Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>50775347
My character knighted a baby owlbear in our session last night, and now it's an Emissary Familiar.

>>50775347
Familiars are shit crutches for faggots who don't want to actually roleplay. HURR LOOK AT ME I HAVE A RAVEN AREN'T I SO KAWAII AND CLEVER HIS NAME IS QUOTH HURR HURRRRRRRRRR

fuck familiars and people that use them and any other companion like class feature they're all shit for shitpeople.

>>50775402

>kitsunefag upset he didnt get to post his shitty animoo

Get quoth'd fgt

>>50775418
I'm not the kitsunefag you fucking dicksucking faglord, go suck your DIVINE STEED'S horsecock and leave this hobby and all others you fucking retarded pedophile creep assburger bestialist

>>50775388
What are you using to replicate a Baby Owlbear's stats?
>>50775347
Nosoi and Pseudosphinxes are pretty cool.

>>50775402
I don't understand this meme.

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>>50775432
You seem upset.

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>>50775432

Anon pls. I have more than enough from the elections

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Whoops forgot to take off the trip.

>>50775435
We're not sure yet! It's not going to be something that fights, so we'll probably just pick a decent familiar/master benefit and have its stats be "adorable" beyond the Emissary abilities.

>>50775402
What about faggots who do want to roleplay?

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>>50775402
>>50775432
Yes, this is a good representation of the stromwindfag from last thread
9/10 Excellent imitations, I almost couldn't tell the difference.

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>>50775347
Mori, his horse and Shuvuu his hawk, faithful companions, links to the spirits beyond, and his best friends. He spoils them rotten.

Posting one more time though I dont think I need to. Potential campaign coming up being run by /pfg/ for /pfg/. Just a couple ideas I think are fun and I would like to run and some input from people who would like to run in a campaign. Thanks for your help guys, you have given me a lot of direction already to make this all that it can be!~

http://www.strawpoll.me/11905158
http://www.strawpoll.me/11905768

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>>50775347
I have my talking sword and my brother has his capuchin monkey, together shenanigans ensues.

Just looked through the paizo familiar list,
anyone heard of a petrifern before? The fuck is this little thing?

>>50775488

I want to give you my all, anon! I need to go hard and deep into your setting!

>>50775488
Based off of whatthe results are now, what general ideas/plans do you have for the campaign?

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>>50775347
My alchemist has a... I guess a tumor that mutated into a thrush. It doesn't really come up much, since it's mostly there to help with crafting. Sooner or later it's just going to pop out of his arm and surprise the shit out of the other PCs.

The kitsune sorcerer I played as a joke once can have his relationship with his familiar summarized by pic-related.

>>50775488
This is the Molthune Comfy Knights, right? This sounds great.

>>50775554
>DIGGING!
For honor and glory!
>DIGGING
For England!

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Just posted an update to the Avowed with catches and changes from peoples' comments last night. Now I've gotta go for a bit. Can be found here. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twzb&page=3?Forrestfire-Studios-A-new-company-a-unique#113

>>50775478
>he named his horse 'horse' and his bird 'bird'

>>50775538

Be gentle at first, she is still in early development.

>>50775560

Yes.

>>50775554

It looks like the basics are going to be a comfy Molthune setting, the PCs will be landed knights so gold and resources are not a problem. Instead they will be more concerned about keeping their village(s) happy and ensuring the safety of the peasants, doing courtly business, and mixing in some politics and intrigue. Molthune is a fairly volatile area and there is a lot that needs to be done to keep your lands and holdings safe.

>>50775579
DWARFQUEST

>>50775590
>Knightgame

Could I play a Lawful-Good kobold grappleknight?

>>50775590
>Molthuni Knights keeping villagers safe from rebels who keep stealing from or destroying their farms in the name of "the good fight"
I want this so badly. Even better if we work within the system to better protect ALL the people of Molthune, not just our villages or the nobles.

>>50775630

Anything's possible if you try!

>>50775641

What would you make, Senpai? This campaign sounds comfy, I don't know what I want to make!

>>50775630

I have not worked out the rules yet but if you do I would expect a compelling backstory as to how your kobold ended up being knighted. Molthune is a militaristic land and anything is possible!

>>50775641

I may include CRUSADES to reclaim lost lands fallen to rebels or diplomatic emissaries to the evil empire nearby.

>>50775347
>a PFG without a weebshit OP image

N-NANI??

>>50775686

Why not conduct the CRUSADE against Nidal?

>Evil
>Like, really evil
>Would give Molthune coastal access
>Nobody likes them!

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>>50775673
I'd make a kitsune who used to be a fox in Fangwood and got adopted by a group of soldiers, then rose through the ranks of the Molthuni army after being awakened.

>>50775717

I want to play a soldier under her command who was raised to knighthood himself, but still calls her "sir!"

>>50775715

Nidal is allied with Cheliax. Maybe later in the game you might be strong enough to take on the Devils but not early on.

>>50775673
If it's 3pp+gestalt might re-purpose Silvia if I don't get into RotJR, or at least her build. Otherwise, maybe some kind of tactician/noble themed Hedgewitch. I rather like the idea of being something like an intelligence officer who gets put in charge of a plot of land and has to learn to fight to protect his people. I also like the idea of being a loose cannon elite soldier sent away due to behavior, who has to learn to command and take care of those he needs to protect.

>>50775673
Do you think either a slaveborn-turned-citizen Halfling or Gnome would fly? Feeling a small pally or cavalier right now

>>50775727
I'm not a big fan of dual apping, but if you want to get in touch with me just shoot me a message on IRC or roll20.

>>50775673

Depends on if we have to be martials or not; I have this tickling mental image of a warrior-mage (though not a magus, becuase the spell list isn't what I want); a brilliant tactician and knightly fellow who uses arcane spells to aid his allies and hamper his foes while putting his cunning mind to the tactics and strategy of victory.

If an Inquisitor multiclasses into cleric, does he or she get 1 more domain or 2?

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>>50775508
It's a pint-size ent to carry around.

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>>50775402
Sounds like you need more colorsnake familiars/mounts in your life.

And familiars are neat. It gives you an excuse to have a friendly pet, that can also help do things like scout.

Colorsnake Riding Couatl is best

>>50775782
He gets to choose two cleric domains as normal. However, the levels in inquisitor and cleric don't stack for the purposes of determining domain powers.

>>50775817
Ok. But if they wanted, they could take the same domain they already had for the domain spells?

>>50775833
Yes.

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>>50775347
>tfw I'll never have a Familiar in real life

I've honestly wanted to play a Witch for a while, but don't know what to pick for an Improved Familiar and I don't know whether to look for a base familiar that flies or one that gives an Init bonus.

They're all adorable so that doesn't help.

>>50775736

Cheliax is a fair weather ally with Nidal, odds are they'd break the alliance if it meant war with a powerful Molthune and Andoran.

>>50775765

>Kitsune Commander
>Dutiful Subordinate raised to command

It sounds like this could get real cute if he was the one that took care of her while she was an animal!

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>>50775347
Hey guys.

Looking to build a Caster Occultist. But I'd prefer to not pick up Necromancy or Conjuration- WELL more specifically I don't want to bother with summoned minions. If one can do something effective with Necro or Conj without summoning I'm not opposed to picking up the implements.

But reasonable sure that leaves me with some form of Controller or Blaster. Any good builds or suggestions for this?

Point buy 25, No 3rd party except Psionic books, starting at 5th going to 15th.

>>50775950
Fund it.

I'd recommend a Packmaster Hunter on one side.

>>50775871
Gonna commune with your fox, you fucking degenerate? Suck your prepared spells out of it's yiffy dick? Disgusting.

>have 29 HP at level 1
Nice

I want to build a character around [Profession (Cuddler)]. What's the best race/class combo?

I'm thinking a halfling for that +4 racial bonus on profession (driven worker replacing sure footed). And a +2 (3 times per day) from adaptable luck.

>>50776086
Strangler Brawler

Or do you just want to minmax that profession check? Because if you really want to I can throw it through the fucking roof.

>>50776086
Play anything that wants to mono-focus on a single stat while not dumping Wisdom, then take Brevoy Bandit as a trait.

