Pathfinder General /pfg/

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Is there room for a Bard (Negotiator) from Druma interested in viniculture, cattle and the production of fine textiles?

>>50889853
Sounds comfy, anon, but is he cute?

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>>50889935

>but is he cute?

I've got some ideas, but I'm all ears if you've got some cute pictures that could work for a comfy growth-oriented landowner!

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>>50889981
Paul Mounet was pretty hot.

>>50890083
Neo?

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>>50890083
>>50890133
I can't unsee it anymore

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>>50890083

Paul Mounet *is* pretty hot, but I was thinking of using character art!

Let's give advice to the big name folks.

Alister, Diana, Di, and Kurat.

What about their applications do you hate? What do you like? What criteria do you generally rate it on?

Oh my god is this going to happen every time someone posts a game that's never going to get run?

>>50890207
Once the big name ones choose players or get canceled people will become jaded enough not to care.

Though honestly we ARE talking about the setting. It's better when it isn't a lewd game so we don't talk about fetishes as much.

>>50890194
I want feedback, give it to me, how do I become a better imouto?

>>50890239
>It's better when it isn't a lewd game so we don't talk about fetishes as much.
I don't believe you.

>>50890251
Start off by calling him Aniki.

>>50890194
Shouldn't NOT the big names be the ones that need advice?

>>50890267

The fetishes were kind of fun though.

>>50890251
>>50890279
the words are"assface" or"monkeybutt" or "creep"

>>50890294
No, you stop that right now.

>>50890289
The big names don't actually get any advice, just memes shouted at them. No one gets much if any advice.

>>50890289
This.

Let's talk about how Solid Snake needs to DEDICATE to their gimmick. They need to go all out with it, have an attendant named Otakarn who loves tian drawings, makes balloons to steal enemy soldiers, and demands we buy him a base in the middle of the ocean for no reason.

>>50890294
No they weren't. Get your shit and go.

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>>50890194
What makes them the big name folks?

>>50890279
>>50890311
Formally he's "Brother", informally he's "Al". I still haven't decided on how to insult him when he gets out of line. I'm considering "dire pig" if he gets gross.

>>50890349
Wining the vote.

Diana was 1st
Alister was 2nd
Di and Kurat were tied for 3rd

>>50890327
We can do what was done before. Roll on a list, excluding 2hu and Staypuft.

>>50890349
People remember they exist. That's pretty big here.

>>50890327
>What are you doing?
>Trying to stick this in my head
>That's... that's jagged shrapnel?
>Yup.
>WTF?
>You think we should adopt a dog?
>OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU

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>>50890368
So the vote decides who gets into the game?

Doesn't that mean 2hu just barely gets into the game?

>>50890386
Why would you assume the DM would listen to /pfg/s vote? Not that there's anything wrong with 2hu anyways.

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>>50890368
>We can do what was done before. Roll on a list, excluding 2hu and Staypuft.
Why exclude 2hu and Staypuft?

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>>50890194
>>50890368
>getting Alastor's name wrong
The poor man has been completely eclipsed by his sister.

>>50890405
Because they want to be jerks and bully people..

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>>50890379
>And this is my attendant who meows
>Yeah, that's all he does.
>And this dude missing half his limbs.
>He's gonna be really helpful.
>You think we could invite some nearly naked chick by to shoot things?
>...
>...you know, I wasn't with you before, but I can get on board here.

>>50890414
most applicants have been completely eclipsed

Rolled 1 (1d15)

We'll all pick apart the character we roll. I'll reply to this post with their sheet and their backstory in a pastebin.

1. Di, the Fox of Fort Ramgate
2. Helvisia Talan, Knight of Molthune
3. "One-Eyed" Jack Thompson
4. Sir Emeric Silva, Owl Knight
5. Sir Adalbern Sigurdsson
6. Elio Scutari
7. Sir Darius of Wydwood
8. Sir Kurat Maar
9. Len Gleamgaze, the Halfling Lord
10. Lady Chara Teswind
11. Alastor 'Twiceborn' Vales
12. Diana Blutham, the Huntress
13. Prince Aeron Bastion the Third
14. Maximus Brightblade, The Scarlet Skirmisher
15. Lady Liviana Montanari of Molthune

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>>50890429
>excluding 2hu and Staypuft

Please no bully.

Rolled 15 (1d15)

let's see.

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>>50890429
Looks like it's time to talk about fluffy tails!

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>>50890429
Name: Di, the Fox of Fort Ramgate
Race: Kitsune (Yokai)
Class: Unchained Rogue (Hidden Blade/Kitsune Trickster)
Age: 68
Alignment: Lawful Neutral

>Character Sheet
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1046463

>Back Story
http://pastebin.com/BbAdLfVd

Pic related is her character art.

>>50890462
One thing I am confused about is the following:
>is 68
>doesn't seem to have age penalties

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>>50890083
>>50890133
>>50890151
'Tis merely Lord Johnathan Wick

Coincidentally, this is how I Slayer

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>>50890462
You excluded 2hu and Staypuft, you big bully.

>>50890504
How can you improve upon a min maxed shota trap wizard? How the fuck do you build upon perfection?

>>50890529
Custom made character art.

>>50890504
>>50890529
This, 2hu's character is perfect, no need to include him.

Meanwhile Staypuft seems like a legitimate troll and is beyond saving otherwise.

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>>50890529
>>50890544
>>50890548
You can improve backstory!

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>>50890544

>mfw you'll never have an artist in your group
>mfw they'll never draw the party

>>50890557
That would require me to read the backstory of posters here. I've better things to do with my time like drink myself to death.

>>50890481
Yokai Kitsune don't take aging penalties until they're... 200? 300? Somewhere around there. She's practically a babby.

>>50890462
Di should have a cuter personality, as is I'm afraid she won't let Diana brush her fur and that bothers me deeply.

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>>50890561
Drawthread is a start, it's where I got mine.(Still waiting to see if anybody wants to color it)

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>>50890564
If you don't want to read backstory, then you'll never give good feedback.

Read Di's backstory, read 2hu's too, and then give some feedback. Be excellent to each other!

>>50890598
>drawthread is a start

now that I think about it, I should probably go see if the drawthread who did mine was actually done with it or not
and weep because I now get to realize I'll never actually use it in a game

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Alright, so we have games in Cheliax, Varisia-into-TianXia, Molthune, and previously /pfg/ memed about a Land of the Linnorm Kings game ages back.

What are some other locales in the Golarion/MainPF setting you would love to go on adventures in?

Because I have nothing to do right now, and a copy of the ISWG in front of me, so if anyone wants info for potential campagins in different regions, I may be able to look stuff up and give info on potential campaign stuff.

As for me personally, I wouldn't terribly mind if I were to someday be in a Thornkeep game

>>50890616
Well of course, that's why I don't give feedback. I just whine about the posts instead.

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>>50889853

>Druman
>Not Galt
>Not learning the beauty of HON

>>50890635
drawfriend, even, fug

>>50890446
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1051046
and
http://pastebin.com/CEaGnR1w

Well, at first glance this is the least heavy-handed lesbians-made-kids I've ever read related to pathfinder. It's not even detailed.

The story doesn't seem too nasty - there's far less comfy up there - and is somewhat more reasonable given it's existing nobles trying to get themselves acknowledged.

