Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for nothing.

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2nd for 70 fearless cultists in your deployment zone turn 1

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currently not sure how to use alpha legion at 1500 points so I'll be starting froma simple 1000 points format

what do you guys think of this?

also how do I paint metal alpha legion without using an airbrush??

Fourth for Flesh Tearers Supplement link.

>>50700074
Use the tint set and mix konrad curze into lead belcher or something. There is a video on Warhammer tv - search for artificer tint set.

I'm going to paint mine stegadon scale green instead because it's far easier and still looks cool

SoB command squads new hotness. The new force org is fine with that in mind because they're a solid elites choice, however, trading ObSec troops for rerolling 1s on saves once or game is not worth it at all.

Still, can't wait to try out some command squad goodness. Flamer plas was already doing well for me, but the option of more is fantastic.

Sisters of Battle - 1250
Canoness -140
Mantle, Rosarius, CPlas, Evicerator

Command Squad -200
Flamer + CPlas x4
Hospitaliar
Immolator TLMM

Command Squad -175
CPlas x5
Immolator TLMM

Battle Sisters -135
F+HF
Immolator TLMM

Battle Sisters -135
F+HF
Immolator TLMM

Dominions -170
Melta x4
Immolator TLMM

Dominions -170
Melta x4
Immolator TLMM

Exorcist -125

>>50699980
>laughingmalal.jpg

>>50700345
>Malal
It's been a while

>>50700074
What will your dark apostle do? Hang out by himself? What will your cultists accomplish beyond flailing with weak arms at your power armored attackers shoulders while being gunned down. Maybe flamers might help

>>50700809
Cultists aren't supposed to kill anything, they're supposed to hold points and tarpit threatening units. Specially in a list where if you do mange to kill one, you potentially get two new units to replace the fallen one.

>>50700236
>Flamer + CPlas x4

For once I'm happy they just did a copy pasted codex.

>>50701456

Yea. It should be nice. Honestly, that's just how celestians should be.

I actually want to see the canoness page for the silver that they added a jump pack to replace celestine, but that's wishful thinking.

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>>50700345

Why do people like AdMech? They're the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

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St.Celestine yet lives!

>>50703649

So, GW is releasing a complete army list codex update, and then is saying that it doesn't supersede the previous codex? So if you want to run Celestine you won't get the improved command squads etc.?

What are they even thinking?

>>50703649
So I guess we can still use old inquisition?

What was even the point of this codex?

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>>50699921
> I2
> Melee edition

>>50704029
>5 hours late

More like I1.

>Sisters are incorruptable
Nope! Only Grey Knights and Lorgar!

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What are the masks Wracks wear actually *called*, so I can find more like them? Especially the ones that are just a pattern of holes. I see them as fantasy helmet and mask designs constantly.

>>50705987
I have no clue what the pattern of holes is referred to as specifically, but the only irl example of that style that I can find is called a cassis crista.

>>50706082
It's a solid lead, at least. Thanks.

>>50703713
>So I guess we can still use old inquisition?

It's in line with the other answers GW have given regarding validity of older rules. "Who cares, if you have the rules then they're valid, I guess. Work it out with your opponent."

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So, what are you working on /tg/?

Show us some progress.

>>50703713
All the people at my LGS have print codexes. Some people actually care about that.

Night Lords Murder Talon 1500

>Warband
Lord -140
Jump Pack, Aura, Claws of the Black Hunt

Sorcerer -160
ML3, SF, Jump Pack, Stormbolt Plate

Chosen x5 -235
Plasma Gun x3
Dread Claw

Raptors x5 -145
Melta x2
Champ w/ Claws

Raptors x5 -145
Melta x2
Champ w/ Claws

Chaos Marines x5 -205
Plasma Gun
Champ w/ Axe
Dread Claw

Chaos Marines x5 -205
Plasma Gun
Champ w/ Axe
Dread Claw

Hellbrute -230
DCCW + Heavy Flamer x2
Dread Claw

Spawn Tax -30

Praise to alpharius

>>50706590
>warband
>not raptors

Alpha Legion would be better. Infiltrating = no Dreadclaws.

and

>power axe on a plasma squad

What the fuck is it with kids these days putting melee weapons on squads that can't charge? I swear I've seen this ten times this past week.

