What does /tg/ think about Drizzt? I saw the collected boxed

>>50814496
Good series, irredeemable fanbase.

>>50814521
Why irredeemable?

I read the Icewind Dale trilogy way back when and some of the ones afterwards...haven't followed WotC or D&D or any of that since. Was surprised to see that Salvatore was still writing.

It's pure nostalgia, of course. And I thought the Icewind Dale PC game was very well done too. I guess he's carried on writing b/c $$$ but as time goes on I think he's less cliche than just iconic, and icons don't really brook well with big and rich character development. But I'm just rambling I suppose.

I like Robert E Howard, too, if that tells you something.

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He seems like the D&D Universe's version of Jace from MtG. A total spotlight-hogging Mary Sue. That's just my speculation though.

>>50814496
Earlier books are decent enough, later ones not so much.

>>50816124

New to the thread, but I quite liked the Hunters Blades. Nothing really original about them, but I think it gets the formula just right. I thought it was far better than say, the Icewind dale stuff.

>>50816089
In what way does he hog the spotlight? I am not aware of him showing up in any FR novel not written by RA Salvatore, and I'm pretty sure he gets two, maybe three mentions at most in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide and the Player's Handbook.

>>50814496
Decent writer. Ok character.

Putrid fanbase, and since he exists, why do the Players even try to beat any of the high level modules in FR? Drizzt would already be doing that. Then again, that's an issue with FR in general, and at least he's not Elminster.

>>50816258
This, actually. He's actually written as the least interesting character in his books. He's more of a plot device than a character, which is why he comes off as a Mary Sue.

>>50816290
>Drizzt would already be doing that

Uh, no he wouldn't? He's one guy in a huge world that has a lot of shit happening. He can't be everywhere at once and do everything at once, and is more often than not wrapped up in his own stuff that's going down. More to the point, he lives up in Icewind Dale for the most part, where news travels slowly - particularly since he likes to spend weeks or even months at a time off in the wilderness, just himself and Gwenhywvar enjoying nature.

The entirety of Horde of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat, for example, could have happened without him ever learning about it until after it was already finished.

To say nothing of events that take place beyond the Sword Coast and the North, which he rarely ranges far from.

You ever play Baldur's Gate? Well, Drizzt shows up in Baldur's Gate at one point, or rather you can stumble across him (the map that he's on is not one you have to enter to complete the game). He's passing through the region on his way to Icewind Dale as part of something else, and will help you kill some gnolls that are attacking you and him anyway. You can literally say to him something to the effect of:

>"Now that you're here, we won't have to worry about the iron crisis anymore!"

And he will respond with something to the effect of:

>"Yes, you will, because I'm busy and have pressing things that I need to deal with up north."

He then gives you some advice on how to deal with the broader world situation, then leaves.

That's Drizzt's role in a campaign, or it should be, if he must show up: dealing with his own shit, but willing to help you with an immediate problem, BUT he's still dealing with his own shit so don't expect him to stick around.

The world is bigger than the PCs, but it's bigger than Drizzt, too.

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Never had an interest. Got the impression that he was a mary sue, though I don't know enough to claim this is a fact.

You guys know anything about this character or the book? I saw a set of these books in a middle aged woman's bedroom, and found the cover mildly interesting. The girl looks cute, and I like stories about cute girls. I thought she looked like female teen Drizzt.

>>50816496
YA garbage

>>50816558
I've enjoyed some young adult shit though. Is this really bad, or just bad because it's young adult?

>>50816496
>i saw a set of these books in a middle-aged woman's bedroom

there's something about this sentence that I just can't put my finger on

>>50816809
Hey, crusty ol' panties aren't going to huff themselves.

>>50816920
well, serves me right for asking i suppose

>>50814496
I've never given a shit about Drizzt himself as a character, but I've always liked Pwent, Jaraxle, Athrogate, and even Entreri post heel-face turn.

>>50814496
I don't think he's as big of a Mary Sue as people made him out to be, honestly.

>>50816089
Man he exists in Forgotten Realms. Every single NPC is a spotlight-hogging Mary Sue.

>>50814496
>Salvatore is a good writer, like he's not anything to rave about but him and Raymond E. Feist are responsible for getting me into fantasy and I guess by extension D&D.