>>50776086
The fuck does a cuddler do? Is it just a male prostitute without sex?

>>50776076
How? d12 HD, FCB, Toughness, and 20 con is 21.

>>50776111
I think there's some Shoanti feats that grant you extra HP as well.

>>50776111
>barbarian
12
>20 con
17
>rage
19
>FCB
20
>toughness
23
>tribal scars
29

>>50776019

Why Packmaster Hunter?

>>50776069
>implying communing has to be physical, sexual contact

Why would you even imply that?

>>50776109
Professional cuddlers cuddle people of all sexes.

They make you feel relaxed, comforted and help you let down your guard. Because the character in question is a halfling, there's often baked goods involved, maybe some tobacco or alcohol (though this usually frowned upon by shelynites, caydenites are pretty keen on it) and probably the brushing of hair too.

>>50776107
It was sort of meant to be a gag character, but yeah, lets minmax the fuck out of this halfling cuddler, and we'll take brevoy bandit to swap profession to charisma based.

>>50776165
I found reference to "rare cantrips" and this line confuses me:

"These cantrips are not legal in official organized play"

What even? Do people roll up characters and go score points based on role-playing to win prizes, what even?

>>50776142
It's the best class for an animal lover, since you've got multiple pets, and it also sets up a backstory with him calling off the dogs on a fox hunt. Plus sets up for The Fox and the Hound with a happy ending.

A good alternative would be a paladin for the respect for rank.

>>50776211
Organized play is PFS aka Pathfinder Society.

>>50776109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwIkMq3u-2A

I dont want to link you the buzzfeed one.

>>50776229
Whaaaat's this? You fuckers some kinda cult?

>>50776179
>It was sort of meant to be a gag character, but yeah, lets minmax the fuck out of this halfling cuddler, and we'll take brevoy bandit to swap profession to charisma based.
You're not a halfling anymore son, you need wisdom.
level 4 human (oracle 1/shaman 1/vigilante 1/investigator 1)

>20 wisdom (18 base + 2 racial)
>+3 wisdom (aging)
>+1 wisdom (leveling)
>+2 wisdom (headband)

>4 (ranks)
>+3 (class skill)
>+8 (wisdom)
>+10 (nature's divination)
>+4 (shaman spirit of the city)
>+10 (knowledge amulet)
>+8 (inexplicable luck)
>+4 (legalistic curse)
>+4 (social grace)
>+3 (skill focus)
>+2 (trait)

+60 to Profession (Cuddler) at level 4

Probably a deific obedience that might help too.

>>50776248
Let me put it this way: Even the most autistic people in /pfg/ despise PFS. It's a literal cesspool of people who no sane GM would allow into their group. And that's on top of all the other problems with it, like the GM's not being allowed to change anything...

>>50776248
It's Paizo's endorsed method of playing their game.

It's shit.

>>50776283
>>50776284
What's bad about it? How do they play?

>>50776300
PFS is why shit like Jingasa and Bracers of Falcons Aim got nerfed, as well as asinine nerfs to Crane Wing and countless other bullshit errata.

>>50776300
The PFS adventures are easy-tier shit that even the standard blaster wizard-healbot cleric-rogue-fighter party can take them with no issue and the minimal appearance of a challenge is met with heavy whining until it's nerfed into oblivion.
Due to this same whining, plenty of options that are decent but appear broken to these same players who don't have any game proficiency at all are banned.

>>50776300
They don't understand how the game works, so it's a case of 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.' Make anything that an actually perform competently and they think it's OP and nerf it.

>>50776283
I don't actually. I was the president of a TTRPG club in college and used PFS as a means of standardizing play for essentially the "masses" of people who would come in. It was quick and easy for when I didn't really care to craft a game.

>>50776281
Thanks anon. I dont think I'm going to take it to that level of minmaxing, but I'll happily use more than a few of your things.

>>50776300
Badly.

Like, the encounters are badly designed, and the balance adjusted by forum-screaming from clerics and wizards who get all triggered by some martial succeeding at anything at all because that reminds them of their time in highschool and pathfinder is supposed to be a safe space. (oh you poor naive fool you think I'm kidding don't you....)

So shitass encounters like "here are four goblins, one for every two of you" exist, but so do "see, this is a boss fight because this orc right, he's wearing full plate, and gets one attack a round, so he's hard to hit and hits hard back, which will be an epic battle".

Then someone uses, say, a gunslinger, goes "huh? what AC?" and we find out the orc boss had like 20HP.
*guess what gets nerfed next*.

But there's also encounters like "the party of level 5s encounters a pack of sirens, and anyone failing the instantaneous-on-them-spawning-within-range-like-in-old-console-RPGs will DC is immediately put under their control, leading to a one-round TPK if the party didn't have the specific full casters with these specific spells prepared ahead of time: ...."

And that's how you get shit like crane-wing monks nerfed (being able to block one melee attack per round total at the cost of some of your own is broken because the boss only attacked once despite having a BAB of like +8), and how insufferable neckbeards of the most stereotypical "it has to be pure rules" kind gather to play this stuff, and then proceed to - as we've discovered - dictate further errata based on how things went for them.

... let's not even talk about the optimization level. *forrest gump is not allowed to cast spells and his dex is negative to help him avoid hits in his leather armor because he's a bard* is basically the default expected of all except the party mage.

>>50776281
I forgot, 1d20+1d6+60 (the 1d6 is inspiration).

>>50775686
That can be done!

He's a Constable Cavalier, so he could have intervened in minor crimes and gotten a place in the town guard of some place. Maybe from there have had a notable impact on a rebel attack or somesuch.

Maybe pick up the Renown-getting feats, since a police and then knighted kobold would cause a bit of a stir.

>>50775347
>That one wizard/sorcerer/FUCKING WITCH that forgets they have a fox/whatever following them

It's not only my group, is it?

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>>50776427
Well considering I forgot about my snake familiar? No, not just your group.

>>50776213

That sounds genuinely adorable!

>>50776427
I never forget about my familiar.

My last character has a Raven familiar named Edheren. He cursed in orcish constantly, was an alcoholic, and was generally a piece of shit.

/pfg/ might actually be interested in that character. It was in a political intrigue game and dating/courting was important to the overall game. My character came from a country where polygamy was acceptable and common (it was complicated), so he was looking to marrying two girls from the same family in fact.

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>>50776427
Even as someone who likes playing classes that actually get companion creatures, even I slip up some sessions with the rest of the group and forget about my companion(s) due to how events are playing out. Whether it's forgetting that my oracle has a the tiger constantly glued to his leg, or the cat that's permanently draped over the sorcerer's shoulder, or the Paladin's horse, or the alchemist's Homunculus who really shouldn't poKE THAT THAT'S DANGEROUS YOU ALREADY DIED ONCE.

>>50776518
I'd marry a pair of sisters, I think. Save the parents some money on two weddings.

>>50776518
Half-Orc Mormon?

>>50776427
I make sure to integrate my companion/familiar to my character, I simply don't understand how people can forget that they have them.

>>50776564
Outside of roleplay, most of them don't do shit, unless you're creative.

Besides that, people who aren't as "good" at the game, or who are still getting used to it, are overwhelmed by the system, so they forget details like the cat in their pocket.

As a DM, I think it would just be funny if when they finally remember it you tell them "Mittens? You forgot him in that pit trap 3 sessions ago, man."

>>50776554

>tfw no dual-app of twins using Iridian Fold feats.

>>50776558
>cursing
>alcohol
>mormon
doesn't seem to add up chief

Favorite Kaiju?

>>50776694
>cursing
>Alcohol
Half-Orc

>polygamy
Mormon

Everything checks out here

>>50776558
My character was actually a changeling.

His ancestry was:
>1/2 hag
>5/16 human
>3/16 orc
The orc didn't show through much.

He was the only son of the ruler of a mountainous nation called Edheren (his bird was named after it) that the Quinns has conquered some 800 years previous during The Conquest of the First Quinn (an event that the first Quinn conquered an enormous swath of land that eventually fell back to this one stretch of mountains). We were an ancient house in their twilight. The character's father was evil. My character was let go for some reason to make it to summer court, during which he garnered allies and possible marriages.

