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Subject goes in subject field Edition

>Freshest Rules in Epub (Use Readium for PC or Kobo on Android)
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>Older stuff in PDFs:
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>As current as the FAQs get
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>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
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>Forge World Book Index:
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>List Builder if BS doesn't add enough bloat for you
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
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>>50896461
First for what'd you get for Christmas?

Happy to say I got the woofers' battle force and Burning of Prospero. Where you a good boy this year anon?
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1st for the greater good
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>>50896474
I got
1 xv95
1 xv88
1 barracuda ax-5-2
not exactly gw, but an airbrush for painting and 2 paints
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>>50896474
I bought myself the DW battleforce, codex, datacards and DW half of each boxed game sets
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Why were the legions given a number that doesn't match the order they were discovered? Horus was the first primarch to be found by the Emperor, yet they are the 16th legion?
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>>50896518
They were given numbers by the order of their test tubes. The legions were created and given those numbers before the primarchs were re-discovered.
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>>50896474
Imperial Knight arriving tomorrow, trying to work up the motivation to finish my last 5 Skitarii Rangers so I can start on it when it turns up.

Also a bunch of basing stuff and paints, so I can hopefully make my Admech (my first army) bases that aren't featureless void discs.
Saving up to start a second army now, so I can spend some time on titivating this one. Just finished Skitarii #15, though, and they're damn fiddly for a new painter as far as I can tell.
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>>50896518
Numbered after the emperor's test tubes.

IIRC the higher the number the more the Emperor tweaked them.
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>>50896518
It was the one crafted from their Primarch's gene-storage on Terra. They were always destined to lead their specific legion, because that legion was being pumped with the remaining gene-seed from square one
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>>50896461

Does anyone else have the burning desire to stick a fully assembled and pro painted Magnus The Red figure up their own lubed ass?
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>>50896553
Naw, I've a purpose bought Helix Syn.
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>>50896474
Nothing, my self gift from brother vinnil are lost in Italy for some reason.
GW is not responding to check if they commi the same mistake.

Beside the bag lady, European miniature sellers have problems with things outside of Europe or USA
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>>50896474
I got Magnus, Scarab Occult Terminators, and a cutting mat. This was a awesome Christmas. I get some time tomorrow to begin painting.
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>>50896553
i see Mr.Ass Marbles has continued his experiments

>>50896474
got myself the made to order daemonettes and seekers, friend got me 1k sons dice, sock monkey keychain (guess i'll never lose my keys again), lottery ticket, and an alarm clock which doesn't seem user friendly
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Post my FUN* Nid list, just incase anyone missed it
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>>50896658
Swap the Venom Cannon for a Barbed Strangler on the Warriors.

You know yourself how competitive the list is so no need to comment on that. Without the Snotpod for the Zoans it might be better to just take Hive Guard. You'll need something to pop transports early to ge thte use out of the biovores.
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really just wanna make wraithhost army cause ive always loved the models
heres what im thinking
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>>50896658
Looks good. It'll perform just fine as long as your opponent is also playing a fun list. It probably won't do too well against a Riptide wing.
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>>50896711
Yeah i was thinking about that, and i think the Guard models look really cool
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>>50896658
>>50896711
Maybe drop the second Tervigon and his Termagants to get two min sized Termagant objective holders, a Snotpod for the Zoanthropes, and then some Hive Guard also.

Tervigons are nice supporters but I couldn't justify two of them since the last update.
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>>50896461
So, I may have just discovered a pretty big strategy GSC can do.

You know the Broodcoven formation? The one where the Patriarch, Magus, and Primus all act as one unit? Well, in the insurrection detachment's rule Numbers Beyond Counting, it says any time a unit goes into ongoing reserves, it may replenish d6 units previously slain. So, this means that if, say, the Patriarch was slain in the Broodcoven, you could Return to the Shadows and get him back easily.

The only question is, does he come back at full wounds, or just one?

>>50896474
I got a Neophyte Armored Claw, a GSC Leman Russ, new measuring tapes, and a hand drill.
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>>50896873
Yes GSC are rather OP do not get fooled about the fact they are melee in shooty edition.

When you reliably assault turn 1. Being melee in shooty edition stops being a problem
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>>50896658
>>50896711
>>50896855
>>50896729
Just fiddled with it a bit thoughts?
Probably won't get around to making it until mid 2017, but it's fun to listcraft
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>>50896723
If it's Wraithtime, drop the third Windrider squad and get another Spiritseer.
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What are the current rules for the forge world ork stuff? At one point there was an update to the IA8 rules in the FW download section, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore and you can't buy IA8 from them either. Does this mean a second edition is coming 'soon'?

Also, they stopped making the kill krusha? Does anyone know a recaster who still does them?
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>>50896723
where are your wraithplanes and wraithseer?
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>>50896912
cool will do
feel bad taking that many bikes
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>>50896997
If you're feeling merciful you can shave it down further to Rangers for slightly more defensive backfield camping.

>>50896930
Has another point, see if you can bear to part with a Wraithlord for another of those toys.
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>>50897039
only taking them cause i feel like hte list might be a bit too slow for objective games

also thinking about taking wraithplane formation because antiair
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>>50896873
Cool trick, but return to shadows is fairly easy to deny. I still don't think I'd run Broodcoven.
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>>50896474
An XV88 and this beauty.
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>>50897058
actually it's terrible at anti air because it has blast weapons, if you want anti air take a few eldar missile launchers since they come with the skyfire missiles for free

>>50897144
i'm very jealous now, how much armor do you have?
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Are death guard fun? I've seen people say they're OP but can they stand up to Tau, eldar and the like?
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>>50897163
That breasplate, a kettle helmet, and a padded jack. Wars of the Roses are the best period to reenact, I'd say.
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>>50896474
How could you triple-niggers POSSIBLY fuck up we're/where/were? They don't even SOUND the same like your/you're and they're/their/there.

Degenerate illiterates everywhere, I swear to fuck.
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>>50897252
you know that 4chan is used in places besides the US, right? english might not be his first language
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Probably stupid question: Is there a way to field multiple space Marine Captains and a chapter master outside of an Apocolypse game? It's probably pointless to ask, because the cost of fielding 2-4 demi-companies and a 1st company task force is Apocolypse range anyway.
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>>50897252
I blame autocorrect. Specially when you casually use 2 to 4 different languages.
My case Spanish, English, Portuguese and Korean. Enjoy as the phone struggle to autocorrect that mess
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>>50897281
I find people with english as second or even third language put considerably more effort into spelling than natives do.
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>>50897289
You can stack as many CADs in the same army as you want.
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>>50897289
Multiple small CADs
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>tfw you win so hard it feels bad

Played a game against my brother to test his Thousand Sons he recently bought, 930 points each. I played vanilla CSM. I trounced him handily, taking down a third of his army in the first round of shooting and doing enough damage in round two that he conceded. His psychic phase was fucking incredible though, wrecking two rhinos and half a squad of CSM.

Still, he was pretty upset. How do you handle someone who's butthurt over losing? We're usually good sportsmen, but I was kinda sad too because he'd spent so much cash on them and lost hard on his first try.
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>>50897306
We laugh it off and have a second game.
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>>50897300
ya know, i got a degree in english and i can't be bothered to capitalize words or use periods online
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>>50897306
Our local Necron player tryies to waacfag hard, but he is so bad that he always loses.

Me playing SoB and my friend with Orks try stupid list and see how silly or bad list we can make and still win.

Still trying to figure if it is possible to table Necrons by turn 3 with SoB or Orks. Right now turn 4 is my record.

TL:DR some people are just bad
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>>50897321
I use periods, commas, apostrophes, ellipses and linebreaks almost religiously.