Drizzt is actually a decent character, he's in effect a PC so obviously is prodigious in some way, that being he's one of the best swordsmen on the sword coast. He does get a bad rap because he was copied over and over and over and people expected to get the same feeling but the thing about Drizz't is his stories weren't about him physically getting stronger he was already right up there, it was his emotional development and experiences on the surface as well as his origin coming back to haunt him. His supporting cast is also strong in itself, each of the characters could probably be the focus of their own book and still be good.

>>50814496

I sort of miss the days of mass Drizzt clones.

>>50816089

That isn't Elminster.

>>50816809
They need the love of young ones too.

>>50816089
If you don't have anything to contribute you don't have to post faggot.

>>50814496
I mean my only real personal gripe with the Driz man is that the last time I walked past a fantasy isle in the book store there was a distinct lack of any FR books that didn't have him on the cover, or really a distinct lack of FR books. I recall there always being a huge section of them back in the day. From what I know of the FR it has more to do with them pulling that hard reset 4e nonsense that killed off everyone but him or some shit, and then they revived all his dead friends or something because whatever. I guess it's like when comic books do a reboot and throw out 40 years of writing but then never actually reboot anything and the have Drowperboy Prime somehow survive into the reboot universe so you can base all your stuff on him and then revive all his friends because nothing fixes mistakes like time travel and spontanious resurection, JEEEAAN!

Meh. Some of the books are good, others... not so much. I suppose it's a decent series, overall, I just can't be bothered to pick it up again. Always preferred Cunningham's FR books, anyway.

I loved reading them as a kid/teenager, now not so much.

I stopped roughly before the netherese/spell plague shenanigans happened and I'm glad I did. Quality and overall story telling suffered as Bob kept writing Drizzt, hell even the original party supposedly died and all came back to life, just like my animus.

That aside I did thoroughly enjoy the sellsword series featuring Jarlaxle and Artemis, much better written characters/campaigns/settings.

On a semi-related note- can anyone recommend some DnD style fantasy books? I'm getting into a game and could do with some inspiration.

>>50816809
The honest truth is that I was simply working as her house cleaner, at the time.

Honestly Op they're worth a reread, he gets a bad rap mostly because of all the edgelord faggots pout there who tried and failed to copy him as a character because Drizz't hates attention, he's very easy-going and a little overly angsty at times but he never dwells in the angst, he accepts it and moves on. I've never understood why out of all the characters he's the mary sue, cuz that's fucking Wulfgar he was the original main character, til WOTC and R.A. figured out Drizzt was more interesting.

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>>50816392
He also appears in BG2 when you're hoping to infiltrate a vampire-filled necropolis, and he is the worst tag-along NPC ever.

He's invincible, and rushes forward whenever an enemy is spotted, literally waking the dead and getting groups of enemies rushing towards you before you have a chance to get off more than a single spell, while offering lines like "STRIKE TOGETHER, FRIENDS!" and otherwise being an absolute prat.

>>50820189
hot

>>50820919
He's invincible, just wait a safe distance away he'll take care of most of it.

>>50820919
There's apparently a bit of leftover code there, he's supposed to encounter Artemis Entreri and the two of them spend the encounter fighting each other, but Entreri apparently got cut. Drizzt's dialogue for seeing him is still in the game though.

>>50816089
>Spotlight hogging
>In his own series
>That features many sections for the perspective of other characters
Didn't read it don't judge it. The only reason you think he's a mary sue is because when he first appeared he was so fucking cool that everyone wanted to be him and he's had that reputation ever since.

A mary sue is someone jammed into a different person's story and explained by the writer as being the best. Drizz't is the main character of his own story and he was so interesting and cool that everyone who read the books thought he was the best. He's the literal literary opposite of a mary sue.

>>50816693
Tamora Pierce is YA and her writing is fantastic and there are lots of other great YA books. Are you saying it's shit because it's YA or just that it's YA and also shit? Because if it's the first then I'm inclined to give it a chance because you probably just have shit taste but if it's the second I'll probably still check it out because the cover looks hot in an angsty 90's hot topic kinda way.

>>50821979
Hell, he hates having the spotlight in his own books, it's so fucking unbelievably stupid that /tg/ doesn't know what a Mary Sue actually is, and throws that mantle onto any more competent than usual character.