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>>chaos bro has no hopes left
>>is shocked by amazing traitor legions book
>>be inquisition player
>>get excited by hype about Imperial agents
>>holy shit this book is barely functional, is dead on arrival and needs 100 ccs of errata to have any chance of survival

My God. Isador, you were right. You were always right.

>>50704029

I mean they have really cheap assault transports, so that's something?

>>50706726

The problem is that they should have just explained right out of the gate that Imperial Agents was just about a convenient print repackaging for several digital-only codices, instead of a new thing. People are getting their dicks so hard for decurions and free shit that they forget this is fucking like 10 factions in one soft-cover book, which in my opinion is pretty dope.

>>50706726
>In each of your shooting phases, instead of firing his weapons, the Enginseer may choose a single friendly Astra Militarum vehicle within 12". That vehicle gains the Power of the Machine Spirit special rule until the end of the turn.
>the Enginseer may choose a single friendly Astra Militarum vehicle within 12". That vehicle gains the Power of the Machine Spirit special rule
>the Enginseer may choose a single friendly Astra Militarum vehicle within 12"
>may choose a single friendly Astra Militarum vehicle
>single friendly Astra Militarum vehicle
>Astra Militarum vehicle

>Astra

>Militarum

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>>50706726
>holy shit this book is barely functional, is dead on arrival and needs 100 ccs of errata to have any chance of survival

Oh, then the rules are flavorful and accurately represent the Imperium?

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>>50706795
>Desire to Grimdark Intensifies.

Seriously though, this book is laughably bad.

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>>50706795
Keks

>>50706784
Thing is, it WASN'T pure copy-paste. They actually made the half-effort to change some shit, but did such a piss-poor fucking job of it.

>mandatory acolytes for formation
>more expensive melee weapons for inquisitors and reduced options
>pointless valkyrie detachment
>no servo skulls
>no razorbacks
>no psyker henchmen
>reduced Chimera firing points
>locked relics into specific Ordos

What makes all this worse is they had some idea of how to fix things, they just didn't follow through.

>Carapace and Power Armor costs reduced for Acolytes and Inquisitors (went from 8-->5 for PA Inquisitor)
>Ecclessiarchy Battle Conclave could be funny
>Psyker Inquisitors get force WEAPONS instead of SWORDS again
>Coteaz making people ObSec is now RAW instead of RAI-carry-over from 6th
>ordo-specific chambers militant

but still...

>DCA and Crusaders still locked into swords
>Acolytes still stuck at BS 3 and strictly worse than Scions for anything other than being meatshields
>no frag grenades anywhere
>Inquisitors STILL CAN'T TAKE A FREAKING INVULNERABLE SAVE (unless you're Hector Rex/Solomon Lok)

>BUT THEIR 4-POINT HENCHMEN CAN

>>50706699

I thought about Alpha, but I like NL. T1 Night fighting means I get 3+ jink on the Claws, and the Raptor Talon doesn't net anything useful as a core because they're in reserve on T1 and can reroll charges when they DS because they didn't use their packs in the movement phase. Plus, the Fist Brute can reroll it's charges out of the pod.

As for the axes, I guess I can drop them for combi-plasma.

>>50706854

malleus inquisitor get termi army still and if i seen it correctly from the leaked pics they can swap out weapons for daemonblades while in termi armor now allowing them two daemonblades for 4 rolls on the powers table. they can guarantee a 5++ and a pretty good shot at FnP and Eternal warrior. Which as we know from the FAQ as long as you have a weapon you get the special rules or bonuses.

if you are afraid of your inquisitor getting murdered suround him in buddies with storm shields.

>>50706815
>Wanting to fuck the Imperial Aquilla
I can't tell if that makes you a heretic or model citizen.

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>>50706854
Do we know if arco-flagellants are still just... dull this time around?

Member when they exploded all the time and cost 35 points each?

Those were great times.

>>50706882
Just do

>Raptor Talon Core
>Spawn

Absolute minimum cost is 350. Maybe 450 or so to make it really solid and actually useful. Now you have night fighting and can take...

>Alpha Legion Warband
>Spawn

And you could certainly get that under 1k, especially when you don't need to waste points on 100-pt shitty drop pods.

+2 cover save, +1 from night fighting, you have a 4+ in the open! And since you're infiltrating into ruins, your AL have 2+ cover turn one while they either shoot things or wait to charge.