That I tend to rely on guessing and feel as for what goes where is another matter entirely.
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>>50897337
Yeah.
I regularly trounce necrons, SW, GSC and daemons with thematic ork lists.
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>>50897391
i table warconvo all the time with my fluffy ork list
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>>50897205
Oh fuck no. Still overpriced shit with no strong offense. Fnp T5 doesn't help against Grav or 2+ rerolling cover plasma bikes or riptide/stormsurge shit.
They will do fine against casual lists
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>>50897224
>Re-enact
>Not putting on your armor, equipping your shield and weapon and then beating other armored guys senseless.
Do you even Buhurt bro?

Havent done it personally but few of my mates own armors and hobby it. It looks soo much fun.
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>>50897402
>not spamming t6 fnp oblits
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>>50897402
>FNP doesn't help vs. Plasma bikes
??
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>>50897402
>overpriced shit
So you're saying 16 points is too much for those T5, FNP+, Relentless, Long Range Stealth marines? How many points should they be exactly?
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>>50897427
They are T5. T4 + 1 from Mark of Nurgle.
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>>50897301
>>50897304
Thanks, that would work. I think I am too obsessed with the Demi-Company and forget the basic setup
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>>50897451
>STR4 AP5 pea shooters
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>>50896461
Do you ever look back on old models and wonder what the hell you were doing?

I've kept the left around as memory from when I was just starting, but it really is strange to see this guy, who I once thought was masterfully painted, as it really is. I started working on right a couple days ago, any tips?
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>>50897503
drill out your barrels
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>>50897495
>Not trusting the Bolter
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>>50896474
even though I suggested warhammer stuff to my parents, they got me some weird arcane legions boardgame, but practice is practice.
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>>50897427
>Not spamming T6 Biker/Spawn deathstars with Relentless Autocannon Havoc backup
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>>50897495
T5 fnp relentless heavy weapons platforms and objective holders.
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>>50897224
i'm a bit leery of doing reenactment after hearing about how one of the Perry Brothers sculptors lost his hand due to a gunpowder accident
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>>50897575
>not spamming t6 biker/spawn deathstars with FNP t5 obliterator backup
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>>50897590
Matchlocks are a hell of a thing.
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Are there any caveats to doing this I should know about?
https://youtu.be/mVZLXLaidjQ
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>>50897575
I would but the biker kits are so shit.

Having to buy them, cult conversion kits and a pound of sculpting polymer is a chore.
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>>50897590
Just stay away from the cannons and handgunners, and pray often.
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>>50897611
Ork Bikes
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>>50896474
Bought an imperial bastion for my IG. Got a $40 gift certificate to a local LGS so I'm not sure what to spend it on.
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>>50897604
i hope you like removing a lot of flash
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>>50897575
spawn dont get +1T
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>>50897655
yeah I don't really mind
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gonna start a Space wolves army, so what can I expect from it.

Kinda wanna know about things that maybe other teams can't get, and so on. Also its general play style and how OP / Shit it is
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>>50897663
yeh they do
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>>50897585
Dies to riptide
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Can I get some feedback and tips for my list? Want to bring something like this to a tourney in January. Store sadly doesn't allow unique characters below 1000 points so I unfortunately can't just run the Emperor's Champion or Grimaldus.

850 Points Space Marines
Chapter Tactics [Black Templars]

+ HQ +

Captain
·········Power Armour [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chapter Relic: The Burning Blade, Melta bombs]

+ Troops +

Crusader Squad
············Initiate [Chainsword] ×8
············Initiate (Heavy Weapon) [Power Weapon (Sword)]
............Land Raider Crusader [Extra armour, Multi-Melta]
............Neophyte [Chainsword] ×3
············Sword Brother [Bolt Pistol, Power Fist]

Crusader Squad ×2
············Initiate [Boltgun] ×4
············Initiate (Heavy Weapon)
················Missile Launcher [Flakk Missiles]
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>>50897703
Riptide dies to poisoned.
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Reposting from last thread :

Tyranid player here. One of my friends has a space wolves army and will soon add an Imperial Knight to it.

Any ideas on what nid units could help me to defeat that thing ? I don't want to take the knot.
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>>50897713
Anything with haywire, armourbane or s6+
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>>50897696
do they have VotLW?
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>>50897689
woof woof
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>>50897740
No. But they have Mark of Nurgle.
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>>50897740
Mark of nurgle gives +1 toughness, Veterans does this

GIFTS OF NURGLE
Units that have the Veterans of the Long War special rule have the Fearless and Feel No Pain special rules, but reduce their Initiative characteristic by 1. Typhus and units of Plague Marines are unaffected.
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>>50897740
why would that effect mark of nurgle?
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>>50897611
I'd just kitbash them from CSM/WHFB Chaos Knights and the lovely Putrid Blightkings (they are also great for Nurgle Termies). Bike kits are overpriced and the WHFB Chaos Warriors and Nurgle Mortals are one of the most beutiful miniatures produced by GW.
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>>50897713
Ally GSC
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>>50897772
Yeah.
I just already have a Ork army that's my conversion project, vas just hoping to work with stock CSM.
At most do a weapon/jump pack swap. For havok/raptors
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>>50897712
Anything with T can die to a bunch of Inquisitors with radium grenades.

I do not see the point of this
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>>50897306
>playing a lord of change, trying not to cheese it up
>5++
>peril and roll a 6
>3++
>roll a 10 on the warp storm
>2++ rerolling 1s, can't be hurt
>"That's bullshit anon"
DON'T BLAME ME
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This is basically my Dark Angels collection, excluding the odd HQ choice and a few extra terminators.

Everything is Wysiwg in the list, hence the plasma pistols.

Where would you suggest I expand? I think its a nice friendly little list, nothing tournament worthy though.
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>>50897791
>>50897734
Thank you, I will consider those options.
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>>50897712
Thing is, you're never to get a riptide into melee if the tau player has half a brain and it has weapons that are S7+
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>>50897911
the typical riptide loadout is SMS and the burst cannon. would suck balls against death guard, even with double firing riptide wing
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Is there a website where I can test out formations to see how effective they may be against varying targets?
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>>50897911
they're not that fast

>>50897959
mathhammer or shoot the shit here but remember that's just the average roll, you might end up with a game where you roll double 1s or 6s for warp storm each turn
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>>50897958
Double firing riptidewing with markerlight support (hits on 2+, ignores cover) and activated heavy12 rending shots would do umm.

72 shots
60 hits.
40 wounds, 10 rending.
13,3(+10) failed armor saves
15,333 dead marines after FNP.

Then SMS
24 shots
23.33 hits due twinlinked BS5
11.6666 wounds
3.888 failed armor saves
~2,6 dead marines after FNP.

So double tapping riptidewing pretty much kills a 5man squad per riptide.
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Am I insane for wanting to make assault chosen in a Dread Claw? I want to use a Claw with some kind of assault unit for my Night Lords because I'm apparently a masochist.
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>>50897958
This. You need to be running ion and stripping cover to kill Death Guard effectively and even then they still get their 5+, reroll 1s, FNP.
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>>50897829
Tzeench eye was upon thee champion of change.
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>>50898010
Yes. And yes you are.
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>>50897399
How ??
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>>50896461
Happy Birthday to me /tg/!!!
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>>50898001
That's disgusting.
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>>50898001
would also have a shit ton of gets hots and would take like 8 markerlights
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>>50897772
Not him, but thats a great idea, I have a squad of CSM torsos over after using the forge world kit.

Where is that helmet from though, greenstuff?
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>>50898055

Soooo

How should I arm the chosen? Would it be better to use regular CSM with CCW? Termies?
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>>50898170
No idea, I found the pic on google. Maybe the Raptors box set?
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>>50898152
8 markerlights is absolutely right. No wait. 10 actually. 3x2 for ignores cover x3, +2 to get first riptide to hit on 2+ and +1 for next two to hit on 2+.