He was marrying into the country's military power. He was likely to marry the first daughter of two of the branch families. One of which was a druid who saw my character as an intelligent schemer and slightly unhinged madman bent on recreating the conquest of the first quinn, the other saw my character as a rock of stability despite their rather similar terrible family situations.

I was also courting other people, but they were the main two.

My character's titles, when he ascended to his throne (his father actually turned out to be a worm that walks, it was a long story), would have been:

Theobaldus Ignatius Quinn, Bearer of Crashing Dawn, Ruler of the Raven Throne, Lord Paramount of Edheren, Voice of the Father, The Raven's Folly, The Last Quinn.

The game ended after a year and a half of regular play, it was a wild ride.

>>50776704
I like Gamera! He's a friend to the children!

>>50776710
Except its against mormonism to drink alcohol, and most mormons I've met avoid cursing as much as possible

>>50776711
>that parentage
What did you have a family tree?

>>50776736
That's why it's Half-Orc Mormon, not a Mormon Half-Orc. It's the Half-Orc's version of Mormonism.

>>50776759
>It's the Half-Orc's version of Mormonism.
So the RLDS?

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>All core sources are allowed. By core I mean a hard back book printed by Paizo. If you want to use something from one of the Chronicles, Companions, etc. you are welcome to do so, from one book. After you have selected a softcover then you may not select any other material from any softcover but the one you chose.

Post you're fucking face

>>50776396
Or alternatively, the Masked Identity feats/vigilante for the other side of a gestalt.

Just buggering around doing the vigilante do, and someone sees fit to make him a sort of honorary knight, but is then surprised when he actually shows up to claim it. He then delegates an amount of his duties to his 'aide' (read:his social identity).

Not sure how much that'd mesh with the game you got in mind, but it's a possibility.

Or I mean he could just be an Exposed vig I suppose. Gives up the secrecy for his knighthood, seeing it as an opportunity to better inspire JUSTICE.

>>50776710
>>50776694
So the polygamy was cultural bleed over from orcs. Orcish culture supports a odd merits based value system. Polygamy is common. After ruling over and living among orcs for centuries the Quinn family, also after marrying orcs into the family, became more orc like in culture.

The hag my character was birthed by had in fact been influencing the family for centuries as well. The Hag Mother I believe was in reference to The Crone, a figure in The Ballad of the First Quinn (a telling of the first quinn's tale). The Crone spoke of The Sun and Moon (sisters the first Quinn fell in love with and the reason for his conquest), and set in motion both the conquest and the first quinn's follow. As well as the creation of the guardian artifact of the family, Crashing Dawn.

The other influence on the family was that of Orenthal's Madness, also known by my character as That Which Lay in the Dark. In the back of the oldest family tomb there is a fissure, which when crawled through leads to a bottomless chamber filled with writhing maggots. Among the maggots was a malignant intelligence that had influenced the character's father (turned him into a Worm that Walks).

So a game between an ancient hag and ??? in the back of the tomb had torn the character's family apart for centuries

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>>50776793

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So /pfg/, anything interesting happen in your last game?

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>>50776793

>>50776818

My players came across slavic drow fleeing hte darklands. They kept referring to the in-a-cloned-body-of-sorshen magus as 'surface matron' because she seemed in charge and was scariest.

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>>50776818
elvis pls

>>50776793
>mfw

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>>50776793
Eww, especially since that means, for instance, that Wood and Void Kineticists just flat-out get fucked.

>>50776846
>They're actually drawstrings to his hood he pulls shut

AAAAHHHHHHHH

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>>50776704
The OG himself, who else?

>>50776818
The encounter did not take into account the mutation warrior archetype and my fighter broke it as such.

>>50776793
Am I retarded if I don't get what they mean by this?

Are they saying each player can pick one 3pp BOOK source to add as available ressource to their characters?

>>50776869
Samurai Ork?

>>50776818
What the fuck happened there?

>>50776862
They were always fucked, Paizo doesn't want them to be good.

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>>50776711
>Male Changeling

I know you probably mean DnD Changeling I just felt like being unfunny.

>>50776881

>Am I retarded if I don't get what they mean by this?

Yes

>Are they saying each player can pick one 3pp

No

>>50776881
Not even, only one Paizo non-corebook source
It's like saying "Oh, an inner sea gods Trait, guess you have to choose between that and your achetype splat"

>>50776793
Sounds like he's burned the fuck out.
Offer to run a game, instead.

>>50776895

Looks like a sturdy human girl is about to get gangbanged by a half-hundred demons!

>>50776915
There are no male pathfinder changelings. That was a major plotpoint. His father tattooed on a Belt of Sex Change on him as an infant. Then put a permanent magic aura on it to make it seem to be a belt of con (because he was sickly). He grew up as a male, but was female if the belt was taken off. Eventually I learned transfer tattoo.

>>50776940

YOU

I REMEMBER YOU

>>50776895
This happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQs48dvebck

>>50776518
>>50776711
>>50776803
>>50776940
I think we're forgetting what's important here. He was gonna marry TWO cute girls, he was courting TWO cute girls.

Why have we not thought about this before?

>>50776953
Yeah I'm that guy. Baby tattoo guy.

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What if sex change had no effect on changelings/hags, because they only have one biological sex?

>>50776961
Because, we usually play Good-aligned

>>50776986
Why can't polygamy be good aligned as long as every consents?

>>50776986

There is literally nothing wrong with multiple wives! Qadira is the greatest nation in Avistan and *they* practice polygamy!

>>50776940
That's hot.

>>50776992
Because the church says no

>>50776953
In the mountains?

>>50776940
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>>50777117
itspfgsoyesfetish.mp3

>>50777045

I'd remember being between your mountains, anon. Got quite the pleasant valley between 'em!

>>50777006
What if your church says it's okay, and they're a NG-aligned church?

>>50776704
Kaiju in Pathfinder were such a fucking disappointment, and there will never be more of them, and they'll never be explored.

>>50777198
Then they're a front for a NE God

Actually then yeah, it's cool. Just most of us don't think about adding polygamy-supporting gods to a setting

>>50777222

Polygamy is supported by many dominant religions today, such as Islam and Mormonism.

Are you saying their englightened teachings are evil?

>>50775583

Hey Forrest, making Aether Rounds a free action breaks it, because it lets you use it on every attack.

It looks like you can use aether blade or rampage and then aether channel to get double pulse damage.

The elemental modulations should give the appropriate descriptor to the pulse.

Am I right that aether pulse starts out doing untyped damage?

I'm not too fond of the unarmed-only attacks of the self-pact. It seems to lock them into aether channel.

Is there a reason for the redundant wording in Overcharge Modulation? "no effects of the modulation beyond changes to the damage type or type of damage (if any) are applied"

>>50777264
Do any Paizo books have Islam or mormonism as an actual religion?

>>50777327

Sarenrae is basically Islamic, it's a religion of peace built upon salvation and second chances.

>>50777327
Frost Giants are all Islamic I believe,

>>50777272
>making Aether Rounds a free action breaks it, because it lets you use it on every attack.
>It looks like you can use aether blade or rampage and then aether channel to get double pulse damage.

From the shape rules:
>"Shapes that are activated as free actions do not provoke attacks of opportunity for their activation (but might for their attacks). Such shapes can only be used once per round, and using one prevents the avowed from using the others."

>The elemental modulations should give the appropriate descriptor to the pulse.

That's a good idea and it slipped my mind. I'll make a note about it to add later.

>Am I right that aether pulse starts out doing untyped damage?
Yes.

>I'm not too fond of the unarmed-only attacks of the self-pact. It seems to lock them into aether channel.
Well, it encourages Aether Channel use. The attacks are extra regardless, though. Pick up an AoMF +1 at some point, perhaps, and use it alongside melee stuff.

>Is there a reason for the redundant wording in Overcharge Modulation? "no effects of the modulation beyond changes to the damage type or type of damage (if any) are applied"

"Fire" is a damage type.
"Nonlethal" is a type of damage.