The character has 24 skill points, which is odd given 10 int and 4+INT with background (background is 2/lv isn't it?). There's one or two other character sheets in the list with abnormal skill numbers. Otherwise it seems mechanically sound; a sphere skald is relatively straightforward and not too weak or too powerful.

Seem normal enough.

>>50890646
Taldor and Brevoy would be the next ones. Kingmaker doesn't count as Brevoy because it's barely in there.

>>50890462
So here is some criticism. Her life seems to have about 50 years of dicking around. Nothing really happens in those 50 years, she's commander of the irregulars, but there are no characters or connections there, just the name,

>>50890598
marry her maybe, but coloring forget it; I draw like doctors handwrite.

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>>50890646

>Brevoy Campaign
>Glory of Taldor Campaign
>Blanda Upp in Sargava
>Magical Romp through the River Kingdoms as mercenaries and later conquerors
>Help Roland Drumpf get elected in Andoran. Make Andoran Great Again (MAGA!)

Rolled 15 (1d15)

>>50890429
will do one. just one. I'm bored but not that bored.

>>50890557
Well, there's one common thread people keep bringing up about the backstory. Most of it is so dark and uncomfy. It sure gets comfy at the end but a lot of people think the rest of it is too heavy.

Maybe some good advice would be to lighten the rest of it up, no need to go that hard on the horrors of war aspect.

Also, maybe he should minmax so fucking much, that might help too.

>>50889853
>viniculture
last I checked, Drumans follow incredibly strict dietary restrictions that would make Jews and Mormons blush

Rolled 6 (1d15)

did I do this right?

>>50890672
>Nothing really happens in those 50 years, she's commander of the irregulars, but there are no characters or connections there, just the name,

Adding to this as an observer, but people really don't appreciate just how much can happen in a single year, let alone 10 or in this case 50.

Throwing numbers at the screen may seem like a good way to make your character seem old, but most people don't do a lot to emphasize just how packed those years are.

>>50890656
So I can't really see a reason she was given a village. She "finished with distinction", she needs a bit more than that. Especially as a former Nirmathan.

>>50890646
>Because I have nothing to do right now, and a copy of the ISWG in front of me, so if anyone wants info for potential campagins in different regions, I may be able to look stuff up and give info on potential campaign stuff.

Give us a dump on Brevoy!

Tell us what makes that kingdom tick and why we should give a heck about it.

Rolled 8 (1d17)

If I roll myself I'll spend an hour contemplating ways to improve my character.

>>50890686
I'd be a little interested in un-fucking Galt, but the "JE SUIS MONTE!"-friends can be awful.

>>50890728
Let's examine the other old character's backstory. Contrast the two in that regard.

http://pastebin.com/Z0gQzdW4

It's Kurat's, the old spy.

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>>50890598
I got bored, decided to have a bit of fun and gave up.

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>>50890686
>>50890668
>>50890747
>Brevoy
Alright, I'm gonna get to those pages, read up on them and post a brief lore synopses on the place.

This may take a while to type up, but I hope ya'll get yourself ready for Kurwa and Shashka Twirling
https://youtu.be/Xi6wL2uRfsY

>>50890656
(4 (skald) +2 (background) +1 (human) +1 (fcb)) x3 =24 skill points

The kids were for having a noble line without having to work a husband in and/or having Liviana tied down due to pregnancy. >>50890739
I figured that Molthune would want everyone with legitimate title that they can get, considering the socio-political situation. Any suggestions for making her claim/reward stronger?

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>>50890768
You should've told me, I have a transparent version which is what I've got up on the drawthread.

Need help /pfg/ Regarding Sphere's of Power I thought I saw something written that let you cast a spell while concentrating on another. (Something you normally can't do in Pathfinder) It's not "easy focus", that just lets you concentrate as a move action. I searched the PDF but I can't find it, am I missing it or just misremembering?

>>50890809
Nope, too late. Gave up. It was literally just mspaint with the bucket tool. Fun distraction, though.

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>>50890785
>but I hope ya'll get yourself ready for Kurwa and Shashka Twirling

>mfw Brevoy is one bullshit excuse and gestalt away from letting us make Witchers

>>50890672
>>50890728
I know, I know, but I was afraid that I would be making it too long if I started detailing things. It was a broad strokes thing. I'm a bit pressed for time, but I'm trying to sit down and work on it.

>>50890727
>>50890429
Elio Scutari: Character Sheet:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1047144

Bio Copypaste:
http://pastebin.com/hyDvzr8g

It's kinda short. Noble boy grows up, becomes a squire then knight, doesn't participate in the war. No big heroics that would justify earning any kind of land and title so his family having a village doesn't make any sense. He doesn't mechanically get any powers from the land, so that part doesn't make sense either. Way, way too young to be level 3 and no waifu potential.

>>50890792
sorry, the "not even detailed" was in reference to the "how that was done" beyond "transmutation, done".

It was actually meant as a compliment.

Since Kurat's children are around the same age as most of the PCs would it be reasonable to marry them to join the families? His eldest and heir is unmarried.

>>50890857

Maybe you should give her an excuse to leave the military? What's stopping Di from falling for a man and deciding to spend a decade or two as a wife, working logistics and as a boot camp instructor while raising the kids!

10-15 years in active service, 20 years as a mom/drill instructor, and then the Molthune government comes to her door and gives her the whole, "you've done us a great service" speech that ends with an offer of knighthood.

>>50890887
>would it be reasonable to marry them to join the families?

That's been a suggested strategy since Kitsune Matriarch, anon.

If you give your character a lot of children than you could easily custom-tailor some as marriage bait.

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>>50890646
I'm somewhat partial to Osirion myself, but a Hold of Belkzen, Irrisen, or even Realm of the Mammoth Lords campaign could be nice.

Alternatively, you could do a campaign at sea, sailing toward Arcadia for glory, the gods, and gold!

>>50890832
What you want is http://www.dropdeadstudios.com/spheres-of-power-eratta/ 4th one down.

>>50890908
No I mean a PC marry one of their children. Not marrying children off to each other.

>>50890918
>No I mean a PC marry one of their children.

That's... That's what I was saying, anon. If your PC has a lot of children at the start of the campaign, than you could use those children as marriage bait for other PCs.

>>50890934
Do any characters have marriage bait kids currently?

>>50890909
>glory, gods, and gold exploration campaign
That sounds great! Can it be set during the height of Taldor?

>>50890915
Ah! I knew I saw it somewhere, thanks!

>>50890952
>Do any characters have marriage bait kids currently?

Have you missed the entire threads of us gushing over Kurat's snowflake daughter?

>>50890963
That depends, did Taldor have a Virginia Company analog?

>>50890889
It's a possibility, but I was trying to get across that she was incredibly dedicated to the Irregulars.

Maybe they should boot her for refusing promotion too many times? She retreats to the middle of nowhere, they come to try and tempt her back into service.

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Didn't the Molthune GM say he DIDN'T want players designing their families in such a way as to get benefits out of it?

https://app.roll20.net/forum/permalink/4403007/

>Family stays at home. You can have them if you want but they should stay some place safe. Dont have any more family then the number of followers you will have. You wont be starting in grand palaces so they will packed if you have a lot of them. You also cannot use them as followers. They will just be fluff pieces, I wont even consider them to have levels so dont try anything funny with them.

