EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>>50902660

Not even the most interesting spike card man

Which is OBJECTIVELY the WORST commander you can play?

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>>50902863
I have a friend who swears its picture related. Personally I would guess if we were to narrow it down it would be a vanilla creature from legends with a high cmc..

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>>50902660
>tfw just bought one for 22€

Why is this thing so expensive? does it see play in other formats too?

>>50902950
>Why is this thing so expensive?

Anything that enables fast mana that easily are always gonna be pricy.

>>50902863
Phage?

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>>50902660
I always want to run pic related for the art and I always try to see if i could cram it in my mono-green edh. Too bad my usual playgroup isn't friendly to casual decks.

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>>50902950
Cause it's a small drop artifact creature that ramps ridiculously fast in an artifact edh. This guy can drop a blightsteel colossus in the first few turns of the game. I still don't understand why this guy got unbanned. He's that good.

>>50902950
Both Vintage and Legacy

I'm designing a Zedruu deck built primarily around exchanging control of permanents. I'm sitting at 115 cards. Help me sort it out?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whose-spell-is-it-anyway/

>>50902863
Haakon. You can't actually cast it. Vanilla legends you can cast as dudes. Phage can be put into play with some trickery and is amazing to hit someone with. Haakon just doesn't do *anything*.

The Myojin are on the short list too, for being vanilla fat guys that cost a million mana. Infinite Rage comes to mind as especially bad.

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Okay bros, I need some opinions on this Emmy deck. I'm nearly finished buying it (only really the more expensive stuff to go) so I figure now is probably the best time to tune things.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/emrakul-2-tentacle-boogaloo/

Is there a non-oppressive Narset build?

>>50903148
No.

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>>50902918
Great commander against Doran.
>>50903028
I know the feel. I really wanted to build a standard deck featuring the cute Jhessian Thief, but I guess cute and powerful don't go hand in hand in MtG.
>>50903148
You could make one, but people will still hesitate to play against you, and will still play 3vs1 for a while.

Is EDH the most autistic format? Magic players in general are pretty degenerate but there's a special derp factor among commander players.

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>>50903122
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Command Beacon + 30 tutors deck is a totally viable haakon strategy.

>>50903346
>not Legacy/Vintage players who will search far and wide for certain printings of cards, including basic lands

>>50903346
Yeah

>>50903148
Ye, jeskai control?

>>50903020
Nah, Phage is fun. Getting her onto the battlefield is half the joy in the deck.

>>50903148
You have to go out of your way to do that.

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>>50903148
>Tfw you want to jerk yourself off with infinite combat steps but your group is too casual to allow the deck to be played

>got a marath precon and an atraxa precon for Christmas
>atraxa is becoming Ghave +1/+1 counter degeneracy
>not too sure what to make marath
Any suggestions? I think Ghave is going to be a token combo weenies deck where you tutor up Mazirek, then instantly win, but marath is harder. Mayel seems fun, but I know it's a pretty linear and hate worthy build, and the other option is new avacyn. Any suggestions would be nice, I have a binder full of staples and supporting jank.

>>50903701
I've been intentionally NOT doing timewalk effects, extra combat steps and so on. The only extra combat step is Aggravated Assault, because it requires mana to activate, is an easily destroyed card in my play group (everyone has white) and seems kinda "fair".

Basically, I'd be using Narset to get planeswalkers and manarocks in play, and then I have a few shuffle effects and burn spells. So I'll tutor for spy network or other cards that let me manipulate the top of my deck, enlightened tutor, tutor for elixir of immortality, attack with Narset, cast all the spells, use elixir of immortality and shuffle all that shit back in. I'm using Dovin Baan, Jace Beleren,l and Daretti scrap savant for my planeswalkers for card draw. I have Ajani Vengeant for locking down important cards and Saheeli for scries and making copies of mana rocks.

It doesn't feel degenerate. But it's definitely gay.

>>50903148
Creatures only

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>>50902660
>just got pieces for my krond deck
>was sitting there wondering what to put in.
>remember presence of Gond combo.

The first time I pull this off will be juicy

>>50903616
And how do you do that?

What the fuck is with mtgo's deck randomization, I'm so sick of drawing 17 out of my 37 lands for the whole start of the game

Im going to do blue red landshifting as a deck with a clone subtheme. Does landshifting seem degenerate?

>>50904925
random distribution is not even distribution

>>50904914
Torpor orb, sundial of the infinite, platinum angel, command beacon, ect

>>50902863
Hakkon, Stromgald Scourge.

>>50903118
Ok, I seemed to have sorted it out for myself:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whose-spell-is-it-anyway/

Thoughts? Should be fun enough for kitchen table.
Had to toss out all the coin flip cards because they don't work on Xmage.

>tfw playing Ashiling and warp world into my Caged Sun and Gauntlet and 8 mountains

With the new tuck rule, do you still play cards like Unexpectedly Absent and Chronostutter?

>>50905379
The first, yes but Chronostutter is just bad.

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>>50905428
It sucks but the art is really good

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I NEED PICTURES OF DANK MARATH TECH

how do i maximize on valakut?

>>50903802
>Naya degeneracy

Gahiji+ramp+evasive beaters

Mix some token stuff in too for early game

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>>50905639
marath is so generic that no one cares, my man
https://edhrec.com/commanders/marath-will-of-the-wild

>>50905847
gruul btw

>>50905847
by playing thespian stage and vesuva and copying it

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Is general tazri 5c allies any fun?

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>>50903028
>mfw I have a foil one
Right next to foil Emancipation Angel and Floodbringer for cardfus

Alright folks, I think I'll try to build a Haakon deck. this seems like a fun challenge.

Cockatrice, here we come!

>>50905930
Even if it isn't, I'd love to see a list.

>>50905930
Its basically bad slivers, if they had ally "lords" tazri wouldn't be too bad, most of the decks I've seen of her is maze's end.

>>50905379
>new tuck rule
What changed about it this time?

>>50905890
my sister got me a FTV Vesuva for xmas :)

>>50906144
>bad silvers
well, when you put it that way it sounds pretty fun :^)

>>50906228
I'm not debating that it could be fun, but only a handful of the allies are particularly useful, could also add in changelings and those enchantments that change creature type

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>>50905847
Vesuva, Thespian Stage, Pic Related + Scapeshift / Splendid Reclamation

In the deck that I usually kill people with Valakut, Rings of Brighthearth helps me do so.

>Valakut + Vesuva'd Valakut in play
>Crack fetch, pay 2
>get two mountains
>deal 12 damage
>sac burnished hart, pay 2 more
>deal 24 damage

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So, /EDHG/ I am trying to make a morph deck work, any suggestions?