But with drone network thats not actually hard at all.

Also 12 getshot rolls. 2 wounds. Less if there are spare markerlight hits and you can bump your BS into 6.
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>>50898122
>>50896474
>>50896553
>>50896873
>>50897503
Man I sure wish there was a way to disable notifications for replies to OP.
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>>50898152
Gets hot is pretty much irrelevant on something with a 2+ armour save
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>>50898186
Emperor Damnit anon I just wanted to say it was my birthday.
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>>50898183
honestly it wouldnt be worth spending markerlights on the marine squads. youd be using all of them on the bike deathstar. DG would be tough for a lot of tau lists since they get complacent and start spamming SMS + burst cannons and shit.
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>>50898122
Congratulations anon, may you have a long and prosperous life.
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>>50898187
no it isnt. theres a reason most of the time tau players use ripple fire instead, even with riptide wing. riptides with burst cannons can burn themselves down pretty bad
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<spoiler> just testing</spoiler>
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Space Marines are lame and so are the players that play them.
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>>50898214
>youd be using all of them on the bike deathstar.
What makes Nurgle bikers a deathstar?
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>>50898250
You failed your test, faggot
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>>50898254
>playing the Greek/Roman heroe archetype army is lame
2edgy4me
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>>50898260
them being t6 with fnp + rerolling 1's on the FNP + having psykers in it
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>>50896474
I got a faux fur coat, boots and a purse. In terms of 40k stuff I got nothing. However, I did order myself Catachans and a Leman Russ Executioner.
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>>50898260
T6, 5+fnp, the other benefits of the decurion, equally gifted but also buffed characters. Put a psyker in there and go wild.
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>>50898303
>purse
what are you, fuckin gay?
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>>50898320

That dude might be a chick.
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>>50898260
>>50898287
And potential stealth at 18" for even nastier Jinks.
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>>50898320
>not being a faggot
>on 4gay
Good one anon
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>>50898334
>a chick
>/tg/
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Am I wrong reading the rules, or can I really give up to 4 Heavy rock saws AND up to 4 demolition charges to a unit of 10 acolyte hybrids ? Because if so, it's party time.
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Just getting into the game, started with space marines, got everything assembled and now need to pick a chapter scheme, but I'm needing some help with it. Apparently I'm just a garbage painter. The hard edge highlighting is impossible for me, and the only thing I'm really good at is drybrushing. I've tried black templars but I can't highlight the black, and the white on the shoulders always looks blotched. I seem to have trouble using red, yellow and gold paints, as they never drybrush well, and even basecoating look blotchy or too thick. Any suggestions for a terrible painter?
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>>50898372
Yes. Its also 10 t3 5+ guys with 140pts worth of gear.
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>>50898345
we can cure you... we have the technology.
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>>50898380
Do what I did and go dark angels.
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>>50898380
do washes. for edge highlights use the sides of the brush rather then the tips. also try some layering. if you're trying to get a darker or richer colors then build them up
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>>50898386
>Points
Hah.
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>>50898422
I tried drybrushing a DA scheme on a model but ended up being really bright and looking more like a salamander
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>>50897713
A few Carnifexs should do.
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>>50898001
Only 10(+10) failed saves. And they reroll 1s on FNP. Ends up as about 12.2 and 2.37 unsaved wounds.
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>>50898380
I guess you could try Ultrasmurfs. I'm not sure how red you could manage to fuck up red, though. Anyway, drybrushing is fine, especially for black. Just get the base coat down, drybrush with a bit of grey, and for white paint thin layers of grey first, then thin layers of white on top of the grey. If you fuck up and get it on the black, it's as easy as painting over that spot with black again.

Also, try the Work In Progress thread. The 40k General is more related to 40k lore and gameplay.
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>>50897689
Helfrost guns are great. Thunderwolf Cavalry are also great. Wulfen are a goddamned abomination, with how killy and mobile they are--PLUS they buff other wolf units nearby. Wulfen can easily slay 2-4x their points in CC, & can be tough to kill even with shooting if they have TH/SS guys up front.

Wolves can shit out tables full of Dreadnoughts that have a 3+ invulnerable instead of guns, or have Frost Lasers or whatever.

Lots of special characters with high initiative & wacky special rules, some of whom just rampage out on their own.
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>>50898320
Huge fag.

>>50898334
No, that's ridiculous.

>>50898362
Those girls right? What a bunch of fags.
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>>50898386
Oh boy. Thanks for the confirmation, I'm not afraid to throw all of those points at them.
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>>50898001
Now compare the cost of all that vs the cost of the 5 marines they spent an entire turn killing.
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>>50898471
Please ignore the fuckups in that post while I quietly leave to rope myself.
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>>50898287
>>50898335
You can also just MSU them though. Death star isn't essential.
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>>50898469
Didnt only Plague Marines reroll FNP 1's? Nobodu playes plague marines when you get the about same dude with 8pts less.
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>>50898372
All it takes is one bad scatter of a Demo Charge to erase all that, lad. If you roll that, just go with the formation instead of the saws.
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>>50898471
There is no WIP thread atm

I'm thinking maybe minotaurs, it seems like they just drybrush bronze over the entire model except the gun and its casing.
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>>50898510
no its all of them
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>>50898510
nope, it's their detachment trait along with stealth if shot at from outside 18"
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>>50898372
>can I really give up to 4 Heavy rock saws AND up to 4 demolition charges

Two upgrades per five models. So a 10-man squad could have four Saws, or four Demo Charges, or two of each, or whatever.
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>>50898522
>There is no WIP thread atm
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>>50898498
i hear they might lose trooper Johnson and all 800 of his cousins that didn't already die in the previous fighting on cadia last time
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>>50898488

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>>50898490
You cant think like that. If riptides spend the game preventing you from getting objectives or assaults by killing your dudes, they are useful.
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>>50898498
Next week.
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>>50898498
Cross your fingers. I'm praying for a Guard vs Chaos box.
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Do yo guys think that Fall of Cadia will include new IG formations? Any thoughts on what they might be if we get them?
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>>50898723
And if 80 points of dudes kept 400 points busy for a round unable to take objectives THEY were useful.
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>>50896474
3 Magnus the Reds. I ain't even mad.
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>>50898755

Almost certainly and likely new models also. Well, the Basilisk needs an upgrade so I imagine if it gets a combo kit there'll be some formation where you take 3 Basilisks/Griffins/whatever else is in the box and get a bonus.
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Leia has died, guys. Just letting you know.
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>>50898755
I think this >>50898744
But if there's new formations, I want it to be focused on making the massed forces of the Guard good again.
Maybe something like Guardsmen are fearless if they are within 6 inches of another squad numbering at least 7 Guardsmen. Or units that remain stationary can fire an extra shot which can stack with the Rank and Fire rule to put even more lasers down range.
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>>50898800
good.
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>>50898800
Shhh, I'm fighting through man tears and trying not to drown in my coffee
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>>50898816
>>50898824

Now fight.
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>>50898800
>Just saw Rogue One yesterday and was so fucking hyped in the end.

This is a sad day :(.
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>>50898800
Meh, I was never really a Trekkie.
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>>50898833
But I forgot my fatality input code
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>>50898839
Well at least movie was not as bad as the force awaken.

I did enjoy the explanation for retarded Death Star weakness.
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>>50898790
I'd love it if they made the Armageddon pattern the standard Basilisk.

>>50898801
That'd be pretty sweet. I feel like fearless is bit much, but I'd love to see a reason to value platoons over vets. I mostly play gun line so anything at all for my meat shields would be of great benefit.
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>>50898723
Well sure. But the original calculation was blowing the hailstorm attack and a lot of markerlight support.

I don't think DG trump Tau by any means, but I think they can hang.
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>>50898875
>I did enjoy the explanation for retarded Death Star weakness.