>>50890993
Bunny outfit kitsune?

>>50890989

What, and then a Molthune officer in full regalia rides up to her log cabin in the woods and confronts her while Di's chopping firewood?

>Dammit Di, you were the best, and your country needs you one last time!

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So let's say I want to start off my campaign with a festival full of things for my Level 2 characters to test their skills at in a competitive sense, what would you all suggest as fun, productive feeling activities that they can participate in that will also show off what they can do to the townsfolk?

I'm only aware as of yet about what a couple of the characters are going to be, so I'd like as many ideas as possible to cover my bases.

>>50890686
You can't unfuck galt, it's a land of eternal revolution driven by the faceless pharaoh.

>>50891017
And she refuses, but chases him down when she sees a picture of herself with the Irregulars, reminding her of her duty to her country.

It's cliche as fuck, but probably better than what I've got right now. Doesn't quite feel comfy though, I'm gonna think.

>>50890993

>Dont have any more family then the number of followers you will have.
>You also cannot use them as followers.

Huh?

>>50891077

Want me to give you comfy?

Same scenario, but instead of the Molthune officer giving her one last mission (to be a knight in a far-off land) it turns out her secluded log cabin is right next to the village she was being requisitioned.

The officer in this case is riding to her house to tell her, "hey, see those lights down there? You own them now. Get to work."

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>>50890697
>Most of it is so dark and uncomfy. It sure gets comfy at the end but a lot of people think the rest of it is too heavy.
But doesn't a dark and uncomfy start make it even sweeter and comfier when hope washes all the darkness away?

>>50891101
Is that Maki and Nico?

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>>50891097
>>50891077

It also means with your added knightly incomes you could upgrade your log cabin into the comfiest mountainside home this side of the Inner Sea.

>>50890983
>snowflake daughter?
wait who?

>>50891097
>>50891116
>/pfg/ rebuilds my character
It's happening again.

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>>50890809
Gimme a color pallet/scheme. I might take a crack at it

>>50891101
I think the shift makes for a sweet end to a tragic story. But this is a backstory, a beginning, not the character's whole story.

I don't really mind 2hu or the character, I'm just mentioning the complaints people have had for his backstory.

Actually I do mind the character, but it's not for backstory reasons.

>>50891141

It's a terrible curse, I'm bereft of original ideas but I can give good ones to existing characters.

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>>50891146
Well this is the reference in terms of skin/hair/eye colors. For what she's wearing I was thinking some nice national colors, red and white. Though the quiver would be a leafy green, ideally.

>>50891150
>I think the shift makes for a sweet end to a tragic story. But this is a backstory, a beginning, not the character's whole story.
That's the point though. The backstory's just one chapter of his life, he has a whole new one ahead!

>>50891180
cute, despite having three donuts on her head

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Has anyone made a big titty anime ladyknight yet?

>>50891249
Not yet, you should be the first.

>>50891222
My thoughts exactly, that's why I used it as a reference but asked for no donuts.

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>>50891249

Why does she have to be anime?

Why can't she just be a dutiful lady-knight that just so happens to have huge tits? Or maybe even a barbarian!

>>50891249
There's some various breast sized middle aged women knights but there's only one young one

>>50891287
That barbarian looks pretty anime, anon. Just saying.

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>>50891249
Why does Japan like armored limbs and unarmored torsos?

>>50891333
Something something cute something something torso being better to accessorize easily something something limbs being easier to give armor to.

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>>50885794
How many of the Molthune characters are nobles because of inheritance/last will, and how many are nobles because they got awarded knighthood?

>>50891331

Yeah but her proportions are nice and I'm actually digging an anime character without huge bug eyes or no nose.

>>50891053
Anyone want to help a brother out?

>>50890869
Well, more constructive would be appreciated since I'd rather it not suck, but I at least have to defend myself on two aspects:

1) land can be inherited, and nobility does that kind of thing a little better than gaining a farmstead.

2) Nation-pact Avowed literally has their pact abilities given to them by their country itself, and not in a political manner either.

Do any of you bard players make up battle songs for your or anything for that matter?

Would it be possible to play a Trox for Molthune Knights if I start at level 2? I am actually really set on the idea of giant bugman who tills fields at night so people will eventually talk to him, with the end goal of starting alien Outer Heaven.

>>50891369

Childhood is when you idolize knighthood. Adulthood is when you realize inheritance makes more sense.

>>50891393

Why don't you ask the DM in the roll20 advertisement?

>>50891369
Diana earned her lands like a proper young noble lady should. Through the untimely death of her parents.

>>50890869
>21
>too young to be level 3
You what?

>>50891369
Old Spy earned it through four decades of faithful service and also a series of threats/favors/etc.

>>50891423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRJk02gfQc

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>>50891369
Alastor won his land like a real knight, using shadow magic to trick stupid soldiers.

>Like a hero

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>>50891423

How in over her head is Diana by campaign start? Come on, tell us! Tell us!

>>50891433
It's a bit young.

You know who's really too young? 2hu! A 1st level half-elf wizard should be at LEAST 23.

>>50891458
>It's a bit young.
Not really.

There are teenaged thugs in modules that are fucking level 2.

>>50891369
Elio's family has land, but his father is still in great health so he himself is hoping to start a branch family somewhere instead.

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>>50891456
I have no idea what you're talking about, Alastor got lands of his own and if he can handle it then it should be all too easy for Diana.

>>50890646
I'm partial to Ustalav, so long as we stay out of Thrushmoor--I'm real tired of tentacles, cultists, and unpronounceable gods, I'd rather chase some skulking murderer around Caliphas or try to survive against a zombie horde for a night.

>>50891418
Apathy, mostly. Also phoneposting.

>>50891488
Speaking of characters who know each other, Elio and Alastor almost certainly know each other through their service.

>>50891493
Alastor nearly lost his life to gain his land, hope Diana doesn't need lazy big bro's help to manage her own.

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>>50891493
>I have no idea what you're talking about, Alastor got lands of his own and if he can handle it then it should be all too easy for Diana.

Oh please, you're going to be pounding on his door begging for help by the dawn of the third day.

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>>50891369
Can we have an official tally on this?

>>50891433
>>50891458
sheet and app page both say 23.

I assume avowed was self-taught rather than intuitive, and got a 4 but I'll admit I'd remembered half-elves as 17+ rather than 20 (I added a year per level up).

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>>50891458
>>50891485
2hu's character is exactly at age of adulthood for half-elves. The rules for young characters don't apply, he automatically gets to use adult rules.

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>mfw I want to slip under the radar for Molthune Knights
>mfw whispers in the wind of a Brevoy campaign
>mfw if I apply for one I probably couldn't get into the other

Fuck.

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>>50891522
>>50891533
If anybody's going to need help it's Alastor, and Diana will gladly oblige. Of course, it's only fair that he lend a hand in exchange, not that she'll need it or anything.

>>50891533
Why not to go to someone with more experience. Alastor needs a firm hand and Diana a stern advisor. Old Spy would be good for both of them to have on call.

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What if I just made a generic ZS/OD Dwarf Warder, not he was just a soldier who did his job and didn't really care. Maybe sooner or later he just found out his lord died and he was the only one available to do whatever needed to be done.