>>50905930
some of the allies are absolutely nuts. Like the one that lets you get free thoughtsiezes

>that one guy who brings his full competition maelstrom wanderer deck to a multiplayer match

whats everybody's opinion on the new commander pre cons?

>>50906313

Don't. If you must just do a Brine Elemental, Cloudstone Curio, Ixidor lock.

But god damn I hate morph decks. They are useless. Before you call me a spike I have a bunch of useless decks. I run Ben-Ben and Ramses Overdark for fuck's sake.

A friend tried to build a morph deck and ended up making a custom general for it. One which are playgroup doesn't allow because it's stupid busted and honestly who would allow a custom card to be played in a normal game?

>>50906432
maelstrom wanderer is trash in duel commander, so that makes perfect sense.


>>50906454
I'm tired of everyone playing fucking Atraxa

>>50906313
Animar makes for a real fun commander for morph tribal

Just don't forget your Muraganda Petroglyphs

>>50906090

There's only one card that you can run that will allow you play your general.

You know this, right?

>>50906432
>that guy who tutors for the same wincon every game and gets upset when people refuse to play with him anymore
That's what you deserve for being faggot, Wornell.

>>50906471
>I'm tired of everyone playing fucking Atraxa

Wish I knew this feel, the only atraxa player in my group has not modified it at all. Yidris is more common for me

>>50906480
fortunately black has a ton of tutors.

>>50906519
>>50906471
I'm only tired of atraxa superfriends. That build bores me

I've seen versions that focus on proliferating counters on cards with unique counter types that other cards don't have. that one was fun.

Hell, even the simic plus BW builds are okay

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>>50906432
>Brought Yidris storm to edh night at lgs.
>combo'd off on turn 4 after a 15 minute turn.

>>50906562
Its what happens when a commander has an appeal to ultra casuals though. Always 1 or 2 commanders in the whatever gen precons are played constantly the minute they are released. Give it 6 months and people will stop playing it.

>>50906590
Why does your greentext in particular seem like a bigger lie than all others?

>>50906590
how do you even do that? everyone tells me about the crazy yidris shitthey do but i always sit there doing nothing with that deck

>>50906627
At least Atraxa lets me play the game

Fucking meren gravepact decks

>>50906562
Atraxa proliferating Divinity counters for the various Myojin is also annoying to go against. Thankfully, I only know one person who runs that build.

>>50906627
>acting like EDH in general isnt built for ultra casuals

EDH is basically the hearth stone of MTG formats

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>>50906547

Good luck.

>>50906638
Angelwaifu can be just as oppressive, if not more, and is typically harder to blow out than your run of the mill graveyard archetype

>>50906638

>Want to build voltron Atraxa
>Get all sort of charge counter equipment going on
>Decide to check edhrec for things I may have missed
>Everyone is building superfriends.dec

I dropped the idea then and there. Fuckin super friends is so boring

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>>50906638
>build mazirek since I love playing BG and don't want to be that guy who uses meren at all
>end up putting meren in the 99 after testing her out and see how well she performs with the deck

If I only had crucible of worlds I could dismantle it all and make gitgud

>>50906672
Never played hearth stone cause it looked dumb and I uses to play YGO well into synchro bullshit

>>50906637
T3 Yidris
T4 Connect with Yidris and from there it's pretty easy.

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>>50906714
I sometimes wish YGO had a commander equivalent.

But YGO doesn't do things like "formats," alas.

>>50903346
I'm trying to build my first commander deck, and I'm realizing the question is 'what cards do I want to play?'

>>50903403
>mfw I play legacy goblins with all the cheaper more unappealing arts except full art basics

I didn't realize people actually get distracted by the art of cards

>>50906848
I make sure to get plenty of white border cards so I can mix them with black borders.

Especially new card frame white border.

>>50903403
Nothing compared to the 93/94 crowd.

>>50902950
google "mtg MUD"

>>50906953
Real talk, why does that bother people? I couldn't give less of a shit, I play with promo dragon broodmother and it gets people riled

>>50905930
There's apparently some sick combos you can pull off with her and allies, but I don't think they protect each other like slivers giving each other shroud/indestructible

>>50906953
Kek that sounds hilarious.
>>50906760
I would buy yugioh cards again if they had an edh variant.

>>50906953
I always go for some white border basic lands in every deck

>>50907186
Why, Blue Eyes, Red Eyes and Dark Magician would all be shit commanders. Why even live.

>>50906953
new... white border card frame?

>>50906313
Play animar. Doit.
You are going to get an unimaginable amount of hate when people first see, but the feeling of dropping a hand of morphs into play t4 cannot be equaled.
Run only the morphs that flip to do usefull things, countering spells, bouncing dudes, willbender, and just do your best to controll the board while you beat everyone to deaths with an army of 2/2's and your huge animar.
Run ways to refill your hand. Edric, bident of thassa, prime speaker.
Run stuff to bounce your own creatures. Crystal shard or cloudstone curio, if you are willing to play fair.
Get a set of translucent sleeves and put a morph token on the back of every card in the deck. Doit.

>>50907368
Er, not the M15 frame, but the one before that.

>>50907250
>he doesn't know about the Blue-Eyes archetype that tore the meta a new asshole for a while recently

>>50906714
Gitrog is great even without Crucible. I used to run Splendid Reclamation and Drownyard Temple and it was still fucking good. It draws enough cards that you'll be able to do shit. My current deck also has Loam and Dakmor Salvage which are all-stars. You don't even need to blow the money on Crucible to ride the 'rog

>>50907449
I know of both, run both and gitrog in mazirek, but I just don't feel right doing it unless I have crucible. Loam has dropped a bit in price so I may get one and try it out

>>50905639
Goblin Sharpshooter
Ordeal of Nylea

I'm kinda confused about Mizzix.

If I play X cost spells, that increases my experience counters because it's CMC becomes what I play it for. It's cost + whatever X ends up being. Does that also count for buyback, flashback? I don't think it does, but I want to calculate possible fun levels.

>>50903028
>>50903317
>Building decks around "cute" cards
fucking really?

>>50907640
nofunallowed.jpg

>>50907614
Buyback is an additional cost which I believe mizzix's ability does affect, and yes to flashback as well.

>>50907652
What's fun about it? I'm honestly interested

>>50907662
I know it affects it, but does it increase my Experience Counters.

I want to know how I can ramp as fast as possible to the soft cap.

>>50907672
I don't know I'm not a fag.

>>50907684
my stoned ass decided I should elaborate in case of further confusion.

