Since every other faction is basically irrelevant, who's

>>50747879
Necrons could easily beat both of them.

>>50747879
>who's going to win, Tyranids or Chaos?
Necrons.

>>50747879
>Trying to summon Carnac the Eternally Assblasted
I hope have about eight hours to spare.

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>>50747928
Didn't we have a thread that BTFO'd Necronfags literally yesterday?

Necrons couldn't even beat the knife ears, and we just proved the Nids would beat them ez

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>>50747879
IIRC there is a major battle between chaos and nids for an entire planet.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink
the nids ended up winning for a couple of reasons.

1. nids dont have souls/blood that chaos need. just "ichor"
2. shadow in the warp was seriously hampering chaos' ability to remain corporeal. alot of troops were flickering in and out of existence.
3. nids are pretty good at attrition battles and were able to keep pace with chaos' infinate reinforcements from the warp by making new nids.
4. nids have better ranged firepower/artillery

anyone have a battle from the chaos side with chaos winning?

>>50747943
>Necrons drive both Eldar and Porto-Orks to near extinction
>Get tired of constantly killing them
>Decide to get pay back on star gods who fucked themover
>Take a 60 million year nap during which the Eldar never fuck with them due to fear of loosing another war in heaven

Admit it, Necrons are the most powerful faction.

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>>50747993
>can't even FTL

>>50747943
yes we did. it was pretty much proven that the necron people were outright liars.

>>50748213
T. asshurt nid fan

>>50748213
I thought that it devolved into inconclusive bickering like always?

also, you may have summoned the necron fags

>>50747879
Honestly, it depends. If the nids wipe out most sentient life in the Milky Way before Chaos can plunge the galaxy into the warp, the nids win. Other way around? Chaos wins. Honestly, everyone else is fucked either way.

>>50748013
I think they can and without using shit tier dip into immaterium but some kind of gravitational warp drive or wormhole.
Or maybe I'm not with newest lore.

This thread is about Chaos vs Tyranids.

Necron fags get out. You had your thread.

>>50748361
Nothing is safe from the Necrons.

>>50747993
>>Get tired of constantly killing them
Necron fanboys are really the worst, I feel sorry, for posting >>50747928

>>50748440
Oh yeah. I'm sure you posted that ya faggot.

>>50747879

Tau

>>50747983
On the same token though, daemons don't have biomass and can't truly die, and therefore are a massive waste of resources for the 'Nids to fight.

>>50747879
Tyranids are in the best position to win the less they fight chaos directly. If they were to wipe out every other faction, there's no one left to feed chaos because tyranids don't have souls.

What if nurgle rot/disease could take hold of the tyranids. I mean if it was chaos top priority to deal with the nids, then wouldn't nurgle dip deep into his cauldron to see what he could cookup for the nids, and maybe tzeentch could so some psyke fuckery to attempt to interfer with the hivemind? I guess khorne and slaanesh would just be limited to making sure footsoilders are as bloodthirsty and well equipt for the ground battle but still? Maybe it's worth a thought

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>>50748013
>inertialess drive

>>50749851

is no longer canon

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>>50748491
Because of this I think that in the long run during a war chaos would come up on top.

Also chaos can corrupt mortal servants to do their biding so if chaos is involved with all its power we would have to invole chaos space marines.

If it's a war that's purely 1v1 I would say it depends on the degree of corruption of the planet and warp fuckery going on. Normal material realm I would give tyranids the victory. Tyranids invading a planet in the middle of the eye of terror however would be an assured loss.

>>50747918
Christ why do these threads bring out the worst wankery in you fanboys?

>>50748491
The tyranids also don't really lose any biomass since they consume and repurpose their dead.

/tg/ has become so rampant with Chaosfags due to the HH books it's almost hilarious.

When Chaos literally shoots itself in the face to spite it's nose as it's standard battlefield tactic, you know the people backing that horse are stupid as fuck.

>>50753957
Entropy is a thing.

>>50754055
Tyranids don't consume biomass to gain energy. They consume it to gain more mass trough which to create more nids.

>>50754055
Not to tyranids.
The codex has mentioned that when two fleets fight the winner eats everything and there is no net loss of resources.

Its why the hivemind does it, because it gets a new superfleet combining the resources and strengths of its "parent" fleets.

As long as they get eventual access too their own dead they'll at least break even.

>>50747879
Tyanids need biomass to make more nids. If they can't get what they put in back out at the end, it means that they've essentially "lost". Demons don't contribute any biomass, though. THey just vanish. So I think Chaos would win. Warp in a metric fucktonne of demons, fight for a while, and the nids eventually come out on top, but now have to waste a bunch of energy and biomass making more nids for no gain whatsoever. But Khorne is happy because war. Multiply this over a few millenia, and the Nids will be crying as they slowly waste away due to lack of resources.


Assuming they don't run like fuck to another galaxy.

>>50754207
Eating their own dead will give them back the resources they've spent.

True they won't gain anything but they won't lose anything either.

They don't need to intactish corpses either, tyranids can eat the ash of burned things and still gain.
Plus whenever they visit a planet they take vast quantities of minerals, water and air.
As long as the hivefleest keep invading new planets they'll gain mass.

Long term its not a good fight for chaos as tyranids will steadily consume the sentient life Chaos depends upon for existence.

>>50754207
>>50754263

But it's not like there are only demons in most cases.
If they successfully take a planet there is most likely some biomass around they can take, even if it is just veggies.

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Everyone forgets about the STCs

The IoM might not win the battle, but they at least pull something out of their ass at the last moment to achieve a pyrrhic victory and keep the wheel of grimdarkness turning.

DA ORKS

>>50749013
Nurgle's rot is an interesting idea as a defense against the Nids, but a risky one. Depending on who is writing, it has been potrayed as just a normal, if unnaturally effective, disease which Tyranids could adapt to with ease or as microscopic daemons which could simply stop existing due to the Shadow in The Warp. Plus, if they are bacteria, Nids would get biomass even from that.

>>50747879
This is ridiculous, everyone knows its the Imperium that will win, they've literally won every major war they've ever been in, there ain't a faction alive which better defines 'boring invincible protagonist' than the,

>>50754199
That doesn't mean that nids break Enthropy, as long as they have an external source of energy, like, you know, the fucking starlight. They could fulfill all their energy needs the same way plants do.

>>50754399
>that bl wankery again.

Reminder that humanity's technology has never surpassed the Eldar, let alone the Necrons.
DaoT humanity lived in the shadow of the Eldar Empire and couldn't do shit against them.
They existed, because the Eldar didn't care to destroy them, as they were too involved in self obsessed hedonistic pursuits.

>>50747879
If the Tyranids eat enough people, thus starving Chaos from the emotion it feeds upon.

Tyranids can win, but it'll be a tough thing to do. Mostly because the Tyranids aren't just fighting Chaos - Necrons, Imperium, (Dark) Eldar, Orks, Tau; pretty much everyone doesn't want to have all life nommed.

