/STG/ - Star Trek General

>>50944464
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You can't get one of /tg/'s oldest and shittiest jokes right? Seriously?

>>50944464
>>50943395
>Quantum Slipstream
shitty plot device in VOY, only still exists because of STO.

>Borg tech
In STO, the UFP fucks up the Tal Shiar not bc they're bad guys, but because they're experimenting with Borg shit. Given experience with Locutus et al, they'd probably see it as some Trek equivalent of tech-heresy.

>phased cloaks
Wiki says Hobus was a "major setback" instead of dissolving the RSE wholesale; hell, more extreme Romulans a la STO might be an interesting BBEG/distraction/pawn.

>tricobalt
Big booms, nasty booms, but not much more. Plus, they appear to fuck up subspace something bad [incredibly subtle nuclear weapon metaphor here], so they're rarely used and only with multiple boffs in agreement. Might be a shitty Deus Ex for some scenarios, but hardly show-breaking.

>EMH
Still no substitute for a real doctor, according to what we see of the situation back home in Voy. Hell, they could just be entirely removed from Starfleet service; Voyager's Doctor and some shit about hologram rights would be a decent excuse if the writers were to do that.

>ECH
Voyager desperately needed a well-written character on the bridge apart from Tuvok

>Sovereign
Big, expensive and by extension rare, so just a shootier and less hippie Galaxy. Only really useful as a protag ship in films or in big wars since shootiness usually takes a backseat in Trek (Cryptic take note)

>Defiant
Too small, uncomfortable and short ranged for exploration, probably relegated to planetary/station defence.

>Akira
All busy being assigned to torpedofags playing YtA

>Intrepid
Fast, sciency, and pretty as shit, but squishy and undergunned. Good protag ship for a Trek series, but nothing particularly OP about it.

>Prometheus
>le multi-vector assault meme
What would the amerifats have done if some squints or russians had stolen a YF-22? Certainly not have put the type into service; the UFP probably would've quietly mothballed the prototype and used the best bits somewhere else.

>>50944631
>I don't understand how Federation R&D works, the post
The Romulans didn't actually succeed in stealing the Prometheus.

>>50944655
>I don't understand how OpSec works, the post
Fine - they got their hands on it temporarily at least. But, given Fed experience with Romulans, you think they'd just sit back and go "See, we got it back now, everything's okay. Not like there's anything wrong with how they were able to get on board and probably found details of our cutting edge systems or possible vulnerabilities. Business as usual."

>>50944631
What is YtA?

>>50945326
You're the Admiral. It's a game about Being the Admiral assigned to oversee Starfleet operations in a sector. You get a small fleet of ships, usually with restrictions on haw many capital ships and cruisers you can have as part of your task force, and then you follow a series of occurrence, stating what you would do and what ships you would assign. Then the idea is that you argue about what was the right choice for that situation and so on.

>>50944762
We can assume that most of the data they ascertained died with the Romulans aboard the Prometheus when Sexfiend and Doctor saved the day.

>>50945717
>what even are subspace transmissions

>>50945326
>>50945453
To expand on the joke, a common proposed solution to any scenario is torpedo spam, usually delivered via Akiras (such as in previous thread)

>>50945741
>what is encryption

I'm not saying that the Romulans didn't get valuable information. But it's very likely that in the short time that they controlled the ship they weren't able to interact with her encrypted databases. So key details about the ship and her development were unavailable, hence why the Romulans wanted to get her back over the border. If they had been able to just download all of her information then they could have just slipped back over the border in a cloaked shuttle.

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>>50944631
Funny thing about borg tech in STO.
We hate Tal shiar for studying it while still flying in ships like this ourself.

>>50945840
That's because the Tal Shiar don't know what they're messing with (or, more likely, know, but don't care). Meanwhile, the Federation has experience doing it safely (Delta Flyer has Borg tech). Doesn't help that the Tal Shiar is using the more evil parts, like experimenting with body mods and assimilation in general.

Finished TOS and the TOS movies. Watching TNG. Obviously I've picked up a few things about the universe, but I see people rattling off absurd amounts of lore and shit. How does one even learn that?

Also, are the books canon, and how good are they?

>>50946431
>body mods
>inherently evil
What. Tattoos, subdermal implants, prosthetic limbs, etc., are all evil?

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>>50944631
>>50945840
So is the end game for the Trek setting after the TNG era going to be like what happened in Babylon 5? Where everyone and their grandmother will try to stitch superior tech into their current shit and hope they don't royally fuck something up while doing it?
>TFW Earth spaceship skinned in Shadow tech....EWW!

>>50946913
It's ugly and tacky because Trek exists in visual media and vidya. It could just as easily be more subtle, like darker gray hull plating, and muted green nacelles, impulse engines, and drflectors.

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>>50946913
Essentially.
Hell, the last stuff to grind in the game are the reputation tiers which give you access to stores where you can buy some anti-X forces special equipment which is made 20% of Feddie/Klink/Rom tech and the rest is made of the tech of the shit they are killing there.
Also omega particles which apparently when detonated, are supposed to wipe out entire star systems and create an area where you cant warp travel.
That shit is used in some rare and VERY good upgrade tokens.

>>50946958
You just described the hull modifiers of Delta quadrant tech.

>>50946861

>rattling off absurd amounts of lore

I've been watching Trek since I was four. You pick up on this stuff over time. Occasionally you retain something because it's so absurd, offends your sensibilities, or is too ridiculous to forget.

>books canon?

Nope. But neither is the Starfleet Technical Manual, the TNG Technical Manual, the DS9 Technical Manual, or any of the RPG supplements.

In my opinion, it doesn't ultimately matter. Take what you like, and run with it. Just bear in mind that TV shows/movies may contradict other sources (and even themselves occasionally).

>>50945833
Dropkick the encrypted files back to a listening post, let the Tal Shiar decode it at their leisure. I'm not saying they could've been able to get every design detail and trick that Fed R&D had come up with, but even a glance at the MSD probably would've been an eyeful of military secrets.

>>50946913
That's the endgame of STO at least; >>50944631 is me making the point that trek doesn't suddenly turn into OPplsnerf after DS9 or the TNG films' time period. Also, your pic related looks like a marital aid.

>>50947330
>Also, your pic related looks like a marital aid.
It's B5 shadow tech that just been slapped on something.
>TFW yes and your point is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3ro-QEiBg

>>50947046
>that breen skin
STILL MAD. So damn lazy with the UV mapping. Sad, when the rest of them are so sexy.

>>50947307
Yet again, if they could transmit the encrypted files to a Tal Shiar base for code-braking then why even bother to hijack the ship. The files are likely completely inaccessible, kept in a seperate database to the ship's general programming. The Romulans have no way to access the files to transmit them in the first place. The most valuable information they've likely been able to transmit is ship movements and IFF tags for various Starfleet vessels. But those are things they could acquire from a Runabout or a Miranda.

>>50947491
D-did you actually read the rest of the post, fampai?

>>50947617
All the schematics in the galaxy won't give you a 100% complete picture of how the ship works in practice. Plus stealing the ship itself means that new starfleet has nothing to show for a presumably costly R&D program from their next generation starship.

>>50947661
you're implying that, without prior access to the database, they could just send the files via subspace transmission. But if they don't have acess to the files in the first place, then they can't load them into a transmission. It's like trying to move a file out of a folder you don't have admin permission for. You don't know what's in there because you can't even open the folder. Nor can you move the folder or duplicate it. Short of spoofing the adminpass, you ain't getting at those files. Which is presumably why they need to bring the ship into romulan space.

At the end of the day, the Romulan's scheme is a PR embarrasment to Starfleet and a mild inconvenience to logistical planning and starfleet intelligence. The Romulans don't have blueprints, nor any of the restricted information for the project.

>>50947661

apologies I meant >>50947748 for >>50947617

>>50946881
Yes

>>50947771
On what basis?

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>>50947307
I'm guessing the most detail they could get ship-wise was what the doctor could get which was just a very general overview. And the files could have been booby trapped like blowing the whole computer core if they were removed improperly.
>TFW the MSD ain't that special it's slightly different to other ships of its sizes just with more shit cramped into it than usual.

