Pathfinder General /pfg/

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So I reworked the family banner. This is what we fly in times of war.

Next pic is the family sigil.

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What kind of freshly-landed knight would it take to choose a blazing golden sun on a field of sable as their sigil?

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>>50876523
The Sigil, by itself.

Family name:
House Maar

Motto:
"Torn From The Roots"

Is there anything else an aspiring noble house needs? We have a plan for the village which is:
>begin with brewing
>move into alchemy
>move into higher education
>form college of the mortal sciences

Also what professions does a leader need? I have Profession (Barrister) at the moment as what as what I think is a pretty good skill suite. +17 to Diplomacy & Bluff, but not for feinting or gather information.

>>50876485
Unoptimized wizards are cuter.

>>50876485
There seem to be a lot of items with lewd potential in Pathfinder.

Same for abilities, monsters, etc, but less so.

What are your favorites?

>>50876618
Not exactly lewd, but I want to fill a portable hole full of water and put a cauldron of brewing in so I can have a hot tub that fits in my pocket.

More lewdly, I like rings of bondage.

>>50876485
>tfw building wizard
>tfw this stat block
>Str: 9
>Dex: 14
>Con: 14
>Int: 20
>Wis: 16
>Cha:10

>>50876656
Sure, that's cute, and it means lots of opportunity for stripping down and relaxing together, so it can count as a lewd or at least sexy use of items.

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Hearken to me, servants of Evil, and tell me of your inglorious misdeeds!

How have you served your dark masters in your campaigns?

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>>50876721
We captured a good guy (a real paladin) through the use of disguises, though we had some trouble with nets along the way.

How did we do?

>>50876485
Much better opening post but you need to make it about the actual game, not waifus

Glad you're learning

>>50876739
Did you forget to take Weapon Focus (Net)? I'm sure you can find a bonus feat somewhere for that - or maybe there's a Damnation Feat that covers it?

Either way, you've done well enough for Stage One. Do you know what you plan to do with said Paladin now that you've captured him?

>>50876721
Mostly capturing souls.

It REALLY pisses of demons, let me tell you that.

>>50876560
an incredibly arrogant one?

the kind of family that names their firstborn "strongest under the heavens", utterly heedless of what that will do to him in school.

>>50876568
>"Torn From The Roots"
Kind of seems to be referencing Nirmathas

>>50876560
Cyric

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Is there any spell that's similar to 'helm of opposite alignment'?

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Serious lack of cute wizards in thread.

>>50876898
Nope.

Atonement gives people the opportunity to willingly change alignment, and Alchemists can get a Grand Discovery that permanently changes alignment... but that's it. I think.

>>50876739
You are number one!

>>50876919

Remove deneb remove deneb you are worst pumpkin

>>50876929
So does each major god have their own spin on Atonement that the target feels when cast on by a Cleric of that god?

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>>50876774

>Did you forget to take Weapon Focus (Net)? I'm sure you can find a bonus feat somewhere for that - or maybe there's a Damnation Feat that covers it?
We mostly had some trouble making ranged attacks with nets into melee, because nobody had Precise Shot.

>Either way, you've done well enough for Stage One. Do you know what you plan to do with said Paladin now that you've captured him?
We have him in a cage in our underground hideout.

>>50876980
VILLAIN number one!

>>50877034
Part of me recalls reading something like that, but I don't recall where. Or if it was an official thing, or just something some people came up with.

>>50877059
It occurs to me at this point, we don't have a Vigilante Archetype that gets you a small number of similarly-dressed goons.

This is a tremendous oversight.

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What class is Sportaflop, /pfg/?

Does he worship Kurgess? IS he Kurgess?

>>50877089
He's a Speedster Monk, obviously!

>>50876485
I dearly hope you are the last of your bloodline.

>>50877089
>>50877108
Ooh, or alternatively, he's a Speed Motif Henshin Hero, but one who recovers Transformation rounds from healthy food and proper exercise!

>>50877119
Sportaflippity-flip never henshins though.

>>50876991
Well that's just, like, your opinion leader, man

>>50877133
OR, he's never NOT henshin'd. He's just got so many rounds from all his exercise and proper diet that he never runs out!

Plus, he's got his transformation trinket as that thingie on his chest!

Honestly, Transformation Rounds being limited is the only thing I don't like about Henshin Hero. Like your entire class turns off once you've run out.

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I'm losing my mind.

Glory to Molthune

>>50877157

kek

>tell players they're investigating weird raids and kidnappings
>they think it's the hobgoblin nation next door
>doesn't fit their MO
>find tracks heading into the woods that form the border
>follow them
>find goblinoid camp
>fight them, killing one, interrogating one, and letting one escape
>last one says his commander will buy him as a prisoner and that they didn't do the raid
>party head out
>find the hobgoblin military camp
>turns out they were sent to investigate the raids as well, as it's happening both sides of the border
>hobgoblin commander thanks them for bringing his subordinate, kills him for his cowardice and pays the players (the one that escape came and told the commander what happened)
>commander makes it clear he does not trust the party, but knows they are hired swords and not soldiers of the other nation, offers an exchange
>they have one of the people who has been raiding
>they have him tied to a pole inside the camp, skin flayed off of one arm and left to fester, nails torn off both hands, etc.
>tells party he isn't giving up info, but they're welcome to go through his belongings and interrogate him as well
>players get really uncomfortable as the obvious torture
>don't like the fact that a few other bodies are stacked outside of camp (gonna be fed to goblin dogs)
>go through the belongings
>turns out letters have a hidden message the commander current interpret because he isn't great with the language
>one player really gung ho to also torture
>rest still not sure

So how would you react as a player to this series of events. The guy in question was part of a fanatical political movement backed by demons.

>>50877392
If he hasn't given up info under torture of that magnitude, it's a pretty sure thing he's not gonna unless we break out some heavy-duty enchantments. Party should find another way to go about this.

Also, torture fetish dude really needs to calm his tits.

>>50877454
time to soulsearch the fucker.

>>50876721
I split myself into two distinct entities one who continues travelling with the party and the other who's acting as the messianic figure for a cult that worships constructs.

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>>50877258
Fuck it, one more.

I quite like the purple on this one. How's everyone else feel about it?

>>50876656

What are other spell choices/items which have potential for cute? Either on their on, or combination thereof.