>>50755040
>Implying there's any solid info about DAoT

>>50755121
No, but there is solid info about the Eldar, and that info says that they were the undisputed masters of the galaxy before their fall, which means that DaoT humanity were never the top dogs of the galaxy.

>>50755040
>DaoT humanity lived in the shadow of the Eldar Empire and couldn't do shit against them.
That at least is claimed by some Eldar.
You know those dickish, arrogant fuckwits which have a whooping 2 individuals who were alive at the time of their Empire...

In short, that claim is most likely bullshit. Mankinds prospered when the Eldar were already is the phase of murderfucking = fun.
Had they been able to exterminate mankind they would've done it. For fun.

>>50755142
And how many humans from the DAoT are alive in the year 40K, again?

>>50755133
Again, they said they were at their zenit.
Their empire lasted several million years. The first human federation lasted 25k years.

Quite possible that the zenit of the Eldar empire was long over by the time mankind reached for the stars...

>>50754199
>The codex has mentioned that when two fleets fight the winner eats everything and there is no net loss of resources.
There might not be a loss of mass, but there will still be an increase of entropy.

>>50755157
Big E.

And we know all faction lore in 40k is several layers of propaganda.
Why do you think Eldar are different?

>>50755142
Actually no. Asurmen, the book, makes quite clear that even as they tore themselves apart the Eldar were unconcerned with other races.

Additionally the Shadow Walker in Throneworld makes clear that the Eldar Empire was significantly more powerful than the DAoT humans. And if we're going to disbelieve her, sure, but then we might as well not believe anyone ever so any sort of discussion is pointless cause we can always just shrug and say we don't belive a particular person.

Considering GW has emphasised time and time again that the Eldar were the galactic hegemon during the time I find it weird to try to shift such a major part of the narrative just to engage in more human-fantasy masturbation

>>50755168
Okay but he's obviously not reliable concerning almost anything, definitely not aliens since he was an avowed xenophobe who believed in the destruction of all non-human life on principle.

>>50749874
Do you retards understand 40k canon at all?

40K has no canon. The only thing that is not canon is books labelled heretic tomes. Unless it's in a heretic tome, it's still canon. Oldcrons and rogue trader are still just as canon as everything else.

>>50754399
>It's another 'Let's shit on the Eldar in a situation they would normally win' episode

Liking the Spehss Elves is suffering.

>>50747879
I imagine, unless the heat death of the universe is not a thing in 40k, that Nurgle will win by default.

He just needs time.

>>50755395
Yes. Liking anyone but the Imperium pretty much is.

>>50755473
That's not a win for Nurgle. That's a loss for everyone.

Even Nurgle needs life to eventually decay and become his plaything before the rot brings for new life. Albeit abhorrent life, but life nonetheless.

>>50755525
At least the other factions are still living. Eldar are on their death bed, almost literally this time.

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>>50747983
I seem to recall reading about anext Iron Warriors fortress world, thought to be so impenetrable as to be not worth attacking, that the Tyranids sacked in a day or two.

>>50747879
>Since every other faction is basically irrelevant, who's going to win, Tyranids or Chaos?

Tyranids are not relevant.

>Could the Nids defeat Chaos?

No.

Tyranids are a mere sideshow next to the Imperium - Chaos conflict.

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>>50754399

Based humanity. I got goosebumps reading this.

>>50747879
Nids are a more consistent and fast moving threat while chaos can pull ultimate power. I love Nids and think they would win in reality but chaos has space Marines so it will be the BBEG

>>50748491


>Daemons don't have biomass

This technically isn't true, only Tzeentch deamons consist of pure warp energy.

Khorn, Nurgle and Slaneesh require some form of physical connection to beable to manifest outside the warp such as Khorn requiring blood, and Nurgle needing something that can actually rot. There's no real info on what Slaanesh needs but knowing Slaanesh it's probably cum or some shit.

>>50751570

>in the long run during a war chaos would come up on top

In the long run chaos will destroy its self. Chaos is the manifestation of the emotions of Humans, Eldar and other intellegent races.

If these races no longer exist, either does Chaos.

>>50755083
>mplying there aren't Dark Eldar who'd get off on being nommed

>>50748390
Not even Necrofags.

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>>50747879
Imperium

>>50747943
It's almost as though they keep (((coming back))).

>>50756439
>This technically isn't true

No, it's true. Daemons have no physical form.
No matter what they appear to be, it's just warp energy.

>>50747879
Necrons.

>>50756439
>In the long run chaos will destroy its self. Chaos is the manifestation of the emotions of Humans, Eldar and other intellegent races.

This, people need to stop treating Chaos like the other factions in the game.

Chaos is a cancer. That cancer will continue spreading until you either apply chemo or find an outright cure. When cancer kills a person, the cancer inside of them also dies.

It's not an organized faction with defined goals like the Tyranids or Necrons. It just exists and does what it's created to do.

>>50756439
Wrong, the daemon codex says that all daemons are not material. Their bodies fall apart and disappear when killed.

And wrong, again. The main rulebook says Chaos will destroy all life, space, and time then only Chaos will remain eternal.

Also the 2nd ED Eldar codex says warp entities are immortal in the Warp.

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>>50747879
Based on the fluff, here is what I see.

Whenever Chaos surprise attacks the Nids, they win. See M'kar summoning daemons on a Tyranid invaded world, that warp portal in the middle of a hive fleet in the Khorne Daemonkin book, and those Warp Talons teleporting on and killing a Hive Ship. However, whenever it drags into a prolonged battle, like Shadowbrink or the Iron Warrior's fortress, the Tyranids tend to win.

In an all out-galactic war, Chaos would get the early advantage and make major gains. However, as they expended all their surprises, the Tyranids would counter and adapt. More synapse creatures would be spawn to fuck with the warp, and the Tyranids would develop counter strategies, while Chaos remains largely, and ironically, static. So, in the long term, assuming Chaos doesn't pullout any never-before-seen bullshit super weapons, the Tyranids will take the day. Especially since daemons get nothing from fighting Nids, but the Tyranids can still get biomass off of CSM, cultists, and the planets they'll be fighting on.

>>50748390

>Nothing is safe from Necrons

The fuck you on about mate. Your shit got reconned remember, Necron lords are just as likely to help othere races rather than destroy them if it means them getting some benefit out of it.

>>50755040
They were probably trading with them. DAT era humanity was Federation-tier if not better. They were literally so good, that the only thing that could've fucked them over was getting MAGICKED out of nowhere. With hundreds of thousands of mahou shoujos popping out on the planets and turning into demons.

>>50756565
Chaos is confirmed to continue to exist after it destroys the galaxy though.

>>50756579
>Chaos remains largely, and ironically, static.