>>50814496
His books are the equivalent of fantasy pop corn. Fun but nothing to ponder about. Although I have no idea why Bob made Cattie Brie such a bitch since she came back.

>>50822058
He didn't she's pretty pleasant except for the "where's the babies room" shit.

>>50822040
In the interest of fairness, I do believe he is regarded as the best swordsman in the Forgotten Realms. Then again, Inigo Montoya is the best swordsman in Europe during the events of the Princess Bride, but no one calls him a Mary Sue. Because being a swordsman is the only thing Inigo is actually good at, and in everything else he's got average to below-average competence.

And it's the same with Drizzt. He's never labeled as an exceptionally skilled ranger. He knows smatterings of magic, but only because every drow warrior receives some magical training.

He's good at stabbing things. If you don't need things stabbed, his skill set pretty much ends.

>>50822274
>I do believe he is regarded as the best swordsman in the Forgotten Realms.
Sixth best.

>>50820030
Seconded. Just starting a new game and I last read DnD-esque fantasy in middle school with Dragonlance.

>>50822284
Technically Greenwood, said the differnece between all those fighters on his list were, literally like so small as to not even be practical to call any of them less proficient than any of the others, all of them have perfect technical skill, it's the other qualities of a swordsmen where the differences lie, at least that's what i got from that post on candlekeep.
>>50822274 Yeah, that's true.

>>50822358
True, just thought it was worth noting that he's not the definitive best.

>>50822397
It was, and he is I think the only swordsmen on the list who lives anywhere near the sword coast, so he's most likely the best in that general area.

>>50822608
>Well, now. “Swordsmen” you say, so I’m going to narrow my reply down to: male living (not dead or undead) humans.
>I’m going to further qualify my reply by saying that among the most skilled masters of bladework, “best” becomes a matter of opinion regarding style, and the average observer can’t identify (let alone properly interpret) most subtle differences because they’re either dead too quickly, or too dazzled by things that happen too swiftly for them to see properly and too deftly for them to measure or grasp the implications of (matters of shifting a foe just a little off balance, or forcing a movement in stance or location, that will lead to a killing stroke three or four maneuvers later).
>Moreover, “best” is a steadily shifting title, even when one sets aside divine and magical meddling, because (as with real-world tennis) youthful speed and acrobatic suppleness, plus freedom from injuries and the slowing and crippling effects of aging (on, say, the human knee), must always be balanced against the experience gained in duel after duel after battle: young swordsmen are always rising to the fore, but only step into the ranks of the “best” when those more expert through real-life practice grow too slow to defeat the most skilled younglings (or the younglings overcome their inexperience).
>I’m also going to restrict myself purely to matters of bladework, in a one-on-one fight in surroundings that favour neither combatant. In other words, I’m minimizing “street smarts” or dirty fighting or the adventurers’ experience in exploiting traction, lighting, obstacles, distractions, and all of that: factors that seasoned adventurers (like Durnan of Waterdeep) can use to defeat foes who might be a shade faster or a whit better in pure bladework. This will work against Artemis Entreri, for example, but also against a host of other adventurers whom I won’t even mention in this reply, but who might otherwise show up in my answer

>>50822665
Oops, for >>50822358

But yes, Drizzt is probably more or less the best around the Sword Coast, though one guy from Waterdeep (Srace Telthorn) is also on the list, and Methrammar Aerasume (2nd) lives in Silverymoon, which while not the Sword Coast is still "the North" (Drizzt's general stomping grounds).

It's an interesting list.

>>50822665
There was more to the post, he opened it up later on to include elves and other races, drizzt was 6 on that list, and so he's 3rd in that general area, also bear in mind that list was pre-spellplague.

>>50822734
Sorry forgot to link you in>>50822800

>>50822800
So, in short, Drizzt isn't a Mary Sue, because in the only area where he is exceptionally skilled, he's not even the best.

>>50822878
Yeah, but drizzt's main advantage against any human swordsman is his agelessness as an elf, they'll get slower much more quickly than he will

>>50823056
Kind of not relevant while in the middle of a fight, though.