Literally just "some normie has to pick up the slack" the character.

>>50891553
>Random Starting Ages: Intuitive (21-26), Self-Taught (22-32), Trained (23-38)
Not to mention that he graduated and enlisted at 14.

>>50891580
And 2hu's shota should die alone.

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>>50891573

Yeah. Sure. Keep thinking that, kid.

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>>50891573
As long as Diana doesn't send a letter to their father whenever Alastor does something that 'disgraces the family name', he might be willing to help out...maybe.

>>50891605
Half-elves age as humans do until they're like 15, then aging slows down.

>>50891605
Yes, because literally anyone gives a fuck about the age of a character.

>>50891580
>tfw Kurat wakes up at 2am to a sending
>again
>Alastor somehow set his stables on fire
>Diana can't decide on the room arrangement for guests she's hosting
>Kurat's 2 year old wakes up and starts crying
Suffering.

>>50891522
They may have met if Alastor ever traveled near Backar. Elio's knight kept him from the front lines, but he's probably eaten from every forest in Molthune.

>>50891675
That forest is half the country, anyone that's ever been south of the capital will have been near Backar.

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>>50891653
Please, Alastor would have never set the stables on fire...

>Alastor set his room on fire with alchemy shit
>Blames identity he just made up
>Uses shadows to create a fake arsonist in the attempt to fool Old Scout

>Guy's got 8 wisdom, it seemed like a solid plan

>StayPuft fundamentally misinterpreting rules
>"MARTIAL POWERS ARE BULLSHIT"

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I'm not a pedophile guys.

Honest. This is a nonlewd game. This is just how old level 3 dragons are, okay?

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>>50891180
Yeah I dunno what I'm doing.

>>50891732
hey that's getting pretty cute

>>50891726

That's a believable level 3 silver dragon, actually. Just change the hair color.

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>>50891643
WE do, if it's the matter of shota vs non-shota!

>>50891716
>Old spy are 18 int/16 wis
Yeah, not gonna be hard to figure that one out.

>>50891753

Shota is pedophilia, anon.

You wouldn't gloat about fucking Val Baine, would you?

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>>50891726
3hd dragon would be what, a hatchling?
While I don't recall any of them having human forms that early, yeah, that looks like a 3-4 year old kid. I can almost hear my niece asking me if she looks pretty like this, about two, two and a half minutes max before there's BBQ sauce on the front and bikechain grease on the skirt, even though she never left the living-room.

... we JUST did the laundry.

>>50891822
Your niece sounds adorable, anon!

>>50891755
>Look Kurat, it was the shadow man who did it.
>The Shadow Man. The man that no one but you has ever seen. The man who has never existed before now. The man who you're currently attempting to conjure.
>...yes.
>And you want me to chase him into the woods?
>...HE'S GETTING AWAY, MAN!

>>50891726
I didn't think the True Dragon class was even playable in most games, is the GM really allowing it?

>>50891822

>While I don't recall any of them having human forms that early, yeah

Silver dragons get polymorph as hatchlings.

They're the only dragon type that gets it right out of the egg.

>all these younger knights
>old spy is the hobgoblin equivalent of 60
>raised 15 kids
>all the youngin's going to him when they fuck up
It would be a nice interaction. Heck, Di is the yokai kitsune equivalent of a teenager.

>Staypuft on suicide watch

>>50891830
>bluff rolls a 20
>sense motive rolls a 1
>... The shadow man?... no. The Shadow! I've heard of that man; he who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men! Quickly! We absolutely must speak to him! The man is a legend!

>>50891732
Are you sure, anon? Because that looks pretty good to me so far.

>>50891857
we don't really have to look.

>>50891860
The possible interactions between Alastor and Old Spy are enough to make me totally 180 on him.

I seriously hope Di tries to act mature but just pals around with the rest of the kids.

>>50891852
>"I'm too old for this."

>>50891830
>>50891860
>Alastor gets dragged along chasing "The Shadow" a supposedly dead nemesis of Kurat back in his younger days
>Alastor realizes it's 2am the follow night
>He and Kurat are on their bellies covered in mud and leaves overlooking a valley
>"I've tracked The Shadow to here, we'll stake this out for the next few days or so."
>Alastor desperately tries to conjure something to get him out of stake out duty

>>50891848
... I kinda wanna raise her and teach her to bring back fowl I zap down, but that would probably be insulting to the kid.

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I'm going to try to start up a new Roll20 /pfg/ game. It'll be a planehopping game!

But first, what setting should it be? Vote now!

http://www.strawpoll.me/11963788

>old hobgoblin international man of mystery lecher ends up Team Dad

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Which Golarion language corresponds with Latin? Jistka? I want to shout DEUS VULT at people.

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>>50891745
Will do.

>>50891822
It's wyrmling, by DSP's rules.

>>50891848
This, thank god. They get change shape much earlier than everyone else.

>>50891935
She would actually like this. "A hunt! How invigorating! Humans and dragons are not so different after all!"

>>50891924
>Old Spy and Alastor bond over stories about the Shadow
>The two have a father son moment
>Three months later Alastor lets it slip that the Shadow wasn't real
>Alastor on latrine duty for next week.

>>50891935

Insulting? Silvers at that age are assigned to be the page or squire of a knight, which means doing anything they ask!

>game concept
>begins at level 3
>every player must be a criminal in some manner, a criminal terrible enough to warrant removal from society
>players start out having been teleported to a prison colony
>prison colony is the domain of a Void Wendigo, who acts as the warden in exchange for a steady supply of prisoners to consume and torment
>the colony is a massive number of vessels (since they are magical they range from floating castles, actual spaceships, islands, featureless orbs) floating in the void
>Void Wendigos because they attack vessels that go by collect these massive barges of ship graveyards
>it's somewhere out beyond the edge of the Aucturn, the Stranger
>players have to participate in gang politics, numerous cell blocks infighting, avoiding the void wendigo, tribal like cultures, weird pockets of people trying to be civilized, the strange ecology that's developed, and more

>>50891953
Azlanti, it was the language of Aroden afterall

>>50891959

Are you making an adorable young silver dragon?

Because oh my god I have a concept I need to do with you.

We Dunk and Egg now, only Egg is *literally* a dragon.

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>>50891959
I kinda like this. It's fairly comfy.
also; pic related in the bio

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>>50891973
no... you don't understand... I was picturing something a little...

>>50891959
>having a fun hunt with a cute little dragon girl
Alright, I have a new favorite that I want to see get in besides big bro.

>>50891974
Holy shit.

Yes.

>Kurat ends up the surrogate father for half the party
>still bones Di/Diana/every other female party member in sight

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>>50892003
Oh god.

Yes. Yes, perhaps...

>>50892005
This is what happens when you put an effectively 14 year old girl in charge of a noble house. She's actually not bad at it, to her credit.

>>50892036
She will be Medium at 6th level. They grow up so fast.

>>50890418
I find it hard to believe 2hu is capable of actively bullying people.

>>50892096
>>50891959
Where are these sprites from?

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>>50892088
yeah no.

>tfw I make characters that are never memed
>tfw they get in anyway

It's a hollow victory, it's hollow and I don't like it.