What?
Really?
Chaos can twist space and time, turn the inanimate animate, can corrupt on a physical or spiritual level.
Chaos has way more tricks than the Tyranids.

>>50756694
The issue with that is Tyranids have a hard counter to most of those already.

Plagues of Nurgle have been shown as ineffective against the Tyranids, and getting enough Shadow in the Warp in the area can fuck over Chaos's ability to pull impossible shit.

Honestly, Shadowbrink remains the best example of what a Tyranid vs. Chaos fight looks like. Chaos pulled out impossible stuff, but the Tyranids out-adapted and countered all of it. Like I said, Chaos wins if they can get the jump on the Tyranids, because the latter has no time to adapt, but in a prolonged battle, the Tyranids just outlast Chaos and have more hard-counters. Daemons can't corrupt Tyranids like they can other races.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink

>>50756579
Actually, the walls of reality are about to break and more and more humans are expolding into daemons. The Shadow in the Warp will do nothing against that because the galaxy will be beset by numerous warpstorms

>>50756757
False.

As long as the daemons remain fed with energy, the Tyranids cannot win. The daemons in Shadowbrink were losing momentum and energy during the fight. However, this is no longer will be a thing considering that the walls of reality in the Age of Ending are thinner than ever.

>>50756757
>The issue with that is Tyranids have a hard counter to most of those already.

No they do not.
Tyranids avoid warpstorms for a reason.

>Honestly, Shadowbrink remains the best example of what a Tyranid vs. Chaos fight looks like.

No, it remains one example of a Tyranid vs Chaos fight.

Tyranids cannot merely out adapt everything as a matter of course.

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>>50756790
In all of these other "Who will win" threads, the other factions have been discounted. I'm going off of just Tyranids vs. Chaos, with no other factions being involved. If we're going on 40k as a wider whole, yeah the answer of who is going to win is a bit more muddled. But if we're doing purely Tyranids vs. Chaos like I am, I think the former wins.

Basically, we're having two different arguments here.

>>50756790
Cont'ed...

Here is an example of Tyranids being grounded down by properly fed daemons.

>The stolen planet was not the only legacy of Rakarth’s grand ambition. The rending of the veil had left a gaping wound in reality, and a large spar of the webway had been opened to the realm of terrors that mankind calls the Warp. Saim-Hann was reeling in the face of a large-scale daemonic invasion that was spilling through the rift, and the tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, denied the power of its planetary feast, was being slowly torn apart by the hellspawned host that appeared within its bio-ships.

-Haemonculus Coven Codex

You will note that Hiveships are massive generators for the Shadow in the Warp. And yet they couldn't stop daemons from invading them.

>>50756814
No, we are not. We are putting the worsening condition of the galaxy into consideration.

Where and when the fight takes place is the most important aspect of this discussion.

>>50753957
This assumes they can recover their biomass. The only way the nids managed to fend off a planet-wide daemon incursion was by getting what biomass they could before they got pushed back and then set up artillery to keep them back while they stripped the half of the planet they hadn't already overrun.

>>50756815
I acknowledged that in my initial post. Again, like I said, anytime Chaos gets the drop on the Tyranids, Chaos wins. However, every time we've seen any kind of prolonged engagement between the two, the Tyranids take the day because Chaos loses momentum and gets out-adapted. This isn't just Shadowbrink. The Iron Warriors lost an unsiegable fortress to the Tyranids.

>>50756851
Notice it says that the tendril was torn apart slowly. It was a prolonged struggle, anon.

>>50756851
>Again, like I said, anytime Chaos gets the drop on the Tyranids, Chaos wins.

Chaos got the drop in them at Shadowbrink too.
Chaos always gets the drop because it appears out of nowhere from another dimension.

>>50747879
>Since every other faction is basically irrelevant,
This is what's funny about Chaosfags and BugFuckers, is that they rely on "Plot relevance" like it means something. They support all manner of shit writing and retcons when powers up their faction or removes the powers of another because their Factions can't win by any real measure of quality. Without the "Doomsday threat" shilling and the "Just as Planned" asspulls, Chaos would be nothing but a bunch of Chaotic Stupid retards Pretending to be 2deep4u Lovecraftian Elder god ripoffs by acting like edgelords and saying "oh yeah, well I meant to do that" whenever something goes fucks up. And Tyranids are are just Arachnid Rip-offs that had some Zerg sprinkled on later, that only exist so the IG can reenact Starship Troopers.

>>50756870
Fair enough, however, counter point from the Tyranid codex, page 29, The Fall of Shadowbrink

>The buildings were tumbled ruins and the city was smothered by a blanket of muffling psionic statics that caused the Daemons to flicker and fade.

There, we have a definitive example of the Shadow in the Warp surppresing daemons and sending them back into the warp. It seems the Shadow cannot stop a warp rift, but, in time, will cause Daemons to lose connection to reality and fade back.

Here, want another example? Same book, page 30.

>Shub'Luth'Gug, Great Unclean One of Nurgle, attempted to break the deadlock and push through the Tyranid cordon. Yet even as the ponderous mountain of filth marshaled his psychic energies, they were smothered by the Shadow in the Warp.

In essence, Warp Portals > Shadow in the Warp > Daemons and their psychic powers.

>>50756809

>Tyanids avoid warpstorms for a reason.

Yeah, because there's no logical reason for them to go near a potential fight that they gain nothing from. That's a strength, not a weakness.

>Tyranids cannot merely out adapt everything as a matter of course.

They don't need to out adapt everything, just what they are currently fighting. All races have a weakness and when you can change your tactics to exploit that weakness in 1/3 the time your oppenent can, than you're going to win.

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>>50756886
Actually, Shadowbrink says the Tyranids were aware of the daemons from the start, but ignored them as they weren't biomass. Not really getting the drop on them in the same essence as a warp portal opening in the middle of your fleet.

>>50756932
Shadowbrink says it thought was just some weird psychic anomalies.
Once the daemons started fucking with it it realized that actually it was a rival predator.

>>50756921
>They don't need to out adapt everything, just what they are currently fighting.

Right and Chaos has many more tricks than the Tyranids. You cannot adapt to being turned into glass while also spontaneously combusting.

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>>50756947
Point being, they knew something was there, they just didn't pay them any heed.

>>50756921
Plus, it's not like Hive Fleets haven't gone in and out of warpstorms before and come out (mostly) fine.

>>50756977
>Point being, they knew something was there, they just didn't pay them any heed.

Right, so Chaos got the drop on them when suddenly the Nids were getting wrecked.

If you hear a noise outside and dismiss it as nothing, then suddenly you're on all fours getting buggered then the buggerer in question got the drop on you.

>>50756972
As stated >>50756913 the Shadow in the Warp can prevent Chaos from doing psychic fuckery and even cause Daemons to phase out of existence and be sent back to the warp. It can't prevent a warp portal, but anything else gets suppressed by it. Get enough Synapse Creatures in the area, and Chaos won't be able to turn anyone into glass whilst spontaneously combusting them.