>>50823092
Never once said it was, because as Ed pointed out, the differences between all these fighters wasn't in technical skill but in the speed of youth and the slowing down of age.

>>50814496
here let me sum up every book thread eer
>hey have you heard of this series i really liked
>UNGA BUNGA MARY SUE
>MARY SUE
/tg/ hates fun

>>50823162
That certainly sounds like /tg/.

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Artemis and Jarlaxle books>>>>Drizzshit books

>>50823519
Fuck off they're still Drizzt books.

>>50823519
Not really. Artemis is a pretty boring character and his development isn't really handled very well.

>>50823569

>Not even in them

They're the hijinks of evil adventuring parties. Much better than the garbage that is drizzle plots.

>>50823625

Not really. Going into Artemis' backstory and his interactions with Jarlaxe make for much better reading because Drizz is boring.

>>50822022
Right? She looks like one of the girls I bullied but secretly liked in middle school.

>>50823643
Too bad Artemis is at least as boring as Drizzt if not moreso.

>>50814496
Unfiltered garbage after the first couple of books

>>50823686

Nah

>>50823626
Oh so you're a fucking edgelord. and they're listed under the same section on R.A.'s website, they originated with drizzt they're drizzt books.

>>50822022
Pierce is viewed through nostalgia goggles for most people, and Maas is still not near that level. It's tons of "omg I can't tell if my hot captor is evil or I want to bang him"

>>50819470
>each of the characters could probably be the focus of their own book and still be good.

Wulfgar's story got too emo and whiny. I have no idea if he ever got himself together though since the last one I read had Drizzt fighting that orc king.

Really bad.

The prequels or whatever where he's living among the drow were better than everything else, iirc. They're still pretty bad.

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>>50823639
I unironically think this should be official canon.

>>50826218
He's jolly good fellow now. A shame his pal Morik is long dead.

>>50826375
Did Regis ever become relevant beyond his one magical trinket?

>>50826421
Fuck yes he turned into a badass post reincarnation.

>>50826431
Could you elaborate?

>>50814496
He makes me feel funny things in my pants. The first book with him as a character was read way back in middle school. I think that's where my fetish for elves comes from.

>>50826450
No but i could link you to my google drive with most of the books post resurrection, if you'd like.

>>50826537
I'm on 4chan, you know I have time to waste

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WHO ORC HERE?

>>50826567
Do you have a temp email or something i don't know how to link it or give you permission without emailing it.

>>50823519
Drizzt is eyecandy for people who just want a quick fap/shlick. Jarlaxle is romance for people who want a convoluted plot to get off to.

>>50823639
I fucking love this, could you imagine what would have happened if Drizzt's House had capitalized on this instead of trying to cover it up?

>who is that male with the purple eyes?
>don't even think about it, sister. That is Drizzt, he's a halfwit, but he is blessed by Lolth, and thus has supernatural fighting abilities. If you disturb his infantile emotions he will destroy you and your house.

>>50826827
They tried he destroyed them,

>>50826567
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxsUR9QAHo68MDI2TUhCLXFpMzg/view?usp=sharing
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>>50826567
You get them?>>50827467 they're Epub files so i hope you have a reader for them.

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>>50826450
I will
When all of the characters got reincarnated Regis resolved to git gud and learned to fight and became a fencer and also a much better thief than he was in first life and somewhere along the line pissed off a lich with his larceny.

He's also got enough water-elemental blood in him that he gets huge bonuses to swimming and constitution checks involving holding his breath and avoiding the bends from diving.

>>50823519

This guy knows truth

After reading the most recent Drizzt book the mary sue factor was over the top cringe worthy.
Not just for Drizzt but the his entire Companions of the Hall circle jerk party

I won't spoil the book for those who want to read it but unholy shit the way every one of them are immune to death and meaningful failure is fucking painful.

And the way RA writes about how legendary Drizzt is, how everyone wants his Delf dick how he's capable of fucking anything just made me perpetually roll my eyes in disgust.

