Warhammer 40,000 general

Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

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Any genestealer cult players thing this is a good start?

Would Tempestus be a decent faction to ally in a Skitarii army? Use the Scions as suicide melta squads and let the Vanguard ride in the Tauroxes?

Or should I just go Cybernetic Cohort?

>while an independent character is part of a unit, he counts as part of that unit for ALL rules purposes

>Independent characters can be deployed with units attached to them

>Alpha legion insurgency force cult uprising places a unit that is identical in terms of the original number of models, including upgrades.

>Lost and the damned does the same.

Does this mean that I can stick a sorcerer with the mind veil into a cultist unit and potentially double the number of mind veils in my army?

>>50797570

Is this a new meme?

>>50797571
>~140 models
>a start
You what, mate?

>>50797652
All I know is that I AM ALPHARIUS

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Do you have problems with your local store /tg/?

I've been having trouble going to mine and I'm wondering what you would advise. I honestly think the manager at the store I play at hates his regular customers.
>6 painting tables, 3 gaming tables
At this point it was perfect, people always came down with a small box of paints just to do some work on their guys, talk to people and maybe get a game. but then...
>manager removes two painting tables
>removes a gaming table
>moves one gaming table to the dark corner of the store
>introduces this awful booking system that forces you to call him up in advance otherwise you're not allowed anything
Then last weekend this happened to me
>go in last thing friday before closing, manager isn't in
>2/4 painting tables booked, I book a third for first thing saturday
>it's completely empty other
>come in saturday and my friend who was also there wants a game before christmas hits and we won't see each other for a bit
But when I asked him if we could use a table he gets quite angry at us
>tells us we should have met up booked a table in advance
>lies and tries to make us feel guilty about having to turn so many people who wanted to book painting stations
>tells us we have have it if we want but we're not allowed to book any more painting for awhile
The place is a graveyard these days, no one goes anymore and I think it's due to these changes. I just don't understand why he made them.

What do you think?

>>50797690
NO IM APLHARIUS!

>>50797692
Yeah that sounds stupid.

My local GW basically goes "if you call in, it's reserved" but otherwise first-come, first-serve.

>>50797692
Fuck that guy, he deserves to have his place torched. Find a new place and leave that faggot in the dust.

>>50797712
WHO YOU CALLIN PINHEAD

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Hit me.

>>50797692
My LGS is great. Not super busy, but 3 game tables, a painting table, the card game area (which usually has 2+ tables open to paint at), no advance booking required, 300+ pieces of painted terrain for free use. The owner is struggling business-wise, but he's still good to us. The only reason I pay full price for GW plastic is to support him.

>>50797692

If it isn't a Games Workshop store, I would just go somewhere else or start investing in my own gaming table at home. You can make a gaming table out of any number of household items. Theres nothing sacred about going to a game store for your games other than to support the local business, and the owner doesn't sound like he wants to keep his business.

>>50797671
Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

>>50797750
I own a Taurox and have personally seen a friend's Goliath. They're very similar in scale, the Goliath is slightly larger (and has the open deck). You could manage it.

>>50797773
thanks, my dude

So it seems the best way to go if im doing the Nurgle Vecotrium formation is to use a chaos warband instead of the plague colony? But my precious plague marines!

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>>50797750

I have both, but I'm not going to tell you.

Whats the most OP faction at the moment?

>>50797678
What would you reccommend.

>>50797799
Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

>>50797692
I've only been to the one LGS I always have, it's older than I am and the owners are math and biochem professors.

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>>50797750
Taurox on the bottom, base plate of the Goliath chassis on the top, to scale.

>>50797817
some fucking vehicles, you nerd

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>>50797822

I have both, but I'm not going to post a picture.

>>50797833
oh, cool, they're pretty close, it looks like.
Thanks

>>50797595
fluffwise it'd have a purpose, used to be skitarii was always described as having hellguns and carapace armor. Give em vanguard heads and it'd make sense, at least as far as old fluff was concerned.

Competitve? Probably not, but it'd look pretty fucking cool to see admech troops dropping/teleporting in to take out targets as your regular skitarii start moving in.

>>50797843
genestealer cult vechiles arent very good. do you plat them?

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>>50797692
My LGS is actually cool as fuck. Nobody is a sperg lord, the manager gives me and my wife free swag non stop (probably because i never purchase less than 50 bucks worth of shit but still) and is the type of dude that maintains a friendly atmosphere.

Only real rules are you have to have a rulebook and can only use GW models which I can respect.

Bro, your store manager is a niggerfaggot and you need to call in and get him fired.

>>50797847
Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

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>>50797817
Starting with less that 140 models. 1500 isn't a starting point, it's a finish line.

Also, what the fuck, Captcha.

>>50797652
no the sorcerer doesn't join the formation

>>50797571
I think you're going to regret having no shooting of consequence.

>>50797865
They're just fine. They do their job. Transports get infantry where you want them and Leman Russes have always been solid. Infantry spam is gonna get mowed down fast, especially if your opponent has any artillery at all

Can somebody give me a pic of a taurox or a goliath truck next to a pair of LEGAL titties? Or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, are titties really nice looking?

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>>50797534
Come at me.

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>i just finished painting 1200 pts of wolves
>i have nothing left to paint
>guess i better buy some more shit

>>50797877
>The machines have become too smart to be fooled by visual defenition questions, they now need to be fooled by emotional questions

Men of Iron when?

>>50797902
sorry, I only play 1500 point games

>>50797795
It's unfortunate, but the chaos war band is far and away better than 7000 plague Marines.

If you want plague Marines, consider a CAD

>>50797908
The cycle continues

>>50797908
Where you are right now is where I aspire to be. I have such a big back log. I want to be at a point where I can mix and match my army as much as I want and it's all created. Then I want to buy more for more options and then start collecting another army.