>>50706901
It's pretty unreliable and/or expensive to get a decent invulnerable save on an Inquisitor, which is important for a CC character potentially facing challenges where your mooks can't guard you as easily.

Eternal Warrior would also be nice for when you're getting shot at, but it is just as unreliable to acquire and isn't as important as an invuln.

Plus, just on principle, why the fuck can the Inquisitor himself not take all the stuff his mooks can? It's just absurd.

>>50706942

Still the same unfortunately, I miss having to activate them, but I guess it does help separate their role from DCA a bit more.

>>50706726
>holy shit this book is barely functional, is dead on arrival and needs 100 ccs of errata to have any chance of survival

Anon, this is a book of allies. It is never and never was meant to stand by itself.

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>>50706219
Death Guard

>>50706950
Don't forget those drop pods also fly with a constant 4+ jink and ObSec that can also rapidly redeploy units and vector strike shit including fliers on the lower AV. I would hardly call them useless.

>>50707001
OI!
Go be reasonable somewhere else!

>>50706726
Are there leaks of Servitor unit? Its probably same as in IG-codex but still need to see it.

>I got a new HQ and Elite choice for my war convocation <3

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>>50703637
>I'll stop now because I've deluded myself into thinking I have an answer

>he comes right back the very next thread
>still won't share the coveted secret that nobody cares about of which army does he play? We all know it's Tau

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>>50707001
No kidding? But half this stuff isn't functional due to faction restrictions (worst offender: aeronautica), and the other half is slight changes to hot garbage that could easily have been made fun instead (inquisitorial wargear nonsense, acolytes, etc)

Some stuff is fine! The deathwatch and grey knight and legion of the damned and psyker stuff? They did a totally acceptable job making those ally sections. But the rest of the book ain't like that.

Im looking at the less popular choices in the tau codex. Piranhas look like a fun unit. Any tau players habe any experience with them?
Also getting the flyer for free. Any advice for the sun shark or razor shark

Just bought the start collecting Necrons and a box of warriors, what should my next buy be?

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>>50706793

Holy shit they literally just copy and pasted it.

>>50707070
>Any tau players habe any experience with them?
They have their own slice of bullshit in one of the formations where they respawn.

>Any advice for the sun shark or razor shark
Always Sun Shark. It does the Razorshark's job better and it has a free bomb and detachable guns. Both flyers are shit though.

The Grey Knight formation says one Troop or Fast Attack; optional Heavy Support.

...I can take a Rhino and a Dreadknight, codex DREADKNIGHT LIVESSSS!

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>>50707027
>>astra militarum

>>50707088
All the formations have some level of bullshit, but that does sound hilariously annoying. Do people usually run them with the fusion blasters or burst cannons?

>>50707103
The one I got off ebay has the fusion blaster so I usually do that. Even outside the formation, there's the fact that piranhas cost 40 points. 2 gun drones are 28. So the vehicle itself costs 12 points and forms 2 squads.

Has anyone magnetized Sternguard? Did you find it better to magnetize them at the hands, or shoulders? What size should I use?

>>50707079
ghost ark and a croissant. get those warriors movin'. Necrons need help getting to objectives

>>50707080
This really rustles my jimmies, because it means that's stuck in the book forever now.
They will errata it, but the book will still say the wrong thing.

I wish they'd do a digital release first before sending the book to print so the community can do that thing they pay QA staff to do, but better.

I really hope the QA guys get bollocked for letting the shit they proof read through.

>>50707079
More warriors

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>On deck the Corsairs gathered into their squads, preparing for their attack. Rotaka looked between the members of his squad.

>‘Let’s take the wall,’ he said. ‘For Lord Huron.’

>‘For the gods!’ added Hulpin.

>‘For fun!’ said Malinko.

>Wuhrsk made a grunt of disapproval, shaking his helmeted head, while Verbin let out a short bark of a laugh.

-Tyrant of the Hollow Worlds

"For fun"? A CSM shouting "For fun" as he charges into battle? Not sure that if this is cringe-worthy retardation or just silly funny.

Are there any decent novels or stories about grey knights? For some of the best looking space marines (minus the dreadknight) I've only heard bad things about their fluff.

>>50707205
I bet he leans Slaanesh, the weirdo.

It's funny.