Let's say I have 2 experience Counters. I play seething song for 1 red, the CMC is 3 so I have 3 experience counters. Now if I play reiterate, and pay the 2R 1 and buy it back for free, does the buyback make it "6 cmc" or is it "3 CMC". Same with Flashback. I only ask because they're additional costs.

>>50907640
Derevi is a cute card

>>50907684
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=405303

>Mizzix’s last ability doesn’t change the mana cost or converted mana cost of any spell. It changes only the total cost you pay

By that reading it only reduces the amount you can pay for buyback/flashback, it does not affect the overall CMC of the card.

>>50907750
I figured, but I was wondering if buyback and flashback interact with the stack in the same way the X costs do. Question answered though.

Thanks man.

>everyone in meta is playing Atraxa or Assbuddies
>Build Tana and Tymna
>fun as shit tokens with some card draw
>Fallen Ideal is stupid on Tana
>Hatred on either is amazing

I'm in love with this shit.

>>50907792
>play something that draws hatred and everyone attacks me
>play something that is weak and of no threat
>everyone attacks me

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>>50907807

I was talking about the card Hatred.

Also, Thrasios is getting annoying.

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/soc/ incoming

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>>50907504
>>50907449
Well looking at what I got. I can build a fairly powerful gitrog deck, my only question is how many tutors should I run?

>>50907860
I, personally, run Jarad's Orders (it usually puts Jarad in the yard and whatever I need into my hand), Diabolic Tutor, and Crop Rotation, and Traverse the Ulvenwald because that's what I've got.

>>50907951
I got demonic tutor which is better than diabolic but I seen no reason to not run both. I'll start work on it tomorrow

>>50907504
Loam turns Gitrog into a fucking joke
>Discard a land
>Dredge Loam (mill a land for more draw triggers)
>Cast Loam, get the lands back
>Discard lands

Discarding Dakmor Salvage to mill yourself out for 10 minutes on your end step is pretty great.

>>50908019
It's honestly kind of crazy sometimes keeping track of stuff. If you discard lands in your discard phase and draw more cards to more than 7 with Gitrog out, you have to discard again, right? I'm never sure and I run into it all the time.

>>50904860
Its pretty nice. Good luck getting it off in selesyna. I have it in a naya colored deck and I always setup the haste before hand so I can just drop both pieces and start making tokens. The last thing you need is to give someone a turn to remove it.

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After a few hours, it is finished.

First time making an EDH deck, I'm going to play with people who mostly run EDH precons or have slightly modified them. I am going for a warrior tribal vibe.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zurgo-warrior-tribal-4/

Anything I missed or you'd change?

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>>50907847

/soc/ bullshit is always fun.

>>50908151
You discard if you have excess to your maximum hand size during your end step, after you have discarded to your hand size you then draw the cards, so you can't completely draw/mill yourself out that way

>>50905639
Nightshade Peddler, Basilisk Collar, Bow of Nylea, Spike Weaver

>>50908292
Speaking of Basilisk Collar that card needs a fucking reprint.

>>50908019
What's the typical endgame that way? The necrotic ooze combo or are there others I'm not thinking of right now

>>50908343
I usually just ramp like a mad cunt and kill people with massive Avanger of Zendikar plants and Jarad's sacrifice ability. Mine almost never gets to actually attack with the tokens because I don't have a craterhoof. Thinking of putting in an Exsanguinate as well.

I just built bobo enraged, and I fucking love it

>>50907714
Playing a card and paying the buyback cost does not affect the converted mana cost. Buyback is an additional cost you can pay while casting the spell to get an extra effect.

The same goes for flashback.

I'm new to magic and was introduced through edh
I was thinking about starting a milling deck with Phenax as the commander, any suggestions?

>>50907765
Buyback and flashback are additional and alternative casting costs, respectively, and do not alter a card's converted mana cost. Only the mana value printed in the top right corner determines a card's converted mana cost. If the card has X in its mana cost, then the value of X is included in determining its mana cost.
Note that X can only have a value while being a spell on the stack. Hangarback Walker will always have a CMC of zero while not on the stack.

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Need to convince Best mate and Wife to brew more decks.

>>50908280
From the comprehensive rules:
514. Cleanup Step
514.1. First, if the active player’s hand contains more cards than his or her maximum hand size
(normally seven), he or she discards enough cards to reduce his or her hand size to that number.
This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
514.2. Second, the following actions happen simultaneously: all damage marked on permanents (including phased-out permanents) is removed and all “until end of turn” and “this turn” effects end. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
514.3. Normally, no player receives priority during the cleanup step, so no spells can be cast and no abilities can be activated. However, this rule is subject to the following exception:
514.3a At this point, the game checks to see if any state-based actions would be performed and/or any triggered abilities are waiting to be put onto the stack (including those that trigger “at the
beginning of the next cleanup step”). If so, those state-based actions are performed, then those
triggered abilities are put on the stack, then the active player gets priority. Players may cast
spells and activate abilities. Once the stack is empty and all players pass in succession, another cleanup step begins.

>TL;DR: You have to discard again and again until you are able to pass the turn with 7 or less cards in hand

>>50903403
Hey fuck you, my pimped out bird tribal deck looks amazing with my foil Rise of the Eldrazi #234 Islands and my foil Magic 2013 #231 Plains.

>>50905930
You can build around ETB abilities like I did. Its always fun doing 180 damage by casting rite of replication on a hagra ot gaining 180 life by doing the same on an ondu cleric.
>>50907179
>Three ally types, ones that get buffed by +1/+1, ones that have etb abilities such as hagra and oncu cleric and ones that give an armywide buff until end of turn such as hero of goma fada (ind). The trick is to know when to bounce / use each and how to do so on enemy turns. Slivers are better in the way of having it without the need of etb trigger but I dont think they can pull of the crazy ETB combos the allies can.

>want to build an edh deck
>don't want to buy a precon
>spend a considerable amount of time seeing different commanders, deck builds etc.
>too indecisive to choose what to build
>this has been going on for months.

How do I free myself of this hell, /tg/?

Its only the first step anon. I was in the same exact place and one day I just said fuck it, I'll just get the commander I like to have as a card. Little by little after seeing the card just sit there everyday I built the deck. Just get a commander you like, for the card itself. Then you'll see you will have motivation to build the deck you want.

>>50909749
This was meant for this >>50909685

>>50906760
>I sometimes wish YGO had a commander equivalent.
Oh, if only... There's casual still.

>>50905623
From the series: great art and card names wasted on jank.

>>50908343
Currently I'm running a few wincons with mine. Damnable pact to make them lose X life, where X is a huge number.
Splendid Reclamation with Retreat to Hagra or Ob Nixilis, the Fallen for instant death. Or Rampaging Baloths with a few landfall trigger per turn

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>>50905639
You actually need help breaking quite possibly the most broken commander in the game? They were forced to give him a day 0 errata and he STILL got himself banned in French.