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>>50797902
>play a 2250 point game
>play a 1500 point game and jack off later

Tough call on how to spend a thursday afternoon

>>50797936
2250.
Save it for Saturday/Sunday.
Santa Claus is cumming to town.

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>>50797900
You never said the shirt had to come off

So what is everyone's sort of middle ground point average? 1500? I know 1750/1850 is tourney limit, right? Do you ever run 2000 points or more on the regular?

Is shooting for 1000 points built, based, and painted too low of a goal? Or is 1500 built and left grey more accepted.

>>50797962
please be london

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>>50797908

Beep boop, fuck the loyalists.

My Diaz Daemonettes shipped last night. I'm excited.

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>>50797968
I like to do between 750-1000 mostly but generally 1500 is my cutoff. Aint nobody got time to spend all day at the store.

>>50797968
My favored point bracket, and what I built for, is 1000 points. I have provisions up to 1850, and it's required to field the core unit of my army fluff-wise, but 1850pt games take too long.

Either 1000 or 1500 would be fine under your conditions in my book. I have 1100-ish built right now, but of that, only about 20% is painted.

>>50797968
most people play entirely grey so don't worry about what you have painted

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>>50797936
>>50797915
Come back at me.

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>>50797974

>>50797795
>Death Guard rules turn everybody into Plague Marines
>waaaah, what about my Plague Marines
What the fuck is wrong with you people.

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>>50797998

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This has been bothering me for some time now. Can I mix Legion "Tactics"

I know C:SM chapters tactics explicitly disallow it but I haven't found anything preventing me from doing so with Traitor Legions yet.

>>50798005
I'm so lonely

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>>50797974
I see London,
I see France,
I see a heretic
being purged with fire.

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Hold the fucking line!

>>50797571
Cut down the Neophyte squads to 10 members, get a mix of Claws/Whips on the Metamorphs. Maybe try to fit in another Subterranean uprising with min-sized units, the more units you have, the more chance of rolling those sweet 6s on the cult ambush table.
Also why does your Purestrain unit from Brood Cycle have extra members?

>>50797968
Shooting for 1000 first makes sense. Then you can expand to 1500/1850 later if you want.

>>50797998
why are you running nothing but priests and cannon fodder? Do you think being in the guard is a motherfucking game son?

>>50797998
I would drop it down to 1 giant Bullgryn unit so that you can fit some actual shooting in there.

>>50797980
mine too

>>50798014
what do you mean mix legion "tactics"

>>50798038
>>50798037
Implying anyone can stop Bullgryn. Literally invincible.

>>50798014
Tell me about the Violator. Why does he wear the mask?

>>50797998
You should probably get a tank or something. At the least get a goddamn sentinel.

Shooty armies are just gonna rape you right in the flashlight.

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Alright anon, your Dreadnought better fire overwatch since my Maulerfiend's charging at him! Thanks to my Blood Tithe's Unstoppable Ferocity, he has FnP (6+)!

>>50798037
>why are you running nothing but priests and cannon fodder?

Because that's literally what the Guard are for, sah!

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>>50798056
>Implying anyone can stop Bullgryn

>>50798014
You can ally CSM with CSM as BB. So you could have a Alpha Legion detachment and Death Guard detachment in the same army for example. You cannot "mix" within a single detachment however.

>>50798063
Did I miss a meme while at work?

>>50798081
Puny chicken legged robot man. We will tip you over.

Sorry for all the newbie questions. Do you think the normal people or hell, even store folk would be willing to do like a sort of 'rules primer' game where they help you get reacquainted with the rules and stuff? It's been a long time since I've last played. I had to look up half my USRs.

>>50798087
Can somebody give me a pic of a Taurox next to a Goliath Truck for scale? or if anyone owns both and doesn't want to take a pic, can a Taurox be converted into a reasonable Goliath?

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So, if The Gathering Storm lets any faction do cool stuff, and the Fall of Cadia is only the first installment, what else we guessing?

>>50798062
>recommending a sentinel

>>50798041
When you put a Space Marine character into the squad of another chapter tactic. (Say, a White Scar into a squad of Ultramarines to give the unit Hit And Run) Both units lose Chapter Tactics.

Is it possible to take a Chaos Space Marine character and put him into another legion's squad? (Say a Night Lord Sorcerer into an Death Guard squad to give them Stealth.)

>>50798113
Absolutely.

>>50798124
return of the primarchs

>>50798113
>Do you think store employees would be willing to do their god damn jobs?
Maybe.

Go for it. Worst case scenario is you just watch some other people play for a bit.

>>50798124
Tau v Nids, probably.

>>50798022
This gif is really unsettling, please delete it.

>>50798159
>unsettling
Yeah, it really unsettled my cock
INTO A THROBBING ERECTION

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>>50798159

>>50798176
I hear you mate. I still have an erection from thinking about sucking anon off while dressed as Wyches.

>>50798157
>huge release
>Look how terrifying the nids are
>no codex update for the bugs though
>Warhammer Twitch stream of tau vs bugs
>It's 5 flyrants vs nothing but kroot blobs

>Oh gosh guys, nids are really strong

>Still lose 3 of the flyrants to snap firing and grounding tests

>>50797898
Cult Ambush also gets infantry where he wants them though, especially with the Subterranean Uprising Detachment. The huge amount of tax units in the Broodcycle is meh (and fucking expensive money-wise), but the buff banner seems quite nice. It could be swapped for the Neophyte Cavalcade though.

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>>50798027
>Kriegers
>Holding anything

>>50797902

too easy, wouldn't even have to change my 1850

>>50798151
That's the other thing I was going to ask. How do you guys feel about spectators? Would it be weird if I hovered over the game and asked occasional questions?

>>50798209
Kriegers are fantastic at holding stuff, what they're holding just often ends up radiation scarred, filled with craters and rendered virtually unusable as anything except for a mining or Adeptus Mechanicus zone.