>>50707205
The villain for fun?
One Punch Marine

>>50707222
>Three Red Corsairs at the prow of the Fist used a deck-mounted launcher to fire grappling hooks up to the battlements on the wall. The launchers, firmly secured to the deck, reeled the cables back until they went taut, and the first Red Corsairs began to swing over the prow of the Fist, climbing hand over hand as they hung to the cables. Similar assaults were being made from the other galleons.

>Rotaka had just begun to climb when the defenders of Rubicon, clearly taken by surprise by this sudden attack on a remote stretch of the wall, began to counter-attack. Las-fire rained down from above, largely ineffective against the power armour of the Red Corsairs. Rotaka kept climbing as fire was returned from the deck of the galleons, temporarily driving back any resistance that might dislodge the grappling hooks from the top of the wall.

>‘See, fun!’ shouted Malinko over the vox. Rotaka ignored Malinko as well as the stream of abuse Wuhrsk replied with.


It's like fighting alongside a child doe.

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>>50707255
>Marines have the mindsets and disciplinary levels of children

Wow, who knew?

>>50707208
The Grey Knights Omnibus is pretty good if you skip the third book honestly.

>inquisitorial sheenanigans/function in the first is probably one of the most "realistic portrayals"
>GK are depicted as strong but still reasonable i.e. can be dragged down by surprise attacks and truly massive amounts of infantry
>one of the few examples of a Dark Mech World in the second book

>>50707208
I really enjoyed the omnibus.

Emperor's gift was not bad either.

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>>50707205
If my autism is correct Space marines don't do word conjunctions or whatever they are called so it should be

>Let us take the wall.

"For fun" is even worse.

>>50707267
Not him but which is the book where Draigo absolutely BTFOs Azrael and the Dank Angles over the Fallen? That sounds like an entertaining read. Apparently Draigo was made out to be as little of a Sue as his character can be.

>>50707276
Yeah, but these are CSM, they don't get the weird conditioning and hypnotic suggestion SM do.

They are going to act differently.

>>50707294
>Hey bra welcome to the battle. Its hella fun

no thanks

>>50707302
That's literally what Chaos marines do. Especially, Emperor's Children.

>>50707302
Saying fun is not equal to sounding like a retarded Californian.

>>50707267
My highlights were
1. That intro scene where the tzeentch daemon world and prince they die fighting in droves against to seal is described. All inquisition stuff. That commissar that can't stop shooting fucking heretics even while being beaten to death by heretics.
2. Skitarii, dark mechanicum, a baller as fuck girl interrogator, and one of abadabbadons chosen going full darth vader.
3. What that motherfucking guardsman does to that tzeentch daemon

>>50707313
they talk like that huh? Well chaos is total shit then, and should be squatted.

But I dont believe you.

>>50707331
He meant the attitude, not that they talk like that.

>>50707205
What did you want him to say? "For the sheer pleasure of it!"

>>50707267
What's wrong with the third book?

>>50707365
>>50707365
How spoiler-y do you want?

Cause the short version is
>Remember the whole thing about Titus being kinda bullshit for resisting Chaos in Space Marine?
>It's like that times 1000x worse but also breaking the Chaos canon to keep the GK canon true kinda?

>>50707327

I like Alaric almost getting BTFO by Sisters.

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There is no kill team general now, so i guess it's ok to ask here.
What can you say about this as a starting Kill Team (GW 2016 rules)? What it's pro and con, what have I missed?
My plan is - to have a decent number of shooting infantry (10), a vehicle and various types of weapons (4 radium, 4 galvanic, long-ranged arquebus and strong pistol on infiltrator).

Kill Team [200/200]
----------------------
Dragoon [45]
Rangers x5 [65]
. . . Transuranic Arquebus [25]
. . . Alpha: Reflactor Field [5]
Vanguards x5 [55]
. . . Alpha: Phosphor Blast Pistol [5]

Total: 11 models (1 vechicle, 10 non-v)

Leader - Ranger Alpha with Reflactor Field
Weapon Specialist: Ranger with Transuranic Arquebus (Sharpshooter for ignoring cover)
Gurelia Spcialist: Vanguard Alpha with Phosphor Blast Pistol (Infiltrate for "surprise" distraction)

>>50707596
It's fine, just less customisation than HoR rules. And you have to take squads.

>>50707596
>Gurelia
I feel ashamed. Meant "Guerilla"

In spite of /tg/'s insistence that I should not play Orks until their codex gets fixed, I bought a bunch of Orks this week. I mentioned during the last thread that playing Orks had actually been fun, but was informed that the more I played Orks the less fun it would be.