My initial response to OP was filthy wizards can never be cute.

But I thought about it, and a wizard who chooses to prepare spells to cheer party members up could be cute.

>>50877258
>>50877515
What are you using to make these?

>>50877494
Excellent work! This is, of course, all in service to the cause of Evil, correct?

>>50876783
Were they the stolen souls of the righteous?

>>50877590
The cause of causing as much chaos and misery as necessary is evil so... yes?

>>50877590
Gonna be honest, mostly the stolen souls of demons trying to invade and summon through their repulsive slug demon lord, since he thinks there's a cure for his whole 'being a slug' problem on the material plane.

As well as other miscellaneous shitbags who have the audacity to try and kill me.

I mean, it is technically still in the service of evil. Since it's in the service of myself.

I got one that's 24 whole HD! And I'm only level 13!

>>50877631
It's salt.
The cure to being slug is salt.

>>50877643
He wants to survive it is the thing.

Besides, after Asmodeus cursed him into being a slug and trying for thousands of years to get it fixed, now having a wandering band of assholes fucking with his plans, I think salt is something he has plenty of.

>>50876485
>Can they still be cute if they dump Str and Cha and use Int for their social skills?
No, because those are called "know it alls" and they're inherently obnoxious.

Int to social skills should get you looked at in the same way as you would look at an autistic dickhead for proving you wrong or claiming that they are right and you should do as they say. They might actually be right but it doesn't make them less obnoxious about it. Int=/=Cha.

> one on one Jade Regent
> possible lewds
> maybe flexible scheduling

Ooooh oh hooo. This might be something worth looking int-

>all these applicants already

Aw... hm. Maybe I should try one of these "living" campaigns.

How do you feel about those, /pfg/?

Think it might be a good way to get some pathfinder experience as a new player?

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>>50877529
Some program called flagmaker I found on r/vexillology.

>>50877717
But Int to social skills actually lets you convince people effectively.

>>50877860
>>50877717
This, Int to social skills is about knowing psychology and shit and choosing your words carefully as opposed to slapping together some Kamina bullshit and relying off raw animal magnetism.

>>50877609
Excellent!

>>50877631
True, true.

You are both technically correct, which is perhaps the best kind of correct to be! How utterly devious!

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>>50877883
Could it also be about being a shy and endearing meganekko?

>want to be a vigilante spellcaster
>vigilante spellcasting classes
>Zealot
>Cabalist
>Magical Child

I just want to cast from the wizard spell list without all this bullshit. Is that so wrong? None of them from Legendary Vigilantes cast from it either.

I am really tempted to be an Alchemical Scoundrel though.

>>50877904
No, that's Charisma. It's just manifesting itself differently.

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What class is he?

Some sort of vigilante with Everyman?

>>50877907
Bitch, Warlock is literally right there, and it works with the stuff from Legendary Villains: Vigilantes.

>>50877931
>tfw don't want bullshit bolt shit

>>50877907
It really is a pain that none of them have access to the Wizard spelllist but speaking from experience in the form of my current character being a Cabalist, that archetype is really fun.

>>50877956
>tfw want bolt shit but don't want vancian casting

>>50877930
What's Everyman do again?

>>50877968
>>50877907
Have you considered Eldritch Scoundrel Unchained Rogue instead? It's not quite a Vigilante, but it's still pretty good.

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>>50877969
Be a zenko kitsune Gifted Blade/Psychic Armory/War Soul!

>>50877984
No.

No.

No.

Fuck you.

No.

>>50877907
Maybe because the wizard spell list gives them way too much versatility?

If you want to cast from the wizard spell list, be a wizard

>>50877930
What's with this massive increase of Robbieposting?

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>>50877956
>bolt shit
>implying the bolts are shit
>implying anything the Zealot, Cabalist, or Magical Child get are better when taking into account Jolly's stuff
>implying it isn't just an upgradeable MegaCantrip

You get your spellcasting from the wizard list, what more do you want? What are you even trying to do with 6th level casting as a vigilante that it doesn't do what you want?

>>50878002
Memes

>>50877883
So in other words, the soulless sociopath way of convincing people.

>>50878030
No unless you're very cynical. But yeah, it can be fluffed that way. Granted sociopaths can be high Cha, it just comes to them "naturally".

>>50877930
He's a Vigilante, but also one with an as-yet unwritten archetype that gets him a small number of similarly-dressed goons as he levels.

I already have plans to bully Jolly into making this archetype a reality.

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>>50877904
I wish I was the book experiencing her charisma.

>>50878024
I guess, but is it just youtube/reddit fads leaking? REEEE

>>50877923
Can a character still be endearing and attractive without Charisma? Or is that more like having just middling/above-average Charisma without any social skills?

>>50877969
Avowed?

>>50878002
Molthune is usually characterized as villains, so people have decided to make fun of/own that expectation.

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>>50877969
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNC6Z3p7AA-tjkBsp0lDuBT3YRoJQzOeqr9fuyF0QAk/edit?usp=sharing

For you.

>>50878053
no, endearing pretty much requires charisma.

like, when a cute girl trips up and people think that's cute, it's because she's cute.

when Mr.Garisson trips up, he ends up mocked on tosh.0

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>>50877904
>>50878043
>loafers
>not high heels

Shit girl.

>>50878042
>gets him a small number of similarly-dressed goons as he levels
That was only one episode.

>>50878071
Holy shit, anon.

A bit late, but Merry fucking Christmas.

>>50878100
Happy to be of assistance, anon. It's always an absolute treat to hear someone enthusiastic about my work.

>>50878094
Yeah, but we're talking memes here. And by the memes, he has his goons.

>>50878053
Attractive yes. There are characters that are described as physically attractive with low Charisma (see Orik).

Endearing, generally no. That being said, you could grow used to their behavior.

>>50878053
Much as this crowd and paizo likes to pretend charisma (which in the stat description includes appearance) doesn't matter, the fact is, you need to be attractive to be attractive.

Hackmaster did it best: Looks was a separate base attribute but connected to Charisma. Looks governed initial reactions while Charisma let you work from that initial result with social stuff from that point on. Which is quite sensible.

The two also grew and fell together: post character-creation If your charisma went up, your looks did too, and vice-versa; because yes, handling yourself better and having more self-confidence shows, but being just plain hotter also gives you those in return too.