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>>50798198
>Still lose 3 of the flyrants to snap firing and grounding tests

Oh, wow. Nids did get stronger.

>>50798230
No one cares about your gay 1850 list. Kill yourself, but smash your models first.

>>50797690
Me too buddy, me too.

>>50798141
>wasting your time killing transports.
What do you think parking lot was?
It was transports for days.

Can someone post the rules for Renegade Knights? I want to compare them to FW's Chaos Knight rules.

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>>50798266

you cared enough to respond their buddy

>>50798301
Afaik they are basically the same as the Imperial ones, except their loadout is fully customizable.

>>50798334
yup, also if you take 3 in the formation you get preferred enemy imperial knights and the knights get preferred enemy your knights

>>50798334
>>50798367
Really? I don't actually have the Knight rules, but how do they stack up to these?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Chaos_Knight.pdf

>>50797692

Mostly it's the lack of opponents.

>>50798439
I'll take options over daemon

>>50797692
The only problem I kind of have is that some of the kids that come in regularly are a bit annoying, but that's it, and that's manageable by making fun of them

>>50798532
?

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>>50798014
>Violators

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So I kept working on my list. How is this for am 1850 list? Mostly going for fun to paint and mildly fluffy. Plus I love giant robutts.

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Can someone tell me exactly why this is retarded, and what I can do to stop being retarded?

>>50798198
fucking nids need an update now so when they squat my BA i can play them as a cool swarmy army.

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>>50798061
>>50798586
Apparently they're strippers.

>>50798640
>1850 points
>Not running War Convocation

>>50798642
More cultists. Remember to buy three times the number of cultists you actually need.

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Mecha slug coming through

>>50798696
That doesn't sound like a stripper to me. That sounds like a pure slaaneshi cultist who is saving himself for the right enemy.

Does anyone have a link to a PDF of Codex: Imperial Agents? I was looking at the List Builder in the OP, and I noticed that it looks like the book added Tech-Priest Engineseers and Servitors to the Cult Mechanicus Faction (whereas before they were Astra Militarum faction), with the Engineseers being HQs and Servitors Elites.

Is this really true? Do Cult Mechanicus armies now have an Elites choice that's not totally garbage, even if half of the utility's probably in having a two-man unit with two Plasma Cannons for ten points each (or 25 points each if you're not running AdMech War Convocation)?

>>50798753
>"Hey worthy opponent, do you like this?"
>takes off breastplate
>"want to see more before we duel?"

>>50798712
Why should I buy so many? For extra customization?

How many cultists is enough?

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>>50798014
>>violators
>>legions
Im sorry but can we address this?

>>50798770
Well for each Cultist unit that dies two could come back much like some sort of Hydra...

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>>50798696
idk if i'm more afraid of the man in power armor with spikes and blood from a thousand victims or the super human who stripes before killing and raping me in honorable combat

>>50798749
>tons of detail
>walking cane and power axe
>tiny insect legs
>at least 3 servo skulls
>probably fights like a space marine captain with weapons
>probably has some cool rules

damn, i want it but i don't even play admech

>>50798799
>damn, i want it but i don't even play admech
It's how they get you, Johnny.

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>>50798799
I'll make the choice easy for you!

You be afraid of the giant metal Daemon who ripped apart and ate your car, then decided to rip apart and eat you, even if it doesn't even need to eat at all!

>>50798749
>mecha slug
>not mecha centaur

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Sooo... what happens if you buy every squad dedicated transports...?

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>>50798753

>>50798923
You have a lot of empty transports

>>50798923

Nothing, since the transports in that book are from different factions, and you can't embark in another faction's transport

PURGING WITH MY KIN!!!!
and also this bolter *BLAM*HERESY

>>50798964
>>50798968
All those units (flagellants, crusaders and assasins) have options in their unit entry to buy either Sororitas Rhino or Immolator. And as the formation restriction says "All models in the Formation form a single unit", they would join this unit.

So now you have unit of mixed armorvalue/toughness.

>>50798923
>>50798964
>>50798968
Do any of you have a link to a PDF of the codex? It's not in the file compilation folders in the OP.

>>50798709
Yo my man. I am going for fun, not really interested in power gaming. I just want my big spider tanks and my littler giant robos

>>50799005
Epub is in https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

There is no pdf. Just use Readium and you'll be fine.

>>50799004
Your opponent picks up his army and leaves
The tournament bans your shitty interpretation of the rules
and your non-existent girlfriend sends you a break up text while insulting your tiny dick.

Congratulations!

>>50799004
Under that logic riptides can join units again

>>50799004
Then this anon reminds me of the kind of people that are also attracted to this hobby.
So I continue to lie about what I do in my free time

>>50799065
They could if some formation forced them to. Like this formation forces the transports to join the unit.

>>50799038
>Just use Readium and you'll be fine.
>Chrome only
>using Google's spyware meme-browser
Ew, no.

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Just ordered the models to make this work. Did I do good?

>>50799187
>Implying a megacorporation gives a shit what you do in your free time
They just want to sell you shit

>>50799200
Where is Shas'O Bama?

>>50797877
I've those twice lately. Hirso is going wild.

Ive got a Combat Patrol game coming up, cant decide between 2 lists.

Iron Hands Chapter Tactics

List 1:
Scout Squad - 55
Tacticals, Combi Grav, Grav Cannon - 115
Tacticals, Combi Grav, Grav Gun - 95
Devastators, 4 Heavy Bolters - 110
Razorback, TL Assault Cannon - 75
395 Total

List 2:
Scout Squad - 55
Scout Squad - 55
Tacticals, Combi Grav, Grav Gun - 95
Devastators, Combi Grav, 4 Heavy Bolters - 110
Razorback, TL Assault Cannon - 75
400 total

Which do you think would perform better? My main opponents are Guard, GSC, and SoB

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Iron Warriors, what do you guys think?

>>50799247
Do Iron Warriors use cultists much? They always seemed like a more elitist Legion.