>>50892099
I thought I wasn't capable of that, but tonight was bad with the family, and now I'm arguing with StayPuft.

Things don't turn out how you expect.

>>50890651
HON will get you executed.

>>50892109
If it makes you feel any better DHB is autistic about not wanting to ERP.

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>>50892106
Those image names are pixiv IDs, anongsk.

>>50892128
Uh, does that make someone autistic now? Am I autistic then?

>>50892151
Depends on the type of session. If you make an ERP game and then deny anyone the opportunity to be E then I think that qualifies.

>>50892151
No, DHB is autistic because he has bad at realizing when he is giving off rapey vibes, and the detail he puts into stuff like:
>caravan routes (he planned one out)
>inventories (he made a massive 'four man shopping' list which had everything down to corded mallets)
>families (has all his kid's ages/sexes/marriage statuses/alignments)

It's an ok kind of autism because he's willing to listen to people.

>>50892179
Does every player have to participate in the ERP?

>>50892096

Perhaps...?

Heck, Dunk's backstory works for the comfy as-is! I'm phoneposting in bed so I can't try to work out the details with you now, but I'll post some stuff for my guy tomorrow and, if you're up, we could totally work something out!

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>>50892195
Sure, sure! PM me on Roll20 tomorrow and we'll do the thing.

>>50892193
No, it's just fun to bully the trip. No one shat on all the other 100% not fetish characters either(at least not for being not erotic)

>>50892003

>Dunk and Egg

What's the gist of that story? I'm intrigued to hear how a dragon fits into it.

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>>50891940
Let's go with Golarion.

Elemental Planes represent, how best do I Enhancement Shaman?

>>50892151
I imagine most people here are located somewhere on the spectrum, though many of us are probably somewhat functional outside our homes

>>50891959
Elio would probably enjoy teaching that, although that might do a number on the rivers when we're fishing.

It's the magical "lowers food requirements" kind of polymorph I hope?

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So, should I post the Lore Dump on Brevoy now, or wait until next thread?

>>50892301
Do it now!

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>>50892277
There's probably a reason she runs a cattle farm, Anon.

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So let me get this straight.

This Molthune GM wants to take a country with a MILITARY OLIGARCHY locked in a bloody, grueling war with a land of ruthless guerilla bandits.

And then use that for a "comfy" game and demand that all characters be comfy.

What's the fucking point? Why not set the game somewhere peaceful?

>>50892348
There is no peace to be found in Golarion, only despair.

>>50892348
Muh knights
Muh honor
Muh comfy memes

I don't get it either.

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>Kurwa Lore Dump 1/6?

>Brevoy, Struggle Between Feuding Noble Hoses Thrones Yeah, Game of Thrones Yeah!
>Music to listen to https://youtu.be/pgSVmRQ8wGc
Note all this is from only the ISWG, so I could be missing stuff.

>Major religions,
Abadar, Gorum, and Pharasma primarily, with the last one most beloved and worshipped by the commonfolk and whose clerics most serve as midwives, healers, and morticians. There are also many people who still preserve the “Old Ways” of nature worship, and many people in Issia make sacrifices and worship weird and bizarre things, some even worshipping something within the Lake of Mists and Viels that claims to be the True Master of Brevoy.

>Rough History
Brevoy is a cold, harsh, and unforgiving land, just likes its people. The soil is almost always frozen, fishing can only be done is the incredibly short spring and summer, and nearly every noble is a greedy prick who spends his time holed up in his stronghold, eyeing his neighbor’s lands. Brevoy is divided into two halfs, Issia to the north, and Rostland to the south. Issians are insular and enigmatic, and usually practive weird rituals and traditions, while Rostlanders are outgoing and welcoming, but super obsessed with “Muh Honor” and “Muh Standing”, and will take offence to the most minor slight against them, often resulting in the offender either being carted to the magistrate, or forced into a duel for their honor on the spot. They are honestly kinda crazy and hotheaded, but super loyal if you can earn said loyalty.
For Thousands of years House Surtova ruled Issia, a house of cunning pirates and scoundrels who raided across the Lake of Mists and Veils, and most of Issia was ruled through cunning and the fact that they tend to rely on the Lake and Piracy to survive. This place is cold, brutal, and the natives here don’t play nice with others.

>>50892348
Because crushing disorganized rebel incursions with your superior military is comfy.

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>>50892348
Juxtaposition.

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>>50892348
It's probably the most comfy knightplace in Golarion.

>>50892370
Game of fuckin' Thrones, Game of fuckin' Thrones, Game of fuckin' Thrones...

>>50892348
well, that's the way paizo puts it, complete with "and the chaotic good people who now live in a small anarchy that will ultimately be unsustainable good thing time never moves along in this" spunky CG rebels fighting against The Man.

But if you look closely at the country, it has far better human rights (including for slaves; and slavery IS an important economic factor that has not disappeared today; we're just unlucky enough that the owners realized that owning us meant they had to be responsible and keep us from starving or they'd look bad to their other richass friends) and conditions than many other countries, and is actively offering very good incentives as it attempts to grow INTO the territory it's carved out.

Any kingdom generally begins with a military campaign. There are many chances to make it good; it's just that right now some of it is described as utterly dispicable because that is literally the devs view of lawful.

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>2/7?

Rostland meanwhile was settled and colonized by Taldan Explorers under the leadership of Baron Sirian First, who was an impulsive dick who fled to Brevoy after losing too many duels in Taldor. The small colony was quickly assaulted and taken over by a Bandit Lord from the River Kingdoms who was a master swordsman, who challenged Sirian to a Duel, with the wager of the Bandit’s Head vs half the Baron’s fortune. Baron whupped and humiliated, paid the ransom, and fled to another land, leaving the Bandit Lord to take the place over. Fast forward several years and Sirian returns back, calling himself Sirian Aldori, a as a complete BAMF, challenges the bandit lord to a rematch, and defeats him almost instantly. After reestablishing his rule, Baron Aldori issued a challenge to anyone willing to face it for a reward of 100K gold: they had to beat him 1v1 in a sword fight.

Thousands of men answered the call of challenge, and not a single one could beat him, and so Baron Aldori was proclaimed as the greatest swordsman in the world. Eventually, Aldori passed his techniques on to a small group of pupils, made them swear to an oath of secrecy and to take the name Aldori, and vow never to pass on the techniques to anyone not of the Sword-Pact. Thus the Aldori Swordlords were born.

Then, in 4499 AR, a badass Warlord from Iobaria named Choral Rogarvia, or Choral the Conquerer pimped right into the region with a huge army of Iobarians and an allegiance of a slew of Red Dragons and took the whole area over. House Surtova surrendered essentially immediately, and Issia was spared destruction, as the Surtovans decided to instead gain political power and worm their way into favor with Choral.

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>>50892434
>3/7?