[3.x intensifies]

>>50777347
So that's a no then. The point I'm making is that, beyond homebrew stuff, I can't find anything that says polygamy is supported by any gods, nor anything that says it's not. The only thing that points to either is that fact that you don't really run into many (if any) polygamous relationships in APs or Modules, which suggests to me it's frowned upon

>>50777272
>Is there a reason for the redundant wording in Overcharge Modulation? "no effects of the modulation beyond changes to the damage type or type of damage (if any) are applied"
You can have Nonlethal Electricity damage, as an example.

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>>50777368
wait, how's that?

>>50777400

It hasn't shown up for the same reason a Halfling love interest hasn't shown up; because as much as Paizo likes to jerk itself off on how inclusive and progressive it is, in the end they've still got their petty turn-offs and personal issues with certain things.

>>50776086
Brevoy Bandit.

>>50777400
Polygamy isn't frowned upon, it's just never even mentioned.

>>50777424
Well, one of Kostchtchie's tenets is to never let a woman be better than a man, they all have beards and generally kill people for disagreeing with them.

>>50777400
It could probably be assumed that it happens in, say, primitive tribes or far-off areas. The Keleshite Empire, some of the Mwangi or Kellid tribes, technically the Ulfen (I think at least concubinage was okay with the norse) probably practice a form of it, but it's unlikely to be the norm.

Erastil would probably be okay with it, ironically, since his teachings go into great detail about keeping the family stable and secure, and his followers probably have enough rules in place to ensure things don't get too screwy.

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>>50777477

>>50777484
Doesnt Osirion have polygamy?

If anything, the gods couldnt frown on it since they're literally the Egyptian gods and Egypt had polygamy.

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>>50775402
>>50775432

>>50777400
>>50777448

Why isn't it mentioned? Shelyn supports polygamy if it makes everyone happy... So why hasn't Paizo even attempted to suggest a happy polygamous relationship?

Oh wait, it's because Polygamy is an inherently terrible relationship style built around being casual fuckbuddies more than partners, and the vast minds of Paizo are incapable of even bullshitting out a reason it's kosher.

>>50777504
>Doesnt Osirion have polygamy?

Qadira practices polygamy - wealthy men can have multiple wives, but exceptional women can have multiple husbands.

Women of the royal family are not allowed to have multiple husbands, but the men can have multiple wives!

Alright well, Google Chrome crashed on me once again for reasons unbeknownst to me, so Imma try and post this before it does it again:

I'm planning on using Spheres of Power and Psionics in the next game I run, and am planning on changing the fluff of Psionics extensively.

So, we have Arcane and Occult (renamed Psychic) magic (which is represented by Spheres of Power and the appropriate casting traditions). Then we have "Psychotreatment" (Psionics under a different name, which I will get to).

Arcane magic comes from studying in universities. Occult magic comes from rituals, dead people, and valuable things. Psychotreatment comes from a special metallic device surgically implanted in the base of someone's skull, which harnesses latent bodily energy to create effects that mimic those of Arcane/Occult magic (i.e Psionic Powers, of course). Instead of being as flexible as Arcane/Occult magic, Psychotreatment is divided into rigidly-defined powers that must be developed in the same way that someone develops a body muscle- which means most folks who get them also tend to be physically fit

Instead of psicrystals, you have "psychomorphic homunculi" which are artificial souls condensed into a small anthropomorphic figurines, which serve the same function as a psicrystal. Instead of Psicrowns, you have "psychotreatment modules" which are devices you hook into your Psychotreatment Implant. Instead of Dorjes, they're "Supplementary Psychotreatment Devices" which are fancy terms for wands that function on the same principle as, y'know, the actual psychotreatment stuff, and so on and so forth. Cognizance crystals are "organo-electric fuel", crystalline focus items are... still crystalline focus items but with a distinctly more "technical" name that makes them sound less "crystals and mindpowers" and more, I guess, Victorian, I suppose?

Those are just my thoughts on it. I'm not a fan of the crystals that permeate psionics and want to replace it with something else.

>>50777564
Are there any AP/Modules in Osirion? Literally the first I've ever heard of it.

>>50777546
Because Paizo is incapable of thinking outside their modern 21st century mindset.

The whole trans/agender stuff they can do, albeit badly, because thats become part of that 21st century mindset. Nobody's campaigning for polygamy.

>>50777587

Mummy's Mask is an entire AP set in Osirion.

>>50777587

Mummys Mask my friend. A full AP

>>50777587
Mummy's Mask

>>50777605
>>50777609
>>50777610
brb gonna take care of my Egyptboner

Serious question though, 1-10, how good is Mummy's Mask?

>>50777593

Well well, isn't that the sign of being a bunch of hack-fraud shitty setting writers who are more interested in standing on their soap box than give a compelling setting? No wonder Golarion is a joke even compared to the "Literally What" of Faerun, they've had 10 fucking years to develop their world and the only cool things to come out of it have nothing to do with their crappy ideologies.

I mean god damn, it's their preachiness that makes Wrath of the Righteous so *toxic* for the first book, it's basically a rainbow wonderland of the diverse CG homo-squad fighting against the uniform faceless organized oppression organization. Oh wait, that's just Amber Scott, a woman they hired to write their book and a woman that's gone on to ruin many other games with her self-proclaimed activism. The fact Paizo is willing to even hire someone like that speaks volumes about their competency as a gaming company.

>>50777593
But wouldn't Paizo be all about polyamory?
Oh, not in the sense of having multiple spouses or lovers working in concert, of course--but certainly in the sense of some STRONG WYMYN going "I'm so LIBERATED that I run through a dozen fuccbois a week and then make hubby buy me shit."

>>50777635

6 or 7 out of 10.

>>50777657
Yes.

Yes it is.

>>50777657
>>50777666
I'm brand new to TTRPGs and Pathfinder... Is the company who males this stuff really that bad? I haven't noticed anything like this thus far.

>>50777666

Anon, what you're saying makes Paizo very, very uncomfortable! They might preach and preach about being a liberal company of progressive values and forward-thinking ideals, but at the end of the day they're still just fat nerds and desperate lonely assholes that realize no matter how much they white knight, no proper woman will want to get within 100 feet of their blubbery asses.

That's the reason Polyamory is not in the setting, anon. Because it hurts them because it cuts too close to home.

>>50776846
Was running some onslaught numbers. Physical being "per die", while it applies once it applies 1/die.

Level 20: Single 10d, composite 20d. Rapid/Haste/Burned +5
Omnistrike and a range-enhancer (5 or 6 of up to -10 for composites with a full action) used on Onslaught, Twinshot metakinesis on regulars.
Doubled Shots: Simple 30x, Composite 50x
Deadly Aim (Energy Aim) +8, Con +8 (4 energy)
Overflow: +12 for standards

Simple Omnistrike Energy: 30*3.5+12 = 117
Simple Standard-Twin Eng: 2(10d6+24) = 118

Simple Omnistrike Physical: 30*3.5+30+16 = 151
Simple Standard-Twin Phys: 2*(10d6+10+28)=146
So for simple blasts, as long as you've no equipment or other boosts improving things, it's very very close with standard kineticists marginally better at energy, and onslaughts a bit better at physical. Any equipment such as the gloves, diadem, etc will tip things in favor of the standard though.

Composite Energy Omnistrike: 50*3.5+12 = 187
Composite Energy TwinShot: 2*(20d6+24) = 188

Composite Physical Omnistrike: 50*3.5+50+16 = 241
Composite Physical TwinShot: 2*(20d6+20+28) = 236

We've got the same situation here.
Currently it seems the best setup for an onslaught is having less losses to something like epoch-blast when attempting to debilitate targets; the save penalty could stack to -16, and the damage reduction from the untyped damage forms is not as drastic as when using a standard kineticist.

Remaining burn is limited, so choose your substance/form combination carefully.

>>50777564
Loved how they went over shit like this in Al-Qadim.
>No more than four wives, one for each element
>Can bring in as many "courtesans" as you can support, but first wife has to sign off on them
>Bringing a courtesan into your house without being married is a no-no
>Seafaring cultures have women marrying multiple men because they'll usually never have to interact with any of the other husbands due to being out on a voyage
>Divorce is acceptable, way more informal among nomads, but also more reversible

>>50777696
>Is the company who males this stuff really that bad?