>>50947661
>>50947748
You don't NEED a 100% complete picture of how the ship works in practice, because for a ship like the Prometheus every bit of it is information that can't afford to be compromised. Why the fuck would the amerifats, squints and russkies be so obsessive about media getting access or taking photos of their newest toys, if you could only devise a counter to them by stealing the entire thing wholesale? By sending sensitive information, I don't mean rooting around in the database for Super Secret Federation Enigma Codes, I mean that on a ship as fancy and far ahead of its contemporaries as the Prometheus (MVAM, and the fact that it rekt three warbirds while completely unmanned save for three EMHs), pretty much everything bar the replicators are probably going to be restricted information.

>>50947866
PARANOIA! and mostly PR
But in the Trek setting, it is lots of guys playing poker and bluffing heavily mostly.

>>50947866
Your still ignoring the central question of why would they be able to send a bazillion gigaquads of data over a non-trivial distance with the subspace transmitters they had available, encrypted data or not? Most likely scenario is that they send over an incomplete set of specs before their signal gets jammed by a starfleet intelligence who now know exactly where they are. Your comparisons to modern cyberwarfare aren't wrong, but by the same token the use of (subspace)radio silence has just as much merit.

>>50947958
That and that anon forgot just how big a file that could be. They might have needed the deflector disc and whole shit ton of power to send that data back home. It is possible that kind of access and mod was not available to them. So they had to take the whole thing with them if they wanted the info.

>>50947791
It makes them look evil

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>>50948051
>friend had to have both her legs amputated for medical reasons
>mfw "wearing prosthetic legs is evil"

Also tattoos can be sexy as fuck.

>>50948114
In trek, you don't need prosthetics, they can just regrow you some new limbs as we've seen with Nog during the war when his leg was blown off.

But if you forgo that and get yourself some super robot legs so you can run and jump faster than a normal human, now you're a nazi scumbag worth only of Picard's disappointing glance and Worf's whispers of your lack of honor for daring to be more through artificial means.

There would have to be some kind of horrible downside like Geordi's visor where you can never see things normally and have it fly off in the most gentle of breezes leaving you horrifically useless, also women will never love you and only an android will be your friend.

>>50948453
So all that time Gordie could have had new real boy eyes, the things he always wanted, with no complications and just a simple medical procedure? I'm calling either bullshit or criminally inconsistent writing.

Also Picard let a world die, nearly let a 2nd world die, tried to abduct a colony of people off a planet against their will, guilt tripped Riker into letting a little girl die, didn't say a word about Riker beaming down to a planet and murdering a bunch of dudes in their sleep, denied trillions of people the fountain of Eternal Youth and Health, let a bunch of terrorists abduct the ruling council of a planet for shits and giggles and refused to potentially save quadrillions of people from the Borg because muh feelz.

To say nothing of that piece of cold dead metal that beats in his chest.

His disappointment is a sign that this is the right path to take and I would bask in that glance like the first rays of warm sun after winter.

Also Worf would be a hypocrite given that his spine was grown in a jar by completely artificial methods.

>>50944631
>What would the amerifats have done if some squints or russians had stolen a YF-22? Certainly not have put the type into service

I guess you're aware that the Chinese J20 and J31 are both heavily influenced by what the US considers stolen dev work from the F22 and F35 programs, but that given the lead time to design these new fighters it simply isn't practical to mothball them *while the potential enemy has two similarly advanced aircraft*.

The truth is that these craft will all, in the event of all-out war, rely on weight of numbers, not technical tricks; those tricks will come into play - severely reducing but not eliminating losses of 5gen fighters in that potential war compared to losses of earlier classes, which is why Russian efforts are focused on asymmetrical forms of war instead because they can't afford new fighters to update their own fleets - but they're not so vital or amazing that their being compromised means the war is over, chess-style, before it is begun.

>>50948453
>any enhancements make you a Nazi
Are you serious right now? How do they even make you authoritarian, much less a fucking Nazi?

>>50948627
Because this is star trek and Kahn and his ilk ruined everyone's fun a couple hundred years ago so no kickass bionics, gene modding or similar are allowed.

>>50948606
>criminally inconsistent writing
You're new to Trek, aren't you?

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>>50946881
>>50947791
>>50948114
>>50948627
Anon, why the SHIT are you being so triggered when people say Trek would look down on body mods that remind people of the fucking Borg? Did you literally just come into this thread to find a reason to sperg out, or are you genuinely autistic enough to be this blind to context?

>>50948740
I'm not confused about why the Federation and so on would look down on that shit. I'm confused about why at least one anon in this thread seems to think that shit is OBJECTIVELY evil.

Speaking of the Borg, aren't there some free Borg in STO or something?

>>50948740
He's probably got full-body tattoos and stuff and can't live with the guilt and shame, so takes it out on others, just like roasties and other degenerates.

>>50948875

>free borg in STO

There are. There's Three of Eight on Nimbus III, there's the Borg Cooperative, there's Gaius who serves on the Romulan flagship, and a bunch of others.

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>>50948875
After Voyager fucked their shit right up the Collective started to break apart with huge numbers of drones getting their minds back.

Subsequently there were s shit load of Liberated Borg spread pretty evenly across the galaxy. One of them owned the infamous Worst Trek Film bar on the shit hole planet Nimbus with another acting as a bouncer.

>>50948875
>seems to think that shit is OBJECTIVELY evil
[citation needed]
All they said was that body modification and assimilation are the more evil parts of Borg technology (as in, sticking your dick in the prosthetic plasma gun instead of sticking it onto your ship). You then proceeded to throw a shitfit because what even is context.

>free borg in STO
You seriously think the UFP, a society which banhammer'd genetic modification because ONE of its members keeps crying "m-muh 300 year old bogeyman", will suddenly become accepting and open towards former drones because you started waving a #NotAllBorg placard around?

Just finished rewatching "Looking for Par'mach in All the Wrong Places" and it turns out that I had entirely forgotten that O'Brien and Kira nearly end up in a secluded, romantic getaway for a week, what's more that they're actually not all that opposed to the whole Idea. How did I ever forget about that? It never comes up again but I feel like that's got to be a huge sore spot between them.

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>>50949359
I was disappointed that never went anywhere. My personal backstory is that Keiko's suspiciously long lived Japanese mother (she gave birth to Keiko in her 60s if she turned 100 during DS9) had the maiden name Saotome and thoroughly enjoyed that whole plotline.
>MY SON IN LAW IS SO MANLY
>[celebratory fan dance]

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>>50949359
They do have chemistry and both have been traumatized by and have similar hateboners for Cardassians. They're also both similarly bound to inhuman creatures: The evil spirit known as Keiko and Odo.

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>>50949359
>>50949484
>>50949502
Miles is the man every woman really wants. In Kira's case, he's by far the most interesting man she's ever gotten that far with.

>>50949579
>>50949502
The best bit is that she genuinely was possessed by an evil hate ghost.

Nobody noticed.

The only difference Miles noticed was that when she returned she was more affectionate and forgiving. He had to be told directly by her and given a practical demonstration.

Introducing them was the only malevolent thing Data ever did.

>>50949599
I can see Miles getting shitfaced and shouting "WHEN THE WALLS FELL" every time Shakaar's name comes up until Kira looks up the mission report herself. She'd never be able to look Shakaar in the eyes again without laughing.

>>50949656
It's those worstgirl-anime-lead genes coming out. That stereotype exists for a reason.

>>50949656
I like to think of it as Data's first attempt at a joke.

>>50949725
I like to think it was Lore impersonating Data because I don't want to think that Data would inflict something so horrible upon a friend 4 teh lulz.

Why do people dislike Bajorans? I quite like them as a race. They still have a national identity, bound by 60 years of intense hardship. They still have their faith, something rare enough in Star Trek to be remarkable. The falls andfoibles of their Military and political strata are clearly influenced by real world examples that give their exploration meaning. To me, they're no less interesting than the Cardassians. If anything, the 2 races work much better together. But, so often, I hear people belittle them as irrelevant or contrary to the Federation. Isn't their contrariness a good thing? A way for them to come into cconflict with the de facto good guys?

Thoughts, lads?

>>50950510
It might be that the Bajorans seen to have a sense that they are more important than everyone else when their culture is shit, or was shit. The Cardassians did a good job freeing them of their stupid backwards caste system that held them down for at least 20,000 years.