Having now played a number of additional games this evening, I think that while Orks do tend to underperform notably in standard 1500 point games, they seem to do just fine at lower point cost matches. Won 2/3 of the rapid-fire 500 point games that get played all the time in the back of the store, but I'll continue to test this theory.

>>50707729
May Gork and Mork grin delightfully upon you and grant good rolls.
I hope all goes well and you continue to have a great experience. I think keeping low you are doing the right thing to avoid big power units from the infamous factions.

>>50707729
Which would make snse since most people here play 1500+ most often.

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Of the modern chapters
which ones are still likely to use the MK3 armour as a majority?

>>50707355
>Verily, this tickles thine fancy!

>>50707791
Nice Blood Raven.

I doubt they'd have much left, though. Nobody would have that much. The only way there would be a majority MK3 chapter would be if the AdMech unsealed a bunch of suits of it right before a Founding or something similar.

New to 40k but have liked the aesthetic and art for years.
What is the best introduction and way to start?

>>50707812
> Nice blood raven
kek

yea I guess I could make my own chapter with that backstory

>>50707818
> Pick an army
> read the respective 1d4chan tactics page
> grab a HQ and two troops and jump on in

what about the aesthetic that you like? if its the catholic space nazi thing dark angels are a good start

>>50707791
Majority?
None.

Imperial fists and... Space Wolves have the most among loyalists.

how many relics can a lord have, for example for an alpha legion lord can you have vipers bite (s5 ap2) with hydras teeth (blast posion2)?

>>50707205
>>50707255
Yes, space marines in some ways can be childlike
It's not like his teammate doesn't chastise him for it either

What is the best way to lower enemy leadership in a chaos army? I'm probably going to go emperor's children (with raptor talons) with a daemonic incursion of slaanesh daemons. Just want to know if there are any other good options.

>>50707882
one

>>50707921
nugle deamons have a instrument relic that give -1 to all enemies on the table.

>>50707255
> Similar assaults were being made from the other galleons.

Some fucking poetic descriptive language on here

>>50707940
Cool!

So with that, a chaos Lord with the endless grin on a raptor talon, I can probably pretty reliably get -4 to leadership in the assault phase. -2 in the psychic phase

>>50707255
>Three Red Corsairs at the prow of the Fist used a deck-mounted launcher to fire grappling hooks up to the battlements on the wall, which count as assault grenades. The launchers, firmly secured to the deck, reeled the cables back until they went taut, and the first Red Corsairs began to swing over the prow of the Fist, climbing hand over hand as they hung to the cables. Similar assaults were being made from the other galleons.

>Rotaka had just begun to climb when the defenders of Rubicon, clearly taken by surprise by this sudden attack on a remote stretch of the wall, began to counter-attack. Las-fire rained down from above, largely ineffective against the power armour of the Red Corsairs' 3+ saving throw. Rotaka kept climbing as fire was returned from the deck of the galleons by Chaos Space Marine Havocs, temporarily driving back any resistance that might dislodge the grappling hooks from the top of the wall.

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They called me a fool, A FOOL, for saying that nothing new for sisters were coming!

Well, now that there's a "new" book in town with the old models they aren't laughing anymore!

... Am a sisters player, I'm use to the pain.

>>50707791
Salamanders. Since each one repairs their own armour older stuff tends to be kept in very good working order, plus they get a load of them in the first book when they find the downed spaceship from the crusade full of their goodies.

>>50707205

That can't be real.

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>>50700074

>>50707205
>On deck the Corsairs gathered into their squads, preparing for their attack. Rotaka looked between the members of his squad.

>‘Let’s take the wall,’ he said. ‘For Lord Huron.’
>‘For the gods!’ added Hulpin.
>‘For benis xddddd!’ said Spurdo.

>>Wuhrsk made a grunt of disapproval, shaking his helmeted head, while Verbin let out a short bark of a laugh.

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>>50707791
as a majority, probably next to none.

However, chapters like the minotaurs probably have enough to field a full squad or two of fancy pre-mk5 armour..
Likely chapters that do dirty work for the mechanicum or the high lords will be able to do this.