Don't read below if you don't want spoilers
By the end of the book he's a fighter/ranger/barbarian/monk and its suggested that he may be influencing lolth, the fucking personification of evil and chaos, to shift alignment towards CN if not CG

>>50831861
Okay I've fucking read the book too, and it's a little cringey, yeah, but the primary protagonist going completely batshit insane with no known cure, deserves some leeway, as for the death immunity you supposedly saw, all of them getting away from their respective predicaments was perfectly believable, if improbable, and as for Lolth, Drizz't alone couldn't do that, and he didn't even try, he just refused to bow to her will. Why didn't she kill him? I have no idea, she is the lady of chaos, after all. I suspect though that the little drow bitch-queen had something to do with it, as she too refused to follow Lady Lolth's orders, on threat of worse fates than death. Even knowing all that it's not even close to certain, because Drizz't's extraordinary life alone has caused something of a paradigm shift among the drow, at least among the males in Menzoberranzan and Gods in FR rarely go directly against their followers wishes, because, as you know, unless you're an idiot, gods need their followers worship and prayer to live. Finally, It's the probable end of the character and novel line thanks to WoTC, so Bob had to rush and compact about six originally planned novels into these last three, so considering that R.A Did very well, with what he was given.

>>50831861
Lolth isn't the personification of evil and chaos. She likes to think and act like she is, but in truth she's a big fish in a small pond (the small pond being Underdark deities as a whole; or the elf and drow pantheons as a whole. She's in two ponds simultaneously).

She's nowhere near the most powerful Chaotic Evil deity in the Realms.

>>50832268
She took over a large portion of the abyss while demogorgon was playing in the Underdark, big power increase.

>>50832585
Gods derive their power from worship, though. Lolth's worship has if anything been on the decline. One imagines she keeps making power plays in the Abyss as a failsafe in case she gets demoted from "goddess" to mere "demon lord".

>>50831861
I think the problem with RAS and Lilith is his ignorance, deliberate or otherwise, of the existence of other deities. Early on sure, but at this point he should really have a better idea of things.

>>50814496
I liked killing him in the BG games, does that count?

>>50833121
Still Demogorgon is on the level of the Gods easily if not at least equal to an intermediate deity, so Lolth stealing his strongest Demonic supporters domains within the abyss would definitely help her power up some and hurt him and if she stole his place oh that's a fight i'd want to see.
>>50833230
It's not ignorance RAS, basically crafted the drow's society from nothing when he created drizzt, and within Menzoberranzan, even if you secretly worship Vhaeruan or Eilistraee, how the fuck are you gonna let anyone ven a heretic like Drizzt find out? why would you trust anyone?
>>50833231
No, it doesn't.

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Bad books that I love deeply.

Has anyone else gotten to meet RA Salvatore? I got him to sign my books once and talk to him. He wrote a roleplaying game but it looked kinda bad, I really hope he didn't over hear me telling my friend that. He was pretty chill tho, let me take a pic with him and everything.

>>50826586
Obould was an interesting character, an Orc who was trying to take his people from scattered tribes of warring savages and make them into an actual kingdom that was at least somewhat civilized
The fact that he was also blessed by Gruumsh with super-strength as well as being made outright smarter than all the other Orcs was a bonus

>>50816187
Icewind Dale was still when Wulfgar was meant to be the main character, but people loved Drizzt and his mystery so much that Salvatore ended up changing Drizzt to the MC and Wulfgar to a supporting character.
I really like the Drizzt beginning stories the best, they were the 4-6th that he wrote I think? They made me fall in love with the D&D world and especially Drow in general.

I'm one of those faggots that likes to play Drow characters when I can, but can ya fuckin blame me? Whether I'm playing an evil Drow or a more neutral renegade they offer a lot of variety on traditional elfyness. Plus they're good at duel wielding and I'm a sucker for that. What's better than one overpowered enchanted sword after all.

The Drizzt saga made me appreciate evil races in general though. They don't have to just be fodder and James Bond villains and that's all I'd ever been exposed to growing up beforehand. Faceless hordes of goblin fodder and the like, and Drow were my first experience of manipulative, cruel, yet still reasonable evil that can hold off on the killing long enough to form a society.

>>50827467
Can someone type out what order these books go in, plot wise, please?

>>50835224
https://www.google.com/search?q=legend+of+drizzt+chronological+order&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

>>50836148
Thanks!