White Wolf is worse, but Paizo is really, really up there. We might happily lap up the few good pieces of material they throw our way, but at the end of the day we pray they go out of business within the year.

>>50776940
TJ, is that you? Accept my skype friend request you jerk!

>>50777696
Nah, this is only talk about specific official settings, and is stuff you can flat out ignore or at least work around if you decide to go with a prewritten campaign

>>50777657
>Faerun
What's the deal with Faerun tho?

>>50777696
Oh good pun.

Well it's often hidden away in the adventure paths; but when you run into it it's really heavy-handed.

Their official responses on the forums are where the shit gets just plain retarded.

>>50777696
Paizo is cancer for all the reasons >>50777657 said and more. The only reason they were ever successful in the first place was because they rewrote the rules from DnD 3.5e to compete with 4e, and even with that they failed to address most of the key problems with 3.5e rules.

>>50777735

How the hell are you supposed to wring out the poison from Wrath of the Righteous?

>>50777750

It's extremely bland as a setting.

>>50777726
>White Wolf is worse
Yeah, I've read some of their shit. Bloodlines is one of my favorite games of all time.
>>50777735
Gotcha. The other people I play with a more liberal than I, but I'm not really that conservative. I just voted for Trump and they were about Bernie. But we don't discuss politics because who gives a fuck?

>>50777696

Going off of >>50777759, the only reason they were even able to become as powerful as they did was doing a streamline of 3.5e just as Wizards of the Coast started making 4e, which was *nothing* like 3.5e and more or less a failure.

So, when faced with either doing 4e or Pathfinder, many chose Pathfinder.

>>50777760
Really? How bland are we talking- Call of Duty Every Year bland, or Tofu and Rice bland?

>>50777714
Okay, I will admit that I didn't realize the save penalty could stack that high, I might have to do something about that. I'm not terribly worried about the damage, but the save penalty is rough.

I do appreciate you running the math here, since I'm very much a 'seat of my pants' designer who goes with what feels comfortable (which works surprisingly often).

>>50777753
>Oh good pun.
I promise that wasn't intentional, it was autocorrect.

>>50777698
What I actually think it is, is that it just doesnt occur to them.

Like, I have my setting, and it didnt occur to me to include black people. Why? Well, im not black, nor am I exposed to the issues black people may face. It just didnt occur to me as something my setting needed to cover.

On the other hand, paizo has people on staff who will just NEVER SHUT UP about these sorts of things.

Ythink JJ woulda included all this 'muh trans' in his setting if not for certain people constantly harping on about it?

>>50777783

Call of Duty every year bland, it's by-the-books and very safe in that dull, mindless sort of way.

Only it doesn't even have the decency to give you the big booms.

>>50777750
Personally my biggest beef with it is that it's the most sloppy-seconds of adventure locales.

EVERYWHERE has been done.
If you're somewhere, Elminster was there first. And maybe also Volo. Or Voldo. And the Harpers. And the characters from a handful of novels.

Found a +2 sword in that dungeon? You're happy? You wanna know why it was there?

BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE LOOTING THE PLACE, THEY CHUCKED THAT +2 TO SAVE SOME CARRYING CAPACITY AND IT WAS JUST THAT WEAK AND UNIMPORTANT NOW TO THEM. Because that dungeon's been explored before.

And big realm problems? Problem: you ain't the one who could solve it, you're the one those people dumped it on.

>Uh, well, I COULD use one of my 18 high level spell slots for the day to solve this instantly, but I guess you guys need some XP and mystra's feeling frisky, so I leave it to you guys. Go get the staff of rain and the rainbow drop,mmkaay?

there's nothing that hasn't already fucked any location in faerun, and you're coming in afterwards.

>>50777769
Alrighty. I just wanted to try a TTRPG and hit up a friend I was in the Marines with. I wanted to play Delta Green specifically, but he already had a group that just started playing Pathfinder already and invited me. Pretty fun thus far, but good lord are there a lot of feats.

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>>50777784
Forget my trip, life is hell.

The save penalty might need to be switched out for something else, but hey, that's what playtests are for.

>>50777390
I think Aether Rounds has become a bit too underwhelming with the uses-per-round nerf, especially compared to Aether Channel with thrown weapons - the latter can benefit off haste, rapid shot, and blinkback belt for four full aether pulse attacks at level 5, while Aether Rounds is stuck at one pulse attack until level 8.

In fact, that's probably even worse than Aether Barrage for most of the game.

>>50777793
>Ythink JJ woulda included all this 'muh trans' in his setting if not for certain people constantly harping on about it?

Fuuuuuuuuck no, if JJ had his way we'd be getting spunky low-wisdom NPCs encouraging the party to go topple a monarchy while giving the party's rogue a blowjob.

Actually, JJ isn't that bad of a DM if I'm being honest, he just needs to learn to keep his CG boner in his pants once in a while.

>>50777832

>good lord are there a lot of feats.

5e has feats as an optional rule, and is a better game because of it

>>50777724
See stuff like that is actually interesting setting-background. Will it matter much to PCs? Probably not. But is it something that shows there's been thought and logic put into how NPCs live their lives and how the world works? Hell yeah!

>>50777841
Mm. We may have overnerfed it. Right now, there's some discussions going on regarding how best to handle it; ranged full attacks are a bit awkward in general in PF thanks to how good they are.

Thanks for your feedback though.

>>50777848
That's basically why I dont mind JJ at all. He's just some guy, you know? For all the memeing, he doesnt really do anything bad. Fuck, his propensity for low wis characters is fucking vanilla around here.

>>50777784
The save penalty is huge, but the damage is no better than a regular kineticist.

Actually, if you grab optional equipment such as the diadem (1pp), or the gloves and crown (only the ring is a bit better by a flat +10 in favor of omnistriking) then the twin-shot meta is beating out the omnistrike any given day of the week.

Only an esoteric epochblast comparison will skew things in favor of the onslaught; the -2 sizes really screwing the gains the regular kineticist would have gained. But that's precisely a case where the element you've chosen is meant to put a debuff on the guy.

The damage is actually a little on the low end, truth be told. These are setups for fairly optimized 20s here, not level 11s. It's still better than the original kineticist especially since you can twin-meta with actions instead of killing yourself, but the closeness was surprising; thought the onslaught would hit harder.

>>50777896

Seriously, as much as we love to meme about JJ, he's really just some guy with kinks and the authority to insert them into a campaign. I know if *I* had a big-dick title in a company like Paizo I'd litter the world with well-endowed women and bulky, muscular men, ole Jacobs is living the goddamn *DREAM.*

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Quick question:

Are all Fey functionally immortal (don't die by aging), or are they only immortal while they're in the First World? Do they have a lifespan when they're in Golarion, and if so, what is it?

Pic unrelated, have a harpy for your trouble.

>>50777884
I mean, I do like having options, I just feel like there's too many options. I don't even know what to pick, except my first two(I'm a human druid and got augment summoning and the other prerequisite feat).

>>50777587
Mummy's mask and a few short modules, such as the pact stone pyramid and a couple of society ones.

>>50777896
Isn't he indirectly to blame for a bunch of stupid shit happening, or is he merely one of the dudes who looked at stupid shit and went "yea that seems right, stick it in". I know that his "ask my anything" thread makes me legitimately want to hurt someone every time I see any of his answers.

>hates lawful good because he thinks it's the stick-in-the-mud alignment
>insists that Paladins are completely 100% defined by lawful good and "MUST ALWAYS BE STICK IN THE MUDS WHO RUIN CAMPAIGNS"

STILL MAD

>>50777920
I did remove the +1 gained from the metakinecist replacements out of fear, each blast also got +1 damage before. I think I'll probably return that since the math is stacking up the way it is, and find something else to do for the save reduction. As a whole though, it's probably my favorite archetype in the book.

>>50777942

>Feat trees with useless opportunity cost feats you have to take now to get stuff you actually want later

fuck that shit

>>50777969

>tfw LE is my favorite alignment to play

Does that make me a bad person?

