels, blasts warpspace back to normalspace and basically leaves it unable to be re-subsumed. Also forces out demonic entities when the field is sustained at close range.

Downside: warp incursion travels back along your warp trail to the system you came from and inundates everything there. So whatever mustering ground they use is super-boned. And you still have to kill any other shit locally, so that campaign's gonna be huge regardless.

>>50969248
No. Super space merchant prince- so that's where GW got the idea of rogue traders from.

>>50958718

>end

It's not going to end. GW will go out of business before there is a canon end to the 40k universe. The only reason they did it with Fantasy was so they could make fantasy space marines.

>>50969756
And turn a profit

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First off, all you fuckers have it absolutely wrong. The Imperium functions on priorities, period. And the top priority is to make sure the Golden Throne works forever and preserves the Emperor's life for all eternity.

An STC will do that. A complete STC will do more than that - it would make possible the conversion of the Golden Throne to the Golden God. All will tremble in the God-Emperor's ascendancy to the Super God-Emperor.

>>50966054

The Esperanza? The ship has an AI that the touched by the machine spirit character draws out, but I don't recall it ever coming up that the ship has a full STC. Workshops and forges and shit, yes, because it's an ark. But the STC for everything mankind ever made? Nope, don't recall that at all.

>>50969986
the ship is enourmous enough to tranport a bunch of titans and have mock city sized battles in some of its cargo bays its got to have workshops and forges consideraing all the other crazy shit it had

>>50970013

Like I said, workshops and forges, yes. A dormant AI, yes. But not a full STC. That's setting-breaking.

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>>50970013
>the ship is enourmous enough to tranport a bunch of titans
Titans are little kids near a escort ship, titans are small as fuck, even the smallest of escorts can transport a bunch of titans.

The imperator class titan is as big as a SMALL ship-to-ship bomber

>>50959041
I always read the "Leaman Russ is a tractor" stuff in the same sense that "a T-34 was a tractor" that is it may share parts and be built in the same factory but it's still tank

>>50957896
>>50957870
Omnicopaeia might even have whatever can fix the flaw in the Golden Throne, too.

Not to derail the thread, but I've always been curious about what would happen to a crew of normal humans from say the late 21st century who, through some sort of accedental warp shinanigans or maybe just "conventional" time dialation, arrived near Holy Terra circa M41.

They're genetically pure, no mutations, no chaos corruption, and they while they don't have an STC or anything they do have knowledge of historical Earth.

Who grabs them up and for what reasons? Do they get made into servitors to serve as grim dark zambonees? Do they get locked in some Inquisition gilded cage for the rest of their lives to be quizzed over ancient Terra? Do they get brought before the golden throne to have their heads exploded for some reason?

I would like to think the Admech makes them into Cog-Popes where they walk around Idiocracy style and say things like "you can just flip the light switch, you don't need to pray at it for 5 hours because....uh....the Machine Spirits told me so."

>>50970436
>Do they get locked in some Inquisition gilded cage for the rest of their lives to be quizzed over ancient Terra?
That is the most likely scenario.

>>50970436
>Genetically pure
>Immediately die from horrible future virus everyone is immune to

Evolution is a bitch

>>50952293
Sexually Transmitted Corruption

>>50970460
Naw, The Enterprise would dance rings around those stupid metal cathedrals the Empire use, Kirk would get off with the female inquisitors and most of the Soritas, Bones would cure the Emperor of his crippling illness with a single injection, Scotty would jury rig the Golden Throne to work properly and not need 1000 souls a day to power it, while Spock creates a logic loop that causes the Omnisia to disappear up it's own mechanical anus.

>>50970149
Are you sure the ship scales arn't off or increased over the years? Those side guns on the battleship were originally supposed to be Macro Cannons, the weapon that a titan can carry on it's shoulders. From your picture it looks like the titan could crawl down them.

>>50952293

A sign that you need to read more fluff.

>>50970750
Macrocannons are like cannons, they come in all sizes and shapes. Just check the origina battlefleet ghotic for ship sizes, or if you are lazy go to any wiki.

Even the biggest titan is just a ant near warp-capable crafts. Space is big with few to no limitations, and like so are the ships; the smallest torpedoes have more than a hundred metres, way, way higher than any imperial titan.

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>>50970436
Ordo Chronos of the holy emperors Inquisition do what they do best, well other than go mysteriously missing anyway.

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>>50958263
>Now I just want to sit here all day and come up with random war tainted shit.

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>>50970750
>Are you sure the ship scales arn't off or increased over the years?

Those ship scales are *decreased*. Comparing known sizes of vehicles like Thunderhawks to some of the earlier, Battlefleet Gothic-era artwork gets you 5km long escorts, 12-15km long cruisers, and 20-ish km long capital ships. Likewise, early fluff and the still-extant fluff about whole civilizations being lost in the bowels of ships generally indicates that the ships are much bigger than what's in the image; for a 20,000-person civilization to be *completely undetected* within a vessel, you'd need ships to be almost an order of magnitude larger than those.