>>50950510
I don't dislike them, but they're pretty much a placid, doe eyed people who don't act unless the Prophets tell them to. They become proactive ONLY when Sisko shows up, and even then they're fighting the upheavals the Emissary is pushing them towards with all their heart.

>>50950510
A combination of typically overdone star trek preachy combined with one too many episodes where bajoran characters had their misdeeds conveniently overlooked or even ignored entirely. Many examples of this involve episodes where their commitment to "the old ways" would occasionally boarder on luddism while still having about a three out of five chance of the episode treating them as being entirely within the right. Their hardly the sole examples of this sort of thing of course, but given how persistent and central they were to the show its pretty hard to ignore.

>>50950510
Part of it has to do with some of the way later seasons of DS9 were written. The Bajorans were put into an arbitrarily hostile role towards the Federation to stir up drama, but it didn't really serve any purpose otherwise. The writers were really trying to push the "Federation is actually evil, it just looks nice so nobody notices" angle, which is so directly contrary to everything else in ST that it didn't really come across properly. The Federation were still the good guys, and the Bajorans were just being shitheads.

That said, I wish the interplay between Cardassian and Bajoran culture had been explored further. Nobody even really mentioned the fact that their cultures have deep underlying similarities once you get past the superficial stuff.

>>50950686
>The writers were really trying to push the "Federation is actually evil, it just looks nice so nobody notices" angle, which is so directly contrary to everything else in ST that it didn't really come across properly.
Yeah I hated that personally. If anything, it should have just been the Federation's governmental apparatus being utterly feckless and incapable of governing properly, rather than the Federation as a whole. Sure living on the Core Worlds would insulate from a lot of the theoretical growing pains of a civilization, but for chrissakes, the Federation has replicators on a scale that's light years (heh) beyond post scarcity. How bad could the rest of the state be, excluding newly joined planets?

>>50950510
The slavish devotion to a bunch of wormhole aliens probably rubs people the wrong way. There's beings like Q and the Douwd running around but they've chosen to build an entire society/religion around obfuscating aliens that can be killed by deflector dish bullshit.

>>50950783
My impression was that the federations "evil" is the sort that comes about from people who have nothing but everyone's well being at heart. Take your point about replicators, the feds have plenty of examples of people misusing the things, so their solution is to restrict access to "untrustworthy" cultures /just in case/ they decide to print up guns and tanks instead of food and housing. I believe there was even a TNG episode where they mention that the antivirus they were synthesizing for a particular planet had to be tightly monitored to prevent some hostile faction from weaponizing it. That's an entirely reasonable concern, but how would that concern look if that same planet had been wiped out because their medical ship had been caught in some anomaly or another before they could avert that disaster?

Its definitely a form a social inequality, its just that class lines form around how well the feds trust you to do the right thing rather than wealth or nobility. The fact that the "haves" literally live on entirely different planets than the "have nots" is how it goes unnoticed.

>>50950510
As >>50950601, pointed out they were space sub-continent Indians which were so backwards in their beliefs. That the Carddies invading and taking them over was an improvement at the beginning over what they had. They stopped the class bias, made them work together, built schools, and get them educated. Then the Bajorians got uppity and then their planet turned into a cross of current Syria/Israel. It is kind of their own fault if they had just ditched their religion like the Cardassians did it would have been fine.

>>50950922
Considering how easily replicators can be modded and hacked into "this machine spits out 70,000 phaser rifles with FUCK EVERYBODY settings," the Federation's reaction is totally justified. Hell the Maquis making off with just two industrial replicators essentially gave them their own fleet of ships. On the other hand, I feel like it's mostly the writers' fault for making the TNG period Federation act as if they had the power of life and death over cultures that weren't part of the Federation, and just to apply the exact letter of the Prime Directive at every instance. Meanwhile, Kirk's era had it applied sensibly, and even the TNG bible was much the same.

>>50950510
The better question is why are other Star Trek cultures immune to the same criticism that the Bajorans get? After all, Bajor has problems, mostly stemming from the poor exploration of their faith and spirituality. But nearly every other race in trek views themselves through rose-tinted glasses.

The Federation preaches respect for other cultures while imposing their morality on every culture they encounter. Not to mention the prime-directive permitting genocide by passivity.
The Klingons preach honour and bravery when they seem much more at home using Romulan-worthy ambush tactics and rewriting history to fit their narrative.
The Cardassians preach selfless duty to the state when their entire hierarchy is a constant power-grabbing, self serving ladder. Garak, most people's favorite Cardassian, freely acknowledges that their society is fucked on numerous occasions, given the opportunity to be an outsider looking in.
The Romulans are a cookie-cutter failed dictatorship, constantly scheming at things it can't possibly hope to achieve. (Seriously? you thought sending 6000 soldiers to Vulcan would somehow oust the entirety of the Federation from the Surface?)

pretty much the only "exactly what it says on the tin" society in Trek is the Dominion. They conquer you and so long as you keep in line they don't murder you.

>>50950510

I don't dislike them. The problem is that Trek either uses them to be preachy, or it shows us the bad ones to the exclusion of the good ones who never bother anybody, and get on with their lives worshiping the prophets in peace.

DS9 has this weird thing where we get shown a lot of sympathetic Cardassians and are told effectively, "not all Cardassians are warmongering murderers" and on the other hand, we're shown Bajoran zealots, terrorists, criminals, and war criminals.

>>50951011
The Cardassians didn't really ditch their religion, though. They just started worshiping the dual tenets of law and treachery. They have as much religious fanaticism as the Bajorans, if not more so. Every time a Cardassian is shown how the occupation actually functioned rather than just reading about how they were going to enlighten those crinkly-nosed barbarians, they have a very legitimate crisis of faith.

>>50950922
>The fact that the "haves" literally live on entirely different planets than the "have nots" is how it goes unnoticed.
That reminds me Tasha home planet, human colony that fell into barbarism. How the fuck does that shit fly in the UFP? I assume it's a Fed planet how did nobody go there and reestablish order when shit hit the fan? IT'S THE UFP JOB TO MAINTAIN ORDER OVER THEIR OWN CRAP! That was so stupid as a thing they used as Tasha's background. It would have been better if she had been sold into slavery by Klingon pirates and liberated later after a few years.

>>50951175

I really don't think Tasha's background can be defended.

So I won't try.

This all comes from people not thinking things through.

>>50951108
>tl;dr there can be good people, there are no good organizations.
Hell, even look at the Vulcans they seem good logical people on the surfaces. But as ENT showed they were just as corrupt, bias, and racist as anyone else when you got to political matters.

>>50951175
"Turkana IV was the inhabited fourth planet of the Turkana system and the site of a failed Earth colony. Turkana City was one of the settlements on this planet.

The planet's government began breaking down in the 2330s. Dozens of factions developed, and civil war broke out. The Turkana government gave police powers to the two largest factions, the Coalition and the Alliance, but it was quickly overthrown by those cadres, and the planet broke away from the Federation in the 2350s, the two factions declaring the planet's independence."

That is why it was a shithole.

>>50951108
Oh absolutely. But they've been around longer and have been all talked about to no end.

Here's something to consider. Who is in control of the Federation? Humans make up the face, but the rules all seem oddly Vulcan. Distant, cold, "logical". This is especially odd since the founding races are "fight me, faggot" Andorians and "fuck you shitlord!" Tellarites. Where'd all the passion go that was still there in Kirk's era?

>>50951277
From what I've gathered in later episodes, you can not be human and not part of the Federation. Even lost pre-fed colonies came under Federation jurisdiction meaning Picard couldn't just ignore them/hide behind the Prime Directive when inconvenient shit needed to be done. Example: Cartoon Irish/Clone colony and later the Masterpiece society

There is literally no excuse for not rushing out to Turkana and getting shit fixed.

>>50951175
>>50951274
>>50951278
The UFP is very much like the EU (and, to a lesser extent, the UN). It works, sort of, to help all of it's citizens, sort of, and to imply a unifying culture over all of them, sort of, whilst condemning corruption and evil, sort of, and striving to make the right decisions, sort of.

The UFP is so drowned in asterisks and technicalities that trying to figure out what they're really about is nigh on impossible.