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Tell me about your favorite Witch patrons, /pfg!/

'tis the season for Winter Witches, yes, but surely you've other favorites as well!

>>50777941
They are either ageless, keen on reincarnating in the First World no matter where they die or just long lived. It's never answered.

>>50777989
>you're both lawful AND evil

according to JJ you're a double Satan

>>50777997

>cold as fuck
>exposed crotch
>exposed chest
>exposed neck
>exposed hands

why

>>50777969
I think one of his issues is his personal investment in the setting, seeing as it was originally his original setting for orivate games. So he's trying to hold onto what he thinks it should be while sanitizing it for the public AND dealing with the rest of the crew wanting to shove shit in.

>>50777969
>Isn't he indirectly to blame for a bunch of stupid shit happening, or is he merely one of the dudes who looked at stupid shit and went "yea that seems right, stick it in".

Kind of both? JJ always struck me as the type of person that would obviously have a bone to pick for Lawful-oriented campaigns, but at the same time he's more or less keen on subtly inserting sex shit rather than social justice.

He's just a guy with his own opinions and fetishes, he doesn't have an agenda.

>>50778035
>needing to protect yourself from the thing you have ABSOLUTE COMMAND over

What, should pyromancers wear silver vulcanologist suits?

>>50778035

The cold never bothered her anyway.

It's the Crystal Maiden, a dubious title considering how often I've seen her cocksleeved in porn before.

>>50777666

A few of the more flirtateous women might be a bit like that, with or without the husband.

>>50777696
Eh,I am quite okay with it. There are a few really bad spots (Iomedae in Wrath of the Righteous),some more where I roll my eyes, but overall, I find it a decent D&D-like system.

I have done minor adjustments in the official campaigns I've run, but in most cases it was to make them more passable to me and my group. Not everyone will have the same taste.

Now and then I think almost everyone here actually enjoys Pathfinder, but just disses it because it is the expected thing to do.

>>50778045

Fun Fact: Androffa, the place where the Divinity starship that crashed into Numeria was from, is his original setting.

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>>50777834
I don't dislike the save penalty, but it might be too specific while being too high.

How about this: Since I'm a bit worried about the damage myself:

Every 5 hits nets you +2 damage (increased to +3 at 11 or 12 or so) to the total against the target, and the -1 to saves, to a maximum of -5

With a utility purchase (just like improved flurry) if you hit 10+ times you cause them to roll twice on the save just like flurry, but the save penalty is reduced by 2 if you force twin saves (so at ten hits that's two rolls at 0 or one roll at -2 and you'll need 35 instead of 25 total hits if you want two rolls at -5).

This makes the targeted strike ability more generally useful while also tipping damage a little, to allow damage to go a bit higher but without guaranteeing a higher floor against multiple targets (so it won't help murder mooks more)

>>50778015
Thanks anon

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>>50777666
I dunno, Jackpot Satan, you tell me.

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>much of the thread is refining two entirely different blaster classes/archetypes

>>50778062
Rylai is pure as an ice crystal! Pure!

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>>50777760
>How the hell are you supposed to wring out the poison from Wrath of the Righteous?

You want me to give the obviously biased, but clearly focused on what you think is "poison" response?

>Anevia is now a "natural" woman
>Her lover is now a dude, a half-orc Paladin with a big proper dick and an almost bashful view on all the popularity he's been getting
>The turbo-queer couple is now heterosexual, the black Shelynite guy is now a black Shelynite girl trying to get her junkie twink boyfriend off the blood
>That one Dwarf is written with *lay* less "they're oppressing us" undertones
>Get rid of that one resistance group entirely, make it a PC-only mission
>The Templars are now a particularly organized demon cult, remove the vaguely "fuck Christianity, amirite?" Vibes

Make the queen like, 10 years younger and describe her as an exceptionally talented battlefield commander whose lifetime on the field has made her adorably naive to the ways of love and you've got a great start to a great campaign.

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>>50778130

A woman that dresses like this can not be pure.

I'm not saying she's a slut, but she can't be pure.

>>50777760

>How the hell are you supposed to wring out the poison from Wrath of the Righteous?

First of all, skip the first adventure entirely

It's complete bullshit: You're primed to fight the fucking crusade against demons and then you get trapped in a cave during a cutscene and have to fight demihumans appropriate to your level while all the cool stuff happens offscreen

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>>50778090
Okay, so the following line has been added to onslaught blaster:

>For each two additional blasts beyond the first which targets the same creature, the target takes an additional +1 damage for energy blasts and an additional +3 damage for physical blasts.

I'm pretty sure this is the proper offset to energy/physical, because keeping them at the same for the amount of blasts that hit regardless of blast type would just make energy too good, and I'd rather go lower numbers on both the number needed to hit and the damage to make it more immediately rewarding.

>>50778190
>First of all, skip the first adventure entirely

What the fuck was Paizo thinking with letting Amber Scott anywhere close to their office?

>>50778208
That she adds a +2 dodge bonus to their social justice score?

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>>50777977
It's the purity of it, I think.
I've rarely seen an archetype or class that tries so little to be anything but exactly what it says on the tin.

>This is shootmore
>It will shoot more
>It will also shoot most
>Remove these abilities, in exchange shoot more
>You don't do bonus damage you do even more shots
>More shots?
>More shots.

There is *no* confusion. When you take onslaught sniper, you have decided your entire combat style.

I don't think I need to tell you that if there were a weapon for it like the leviathan crossbow, there's no way in hell it can be anything without the words "rotary" or "vulcan" in it!

Even if it's like, six staves on an electric motor or something.

>>50778242
That and "OH LET'S HAVE A GIRL WRITE IT BECAUSE MORE WYMYN WILL GET INTO THE HOBBY AND THEN MORE $$$$$"

But yeah, Wrath of the Righteous and everything else can be fixed with a little work

>>50778242
Even though she has admitted to seeing LGBTs as collectibles rather than people?

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How does /pfg/ feel about an old knight going to grey; while age has dulled his body it's not dulled his mind, and just becuase he needs a little help getting into his armor nowadays doesn't make it any less well maintained--that or his collection of battlefield trinkets, from the bullet they dug out of his gut to save his life years ago to the helmet that belonged to his first squire before the poor boy's unfortunate, prideful end. He's not as good in a fight, but he's been around long enough to know a trap and ambush when he sees one--and his deep respect for his past has awakened some magical ability in him, letting him use those little objects of memory to support his fellow knights in battle even when his sword arm grows weak and his vision starts to blur?

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>>50778269
>But yeah, Wrath of the Righteous and everything else can be fixed with a little work

You know what? Pathfinder General doesn't have an awful lot to talk about nowadays, why don't we actually pump out a revised edition of Wrath of the Righteous, shove it in a pastebin, and maybe see about running it to see check out how much better the AP is?

Like, it's got a really cool premise and the *idea* of Mythic is fun, but it's got a ton of little things that make it shitty. Let's figure out every little thing and fix them, and maybe add some fun things of our own.

>>50778286
>>50778269
>>50778208

I dont give a fuck about SJW overtones, a lesbian paladin or a transsexual rogue is fine as long as the adventure isn't "escort these NPCs through a generic boring dungeon instead of fighting a cool battle against demons and dragons and shit in a giant fucking siege for minas tirith"

>>50778295

It sounds good to me, senpai, but what classes did you have in mind and how are you going to handle the Age penalties?

>>50778326

Occultist, probably. MAYBE with a cavalier dip if I find an Order I like. As far as age penalties, depends on what the GM rules for it; otherwise I was just gonna slap him at middle aged, but the older half of it.

>>50778318

Thing is, *both* of those can be fixed in the campaign.

And if you really want to make a compelling SJW character, give us a lovely Paladin-woman that used to be a dude, and make her romanceable.

Like, really make it a hard sell.

>>50778326
>to handle the Age penalties?
>He's not as good in a fight

>>50778305
>>50778372
/pfg/, let's make it happen. Where do we need to start?

>>50778326
By complaining about how he's too old for this shit and how it can't be good for his weary old bones

>>50778340
>I was just gonna slap him at middle aged
What you think about aasimar with Immortal Spark (lesser age resistance once per day)?