>>50835224
>>50836148
A lot of those lists ignore side books for some fucking reason which is a shitty idea because:
1) Reading Ghost King without reading the Cleric Quintet is a bad idea, half the characters in that book are from the Quintet and Ghost King wraps up most of their stories.
2) Ignoring Jarlaxle and Entreri's trilogy is skipping one of the better segments of the story and also their hi-jinks come up a few times in the main story.
3) Also, you miss the pretty cool short story where Entreri and Jarlaxle shank a spook which is when Entreri gets his inability to age out of the series in spite of being a human and not an elf.

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/33hdn7/question_about_the_reading_order_of_r_a/
Seems to be the best list, the redditor claims it's from Bob himself.

>>50838888
To be fair Bob tends to explain certain plot elements from previous books when they're brought up within a paragraph or so.

>>50835224
Um I had them numbered in Chronological that's my Google drive.

>>50838888
I never read the Cleric Quintet and the Ghost King was a perfectly concise and readable book. Sure, I might have missed some of the sub context but it's hardly necessary to need that context. The books were created to be a Drizzt book first and a Quintet book second.

>>50814496
The Drizzt novels aren't bad, and the character itself isn't bad either. It's the hideous overexposure and stupidity of the fanbase that's the problem.

>>50820030
I love the Cleric Quintet. Don't care what anyone says, Cadderly is awesome.

>>50842013
This is true, a lot of the fanbase is fucking retarded. I know he was popular pre-spellplague, but he wasn't basically the only novel line they had, and isn't that where the over exposure come from?

>>50822040
However, Drizzt is a good example of what should happen when a high level Martial gets in a fight. The enemy may have magical bullshit at his command, but the idiot is inside ten feet, so it's pretty much a done deal already.

>>50842089
Oh hell yeah, That's what I've always said, although that's only against arcane for him, against divine magic he seems a bit underpowered.

>>50834799
IIRC, his plan also WORKED. Mithral Hall withstood Obould, but only barely. The north is now dominated by a LN/LE orcish warrior kingdom thats not just fielding disciplined armies, but is engaging in trade (even with Mithral Hall!) and entering into marriages of power and wealth to strengthen it's political position.

>>50842205
Yeah, it did, until Wizards Of The Coast told Bob to undo it all, and I can't imagine he was very happy with that.

>>50819470
The first book in his newer series entirely follows Bruenor, Catti Brie, and Regis, one of my favorite entries in the series, up there with the Enteri/Jarlazle spin off

>>50842386
You mean The Companions, yes?

>>50842205
That's the best part it was Forgotten Realms progressing as a setting and not being held to a status quo or at least it was until >>50842242

>>50843505
Why did they do that? it just seemed fucking retarded, even while I was reading it, I agree'd with Drizz't's appraisal of the situation, and nobody else within the story did, it was weird and seemed like BS.

>>50842013
>>50842057
So it's basically the Forgotten Realms equivalent of Invader Zim? Awesome show, absolute cancerous fanbase?

>>50844207
Somewhat yes, although it's not like you see the fans very often because people shitpost to kill any mention of this beautiful representaion of a character, the cancer is that people think drizzt is an edgefag (because of all the imitators AKA the fan cancer) and not simply an excellent warrior who happened to come from a place where goodness and kindness and compassion are in very short supply, so short he probably shouldn't logically exist, but many excellent characters from all sorts of fiction have similarly unlikely origins.

i read the first around 5ish books.

its just...tedious.
you understand there is a story going on but its neither compelling nor written very well. its just mediocre in every aspect

>>50844903
No, anon. It is you who are mediocre in every aspect.

Like Tolkien if it inspires a young child to write and engage in reading more, then it is a fantastic thing and should be heartily encouraged. If it is a 20+ man judging the merits of teen fiction then I hope he is bayoneted to a trench wall when we have to fight off the Islamist Armu.

>>50845458
Nobody does trench warfare anymore, man.

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>>50845616
True, but the alleys of our marvelous (and much coveted cities) will become the new trench lines. Either way I hope spergs get bayoneted, crying.

>>50845743
By whom? and in what country? I live in america, hate Trump but I know there's no fucking way any Islamic countries are getting a major foothold militarily, politically, or in any other way than because they're oilfags, over here.

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>>50846028
Europistan, though there is no reason beyond fear mongering to hate Trump.