Looks COULD go negative (bad roll and shitass charisma, or various disfigurements) too, but negative looks was equal to positive looks when dealing with naturally evil inhuman intelligent monstrous creatures.

In other words nothing likes someone with 0 looks, but get yourself to -25 and gibbering mouthers will land to sing on your shoulders, and otyughs might fucking die from the exact same effects that seeing a nymph does to us.

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Ayy, this is too corporate/space-y but I'll drop it here.

>>50878171
This isn't a thread about Hackmaster, this is a thread about Pathfinder. Charisma is a mental stat fist and foremost. It plays a part in appearance, but you can be physically attractive and have low Charisma.

You won't be endearing though. People won't naturally flock to you.

>>50877860
>>50877883
Doesn' mean they're attractive, charming, cute or cool, it just means they're smart enough to talk circles around you and convince you through arguments and being a stubborn dickhead about it.

Collette is a int based social person. His argument are very factual and often convincing, but only a moron or ignoramus thinks he's cute.

>>50878198
Still enjoy crunching out Comeliness scores, but it's kind of over-complex. That said, I do like it better than the "take the average of all physical scores plus Charisma", since it ends up with more variance.

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>>50878175
>>50877832
>>50877515
>>50877258
Anon, that's an awful lot of flags considering the time.

>>50878198
only one stat in pf has anything to do with it:
>Charisma measures a character's personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and appearance.

>Charisma measures appearance
>Charisma
>appearance
>APPEARANCE

people say what they fucking want in their descripts but let's be honest for a second: that ability score governs it, and mechanically almost nothing else ever does so.

>>50878222
> convince you through arguments and being a stubborn dickhead about it.
> being a stubborn dickhead about it.
Where are you getting this from.

Forming a fucking argument and not just using "Feels" to convince people doesn't automatically make you an stubborn dick head about it. Especially since a Charisma person can also be a stubborn dick head, they just get results.

>>50878241
And there is precedence for characters having low Charisma in Paizo materials being described as attractive.

There are examples in other versions of D&D that decribe people that aren't attractive, but have high charisma.

Charisma is not the end all be all of physical attractiveness. The attractiveness part comes from you knowing how to carry yourself/personal presence.

>>50878241
Anon, you can be hot as fuck and still be an unlikable greasy asshole

>>50878238
MY VILLAGE WILL BE THE GREATEST VILLAGE! WE WILL BECOME A TRADE HUB AND A MAJOR PRODUCTION CENTER! WE WILL NOT BE OBSTRUCTED!

>>50878241
Also by this logic. Chicks must be lining up to receive the constentacle from Aboleths, Krakens, and the like.

>>50878271
>>50878241
do recall though that paizo views charisma the same way they view martials. so it's kinda natural that they'd backtrack after turning it into a dump-stat.

"even though we gave her 5 charisma she's really beautiful because she has 21 int"

>>50878286
>>50878272
>>50878296
>>50878296
>>50878247
>>50878241
and this is why we need a comeliness score for the bloody game.

Charisma is not Comeliness

>>50878247
Have you even read the traits that give you Int instead of wis or cha bonuses to skills, anon?

"Pragmatic Activator"
"Precise Treatment"
"Bruising Intellect"
"Clever Wordplay"
"Student of Philosophy"

They read between "autistic" and "asshole" literally.

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Hey, pathfags.

What's the new meta for building a mechanically strong Paladin? No multiclassing (Prestiges fine, though.) Mostly curious what people are doing with the class nowadays.

>>50878312
Strength and Charisma matter.

And use PoW zealots because those are the only martials that matter anymore.

>>50878296
No, the character in question was a martial. Orik Vankercaskin. Darkly Handsome. 8 charisma.

>>50878309
No they don't. We get it. You're desperate to feel pretty in game because you're not IRL.

>>50878343
>I'm not an asshole or an autist because Int is the only score that matters! Really!
>Just let me be a dick about it to prov my point.
Way to prove me wrong.

>>50878354
>>I'm not an asshole or an autist because Int is the only score that matters! Really!
Except it's not.

Wisdom is a way better stat than Int.

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>>50878342
>And use PoW zealots because those are the only martials that matter anymore.

You misspelled OD/ZS warder.

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I-I don't have a problem, I swear! I can quit anytime!

Does your village have a flag, /pfg/? If not we could make one for you.

>>50878296
Aren't all of Paizo's sweetheart gals, Charisma based.

>>50878389
Can you help me out buddy. I'm
>>50876523
>>50876568

Can you help me out with something for my color/sigil?

If not that's fine.

>>50878304
Why not just use Comeliness?
http://fizzygoo.com/Dnd/Variant/Comelns.html

Rolled 6, 2, 2 = 10 (3d6)

>>50878500
(9+14)/8+(10/2)= 7.875

>>50878361
To elaborate. Int is pretty much only good if you were using Int anyway as a class feature. Like more skills are nice, but they're just Icing. Wisdom contributes DIRECTLY to your survivability in a way Charisma and Int does not. There's a reason why most Warders are suddenly Ordained Defenders now.

>>50878558
Don't forget that the most-rolled skill of all (Perception) keys off of WIS.

So here is a discussion. Who of the current Molthune Knights is best established to become a noble? Marry off their sons/daughters, contacts, etc. Who had the best start?

>>50878558
Skills are actually important. Knowledges let you know what you're actually fighting.

>There's a reason why most Warders are suddenly Ordained Defenders now.
That's actually just because of a free discipline and Conversion.

If Ordained Defender was still Intelligence, people would still fucking leap at it.

>>50878489
I unfortunately don't know a ton about heraldry. Flag design is a bit different, colors can touch, you tend to only see red, blue, white, yellow, green, and black, and any flag design found be easily recognized by a child. If I had to give any opinions, it'd be that the tree bits are too thin. Again, not familiar with heraldry as much as vexillology, so don't take it to seriously. The brown of the sigil might not play nicely with the other colors, yellow and brown are odd sometimes.

>>50878673
Not shit, at that point it's a free upgrade.
>Skills are actually important. Knowledges let you know what you're actually fighting.
Not as important as actual will saves. But I'd argue that seeing the shadow coming to kill you is more important than nowing what it is, especially when knowledge are easy enough o pass without being Int based and there are so many of them that it actually balances out the bonus skill points from being Int in the first place.