>>50799187
the go to your local GW and buy a copy if you don't want to jump through the hoops to pirate it

>>50799247
Don't think cultists are too fluffy, and no oblits? Isn't that kind of their 'thing'?

>>50799242
>taking grav in a combat patrol
Man you must not have a lot of friends.

>>50799258
They use them as canon fodder a lot. IIRC, they like to call them either "Flesh" or "Meat" instead of human.

Course, with IW, it's more likely these guys are slaves/mercs and the Dark Apostle is more of a Commisar than a preacher.

>>50799258
>>50799277
Not him, but they use captured soldiers and throw them at the enemy to test emplacements

>>50799299
>>50799300
In that case why not ally Guard in?

>>50799294
I'm really only wanting to take my painted models, and unless I want to bring a melta squad, grav it is.

>>50798132
>playing guard
>not using sentinels
What?

>>50799242
Oh yeah, forgot I may be fighting Death Guard or Emporers Children.

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>>50799217

>>50799266
Epub's a shitty a fuck format for books anyway, unless you're on a mobile device and having separate pages is super-important for you. No zooming in, no reading through things one bit of the page at a time, just here's the whole page at once, all on your screen at once!

PDF is much superior in basically every way.

Also, the epub of it in the OP is broken, at least using Firefox's Epub Reader; all the text is missing, so I just get the pictures with little underscore lines where the text is supposed to be.

Really, all I want to know is whether or not the Cult Mechanicus got some Elites that weren't utter jank; is that too much to ask?

>>50799316
Hmm. That's not a bad idea. Means the "Come the Apocalypse" makes sense.

>>50799411
>Epub's a shitty a fuck format for books anyway, unless you're on a mobile device and having separate pages is super-important for you. No zooming in, no reading through things one bit of the page at a time, just here's the whole page at once, all on your screen at once!

readium can zoom in

Are iron hands chapter tactics good?

>>50799411
>Cult Mechanicus

so you play cult mechanicus and you're technologically illiterate? hah

>>50799356
I still have a hard time believing how worthless Heavy Gun drones are.

>>50799430
Tbqh one of the best in my opinion.

>>50799437
No, I just don't abuse the machine spirit by using flawed programs and infecting my machine with scrapcode.

>>50799453
Awesome. I was thinking of doing them. Does a betrayal at calth and 2 rhinos sound like a good starter?

>>50799416
I'd just about cut the Vindicators out too, maybe add another marine squad or some rhinos, and then go ham on guard tanks. Hell, they probably have their own Forge World anyway.

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>>50799416
Same anon, just saw that without the cultist, I get a 1500 army. I'll build to that first, but here's the Allied AM list anyway.

>>50799527
Hell Yeah man that looks a lot better.

>>50799527
conscripts have to be a part of a platoon.

>>50799418
Yeah, but it can't search.

>>50799544
I need everything that doesn't come in the Start Collecting CSM Box + Raptors (Both of which are my Christmas presents), and some Yellow Paint for the hazard stripes (Metallic, Black, and White are also Christmas gifts this year).

I need to get a job next semester.

are sanguinary guard worth grabbing?

>>50799611
Remade it with a Company Command Squad, Platoon Command Squad, 2 Infantry Squads, and a unit of Ratlings instead (All un-upgraded, because of points+they're slaves). Thanks for the heads-up.

>>50799470
Yeah. All your vehicles have IWND.

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>>50797534

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Just had a look at the new rumours... so no new chaos models for fall of cadia? Feels bad man. Feels so very bad.

Rolled 5, 2 = 7 (2d6)

>>50798063
Okay anon! My Venerable Dreadnought has a twin-linked lascannon!

The first dice is the Overwatch roll, the second dice is the result of the re-roll (if I need it)

>>50799747
Chaos got a ton of love this year

>>50799449
I could almost bet that they are given new rules in IA14. Their rules are from before drones got their T4. So they might get bumped into T5.

>>50799747
There will be an Abbadon I bet.

Anyways you Chaos fucks just got a bunch of shit, suck it up ya god damn baby.

>>50799747
I think I'll throw up if Chaos get another release after Cadia...Fucking tired of them.

>>50799356
>that filename

>>50799758
Ha! It took you a while to take your turn, but now I'll have to let you take your attacks, since your dreadnought is I4, and my Maulerfiend is only I3. But, since he has Lasher Tendrils, he gets to subract two attacks from you! So you only get two, anon. He's WS3, keep that in mind!

>>50799762
Yeah TS are super competitive. Love how Rubric's, one of the most over priced units are worse after their 'new' release. Top quality that is.

>>50799839
Still new models man

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So Admech bros

We finally get a named character, and he's t6 with 5 wounds while being as large of a carnifex.

>>50799844
Sick. Cant wait to see them on your shelf.

>>50798923

We get a proper answer yet?

>>50799747
>>50799779
I just want new Berzerkers and regular CSM.

And new Space Markne Scouts.

>>50799852

BELISARIUS CAWL

Why is he covering Canticles? Did they rework them? Looks like a custom ranged attack of some kind, a pre-chosen warlord trait, and some other boxes we have yet to see the contents of.

>>50799852
>infantry (character)
interesting. so it's like karamazov. huge hq that is stil an infantry duder.

>>50799864
If you NEED to win, play Death Guard or EC. Otherwise, quit crying. Your faction got new models and a fluffy AND playable supplement. I HIGHLY doubt anyone outside of a tournament setting will mind you running you other legion as another.

>>50799852
>tougher than a Daemon prince
The fuck are they feeding you martians?

>>50799728
Allied detachments can't be the same faction as your primary anon.

>>50799898
Except SM. Then they can't have the same Chapter Tactics.

>>50799898
Oh I see. Make it a CAD then and replace the Special Weapons Squad with Vets.

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>>50799728
>1865
what is this nonsense

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How fucked will be the Imperium when Cadia falls? Will it be ready for the apocalypse war?