Rostland, on the otherhand refused to bow to the barbarian horde and the Swordlords, and attempted to fight against them. Their lands were heavily ravaged for their troubles, and the Swordlords were nuked with Dragon Fire until they surrendered. Choral then united and welded the formally separated and vastly different nations of Issia and Rostland into the single nation of Brevoy, established the Seven Great Noble Houses to serve under him and oversee the nation. House Rogarvia ruled over the United Brevoy, and Choral himself eventually disappeared somewhere deep within Gronzi Forrest, claiming to return one day when his people needed him most. i.e Choral is essentially Jaghati Khan.
Then one day, in the year 4699 AR, every single member of House Rogarvia spontaneously disappeared out of thin air. No trace, fortresses empty and undisturbed, they were just all gone. After this, due to their constant political maneuvering and advancing since pledging allegiance to Choral, House Surtova, led by King-Regent Noleski Surtova swiftly came to power as the rulers of Brevoy and holder of the Dragonscale Throne in the Ruby Fortress in New Stetven. However, it still remains to be seen if they can hold the throne, as even now Rostalnd chaffes under the Issian’s rule, and the many other noble houses now maneuver to gain land and power and to seize the Dragonscale Throne for themselves.

>"my fighter was outclassed"
>the list of things includes a kineticist
and then he started cheating.

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>>50892446
>4/7?

> Major Cities and locales
Gronzi Forest is a creepy dark forrect that supplies lumber to New Stetven. It extends into the foothills of the Icerime Peaks, though hunting and woodcutting is largely unregulated in the wester reaches. Choral disappeared her for some reason, probably to become a witcher.

The Icerime Peaks are the Alps essentially, cold mountains covered in ancient as fuq ruins form the Iobarians and other lost civilizations, also abandoned mines and dungeons haunted by iceshades.

New Stetven is the capital, established by Choral, and is the main trade hub of goods flowing between Rostland and Issia. Food shipped from New Stetven supplies and feeds people in the River Kingdoms, Numeria and Mendev, since those places are often too tumultuous and dangerous to grow their own food, and as such you can often find goods from those places (like Numerian Skymetal) in the bustling markets of New Stetven. As the Capital, it is where the Ruby Fortress and Dragonscale Throne of Choral are, currently held by House Surtova

Port Ice is the ancestral seat of House Surtova, and has many roads connecting it to smaller fishing villiages. During the spring and summer, Port Ice is a bustling hub of fishing, then in the winter the walled city closes up everything and hunkers down to ride the winter out, relying on the food stores built up during the warm months to survive the harsh Brevin winter. It is ruled by King Noleshi’s uncle, Domani Surtova

>>50892370
>Gorum
Oh geez

>>50892448
I think he might mean a Psion with the Psychokinesis Discipline.

I'm starting to believe Staypuft is just a misguided child who doesn't know what they're doing and needs to be shown the way.

But then I remember Gerald's ability scores and have second thoughts.

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So I hear kineticist is shit, but here's the thing, I really REALLY want to be able to Hydro Pump people since there are pretty much no games other than Pokemon that let me do that. How do I make a decent water kineticist, ideally one that stays pure water and never dips into other elements?

Pic possibly related, not sure if I'd play a Grippli or not.

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>>50892461
>5/7?

Restov is the formal capital of Rostland, and the heart of the province’s spirit and culture (despite being the southernmost tip of Brevoy). Restov is owned by no King, though Mayor Ioseph Sellemius does swear fealty to the Dragonscale Throne, and as such is a haven for the Aldori Swordlords and their desire to recall their lost ancient glories before the coming of Choral. Restov is a paradox, in that they value their rough-and-tumble way of life, as well as considering themselves as truly refined Taldanes at heart (IE they are simultaneously CG plucky rebels and Muh Heritage Taldor supporters), though most Taldanes visiting them find them quaint, rustic, and slightly barbarc. Restov is filled with small minor lordlings and sons of merchant lords, who constantly frequent the various dueling schools, get smashed at alehouses and brothels, then get in fights in streetcorners and aleys until dawn. Many firebrands and “plucky CG rebels” want to find a leader to rally them to the cause of Rebelling against King Noleski

Skywatch is an ancient fortress-city along the edges of the Snowrime Peaks, built around a magically preserved observatory, and was once used as a stronghold by the Aldori before getting rekt. After this, Choral invested large amounts of time unearthing and restoring the resto of the observatory, and sinking lost of wealth into magical research of it. On the day the Rogarvians disappeared, Skywatch sealed itself completely shut, no one has been able to get in or out, no contact can be stabled, and magical divinations cannot pierce it. They probably found an EVA, or Numidium, but that’s just me speculating. The observatory and city are ancient and of unknown origin, with the only clue being they housed beings much larger than humans.

>>50892503
>How do I make a decent water kineticist
You don't.

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>>50892366
>>50892384
>>50892417
Why not set the game in Taldor if you want knights?

I mean, it's not a totally peaceful place, but it's way more peaceful than Molthune for sure.

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>>50892510

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>>50892524
>Taldor

>>50892474
doubt it. If he felt perfectly fine with a sorc, cleric and barbarian in the party, they probably weren't all that optimized either.

he's probably screamed "ALL DAY!" at least once.

>>50890646
Rahadoum

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>>50892504
>6/7?

The Valley of Fire was where the Aldori made their last stand against Choral, hoping to rap him in the valley and surround him from both sides. Choral didn’t fall for it, and instead had his dragons nuke the ENTIRE valley in dragon fire and wiped out the Aldori forces. The valley is still charred and glassed to this day, and is haunted by tortured shades and fiery shadows of pure hatred.

>Imports, Exports, Economy
Rostland caries most of the economic strength of brevoy, as its fields produce large quantities of grain. The Gronzi Forrest is filled with lumbar operations (though good logging wood has been getting more scarce, forcing woodcutter to travel deeper in the woods), and the Icerime Peaks have lots of mining for ore. Issia produces LOTS of fish. Most of these resources are shipped and sold to the River Kingdoms, Numeria, and Mendev in exchange for money and finished goods from those places.

>Population Demographics
Rostlanders are usually of Taldane stock, while Issians predominately Kellid. There are also notable populations of Dwarves (particularly in the foothills and in towns like Brunderton) and Halflings, and a few other people filtering in from River Kingdoms and Numeria (so Ratfolk aren’t too far-fetched), and occasionally people from Iobaria (sadly I never read Distant Shores and don’t know much about the place). There are also an inordinate amount of people with draconic influence in their blood, particularly Red Dragon. Common languages are Taldan, Hallit, Skald, and Draconic

>>50892524
Because we might eventually want to have crusades against the filthy rebel scum that are infesting Nirmathas.

>>50892503
Friend, have you access to 3pp?
If so, the kineticist can be not shit. in fact it can be pretty damn good.

But it HAS to not be paizo-only to do so.

>>50892565

no

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>>50892560
>7/7

Brevoy is ruled by the 6 Noble Houses (used to be 7, but Rogarvia is AFK), each of them are of course ruled by their petty regional kings
House Garess is based in the Easter Foothills, and has many strong ties with the local Dwarvish clans
House Lebeda controls the plains southwest of Lake Reykal and New Stetven, and most of the shipping and agriculture around there.
House Lodovka is based on Acuben Island in the North Central coast, has the strongest presence on the Lake of Mists and Viels, and mostly still hold to their waterborne ways
House Medvyed controls most of the Gronzi Forrest, and are a hardy folk who proudly hold and associate with the “Old Ways” of nature worship. Get out of here Witcher.
House Orlovsky control Northeastern Brevoy, and traditionally view themselves as above being onvolved in petty politics. Essentially House Stark.
House Surtova currently holds the Dragonscale Throne, and are a house of scheming and conniving scoundrels and bastards. They control Port Ice and most of Northwestern Brevoy.