What was it?
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>>50898880
Stubborn perhaps? At least that, coupled with a commissar nearby, would help a lot with the inevitable casualties.
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>>50898882
>hailstorm
Hailfire rather
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I have a new Space Marines player just getting into the game, and he's ordered a Solar Auxilia Storm Hammer. I can't seem to find anything saying it's a LoW option for Space Marines. But I could also be retarded.
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Real talk: why the fuck did whoever made the /tg/ Edition of Codex: Tyranids keep Cruddace's fucking stupid re-writes of Instinctive Behavior? It needlessly adds complexity & is still detrimental, featuring apex predators of the universe literally killing themselves instead of their enemies.

Why not skip rolling on the table altogether & just make it Leadership test that makes the unit move to assault, run for cover, or stand & shoot? Way easier & faster.

Fucking Cruddace KYS, Jesus.
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>>50898889
Engineer who was part of the project defected but was forced back. He secretly did a hidden weakness into the design.
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>>50898889
The heroine's dad, who designed the thing, deliberately faked being broken and resigned to a life helping the Imperials with the weapon so he could build in a weakness.
That also meant that his entire life's work was building the Death Star and then destroying it, which feels nice and poignant. I like it.
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>>50898936
>>50898940
>>50898946

Thanks Anons.
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Newfag here, looking at getting into the hobby, have been doing plastic models for a while but thought I would do some wargaming. I like the idea of imperial guard but all the formations and options and stuff are a bit overwhelming at first. Could anyone suggest maybe a 500 or 750 rough points list to help get me started?
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GET YOUR RETARDED STAR WARS SHIT OUT OF MY 40K THREAD REEEEE
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>>50898889
Same reason there'd so few guardrails and all essential system hagd off ledges, involve massive Electric discharges, has huge crushing pistons or are exposed to the elements.

Coercing the people that design your shit is retarded, In my head canon it' also the reason stormstoppers can't hit shit and their armour offers no protection from small arms fire.
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>>50898962
You want at least 1 vet squad per 2 guard squads
Command squad should take a medi pack
You'll want a lord commissar
Stormtroopers are essential, give them a metal box to wheel around in
Sentinels are often overlooked but can tear the shit out of an unprotected flank
If you can afford it, chuck in a Russ that's geared towards killing the enemy your likely to encounter
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>>50898962
Start Collecting box for both Guard (aka Astra Militarum) and Scions (aka Militarum Tempestus) are good. The units themselves are solid and they come with a "datasheet" that gives you bonuses if you use the units right out of the box.

Both of those boxes together would probably hit about 750.
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>>50898962
Two Start collecting boxes.
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>>50898946
>>50898936
well i dont need to see it now, thanks anon
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>>50898985
>command squad should take a medi pack
Meh. only if you take Plasma Guns, and even then you can get re-rolls so it's nbd.

5+ FNP doesn't matter when everything is S6 AP4 or better.
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>Go to GW Stoke on Trent
>Buy audiobook Master of the Hunt
>Bought because the blurb mentions DOOMRIDER
>Walk to local cinema around the back of Potteries Shopping Centre
>Cross road when lights allow us
>6 year old girl runs in front of me, crossing with her parents
>Child is ran over by 12 year old kid on a bicycle going full speed, ignoring the red light
>Child okay, but taken off in hospital
>Look at child as The Omen theme music plays in my head

I think meme magic is real people
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Could a Commissar be brainwashed by genestealer hypnosis? I'm thinking about adding a guard allied detachment to my genestealer cultists but not sure how to justify the fluff of using a commissar for the HQ choice.
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>>50898969
Carrie Fisher is dead, anon, and Rogue One was trash. Give time for mourning, anon
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I can barely paint and started with Skitarii. How awful are these going to turn out?
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>>50898999
Checked, and I always take the medi pack because I've been fucked by snipers
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>>50899017
I suppose it depends on your meta, much like everything else.
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>>50899014
Just watch Duncan and it'll be okay. I'd start with Vanguard, they're very easy, although the walkers are very good to start on. Practice on bits you won't use, though, it'll make your technique better when you start working on the real stuff
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>>50899012
2016 feels like the Fall of Cadia. People die in Cadia last year and will keep on dying next year.

One more soul to the call
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>>50899014
I sympathise, I did exactly the same thing a few months ago. You'll balls up the first few, but you get the hang of it. Not to say I don't suck, but I think I'm up to tabletop standard.
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>>50899037
A fair point
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>>50899014
Make sure you greenstuff the cloaks together.
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Why don't Deathwatch have veteran scout squads?
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>>50898996
Hey, we deployed spoilers. Your fault.
Was actually quite good, actually decent emotional scenes and stuff and Stormtroopers who fight like my Skitarii, as usual. As soon as named characters come into view, -2 BS.
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>>50898978
>and their armour offers no protection from small arms fire

This is common to pretty much everyone in the setting. Blasters are so powerful that only the heaviest of armour can protect against them, and even then, only for a couple of shots. Stormtrooper armour isn't all that different from Flak in 40k - it's intended to deflect shrapnel and glancing hits from slugthrowers, and giving them heavier gear isn't cost-effective when you need to armour so many troops.
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>>50899011
Yes, any human can be. The only reason Genestealers don't do it with Astartes is that they don't breed, so it's straight to KILLKILL with them.

Go ahead & make your Cult Commissar, anon.
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>>50899050
But 2016 has been great friend. Who cares how many screen-people have fallen? Their whole life is playing pretend anyways. Plastic sisters, Custodes, GSC, Deathwatch, Traitor Legions, Magnus, and more makes this year a-okay to me.

We aren't holding the line, we're breaking the enemies.
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>>50898962
Generic but playable
http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/printPreview.html?modeFilter=normal
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>>50899111
*enemy's
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>>50899014
https://youtu.be/vLsteSBHEcM

You can skip the any highlighting steps that seem too fiddly or difficult. Just thin your paints and take your time and it will turn out fine.
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>>50899077
I guess they don't need Scouts.

Or the inquisitors do that for them.
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>>50899111
Like radiation, nature's gift that keeps on giving. It is niether good or bad. It just depends how you use it.

From glow in the dark things to nukes.
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>>50899077
Early DW were just kill teams, only sent out once the Inquisitor needed to blow the place to hell, similar to what GK do in their fluff. That's been changing, but I guess the stigma hasn't dropped entirely just yet.
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>>50899146
I'm glad SOMEONE isn't terrified of the stuff. It's just like fire, you can purge heretics with it. I kind of want to get a whole bunch of Skitarii armed with Irrad Cleansers and count-as them as some kind of deepstrike flamer squad, since I could use one. Any suggestions for appropriate units to use the rules of? Preferably with a low ally tax.

(I do think we need more IRL nuclear power, people are unusually scared of radiation compared to stuff like coal explosions and oil spills).
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>>50896910
LAN is one unit of three biovores, I'm pretty sure. There's an FAQ for it somewhere that clarifies.
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>>50898969

40K would likely not even exist without SW though
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>>50899199
Old Inquisition squads with flamers in Valkyrie so you can deepstrike.
Oh and the Inquisito that you can give him Radition thingy grenades
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>>50899260
Old 40k is based off of 2000AD, not star wars.
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>>50899260
Isnt 40k based on older shit like Foundation and Dune. Algo with Heavy Metal comics. Yes I do remember the Jedi Inquisitor. But the main inspiration where those other stuff.
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Excuse me, where can I find the WIP thread?
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>>50899260
(((star wars))) is literally garbage
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Whats the chance of skitarii being units in dawn of war 3?
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>>50899330
I could spoonfeed you, but then you'll never learn.

Ctrl+F is your friend. There is one. Go find it.
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>>50899330
Last one reached the post limit looks like. Just sit tight, dude, there should be a new one soon enough.
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>>50899298

I suppose that explains a few conventions like the Baneblade then.