>>50778398
You need to make it so the PCs aren't stuck underground for the first part, to begin with, and yet be able to survive the crazy shit that's happening.

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Would /pfg/ ever play in a 1pp-only tier 3 game?

>>50778372
>>50778318
>>50778398
>>50778413


Either the siege should've taken place later in the AP, or the first adventure should've been about low level mooks defending during a siege:

Missions would be recovering fallen soldiers, getting those damned imps off the walls, running desparate missions to the supply depots under enemy control, finding parts for the siege engine and repairing it, manning the siege engine against godzilla as he storms the front gates, rappeling down the sides of the walls, climbing up the back of godzilla while ballistas rek him from the front and stabbing him in the dick

>>50778408

I think I was planning on having him just be human, to be honest; immortal spark aasimar may be better mechanically but it takes away some of the fun of roleplaying about his advancing age, I feel?

>>50778425
Yes
No
Maybe
Could you kill yourself?

>>50778433

I am getting some heavy 'siege of bastion's keep' vibes from that post, anon.

AND I LIKE IT.

>>50778398
Actually having someone write it. I can name the productive individuals who are native to /pfg/ on one hand. Most people here just regurgitate opinions and don't have a creative bone in their body. Also most have no mind for design.

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>>50778413
So let's put a focus on the first part of the campaign
Maybe after we get it all through we can run it for us like RotJR, hopefully with the same hype

>>50778433
>>50778444
>>50778455

Seriously, I'm up for a rewrite of the AP. I don't have much to do with my time anyway.

>>50778425
Yeah I would.

>>50778433

Considering the fight, couldn't they be eventually forced underground for a last stand that they somehow manage to win and then rally the survivors?

Why not write a new AP rather than try and fix a shit AP?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11901069

vote for themes

>>50778425
I'm currently in a 1pp only tier 3/4 game (U Rogue, Warpriest, Slayer) and it's bretty good.

>>50778444

How to get PCs to care about a turbosexual toasterkin: Have the toasterkin be on the fucking walls defending the siege engine against 20 imps and going "I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT! I WILL NOT VANISH WITHOUT A FIGHT!" and then when the PCs save xihrih, xidfhdi says "THANK YOU FRIENDS BUT THE FIGHT CONTINUES" and dives into the next group of enemies

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>>50778249
Okay, some new text on targeted strike:

>Targeted Strike (Su) At 9th level, whenever the onslaught sniper uses their onslaught blast, for every five blasts that successfully hit the same creature, that creature takes a -1 penalty to all saving throws against substance infusions and form infusions applied to the kinetic blast. This penalty cannot exceed the onslaught sniper’s Constitution modifier.

It's still probably too large a penalty, but it's more manageable than it was before.

>>50778478

Since the goodguys lose, the final part of the adventure would be about securing a safe haven and blowing up the entrance probably

>>50778497
Because fixing a skeleton is easier than making a whole new one.

>>50778563

Or, have a mythic artifact underneath the city that the PCs have to recover: once they get it, they are superturbocharged enough to fight godzilla, but once they kill him the power fades away and they have to accomplish their own mythic deeds to recover the mythic power

>>50778526
>YOU'RE DENYING MY ENTIRE EXISTENCE! I TOAST, THEREFORE I AM! And I RESENT the implication that I'm a one-dimensional, bread-obsessed electrical appliance.

>>50778541
Not too large. Scaleable.
Probably won't exceed +6 early on, and +10 if you REALLY went into it.

>>50778497
I've been on and off working on a PoW and Spheres heavy "AP" about a bunch of people being exiled from not!Rome to not!Scandinavian and eventually leading a tribe of not!Sami into dominance over the northern section of the continent, interspersed with battles against the scouting forces of an Orcish Caliphate, the final book of the AP being to throw off the Invasion and launch a counter offensive across the sea.

Kinda relies on all casters being Spherecasters without access to Advanced Talents, though, with a recommendation that all vanilla Martials take either a Spheres or PoW archetype.

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>>50778604

It's like they always say, anon.

All toasters toast toast.

>>50778627
>Kinda relies on all casters being Spherecasters without access to Advanced Talents
I don't think a Blanket Ban on advanced talents is fine.

Like there's a world of fucking difference between shit like Holy Smite, Diagram, and Pemancy vs stuff like Penetrating Energy Regeneration, etc.

>>50778647
No they dont, they toast bread! And what about crumpets?

>>50778372

>Make the transsexual a love interest

Dude, that's such an excellent way to make players actually give a damn about your politics pushing that I can't believe Paizo overlooked it.

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>>50778425
>>50778472
>>50778505
Why would you ever play if you can't be an initiator or a spherecaster?

>>50778425

I really, really like that girl's dress.

>>50778425
It's the only way my friendgroup plays

>>50778832
Because Alchemist is the best class

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>>50778526

>The gay couple are shown in-game as incredibly duo fighters easily holding an entire segment of the wall on their own
>The transsexual totally single and ready to mingle chick is holding the gate on her own

Fucking dammit stop making this cool.

>>50778832
Because some people don't need buffs to be able to have fun or perform their role with grace.

>>50778832
Because we aren't fueled by only memes.

>>50778821

TRANSGENDERS ARE NOT HERE FOR YOU TO FUCKING FETISHIZE YOUR SHITHEAD

>>50778425
That's basically how I operate anyway. Classes too powerful will have me embarrass the GM or the rest of the group for no reason, classes with too few options are dull.

>>50778873
>>50778874
Initiators and spherecasters are a downgrade from just being a wizard even at level 1.

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>>50778862

>>50778832
Beastmorph Vivisectionists and Living Grimoire Inquisitors, mostly.

>>50778875
Yeah, they're here to jump in front of trucks because they're mentally ill.

>>50778454
Convince Forrest to write it; he's productive.

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>>50778875

GOSH HECKING DARN IT ANY GIRL COULD TELL YOU THE QUICKEST WAY TO MAKE A MAN ACTUALLY CONSIDER YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS IS BY MAKING THEM GORGEOUS AND FUCKABLE.

A HOT SINGLE TRANSSEXUAL LADY-KNIGHT WOULD MAKE EVEN THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MAN RECONSIDER THEIR VIEWS WHEN THE BUSTY BLONDE ADMITS SHE USED TO BE A HE. IT'S THE EASIEST GOSH DARN THING TO DO.

>>50778866
>gay couple are shown in-game as incredibly duo fighters
Iridian Fold?

>>50778454
Who ARE these productive individuals?

>>50778944

Yup! They're a pair of swarthy Keleshites from Casmaron and they're here to kill some god damn demons!

To the person who was complaining that 25 PB means characters without flaws - out of the 46 RotJR character sheets, 14 have no stats below 10. 29, more than twice that, have one stat below 10. 3 have two stats below 10.

So I actually have some problems with the balancing point for initiators, but not when it comes to offense. Their offensive side is not what I want to address in this post.

From both being a GM and a player what I have experienced and garnered from the rules is initiator's are absolutely fantastic on defense this is due to how counters are designed.

No matter what initiating class you are counters are around, and as implied they are predominately defense based. Any good initiator will be packing panic button counters. Because of the limited design space of counters and the over crowded market of disciplines a lot of counters step on each other's toes (in terms of "this helps with a save", "this helps with attacks", etc.). Therefore an initiator can easily have 2 counters for a particular defense and thus essentially never be without it (due to swift/move action recovery).

Now these defenses completely blow other class's defenses out of the water. This form of active by occasion defense is something most other classes do not have. A few spells do similar, like the bard's saving finale, but they are few and far between and tend to be both less powerful and more conditional.

So what I have seen is that in a mixed party of tier 3 paizo characters and initiators is the initiators (particularly some classes like the Warder) are FAR more durable. If I as a game master wish to threaten the initiator it will likely kill the tier 3 paizo characters, and if I want to threaten but not kill the tier 3 paizo characters it will not touch the initiator.

This is a design point I do not like about Path of War content. It is one of the issues I have. I have others. On a whole I do not like Path of War because while it adds fun options it does not, in my opinion, do much to address the larger issues.