>>50878312
If third party, Knight Disciple is pretty good.

First party, Chosen One is pretty fun. You delay some stuff a bit but end up with a familiar. Other than that you pretty much just build them like you always did, either with a big stronking sword or going for divine archery.

>>50878728
You won't even know what the fuck you're fighting if you've got 0 ranks in a Knowledge skill.

Knowledge is trained only past DC 10.

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Which Molthuni knight app should we bully next, /pfg/?

>>50878766
Without being Int based, doesn't mean, No ranks.

>>50878728
you won't know that the shadow kills you like that without knowledge

>>50878766
>0 ranks in knowledge local
>can't identify humans or humanoids
name one real DM who does this

>>50878777
Yeah, shadows are DC 13 Knowledge (religion) to identify.

>>50878774
Fuck off, you're literally just doing this for attention.

Here, here's some attention. Now go away for the next 365 days.

>>50878777
See
>>50878781
You don't need to be Int based to put ranks in the skill.

Wisdom contributes DIRECTLY to a characters suitability in terms of Saves. Int does not do this. Int just grants skills, which are NICE. Really nice, but not fucking God tier.

>>50878800
>What is Obsidian Sidestep?

>>50878774
Go bully the applicants to the solo game if you're this desparate for something to do. At least they probably deserve it.

Fucking kitsune

>>50878783
Most humanoids like elves are hyper common and below 10. Goblins for instance are a DC 5. Rare humanoids are higher.

>>50878815
>most of the common stuff you'll encounter are piss easy to identify
>perception is always in demand no matter what you're fighting
so why is knowledge more important again?

>>50878804
A maneuver available in an optional subsystem that players will either need a certain class or series of feats to have access to.

But since DSP is on the table. Let's talk about how a DSP character can get Wisdom to Attack, Damage(potentially triple with no action or feat investment either before you mention Kirin Style), HP, and AC!

>>50878851
A troll for instance isn't "common" and is a DC 13. Without a knowledge check you don't know how regeneration works.

>>50878868
And you can still put points in Knowledge without being Int based

3 ranks+3 from class skill is a +6

>>50878885
Most "common" monsters you can manage with a take 10. Uncommon you can't unless you're int based.

Uncommon and rare are 15+CR.

So a stone troll would be DC 20.

>>50876485
Someone of any stats can be "cute", you just have no ability to persuade or change what people think of you by talking alone when your charisma is low. If someone wants to do or request something *by default* based on what they see at first, including snuggle you because your described appearance is in some way cute to them, or keep a watchful eye on you for being obviously a wizard, that isn't affected by your charisma. You just can't change their mind. So they'll never let you go.

>>50878855
>Let's talk about how a DSP character can get Wisdom to Attack, Damage(potentially triple with no action or feat investment either before you mention Kirin Style), HP, and AC!

You'll need to do some dipping and some feat spending for that.

>>50878894
Can't take 10 when in a stressful situation or hurried.

Combat counts.

>>50878894
Yeah, still not contributing to direct survivabilty like a Will save is.
>>50878923
And so does an Int based character just to get Int to every skill, and yet people look at Orator like a crime against humanity when Psychic Armory and Altered Life exist.

Seriously a feat, a monk dip, and being an Elan nets you all that.

Drop the monk dip and that still gets you
>Wisdom to Attack, Damage, and Hit Points
Be a Psychic Armory with a tradition in Elemental Flux and that's double and potentially TRIPLE Wisdom to damage.

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Man infernal contracts sound so cozy.

>>50878937
Come to think of it, shouldn't there be some point in your career where certain combats no longer qualify as that? There isn't, but on the extreme end I would probably want to say someone's level 20 character who is getting attacked by a peasant would be able to take out a lawn chair and read a book at that point.

>>50878966
>And so does an Int based character just to get Int to every skill
Student of Philosophy, my man.

>Psychic Armory and Altered Life
Takes a dip, takes a feat with type/subtype prereqs.

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>>50878966
People complain about Gifted Blade/Psychic Armory/War Soul too, you know.

You're dumb.

>>50879055
Bluff and Diplo isnt't every skill.

Psy arm is a good class and can you really compare Attack, Damag, and HP with two skills?

>>50879061
Not as much as Orator or Student of Philosophy, despite them being way more tame.

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>>50879079
>>50879089
Gifted Blade/Psychic Armory/War Soul is a class.

Student of Philosophy is a trait.

Big difference.

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Anons who wish to fight Pharasma and the plane's crimes against the mortal races: Behold our savior!

>>50879096
Yes and? Wisdom is still better than Int, if only because Will saves. SoP doesn't make Int the best stat.

>>50879145
You sound like someone whose GM forces like 3-4 fights a session.

>>50879153
What? Why?

>>50879139
>Soul Anchor isn't [Evil]

But why? There ought to be a price for this sort of power!

>>50879139
Now how do I get it.

>>50879162
The general dismissal of skill points.

>>50879183
No, skills are nice.


They just don't directly translate into living like Will saves do.

And the amount of knowledge skills that exist counteracts Int's abundance for them.

>>50879202
Not to mention yhosr +X skill bullshits are cheap as hell.

>>50879202
>And the amount of knowledge skills that exist counteracts Int's abundance for them.

Be like me, put 1 rank into most of them, spend the rest on good skills.

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>>50879166
It's not [evil] because it doesn't go against the universal good of the universe.

Don't you see, anon? Wiping your memories as you become petitioners are the gods way of keeping you down! That's where the evil lies! Fight the gods!

>>50879176
As far as I can tell, they're craftable; but the details of which are only known to Pharasma and her psychopomphs.

>>50878500
It's a bit more math, but I prefer this one to the blanket "High cha means sexy".
Hell we have a system for Cup size / Dick size. Even though I got problems with that one, mostly memes, but still

>>50879218
2.5k for a +5 bonus isn't cheap. Takes up slots too.

>>50879221
Like what? Beyond Knowledge, spellcraft, perception, and diplo. There's not much beyond fluff.

>>50879221
That's going to taper off fast.