Though I thought a brutal pro-Human, galaxy spanning state bent on conquest, with a logistic train so complex it's rank and file are outfitted with simplistic and largely unimpressive equipment, was an aspect copied from Star Wars?
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>>50899384
Thank you.
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>>50899376
Absolutely 0. Plus dawn of war 3 is going to be shit.
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>>50898916
Because /tg/ designing by committee was a horrible idea.

My rewrite of Nids condensed the IB sub-types from Lurk/Hunt/Feed down to Lurk/Kill and replaced rolling on the table with a table based on the margin of failure for the leadership test, so that you only needed to roll the one time and check the result, and higher leadership bugs were more likely to end up with the less drastic results even if they failed..
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>>50899376
Given that Dawn of War has never been about "INCLUDE ALL THE ARMIES" and always leaves someone out, I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Army Builder won't let me put the warbuggies in a squadron of 5, so I had to list them separately.

Also, the warbuggies have twin-linked rokkits, but again, Army Builder wouldn't allow it.

Warboss and Painboy join the unit of Nobz.

Feedback appreciated.
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>>50899400
>>50899410
Im asking since they just recently got their own codex. Would be nice to see them even if it was just a vanguard unit
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>>50899407
Keep talking dude
We have yet to see anything related to your "rebalancing" "effort"...
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>>50899394
>what is the Galactic Padishah Empire
The Imperium resembles Dune more than that Star Wars shit. To the point that the Dune Galactic Empire is literally called the "Imperium" throughout the books. It involves many houses that run themselves in differing ways despite all being loyal to the Emperor (kinda' sounds like something, dun it?) and they even had a war against thinking machines and forsake advanced AI.
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Lads, I've finally managed to get my fiancée into the hobby. She wants to start playing 40k. She spent the past hour gushing over how great Slannesh daemons look and how cool it's going to be to paint them. She wants to go to our local GW to get her free Marine and learn to play. All it took was a trip to my former FLGS where they had a display of daemons and Sigmarines and shit. She says she's torn between DEldar and Slannesh Daemons, but loved my new Celestine. Any advice I should give her beyond thinning paints?
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>>50899481
That's because I'm putting it on hold until 8th edition so it isn't immediately rendered obsolete.
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2017 marks the 30th anniversary of the Warhammer 40,000 setting, and to celebrate, we have the best narrative in 40k history, which will set the scene for the next 30 years of the setting.

It fucking better
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>>50899498
Turn her away from the shadowed paths of the Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons.

She must become a pure Sister of Battle.
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>>50899498

I'm just getting started with my GF as well. My advice would be to paint with her so she can see what's going on and how you are doing it.

Also tell her to go with Deldar because slannesh isn't really supported anymore unless she is really into kink and likes the breasts.
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>>50899520
She likes wings, mate. It's all I could do to keep her from AoS, the darkest path of them all.
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>>50899520
>that priest in the corner
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>>50899498
dark eldar have an almost fully plastic line
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>>50899527
She likes the kink and the breasts. She was disappointed by the lack of piercings.
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>>50899530
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Got a Devastator squad for the holidays along with some Blood Angel stuff to start out. Should I build them for the BA's or my existing Salamander army? I dont' have many heavy supports for the green dudes just a vindicator

TLDR are devastators better in Blood Angels or Salamanders if I'm not using cheese
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>>50899500
Who knows maybe roundtree and friends will actually fix the game with eighth?
FAT FUCKING CHANCE AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>50899533
>that priest in the corner looks nothing like the one in my picture. Thought you ought to know**
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>>50899260
No. Not at all. 40k is first and foremost WHFB in space, and WHFB is most definitely not influenced by star wars. And while there are many different settings that helped influence 40k, star wars was definitely not one of them
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>>50899550
The thing he's carrying looks like the thing that guy's carrying.
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>>50899546
Salamanders and Flamers go hand in hand. So throw in Heavy Flamers.
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>>50899542

Deldar have tons of peircings. She would probably really like the whyches set because of all the customization options and the amount of ladies in the squad. Start her out with that and go from there once she finishes.

Also me and my gf are into kink and I was thinking of creating a few bondage whyches out of green stuff just to see how good they look.
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>>50899562
Only Sternguard and LotD can take heavy flamers.

And BA tac squads.

Who the fuck knows WHY, but there is a specific restriction listed...
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>>50899542
>She likes the kink and the breasts. She was disappointed by the lack of piercings.
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>>50899560
It only has a skull in it and some prayer papers. The AoS dude has a skeleton with a sword etc.
It's a bullshit comparison
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>>50899562
>devs
>heavy flamers
I fucking wish.
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>>50899498
>>50899530
>>50899542
If that's true, I'd say Deldar. Scourges can have wings, and will probably offer a bit more variety compared to Daemonettes. Heck, could potentially even do a neat conversion with Celestine and Deldar bits for a mega-scourge character type thing.
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>>50899394
>>50899496
More on that, beyond 40k copying a war against thinking machines/AI and banning their use while replacing them with biological agents that do those jobs in their place, the term "lasgun" is featured throughout Dune in reference to laser weapons. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where GW got their own laser-weapon name from.

On top of that, the Imperium of both 40k and Dune is a highly religious organization, something that doesn't feature into Star Wars at all.
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>>50899571
>>50899574
Well fuck, you're right.
Looks like I've been cheating for years and nobody noticed.
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>>50899005
DOOOOOMRIDEEEER
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Why are all the pictures on 1d4chan 404'd?
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>>50899599
Immigrants did it
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>>50899592
Eh, nobody cares. heavy flamers aren't exactly OP and it really makes no sense why they aren't allowed to carry them.
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>>50899549
On the bright side, if they fail utterly to fix the game, it opens up a window of opportunity where the community will be more accepting of an alternative ruleset, so the project might actually gain some serious momentum.

If they can at least fix the core rules though, it will make my life a hell of a lot easier. I would much rather just rewrite the Codices.
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>>50899592
>Looks like I've been cheating for years and nobody noticed.
If nobody cares enough to call you put and you didn't know, then who gives a fuck? Just get your opponents permission next time or just don't take it.
Not like heavy flamers are game changing. And it's a rather stupid restriction anyways.
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>>50899527
Dark Eldar and Sisters of Battle have all that. Along with old Slannessh

Go for raging heroes for maximum pin up potencial. So you can have all 3 in resin but with no man faces of GW
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>>50899612
>>50899623
I get the feeling my opponents wouldn't care. Not one of us plays to win, we prefer the fun side of things. Fluff builds etc.
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>>50896461

Fall of Cadia wish list time

> compete rewrite of the rules getting rid of most of the special rules
>new rules for every army list coming out simultaneously
>one or two new units or characters for each major faction
>actual narrative progress
>box sets that don't have space marines as one of the armies

Fuck am I asking for too much?
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>>50899653
I think what you meant was "Gathering Storm wishlist time".

There's absolutely no way they're doing all that with just the first installment.
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>>50899653
Yes, you really are.

Box set will be black templars vs chaos.
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>>50899653
That's asking to break the entire current meta for the sake of your faction.
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>>50899653
>one or two new units or characters for each major faction

>actual narrative progress

These could happen, everything else will wait till 8th. This is NOT the launching of 8th edition.
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>>50899653
literally none of those things will happen
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>>50899619
What makes you and your butt buddies more qualified to rewrite everything while ignoring /tg/ expect to suck your collective dicks?
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>>50899549
That comes down to codex balance though, not the core rules.
The BRB is for the most part fine, as shown by 30k, it's the fact that you have stuff like orks and stuff like eldar that's the real problem.
In a perfect world 8th removes the unnecessary bloat while adding a bit more complexity for better opportunities to actually employ tactics and strategies, and fixes assault and vehicles.
And then every codex is given the internal balance of craftworld eldar, the fluffy and powerful formations and rules of C:SM, and the customizability of a codex that has great customizability.
But unfortunately, this world is far from perfect. But GW is definitely trying, so we might get at least an attempt at that.
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Hey, how is the Pyromancy discipline against MEQ and TEQ? How is it in general?
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>>50899672

Fuck that they have so many god damn space marine box sets and they all pretty much have the same fucking units and it's never vanalia marines so you cant add them to your own personal chapter.