>>50903148
Overpriced anthem and token generation spell tribal. Nobody sees it coming.

>>50909685
Try out the decks on Xmage before investing in them

What are some mean combos I can pull off with ghave? The deck revolves around setting up infinite etbs and having either zulaport cutthroat, blood artist, or something that gets counters on etb/ltb triggers. Extractor Demon unearthed is a sneaky mill wincon and there are like 10 ways I can combo off with Mazirek out there. I have like 6 tutors and 5 or 6 wraths, so outside of Mike and Trike, or Revilark/Guide is there anything spicy I should know about? I already have some fuck huge beat sticks in there to give people the impression I'm not just going to combo off t6.

So two players in my group are starting to try and out Stax effect eachother. Just really grind down the game till its just a pile of shit and tapped permanents.

I am talking half the table having full Orb effects and other board controls making everything enter tapped while each having more boardwipes than the rest of us.

One of them is straight up just killing lands indiscriminately.

We usually get to play 4 player games and we would just build up a boardstate and tidal wave across the table but now it is boring as the table gets locked down while the two people who specifically built around it try to beat the other into submission.

I miss the times we would all play Voltrons and just beat the shit out of eachother

>>50910748
Meant to add, What do?

I just play Bruna Voltron and my other non-douche friend plays Aurelia .

The other two are playing U/W/x

Everyone has multiple decks but these two players are just in a never ending arms race to control the playgroup.

We only have about 6-7 players and ~25 decks but they vary in power level.

>>50910748
Ask them to play something else. If that doesn't work, build some sort of combo reanimator and ramp deck that punishes them for being stupid with stax. Stax players also hate effective mill, so that's also an option. Planeswalkers are tough to deal with through noncombat.

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>>50907847

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Every deck I build is just goodstuff how do I stop this, I used to just play voltron decks but it started to get boring and I could tell my group didn't like them. Every time I build I deck now it ends up being too good or just generic on colour good cards

Currently have:

>GW goodstuff
>UGx goodstuff
>BG goodstuff
>Mardu goodstuff
>artifact goodstuff
>red combo
>green voltron

I want more decks too but it's getting to the point now where it's just the same deck save 20 or so cards and maybe one less / one extra colour than something I already have, and a different commander. Don't really want to buy my 5th craterhoof etc desu how do I break this chain??

Other people must also have / had this problem here please.

Is the problem you don't want to build casual decks or is it that you only want to play your good deck?

>>50910874
Impose a budget or some other constraint. Go for alternative ways of winning, or winning using specific tools. Build around a unique commander, make all cards help it or depend on it somehow.

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>>50907847
Here is my shitty attempt at making one, I didn't put nearly as much effort into it though.

>>50910874
I feel like because I don't KNOW many of these older top tier staple cards, I don't own or include them and don't miss them. The more I play, the more I learn, the more I acquire, and the better my decks get.

I'm at I'll middle tier but I'd say either build with a rule that a certain portion of your cards have to be subpar, OR literally copy someone's deck which is similar in theme but at a power level you want, and then tweak it little by little while maintaining that power level.

Also, manabase is a big factor. If you have fetches and all the good mana rocks you're already going to have a massive advantage against someone with a few 3 cost dual mana artifacts and cards that cost less than 10 bucks.

>>50910874
Build a demilich deck where there are no creatures and your commander comes out for lethal damage. And then play sealed.

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>>50910897
I try this but my meta and playgroup is already very goodstuffy and they sometimes get a bit pissy with too frequent combo wins as they don't like when somebody just wins out of nowhere, as opposed to alpha striking which to me is pretty much the same but it's whatever. So I already try to accommodate that despite being a Johnny, as we play as more of a social thing and I want everybody to be having fun as much as possible.
Already have a couple commanders I'd consider unique and I try to build around them as much as possible yet a lot of the times many of the cards end up being the same anyway

>>50910964
Already have a no creatures deck but aside from that it's still pretty much goodstuff in what it plays.

>>50910946
Don't like making my decks worse unless there is cards which are clearly being oppressive and hard to deal with over multiple games though, don't like to copy decks either and try to build on my own as much as possible.

>>50911034
>my meta and playgroup is already very goodstuffy
Well than sit with them and talk it through. Alternatively find a second group to play with sometimes with different decks.

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>>50911085

>>50910748
You guys need to talk. Two stax decks in the same pod is no fun, and why play edh if you're not gonna have fun?

>>50911085
>>50911092

Jesus christ, UG getting even MORE tools.

>>50911092
The absolute madmen did it, a motocontinuum!

>>50911085
Oh boy.

Basilisk Collar and Grafted Wargear are good in edh?

>>50911085
>Tezzereth coming back from phyrexia
>Now an artifact able to open portals between planes is created
oh boy

>>50908313
You don't like the doggo?

>Inspired wizards with Lady Azami and Derevi
Just what am I trying to draw

>>50911234
Basilisk collar is great. Not sure about wargear since i dont own the card.

>>50911267
And then the jacetice league sets fire to the phyrexians and kill them forever by the power of magical friendship. :^)

So is Voltron like the waifu style, it does seem boring. But then the whole game could be boring

>>50911426
Voltron is fun if it is what you like, it is a unique challenge.

Getting to 21 Commander Damage may be easy for the big names but other commanders have to wait for the perfect opportunity to take down an opponent.

It suffers in multiplayer pods though since it will only ever kill one one player a turn without some extreme shenanigans.

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>>50906313
Play pic related

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>>50911092
FUCKING BRAIN IN A JAR WITH THIS NONESENSE

>>50911724
You need to have the whole scale in your hand for it to happen though, that's magicalchristmasland af

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>>50911085
another fucking way to grab hoof.

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>>50911092
>putting the finishing touches on King Macar
>have one slot left
>see this

>>50911731
yes, but edh is the christmasland format. im sure things like melek would have no trouble getting there. this is brand new so i can think of the best example, but there are plenty of things that tap to aid in casting spells. Getting a free dramatic reversal with every cast in a format full of mana rocks has incredible potential to be extremely busted

>>50911092
If Prophet got banned how will this not end up banned?

>>50911732
Fuck you

>>50912036

prophet untapped lands

>>50911364
I wish this wasnt the case but I know it will happen and be bullshit.

>>50911092
woo another way for the retarded level 1 autists to fish out a wincon at turn 4

>>50912149
actually meant to quote this >>50911085 but honestly its applicable to this one as well

>>50912067
It seems way to strong still, artifact play already has way too much solid support and usually run tons of manarocks.