Now I'm well aware that the Federation was originally created to be space-america, but beyond some perfunctory cold war circle-jerking about the intrinsic values of freedom and routine references to americana, there's not all that much to link UFP.

>>50951469
>"sort of"
I laughed, and then I didn't because it's entirely true of all three of them.

>>50951277
If that was happening with the clear breakdown of legitimate government power. Shouldn't the UFP stepped in at that point to reunify the planet. Since it wasn't a united planet anymore, it declaring independence from the UFP should have been invalid from the Fed's point of view. Or that's what I have been lead to believe watching episodes where planets want to join the UFP and that's one of the required things to join most of the time a single united government.

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>there will never be a Starfleet Academy TV show that's a combination between a regular Star Trek TV show and a cheesy high school drama

>>50951469
The UFP is too big for its own good. I'm willing to bet there would be at least one instance where there were two elected Federation presidents that weren't even aware of each other because of distance and travel times.

>>50951436
Yeah you've gathered wrong. You can be human and not part of the UFP, because federation membership is entirely voluntary. Sometimes they still help out with human colonies but usually because they've been asked or dragged in to help because of the circumstances.
Up The Long Ladder is a classic example of reacting to a distress call and then attempting to deal with the results. Though that episode has a host of problems too numerous to list here. The Masterpiece society they were forced by events to make contact and attempt to deal with the problems at hand, including those they created by making contact.

>>50951567
And the Maquis that withdrew from the Federation but the Federation refused to let them and held them under their own law?

>>50951550
They've had FTL comms the entire time, so probably not. Plus for some reason they all govern from Paris.

>>50951550
Actually there's an episode where a clearly non-human president is shown running the federation from earth, although that still leaves a chance to a hilariously botched inauguration.

>>50951546
What era, though? TOS naive optimism, TNG naive pragmatism, or Post-TNG movie traumatised ohgodwhat

>>50951621
>Post-TNG movie traumatised ohgodwhat
This would connect most with the current world, I would think.

>>50951592
>And the Maquis that withdrew from the Federation but the Federation refused to let them and held them under their own law?
That was for pure political reasons and everyone knew it. IT WAS TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT! Since all the parties involved knew that the instant the Maquis went rogue/independence, they would start killing Cardassians and be a thorn in their side from the get go. That would have made any peace between the Spoonheads and the Feds very strained. So they did a smaller evil to stop a bigger evil from the Fed's pov.

>>50948606
>let a bunch of terrorists abduct the ruling council of a planet for shits and giggles
If you're referring to "The Hunted" the ruling class had it coming.

>>50948884
>roasties and other degenerates
All women are degenerates now?

>>50951278
The rules are Vulcan.
On watch ENT everything federation is based in Vulcan protocol.

>>50951660
That would kind of hilarious if there were cadets sweating over where they get assigned. And them all hoping to not go to a long term deep space run, border patrol, or worst yet do to well on their tests and get picked for the death ship 'ENTERPRISE-whatever' since it seems to kill ensigns faster than unprotected anal sex with a Bolian.

>>50951812
You know what's worse being assigned to an Enterprise?
Being assigned to a ship that's just in the general vicinity of an Enterprise - or, god forbid, one that's supposed to be assisting the-

>All hands lost

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>>50950510

>>50951812
>The Romulans are on the war path again, a radical sect of the Borg which wants to carry on the Borg Queen's mission has infiltrated the Academy, and Prom's tomorrow!

>>50950686
>The writers were really trying to push the "Federation is actually evil, it just looks nice so nobody notices" angle, which is so directly contrary to everything else in ST that it didn't really come across properly.
They're not quite right, but I do believe that the UFP is basically a military dictatorship with completely a completely different economical, social, etc. context the than kind we're used to.

>>50951812
>Be a Cadet
>Be awesome in all fields
>Get assigned to Red Squad
>A glorious history of Treason, Sabotage, Drug Addiction and All Hands Lost
>have to decide which Captain I'm going to murder as my initiation
I just wanted to serve Starfleet, now I'm a conspirator and being vetted for S31

>>50951862
I can see it now.

>protags, sitting around in a student lounge talking about how first year is so tough
>a inch of fourth years, maybe their guides from the start of semester, come in and sit down
>they've just gotten their first assignment
>the first few of them are delighted, they're landing gigs like DS9, deep space missions and high end research
>one girl goes really quiet
>eventually starts quietly sobbing
>her friends try to find out what's wrong
>she runs from the room
>someone picks up her PADD
>she's just been assigned to a patrol mission aboard Karomazov
>a Miranda class
>she'll be dead before the first years do their end of term exams.

>>50951895
I kek'd

>>50951108
>The Klingons preach honour and bravery when they seem much more at home using Romulan-worthy ambush tactics and rewriting history to fit their narrative.
They preach real honor, not the bullshit forced on the English upper class by the king and the bureaucrats to keep them it line. If you win, that's honorable, and that's all there is to it.

>>50951108
>most people's favorite Cardassian
That's the horny one in the that prophecy episode but yeah.

>>50951469
The UFP was founded as a mutual defense organization, that's why I've really got no problem with Section 31.

>>50951966
That's equal parts hilarious and saddening, desu

>>50951436
Long-lost Earth colonies are assumed (I guess) to belong to Earth, until further notice, and thus the Prime Directive doesn't apply in any shape or form. But if a colony specifically leaves the Federation, it's treated just like any other independent planet. And planets, even colonies, can do pretty much whatever they want, as long as they stay within the Federation Charter. Earth seems to be the only possible exception.

>>50952068

The issue with section 31 is the whole 'We have no official funding or any oversight' issue more than 'There is a group that does sneaky stuff for the federation'.

I'd love to see Starfleet Intelligence actually get a damn showing. They exist but section 31 gets all the spy story stuff as most of them are about rogue agents, something 31 is rather good at.

>>50951983
It's nothing more that "it's okay when we do it" hypocrisy.

>Klingons launch surprise attack on a colony World ("Nor the Battle to the Strong")
"An honourable battle! I can't wait till we reach the field hospital!"

>Romulans launch a surprise attack on a klingon colony world (Khitomer-numerous episodes)
"Khitomer was not a legitimate target! It had a civilian population. The Romulans are without honour."

By your logic, the Romulans victory made Khitomer an honourable fight.

>>50952156
You don't remember when Miles was a secret agent infiltrating a weapons smuggling ring?

>>50952192
In fairness, their political games and inter-house fighting basically consists of calling each other out on said hypocrisy.

>>50952156
We don't see Starfleet Intelligence actually do anything. The one time we actually follow a Starfleet Intelligence mission, they've got O'brien working for them instead of their own dedicated agent. It makes me think that there are no actual dedicated Starfleet Inteligence agents and it's like a small organization back at Starfleet HQ that sorts incoming data from ships and assigns jobs to whoever happens to be nearby that isn't busy and advises based on that alone.

S31 is far more proactive than that.

>>50952217

>S31 is far more proactive than that.

They also seem to be like 80% rogue agents.

>>50952192
>"An honourable battle! I can't wait till we reach the field hospital!"
Killing invalids in the hospital is honorable, because it's giving them an honorable death in GLORIOUS BATTLE! and thus saving them from death in bed and Grethor. You should respect their religion anon.

>>50951983
That's how the Jem'Hadar work. Obedience brings victory. Victory is life.

By comparison the Klingons are much more obsessed with being remembered as a great, honoured warrior. In their philosophy, dying in an impossible battle is a solid substitute to living through a fair fight. But generally they just rewrite whatever doesn't sound honourable and heroic to sound appropriately Klingon.

Honestly, the Klingons being full of shit is one of the things that makes them so entertaining.

>>50952271
the Klingon ship episodes were some of my favorite DS9 eps.

>>50952247
I only know of Sloan and his two bouncers.

>>50952295
And one of my favorite TNG eps. Pre-beard, even.

>>50952295
Worf's interactions with other Klingons were brilliant. For the cost part he was stymied by the difference between his literal translation of the Klingon code of honour and the actual implementation of it by people like Km'pec and Gowron. For Worf, being an honourable Klingon meant living by a strict code of duty and personal integrity. For the likes of Gowron, honour is pretty much just a buzzword to be brought up whenever necessary, for political expediency.