Every single fucking box set this year was marines
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>>50899653
>Fall of Cadia wish list time
>Rewrite of some rules while streamlining units**
>New rules for each regiment**
>One new character for each regiment**
>Actual narrative progress
>Starter box set that at least has Guard in it**

More realistic.
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>>50899653
Not only are you asking for far too much, almost all of those requests are shit.

>>50899721
>Every single fucking box set this year was marines
>the protagonist faction of the setting gets a lot of stuff
Who would have thought?
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>>50899724

Why would each Cadian regiment need separate rules?
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>>50899747

>gets a lot of stuff
>gets everything

There's a difference anon, honestly it just seems like the GW writers are too lazy to do a xenos vs xenos box set.
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>>50899751
Each GUARD regiment.

Cadians, catachans, tallarn, valhallan, tanith, mordians, praetorians, steel legion, krieg and whatever the fuck else they've made minis for before.
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>>50899714
>primaris
A heavy flamer. Meh.

>Fiery form
basically a waste of warp charges. Other disciplines make invulns easier and better.

>Fire Shield
Dudes should already be in cover. Shouldn't rely on psychic powers to save them.

Should've been a Dangerous Terrain-causing power that didn't need to target a friendly unit.

Other powers are all decently killy.
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SoB starter box in plastic. Please.
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I told you something was fucky

Magnus preview incoming
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I want to play Blood Angels but I think that Space Wolves utterly outclass them in every way. They get CCWs at +2 PPM and TWC and Wulfen are just flat out better than anything Blood Angels can bring.

I try to tell myself that STR 5 and IN 5 on the charge will do more damage before Wolves can hit back but there's nothing in my army that can stop the TWC rape train from plowing through everything I have on the board.

Someone tell me why you'd choose Blood Angels over Space Wolves.
I like the look and storyline and play style of Blood Angels more than Space Vikings but their rules are just flat out inferior.

TLDR; Play Blood Angels or Space Wolves?
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>>50899790
isn't that the khorne guy
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>>50899790
That's the shield.
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>>50899706
Professionalism, literacy, competence in the fields of game design and mathematics, but mostly the fact that we're putting in the effort to actually do it. Not that I need to prove any of this because the final product will speak for itself.

You seem angry that you're left out of the process. If you actually have things to contribute I'll be doing another recruitment push after 8th launches when I reinitiate the project.
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>>50899809
Yeah, but they don't match up perfectly. It's a different pose.
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>>50899792
Furry faggots vs. Vampire faggots, fucking hard to decide. Play Black Templars.
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>>50899765

Why would each guard regiment take part in the Cadian campaign? Do you think GW is going to include and involve each Guard army? It's more likely they'll create and sell separate campaigns dedicated to each specific regiment.

Let's be real here, there's going to be a Warzone: Armageddon campaign in 2017/2018 with the steel legion rules. The same will apply to Catachan and Tallarn specific rules.
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>>50899792
As a blood Angels player i want to tell you to play Blood Angels for the fluff its the only reason i play them. But im not sure i can do that if you have already decided that we are inferior and if you want to actually win you should play Space wolves. Also always choose team edward over team jacob.
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>>50899811
the shield looks nothing like that you fucking trogg
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>>50899835
Nobody said they would. But anon was talking about overhauling guard units, not just cadia.
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>>50899821
Bring SoB or Orks to Eldar levels but without losing the soul of the army.

Go!
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>>50899846
Alt pose/shield.
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>>50899811
thats the front of the custodes grav tank
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>>50899847
I want my space cossaks dammit don't you dare get me hyped just to crush me down.
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>>50899821
Eh, im not fond of elitists or elitism in general
The community will certainly speak for themselves if you give them something and they dont like it so we will wait and see
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>>50899760
>There's a difference anon, honestly it just seems like the GW writers are too lazy to do a xenos vs xenos box set.
First of all they have released xeno vs xeno box sets. Secondly it's not laziness, it's truly just that marines are both the protagonists of the setting and often times the best ones to put in a box set.
>all the horus heresy stuff
Who are they supposed to do but marines?
>deathwatch overkill
GSC are really only a threat to the imperium, and it makes the most sense for deathwatch to fight them
>battle for vendros
Why would GW not release a starter set with marines? That's both long standing tradition and arguably the most appealing to newcomers. Orks vs marines is a classic.
>kill team
once again, starter set. Also, most other factions don't really have a problem woth the tau, so it wouldn't make sense to have anyone else fight them
>CoTW and WoM
Who are the 1k sons supposed to be mad at but the yiffs?
I could go on, but I think I've made my point. It's just how the setting works.
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>>50899864
I'm going to be casting a small Mordian force soon.
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>>50899527
>slaanesh isn't supported
>triggered

but we just got those made to order slaanesh models. i'd be hurt considering my daemons are 80% slaanesh and i just got those infamous daemonettes
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>>50899828
>>50899857
>Alternate pose

What, a fucking picasso pose?
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>>50899837
There is no question that being able to rapid fire, overwatch, and still get +1 attack in an assault is better.
Don't even get me started on the Hunt/Kill table of cheese.
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>>50899880
speaking of made to order why are all the made to order space marine stuff absolute shit?
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Xth for Fires of Cyraxus when?!
Ave Omnissiah
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>>50899890
i wish they wouldn't beat off the wolf dick while leaving us daddy issused vampires in the mud
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>>50899721
>>50899747
>>50899760
>>50899724

Hey, don't forget the rest of the non-marine non-ally tier imperial factions that haven't had a release, like my Admech, and..... actually that's about it. I don't even play any other armies that aren't Admech and a little bit of Inquisition, Xenos need new toys.

Give Cawl good rules, nice FW toys in IA14 and a few more units, like a Skitarii flamer squad, a transport with a few fire points, a flyer that can drop in Skitarii like Valks, or just Admeched Valks, and then eventually a combined codex and I'm happy, and it looks like most of that stuff is happening.

Admech vs. Guard box set? With Chimeras that can be made into an Admech vehicle as well with an upgrade sprue, and then just Xenos stuff that isn't Tau. Not sure how you'd fluff loyal Guard vs loyal Admech, though, and I can't see GW making the guard traitors or the DarkMech models at the moment.

>>50899902
Bit late, tech-brother, but I agree with the sentiment.
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>>50899892
probably all the molds they could find. All the rogue trader and 2nd ed shit ia probably lost forever
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>>50899562
yeah so devs cant take heavy flamers the question still stands I feel as though theyd suit my salamanders more as id likely not have any units staying back with an assault army. Is this a fair point?
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>>50899904
Space Wolves are always good because they are Phil Kelly's army. You think he's going to gimp himself?
Say what you will about Ward but at least he liked us.
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Got some scions for xmas. Are they worth taking with volleyguns?

Or just throw melta/plasma on them and use as suicide squads?

Running then in an IG list.
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>>50899921
Could go with Multi-melta devs. Might need a drop pod or transport in order to get them close though.
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Does anyone know the dimensions of the Primus Redoubt Bunker itself?