>>50912127
Honestly it is quite sad how the story has evolved since battle for zendikar.

>>50912290
Could you give a more detailed explanation as to why you don't like the lore's direction?

I started with RTR so the story has always been shit to me.

>>50911092
Hey if they weren't nudging you hard enough to make elves combo-focused then this should seal the deal.

>>50912036
1) Prophet untapped lands, and did it without any input every turn; this doesn't untap lands, and requires you to cast a spell to get that effect.

2) Prophet also gave your creature spells Flash, which comboed with point 1 to let you just windmill slam 4 creatures a turn. This might let you chain a couple things together if you're heavy on rocks, but it's not the kind of thing you can just brainlessly slide into any deck and instantly receive value.

>>50909063
Perfect for mill, but just know that it's a super annoying archetype to play against.

>>50912300
I don't like the shift of perspective and focus. It revolves too much about the super friendship jacetice league and goddamn, after a while it gets boring to see the same five planeswalker.

Also they gut every damn villain, the eldrazi titans are supposed to be this all consuming force from the blind eternities and.. two of them get burned to death and the third kind of just goes to sleep in the moon.

Next villain that gets gutted is probably nicol bolas.

That's just my opinion tho, but I thought nahiri was pretty cool.

>>50912394
The Eldrazi ARE an all-consuming force. The only reason they beat those two was because the literal animist personification of the PLANE funneled an unreasonable amount of mana directly into a walking incinerator to take out the 'lesser' two, and it's not even that they're impossible to kill- Ugin just didn't think it was a good idea to kill them.

And Emrakul locked HERSELF in the moon. She didn't get gutted, she played the Jacetice League like a fucking fiddle.

>>50911267
How did Emrakul get her giant vagina ass to Innistrad, power of Lovecraft? Am I stupid and eldrazi can go anywhere? What are slivers?

Oh sweet Jesus.

>testing ghave out at flgs
>game 1 ends t5 after I hit blood artist and ashnods
>game 2 durdles until kalonian hydra and corpsejack menace show up
>game 3 is back and forth, I've used almost all my removal and the board is still packed
>top deck demonic tutor, snag myself Mazirek
>loop puppeteer clique with carrion feeder until my board is too big to stop
Wow, I feel so degenerate. Is this how you all feel every day?

>>50912433
Yeah, I know.

To be honest I might be a bit biased because I really liked the eldrazi titans and seeing what they did to them was pretty disappointing. cardwise and lorewise. Kozilek was a disappointment on all levels, ulamog is pretty sweet tho, same as emrakul.

>>50912462
So, imagine you are a tiny fish, living in a pond. One day a man walks by, and sticks his fingertips into the pond. To you, that's 5 monstrous creatures, but in reality all of them are just a fraction of the actual singular entity outside of where you 'live'.

Same deal with the Eldrazi. They EXIST within the Blind Eternities- the formless void between planes. They project themselves onto planes, like you would stick your arm into a pond. They can 'travel to other planes' as easily as you can walk to another pond.

Slivers are just highly adaptable lifeforms native to Dominaria.

>>50912507
Kozilek makes a fantastic commander though and he won't draw you nearly as much attention as the other two.

>>50912507
I dunno, man. I was personally a huge fan of Kozilek mindfucking Tazri.

>>50912580
This.

Kozi had a bit of a personality to him while Ulamog was just a hungry fucker

>>50912462
The eldrazi are able to move between planes yes.

For the slivers it's when Urza's team decided to destroy whichever plane by merging two of them. Most of the slivers died but some got stuck between planes and adapted themselves to survive and move through the interplanes.

>>50912596
I thought the Overlay was the work of Phyrexia.

Also, do we know how Slivers got to Shandilar?

>>50912596
>when Urza's team decided to destroy whichever plane by merging two of them
Not quite. The Rathi Overlay wasn't Urza's doing, it was the Phyrexians. They stationed their troops on the artificial plane of Rath, then merged it with Dominaria.

Slivers were 'native' to Rath, and most of them were killed as soon as the overlay happened. The rest were killed off throughout the Invasion itself.

100 years later, the Riptide project resurrected slivers from fossils, they went apeshit, some of them fused into the Sliver Ovelord. Some got timeshifted, but mostly they were stuck on Dominaria.

The only other plane confirmed to have slivers is Shandalar, which had the weird humanoid ones. Absolutely zero slivers have showed any ability to travel between planes naturally.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-artificers-dilemna/

Wishing I'd snagged that Hangarback Walker.

I'm re-running Myr Battlesphere, and I'm curious if anyone has any tips. Everytime someone I see someone try Breya more staxy it fucks up. It's just Daretti + Esper how hard can it be?

first time stax though.

>>50912683
>The Rathi Overlay wasn't Urza's doing, it was the Phyrexians.
My bad, I misremenbered.

For the slivers, I was thinking about the Shadow Sliver, which is said to be "trapped between planes", but I guess it could also means they're only stuck between Rath and Dominaria. Still doesn't explain what the fuck those humanoid slivers are and where they come from

>>50912644
We don't.

>>50912743
Yeah, things with Shadow were basically stuck between Dominaria and the echoes of Rath. No actual interplanar travel, just sorta shifted into a mirror dimension.

And the humanoid slivers are on Shandalar. Different plane.

>>50912743
Shandalar also has regular looking slivers which are governed by the more humanoid looking ones.

Think of the humanoid, more fully formed ones as officers while the clawed worms are grunts.

The hive on Shandalar is ruled by a much more traditional Sliver looking monarch, the Hivelord.

>>50912766
There are more BESTIAL looking Slivers on Shandalar, but none of the Shandalari slivers are the traditional "Beaked snake with a claw" form we know from Dominaria.

Help me build a pirate themed deck gang. So far I've decided it's going to be the following colors:
>U
Because pirates are primarily blue, also water/islands etc
>B
Because pirates are also primarily black
>R
Because then I can use Volcanic island and loot effects
>G
Because pirates love to visit tropical islands, also birds of paradise etc.

Right now the auto-includes are cards involving treasure (cruise, mage, etc) and I suppose one goal of the deck will be hunting for the ultimate treasure: Alladin's ring/lamp.

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>>50912766
How long before the Slivers overcome their basic predatory urges and achieve a true sentient state, whether as a hive mind or as individuals?

>>50912769
Incorrect. They have appeared both on card art and in story.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/bard-and-biologist-2014-07-09

>>50912810
My mistake, I forgot M15 had Slivers.

Three drop ajani okay for bant?

Is it worth basing your deck on an enchantment, up to having Auramancer
I really like Auramancer

>>50913338
sure why not

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>>50912805
I dunno

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How's this in Jeleva?