Problem with chaos is that there marines with spikes. New rules just re-enforce that. CSM got essentially the same rules as SM just latter/worse. Plus the new models are god aweful. Look at the TS and AOS shit. It burns to look at.

>>50797742
Still seeking feedback.

>>50799852
>t6 2++ FNP 5 wounds

good luck killing this motherfucker

>>50799921
The builder puts Autocannons as 15 points when they are 10 and I have 3 Autocannons meaning it's actually 1850 points.

>>50799852
>>50799885
looks like he's got two sets of cantles. one is canticles of the omnisiah, the other is canticles of the (blurry but looks like same number of characters as omnisiah. Emperor maybe?)
looks like feel no pain, independant character, very bulky.

huh. is he not relentless?

>>50799131
There is and yet they are still excluded

Also then DA bikes that bought a land speeder should be a unit as well, and yet they aren't.

>>50799935

He might be. His wargear might give him Relentless. Fuck if I can make out anything in that blur.

>>50799923
>Cadia will be saved.
>Chaos will get fucked.
>13th Black Crusade will fail.
>Abbadon and friends will perform a ritual suicide for sucking so much.
>Imperium will rejoice.
>Eldar will rejoice.
>Tyranids will take over.
>2017 will be the year of the bug.

MARK MY WORDS.

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>>50799924

Yeah, they need better saves like the Chaos Warriors and Chosen from Fantasy. Also they should like more like armoured juggernauts. They are to thin.

Rolled 2, 3 = 5 (2d6)

>>50799814
Awesome, hitting on 3s!

C'mon, papa needs a new pair of feet...

>>50799852
S10 AP1 weapon

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>>50799923

Will Abaddon get any respect even if he successful at taking or blowing up Cadia?

>>50799892
>I HIGHLY doubt anyone outside of a tournament setting will mind you running you other legion as another.
Hmmm yes what a sucessful supplement, lol what a joke. Seriously how hard does GW have to fuck up for people to acknowledge it these days?

Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>50799980
Alright, one hit!

Now, roll to penetrate. You're AV12, right?

>>50799923
Mega fucked since Chaos can come and go into Imperial whenever they want with nothing stopping them. Plus destruction of the Cadian Pylons means that the Eye of Terror will grow ans grow until it covers the galaxy.

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>>50799747
>no new chaos
>complaining that the army with the most supplements and got a ton of new units this year isn't getting even more

Rolled 5, 3, 2, 2, 1, 6, 2, 1, 5 = 27 (9d6)

>>50799980
Dang! Roll to pen! You need a 3+ To pen!

Oh, and I forgot to mention that he's using his Daemonforge ability, so I reroll failed Pens!

Rolling two pairs, one for hitting and one for penetration!

>>50800004
Yeah! You're AP2 means +1, so a 6! Daemonic Possession means I ignore it on a 2+, so my last die will be for that! The die before that one will be for my Daemonforge, and if I roll a 1, he loses a Hull Point. Oh, and my 7th die will be for Feel No Pain!

Got that?

Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>50800044
Dang, one hull point lost and a Crew stunned for you!

Rolling my IWND!

>>50799963
how well do chaos warriors work to make CSM?

>>50800030

>new units

Those are legitimately trash outside of Magnus.

Legions is fantastic, though because it made a shitty Codex more enjoyable.

>>50800044
>>50800072
Kek, anon failed his IWND, FnP, and Daemon-forge rolls.

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>50800044
I have no idea what you're doing, but I've not rolled to see what my penetrating hit did yet!

Hopefully it's a 6, and you don't make your 5+ invulnerable save!

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>50800114
Oh crap! I completely forgot about my 5++! Thanks for reminding me, anon!

Crew Shaken means nothing to me, since I have no ranged weapons!

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>>50800030
Just look at this super competitive new list I made with a box of each new unit. I even have 20 points left over for upgrades. Great isnt it? cant imagine whilst people would complain.

>tfw the browser builder doesn't have the normal canoness

Wtf

>>50800227
Scratch that. It doesn't have any SoB besides Veridyan, rhino, and immolator.

>>50800030
You're absolutely retarded if you think any of those units besides The Friend Ender is good.

>>50799747
This is just the first wave. Notice it's all Imperial. They'll do the Chaos side at some point.

So, my Chaos Lord has T5 (From Bike, can't add MoN cause IW), 2+ Armor and IWND (Fleshmetal Exoskeleton), 4+ Invuln (SoC), 6+ FNP (IW Special Rules, can be 4+ w/ Warlord Trait), and Stubborn (Grand Company Special Rules).

He's got a Combi-Bolter, Seigebreaker Mace, and Melta Bombs.

At 173, do I have a good Warsmith?

>>50800155
You've spent 1300 points on HQs and Lords of War choices. I don't think you'd have much room to complain about your army being tiny.

>>50798640
Any feedback?

Why is it that Daemons of Khorne almost always benefit more from a Mark of Khorne that they can't/don't have?

>>50800300
>implying a TS list is going to be much bigger regardless of his strawman list.

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Hi guise,

Anything you would change in this list for Chaos?

>>50800300
Just showing of the choice selection of new units we got Anon. Did you not read the post?

>>50800331
Formatting.

>>50800331
Use the builder in the OP. EXCEL is fine for personal use, but it's easier to critique if it's all together.

>>50800074
Blood Warriors can make decent Khorne marines or berserkers.

>>50799747
I would be fine with just a new Abaddon. Let sisters get main focus

>>50800407

As a Sisters player, I'd be fine with Abbadon getting a proper mini not known for losing its arms.

>>50800492
I can't be the only person that loathes metal models

>>50800501

At least mine are mostly one solid piece.

We don't speak of the Exorcist, though.

>>50800331
No worries guys I'll sort it out now

More memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep5H_Plsm2A

>>50800605
The fucking winks get me every time.