>>50706117
If you're still around anon, I stumbled across some cassis crista while looking at bits

http://maxmini.eu/conversion-bits/head-swaps/gladiator%20-helmets-bits

I know it's not exactly the same as the wrack helmets, but I hope it helps.

>>50707921
Heldrakes

>>50708044
And that works. My slaaneshi freakshow is on.

Why are there the mega links in the op, when as far as I can tell all the content could be stuffed into one?

>>50708150
Separate people maintain them. It happens occasionally that one or the other is shut down. Also, some people still prefer the older PDF format (when possible), while others prefer the newer epub, and the people hosting either seem insistent on refusing to host the other.

>>50707205
>>50707255
>Carnac likes purple flowery prose

Wew. Makes sense.

>>50708150
Because separate people maintain (or fail to) each one.

Also we used to have a single Mega, it took a single takedown request to kills it.

>>50707255
>>50707205
>80-90's: LOL GW IS SO FUNNY. GOD 40K IS GREAT SATIRE! I LOVE THE HUMOUR! AMAZING
>00-15: GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! STUPID FUCKING GW! STOP WITH THIS GRIMDERP SHIT! WHERE IS THE HUMOUR? WHERE IS THE JOKES? FUCKING EVIL GW!
>16': A JOKE? IN MY GRIMDARK AWESOME DARK DARK AWESOME SETTING? FUCKING GW! FUCKING CHILDREN

I'm getting mixed signals here, guys.

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>>50708179
What if I told you that /tg/ isn't a single person?

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never build a list before but this is my 1k alpha, went with a termy lord with the blast poison weapon

any feedback is welcomed, im a nub and want all the help i can get

>>50707729
Yeah, Orks have loads of cheap units, so specially in under 1000 pt games you are going to heavily outnumber the enemy and you'll be able to take and keep objectives more effectively.

It's just a shame GW doesn't really support low point games, since most formations alone cost like 1000 points.

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>>50708021

Veryidian + Exorcist

Waacfag mode:

Rhino size cover, how shooting works for vehicles, if the Exorcist organ missile launcher is outside of the cover it can shoot. Snipe the fuck out of something with presicion shot thanks to HQ and people can't shoot it back since the Exorcist body is outside of Line of Sight.

Enjoy I welcome our retardad rule making overlords

>Watch the prelude to Warzone Fenris
>Magnus talking with his Legion
>Calls them his sons, has a rational chat
>Only wants vengence for Prospero

Is Magnus the... sanest of the Daemon Primarchs? Actually loving his Sons and simply wanting revenge and not to kill, maim (and meme), burn?

Aren't the rest of them just gibbering lunatics at this point?

>>50708215
>>50708215
Then I would call you a liar, a slanderer and a rapscallion of the worst repute. You know as well as I do that the only person here is you, me and Carnac.

>>50708242
Forget the Terminator Lord, he lacks Infiltrate so he should join the Bikers. Get him a bike.
The DA also lacks infiltrate and he can't even get a fucking bike, so I'd swap the Helbrute with Havocs, so he is going to have some friends to join. A lone walking Helbrute without any formation bonuses sucks anyhow, you are better off with some fire support.
I'd also cut some upgrades and weapona, 4 plasma is enough for the Chosen, and the DA is better off without any upgrades, he is just tax. Add more Bikers or maybe Flamers for the Cultists from those points.

>>50708339
Magnus is a little fucking bitch, mad that he was called on his bullshit. He must know that the Emperor didn't want him killed, so why is he taking it out on the Furfags when he should be taking it out on the Black Legion for changing the message?

>>50708339
Lorgar doesnt give two shits about anything at this point, his meditation is the like how Buddha aquired enlightenment, he wishes to let go of his desires and suffering

>>50708365
He leman, hows the warp going?

>>50708381
>Russ
>Calling his own sons 'Furfags'

'no'

>>50708339
No, only Angron is a lunatic, and he is the howling type, not the gibbering one.
Lorgar is basically praying all day and chilling.
Fulgrim is getting fucked by Slaanesh.
Perturabo is actively organizing raids against the Imperium.
Poor Mortarion is still depressed about the whole Heresy and Plague of Nurgle thing.

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>>50708391

>MFW thinking about all the awesome giant Daemon Primarch models we're gonna get

>Fulgrim
>Giant Snek Lamia thing with swords

>PowerTurbo
>Giant Fusion of angry daemon and technology

>Mortarion
>Giant Winged Angel of Death in Grubby armour

>Lorgar
>No model

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Hey, I fixed the Dark Eldar Codex's shit, because that's the only codex that matters.