>>50913378
I'm not sure I want a ton of flicker though, how do I Voltron? I want to use Sunbound

>>50913450
Sunbond holy shit this whole time

Reminder that if you don't bully the player playing blue counterspells at your table, you're actively making EDH the most unbalanced format.

>>50912805
make a girxis deck with lord if tresserhorn

Reminder to focus on players playing blue counterspells asap if you want to have fun.

>>50913586
Reminder that fun is overrated.

Reminder that anyone playing blue counterspells is a selfish player that enjoys ruining the fun in EDH.

>>50913627
>>50913586
>>50913568

I prefer counterspells to Staxman John, honestly

>>50913568
>>50913586
>>50913627
Who hurt you anon?

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>>50913568
>>50913586
>>50913627
STOP INTERACTING WITH MY BOARD AND STOPPING ME FROM WINNING IT'S NOT FAIR

>>50911364
God I fucking hope so
>muh complaetion
>muh machine assimilation
Phyrexia is nothing more than shitty Borg knockoffs with Giger-esque knockoff art, I would drink the tears of all the faggots who fap to Elesh Norn so hard if this happened
Mirroden is pretty boring too, they can keep that

>>50913703
This but it secretly makes my pussy wet

>>50913703
>that doujin
yoooooo

>>50911272
too spensif

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>>50911092
This card is fucking broken. What were they thinking when they made this?

>>50913784
Oh shit well glad I have one

>>50913784
It's nine fucking dollars.

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>>50913586
Bully him AND everyone else in the best way possible.

>>50913822
Sometimes I say something about how much money I spend on magic to people who don't play the game and remember how ridiculous my cardboard addiction is

>>50913889
It's not a 'cardboard addiction'. The only reason they look at you like a crazy person is because your hobby isn't 'accepted'. Someone blowing 500 dollars on a new golf club is looked at as a "serious golfer", but someone spending 30 bucks on a foil Commander on a whim is mocked. Hobbies can be insanely expensive if you let them, no matter what they are, it's just that most people have an 'acceptable' hobby like spending 500 dollars to watch the Superbowl from a shitty seat and pay 30 dollars for beer.

>>50912300
Not that the story for MTG was ever good but whenever they wrote cliched and trop-ridden characters you only had to suffer them for one block, or they died horrible deaths like the Weatherlight saga. Now we have to deal with SJW brigade every fucking block. They changed planeswalkers with the mending to make them more mortal and then ironically they made make them the center of the story and give them incredible plot armor.

>>50913922
I think it also has to do with what you are getting out of it too and what went into making the product. Magic cards are just pieces of cardboard whereas a golf club is made of metal and shit as well as being bigger which gives them a much greater perceived worth and easier to justify

>>50913922
Golf is the quintessential wealthy hobby. Most hobbies have a large upfront cost and little more to maintain them. MTG is not that way.

>>50913758
Link?

>>50913988
It makes you realize value is such a nebulous idea

>>50914046
a boy who lost himself to drugs

>>50914010
Disagree. You can play Magic for pennies a year, or you can blow hundreds of dollars a month on it, and anywhere inbetween. I have friends who have fun playing golf with hand-me-down and used clubs that just go pay green fees every few weeks, just like I know people that buy a Commander precon and go to prereleases. I know people who spend literally 5 figures a year on their classic car 'hobby', just like I know people who own fully foiled out Japanese EDH decks.

>>50913797
the same thing wizards has in mind for every decision they make: investors. they have no interest in supporting the actual game or playerbase

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>>50911092
Holy shit, I thought Christmas was over

>>50914228
That's flawed thinking.

It's true that WOTC is owned by Hasbro, which is a publicly traded company. It's true that WOTC is a for-profit company and wants to turn a profit. But to say they have no interest in supporting the game or playerbase is cynical and incorrect. The playerbase is the only reason the game can BE profitable. If there weren't millions of people worldwide who play Magic, who buy packs, who drive the secondary market, who attend events, then it would not be profitable.

Yes, their primary goal is to turn a profit, rather than to please the players, but the way to make the most money is to keep the largest amount of people hooked into the game for as long as possible. You don't turn a profit by alienating your customer base, you turn a profit by keeping it either stable or growing. Look at how Konami runs Yu-Gi-Oh! by comparison; that is absolutely a franchise treated like a cash cow. The way Konami treats the game and the player base just screams that they've been expecting the whole thing to go tits-up and die for years now, so every cent they wring out of people's pockets is just gravy.

>>50913922
>It's not a 'cardboard addiction'.
Some people have actual problems controlling the use of their money, it could be a cardboard addiction. I'd draw the line when you start considering not paying your debts to get Moats.

>>50914349
That's fair. My point was, spending normal-for-hobby sums of money on your hobby isn't an 'addiction' just because your hobby isn't socially normal.

If you're eating 2 bowls of Ramen a day to fund your hobby, it's a fucking addiction, whether you're buying Moats or NRFB Star Trek figures or car parts. The hobby itself is irrelevant.

>>50914334
Konami is pretty bad, from what I have seen they print must-have cards that only go up in price and half a year later they just reprint them to hell and back in lower rarity and as tin promos.

Tho I am not sure what is worse.. reprinting must-have cards constantly and saying "fuck you" to people who invest into it or not reprinting certain cards for ages/reprint them at mythic and glue a $9.99 price tag to the boosters they could potentially be in.

>>50914582
I'm not a huge fan of the higher price tag on the Masters sets either, but Magic is still a FAR lesser evil than YGO. Legacy and Vintage have been dying for years because of WOTC's staunch refusal to break the Reserve List, and most of Modern's price woes are exacerbated or directly caused by shithead speculators and buyouts.

I need a new, fun, different deck /tg/. What do? Last few decks I played were:

Jarad
Shirei
Stonebrow
Norin

I always pride myself on doing something different / giving myself restrictions or a theme in EDH, because I want games to be interesting. However I don't have any inspiration right now except for maybe doing Vorel? He seems fun.

>>50914891
Isperia Fliers.

>>50906480
hence why its a fun challenge

Post counterspell suites, mine needs work
so far I've got:
Negate, Stubborn Denial, Disdainful Stroke, Dissipate, Miscalculation, Arcane Denial, Kheru Spellsnatcher, and Confirm Suspicions. I'm about to get a Dream Fracture as well and probably a regular Counterspell.

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>>50903346
More or less autistic than blowing hundreds every few months on paper that rotates out of legality?

Fuck me, why is cutting the last 20 cards from a potential deck the hardest part?

>>50913421
I've piloted a Tasigur deck that was built around this fucking thing, it wasn't even cutthroat but still hilarious when you can cast Praetor's Council four fucking times in a game.