>>50816290

There are plenty of people in FR who could swipe Drizzt aside like nothing and never think of it again. Elminster is another story but even he is bested several times he just so happens to be saved by the goddess of magic. Sure a get out of jail free card gets old but without his goddess he is just another archmage.

>>50846049
Oh, go back to /pol/ with your shit-posting, that said, I didn't say fear I said HATE, because I know he's going to fuck up my country, and listening to the things he has actually said, he rarely makes sense and his entire political ideology is stupid and 95% of his mission statement is ILLEGAL under The Constitution of The United States of America.

>>50846067
Who cares if there are more powerful people than him? FR isn't a dick measuring contest, and Drizz't probably wouldn't fight most of the people who you mention, but do not name, so people can't correct you.

>>50839826
>>50841963
Absolutely true, but it's still better to read a book where a bunch of adventurers you know capstone their careers then to read a book where that Drizzt helps that one character that briefly shows up in Passage to Dawn along with those dwarves that helped in the war in the Hunter's Blade's Trilogy.

Something that bothered me reading this series was how arbitrarily Drizzt got mad and relapsed into his Hunter state. Like I understand thinking Guenhwyvar died was enough, thinking Bruenor died was enough, but in between those he thinks Regis was murdered and doesn't bat an eye, yet when Guenhwyvar gets hurt a bit and goes back to its home plane (as in, completely fine) it's enough?

>>50846382
Does it require the same level of stimulus for you to get mad every time you get mad, and the Hunter is just anger it's described by Drizz't as a state of perfect focus, that is half serenity and half rage, this is oddly applicable in the real world because I've noticed weirdly that anger is a great motivator.

>>50846461
isn't just anger*>>50846461

>>50846191

Szass, Larloch. I was answering the guys question not starting an argument.

>>50846792
Okay but Larloch is also a Chosen of Mystra and doesn't really do anything but study magic, literally until the end of 4e and isn't he dead now anyway?
As for Szass Tam, Drizzt isn't stupid and wouldn't bother going that far away to deal with something that doesn't affect him, because he and others stopped the creation of a dread ring by Szass's minions near Neverwinter which is near Drizzt's new home of Gauntylgrym? That's cool that you didn't want an argument, neither do I, but you made an assertion that was dismissive of the character and provided no examples of these characters who would swipe Drizzt aside, other than Elminster, and Elminster wouldn't fight Drizzt anyway as you implied.

>>50847035

I love Drizzt he is great the guy I was responding too said why would anyone else bother trying to save the world if Drizzt can do it all. I was only saying Drizzt can't do it all and in fact is below the notice of many powerful beings esp outside of his little corner of the world.

>>50847174
Oh I know, I was just discussing and giving reasons for why he'd stay away from these thing, idk why every discussion on 4chan is taken as an argument, but I was discussing it, not trying to argue.

>>50847264

I def think Drizzt could be a thorn in the side to even the most powerful beings but put in the same room with them hes done, unless he is in fact the Chosen of Lolth and she decides to step in.

>>50847353
Oh yeah he could be but, he isn't a Chosen of Lolth, she's his crazy divine stalker, he's never actually had divine help directly from her, by proxy through her priestesses and in the last book by proxy through her Chosen, Yvonnel Baenre the second, yes but never directly because a Chosen by definition must worship said God.

>>50847492


True, but she is the Goddess of chaos after all and saving Drizzt from certain death just to ensure the chaos that is his life does not end, would not be above her imo.

>>50820030
Obviously, Tolkien, as is required reading for /tg/. Wheel of Time series if you have, well, time for it. Avoid Game of Thrones, it's not very /tg/esque and Martin is a massive faggot. Honestly, I don't read a whole hell of a lot of fiction. I'm more of a SciFi reader. If you're looking for that, I'd recommend the Dune series as well as Starship Troopers (which is FAR better than the movie and almost completely different) and pretty much any of the expanded universe Star Wars novels before the Mouse axed them. The last one is more of a guilty pleasure tee bee aich.

>>50847756
>don't read a whole hell of a lot of fiction
fantasy* fiction

>>50847669
All true, for him though she's definitely like this crazy stalker ex, that just won't leave him alone, even though every time she makes some kind of gesture you get hurt, Chaos or not Lolth is a crazy bitch, and needs some fucking help.