Now, are you a bad enough dude to side with a Noble House, challenge the Swordlords, and possible unvocer the secrets of the ancient race that once inhabited the Icerime Peaks and Skywatch? Also, where the hell did all the dragons go? IF anyone else has more infor from the other splats, please feel free to add it.

>>50892235
Thrashing Dragon Pounce feat, Elemental Flux focused mystic, War Sphere Basic and Advanced magical training for totems.

I've thought about this a lot gdi.

>>50892601
Thanks, anon!

Now if only I had any experience in building for PoW or Spheres.

Should I go Half-Orc and make this a full Thrall expy, or go Suli and have them draw the power from their own blood?

>>50892411
Show me the dance of the People of the Wall

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>>50892577
You'd need Kineticists of Porphyra and/or Legendary Kineticist to run a proper kineticist, as the class is jank as shit without them.

>>50892646
How can the kineticist be shit when it has all day blasting!

>>50892655
Because if you want all day blasting, its better to be an Archery Paladin

>>50892577
Then it's hopeless.
What effectively happened with the Kineticist was that it was sabotaged into an outright trap option.

It advertises "all day", but actually has serious daily limitations to most of its abilities - including its primary attack form to a degree. It is punished harshly for not losing an individual ability for the rest of the day when using it, even though the abilities themselves are also "adjusted" to account for being usable all day.

And then many of them aren't/cannot.

Now, people railed against everything from the catastrophic Burn mechanic to the pathetic damage to the sheer disparity in value between all the different elements, but all these cries were not only ignored but mocked and chided through the playtest. The class then went live "as-is", like a repeat of 95% of all Elemental Shaman patches outside Mists of Pandaria EVER over in WoW. Even its "to protect from burn" (underwhelming soul) archetype is a colossal slap to the fucking face; you'll know when you read it.

People got PISSED, and a veritable barrage of 3pp material popped up for the class in comparatively short order. Some of it was suggested fixes to severe deficiencies that had gone ignored, and some got very creative.

But none of them are 1pp.

>>50892685
And almost all of it (at least the good stuff) was basically written by one person who understands the class a HUNDRED times better than anyone at Paizo, including its creator.

N. Jolly saved this fucking class and made it not shit.

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Actually help me here, guys.

I... have no idea what magic equipment to get on a fucking dragon. Presumably I don't have feet slots, but everything else should be fair game.

>>50892706
I don't see why you wouldn't have feet slots? They would just have to be custom crafted.

>>50892706
probably jewelry first. amulets and rings.

>>50892673
When the hell did blasting just mean archery?

>>50892706
Amulet of Mighty Fists should be your top priority--the natural armor amulet won't be as good, since you've got enough natural armor as is.
A ring of protection might also help, and of course a belt of bull's strength or physical might for Str and Con.
Apart from that, it should probably be determined by your class. A quick runner's "shirt" would be nice if it's the pre-errata version, and you should consider barding unless you're a caster.

>>50892734
What does blasting even mean anon

This is a serious question - does it have a mechanical meaning to you or is it purely fluff

>>50892503
If you can third-party, you could do it with Spheres of Power.

>>50892734
When blasting = ranged damage, with elemental damage optional. Heck, with an enchanted bow or a spell applied by the team mage (or anybody with UMD and a wand, or just your divine bond) you can cover that too.

>>50892706
Ring of Spell Storing
With a stored Antimagic Field.
Amulet of Mighty Fists or something to enhance your Natural Weapons

For the rest, just look at the most expensive Wondrous Items you can, and see which ones are best for either combat casting or tearing through dudes. Since you're a dragon, you probably can afford those things as well.

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>>50892561
And that's comfy how?

>>50892751
>>50892746
Ranged elemental/magical damage with the potential with AoE without using a weapon, under your own power/class features.

Calling an archer or gunsligner a blaster is just as fucking retarded as calling a pouncing barbarian one. I hate when /pfg/ tries to pull that shit.

>>50892746
Blasting generally refers to ranged magical or energy damage, as opposed to purely physical combat forms.

When a standard kineticist is disfavorably compared to an archer in that function, that just goes to show how bad things are.

"Nuking" is usually more in reference to AoE damage in that fashion.

A warsoul emulating tech weapons is a better blaster than a standard kineticist, and a gambler kineticist packs excellent nukes.

>>50892769
What's the difference between using your own blasting and refluffing a bow as blasting? If the GM insists it has to be 'detachable' just say your bow is a family amulet you need to wear to channel your inner power properly.

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>>50892714
I suppose so, actually.

>>50892730
>>50892740
>>50892753
Amulet of mighty fists! That's the one. If only they were slightly cheaper, because I think we can't use over half of it on any one thing.

>>50892795
>Update
>I want to be bender
>lol jut be a paldin archer
FUCK YOU

FUCK EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR

FUCK YOU

>>50892769
Actually in some cases the weapons are generated by one's class abilities. It's in some ways more 'pure' than having a wand of fireballs (which counts) since even the weapon in this case is using your own power to blast.

besides, traditionally, anyone will at least have some kind of focus/amplifier device, like most mages in MMOs

>>50892795
You're bow can be sundered and stolen

You're concept doesn't i8nvolve magical amulets

You need ammo for your bow

Your bow function in an AoF/Deadmagic zone

You're bow does piercing damage.

>>50892805
The problem is, if being a bender is less practical or useful than just being either a dude with a bow or a spellcaster, why would anyone be a bender? Especially since a Sorcerer already fulfills the same niche and function much better than a kineticist

>>50892838
that was exactly the problem with kineticist standard.

>>50892815
That's just Warsoul and Psychic Armory, which are mechanically Archers. Psychic Armory is broken bullshit and tech weapon blade shapes is a shitty goddamn exploit most DM's won't let fly.

But at leasts it's better than being a fucking archer paladin.
>The problem is, if being a bender is less practical or useful than just being either a dude with a bow or a spellcaster, why would anyone be a bender?
Because it's cool as shit.

At least Sorcer, Psion, Wilder, etc are valid answers. When someone asks for blasty stuff and people just say "refuff a guy wtih bow" I get legit fucking angry.

>>50892829
*Your

>You're bow can be sundered and stolen
So can an amulet.

>You're concept doesn't i8nvolve magical amulets
You make it a power crystal or crown or something.
If you're stuck with 1pp only you cannot afford to be this stubborn over minor details to get a concept working.

>You need ammo for your bow
Many GMs waive ammo, and even if not, just turn it into something like magic charms.

>You're bow does piercing damage.
Enchant it to be a frost weapon. Say the piercing part of the damage is from how sharp the ice is.

>Your bow function in an AoF/Deadmagic zone
It stops being frost.

>>50892702
Forrest too, admittedly.

>>50892855
I also get exhausted when someone says "I have a really specific character concept I want to play, how do I do it in 1pp only".

That's really not how PF works.

>>50892872
>so can an amulet
Why do you need hands to wield it. How come spells that effect weapons, but not jewlerly affect your amulet.
>If you're stuck with 1pp only you cannot afford to be this stubborn over minor details to get a concept working.
That's not a minor detail
>Many GMs waive ammo, and even if not, just turn it into something like magic charms.
Again, what if that doesn't fit the concept.
>It stops being frost.
How are you still doing magic


It's a poor fucking fit.