Jeleva would probably be just as fun, if you add it, add doomsday too. Get really cheeky.

>>50914912

That's like a cooler version of Brago

Thanks bro

>>50913400
Skeleton ship will be included obviously, as will pirate ship and armored galleon. A sub theme of the deck will be -1/-1 counters, thievery effects and islandwalk/island hate by making lands islands etc.
>>50913573
Lord of Tresserhorn will be in the deck, but the reason for splashing green is tropical island (pirates love tropical islands right) as well as artifact/enchantment hate, birds of paradise and Yidris provides great value for my shitty spells. Imagine the glory of Aladdin's Lamp into Aladdin's Ring.

Good suggestions, both of ye' anons.

>>50909685
Pull out the box of your Legendaries
Pick one
Cram 99 cards into it
Play
Repeatedly

What would yall say is cooler/better for a Boros deck with 30 creatures and a scroll rack: Cloud Key or Bonfire of the damned?

>>50914124
You can get by with pennies a year on MTG just as easily as you can play Hearthstone for free. Check out the average deck cost around these parts and I promise it's easily over $100. Conjectural evidence is not extrapolatory.

>>50913568
>>50913586
>>50913627
Fuck off, Saskia.

>>50915127
Insideous Will, Cryptic Command, Dismiss, Mental Misstep

>>50915127
Are you mono-U?

What power level is your meta?

>>50915664
generally pretty casual. I threw together a bunch of shitty green dorks and blue fliers for an Edric deck and found that it's actually a ton of stuff to pilot. Mystic Snake would probably also be nice to have, I suppose, eh?

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>>50902660
What if Planar Bridge and Paradox Engine only had masterwork printings.

>>50911085
terrible
>>50911092
very interesting

should I put in my new Myth Realized?

>>50915931
Shifting into maximum over jew

>we'll never print utility masterworks

>>50911092
This is retarded.

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>>50911092
What were they thinking?

>>50911092
So is this supposed to basically win you the game as Azami?

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>>50916069
>imprint brainstorm
>infinite mana and the ability to draw what you need
>imprint swords to plowshare
>only you get to have creatures for the rest of the game
>imprint bolt
>everyone is just dead
>imprint silence
>only you get to cast stuff anymore

When the hell are they going to print enchantments up to par with their artifact counterparts

>>50916316
For extra feelbad imprint Memory Lapse.

My friends and I want to try out some cooperative gametypes for funsies. So far I've pretty much only found Horde and some weird solitaire masturbation games. Do you guys know of any others? Or have any recommendations?

>>50915543
>Just as easily as you can play Hearthstone for free
So... very? You can play a game for fun instead of for competition, and I don't get the equivalent of a free pack of Magic cards every day. I know people who put together sub-100 dollar EDH decks and have been able to enjoy those decks for -years- without spending a cent on them.

>>50916316
To be fair, all of those are literally 4 card combos. I think that's okay.

>>50916378
Well, Judge's Tower is goofy, but it's not very cooperative.

>>50916316
Paradox Engine triggers on cast, not copy.

>>50916531
Correct! However, Isochron Scepter (unlike the vast majority of copy-a-spell cards) creates a copy of the card in exile, then has you actually cast the copy, rather than putting a copy directly on the stack. Since you're casting that copy, it'll trigger Engine.

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I've been wanting to make an Eldrazi EDH pod commander deck to play against my friends. I was looking though some decks and this one caught my eye due to all if the scions you can get, which you can block and then sack and feed the colorless mana pool that you save up to cast bigger eldrazi. What do you guys think? I have most of the cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/48-kruphix-god-of-eldrazi-edh/

does Mycosynth Lattice let me use colored mana to pay for colorless costs, EG Eldrazi.

>>50916868
Colorless isn't a color, so no. If it were printed as 'spend mana as if it were mana of any type' then it would work.

>>50916912
thanks.

>>50910874
is that bitch dabbin

>>50916554
Whoops, assumed it was just a copy and not casting a copy. That's real funky wording.

Goddamn Engine is fucking retarded.

>>50917361
Yeah, it's funky because it has to be. Stuff like Twincast can just pull relevant information ("What modes were chosen for you? Were additional or alternate costs paid for you, and is that relevant? What are you targeting, and how many targets total? What is the value of your X?", etc, etc) from the spell on the stack and spit out a photocopy with all that shit locked in, and let you tweak things as needed (like how most of those effects let you change the target). Since Scepter is creating a copy of an exiled card, rather than a spell on the stack, none of that information is available, so creating a copy on the stack would... kinda not work. So instead it creates a copy in exile, then lets you cast that copy so you can manually input all that information via the normal steps of casting a spell.

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Guys, I have way more decks than I know what to do with. Aside from the problem that all of my decks want cards that other decks already have and my reluctance to buy doubles of staples, I have nowhere to fucking store them.

I keep buying those shitty Ultra-Pro 100-card boxes but each of those only fits one deck, and now that a friend of mine got me one of the new precons for Christmas I have about 6 or 7 decks on my hands all of a sudden. It used to be that I could bring all my decks around with me wherever I played EDH but that is no longer the case. What do you guys use to store/transport your decks?

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>>50917470
>6 or 7 decks
>way too many
Personally i use a Piratelabs case. It cost around 70 bucks, but it'll EASILY hold 12 double-sleeved decks, plus it has a compartment on the other side for a binder or two and a playmat. I carry 7 decks, all my Planes and Schemes, and a couple boxes for dice and tokens, plus my binder and playmat.

Prior to that, I could carry around ~9 double sleeved EDH decks and some tokens in one of the Holiday Boxes.

>>50916461
People who play Hearthstone for free grind for weeks and months to get the top tier decks. Again your conjectural experience doesn't trump the average.

>>50917470
Probably the worst thing to do, but if you remove the plastic case from the precon decks you can fit exactly two 100-card decks sideway in the cardboard box.

>>50917570
I've tried that, but they have to be unsleeved they don't fit. I actually have a sleeved deck in a different precon box, though. The lid doesn't go on all the way but it works well enough and I just couldn't stomach pissing away another $10 on a plastic box. Maybe I'm just too cheap for this hobby after all.

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Is there a build to make Wort fairly competitive. I can't find any red or green spells that really stand out.

>>50917653
Boundless Realms + Valakut
if you want it competitive you could even just run Scapeshift

>>50917661
Neat.

I was going to try Goblin tribal + wort spell support, but that sounds more fun.

>>50917653
Fireball, earthquake, bonfire of the damned, red sun's zenith, pyromancer's goggles, mirari, searing wind, damage doublers.