>>50800501
I like small metal models. They have nice detail and the weight isn't an issue for them. I don't miss having to pin big metal kits though. Being able to just use plastic cement for big stuff and never have to worry about it is a godsend.

>>50799416
Use renegades and heretics for BB

>>50800316
Because unlike marked stuff, their Khorneiness is built in.

>>50799923
nids and necrons are the ultimate X factors. the focus is on the imperium and chaos now but they'll do something fucked eventually.

>>50800298
He'd be fluffier in a fortress, but he's alright.

Do you have a unit of bikes/spawn for him to roll around in?

>>50797692
My GW store is pretty damn chill, the Manager is super friendly and while the booking thing applies at his shop it's mainly for the gaming table and if people want to play a small game while the main table is in use he's perfectly fine with clearing out space and bringing out the battlemat. He lets people try out paints from his own set before they buy it as well.

Only downside is that because my country has super expensive property/rent the place is pretty damn small. One 4*4 try your first game table, one regular table and around five to six painting spots.

>>50799934

What does that tell you about using that builder? Yet you still do it.

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Just came back to see the chaos fanboy war I started (>>50799747) to explain what I meant.

The new rules are just SM rules repackaged or nerfed. Yes legions is good BUUUUUUUUT it's not for me because I like grizzled elite veterans not downgrade cheap cult troops. Great for tournies aweful for fluff.

Also, as many have pointed out already, many of the new CSM models are just downright aweful. For me CSM should be evil, dirty and grizzled looking veterans who have seen it all. Not colourful pansies on their way to mardi gras (pic related).

TL;DR? Even though CSM got lots of love... it just wasn't the right kind of love.

Are those 3 characters the only new units we are getting?
As a guard player I'd be pissed.

>>50800937
It takes a lot of self-importance to not know a thing about the lore but declare how things "should" be.

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Celly looks pretty great with a different paintjob

>>50799247
Tank hunting ml are shit. This isn't 5Th Ed

Go lascannons or autocannon

>>50800961
>those hips
10/10 would worship

>>50800961
nice one! That's going to be such fun to paint! Did you shoop this? I so can you do gunmetal armour? I always like the idea of an "iron maiden" saint.

>>50799247
>>50799258
Those are not cultists

They are standard issue mine clearers

>>50800917
I don't see the problem. I know what is in the codex, I know when the builder prices something too high. All that is required is that you say "Builder prices this too high" in the post and no one says anything if they can read. This time I forgot to type it, but it doesn't really matter. It creates a nice looking list that is easy to read and see, even if it's not 100% right.

It's much better than the messy, almost unreadable lists people write down from their word processor or spreadsheet.

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>>50800979
Some guy on Dakka did the various shoops

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>>50800961

>>50800960
>for me
Clearly wasn't referring to how the fluff should be viewed for everyone.

>>50799769
A bunch of shit indeed

As in so shit why field it

>>50800946
God I hope they're redoing the whole range. But with everything else rumored it's hard to see when.

>>50801002
>>50801004
Fuck yeaarhh

>>50800961
>pet name

Fuck off, just call shit by what it's named.

>>50800030
Most of the supplements were copy paste jobs

The only good thing was traitors hate. And it was only good for some

As a black legion player I am only slightly better off

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>>50797534
Hey /tg/ I think i'm gonna get into warhammer going to ask for only warhammer models for Christmas and Birthday since I already bought an RPK. Thinking of starting a Guard Army possibly Tallarn, Vostroya, or a custom regiment based around S.T.A.L.K.E.R.. Any ideas what I should do?

>>50797571
>>50797902
>>50797998
>>50798640
>>50798642
Also I see a lot of these here where do I go to make these.

>>50800300
>>50801052
Fuk

Traitor legions I mean

>>50801051
Is Anonypoo feeling grump grumps today?

>>50801099
>pet name

FUCK OFF

>>50801107
Sshhhh, anonypoo, don't worry. It's all going to be okay.

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Does this mean new SoB models?

I kinda want to run Three chaos terminators with 2 sets of claws, a fist with a combi plas/melta, plus a termie sorcerer and a termie lord inside a Dread Claw.

How bad would that actually be?

>>50801052
Personally I was happy to get Renegade Knights.

>>50801129
No.

>>50801129

No they're black Templar models

>>50801131
They have no role. So shit. +Can they even go into a dread?

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>>50801129
we don't know, but shit is going down next year

>>50801155
Not as a dedicated, but they can take it from a FA slot.

Why wouldn't they have a role? They're a CC unit inside a flying assault vehicle that drops into Safety T1, boosts into position, Jinks, and assaults T2.

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If you where to make a black and white simple symbol for toughness what would it be?
(pic related: strength)

>>50801129
of course it does. maybe not next month but in the next year definitely.

>>50801180
Mix of AP and ST when you could just unify it.

>>50801208

Well, I figured I'd go for a fist on the champ because it's 7 points as opposed to 22 for a pair of claws, so I then decided to upgrade the combi-bolter. What's wrong with a fist?

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>>50801198

>>50801234
Sorry I should have preffesed it by saying: what are you equipping the lord and sorcerer with. If it's something that compliaments the claws your OK to go as marine hunters, but if you are going for something to compliament the PF then rethink it as two members will be waisted. Also after the claw comes down there will be a turn before you can charge which makes this MEH considering the 3+ units are cheaper than yours. However if you swapped the claws for fists and maybe dropped the lord for another termie then this could be adequate tank hunting unit (but once again there are better alternatives. Plus keep in mid that you sorcerer isn't generating warp charges in reserves so, really what is he doing there? Unless he is your only sorcerer and you NEED him to be in the middle of the enemy turn 1/2 then, not the place for him.

>>50801251
Thanks man, got any ideas for leadership?