Note: I am not talking about tiers here except as a way to list classes, I am talking about during combat issues. I do not want to talk about tiers or "what is a Wizard does X".

>>50779000
That's some impressive autism and some sweet trips, but don't drag up old trolls please.

>>50779040
I can't help myself anon. I wish I could.

>>50779008
To be fair, Snake Style exists. My personal problem with counters is with the ones that can negate full attacks by moving the initiator out of range of the attack, either by putting them behind cover or just out of reach.

>>50779008
Just attack them twice in one turn, wow

And secondly, swift actions are super important and often using up your immediate to counter a minor attack isn't worth using up your next swift. This runs direct counter to swift action recovery which you said is a problem.

>>50779008

OverPOWered

>>50779100
>Just attack them twice in one turn, wow
Again, this is not an exercise in "how to kill the initiator", one can do this easily.

It is about the level of defense between the initiator and the inquisitor being very different. The two attacks I use against the initiator will kill the magus twice as quickly or even more.

>And secondly, swift actions are super important and often using up your immediate to counter a minor attack isn't worth using up your next swift.

Did you not actually read my post. That is why I am saying the "by prescription" defense is superior. An initiator can use spellcraft to identify a spell as it is cast before deciding whether to try and counter it or not.

Even then there are counters that eliminate entire full attacks, make you immune to magic, move you out of range, and more. They at low levels are limited to single attacks, but by the time a third iterative attack and by the time quicken spell becomes viable they have moved away.

Simply saying "well since he can counter I shall target him with 2 spells a round" means nothing because it isn't about trying to defeat him. That's not the attitude we're talking about. It's the difference in balance between the defensive suites.

>>50779072
True! However that is only able to negate one attack, where as counters often counter more than one or have extra powerful effects (like dazing the target).

>>50778526
Why you gotta be a cunt about it?

>>50778821
See it's one thing if it turns out as a joke, but paizo would write it out as "and if the character refuses these advances their alignment immediately shifts to Chaotic Evil and the king of two countries over in two books will be hostile" or something stupid of the sort.

But if it's like
>Oh don't worry honey, I couldn't possibly get pregnant
>Oh phew, that's a relief. uh, why can't you get pregnant?
>I used to be a man!

>>50778841
Ditto.
Current wife would look amazing in something like that.

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>>50779306
>Current

>>50779290

Does the potion of gender-changing or whatever make you sterile? I thought since it's magic, it wouldn't have that issue.

>>50779290
I freaked a player out by explaining why my changeling character won't age normally and won't get pregnant.

You see, changelings are the daughters of hags and mortals (and it's important to remember these men could have been elves, humans, half-orcs, whatever). Now, every changeling hears "The Call" of her mother, and most PC changelings resist it. But the thing is, the Call that gets answered means the changeling turns into a hag. So....what happens if they don't?

They age normally, but they do not grow up. They start withering away at old age. they can't get pregaant and they never develop secondary sexual characteristics because they are neotenic - they are literally larval versions of a species which hags are the adults of.

He was so confused by why my character wasn't interested in sex with anyone, male or female. So I told him. He looked ill.

Can't imagine why.

>>50779334

>CURRENT WIFE

I mean COME ON

Why would someone in a fantasy setting, particularly anyone with PC levels, be transexual? I mean not used to be transexual, but are still transexual. Because you can just buy a potion that turns you into the other sex. Or heck, you can pay a wizard to turn you into a fucking cat if it tickles your fancy.

Only poor people would suffer from being a transexual and not being able to do something about it. Even then it's 2kgp for an Elixer of Sex Shifting.

Someone with a profession with 2 ranks in it and let's say OH MY +1 wisdom mod can get that in:
>take 10
>+6 profession
>16
>8gp per week
>52*8=416gp
>10gp per month for average lifestyle
>416-120=296
>2250/296=7.6

Ok, so 7 years. Let's see if he's buying a polymorph any object. It only cost 1200 then, and becoming another humanoid is almost always enough for permanent.

>1200/296=4.05

You gotta work for four years then you're a real girl/boy/fish/dog/etc. There ya go.

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>>50778668
Consider your recommendation noted, I've changed a few things in the introductory PDF.

>>50779395

Why would anyone be impovishered in the real world? All you gotta do is work minimum wage and put all of your money into high interest rate compound interest investments and become a billionaire in a few days

>>50779395
This is white privilege

Really though, 2k gold is pretty expensive, and there's a lot of shit unaccounted for. Child weddings, goblin raids fucking up your house, barbarian raids fucking up your place of work, etc.

>>50779164
I agree, there's a clear power gap between initiator and non initiator martials, and I typically wouldn't run them both in the same party without houserules.

The question though isn't whether it's automatically bad for being different, but rather which way is healthier for the game.

Disparity isn't helpful for the game, but having active defense options that involve choices, and the ability to not get rocket tagged out, is good for the game.

>>50779498
"Skilled labor" is a bare minimum. Unskilled labor is are ditch diggers, slaves, and just lifters. So yes, if we have a transexual ditch digger then they are stuck with it unless they go and learn a profession or decide to go start punching kobolds for laughs.

My main issue is a transexual adventurer makes no sense past level 2, as they can just afford to be changed into what ever.

>>50779500
They'd have to move to a big city in order to find a wizard to do the spell in the first place. I'd say double the time for unexpected costs. 8 years and you can be a fish.

>>50779511
However the only folks that have this regularly are initiators. Some styles let you do it a bit and some spell do it a little, but really they are few and far between, and limited.

>>50779511
Is monsters rocket tagging characters that common though? Most of the time it seems like monsters have fairly reduced damage output compared to PCs in exchange for inflated health pools and more defensive abilities.

>>50779609
When you say rocket tag, what does that actually mean
I'm still trying to learn this game

>>50779628
Rocket tag described mostly people with PC levels vs people with PC levels, or certain monsters. It's combat being ended quickly because offense massively outweigh defense.

>>50779628
Okay take any FPS multiplayer. Like, Halo, everyone knows Halo.

Now, play with rocket-launchers-only (that IS an option you know).

Whoever shoots and hits first wins. Nothing else matters because the other guy is dead, who cares if you had some debuff with your hit?

>>50779628
You ever play a match in Halo where everyone had rocket launchers, and whoever shot first won? Same concept.

Do muleback cords increase your overhead, off of ground and push/drag weights, or do they just change your light/med/heavy load weights?

>>50779628
One touch, one kill.

>>50779735
The overhead/lift/drag values are directly multiplied from the base limits. Yes.

Rate out local trip/name/avatarfags.

Who are the best, who are the word, put the into tiers.

>>50779806
no

>>50779806

You are the shittiest

>>50779806
>Making Blasters good tier
N. Jolly
Forrest

>Fuck Off Tier
Everyone else

>>50779888
Spheres already did that though.

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>>50779373

Nope, it turns you into the gender you mentally identify as, which would mean the outies turn into innies and congratulations you can have babies!

Plus, since you haven't been popping eggs since you hit puberty you could probably remain fertile into your 50s.

>>50779290

Oh shush, we're talking /pfg/ revised rules, which would mean the hypothetical Transsexual paladin woman would be dashing and brave yet adorable or refreshingly forward in her advances. The point behind the character is introducing people - especially people who have never met a Transsexual before - to the idea that hey, just because she was not always a she does not mean you can't pound that puss and feel her enjoying every second of it.

>>50779806
That's a great way to make 'em dissappear.
I'd rather not because I like helping out there development cycle and actually like the work they do.

>>50778841
>high heels

Blegh.

>>50779969

You are either 10 or asexual

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>>50779969

>He doesn't like high heels

But why?

>>50779909
Doesnt it just swap you to the opposite sex? And like have a 1% chance of making you a nothing?

>>50780005
Or a tomboy.

>>50780029
>Doesnt it just swap you to the opposite sex?

I'm like 80% sure the potion explicitly states it changes you into the gender you mentally identify as, which is a fancy way of saying, "hey, player! What do you think this character should be?"

>>50779909
I know what you're wanting to do, and what it is is Samus. Well, pre-other-M Samus.

Complete badass professional death machine, tons of rep, and (though nowadays no one would consider that a big reveal), just happens to be female.

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