>>50847781


I would love to read a book about some unknown evil plotting in the North, Drizzt of course comes to the rescue and finds the culprits lair upon entering its Larlock back from (wherever he was) and back in control of his 100ish Liches. Larlock pwns Drizzt but before his death Lolth saves him. Larlock survives the encounter but then makes it his life mission to bring untold destruction to all of Lolths worshipers and Allies. Larlock and his liches vs Lolth and her demons/drow.

>>50847909
That'd be interesting but i believe Wotc discontinued the novel line. If not they may have fired Bob, if that's the case I'll never read Drizzt under a different author.

>>50847990


I would also love to read a story about Nevron (who was turned into a Mane and sent to the abyss by Szass) somehow over come that and return as a lord of the abyss and seek revenge against Szass.

>>50844399
>but many excellent characters from all sorts of fiction have similarly unlikely origins.

I always have to point that out to my friends, both as a DM and as a player. Adventurers, by their very nature, are outliers. Taking to the roads to make a living off skill, wit, and violence is not something the vast majority of people would ever consider. It is however, a choice many people on the skids or tossed aside have open to them.

So it's as adventurers and mercenaries where one finds the strange and unknown among peoples. The genasi and good-aligned drow. The assimar rouges and tiefling paladins, or the changeling warriors and ratfolk clerics.

Most occupations will be filled by the "classic" races. but the strangers ones are by no means unknown.

>>50848101
I don't understand how this concept isn't understood by anyone, and the moment someone encounters a character they don't like they come out with calling them a Mary Sue as if it's true, keeping what you've said in mind really helps you look at every character without prejudice and bullshit related to nostalgia.

>>50848101
I meant understood by everyone* there >>50848542

>>50832268

>most powerful Chaotic Evil deity in the Realms

GRUUMSH

>>50823639

I haven't read every Drizzt book, but from what I remember, some drow was theorizing that Lolth put up with his shit because he created loads of chaos within Menzoberranzan, which she fucking loves. AFAIK there was no actual confirmation, just the musings from one drow to another.

>>50846156
>Liking Trump is shitposting

I'm being censored

help

>>50849088
Telling you to go back to /pol/, provided you are the same anon I was talking to, isn't censoring you, it's just telling you to go back to nigger-jew-cuck ghetto of trump supporters on /pol/.

>>50849141

Quit shitposting. You're being just as big a /pol/tard just by making a huge deal about whatever candidate someone supports.

>>50849189
I didn't, I only ever stated that I hated trump, and why, never made a huge deal about it, dude. read the fucking thread before you post though certainly helps clarify things.

>>50848930
She is a personification of Chaos though, that's not even in Gruumsh's portfolio, and he was originally Lawful Evil.

>>50846382
Guen was his only friend and lifeline to sanity for decades before he met Bruenor. He takes threats to her very seriously.

>>50847035
Mystryl, not Mystra, but he's not dead, he just went off somewhere when his scheme failed.

>>50849567
Since Mystra is Mystryl, so your distinction is pointless, and thanks for the info on Larloch.
>>50849551
Only about 17 years give or take one or two, not multiple decades.

>>50849567
Reminder that the only thing keeping Larloch from redeveloping silver fire and all the powers current Chosen get in addition to his own was that it would have made him momentarily vulnerable to his servitor liches while he did it. He doesn't have that problem any more.

>>50849330

Not since 1E gramps.

>>50850360
It was that way in 2e and I'm only 25 I just know a lot about FR.

>>50849605
Seventeen years without any other person to communicate with. Sure, he could talk TO Guen, and could understand her facial expressions and body language. But he could never have meaningful in depth conversations with her. Hell, she doesn't even have sign language. Not only that, but she wasn't around all the time. She has to return to her astral plane and stay there most of the time.

I dunno man, seventeen years is a long long time to not only be incredibly isolated, but also having to constantly be under threat from all of the dangers of the uncharted Underdark.

Drizzt is lucky he's not batshit insane. And that is entirely thanks to what little aid Guen's presence gave him.

>>50851283
He was only completely alone for Ten, because after ten years he surrendered to Blingdenstone, but everything else yeah you got it.

>>50850098
Good reminder.