That's why I think Worf likes Martok so much. Martok is a much more down to earth Klingon. He's quite honest and much more in line with Worf's image of a Klingon.

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>>50952379
Post-beard. Never pre.

>>50952437
Whoa, I'm mistaken.
It's also the only episode I ever saw actual fighting choreography in.

>>50952315

That's a very sizeable majority of all section 31 personal shown. Beyond that there is a guy who was never OFFICIALLY stated to be section 31 in Enterprise and a Tal Shiar guy who was secretly 31.

Oh that and it being the main plot to Into Darkness.

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>>50952400
Martok really was a great character, he interacted especially well with Sisko and Ross who were just as much into the war as he was.

>>50952471
Could you imagine Picard and Martok? Martok would be frustrated and bored out of his mind.

>>50952469
Wait, Sloan is the rogue you're talking about?

>>50952498

Yeah. Considering his actions were 'Hey, lets make a biological weapon and spread it everywhere'. That goes beyond spy work into 'Genocidal terrorist'

Well, that and the fact that the writers themselves for DS9 referred to section 31 as a 'Rogue element' in interviews.

>>50952217

We've seen agents for them once or twice (Generally in disguise, we've never seen the uniform for them) so they do have some.

They just don't get much of a showing. Which is a pity, I'd like to see them. Especially an episode or two comparing them and S31.

>>50949656
Is this a meme?

>>50952564
>the writers themselves for DS9 referred to section 31 as a 'Rogue element' in interviews.
They thought that Brigadoon in space would be a good idea for an episode, I don't think they know exactly what "rogue element" means in this context.

>>50952489
I don't think so. Picard is one of the most well respected people in the Empire, and he's well versed on Klingon Culture. If anything, Picard would probably get annoyed at being treated like he's nobility.

>>50952632

Well, section 31 kinda ARE a rogue element.

If a group is supposed to work for you but you have zero ability to control it, that's a rogue element (Even if it's helping)

>>50952661
did you mean: the Tal Shiar

>>50952606
Nope, an actual episode. "The Assignment" in season 5 of DS9.

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Does anyone play the Trek CCG ?

I play 2nd Edition.

http://www.trekcc.org/ has tournament information.

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How wet is this sexy irishman making her right now?

>>50955182
They're kind of reptiles aren't they? Wouldn't her whatever hole be cold and slimy? That doesn't sound fun.

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>>50955339
Well, I'm guessing lf they are cold blooded (no pun intended). That could be fixed by lying on a hot slab for an hour or so. A hot shower/bath could probably do the same thing, too.
>TFW Carddie females are small time anyway, if you want a real challenge Gorn ladies is where it's at.

>>50955339
>They're kind of reptiles aren't they?
They can interbreed with Bajorans with no trouble, who can interbreed with humans with no trouble, so I'd guess they're less reptile and more mammal with vestigial reptilian traits.
And by trouble I mean the shit that Vulcan/Human and Trill/Klingon pairs have to go through.

>>50955182
He disrespect her so good.

You know, for a man famed for being shat on by the universe, he gets a decent amount of pussy thrown his way.

>>50955738
>Trill/Klingon pairs
Why were Jadzia and Worf ever together?
I just don't feel like they matched at all.

>>50956387
You ever met someone who's so obsessed with a culture that they try and get a boyfriend/girlfriend from that culture? That's Dax. She thinks she's an expert on Klingons and banging one is her way of proving that.

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>>50955761
oh my fucking GOD anon

>>50956504
What was it?

>>50956518
A spoilered picture of a baby born without a skin.
So just your average nightmare fuel.

>>50956557
Fucking hell.

>>50950887
This has to do with the fact that the Bajorans were essentially chosen and taken a liking to by the Prophets more than any other god-like species in Star Trek.

>>50956557
So, harlequin fetus?

>>50956768
I thought that was where they had skin that was too thick, green and scaly looking.

>>50956418
The only problem with this is that Worf is not from any real Klingon culture.

He was raised by humans and grew up with a romanticized view of Klingons based on ideal that the Klingons themselves hadn't taken seriously for centuries.

It's like if someone got knighted today then started carrying a sword around, wearing chain-mail and then either started fighting injustice or went to the Middle-East to liberate Damascus from the heretics. Deus Vult.

Yes it might be badass but it is also insane by today's ideas of normal.

That was Worf.

>>50956867
Well that makes him more of a Klingonfu for Jadzia.
He is following the ideal that she is after.

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>>50952489
>>50952634
Picard would have made an excellent Klingon. Especially an excellent head of a noble house.

Highly educated and fond of the classics, good at commanding, generally liked by those he commands, totally fucking fearless, surprisingly resilient and strong even into old age, calm under pressure, cunning and thinks that laughter is the correct response to getting stabbed all the way through the chest.

>>50956953
The only problem with the idea of Picard making an excellent Klingon is the Warrior aspects of being a Klingon which involves him having to enter combat, something Picard not only has very little experience in, but something Picard has been known to loathe.

>>50956867
Worf and Jadzia are like that guy and girl that are a little too much into Larp and bond over it then become a couple because of it.
It is kind of a shallow bond really and if Jazdia had lived, I think they would have divorced after a while.

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>>50952271
>>50956387
>>50956867
>>50956946
>>/rest of the thread/
Friendly reminder that the klingons, "m-muh glory", "muh honour", "muh glorious race that rivals the Federation", had what was basically pic related as a famous myth

>>50957581
Yeah, but at least Klingon Jesus told him "you're a fucking idiot" and found shelter himself

>>50958372
>Khaless tells Gowron not to fight the wind
>years later
>Gowron dies in an episode called "Tacking into the Wind"
>Khaless knew

>>50959364
Well, that's because care was taken to have stuff connect from TNG to DS9. Well, the writers for ENT and VOY were more into 'WE NEED STORY NOW NEED TO SHOO NOW' and 'NO YOUR WAIFU SUCKS MY WAIFU IS BETTER EAT SHIT AND DIE'. Of course I'm being gibe but writing for the two later shows as all the hearsay seems to point to was a fucking nightmare. And it seems ST:D isn't going to be any different which is sad.

>>50956557
>>50956768
>>50956825
It was harelequin. It had skin, just in patchy scales. Also red eyes.

>>50957018
He only hesitates because he feels it's his duty as a Starfleet captain to use *all* peaceful options up before getting into conflict. It's not that he is morally against fighting, but he thinks it's ethically wrong to begin hostilities too early. As we see on numerous occasions, he's perfectly ready and willing to fight if he thinks it's the right thing to do.

Wouldn't a new Star Trek show set after TNG/VOY/DS9 just forge its own path, rendering STO non-canon?

>>50960190
Depends on how far ahead it's set and if they incorporate STO story elements into it. I figure if they're just meddling about just after Nemesis, then they can probably do a fair amount without contradicting the main story of STO (don't know about all the path to 2409 stuff though).

>>50960470
I think disregarding STO would be the best way to go about things.

>>50960494
Same here, but I've learned to expect the worst

>>50960494
>>50960511
But don't you want to see your Epohh Friends™ on the big screen!?!

>>50960553
No.

>>50960613
/thread

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>>50960190

I would be fine with this. STO can be its own alternate universe. A post-VOY series wouldn't automatically invalidate STO.

STO, as much as I enjoy playing it, has some severe levels of derp going on with its lore.

>>50960663
I was just thinking all this super powerlevel stuff wouldn't make for a great TV show.

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>>50960681

It wouldn't, nor would it be very fun having to explain that ESD was attacked twice and heavily damaged in the same year by different enemies the UFP was at war with.

>>50959364
Sonofabitch! I never connected those two.

>>50956953
>thinks that laughter is the correct response to getting stabbed all the way through the chest.
There's a novel where it turns out that the dudes who create universes are about to delete ours unless we can give them good reason not to, so the Q scour the universe looking for someone who can give a response which will keep the gods from destroying ours. He brings Picard to parlay, and Picard laughs on learning the situation. They let us live from that.

>>50960741
>ESD
?

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>>50963257
Earth Space Dock.
The giant mushroom station from which Kirk and company nicked the enterprise in ST:3.
Now is the main hub area for feddie players.
Used to look different (until it was remade into looking like the current mushroom), then its internals got changed into this sorta half mall half airport looking thing.