Heck, it's still canon that it takes 3,000 people to live inside and man a battleship lance turret (BFG), and given that we know how big a lance turret is compared to the rest of the ship, the ships are severely undersized now. Even if they're as cramped as a WW2 submarine (likely, given grimdark), the turrets still have to be ~250m wide and long (or thereabouts) just to fit the people**, and that's leaving out the actual turret rotation/elevation machinery and the actual lance itself. 400m length/wide for a lance turret is a reasonable estimate, whereas in the image, they're less than half that size. Double the lance size, double the size of the ship to match: that Retribution should be ~15km long, not 7.5km (not including the prow ram).

The ship scales got dialed back somewhat post-BFG, and severely dialed-back to what they are now by the FFG books and the Rogue Trader game specifically.

**The setting may be dark and grim, but you still have to keep your lance turret peons alive to do their jobs. That means certain minimum spaces set aside for sleeping, eating, medical, and so forth; literally having people chained to their station 24/7 will kill your crew faster than you can replace them since it's not uncommon to go 6 months to a year between replenishment stops. All that stuff is canonically *inside* the turret itself.

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>>50973951
Not that anon but; for all we know the interiors aren't cramped as we have seen inner atmosfere areas as big as entire neighborhoods in novels.

Also pic and related

>>50974592

That only supports his point, though. If you start putting giant void spaces into the turrets, the 3k people have more space, yes. Also, the turret has to be bigger. Anon was discussing the minimum feasible size of the turrets given the canon population number. Your argument makes them even bigger and therefore increases the size of the ships even more.

Also, non-canon image is non-canon. But your larger point is valid, yes.

>>50955456
It's a riff on medieval European scholars - many who were monks - who believed the Romans and Greeks knew everything and anything new was crap plus tainted be heathens
That's why they resisted Arabic/Indian numerals and algebra - until some people used them and got an advantage over then suddenly oh yeah these were great let's just cut out the heathers part in it and write histories saying they only preserved Greek knowledge
Just like how admech retcon the land raider crusader

>>50957964
No that was the land crawler
Some of that will get retconned as the original fluff had land dying before the Heresy - so the traitors didn't get many speeders which were the latest stuff - and now he will be at the siege

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>> 50975406
I never said this would not support his point about the ships being smaller nowadays. Its really easy to know that the ships are smaller than they used to be, just check the original BFG book.

>non-canon image is non-canon
The main pic is based on a really old and crappy pic from oldhammer. I can't really find the original right now but i have this one from the 'same era'

>>50956893
>plowshares into swords

It works with the theme of 40k.

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>>50976118
More like woodcuters into swords. The weapons are 'undockable', they can be disconnected and then a tool connected in its place

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>>50961825
This what I never understood. Instead of making speace weaboo taushit commies that don't really fit the setting, why did they not make a human splinter faction with fancy tech? even more space nazi and hatred of psykers or some shit.

>>50970436
Ordo Chronos

>>50977029
>>50973046

Why would Ordo Chronos be involved with a ship crew that experienced time dialation? A bussard ramjet (easily explained as DAoT) ship that traveled a good clip from Sol and back could only be a few hundred years old in relative time but could have traveled 40k years to arrive back at Holy Terra.

>Presuming it doesn't get blasted into void dust by the Imperial Navy while decelerating back into Sol

>>50977615
They are still people out of time with a way of thinking that could cause major changes in Imperium. The latter portion is the inquisition's deal and since they fit nowhere else Chronos gets them by default due to the former.

>>50970436
>I would like to think the Admech makes them into Cog-Popes where they walk around Idiocracy style and say things like "you can just flip the light switch, you don't need to pray at it for 5 hours because....uh....the Machine Spirits told me so."

AdMech stuff is so far abov our tech, people from our time would join the AdMech to venerate the godlike machines.

>>50969637
Necrons disagree anon

>>50981048
It really would be in humanity's best interest to discover how to replicate necron tech. Even if it's only the FTL shit. Too bad that's super heretical xeno archeotech.

>>50981048
>>50981149

I thought the whole Inertialess drives thing was retconned to the Necrons just using stolen/captured parts of the webway.

>>50981048
Inertialess drives are slower than light now, plus they breake into the webway

>>50955253
Source?

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>>50955964
I lost it

>>50969986
The ship's AI is actually a complete, self-updating STC. Unfortunately, it doesn't particularly care about saving the Imperium, and if you talk to it you immediately forget about it.

So yeah, the Imperium has a full STC, it's just completely fucking useless because the status quo couldn't survive if they knew about it and actually extracted its knowledge.