If anyone wants it, or wants to add it to the mega, here it is:
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/7b2679bjg9f3dfh/Test_Codex_-_Dark_Eldars.epub

>>50708391

Mortarion is crying about having his heart carved with a name that burns it.

>>50708365
Well they were the ones who didnt bother to double check the messages

And the ones who can only cum if they think about executing astartes

And the ones who purged civilians for no reason

>>50708419
That's just Imperial propaganda. If Draigo really would have been on the Plague Planet, he would have remained there because nobody could resist the friendliness and hospitality of Papa Nurgle.

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>>50708419

>>50708418
Oh, and if there's any further errors, let me know. It wasn't that hard to fix, surprisingly.

>>50708432
>And the ones who purged civilians for no reason

I can name you plenty of current loyalist Space Marine Chapters that butcher civilians, fella.

>>50708440
Or murdering allies to have a blood bath. That was almost as stupid as the IA codex

>>50708436
Draigo literally went into the Realm of Chaos and called Nurgle the most hygienic being in all creation. He then ended up skewered on a spear and left to hang in a swamp. But didn't die cause LOL DRAIGO IS OP.

>>50708459
If you're talking about GK, that's been retconned and /tg/ couldn't read what was written in the codex, since memes and shitposting is better than facts.

>>50708489
I don't think we should forget that stupidly of fluff. Maybe forgive, but never forget

>>50708459
But the Bloodtide thing was the best addition to the Grey Knight lore since its inception.

>>50708356
well what do i give my lord upgrade wise then

>>50708507
Again, /tg/ claims that the GK's just butchered the SoB for no reason. The fluff literally says that the SoB were already dead. The only thing holding them back from dying was their faith. As in, they were going to die regardless of the GK's killing them. So the GK's killed them, sparing them the agony of drowning in their own blood, then using their blood to protect themselves.

/tg/ claims that the GK just murdered them for the sake of murdering them. Again, memes and shitposting is better than facts.

>>50708542
I like my version. Is more GrimDerp.

Walkers are not Vehicles

>>50708554
>Walkers are not Vehicles

They aren't. You going to say a guy on a stilt is a vehicle?

>>50708566
Sure, and Slow & Purposeful grants Relentless.

>>50708593
Yeah. Makes sense. They're slow and purposeful. They can still be harsh and inflexible.

>>50708593
Also, did you know terrain is pointless?
All it does is block line of sight.

>>50708593
>>50708566
>>50708614
Im so sorry for starting this again

>>50708538
Bike is pretty much a must in that list. The typical tryhard loadout is sigil, power fist, lightning claw on top of that afaik.

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So has the Axe of Morkai always been a Khornate weapon, or was that just added in Wrath of Magnus? Not trying to start a skub fight, I'm just genuinely curious if that had been mentioned in the fluff before.

>>50708632
Lies. Lies and falsehoods, and we'll be having non of that thank you very much!

>>50708647
Well in 5th it was taken off a Khorne champion and reforged.

Though Calgars shootyfists was also looted of a chaos champion.

>>50708647
It's been a reforged weapon of khorne since at least 3rd edition, but probably 2nd edition as well.

>>50708641
eugh bikes are gross

>>50708676
like your mother, also like her everyone gets to ride.

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>>50708647
>>50708666
>>50708672
Confirmed 2nd edition

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but in WoM it's not said that Logan used the power of Khorne.
It was the same old axe, it's just that Magnus had invulnerability to basically everything except Khorne
The Blood God than laugh not because he had actively beat Magnus, but because he was "the reason" his god brother's champion was defeated

>>50708740
>The Thousand Sons had to be purged for doing that thing that astropaths, the Emperor, Malcador, and our own rune priests did
>us taking tainted Chaos weapons and using them is totally fine though
People enjoy Space Wolves ironically, right? There's no way people actually prefer the dedicated Sue faction.

>>50708628

>Implying Tau players bother with such trivial things as cover

>>50708740
>but in WoM it's not said that Logan used the power of Khorne.
correct

What magnus' spell granted him immunity to were the blessed weapons and incantations created by the Imperium. The axe, being of khornate origin, was something he had no defense against.

The whole warzone fenris debacle was kind of shit, but that little detail was neat.