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>>50963232
>Q getting Q'd
>mfw

>>50963442
Hell, Q picked Picard specifically because he was easily trolled about stuff like that.

>>50963442
>>50963492
You're both wrong.
Q chose a man of learning and class who had a well-developed sense of the ironic and trolled the shit out of him specifically to get this kind of reaction and save the universe.
That he likes being a dick is just gravy.

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>>50963232
>>50963442
I know that the novels aren't really canon to the shows and are just an EU alt thing. But how high does the power scale go in the canon Trek setting which includes TV and movies. So are the Q like the most powerful beings we have seen in Trek so far? Like if something from the TOS era wanted to fuck with the Q like Charlie X for instance. Charlie X would get curb stomped by Q right?

>>50964368
All Good Things was a good showcase of Q's power. I believe he'd stomp anyone or anything else, except the rest of the continuum working against him, or Janeway.

>>50964368
There's species beyond the Q, but for the most part they don't give a fuck about humanity and the rest of the normal races. The bigger trick is time travelers, because there are strict time periods where they can't act to ensure *everybody* lives, and outside of those, apparently it's open warfare/catspaws stuff.

>>50964398
He can probably be stopped by the gestalt psychic field of Starfleet engineers.

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>>50964401
>The bigger trick is time travelers, because there are strict time periods where they can't act to ensure *everybody* lives, and outside of those, apparently it's open warfare/catspaws stuff.
Speaking of which, I'm betting the time police and the rest of those time fuckers would have been shitting bricks while all the crap in what >>50964398 is referring to is happening. I'm betting any anti-time event is brown pants time for anybody who deals with time.

>>50964528
Kind of? The Department of Temporal Investigation series makes it clear that time periods have differing methods of TimeCopness. The Federation of Sisko's time basically has Cosgrove on retainer (Lucsly and Dulmur from Trials and Tribbulations), so shockingly little time traveling happens there, to say nothing of the lack of the tech, while the D-Day Braxton time period was full of "we'll change history for the better!", with other time periods falling in between. Plus no one wants to get involved in higher dimensional powers fucking around, so they avoid the Q if at all possible.

Every time you get even a bit of time travel in the 2370s, you have to be debrief, and you can and *will* be punished for accidentally fucking around with the timeline, up to and including lifetime imprisonment for a major change.

>>50964528
Is there a separate time police for every alternate universe?

>>50964630
Yes. The Mirror one is described as attempting to invade the future. It goes exactly as well as you'd expect.

>>50964648
Wouldn't people from the future know that they were coming?

>>50964659
No, because they'd only have invaded after they already invaded.

>>50964659
HEY FUCK YOU, IT WOULD HAVE WORKED IF NOT FOR OUR SHITTY ALIEN SLAVES. But seriously, no, it's like >>50964663 said. Time travel in Star Trek happens concurrently, so the past is changing as the future does and vice versa.

>>50964624
>fucking around with the timeline, up to and including lifetime imprisonment for a major change.
Well, shouldn't they have locked Picard up for the rest of eternity for that shit that happened in 'All Good Things'? I mean it was Q dicking with him yes but that kind of messing with time must carry huge punishments for those involved. Or Q I'm guessing could have cleared up the mess after he had finished testing Picard. But that kind of time wankery should have put Picard on somebody's shit list.

>>50964764
Picard's solution erased all consequences. It's as if it never happened, only he and Q know that he's the Hero of Time.

>>50964764
No one has earned the hate of the DTI as much as Kirk. Picard only got in trouble for, IIRC, the events of Generations and First Contact, and the latter only because he stayed long enough to see the actual First Contact. The events of "All Good Things..." functionally never happened. Meanwhile, KIRK could time travel at will because of the time travel calculations Spock had, and how much time he spent fucking around with the 60s. Kirk has 14 separate serious temporal violations to his name.

>>50964787
>Hero of Time
>nobody knows he did it
>has a primitive wind instrument
>the last we see of him in Nemesis is beginning his search for an old Friend
Is he Link from LoZ?

>>50964787
>only he and Q know that he's the Hero of Time.
Well that, and all the people Picard talked to about it. Telling them how shit their future selves were so they wouldn't turn out to such dicks in their future. But besides that I guess no one know. <sarcasm>

>>50964787
Didn't Q cause the whole mess in the first place?

>>50948626

They're heavily influenced but not a direct match.

>The truth is that these craft will all, in the event of all-out war, rely on weight of numbers, not technical tricks

This is Star Trek, where a Borg cube turned a random sector into a graveyard for half of Starfleet and where Janeway can change history and obliterate a Borg warfleet by cheating life. Unfortunately, Star Trek is more guilty of "God Mode" tech than Star Wars.

>>50964983
>Unfortunately, Star Trek is more guilty of "God Mode" tech than Star Wars.
I really think they fuck the dog when the writers try and do tech run amuck storyline especially if it's a Wesley heavy episode. I mean the little fuck oops himself into sapient nanotech AI. The Borg don't even have AI nanotech as far as we know. So this little thing literally turns all the Borg have the most advanced nanotech in the settling on it's head. And if they had this, why didn't they have Wesley whip up another batch, beam it on a Borg ship and then have him tell the nanites to go wreck shit?

>>50964983
Voyager doesn't count. It's not real.

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Bump with if the UFP gave exo-comps rights would they have to emancipate all of their AI level equipment?

>>50967169
The ship AIs the Federation uses are functionally shackled to prevent unexpected sentience problems. The ExoComps weren't. No one in Starfleet wants to hand a ship that has planet cracking power as a small time option over to a rampant AI.

>>50967185
So they would never allow Data his own command because they just don't like his type round these here parts.

>>50967561
Data is afforded all the rights of a sentient being, so he would be able to get his own command. He never did because Data had a singular lack of ambition. He was a commander for almost two decades, and definitely screwed up the promotion prospects of the Operations division on the Enterprise.

>>50967581
So if the A.I. looks human it gets all the rights of a person (until they decide to dissect you out of curiosity).

But if the A.I. is inhabiting a body that doesn't look like a human they, what, only count as three-fifths of a person?

>>50967901
No, they still get the rights of a person.
That's why the ship AI is shackled so as not to develop sapience, they'd have to give it control over its body, so to prevent losing a ship to sovereignty they limit the AI to non-consciousness.

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i'm on season 3 of voyager and i'm wondering when janeway becomes the bloodthirsty tyrant she's been made out to be

>>50967917
>implying they would care about its rights and not just give it a lobotomy.

Data was an officer. That means he went through the academy. So unless toys and pets are now allowed to earn rank and title that means Starfleet considered Data a sapient.

Then they revoked his person status when it became convenient.

Either that or Starfleet let him join as some sort of slave right from the start.

>>50968005
>implying spot couldn't make ensign

>>50968031
They let Wesley so I suppose it can't be that hard.

>>50968005
>Either that or Starfleet let him join as some sort of slave right from the start.
This, actually. Data didn't have a real status, so the academy let him in under the Air Bud clause and no one wanted to mess with him until Measure of a Man.

>>50968228
That's pretty fucked up all by itself.

>>50948884
>roasties
I really wish I hadn't Googled that

>>50970321
>roasties
All I'm getting is pictures of roast potatoes. I am confuse.

>>50970758
Sorry, this is a blue board.

>>50970866
Could we get some sorta broad idea?

>>50970963
You should lurk at least two years before posting.

>>50970963
Do you know what roast beef is?

>>50970985
Yes.
Don't tell me, roasties do shit that involves roasting your own skin off.

>>50971005
No, imagine a vagina that looks like roast beef.

>>50971005
>>50970963
>>50970758
A vagina that, while otherwise fit for purpose, bears striking resemblance to 2 slices of roast beef. Also know as beef curtains.

>>50964808
>>50964829
In the post-cancellation issues of DC Comics' TNG ongoing, the crew often mentioned how they ended up in that timeline, with the implication that Riker and Worf were kinda pissed off with each other over how things turned out with Troi
>>50970758
Urban Dictionary has some... "interesting" definitions.

>>50967994
Soon.

>>50968228
>>50968005
It makes me think Starfleet is desperate for a slave population. Maybe it's a side effect of having a no money economy that finding people to do shitwork is near impossible.