>>50756977
>Plus, it's not like Hive Fleets haven't gone in and out of warpstorms before and come out (mostly) fine.

That was a ploy by Slaanesh.

>>50757008
Alright, fair enough. The Tyranids CAN beat Chaos, even when the latter gets the drop on them, as long as the drop isn't an insta win thing.

>>50756977
Heavily hinted to be Slaanesh's doing in both the novel and the campaign book.

>>50756910
I wouldn't say there's really been any of that for the Tyranids, but yeah there's a bit of that for Chaos.

My pet peeve is the people who fap to Abbadon's 'master plan'. That all of his Black Crusades are actually part of some super-secret goal that he's slowly been working toward and not one of them has ever suffered a setback or failure... completely ignoring that his Planet Killer has been destroyed twice, he's lost all but 1 of the Blackstone Fortresses, he's had countless setbacks from Imperial servants foiling rituals and turning battles against his forces, but nooooo, it's all part of his 888 Part master plan to destroy the Imperium once and for all!!! Gimme a fucking break, the Imperium would be able to endure forever under the current status quo, which is why they decided to make the Golden Throne start breaking down.

The real problem is people forget that Abbadon isn't Horus. He's compels the loyalty of the other forces because he'll kill everyone who doesn't follow him (thereby depleting his forces in pointless internal squabbling), and 'shockingly' that still doesn't stop chaos warbands from telling him to fuck off on a yearly basis. Horus could actually convince people to do what he wanted unless they were another Primarch, then it was a coin toss. But more importantly Horus was a better commander because he knew how to take a defeat, or otherwise unexpected turn of fate on the battlefield, and turn it to his advantage. Abbadon isn't that kind of commander and never will be. That's why the whole "super secret master plan that's totally working guis!" thing is total shit.

Like virtually ALL of the factions in 40K, Chaos is a spent and weakened shadow of the power it once was. The galaxy will never again quake to the tread of the Legions like it once did, though that isn't to say they aren't capable of wreaking untold destruction, but at this point they're just one of several roughly equally dangerous threats to the galaxy.

>>50757020
>the Shadow in the Warp can prevent Chaos from doing psychic fuckery and even cause Daemons to phase out of existence and be sent back to the warp.

It depends on the strength of whatever is keeping the daemons in the Materium.
If the Tyranids do not win quickly then it's they who will lose.

The Tyranids are the same as everyone else is this regard. If they can close whatever door Chaos used to get into the universe they can win, but they cannot withstand the sheer attrition of endless daemons.

>>50757075
Stop thinking of Chaos as the traitor legion.
The traitor legions are a glorified door stop.
All they need to do is open the door and let the armies of the gods get to work.

>>50747993
>The necrons used to be the Terminator army of the most powerful star gods in the galaxy
>Now they're Space Egyptians using Pokemon shards

How long until the Necrons ally with the Blood Angels again to save innocent civilians ? :^)

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>>50756578
>Quoting propaganda

>>50757109
They can't even break open Cadia, which is less fortified than the Sol system and Terra.

Not to mention that if Terra ever came under direct attack, I can see the Imperium just plain writing off whole wars to pull the troops into the conflict, as well as leaving skeleton defenses in the nearby sectors.

So once again, the only thing that really will lead to Chaos ever actually winning is the Golden Throne breaking down and earth getting flooded with daemons (since that's also a thing now). And that's if we don't go with the old 'Star Child' theory, where the Emperor, free of his physical body, would be able to battle the Chaos Gods directly within the warp, and destroy them. If that turns out to be the case, then, ya know... just as planned? kek

>>50755652
Oh, agreed, no-one is hated more by GW in fluff than the Eldar, they have virtually never managed to achieve anything of note. Their primary hat is being powerful psychics and seers but the Imperium is quite demonstrably better than them at both fields and always out-predicts them and out-psychics them. The Eldar probably have the worst ratio of success ratio of predictions-success of anyone in the galaxy, primarily Librarians and Chaos Sorcerers, despite prediction being the one skill their supposed to excel most at.

Not to mention in fluff even the Eldar Empire is largely irrelevant now that the DAoT's been established as being vastly more advanced and powerful, calling into question why so much GW fluff emphasises the Eldar being a galactic hegemon which only fell at Slaanesh's birth when they'd clearly already been driven into insignificance simply by the existence of the DAoT.

Eldar certainly have it worse, just saying that no-one but the Imperium has it 'good' when it comes to story. All the other factions are simply, to differing extents, punching bags for Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Primarchs, the Emperor or wholly insignificant to the plot.

But that is unsurprising, 40k as a setting has only grown more HFY with time and seems set to continue to do so.

don't you guys ever get exhausted with all of the fighting in 40k? Lets be honest, no one will ever ACTUALLY win, it's way too much of a cash cow to decide an objective winner.

>>50757161
>They can't even break open Cadia

They haven't really tried.
When they did in the 13th they won.

>And that's if we don't go with the old 'Star Child' theory, where the Emperor, free of his physical body, would be able to battle the Chaos Gods directly within the warp, and destroy them.

You clearly don't know anything about the Star Child, so let me educate you.

The Star Child was the being that the Emperor's soul became after he was interred on the Golden Throne. The Star Child was a weak power in the warp - a child on a dingy in a storm ocean - who was forced to hide from the armies of the Chaos Gods.
Upon the death of the Emperor's physical from a group known as the Illuminati would sacrifice the Emperor's biological sons, known as the Sensei, so that the Emperor might be reborn and lead humanity once again in physical form.

>>50757075

Your whole post is wrong.

But I cannot be arsed with your retardation so I am gonna focus on the worst part. Abaddon is very charismatic (see Talon of Horus). He convinced Khayon to surrender everything for his sake. The Night Lord Ruven practically worships him.

>>50747879
Depends on circumstance

The silent king of the necrons believes the current amount of nids in the galaxy are a possible threat to a united necron front and if the lesser races keep feeding them then necrons cant stop them. The current amount of nids in the galaxy is said to be the "finger tips" of the main body of the fleet that's approaching. Nids are eaters of entire galaxies...

Having said that of course chaos will win cause no matter what GW sucks chaos dick so hard that no one else matters

>>50749013
Every written example of nurgle vs nids ends up with nids adapting to the plagues within hours.

In fact I believe there was a story of some toxin plague thing that was unleashed on the hive ships, the next day the nids were firing bio missiles filled with the plague

>>50757362
>The silent king of the necrons believes the current amount of nids

The lore doesn't say that. He was referring to the whole Tyranids.

Also we have confirmation that Chaos exists in other galaxies. Tyranids are not unique.

>>50757272
>Referencing Talon of Horus AKA "Abbadon and Khayon are super kewl and beat up all the Traitor Primarchs and Kharn and take their lunch monies because they're so awesome so Stop making fun of him, I mean it!"
Into the trash it goes.