I am considering to get the board and cutting the bunker out, so I can use it on any table and to have more freedom when placing it in my deployment zone.
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Anywhere I can find this book?
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>>50899922
this is why codexes need more than one main author like it shouldn't cost that much to higher a group of 5-10 different people per book. make sure they don't have any outstanding bias and then throw them into a area where they can play test and share ideas.
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>>50899921
It is. Although, Devs with Space Wolves (for example) can lay down some decent fire while you move your assaulters forward. Risk it for a biscuit and bring heavy bolters and plasma canons.
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>>50899944
http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/january/carcharadons-red-tithe-ebook.html
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>>50896474
Got a leviathan a nifty new wet pallet, tools, something to watch whilest I paint and of course, socks
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>>50899949
>this is why codexes need more than one main author like it shouldn't cost that much to higher a group of 5-10 different people per book.
>wanting rules by committee
No thank you. That would be even worse than what we have now.
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>>50899944
Sorry, no idea. But that cover art is fucking atrocious.
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>>50898498
Curze is coming back as a Demon Primarch acting as Prophet of the 8th Legion
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>>50899944
>Space Sharks vs Night Lords

>on a prison world.

Nice.
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>>50899943
probably a 2x2 like all the FW stuff
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>>50899976
Stop forcing it or nobody is going to believe it. It's like you don't know how to meme
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Which Chaos God would be best for a Sorcerer+Demonic steed?

Also, is there any reason not to go Mastery Level 3 if you've got the points? I mostly see Mastery Level 2 with a few weapon upgrades instead, but I'm not sure why.
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>>50899581
Sick. I recommended Harlequin and Sisters since I've already got a small Sisters army from way back when but she isn't into armor and thinks the models are ugly. I think she's going to go with some Slannesh Daemons with hot girl cultists and maybe some ECs if the Daemon Fulgrim looks cool. She likes the glam metal look and the half naked hot evil bitches, but hasn't really seen much DEldar since the store we were at didn't have any painted models.

She thought Hesperax was hot though, if a bit vanilla. That's been her big complaint with the ladies, that they're kinda vanilla and boring or have bad faces. I told her that if she wants to make them more to her standards, no one would complain.

She also said that Glam Metal Space Woofs would be cool. I didn't really know how to take it, but I kinda agree. I might make a squad of KISS Woofs, or maybe Van Halen Woofs. That could be a fun conversion if I made them noise marines.
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>>50899914
SoB, Dark Eldar and Orks are waiting.

Hell the Cadian plastic kit is almost a decade old

Which adds insult to the injury to SoB models
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>>50900000
Quads confirm that NL spam needs to stop.
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>>50900000
checked
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>>50900015
>Quads

Anon, three year olds aren't allowed on this board.
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>>50900000
holy shit that number
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>>50899892
a lot of things don't age well, my SoB look terrible compared to these Diaz daemonettes
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>>50899969
So whats the best fucking way then? No rules at all? Make em up as you fucking go along?
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>>50899944
iBooks
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>>50900000
checking the truth
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>>50900000
>900000
Confirmed.
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>>50900005
SoB are getting new stuff, that's why I didn't include them. Orks and Deldar are both Xenos last I checked.

Cadian kit is atrocious, though. Got a squad to make into Inquisition chumps and it was a real pain, especially that mouldline right on the earmuff bump on the helmets.
I just want my army list to be fleshed out a bit so I can stop allying in Inq Chimerae and Coteaz and praying for first turn every game.
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>>50899969
The hell do you want then? Single authors writing the entire codex? That has gone great so far look at the difference between the nids and the eldar.
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Anyone ever use Game Plus carrying foam? I'm thinking about getting some half off.
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>>50900025
Oh fuck.
I should really know that 5 repeating digits are quints, seeing as I took latin for 8 years.
I've failed my magister. Soduku is my only option.
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Hey, im new to this whole thing but when you make a homebrew chapter can you:
Use it in games workshop or local tournaments? Or do you need to make official marines?
Does the homebrew chapter need to be successors of a known legion, or can they have unkown origins?

Reason im asking is because i love the flesh tearers scheme but theyre too cqc for me. If i could find a way to make them bolter using i would. Iron lords is similar but just doesnt cut it.

Pls help.
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>>50900044
>>50900074
One person writing the rules, but with forced play testing, making sure the person actually like and understands the army their writing, and someone who actually knows how to write a good book, like Ward, overseeing it all.
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>>50899949
I want them to release free beta versions of the rules to their fans. We test them then they use our feedback to tweak balance. I'd even be cool if they made an app that has the complete rules and stats and shit and they use codexes to primarily house fluff, painting tips, and such. Keep crunch and fluff separate so they can both thrive.
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>>50900094
So long as you make it clear which rules you're using, I doubt anyone gives a fuck.
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>>50896474
I got a rhino from my local stores secret santa
A razorback from one of my employees
And I got my daughter a AOS starter box, so I get the sigmarines and she gets the heretics.

Considering the only vehicle I had was a lone drop pod I cant complain, i was given shit I actually needed.
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>>50900070
Sadly as far as we know for sure only Vyridian, Celestian and her two twin girls. That's it.

The pictures of the book with models that included SoB only had the old metal models and Celestin.

Like always unless you can put on some drunk college girl's ass a plastic SoB model there isn't going to be new stuff. Decade of rumours with totally legit next date kind of makes you doubtful of anything.
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>>50900074

The resident expert thinks Tyranids are in a good place though anon
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>>50898391
Oh that's funny.
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>>50899696
When did the rumours say 8th was coming? Was it March?
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2 Eversor Assassins or a squad of Custodes?
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>>50900128
I've seen everything from March to May.
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>>50900094
You can make up whatever color scheme, name, symbols, etc. you want. The important thing is that you do have to use one of the listed Chapter Tactics. Whether or not they're successors of that group or just ended up with a similar fighting style doesn't really matter either, just as long as you make it clear.
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>>50899422
I'd love to play against it, but holy shit good luck building that many goddamn vehicles.
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>>50900000
>And with those quads, he never spammed Curze shit again
He lied to himself
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>>50900000
Meme magic have spoken, may the curze shitposting be stopped now!.
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>>50899926
Suicide squads all the way. T3 4+ is really not durable, just looks cool.
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>>50900003
That's fair. She may need to end up doing some conversions to get stuff as extreme as she likes. Maybe look into some 3rd party models, or possibly Tyranid bits if she wants more weird stuff.
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>>50900117
Well, good luck getting new stuff, but if that's all that's in FoC then bad luck. I still want a full army list, just throwing us the leftover bones of the Guard (that we armed) would be fine.
Sisters at least have solid casual rules, the games between me and the local Sisters player have always been damn close.
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>>50900159
ERM quints
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>>50900094
Flesh Tearers have regular tactical squads, they just happen to also be good in assault.
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>>50900117
>Sisters will be squatted!
Nope

>Sisters will never get new models!
Nope

>Sisters wil never get PLASTIC models!
Nope

>Sisters will never get MORE plastic models!

Gee I wonder what will happen?
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>>50900174
Any suggestions? Someone said raging heroes, but it looks like they're more IG than SoB, DEldar, or Slannesh.
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Hi all. New to the game and building an Ork army. I know they aren't doing to good in the current edition but I'm too in love with the fluff to give em up. Just wanting to know if footslogging is at least ok right now (heard a lot about how mechanized is a lot better). I'm fine with not winning all that much (if at all) but I would like to avoid having all of my forces gunned down before I even have a chance to actually play. If so I'll invest in bikes and transports
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>>50899653
Learn to bait faggot
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>>50898755
I'm betting on a Black Templars decurion in FoC.
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So after picking up a Start Collecting Skitarii list, I was considering picking up one of these bad boys. I know I'll end up building for a War Convocation, but I'd like to play with the other units a bit too, I think. The priests might be interesting with the possible 3++ FNP. And I love Kastelans. Plus, I get a unit of Kataphron and an Ironstrider in there as well.