Even Picard didn't know what to do until Guinen reminded him to do a Picard Speech to save the day.

Then the exact same thing happened again. The second Starfleet found out that Data made a daughter, a Starfleet Admiral manifested on the bridge with orders to take her away and forced the issue so hard that she had a literal mental breakdown.

Then again with the exo-comps.

Finally they got their slave race with the EMH Mk1's. I guess Data or Picard weren't around to argue for their rights.

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>>50971190
>Finally they got their slave race with the EMH Mk1's. I guess Data or Picard weren't around to argue for their rights.
Well, if they did that then they would have to feast up to literally having oops a sapience Hologram a while back and have been keeping it prisoner ever since. And they still have him imprisoned now, even if it is a very big cage it's still a cage.

>>50949656

Keiko O'brien
>Miles and the kids are terrified of her temper
>She only cares about plants
>Keeps trying to feed her husband animal food
>Thinks handling real food is gross and disgusting
>Doesn't respect his wishes
>Is jealous of the time Miles spends with his friends
>Keeps leaving her family (including a baby) to fuck around on Bajor, for months at a time
>Probably has a ridge nose fuckboy down there
>She only complains

Kosst'Moran AKA Possessed Keiko
>Is completely understanding about the dead plants
>Throws Miles a surprise birthday party complete with real hand cooked food
>Takes care of the children, they love her, she loves playing with them
>Accepts Miles's friends and the time he spends with them
>Upbeat personality
>Thinks up a safe way of shutting down the wormhole and keeping the Dominion out of the Alpha Quadrant
>Cares about the marriage.

>>50972067
>Data having to admit that he accidentally made a sapient life because he just wanted a challenging Holmes mystery

If it's that easy to make new sapient life without even meaning to I seriously wonder what's wrong with this universe.

>>50972107
>TFW the solution to having a Asian Ghost wife is to have her be possessed by another ghost.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>50972182
>If it's that easy to make new sapient life without even meaning to
Teenagers do it all the time.

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>>50972625
You know what I meant you cheeky little git.

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>>50972182
To be fair, at this point ST-u Earth had nuked itself to hell and back. Admittedly it'd work out for them eventually, but not for a couple more years yet (unless they retconned that, I don't pay much attention to "canon" nowadays...). So while we may not be as "advanced" as data is, a couple of hundred years from now, I think IRL-u Earth is doing better than ST-u Earth right now.

>But that's like, my opinion man.

>>50960741
>>50963318

The attacks were fine, making them both in the same year were the stupid part. They should have counted every year since the game's release as another year in the STO Canon, rather then cram it all into the same one.

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>>50973012
I don't think WWIII had started by 2017 in Trek, given that San Francisco and the US were still intact in the 2024 Bell Riots.
>mfw we're actually having a discussion about sanctuary cities including San Fran a mere seven years off from what DS9 predicted

>>50973360
Yeah, or done like some folks did in their head cannons and set each story arc a year a part.

>>50965584
Yes, the only canon series that remains now is Enterprise.

>>50967561
He's fully functional, but he's basically a sexbot.

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>>50973371
>TFW 'Judgement Day' is unavoidable, thanks Trump.

>>50974420
>implying

But we haven't even made Khan yet.

>>50974564
Well China started using that gene editing tool on people, I imagine a Chinese Khan isn't too terribly far away

>>50974564
Yes we have.

He's making America great again.

God help us all.

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>>50974681
>a series of battles swept the world in the 1990s
>the soldiers were artificially created and bred for maximum combat potential
>even children were getting involved
>a purely lab-grown supersoldier breaks free and tries to take over the world, but gets captured and sealed away
I'm pretty sure that was Pokémon.

>>50952247
Everyone revealed is disavowed. that doesn't mean they were all working entirely off their own backs.

Hell, seems fitting that S31 would burn agents doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing as another layer of insurance.

>>50974726
That fits disturbingly well

>>50974976
Now think about the implications of an American named "Lieutenant Surge" running a gym in Kanto and the near complete absence of fighting-age men in the games.

>>50974778
>Hell, seems fitting that S31 would burn agents doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing as another layer of insurance.
They burn themselves. The only reason anyone that doesn't have a star in their rank knows about them is if S31 tries to recruit them. They done goofed with Bashir, and now six more people (and the entire Great Link) know about them.

>>50975374
Don't forget that the Prophets and through them the entire Bajoran ecclesiarchy could know thanks to Sisko.

>>50972107
>>Is jealous of the time Miles spends with his friends
I never got this impression.

>>50974712
>letting russia have east europe and the ME and china have SEA and africa makes america great again

>>50975012
You add to this the prevalence of clones in Pokemon world, all the identical """cousin""" Jenny and Joys, and lack anything but small scale governments to say nothing of schools and shit.

This is a society that is just recovering from some seriously fucked up WW3. Government has collapsed, education has collapsed, there is only one police woman and medical professional left and monsters roam the wilds.

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>>50975942
Oh yeah it's a constant issue. She gets jealous of the time he spends with Bashir on DS9, and I think there was an oblique reference to a similar complaint on the Enterprise during TNG.

>>50976263
>all the identical """cousin""" Jenny and Joys
That's the show, it's not canon.

>>50976312
>TFW Miles should have still tried to sex possessed wife to see if the sex would have been better.
Probably would have been.

>>50979137
The resulting kid would have grown up to be the emissary of the Pah'wraiths, which would have been a much better plotline than Dukat.

So there is a VOY marathon on BBC America and trying to watch some of the first season is definitely cringe as fuck. With all the Janeway holier than thou shit. And having everyone else do all the hard shit of getting them home. I really hate the uneven writing for this and bullshit of all the shit getting them home faster just so happens to fuck up. I get why but after doing it for like the third time in a row almost the same way it gets kind of off putting.

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>>50973012
>>50973371
>>50974420
>>50974564
>>50974681
>>50974712
George Takei said something along these lines: We've spent so much time trying to recreate Star Trek's technology that we forgot to recreate Star Trek's message of hope.

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>>50983579
And that's for best.
After all, mirror universe was always cooler anyways.

>>50983771
They generally have better facial hair, that's for certain. And really, that's the most important thing

>>50983579
He neglected to take into account that they keep preaching the exact opposite of its message.

>>50981095
I tried coming back to VOY after not having seen it since around 2000, and stopped after 3 episodes. Still haven't gotten the will to start again.

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>>50983579
>Star Trek's technology that we forgot to recreate Star Trek's message of hope.
That's because we like toys more as a people than being nice to each other in general. And everyone kind of brought into the lie that Gene and a few sci-fi writers were pushing at the time. That better tech makes better people which isn't true, tech is just tools and it's the tool user that really has to change for the world to be truly better. And that doesn't look like that is going to happen any time soon. Humanity seems to be bastards pretty much at any tech level irl it seems. I wonder if there is a sci-fi setting that really shows off that aspect of humanity? Well, besides something like Warhammer 40K.

>>50986352
Risen Empire by Scott Westerfeld.

Also the Revelation Space series.

Also Dune.

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>>50986352
>impling WH40K isn't all about the "bastards" being humanity's last, best hope in a universe where everything /else/ is even /worse/.

>implying it won't turn out to be true, considering that all mortal, organic life has the same instincts that lead men to compete, destroy, and waste

>implying the solution isn't just to end it all

>>50986595
Not to go too off topic but how are those series? I know of Dune and that some of it can drag a bit and to stay the HELL AWAY FROM ANYTHING WRITTEN BY THE SON.
How are Risen Empire and Revelation Space as series in your opinion? Do you recommend reading one first over the other? Just looking for something to read on the bus or at home when I have some dead time.

>>50987421
My friends inform me that I have criminally shit taste so take this with a huge gai of salt.

Personally I love Risen Empire and its sequel Killing of Worlds. It's got strong characters, several interacting story lines going on at once, a good over arching narrative and an unusual setting with interesting factions.

Alistair Reynolds' Revelation Space series has good moments but the non-main characters are a little weaker and the 3rd instalment of the main trilogy kind of peaters out a bit. Also it ends on a despair downer.

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>>50950510
The Cardassians literally dindu nuffin.