>>50757415
>Also we have confirmation that Chaos exists in other galaxies. Tyranids are not unique
Unfortunately GW writing is fucking shit, since theres also fluff stating nids had no idea what daemons were before arriving in the galaxy. The warp seems universal but its calm outside the milky way because no life disturbs it.

>The lore doesn't say that. He was referring to the whole Tyranids
Safe to assume he means current nids, he said if the lesser races keep feeding the nids they wont be able to stop them. The fact that their main force will be SO much larger than the current one I think its safe to assume eating a few more planets wouldn't throw the balance that much

>>50757533
>The warp seems universal but its calm outside the milky way

Proof? We're always told the warp does not conform to physical space.

>Safe to assume he means current nids

No.
He's been outside the galaxy and has seen the Hive Fleets that are coming.
He Knows all about the Nids.

>>50757533
>stating nids had no idea what daemons were before arriving in the galaxy.

Wrong. You know what you did? You just lied to me right now. Why did you do that?

This isn't stated anywhere. What's you are most likely referring to is Shadowbrink which the Tyranids acted bewildered by the daemons. Some people took it as the daemons never meeting daemons before, stupid people. However, Shadowbrink happens in 999 41K, the ass end of the setting timeline. And we know for a fact that Tyranids fought daemon incursions before Shadowbrink. In fact, the same fleet fought daemons ON A DAEMON WORLD a year before Shadowbrink.

You know what that means? The Tyranids have memory issues. This is now canon.

>Safe to assume he means current nids

It ain't. The Silent King knows better than anyone the amount of Tyranids coming. So it's most likely fed Tyranids inside the galaxy + coming Tyranids is too much.

>>50757249
You're half-right about the Star Child actually.

What the Illuminati believe is not necessarily correct, and there was a competing theories, one of which focused on the belief that the 'Star Child' was actually being held back by the Emperor's corporeal form and that should it die, he will be free and at his full power. And once again, able to punk the Chaos Gods directly in the warp.

>let me educate you
I'm probably the only one on this thread who has a copy of the 40K Fluff Bible on his hard drive. People don't educate me, so much as help me realize when I'm mixing up something that's actually from a different part of the fluff.

>Cadia
And they didn't conquer the whole system, it's still a warzone, which hardly makes it an open doorway into the Imperium.

>>50757486
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>50757272
But I will add that even if he is charismatic there, it's at odds with other depictions of him.

>>50757655
Not really. Abaddon is charismatic when he needs to be. It depends who is he talking to and does he need him or her. Stop trying to make characters one dimensional.

>>50757627
>You're half-right about the Star Child actually.

I'm fully right about the Star Child.

>What the Illuminati believe is not necessarily correct

No, but it's what they need to do for the Emperor to be brought forth.

The Star Child is a presence waiting to be reborn, not some ass kciker who's going to rub the Chaos' face in dogshit.

>one of which focused on the belief that the 'Star Child' was actually being held back by the Emperor's corporeal form and that should it die, he will be free and at his full power.

Nope. No. His fight with Horus wounded him not just physically but spiritually.

>I'm probably the only one on this thread who has a copy of the 40K Fluff Bible on his hard drive.

Get reading then.

>And they didn't conquer the whole system

Indeed they were still winning.

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>>50757699
>>50757627
>>50757249
>>50757161
>>50757109
SMUG WAR!

SMUUUGG WAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR

>>50757622
>Proof? We're always told the warp does not conform to physical space.
Its why no ships can really leave the galaxy, you cant warp travel to other galaxies because the warp is calm. Obviously you can do the nid way and just drift there

>>50747879
Isn't Chaos primordial?

It's existed since forever, and it has to exist.

>>50758198
>Its why no ships can really leave the galaxy

Source?

>you cant warp travel to other galaxies because the warp is calm.

Uriel Ventris saw the ruins of another galaxy while flying through the warp.

>>50758240
Yeah.

GW fucked up.

Nothing matters in 40k anymore because Chaos will win, is winning, and has already won.

Everyone, Necrons, Tyranids, Orkz, Starchild, it all doesn't matter because Chaos has already won.

>>50747879
Cegorach.

>>50758306
And? Chaos wins because it's has the right to win. It's the sins of mankind comeback to punish them. It's poetic.

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>>50758306
>>50758593
>>50757699

Good lord you edgy Chaosfags need to fucking off yourselves.

Chaos isn't winning shit. Their HH ploy bought them an additional 10k years of survival, that's it. It was entirely a desperate ploy because the Chaos Gods know the Emperor is ENTIRELY impervious to them.

The Emperor is destined to revive. When he does, it will be the final end of the Chaos Gods. Also, no, Chaos has not existed since forever. Learn your fucking lore, tards. Old Ones corrupted the warp and spawned these shits. Something which was created can also be destroyed.

>>50759907
Nice headcanon.

But Traitor's Hate has the Old Ones imprisoning billions of daemons inside world sized cages billions of years before the War in Heaven.

The Warp was already infested by Chaos at the time.

>>50759907
>the Emperor is ENTIRELY impervious to them

This has not ever been true.

>Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear.

>Yet the victory of Chaos seemed certain, for Chaos wormed its way into the minds of humans by exploiting their natural human emotions: their hope, friendship, independence, and other human characteristics which were not in themselves evil. Even the Emperor was not invulnerable. Just as Horus had been corrupted, he too ran the risk of being perverted by the touch of Chaos.

>>50760062
>Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear

Literally non-canon garbage at this point. In the Master of Mankind book, the emperor has already lost all hope and conceded victory to chaos.

Also, in the same book he IS impervious to them, it's directly stated. It's why they funcked with his 20 Primarchs instead of him.

Anyway, I'm sure in 10k years the Emps has thought of a new plan and is almost ready to kick ass. Fuck Chaosfags.

>>50760062
fuck off the emperor is incorruptible just like a chaos god can't be reverse corrupted

>>50756910

>Nids ripped off zerg

Get the fuck off /tg/ and don't come back.

>>50760730
hes right tho.
have you ever seen 2nd edition nids? they are awful. they look nothing like they do today.
then SC came out.
nids then got a complete redesign and several new units that look exactly like zerg units.

the reality is that all the different sci fi IPs are feeding and steeling from each other.
aracnids from SS troopers
xenomorphs from aliens
tyranids from 40k
zerg from SC
flood from halo
and a million other bio hive aliens are all basically the same thing.

>>50747879
>Tyranids or Chaos?

Chaos, or a tie.

>Could the Nids defeat Chaos?

No, they usually steer clear of Daemon Worlds and Warp Rifts. This means Chaos has unassailable bastions from which to fight.

>>50762298
>This means Chaos has unassailable bastions from which to fight.
Avoid doesn't meant hey can't fight them. It's just that the Tyranids see no point in going into warp rifts or Daemon worlds because there isn't much biomass to gain. It's why they avoid Tomb Worlds. No use nomming on Necrons. It's pragmatic.