Is this deal worth it?
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Question.
Imperial Guard Armoured Fist Formation. All Units within 6 inches of the Russ get a +4 cover save.
Do we need to be behind it, or can I stand 6 inches in front of it and get a magic +4 bubble?
And does it only benefit units taken to form the formation, or anyone that moves to within 6 inches of it? Because you could easily blob 40 Guardsmen onto it.
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>>50900192
Raging Heroes just had a kickstarter for SoB, Deldar, and Slaanesh models, though I think the latter two were called void elves or lust elves or something.

I don't think those are up for general sale though, so they're probably still in production or something.
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>>50900175
I do not care about the rules for SoB they can stay the same. I just want plastic models for fuck sake.

I'm tired of going for third party stuff. Mostly because I dislike working with mono pose metal for an entire army.

Even my Retribution terrorist elves get annoying really fast
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>>50900211
>Do we need to be behind it, or can I stand 6 inches in front of it and get a magic +4 bubble?

My understanding of the rule is you can be anywhere within 6 inches,so you can be in front of it if you chose.

The real question is why the fuck do you want to put your guys in front of the tank? Use the tank as moving cover man
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>>50900201

You cannot have a decurion in a force organiaztion chart you silly goose.
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>>50900224
Any other 3rd parties she should know of?
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>>50900192
>Someone said raging heroes, but it looks like they're more IG
You're looking for Lust Elves. Part of their upcoming stuff in TGG2.
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>>50900234
>why the fuck do you want to put your guys in front of the tank
More guns facing forward basically

>Use the tank as moving cover man
If I can blob it up with extra lasguns, there's no real reason. It's a nice big "LOOK HERE AND IGNORE THE REST OF MY ARMY" unit.
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>>50900192
Wargame exclusive has more pin up and lewl models. As Brother Vinnil too. Those are from the top of my head

I use vinnil prisoners of war as Psykers. I need thier minds not their hands!
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>>50900241
Kingdom Death.
>>
best weapons to give a 5man havoc squad?
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>>50900254
aka the DISTRACTION CARNIFEX
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>>50900250
Those models look like complete shit. Like holy fuck, just awful.
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>>50900275
Pretty much, but more shooty.
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>>50900271
4 Autocannons
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>>50900254
Well, it only grants cover to the formation, so it's only the 10 man squad that gets cover. The formation isn't great unless it's a small game.

Now if the formation granted cover to any allied unit if you took that formation, then we'd be talking about a great idea.
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>>50900193
>Just wanting to know if footslogging is at least ok right now (heard a lot about how mechanized is a lot better)
Unless your running something like green tide, it's probably a good idea to use transports. Luckily orks have some really good transports for the price they pay, and the ork transports are a great opportunity to kitbash and just let your imagination run wild.
Have fun with them anon.
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>>50900202
It'd be a good step towards a war convo. That and the Start collecting mean you'll only need a knight, another box of Sicarians, and some more Kataphrons to fill everything out. Plus imo the boops are an autoinclude, they'll take a hell-load of gunfire and all kitted out can deal some nasty amounts of damage

I'll never rest till I get a straight answer though, can a Datasmith with a stasis field go to ground? And if so, what happens to the Kastellans?
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>>50900096
Single people writing rules with extreme playtesting seems like a decent idea but im not exactly sure with how much creep they would need to do just so that people don't throw away the game now that they can't table someone within 2 turns.Now we need to figure out if balancing up or down is the better option
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>raging heroes
My dick just ordered a new commissar
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>>50899889
They're probably butt mad because people already figured out what miniature is the one they are releasing and are merely pretending it isn't.
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>>50900299
Well it could at least provide cover for the guys up front. It could be useful as a moving shooty wall as mentioned above. But even in a bigger game, something like this could swing a flank with a bit of luck.
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>>50900277
The Lust Elves are intended to be crazy over the top.
>>
Wonder how long it will be before someone "hot glues" the new SoB models.
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>>50900201
Im hoping for

>Black Templar decurion
>Vows for the Emperor's champion
>Relics
>A chaplain conclave formation so I can field all the chaplains.

Plastic kits would be nice too but Im not expecting them.
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>>50900348
>crazy over the top
Seems like male hating cheese cake to me
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>>50900348
Those look awful too.
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>>50900292
really? hm thanks
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>>50900202
Even ignoring the electro priests entirely it's a discount off retail.
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>>50900347
Yeah it's not a terrible idea, especially if the squad gives the Leman Russ a cover as well. Giving the Leman camo netting and the squad going to ground, you could have a 4+ for the LR and a 3+ for the squad. A nice objective holder.
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>>50900271
Great, now a bunch of sperglords are going to kill 3 threads arguing autocannons vs lascannons.

Which is stupid because the correct answer is missile launchers.
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>>50900331
Wargameexclusive in case you want more lewl. Not much of my liking. The Inquisitors are rather cool

In a pin up sense cool
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>>50900320
And a box of Rangers. But yeah, I'm with you on the Kastelans. If anything they're a super durable meatshield for the rest of the squishies in the Convo to do their job.

I think the Kastelans are unaffected? I don't thin k MCs can go to ground. But you're right, I have no idea. Because if so, that's an easy way to soak some nasty shots from the robots. And I mean, if it didn't work, why would you be allowed to take it?
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>>50900327
>Single people writing rules with extreme playtesting seems like a decent idea but im not exactly sure with how much creep they would need to do just so that people don't throw away the game now that they can't table someone within 2 turns.
What they need to do it take the best aspects of the top teir codexes and apply it to every single codex. As for people who would throw the game away because they can't table people by turn 2, who gives a fuck? They are the absolute worst kinds of players, and they rightfully recive scorn from everyone. If they leave, then that's great. 40k doesn't need dicks like them.
>Now we need to figure out if balancing up or down is the better option
Up. Definitely up. Balancing up gives more special rules, formations that allow you to play fluffy armies and do well, more options for customization of your units, and generally more fun. I would even assert that 40k should add FoC modifications like 30k rites of wars in addition to formations, as they would function like slightly less powerful but more fluid formations.
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>>50900374
>Leman camo netting
I hadn't thought of that.
I'm sold.
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>>50900376
Do want
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>>50900250
I found my grotesques
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>>50900277
Why?
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>>50900365
Yup. Flexible and effective. Just buy packs of em off FW.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-Autocannon-Set-2015
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Kalibrax-Pattern-Autocannon-Set
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>>50900438
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Kalibrax-Pattern-Autocannon-Set
ah nice thanks :D
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>>50900428
Ridiculously awful poses and overly complex design.
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>>50900394
Even though i agree with you i feel like it would cause some of the problems we have now to become worse. As troop choices are already lacking on the table top and are pretty much a tax unit at this point it will probably shove them entirely lower on the flag pole.
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>>50896461

Meme magic
>>50900494
No more Curze shitposting
>>50900494
New miniatures when?
>>50900494
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>>50900425
Have some Wracks
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>>50900472
>As troop choices are already lacking on the table top and are pretty much a tax unit at this point it will probably shove them entirely lower on the flag pole.
That's only an issue with poor internal balance. Balancing up would allow troop choices to be improved, like actually making tacs worth taking by actually making them feel like elite veterans who could kill basically anything else in the game like chaos warriors in WHFB: expensive but deadly, or giving orks more options and making mob rule good to make boyz right an proppa killy.
And if vehicles were also improved that would do a whole lot for troops.
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WE ARE THE GODS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
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>>50900550
Time to expand the pain circus.
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>>50900685
Who is this fine ass semen daemonette?
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>>50900685
Everytime I see this reaction pic all I can think of is just "I need to cum inside her"
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>>50900375
Missile Launchers are inherently less lucky than autocannons and lascannons, and will miss more often
>>
>>50899976
Would just that be that guy from ADBs novel or something?
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>>50900136
custodes

golden boys are always the answer.
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