>>50879224
Yeah, my group's been using it for some time now. Hope it gets more of a push. >>50878500
if I could shill this harder and sound genuine I would

>>50879242
>>50879260
Bluff, Diplomacy, Sense Motive.

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>>50878222
>Collette is a int based social person. His argument are very factual and often convincing, but only a moron or ignoramus thinks he's cute.

That's not the Colette I remember!

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>>50879222
>fight the gods

But what if I serve the Great Old Ones?

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>>50879281
Well hello there~...

>>50879044
Well that's the thing. 'Stressful situation' is vague as fuck. An emotionless, purely logical character (Like an Android) literally cannot feel stress.

But it's a reasonable thing to ask your DM, if an encounter is trivial, whether or not it counts as to prevent take 10s.

Although that's not a thing that comes up too often, if I'm honest.

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>>50879298
What's so great about them? They don't serve meta-human interests! They seek to tear down our homes and our lives! And unlike the gods above and below, they don't even pretend to understand our plight! They claim to bring despair and hope and the end for us all, but why do they wait? Why do they sit and do nothing!

Because they are afraid! They dare not attack in fear of retaliation of us mortals! It's the same as the gods -- No war between heaven and hell will happen on earth so long as mortals exist, for only us mortals will be victorious! So they hide in their heavens and hells, content to steal our souls and wipe our memories so that we may be shaped to their desires and eventually turned to hunt our brethren.

Do not listen to Pharasma's lies.
Slay the old ones.
Slay the gods.

>>50879355
Anon, you're talking to someone whose greatest ambition is to be eaten FIRST when Cthulu awakens. I'm not sure you'll convince him that way.

Besides, it's not like the stars are even right.

What is the best throwing weapon?

>>50879594
And I guess to build upon this, the best class/archetype to use for it? 1pp. I know throwing is not optimal but I want to mix things up once in awhile.

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So I'm planning on taking up the DM mantle again after nearly a year and want ya all's opinion on a good level to run a one shot to get my feet wet again. I want the players to be able to do cool shit but also not to the point their fist fighting gods and fat with loot. I don't mind if they're a bit on the strong side though since it's just a one shot. If things go well, I'm gonna run the campaign I spent 8 months building.

>>50879625
One shot:
(Party number) of pit fiends are called up by Asmodeus for a secret mission: They must protect an orphan for one month.

Everyone is a bog standard pit fiend. They cannot hurt the orphan mentally or physically. Problems include roaming paladins, school yard bullies, making sure they get a balanced diet, monsters under their bed, and fey

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>>50879763
You misunderstand stranger, I don't need an idea for a one shot I need an idea of what level to kick the players off at to make the one shot more interesting than goblins and kobolds. The general concept of the one shot has them all fighting a wizard, they all end up teleported to another plane of existence where the sky is falling with all kinds of things that were teleported there. They team up because it's in their common interests to survive together and then a castle falls, inside? A wizard to slay. Basically made it idiot proof so regardless of what they play, they can play together and it's always been fun to think where all the shit wizards teleport away ends up so I made a demiplane which is essentially all the wizards dumping ground.

>>50879786
Where now?

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>>50879763

The pit fiends are also all cute anime girls, and the single orphan is a romantically oblivious teenage boy with black hair.

"I Just Wanted a Normal Girlfriend, but the Devils of the Nine Hells Keep Flirting with Me!" is to receive an anime adaptation in Winter 2017.

>>50879839
I hope the kirino pitfiend is destroyed utterly.

>>50878774
Let's not bully any knights.

Let's talk about the Molthuni knights we like! Where should we start?

>>50879986
But I don't like any molchuuni knights

>>50879606
Warpriest. All the range feats and Startoss Style, Comet, and Shower.

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>>50879986
>>50880013
>yfw 2hu just threw in an app into Molthune

>>50880037
Oh shush

>>50880037
>>50880042
>that fucking backstory

How would you gestalt a Librarian working in a magical archive?

Half Little Witch Academia, half that funny guy from Doctor Strange.

>>50880073
Monk//Wizard, or something along those lines.

>>50880073
Scaled Fist||Oracle

>>50876485
No CHA means no cute.

Them's the rules

>>50876919
The split exposing the thigh is my fetish, especially when the undergarments ride high enough to be invisible from the side (or they just aren't there at all!)

>>50879222
I already had this system in place for humans and other soul-bearing mortals.

>>50879222
>Don't you see, anon? Wiping your memories as you become petitioners are the gods way of keeping you down!

This is already how it worked in Planescape since 2e...

>>50877392
Try to Good Cop as hard as possible while we attempt to magically probe his thoughts. Try to get a really cute PC or NPC to dote on him and hopefully command his loyalty or at least lull him into complacency ASAP. With luck, we'll be able to Detect some useful Thoughts or get a heartfelt confession before too long.

>>50878988
I want to sign an Infernal Contract to obtain a qt Devil bride!

>>50878500
>14 Comeliness wildborn half-elf cleric dude

Not bad for 10 CHA, though he would've been better off if momma had been a proper elf or Drow and not some ooga booga Ekujae

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>>50879264
How has it helped you as a group? Why the love for the system?

I'm already bothered by Tieflings and especially Succubi receiving such a low Comeliness bonus.

Does Molthune permit legally binding fey marriages?

>>50880334
It doesn't matter what Molthune permits as far as the Fey are concerned.

You do not fuck aroud with fey, and if you marry one, it doesn't matter what legalities are in whatever country you are in. Fey rules are beyond the scope of law, order, and chaos - there are only the Rules, and what those rules dictate.

>>50880354
>You do not fuck aroud with fey
Fey Obedience says hi.

>>50880037
OH BOY HERE WE GO

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>>50879839
Nyarko-san already has an anime.

>>50880037
>tfw 2hu is baiting you
"He actually did it, the absolute madman."

>>50880380
You're one of those people who think deities and worship are just mechanical things that get you neat abilities, aren't you...

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>>50880380
"Being supplicant to" is not quite "fucking around."

>>50880037
>30 Disguise at level 3.
>Orator and 27 Linguistics
>mfw

>>50880354
Yes, but could a fey couple benefit from Molthune's tax and inheritance laws like any other married couple?

>>50880421
Depends on what bans, boons, and requirements the fey put on the marriage to begin with.

Fey rules>any laws.