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>>50801300

>>50801336
Make it a white flag if the leadership is below 8

>>50801071
Vostroya for sure. Get three boxes of the infantry squad and a command. That means you have two ten man squads, a heavy support platoon and a command squad. This gets you a good start.

>>50801071
you could combine vostroya and valhallan because they both look very similar, and make a ww2 russian themed army.

>this was my plan
>potentially new templar and sister models have halted my plans of starting IG

>Rubricae 120 base, 18 PPM extra, Warpflamer 3 PPM, Soulreaper and Heavy Warpflamer 15 points, 1 per 5
>Aspiring Sorcerer 2W base
>Aspiring Sorcerer and Scarab Occult Sorcerer can buy 1 Additional Mastery Level and Spell Familiar
>Scarab Occult and all Sorcerers choose between Sword, Staff, Axe
>Tzeentch Primaris is AP3 and Haywire, Boon does not cause a hit, no longer must roll on Tzeentch
>Favored of Tzeentch replaces Blessing of Tzeentch
>Blessing of Tzeentch is now a detachment benefit for any unit that casts a spell
There, Thousand Sons are fixed.

>>50801290

Ah, well the Sorcerer would likely be rolling Telepathy, though I guess the unit doesn't need it.

I just want to use Dread Claws for a cool assault unit, but chosen are already expensive.

>>50801447
Dude I totally get you. Most of the time I play with aweful lists (CSM no cultists and KB full chainaxe) because I want to run something fluffy and badass. On a coolness rating the unit gets a thumbs up from me, but competitive? No.

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>>50797534
You know what I never see? Engiseers in a Guard army. I rarely see them, and when I do see them they are alone or with 1-2 Servitors. You know what I see even less? Servitors with guns.

I'd love to do a 5 man unit with Plasma Cannons. 175 points for 5 Plasma Blasts is not bad. Sure, you could get an Executioner for that price, but the Servitor unit can get the order to ignore cover. If you park that unit behind something like Bullgryns, they'd get a 3+ Cover save while negating the cover the enemy is granted from you shooting through.

>>50801071
The list builder is in the OP. At the bottom.

I would hesitantly suggest against buying into an all metal army. They're going to be by and large more expensive than a regular army, doubly so since both of those regiments are OOP. They're awesome, sure, but they're also very samey model wise. And with guard, you're liable to have a lot of feet on the ground at any given moment.

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>>50798124

Ghazzy hears about "dat spikey git" coming out of the Eye and takes his WAAAAGH fresh from Octavia over to Dregruk and Gathrog, knocks their respective heads together and tells them to get their collective arses down to Cadia, because Ghaz is the biggest boss around, not some upstart chaos humie.

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>>50801071
>>50801363
>>50801389
Forgot to add i'm actual military and will try to use Modern Tactics, and strategy I learn and find out on table top like support by fire elements to slow down or halt advances while an assault element gets close to finish the job. Interlocking fields of fire being watched with Artillery on standby to splinter the enemy into smaller more managable groups, Armour formations, the works. so anything else I should know that may help me with that like I hear imperial Guard gets good orders, are they extremely useful?

Also thinking of getting 3 squads of ten, 3 Chimeras [Forgeworld autocannon, and added armour] a command squad. Possibly 3 Leman Russ tanks. I'm a big fan of Mechanized, and Armour Warfare.

>>50801134
They are better than fw chaos knightsc in some way

>>50798640
Still waiting for some feedback, but at this point the only thing I'm adding is another Dominus and 2 boxes of Kastelans

>>50801555
It's strange that people never really invest in tech-priests and tech-marines.
I wanted the new priest model for my IG/inquisition army but I'm so set in my ways I'm not sure I would use him.

I'll get one when I paint everything else, maybe.

>>50801646
Yeah. Biggest plus for me is I can just slap one on an army list as one knight is it's own detachment.

>>50801652
I hate that their formations force you to run multiple dominus.

>>50797534
I made a mistake. I started reading through the 5th edition Guard Codex again.

Chenkov, Griffons, Medusas, old Hydras, Penal Legions. I'm sad now.

>>50800999
>It's much better than the messy, almost unreadable lists people write down from their word processor or spreadsheet.

Protip: those are copypasted from other programs, idiot.

>>50801635
Sadly to say 40k doesn't rely much on tabletop tactics. The vast majority of tactics come in the form of list building. The most tactical one I know is infinity so it might be worth trying that some.

However onto 40k. 3 squads of ten each with a chimera would look nice and if that is what you like, go for it. However IG's strong suit is the ability to throw masses of bodies at the enemy so it's a pretty so so list. But if that is the aesthetics your going for, don't let the list get in the way.

>>50801748
>Acting like that makes a difference
You are even dumber than I previously thought. Being another program makes it even worse that it looks like such shit still. Those programs are shit, look like shit, they transfer to post like shit and are a mess for anyone else to read who didn't spend 20 minutes looking at what to take.

Don't breed.

>>50801752

You're mistaking tactics for strategy. 40K has plenty of tactical depth, you just aren't aware of it and don't know how to play the game at a higher level.

For example, I can make a unit with a 6" move get into combat from further than 18" away. I can kill a grav gun model without using the precision shot rule, etc. You just have to know how to use the rules to your advantage. This game rewards you for clumping your squads, spacing out at max coherency, and conga lining all depending on the various situation you're in. How you can say that isn't tactics is beyond me.

>>50801785
>programs are shit

That was the fucking point. Occam's Razor, nigger. Amazing how idiots are so confident on this board.

>>50801785
>he doesn't even recognize army builder pasted lists
>talks shit after being called out on it

wew lad

>>50801794
Shut the fuck up you waste of space. The program in the OP has minor issues that are easily ignored. It's the easiest to read and see what people are taking. Stop talking and stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about.

How could Sorcerers be differentiated from Librarians through crunch. Their fluff is quite different, but they share most of disciplines with eachother. Could giving them access to more types of familiars or tomes help or is no such thing needed. I also considered if making the way they generate their psychic powers different would be a good idea. Like one of the two buying and the other generating randomly. One benefitting from constant effects while the other only has any benefit from his powers after expending warp charges.