>>50987421
>>50987534
>2017
>still clinging to the revelation space meme
>not accepting House of Suns and Blue Remembered Earth as objectively best Reynolds books

>>50988385
The lost a series of wars to a foe that, had they not attacked them, would have left the Cardassians entirely alone.

They lost control of a planet to a race of agrarian, religious pacifists.

They teamed up with an empire famed for betrayal.

They tried to win peace with the Klingons by showing submissiveness.

Cardassians did plenty wrong.

>>50988389
Those two books are totally different to what I was asking for in a Sci-Fi setting. Namely humanity being dicks with high tech spaceships with a bit of 'humanity fuck yeah'. Which is the total opposite of 'message of hope' referred to here >>50983579

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>voyager marathon

>>50990241
Wouldn't mind it, to be honest. If you watch it with awareness of how dreadful it is it can still be entertaining.

>>50991367
I just wish they could skip the really awful ones like the Harry, Janeway, Indian dude, Neelix, and early Maquis was insufferable.

>>50992559
>Oops got cut off.
Yeah the episodes that focused heavily on those characters were the worst ones.

>>50983579
George Takei is a huge nevertrumper faggot that wouldn't know real hope if it stuck a dick up his ass. We're simply not ready as a species for global unification without it turning into some authoritarian hellscape. Peace and mutually advantageous cooperation among strong nation states is about the best we can hope for at the moment.

>>50992776
>invoking No Real Scotsman
>implying he meant he wanted a UFP to suddenly arise and take over everything in the name of the greater good
Anon, does having anything even vaguely approaching good vibes make me a faggot?

>>50992835
>>implying he meant he wanted a UFP to suddenly arise and take over everything in the name of the greater good
His pro-globalism political views are a pretty good indication of that, yeah.

>>50992852
Yeah it'd be terrible if we all got along and stopped murdering each other en masse over petty horse shit. Bunch of faggsssss

>>50992776
>not wanting a reality TV star who filed for bankruptcy six times as leader of the free world makes you a bad person

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>>50993113
nice projecting fampai

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>it's a Welcome to Hell episode

>>50993078

>it'd be great if someone would force everyone to get along, nothing bad could ever come from despotism!

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>>50993141
>mocks somebody for greentexting
>>50993355
>uses greentext to mock somebody, using a shitty strawman
Some consistency would be nice...

Anyway, might as well make this post vaguely on-topic

>>50993476
>assuming that's me
>not noticing that >>50993355 is literally the opposite point to me
gg

>>50993280
Well, at least for Riker he knows that after looking at mom that his wife will still be hot when she gets older. Now all he has to do is survive his wife going though the phase where her sex drive goes up by 4X plus.
TFW I NEVER THOUGHT I'D DIE THIS WAY BUT I ALWAYS HOPED I WOULD!

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>>50992559
I-I think I could make it star fleet guys

>>50993788
Anon, none of us would make in in Starfleet.

>>50994004
It makes sense that you say that but remember that not only was Barclay allowed in but actually managed to get posted to the Enterprise before his turboNEET ways were considered enough of a problem that they were actually addressed.

>>50994068
Honestly I kinda forgot about him.

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>>50993078
>>50993355
>>50993538
>(YOUs)

>>50994068
Remember the episode where Wesley failed to get in?

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>>50994307
>TFW I automatically think of Trip with baby on board when I see laughing Klingons.
>Trip had a hard life......

>>50994547
fucking Enterprise

I miss getting drunk during those little blocks scifi used to run

>>50994004
They'll take basically anybody as an enlisted crew member. Officer training is tough but less focussed on physical training, due to the fact that much of Starfleet's officers aren't expected to serve on ships, let alone in combat situations. You can make it to the rank of commander on successful projects. Experimental sciences, Ship Design, Internal Security and Diplomacy are all fields that require dedicated Starfleet personnel. But we can assume that some of the general core modules of Starfleet academy don't apply to these people.

>>50994758
Well, Troi of all people has a rank equal to a Lieutenant Commander for most of TNG. So you can out rank people without actually going though a single day of the academy. I just think it's very unwise to have people that are of rank without at least some training like we see with Troi. And we see in other situations where people have power over the officers and ships if they have a reason to have the power like something politically related usually but still not a common event on ships.

>>50996302
Troi went to the academy (or a similar institution + ROTC); otherwise, she wouldn't be an officer. The only thing she was lacking for full Cdr. was command training.

So I see this thread and a whole lot of discussion not happening about the alpha for the Modiphius (literally fucking who) Star Trek RPG. Just got it in my e-mail, anyone else already seen this?

Just in case people are unawares:
http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html

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>>50997954
Fuck off with your viral marketing.

>>50997954
>2d20 system
>Is that a typo?
Why in all that's holy would you willingly play a d20 base system? To say nothing about a 2d20 base system. What ever happened to just having fun d6 based systems?

>>50996302
Troi got infinite resits of the officer final test and only got through by running out of ways to be wrong.

>>51001072
Once you realize that sometimes you have to send a man to his death the lesson tends to stick.

>>50997954
We talked about it a few threads back, people generally thought that it sounded too easy.

>>51001121
The major criticism of the American education system is the No Child left Behind bullshit policy where you can eventually luck your way through.

Troi was the idiot child who graduated school at age 29 with a barely passing grade because she literally ran out of ways to be wrong.

Had this been in the field she would have been dead and so would everyone else dozens of times over because she is not officer material, she can't make the hard decisions in the moment when they are needed and then she had a break down and a little cry after the test because test was hard.

And the only reason she was on the flagship of the UFP is because nepotism.

Is there no virginal starfleet character that is daving themselves for marraige?

>>51001791
Why does this question constantly get brought up?

>>51001914
Cause its like most starfleet charaters are godless heathens who have a cavalier sexual attitude.

>>51002058
Except Harry Kim.

And the moment Kim slept with someone Warlord Janeway bitched at him and that literally told him that it was okay for Tom to do that, but not him.

>>51002098
Harry was fucking Libby

>>51001791
>daving themselves
Dave "Space Suit" Innatubes?

>>51002058
Wasn't Gene a socialist?

There's a reason they're all godless heathens

>>51002162
He and Ensign Hipps are very much involved with each other although given that nobody bar those two have seen the inside of the sound proofed Intersection Fortress or indeed the inside of Dave's space suit it is entirely possible that they are saving themselves for marriage.

Although how exactly a marriage ceremony would work with Dave is unsure. He would have to leave the Kingdom of Innatubes and he would almost certainly have to take his helmet off. In public. In the open. Where people can see him. Where he would be vulnerable.

[worried accordion noises]

Any else not a fan how talkative Morn is? Sometines he just goes on and on.

>>51002361
He's great for exposition and worldbuilding though, he's basically another "Tears in Rain" monologue but happier. Maybe it's just a difference in our tastes.

>>51002193
I doubt he was a socialist. Unless you're talking about what Americans think socialism is. In which case yeah, he had a couple of left leaning views and was therefor a commie pinko working for the russkies to circumvent freedom or whatever.

TOS was pretty much the American Navy in space. It was only in TNG that we started to get some lefty stuff, and even then most of that has to do with the fact that Earth and the other core planets of the Federation are Utopias where Money is basically rendered arbitrary. Even so, we see that people still work to sell goods (Sisko's dad's restaurant, Picard Vinyards) and that Federation citizens actively operate private ventures for monetary gain (Cassidy Yates cargo buisness) and use various forms of currency (quark isn't letting Starfleet drink and eat at his establishment for free, after all.)

Rewatched Homefront and Paradise Lost after recebtly watching Patlabor 2. Oddly prophetic...

>>51003131
Well it's not like it wasn't riffing on already well established (historically) concepts

>>51003007
I saw a documentary about the politics behind TOS and it talked about how Gene's left-wing views threatened the show, though I guess it was really just Americans Americanning back then

>>51003704
At the time, anything even vaguely left was immediately pounced on as Communist subversion. Roddenberry was more of a "progressive" or "liberal". But then, as now, those groups are often lumped in with the left because "muh every political view except mine is evil meme" has existed since forever.

>>51001601
nice fanfic

>>51004333
Except that's what happened, faggot, regardless of your damn trips

>>51005005
Cool story bro.

>>51005233
>First trips then dubs

Let it be known that Kek himself has declared this post >>51001601
to be gay and fake.

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