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>>50880413
>30 Disguise at level 3.
>Orator and 27 Linguistics
>mfw

Now you'll never see past the trap!

>>50880037
>>50880409
>>50880413
>>50880449
Say what you will, he has a nicely formatted sheet.

>>50880459
He has fucking bitly links in his sheet.

>>50880467
And? That's easy to reference.

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>>50880449
>imblying I have a problem with that

>>50880459
I am not saying the sheet is bad in itself. It's just somewhat edgy in places, has some animu bullshit and is minmaxed.

>>50880467
More people should do that. I don't because that's kind of a hassle but it is useful.

Also, I finally can make my sheet! Youkai foxwidow Shattered Mind/Dual Disciple Psion, here I come!

>>50880518
>It's just somewhat edgy in places
It gets comfy in the end though. Doesn't that count?

I mean, it'd be kind of inconsiderate to play a veteran who didn't know the horrors of war and couldn't empathize about it...

>>50880413
>>50880449
>never ages
>eternal shota trap
Jesus.

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>>50880518
Oh shit, it's big titty foxwife Anon!
Are you going to marry the immortal shota trap if you get in the game together?

I'd invite 2hu to every game just to generate maximum rage amongst pfg

Congratulations /pfg/, you've created a world in which the kitsune is only the FOURTH worst applicant.

>FLGS pathfinder is full of neckbeards who reek of sweat and grease. They also
can't seem to talk without spitting everywhere
>roll20 pathfinder is full of egelords with sixth grade writing skills
>/pfg/ is full of nothing but autistic furfags and actual faggots
>average online game lasts four sessions before players start flaking seemingly at random or play vidya the whole session
>average physical game lasts six to seven sessions but usually ends with destroyed mini's and terrain.

Well pathfinder, it's been terrible. I'm to find a system that promotes quality communities and a decent relationship between players.

>>50880551
Who are the top three worst?

>>50880553
Me, you, and that guy over there.

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I want to be a foxtaur! How can I make this dream come true?

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>>50880413
>30 Disguise at level 3

Has he ever tried a disguise?

>>50880566
3.x has the tauric template from Expanded psionics. Just take the base race of kitsune and go from there.

>>50880528
Why would you want to be old and gross? Eternal shotas best shotas.

>>50880539
I am not saying no! He's 20, after all, and can decide for himself.

>>50880566
inb4 kys

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>>50880566
Oh shit, is that from the old 2hu token pack? Is there a new one yet?

>>50880579
>I am not saying no! He's 20, after all, and can decide for himself.

Half elf 20 years old = human 15 years old, you pedo.

>>50880553
1) Staypuft, for being illiterate, not understanding rules, making a God awful character, and whinging about 'buh Deadly Agility.'
2) I.Drive for making yet another furry whore, this time one who's supposedly also a noble.
3) 2hu for making a shota trap and then minmaxing the trap.

>>50880552
>tfw ERP campaign online
>tfw ran for the entirety of the skulls & shackles game
>tfw best players I had in forever
I mean, if you don't mind the feeblemind rape and that one player always knocking herself up, ERP players are pretty great.

>>50880593

Dedication to the craft.

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>>50880588
She's over 300 (for now, that may change), she can lend him a few years and make up for that!

>>50880522
He's basically going to make his own comfy Outer Heaven where old soldiers can go and rest.

>>50880624
>4 times older than Molthune and 5 times older than Nirmathas
remove elf

>>50880646
The only humans who could've removed elf have been extinct for centuries

It's all over

>>50880624
>He's basically going to make his own comfy Outer Heaven where old soldiers can go and rest.
2hu's character honestly has the best plan for making the most of all the returning soldiers.

>>50880592
Isn't Staypuft a Roll20 rando who wandered into the game listing?

What's wrong with a SLIGHTLY furry character?

What's wrong with a shota trap?

>>50880593
>Join a comfy erp-allowed game that lasted a year
>All the best players are the ones who were fine with lewds
>All the problem players were the ones who only joined for the gameplay, made minmax characters, then got annoyed and bailed

The lewd players didn't slack in chargen either, all the battles were high power and so good.

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>>50880624
>she can lend him a few years and make up for that!
What did she mean by this?

>>50880675
There's a literal Punished Snake expy applying, and Old Spy undoubtedly has a better plan because DHB has autism enough to challenge 2hu.

>>50880696
Meant to quote >>50880666

>>50880696
What are SNAAAKE and DHB's plans?

>>50880675
1) Still awful.
2) That's a good 80% furry, that's not slightly.
3) There's absolutely no reason for the confusion. You shouldn't have plot holes in chargen.

>>50880727
Hey man, he has +30 Disguise at level 3, he could've gotten away with it.

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I'm trying to work out the downtime rules and I'm pretty sure I just have this all wrong but I have re-read the rules like 3 times at this point and I'm still a little confused.

Regarding the skill checks to earn gp/capital the rules say:
"If you have multiple buildings or organizations in a settlement and they can generate the same kind of capital, you don’t have to roll for them separately— you may add all their capital modifiers together and attempt one check for that kind of capital."

If that is implying that I can make a separate check for each building then why would I ever not make individual checks? Take 3 Garden buildings for example, the each have a +8 bonus for gp generation so as I see it I can add up all the bonuses to 24 and then make a skill check, take 10 = 34 which you then divide by 10 to get 3gp 4sp. Which all makes sense but I don't understand how making separate checks for each room works, if I'm making individual checks for each room wont that add 10+ (for the skill check roll) to each check and therefore +1gp per room if I make the check individually? I'm sure it does work like this but I can't seem to get my head around how it would work. Help a nigga out.

>>50880740
He also has +27 to diplomacy, he should have been able to straighten out any clerical errors.

Unrelated to the shota issue is the way his backstory reflects his character choices. It's not just 'he's a wizard, he casts spells,' it's 'he's a third level wizard so he casts cantrips, first and second level spells,' and 'he's skilled at disguise, probably because of some connection to the fey,' because he has the doppleganger-spawn ART.

>>50880782
It's easy - the rules are broken in favor of the players making ridiculous amounts of money.

>>50880646
That's the beauty of long-lived races. I will have to actually incorporate that into her backstory.

>>50880684
If she's very old and he's barely legal then that cancels out!