>>50801809
>minor issues

It literally allows you to create illegal lists and had multiple people saying to stop posting it not more than a few days ago, but clueless newfags always ask how to build army lists with pretty pictures anyways, even though it's already in the OP.

That's the camp you're in right now.

>>50801788
>I can make a unit with a 6" move get into combat from further than 18" away
R u a wizerd?

>>50801809
>it isn't shit if you just ignore the shit parts you don't even know what you're talking about you waste of space shut the fuck up don't breed

W E W
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>mfw the opponent messes up deployment in hammer and anvil so i easily get a first turn charge and set the pace of the game

i feel like proper deployment is huge because i've had games where i deployed badly and got smashed. also steal the initiative is big because it also helps to punish

>>50801816
i feel it might make it too complicated. that said i wouldn't mind riskier powers/abilities for sorcerors and maybe some cleaning/purifying for librarians

>>50801830
>had multiple people saying to stop posting it
You mean you, samefagging? How about you post some proof it's not just your pathetic, little grudge against a computer program.

If people are making illegal lists it means they're idiots who need to read their codex, nothing more.

>>50801860
>steal the initiative is big because it also helps to punish
>only does anything 1 in 6 games
Wew lad.

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>>50801752
>>50801788
New to all this and made a 1500 point army based off what I may want to try what does everyone think. Remember I know nothing and just did this off the top of my head. Please help correct me if need be.

>>50801860
Well I guess the riskier part is true for malefic powers. Does anyone but people who use it at tournaments think giving it to all factions was a good idea?

Would it be cool if all CSM powers blew up on any double? (Ignoring balance for now, whether it should be balanced through cheaper models or more powerful powers I'm not sure)

>>50801809
If you see a problem email the dev. He fixes them within about 12 hours. Too much hard work for you likely

>>50801885
same could be said of warpstorm or a lot of the game based on small chances

>>50801788
The reason I said that the game does have tactics is because a lot of what has been described relies of randomness (which is solved with list building) and isn't the kind of tactics that was being refereed to in >>50801635 which is more of what you would call strategy.

>>50797962
I haven't said this since 2007 when I browsed /b/
Tits or GTFO.

That is to say, has anyone got pics of the Diaz daemonettes painted up yet? Mine were dispatched yesterday.

>>50801885
The point is the possibility forces you to hedge, or at least consider hedging.

>>50801129
No, theyre just giving the faction a new HQ model that looks absolutely nothing like the rest of their range and calling it a day

>>50801898
There are a few mistakes in the list but I think I can help. First off the infantry squads can't be taken like that. Two are purchased as one troop choice alongside a platoon command. Taking them like that would make them a veteran squad which lowers the body count, and even though they have their uses, aren't so good at taken the bulk of shots because of how expensive they are. I'd suggest one of them (in a chimera with demolitionists if you like a armoured armour popper) and a infantry platoon to take the hits. Nice tank choices, no complaint there. Also with the command squad you need five men before you bring masters of x. So drop a verteran with melta (one per squad) and ad a standard and medic.

From there add more tanks, artillery and men until you are happy.

>>50801957
I never bother, if he rolls a 6 I'm just going to have to accept in most likely going to lose.

Can't win 'em all.

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>>50801860

Yea, deployment is a pretty big part, and going second is sometimes helpful.

In pic related sorry for the unpainted terrain, my Seraphim managed to HnR into the back field ruins because my opponent ran his unit around the corner. Meanwhile, his bikes couldn't melted under 5 combi-plasma despite the jinks, while my Retributers forced some cultists to go to ground as my flamer troops moved up field.

It was a messy T1, which let him get FnP and Bloodletters down on T2.

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>>50802001
Was thinking I would make one of the Tank a Vanquisher. Whats your opinion on that?

>>50801437
Yeah I like that. 40 point for a troop psyker vs 60 point for a SM HQ psyker with 2W.

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>>50802001
Not sure I fully understand what your saying but working on the new list. Also yeah I like transports but I'm not fully sure how the Chimera feels on tabletop. (Would like to give it an Autocannon if possible) How well do they take hits. Do they feel like Armored cars or like an IFV? Also i'm trying to make this a skilled Mechanized/Armoured Company with Armor and Artillery support. I was gonna add Chimeras but it would cost to many points. Also assuming I need the Company commander. Lastly I want to try and make guardsmen survive I know retarded but I want to start with normal guardsmen and eventually upgrade to Veterans. I feel I shouldn't use Veterans until a squad actually survives to be veterans.

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>>50802001
My second Attempt.

>>50801555
I use an Enginseer with servitors... although, no guns.
Theoretically their job is to repair my vehicles, but as my russ has only two states (full HP and Smoking Crater) their main job is to beat up anything trying to deep strike near my vehicles.

>>50802084
The problem is their discipline and the unit they are in. They more or less act as horrible warp charge generators.

Giving a power weapon to a sergeant ina naked sternguard squad isn't going to be worth more than 5 pts most of the time. So you currently left paying more than 50 pts for a warp charge. In comparison, Heralds of Tzeentch generate 3 for 100 and have up to 4 useful psychic powers.

If you give him a useful power, like psychic shriek and the possability of another useful power then he would be worth +30 pts (35-40 with 2 W), until then he should be +20 pts (+25-30 with an extra wound).

>>50802084
Aspiring Sorcerer comes locked in with a bunch of Rubricae bodies and isn't an IC and doesn't have a Psychic Hood.

Tau are the good guys and will surpass the imperium!!!

Chaos Space Marines are the good guys and have already beaten the imperium.

>>50802336
Hey hows that experiment working out with those genestealers bro?

>>50801955
Not from the new batch no,

I do however have a metric ton of them that I've gathered and painted over the years around