>>50758593
Eh, I always thought the Tyranids winning was more poetic. The sign that, even with all the hate, grudges, and atrocities committed in 40k, the wider universe is a much worse and more uncaring place than it could ever manage to be. But that's opinions, so can't really argue that.

>>50759907
You are wrong because:

1. Cypher will be guided to the Golden Throne by a fragment of the Emperor's tortured consciousness.

2. Once there he will slay the Emperor with the Sword of Luther, completing the ritual of the Emperor's Martyrdom.

3. This will seal the warp rift under the Imperial palace and prevent a second Eye of Terror from forming right in the middle of the Segmentum Solar.

4. The Astronomicon will go dark, and all the astropaths will be killed by the psychic backlash from the Emperor's death.

5. Each Imperial sector will be on it's own until radical factions in the Inquisition can set up new communications and navigations networks based on purpose bred psykers, xenos slaves, and bound daemons.

6. As the new imperium will need wrap-craft and warp-science to keep operating, chaos will "win" by default.

>>50762453
>It's pragmatic.

It's more than that. The fact that a hive fleet was destroyed by a ship detonating its warp drive and forming a giant warp rift, points to the warp being dangerous for Tyranids. Not necessarily more dangerous than it is for most other factions, but you don't see the Imperium mounting campaigns against daemon worlds very often. In fact it's been explicitly stated in fluff that once a world falls to the power of the warp, daemons can control the laws of physics there so exterminatus isn't even possible.

>>50758593
>It's the sins of mankind comeback to punish them. It's poetic.
>Justification for Chaos's UNLIMITED POWAH fluff and lack of Benevolent or Neutral entities is that "It's poetic"
>Chaos, a faction that isn't even really powered by particularly sinful but just plain emotions that everyone feels
>Faction recieving shittons of asspulls, stupidly OP fluff buffs, and lack of variety or variability in manifestations for a vague, poorly done, and edgy "mankinds sins are going to kill us and the Only thing stopping them is Jesus Emperor" metaphor,
>That's apparently poetic

That's about as deep and meaningful as being hit over the head with a hammer. No, here'a what would actually be poetic.

The Imperium, due to inefficiency, regular corruption, treasonous sentiments (here's looking at you, Maccrage), finally falls apart and splinters, a la Dark Age of Mankind style, into infighting and rebellion, and humanity either getting picked off by Orkz, Nids and DEldar, or absorbed into The Tau Empire.

This would not only be justifiable fluff wise with out a shit ton of asspulls and "just as planned" moments shoved in, but it would also be a much more subtle and accurate representation of "Mankind being destroyed by its own sins" as the actions influenced by greed, self-interest, callous brutality, bloodlust, and pride, would be the things destroying humanity rather than "Lol, Physical manifestations of sin, but not really because we just manifest basic concepts and emotions that happen to encapsulate certain sins".

What would be even more poetic is if Chaos lost a significant amount of power/the Warp calmed down significantly to humanity's fall, showing that Darkness cannot exist as a concept without Light, and that for All it's power to destroy, Evil is still reactive and requires Good to function, as they are two sides of the same coin of morality, and that Chaos would have no meaning if there were no Order to disrupt.

>>50762562
I think in the meantime there would be such widespread losses to sedition, Xenos invasion, civil war over leadership, and Heresy running rampant outside the reach of the Inquisition, that Humanity will never again fully recover, and the galaxy will be left to the Orcs and the Tyranids to fight over for all eternity whilst the Chaos Gods ever lurk in the beyond, biding patiently in their impossible halls beyond time and space.

>>50747879
Emps dies = universe melts into Kayoss.

Now I would find it more interesting if Chaos had to take over the universe in a more mundane way but that's not how it works.

>>50757188
Yeah at this point it becomes a bit irritating since the Imperium seems to be the best in everything in the fluff; best warriors, best generals, best leaders, best technology, best psykers, largest population, largest empire, moral high ground they literally own every single hat every single other faction has.

I mean the DAoT removed the whole 'Eldar were once the most powerful and advanced' piece of the narrative and now the Beast Series made the Ork Clans literal copies of the Imperium legions cause the Orks are apparently suffering PTSD like little bitches, at this rate I'd not be surprised if the Nids turn out to just be copying the Imperium too because the Imperium is best at everything. Why even bother playing another faction in universe when nothing you do is ever as good as the Imperium and you always lose anyway? I mean Ghazghkull and Eldrad can't even beat random Space Marines, when was the last time Marneus, Dante or Logan lost a war?

>>50768143
>Eldrad can't even beat random Space Marines,

Artemis is an old marine character who featured in the GW Inquisitor RPG game. He had a model and was the first named Deathwatch marine.

The rest of your post is hysterical and has no basis in facts or anything. DAoT was always an advanced civilization but it was nothing compared to the Eldar Empire which was the dominant and untouchable force in the galaxy.

Go away.

Orks

>>50747879
Imagine a vast intergalactic empire. Their scouts discover Milky Way, and find out our section of hyperspace had cone completely FUBAR, becoming literal hell complete with self-aware evil gods and shit. it eaths ships and drives sentients crazy even when they're in realspace. You don't conquer that hellhole with your conventional troops - you cleanse it of all life to quench the disturbance in the hyperspace. And you do it with unfeeling automatons that don't corrupt hyperspace (further) with their emotions and don't get corrupted by it. And to make it surefire, those automatons multiply when destroying local lifeforms and starve off and die when they run off of thing to eat so they're not around there when your colonists and terraformers arrive to claim the cleansed galaxy. Here's your ultimate Chaos-killing tool.

Sounds familiar, huh?

>>50768246
At their prime under Da Beast they couldn't beat corupt and divided Imperium. I doubt Ghazzy could outdo Beast Waaagh!

Nids could win if Cruddace (or however you spell his name) didn't nerf them into oblivion.

>>50768164
The anon still has a point. Artemis is a minor character at best, not even a Watch Master. How do you think people would have taken it if a minor character like Grotsnik defeated Marneus Calgar?

Also its still true that Eldard and Ghazgkull lose to Marines often and I seriously can't recall Marneus or any of the big Chapter Masters ever losing a war.

>>50768164
Nothing compared to the Eldar Empire? Didn't you read the above posts? The DAoT was WAY more powerful than the Eldar Empire.

>>50768404
>The DAoT was WAY more powerful than the Eldar Empire.

Objectively wrong.

In the novels that mentiions Pre-Fall Eldar and the bloody codexes says the Eldar were the dominant power and that humanity were nothing to them.

>>50768317
Ghaz has a new plan other than mundane conquest. He plans to create a lot of Waaagh! warzones across the galaxy to generate enough Waaaagh! energy to manifest Gork and Mork into reality.