>>50880727
>There's absolutely no reason for the confusion.
I have to agree with you, that is just an excuse for being cute.

>>50880799
He talks to a doll and your problem is he never bothered fixing the error?

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>>50880799
>Unrelated to the shota issue is the way his backstory reflects his character choices.
Why is this a problem?
Shouldn't your backstory explain your abilities?

>>50880807
Are you saying that I am correct in assuming that you earn more money making individual checks for each building or are you just expressing your general dislike for the rules?

>>50880823
It should, but you shouldn't have game knowledge in your backstory. Your backstory is the story of your character, not the story of how you picked Orator as a feat.

>>50880838
You're overreacting, I don't see anything that meta in the backstory.

>>50880782
What is the name of this dog breed?

>>50876656

Sleeves of many garments. You can totally obsess about having the cutest costume and decorations, and you save yourself the time for going to the tailor.

I also like to imagine the aquatic cummerbund as a life preserver :) .

>>50880845
It's a shiba.

Or a corgi. Depends on if it has long legs, or stubby little paws.

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>>50880799
>>50880838
Are you saying wizards shouldn't know what kind of spells they can cast?

>>50880844
You're talking to a witch hunter, you'll never convince them.

>>50880844
The italicization of knowledge pendant and escape alarm? The reference to 1st and 2nd circle spells?

>>50880862
I'm saying that spell level is a game term, not a world term.

>>50880844
>>50880862
>>50880864
>He cast cantrips and 1st- and 2nd-circle spells here and there, but with none of the efficient methodology taught by boot camp, wasting the magic on trivialities.

>Lynn was taught in boot camp to conserve a 2nd-circle spell to set an escape alarm around the perimeter, yet he had forgotten such and killed many.

Meta as fuck. Checkmate.

>>50880895
I don't see the issue with that?

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>>50880872
>The italicization of knowledge pendant and escape alarm?
The fuck are people going to call them?
Oh, I'll just take my MAGICAL PENDANT THAT INCREASES KNOWLEDGE and cast my NOISE-MAKING SUPER ALARM SPELL.

What do Chelaxian names sound like? What are their real-world roots?

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>Molthune GM allowed Blood Money for 2hu

Is Molthune GM sucking 2hu's dick?

>>50880918
Romans and shit

>>50880902
You don't italicize them, because why would you?

It's because it's not just a pendant, it's a 'Pendant, Knowledge, wondrous item, 3,100 GP, moderate divination aura, neck slot, 2 lbs, grants a +5 competence bonus to a single knowledge skill and a +10 insight bonus to a single roll once per day.'

It's because it's not just an alarm spell, it's 'Alarm, abjuration, wizard 1, casting time 1 standard action.'

>>50880932
And 2hu doesn't call any game mechanics in the backstory, so what's the problem?

So transmutation magic would allow two women to bear a child, right? I might be rolling up a lesbian knight, but she still needs an heir!

>>50880946
Maybe?

Deals with fey and infernal beings usually work better for that.

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>>50880946
>mfw I will not be the changeling daughter of two mommies

>>50880946
>lesbian
>not deflowering the shota trap

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>>50880960
Doesn't mean you still can't be cute!

>>50880944
That you're missing the point completely. Why are the words italicized?

>>50880980
To make it easier for people to know what they're talking about? It's for reader convenience.

>>50880980
Because Pathfinder italicizes spell and magic item names?

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>>50880980
Are you seriously autisming over ITALICS?

This is the /pfg/iest thing I've seen all day.

>>50880996
They need something to witch hunt about. What else are they to complain about?

>>50880980
>Why are the words italicized?

This general is full of the most pants-pissing little fucking babies, holy shit.

>>50880990
This isn't the game though, this is the backstory.
>>50880984
They wouldn't know about the fact that he can cast a spell if it's not italicized?
>>50880996
I'm trying to explain how the italics are a sign of something else.
>>50881001
Sure, feel free to dismiss it as witch hunting, but I'm trying to demonstrate an oddity in the backstory.

Stop for a second and imagine if you were reading a backstory. It entered a description of a duel and you read 'as he took the field he shifted to an /einhander stance/.' Why is einhander stance italicized? Because he's switching to Scarlet Einhander. But Scarlet Einhander isn't a story thing, it's a mechanics thing. It has no place in the backstory as 'Scarlet Einhander'.

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>>50878222
I think Colette is cute!
I want to do cute things to Colette!!

>>50881038
>those soulless eyes
I think mister is in for an unpleasant surprise.

Most likely involving teeth.

>>50881036
>As he took to the field, he shifted to the _scarlet einhander_ stance.

What the fuck is the problem with this?

It's standard convention in Pathfinder to italicize proper nouns for spells/magic items/maneuvers.

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>>50881036
>Making it easy for players and readers to search for what you're talking about is a red flag
O-oh, okay.

>>50880984
>>50880990
>>50880996
>>50881001
The italics are just one symptom of the backstory being generally shit.

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>>50881036
This guy has it. You don't italicize terms in a backstory.

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>>50881054
You're a symptom of something being generally shit. Ya dork.

>>50881050
Why do they have to search for what you're talking about? You don't need to see the rules behind an item when you're reading a backstory.

>>50881085
Same reason you may need to look up a word while reading.

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>>50881038
Chosen of Sylvarant is not for lewds!

>>50881085
The kid talks to a doll and your problem is the italics?

>>50881090
...What? They don't need to understand 'this item grants a +5 bonus to knowledge (local)' while reading through the backstory.
>>50881098
Wow what a non-sequitur!

>>50881106
>They don't need to understand 'this item grants a +5 bonus to knowledge (local)' while reading through the backstory.
And the backstory doesn't say that.
So fucking what?

>>50881112
You don't need to know what a knowledge pendant does while reading the backstory, so you don't need to italicize 'knowledge pendant' in the backstory.

>>50881128
You seem very upset over nothing. May I recommend drinking, I know it's a bit early but it's helping me deal with your posts. I imagine it could help you with the same.

>>50881128
Then what are you going to call it in the backstory?

>>50881133
I'm a bit frustrated, yes, because I saw something odd in a backstory, something I've never seen before, and when I talked about it people apparently all became idiots.
>>50881143
A pendant. Or even a knowledge pendant.
Without italics.