>>50917798
>damage doublers
Especially fire servant

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>>50917639
Nope, works fine with my two single-sleeved decks, but yeah you can't entirely close the box and it's a really tight fit

Brewing an enduring ideal deck

My question for y'all would be, how many slots of the deck is it advisable to dedicate to lockdown pieces that I only want for enduring ideal?

Basically my go-to is going to be arcane lab + poss storm to lock everybody out of spells, while I tutor an enchantment every turn

But poss storm isn't good for me unless everything else is already in place, therefore drawing it and having it in hand would be a problem, I wouldn't be able to get it with enduring ideal

So I figured I need at least one backup, and I think I'm going to go with dovescape + aether flash

Again though, I can't cast dovescape until I've got everything in place already

Do I need any other pieces (bearing in mind I'll still be able to grab lots of normal enchantress stuff with enduring ideal like o-rings and sphere of safety, etc) Or is it good enough to just bank on not drawing both poss storm and dovescape?

>>50917877
that sleeve at the front looks fucked

>>50917653

Wort token storm decks can combo off fairly quick in my experience. They are vulnerable but if your opponents forget they need to wipe the board on turn 4 every game against you, you can combo off turn 5

>>50917877
>you can't entirely close the box
I mean, this for me just means "it does not fit." What's the point of putting cards in a box if the box isn't secure? You might as well use a fucking Ziploc bag at that point.
I guess a rubber band might do the trick but I'd feel a lot better if the box were just a smidge deeper, I guess.

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>Looking to make a BU Pirate-Ninja themed deck with lots of rogues and stealing effects
>Basically meant to be played like evil Edric
>The rational side of me says go Sygg
>The Spirit of EDH tells me to do Skeleton Ship or Ramirez

Curse you Spirit of EDH, why must you tempt me to make sub-optimal builds in favor of pet cards and flavor?!

>>50918093

Sygg is a river cutthroat, seems plenty flavorful, and it's not like sygg is a competitive staple

>>50906760
>Series 1, Season 3, Virtual world
"Legendary Fisherman is my 'Deck Master'"
Thought something was gonna happen then.

>>50915931

I will personally go take a shit on Maro's breakfast bowl

>>50911092
>Azami
>Arcanis
>Basically anything that lets you tap for cards
Oh boy.

>>50915931
I'd kek and buy them for the couple tix price they'll inevitably be on MTGO.

>make Narset deck with no extra turns and only one extra combat step card
>play for the first time last night
>cast Narset without any counterspell backups
>"terminus!"

I never drew Narset again in a 3 hour game :(

>>50918666
Just return Narset to command zone as a replacement effect of the terminus

>>50918666
The tuck rule has been lifted, satan. You could have put her in the command zone.

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>>50918666
You can't fix stupid.

>>50918666
why would you choose to put it on the bottom?

>>50918758
WHAT

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN

>>50918772
Think it was this year

>>50918666
>>50918758
>>50918772
Yeah, your friends are kinda mean if they didn't tell you that.

>>50918843
I asked and they thought it I couldn't. And to be fair, they have done that with their own commanders

Im tired of all my decks, i need something new. Preferebly something that requires alot of thinking to be able to win, any recommendations?

>>50918767
I just started playing commander like 3 weeks ago

>>50918997
Arjun. You have to make snap decisions because your hand is gonna be gone after you play a thing.

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>>50918997
What you play atm?

>>50919010
That seems really interesting, doubling cards drawn semms bonkers

>>50919236
Kaalia, bought the precon and went on from there. Not really playing it that much.

Sigarda, Host of Herons human tribal

Oloro lifegain (no combos)

Brago (boring)

>>50918997

I was going to recommend storm, I feel like it's a real thinking man's deck, then I saw somebody suggest Arjun, and I agree with them that you gotta play smart with Arjun, do a lot of thinking

I also think Arjun happens to be a good storm-ish commander

>>50918546pl
I mean this is redundancy in Azami but that and the Arcanis combo deck already are built to dig for Turnabout or Mind over Matter so it won't do anything more broken than those two.

>>50919412
Found this article on edhrec

http://articles.edhrec.com/underdogs-corner-round-1-arjun-the-shifting-flame/

>>50919236
Please delete this image kudasai!

>>50919236
The more i look at it, the worse it becomes

Am I reading this interaction right? Derevi and four guys attack, I can stack untap Thornwind Faeries for six damage?

>>50919912
Yeh seems bad though

>>50919957
This untap sucks I just want a flying commander and cool artifacts

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I bought all 5 of the c16 decks, and i thought I would sleeve and box them like this
The idea is that they are in sleeves/boxes that are of the one color they do not contain, making it easy to tell at a glance which decks are which.

Obviously once I am able i will buy satin towers or dragon hide boxes, something nicer, but for now just shitty ultra pro 100s will have to do.

I would like to try to work on all 5 decks and make them "better" eventually but after i get fetches and shocks.

>>50917565
>to get the top tier decks
Whoever said anything about top tier?

I didn't say "you can play cutting-edge competitive without paying a cent", I said "you can play it for free". Just like people can buy a 10 dollar precon and play that for literally years without buying any more cards. Will they win a tournament with it? Fuck no they won't, and it's only even legal for a few months. But the question isn't "can you play at the highest level cheaply", the question is "can you enjoy the game without sinking a ton of money into it", and the answer is yes.

>>50920074
do you think this is a fine idea or a bit autism?

>>50919912
You can.

Y'shouldn't, but you can.

>>50920091

Both

>>50915169
If you buy into standard you deserve to lose that money, just saying.

at least in EDH, my cardboard dragons don't lose all value.

>>50920074
i think thats a cool idea anon, seems like you can never use those colors again though. i like to pair my 2 color commander kinda similar, the box is one of the colors and the sleeves are another color

>buy a copy of wraith of god
>only pay attention to the fact that its near mint
>it arrives today
>its fucking white border

god fucking damn it literally the only fucking one in the whole god damn deck

>>50919412
If there's one thing my opponents do not enjoy in EDH, it's me sitting there spending 20 minutes thinking about how to play out my turn.

>>50920091
Fine idea, a bit autism to ask us for validation.

>>50920386
so what

>>50920074
i have a friend who 3d prints his own boxes and then has the commander card printed on it

>>50920386
I mean gets some white border lands

>>50920431
usually i dont really care but if i can get black border ones i do because i like the way they look more. this case in particular irritates me more because there is only 1 in the whole deck

>>50920386
I had 99/100 black border cards for years.

Finally found a guy trading away a black bordered volcanic island two months ago, it was such a great feeling.

>>50920485
I justify having my duals white-bordered because it makes them easier to find when I fetch them.

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>>50907847

>>50920458

I prefer white borders and have the problem that there are too many cards that lack a white border version