Nids because they are entropy at work and the only thing theyre running from is the heat death of the universe

>>50768394
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Artemis

Lets see what the fluff says about him. I would use the codex If I wasn't phone posting.

He is a captain who is a veteran of hundreds of campaigns and he is the most successful deathwatch member ever.

Also he is response for the death of the 1st Octarious Overfiend.

Hardly a random minor character.

And Eldrad only lost to marines once and it'sd Death Masque.

>>50768447
Codex' are propaganda, besides who says they were stronger? Eldar? Sure, cause those are trustworthy.

The Ark Mechanicus alone is way more advanced than anything the Eldar have ever had. Humans are more powerful Psykers than Eldar too.

>>50768472
No, Eldrad has been repulsed by Emperor's Children and Blood Angels before too.

Not to mention once is still more times than any Space Marine Chapter Master with a Miniature has ever lost a War to the Eldar.

Again; Artemis isn't even a Watchmaster. Eldrad is supposed to be the greatest seer alive.

>>50768482
Fuck off. The codexes are not propaganda, especially the Eldar codex which paints them in neutral to negative light.

And no, all the DAoT works don't match the Pre-Fall empire. Heck, in the Solar series we see a vision of Pre-Fall Eldar witnessing the wars of DAoT mankind and seeing that they aren't a threat.

>>50768472
Trying to argue that Eldard, Ghazghkull aren't failriffic isn't going to work. If you compare Eldard and FailGhazz to the Space Marine characters they're always going to come up short.

I mean FailGhazz has never managed to conquer a single planet from the Imperium and has lost every battle he's fought against Space Marines ever. That's really pathetic.

>>50768490
Talking about 40K here, not the 30K. There is little the Eldar can do against a Primarch unless a PL was around.

>Blood Angels

When?

>>50768504
Ghaz ravaged scores of planets across the Imperium and the galaxy.

And saying Armageddon is just a planet is like saying Cadia or Terra are just planets.

And Ghaz really lost one war and it was the first Armageddon Ork war.

>>50768143
That's the setting, If you don't like it don't play

When are people going to stop whining about this? The Imperium is the protagonist, of course they're best, the story is about them for fucks sake

Eldrad losing in Death Masque is sorta fair payback for him pulling a bullshit victory on Abaddon, really.

>>50768508
They brought an Avatar and Fulgrim just choked it like a bitch

And PL's fighting Primarchs? Are you for real? PL's can barely survive fightning forces of normal Marines, Primarchs can literally solo entire planets of Orks on their own. PL's aren't shit compared to Primarchs

>>50768517
Name one of these planets. Name one Space Marine Chapter he's beat in a war.

Ghazz lost the war on Piscina too.

>>50768561
Is that even canon anymore?

Still waiting for one major military defeat to be suffered by Marneus, Logan, Dante or Azrael.

>>50768583
>PL's can barely survive fightning forces of normal Marines,

So do Primarchs. More than one, primarchs were brought to the brink of death by marines.

Vengeful Spirit is the best example. Horus and Mort nearly died to a surprise attack. If it wasn't for Fulgrim's last second daemon magic shield, Horus and Morty would have died. Even with that, Mort was gruesomely injured and fainted with his arm barely being attached to his body.

There is Girtlyman ambushed by Alpha dudes.

Then there is the Horus Reborn being killed by a group of CSM

> Primarchs can literally solo entire planets of Orks on their own.

They can't.

>>50768590
Open his supplement. I am on the phone and I ain't enough of an Ork fan to name stuff off the top of my head.

>>50768597
>Marneus

This guy was assassinated by a Deathmark in Veil of Darkness and his fortress monastery was overrun with Necrons.

>>50768620
Vulkan fights an entire planet of Orks with no problem and tanks a gravity weapon the Orks were using to blow chunks off a planet.

PL's die to grenades and dreadnaughts. Primarchs can't even be killed by Greater Daemons and Avatars. There's a pretty fucking clear discrepancy in power. Not to mention Primarchs are way more psychically powerful than the Eldar.

>>50768627
>Marneus was assassinated
What?

>>50768620
Don't forget fulgrim getting bashed unconcious by a few of his captains and marines

>>50768647
>Vulkan fights an entire planet of Orks with no problem and tanks a gravity weapon the Orks were using to blow chunks off a planet.

And Ra fought and defeated an entire swarm of Tyranids.

So far as I can see, PL and Primarchs are equal.

>PL's die to grenades and dreadnaughts.

And Horus Reborn was killed by lighting claw to the chest.

And Horus and Mort were nearly killed by an attack run of marine hover-fighters.

>>50768674
Yeah, I just remembered. They thought Fulgrim was still possessed so they cornered and attacked him.

fter KO'ing him they dragged him off to torture him back to sanity and health.

>>50768659
Download Veil of Darkness from the general thread and give it a listen.

>>50768692
And Lucius (arguably one of the legions strongest fighters) didn't even get a chance join in

Primarchs aren't as invulnerable as you'd think

>>50768703
I never got Lucius' revival. I've never seen him in a non-Space Marine body & I could imagine some emotionless Necron taking him out without any pleasure.

>>50762210
The Flood are closer to The Thing & is more of a virus. It's one of the reasons they're deadlier than the Nids.

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>>50756579
Sondheim V wasn't really a Chaos victory with M'kar in charge, how could it be. The planet was simultaneously mutated by both sides into a tyannoformed daemon world, and was still a Tyranid-v-Daemon war zone until it all got Exterminatused.

>>50755665
Forgefane, mentioned briefly in the 5th and 6th edition Tyranid codexes, and elaborated on here in WD362. The codex versions say it took less than a week, but the WD says "eight bastions fell in as many days" after the Tremorbeast was first seen (maybe weeks on Forgefane were just longer). Either way, the nids beat a full Grand Company on their home turf - a Chaos stronghold that had lasted in realspace for millennia - in a relatively short span of time.

>>50764861
>What would be even more poetic is if Chaos lost a significant amount of power/the Warp calmed down significantly to humanity's fall
Like in the Good End to the Horus Heresy that Abnett cooked up for Legion.

>>50768738
Daily reminder that this anon thinks necrodermis is not living metal.

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>>50768758
You're already fighting your own battles in this thread, Carnac. Let's save that for when it's actually relevant.

>>50768774
It will always be relevant.

>>50754945
The imperium took over a galaxy tamed by the Eldar after the Eldar mortally wounded themselves, while the Necrons were still asleep, while the Tyranids had yet to show themselves, while Chaos didn't have material armies, etc. The imperium is collapsing on all sides. The only thing humans were good at fighting were the orks, because orks are retarded.

>>50768677
That's a lot of 'almost died' for the Primarchs. The difference is the Phoenix Lords didn't 'almost die' to grenades and dreadnaughts, they did die.