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>>50881148
Oh no, italics, everyone that doesn't agree with me on how italics are the devil must be an idiot. Here's your (you). Congratulations.

>>50881148
Or maybe we could use standard Pathfinder conventions and italicize it?

>>50881156
What is the purpose of the italics? Can you answer that?

>>50881167
Just to piss you off, apparently.

>>50881164
Standard Pathfinder conventions don't apply to writing your backstory. In your backstory you don't write that your character is a tiefling (Pitborn) paladin (Sacred Servant).

>>50878042
Technically you could do this with the scion of the city archetype or just taking leadership with the feat that lets you share your identity, there's no real reason for an archetype needed here.

>>50881183
They call magic items by italics in the Pathfinder novels.

Checkmate.

>>50881202
>But when did 2hu start writing official pathfinder novels?

>>50881183
What if she's a naive Paladin of Kurgess devoted to Athleticism?

>>50881236
Asceticism. It's asceticism, not athleticism.

>>50881265
Not for Kurgess

>>50881265
Oh, I know all about asceticism. That's when you make art online out of plaintext characters, right?

>>50881265
....that kind if depends, maybe she want to be the strong hardy atheletic type?

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Is it possible to make a good gun-user in Pathfinder without using advanced firearms? Or heck even with them? It seems to me they have the same problem as full plate, with the devs being unable to decide whether to be realistic or game-like, and taking the worst aspects of both as a compromise.

If it's impossible, how'd you go about fixing it for your campaign?

>>50881270
>deific obecience: don't skip leg day

>>50880727
>2) That's a good 80% furry, that's not slightly.

Funny, last time I applied with a character of one of Golarion's Standard Furry Races, I made them closer to 10% even though canon was they range from 20% to 80%, and /pfg/ bitched me out until I changed her to around a 50% furry.

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>>50881285
No, no, the character's supposed to look blankly, not understanding "practicing asceticism" doesn't mean 100 sit ups, 100 push ups and 100 curls every day for 3 years.

>>50881297
Not curls, squats! And don't forget the 10KM run each day.

>>50881286
What's wrong with Full-Plate?

>>50881301
Sorry, I'm not good at asceticism.

>>50881321
Eh, personally I think that 1250 extra and the inability to loot it without paying refitting costs, for what's effectively a +1 bonus to AC over banded mail, is a bit excessive. Not game breaking, but it seems unecessary.

>>50880593

ERP players come in two flavors, godawful and masterworks. You can usually figure out which is which by the end of your first session.

>>50881343
DESU I've never seen anyone use the refitting rules for full plate. I didn't even know they existed for years.

>>50881343
Yeah, well, people are willing to pay 2000 gold for a +1 ring of deflection or +1 amulet of natural armor. those two are worth more because they apply to more scenarios, but if you're trying to maximize your AC, then full plate is fairly worth it.

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Since thread's pretty dead and we're past the bump limit, I figure now's the best time.
Does anyone have any feedback on Seht? Has anyone looked at Seht?

>>50881419
If you're going to do that you should post a link, at least. I won't look at them, I'm not good at that stuff. I can't even keep up with pathfinder material having not even looked at any full book past the CRB.

>>50881427
Oh, sorry. Seht's a character for one of the /pfg/ games that's getting talked about pretty frequently around here.

>>50881295
Remove IDRive faggot furry faggot admitted furry. I bet he fucks his cat and is a pedophile.

>>50881419

He's the horse archer, isn't he?

I like it - no, I love it... But I'm worried about how effective he will be in a campaign like Jade Regent or RotRL, that's a lot of tight spaces and indoor areas!

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>>50881477
You're a bully, you should stop being a bully and start being excellent instead.

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How does it work?
Can I use stealth with it? Would it require additional actions? Will it end at the beginning of my next turn unless I hide behind something else? Will it end earlier if I stab someone?

>>50881498
IDrive deserves bullying! He is a blight on this hobby and needs to learn his place--literally anywhere else.

>>50881549

You can make a stealth check while concealed, and this gives concealment.

>>50881549
You can use stealth with it, since you have concealment/total. It does work until your next turn, in which case you can hide behind something else or start it again (Ask you DM on that if you're see in between.) It may not end earlier if you stab someone else, but you'll still take penalties for stealthing between attacks.

>>50881485
First, yes, and thanks. Second, I was a bit worried about that, but I figured a few things. 1st, any place that can fit a troll or a giant or any other Large or larger creature can fit a horse, 2nd, Mori can squeeze through tight spaces, he just takes a penalty to AC and attack rolls while doing so, and has to move slowly, 3rd, Seht's a full initiator/6th level caster, so even without the advantage of riding Mori I'm sure he'll be plenty strong.

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>>50881562
No, absolutely no one deserves bullying. Ever.

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>>50881562
>tfw IDrive found their way into a game I'm in
>they were completely fine and considerate of not disrupting the party balance and a good person to talk to OOC

>>50881581
Bullying keeps fucking autistic faggots from being too weird; bullying causes them to learn to shut up and deal with it and stop spilling their faggot autism furry bullshit everywhere. If more people were bullied as children we wouldn't have this autism plague today.

>>50881621
Then it is likely you are literally as bad as he is if not worse.

>>50881677
No, bullying is used merely to make the bully feel better. The whole "It's constructive criticism stop that type of behavior" is merely an excuse to say "I wanna be a jerk about it." If there's something about it you don't like then you should ignore it and it'll go away. I often times only hear complaints about things when otherwise they would be out of my mind long forgotten. You're the ones that keep bringing them back up.

>>50880924
He's probably just humoring him. The six page backstory for a level 3 character is not very comfy at all and it's literally a godwizard build that invalidates any need for that avowed and vigilante/hunter combo

>>50881091
Yeah, she's for sacrificing.

>>50881286
There are options, most of them 3pp and roundabout.

1) in reality, within their range, early firearms are stronger than regular advanced if you put the feats into it. Simply put a rifle doesn't do 2d12.

2) as the two largest drawabacks are no stat to damage and the price, the primary bypass is in the form of weapon generator classes.
>Call Weaponry
>Sleeping Goddess
>Armorist Class
>Warsoul

the big advantage of the psi and path of war options is that you know that damage people bitch about being too high on here? that damage you're basically lacking from a firearm? Hi there. combo time.