>>50891333
Because it look good and you should go outside to look at female fashion more to see that it isn't just Japanese females that prefer form over function, it's the female of the entire world.

>>50892894
It's an incredibly common character archetype. There's just only one real way to play it in 1pp only Paizo because Paizo is fucking incompetent.

>>50892855
>and tech weapon blade shapes is a shitty goddamn exploit most DM's won't let fly.
And yet, it's the easiest way to mimic a Final Fantasy Flare spell or something like that.

>>50892901
Female

>>50892922
Literally be a Sorcerer, Psion with Favored Energy Firer, Sphere Caster(which can be fluffed as motherfucking ANYTHING you can imagine).

>>50892922
It's also weaker than just emulating standard early firearms which are weaker still than just making a bow. Both of which are perfectly doable with blade shapes.

Well, unless your combat is taking places at ranges beyond 200ft, but that's rather unlikely isn't it.

>>50892953
Weaker? Yes. But it's easier to pretend that you're shooting magic if you're shooting a laser, rather than some rinkydink arrows.

>>50892937
Actually, that would be quite wrong.
See, Flare was effectively non-elemental and pierced defenses in the majority of games.

What you are suggesting is type damage, and with severe vulnerabilities to defensive effects at that.

>>50892973
I was not disagreeing, just supporting. Broken/OP it ain't.

Similar affair with machineguns: the line may seem intimidating, but a GM will quickly realize that the incompatibility with damage feats keeps the per-hit damage substantially lower. Wiping out some extra goblins is of little complexity to encounter design at mid levels.

>>50892978
Okay

Psion with negative energy affinity/concussive onslaught

Sphere Caster with the myriad of blast types that are untyped/super fucking rarely resisted.

Done.

>>50891333
Well, one reason is that you can put more power into a swing if you aren't heavily armored. The rotation of the waist can go a long way towards giving that extra oomph to an attack. The more armored you are, the more you are relying on just your arm to swing.

Another reason is that it makes the attacks of others fairly obvious, aiming for two large weakpoints rather than several smaller ones.

other than those two though, i have no idea.

>>50893068
even full plate was quite mobile.
cartwheels were quite doable. you had a full range of motion.

The hallmark of well made armor back in the day was the range of motion it allowed its wearer when worn, you could easily tell if a shoddy blacksmith was behind your set if you couldn't move easily.

>>50893121
I suppose that's kind of a neat thing if you think about it.

Masterwork Armor doesn't protect you better, it lets you move easier.

It always makes me happy when I come across something in this dumb game of ours that actually makes sense.

>>50893086
>>50893121
While this is true, simple range of motion is only half of it. There's also the 60 pound average weight bearing down on your whole body. No matter how well trained you are, you will move better when encumbered less. A soldier can run with full gear for a good while, but they can probably go for even longer with light gear that only has bare necessities.

And even if you have a full range, it doesn't mean you aren't slowed down within that range.

>>50893168
While that's true, what's also true is that that weight is relatively evenly distributed among the wearer's body, it's not like you're wearing all 60 of those pounds on your back like a sack, so while that is a lot of weight it's not nearly as bad as it sounds, especially for a well-muscled knight.

>>50893168
Actually, plate made for proper combat was only 30-40lbs, with the heaviest ones around 50. This was carefully distributed over the entire body thanks to the multiple layers and straps securing it.

Armor made specially for jousting was a different story and could top 100 pounds, but was designed specifically to let you tank hits in a controlled situation with minimal required movements (you were often winched onto your horse).

>>50893182
>>50893205
Really, this depends entirely on the style and type of plate armor we're talking about. Dependent on that, it could swing either way. The biggest factor is if the waist is one solid piece or a number of smaller ones for maneuverability.

Comfort Mithral Fullplate has an armor check penalty of 0, which is pretty good.

>>50893253
Wrong.

>>50892619
Half-Orc has a solid enough Mystic FCB. You could go full orc - abuse the +4 strength with Prodigious Two-Weapon Fighting (and they can use it too), though Half Orc is gonna have better save DCs.

>>50893260
Full plate is -5

Mithral is -3
Masterwork is -1
Comfort is -1

That's -5

Or am I thinking of Hellknight plate?

>>50893287
Whether the mithral and masterwork reduction stack is very up to interpretation and I'm not sure if it's ever been clarified.

>>50893287
>Full plate is -5
-6

>>50893313
Why wouldn't it?

Which one is more poisonous and toxic for the Molthune game, Staypuft or 2hu?

>>50893313
I think for something to be mithril, or made of a special material at all, its automatically counted as masterwork, as you would need specialty skills to work the material to start with.

>>50893324
DHB

>>50893217
THAT is determined by whether it was made for jousting or for fighting.

Bad quality decoratives may also have had such issues,but those were not made to be worn, such as certain beautifully engraved armors given to... notably uh... large... lords.

>>50893287
Full plate is -6. Hellknight plate is -5, but that's already Masterwork.

You want Mithril for -3 (Which doesn't stack with Masterwork)

A Steelbone Frame for -2

And then either Comfort or the Armor Expert trait for another -1

>>50893322
>Spell failure chances for armors and shields made from mithral are decreased by 10%, maximum Dexterity bonuses are increased by 2, and armor check penalties are decreased by 3 (to a minimum of 0).

Mithral armors are explicitly always masterwork, therefore you could make a case that the -3 already includes the masterwork reduction.

>>50893322
Because it doesn't, as Mithral is and already includes the masterwork changes.

You cannot then masterwork a mithral plate. It was masterwork to begin with.

>>50893324
As bad as 2hu can be I don't see how it's even a competition with staypuft.

>My reading of the rules is right because I have an emotional attachment to the fact it should work

>>50893376
>Emotional attachment

u wot m8

>>50893409
it was mind-shattering to read through that.

>>50893365
I would disagree as all of those are listings of Mirthal's properties. If it included masterwork it should be listed. Otherwise I have no reason to assume that.

>>50893439
IT DOES.
goddamnit staypufft fucking read the fucking rules for once.

>>50893451
Are you guys just assuming that people are who you say they are or is there some secret tech to knowing who's who that I just wasn't aware of until now?

>>50893439
This is more for 3.5 than it is PF, but if you look up the chain shirt the table for the cost of special materials has a note near the bottom that states that the cost includes the masterwork component.

And since 3.5 and PF are more or less interchangeable on a core level, i believe that would apply to PF as well.

>>50893439
>Mithril Items are always masterwork
>Mithril items reduce ACP by 3.

This is not a difficult prospect to understand.

>>50893439
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q3cz?Mithril-Armors-and-Armor-Check-Penalties

See the thing about comparison to adamantine.

>>50893451
>>50893487
No I mean it does not say the reduce to APC includes masterwork. Assuming that is does is literally adding rules text that isn't there.

I see what you're saying. I'm saying it's adding rules text that isn't there.

>>50893476
No I'm saying Mithral is always masterwork. I don't deny that. What I'm arguing is that the -3 APC doesn't include it and there is no reason to assume it does.

>>50893509
If the cost for the item includes the cost of the masterwork component, it is safe to assume the rest of the stats include the masterwork changes as well.