If you wanna say Primarchs and Phoenix Lords are equivalent why don't you show where a Primarch got filled by a Space Marine Dreadnaught or dude with a Grendae

>>50768945
Almost died but saved through circumstance beyond their control is as good as death.

The problem here is that story-wise PL can be allowed to die while Primarchs have plot armor since they cannot die in the HH.

>>50768988
Almost died is obviously not as good as death. The PL's actually die to mundane means, rather frequently, the Primarchs only ever die to Primarch-tier beings or higher unless they're letting themselves be killed, like Curze.

Also Avatars of Khaine are stronger than PL's but Primarchs bitchslap Avatars like babies (even Marneus Calgar can bitchslap Avatars). And the Primarchs are more powerful Psykers and better warleaders than the Phoenix Lords. There's no comparison who's better.

>>50768738
>iron warriors BTFO
one of the strongest fortifications in the galaxy fell that fast, how are the tyranids not Absolutely BTFOing everyone once they hit planet side They've adapted to nearly every situation, including being vastly outnumbered, daemon warp fuckery, and all the weird planetary conditions they faced during the shield of baal campaign

>>50769167
LUCIUS - The Hollow Forge

>The hollow planet of Lucius has at its core a fusion reactor so large many have likened it to a captive sun. With such boundless energy at their fingertips, the Tech-Priests that dwell under the planet’s crust have become experts at military innovation. Their genius was displayed anew when the planet was invaded by a splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Leviathan. Despatching Lucius’ Legio Cybernetica and a great host of battle servitors to the planet’s surface, the Tech-Priests Dominus largely fought their battles from below the planet’s crust. By tracking the motions of their servant clades and controlling their activities via electromagnetic data-tethers, they waged their war without risking direct harm. Such is the wonder of the Cant Mechanicus that their battle plans were enacted to the letter. Wherever the Tyranid swarms overcame their servitor armies, the Tech-Priests waited for the xenos predators to devour the biological components before sending servo-skull swarms to carry the most vital of the remaining machine parts below the crust of the planet. There they were installed into fresh recruits, and the next wave sent back up to the surface. Though it took months to accomplish, the resultant war of attrition ended in victory, for the Lucian armies fought like lions, and their hymns to the Omnissiah’s glory did not cease for a single moment.

-Admech dex

Where were the digger Tyranids during this war. eh? Why didn't they adapt to the Admech method of warfare?

>>50769175
This basically implies that the Imperium is better at recycling their forces than the tyranids.

There also the time Cadians defeated an entire hive fleet without losing a single company.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scarabus

>>50769186
Nope. It directly shows that they are without superfluous statements.

>>50769175
>Where were the digger Tyranids during this war. eh? Why didn't they adapt to the Admech method of warfare?
thats exactly my point. In some battles the tyranids adapt instantly, where in others the war drags on for months and they still haven't won. It makes sense if the tyranids can't adapt fast enough and get wiped out, but once the war starts to drag the tyranids shouldn't be losing this bad.

>>50769175
AdMech2stronk.
Take note, Iron Fags.

>RAIN OF FIRE
>After the Battle of Macragge, a splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Behemoth winds its way into the Skitarii-held Daugel Helix. Using the knowledge recovered from the Tyran data-codex, the Skitarii fight back. The Cohort commander Alpha 9-Thyrrc turns the tide by saturating a stratum of the atmosphere with gas from the planet’s promethium refineries. After his Onagers’ neutron lasers set the skies aflame, each new rain of Tyranid spores incinerates those xenos planetside instead of reinforcing them. A triumphalist data-codex is compiled and sent to the nearby forge world of Accatran, where it is swiftly filed away in the Archive Anomalis and forgotten.

>>50758306
Kinda fits the whole grimdark, humanity is fucked tone of the setting, don't you think?

>>50768293
Pretty sure that Tyranids are not coming from another galaxy to pacify it. Pretty sure that the Tyranids are running from another galaxy that's already consumed by Chaos.

>>50768988
Well, the Eldar can always get more Phoenix Lords. Primarchs are a limited commodity.

>>50769363
>A triumphalist data-codex is compiled and sent to the nearby forge world of Accatran, where it is swiftly filed away in the Archive Anomalis and forgotten.

It's lore like this that makes me adore the Admech

>>50760181
>Literally non-canon garbage at this point.
>Mention's Horus Heresy Novels

No anon, no

>>50770259
Indeed. I'm pretty sure this has happened with every major enemy race at least half a dozen times each in the past 10,000 years. And maybe, just maybe, one of those methods for one race will be uncovered by an Inquisitor 5,000 years after the fact, used once, and then be lost forever.

>>50769872
Why does everyone keep thinking that chaos winning = humanity dying out? Chaos is perfectly happy with the current state of the galaxy. That's why it's fair to say that chaos got what they wanted 10,000 years ago.

>>50754263
You could easily burn and or vaporize the dead, destroying the biomass.

>>50755040
Technology and power are two completely different things anon.

>>50756479
They wouldnt get off on nids nomming them because nids dont feel, they dont just want extreme sex, they want extreme emotions too.

>>50747879
In the end, OP, every faction is irrelevant. All will perish scrabbling in the coldness of the void after the last of the stars go out.

It's the journey that matters, because everyone will be dead at the destination.

>>50769872
No, because for one Faction, it's not Grimdark at all. Chaos getting a guaranteed victory where they get to fight/plot/shit on themselves/have sex while doing cocaine for all eternity is not Grimdark in to the slightest.

Personally, I don't mind the Grimderp ebbing away over time, but if you Chaosfags want to claim your faction should get more clout because of "muh poetry" and "muh Grimdark theme", then you have to realize that it goes both ways and requires shit to suck for you too.

>>50772147
Chaos is in itself grimdark where people plan to shank each other with infected rusty knives in order to rape the new holes, so them winning just means there's more fucktards shanking fucktards around. Chaos in the absence of opposition would devour itself, just like Orcs or any other faction (barring possibly the tau and crons)

>>50770308
>That's why it's fair to say that chaos got what they wanted 10,000 years ago.

Actually, Chaos wants to destroy the galaxy and all life in it.

>>50748213
>outright liars

But thats not Chaos

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>>50769167
Generally the distinction is:

>Splinter fleet

can be defeated and doesn't have unlimited everything.


>Real actual honest to god leviathan tendril

you fucked son.


I cant recall a single instance where tyranids got BTFO where it was a full-strength leviathan tendril and not just a splinter fleet.

>>50768547
The problem is that it isn't a story its a setting for a game and games don't have protagonists.

>>50772380
So they want to kill themselves? Chaos needs things to exist in the Materium to stay alive.

>>50772726
No, they don't. The fluff says they don't.

>>50772837
Well go ahead and post it then.

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>>50772846

>>50754082
This is the most ignorant and thoughtless reply you could have come up with

>>50770173

You might as well argue that they come from a galaxy that they already consumed, possibly having defeated Chaos there too.

Pure speculation.