>>50708763
>The same is done by the Ultramarines, the ones that are constantly called the best of the Imperium
>Calling the SW sues when the previously mentioned "Best at everything among the SM" chapter and the "Completely uncorruptible, implied to have been created by the Emperor's "geneseed"" chapter exist

>>50708346
No Anon, we are all Carnac, search inside your hearth, you know it's the [Spoiler]primordial[Spoiler]truth

>>50707130
1/16x1/32. I prefer doing it at the shoulder, but depending on how many choices you want and how many spare bits you have you may need to do the guns at the wrist.

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>>50708763
>accepting the retcons that created more plotholes than answers

>>50708418
What did you change?

Hey just posting a quick list
looking for suggestions
using the iron warriors legion rules

Chaos Warband

1 Chaos Lord
Terminator armour
gift of mutation
VOTLW
Power Fist
125

3 Terminators
3 combi melta
VOTLW
110

5 csm
Rhino
VOTLW
1 melta
115

5 csm
Rhino
VOTLW
1 melta
115

4 bikes
2 melta
1 combimelta
VOTLW
110

5 havocs
4 autocannons
rhino
VOTLW
150

5 havocs
4 autocannons
rhino
VOTLW
150

Cult Of Destruction

1 warpsmith
110

3x obliterators
210

2x obliterators
140

2x obliterators
140

Foresworn Kight Detachment

1 renegade knight
avenger gatling
reaper D sword
375

comes into 1850
warband obj sec, havocs and oblits have tank hunter
2000 points i can max the oblits squads and give VOTLW to the min csm squads


let me know what you think
cheers

>>50708857
I would prefer that turn of events, but it's not the canon turn of events and hasn't been for some time.

>>50708893
>but it's not the canon turn of events
despite what certain individuals might think, the "canon" of this game is quite malleable thanks to its long history

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>>50708880
The old one was split all over the fucking place, so I reconsolidated all the broken parts back into their appropriate sections and deleted the fragments. I also resized the xbox-huge weapon pictures from the armory (cropping, not scaling) that filled up a whole page each for no reason. Lastly, some typos, like the Haemonculus page not telling you that he can take artifacts.

>>50708908
Sure, but I really doubt that they're going to ditch everything written about the Sons and Nikaea from the past several years.

I am curious to see what FW does with Nikaea in Inferno. Maybe we'll get some sense injected back into it.

>>50700074
>>50708242
What program/website are you using for this?

>>50708923
It doesn't load in readium.

>>50708925
Read the OP. Geez fuck people are getting more stupid in this thread as time passes

>>50708936
Does the old one? All I did was edit the html pages, so it shouldn't have any major differences from the old.

>>50708883
If you're using a legion detachment all the units get VotLW for free, well anything that can take it can do so for free, but you get the point

>>50708951
Yes. The old one loads fine.

>>50708763
>>50708799
In the recent fluff both of them are a bunch of mary sues with retarded plot armor and even more retarded fluff. Wolf wolves are just downright idiotic, and Ultramarines just fail at being the likeable, generic chapter because Imperial Fists also exist.

>>50708924
FW is not canon. Everything they write goes against GW material. GW has the Emperor sending Horus to contact Russ and order him to arrest Magnus.
In FW, the Emperor sends Russ to arrest but he is contacted later by Horus who convinces him to kill Magnus.

FW are hacks

>>50708924
>but I really doubt that they're going to ditch everything written about
you underestimate the motley crew they call authors

>>50708883
>chaos warband

is that from traitor's hate? I field a lot of basic CSM units and such, would I benefit?

How effective is a heldrake terror pack?

>>50708766
But they do.

All the best Tau players love cover because they can shoot and the move behind it so they can't be shot back, it's the same with Eldar.

Tau and Imperium have tons of way to make it so they can fire at thing out of line of sight, only Orks and other crappy armies suffer from having cover on the board.

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>>50708961
Curious. The new one loads fine for me in epubfilereader, even if I download it from the link.

I wonder if I missed a <div> somewhere and if readium is more sensitive to that than EFR.

I'll give it another look through tomorrow.

>>50708979
Check out Traitor Legions instead. They have a similar (same in case of some Legions) Detachment with better bonuses.

>>50705965
Isn't there only 1 corrupted Sister?

>>50708999
agreed you can harness the war-band AND legion rules for extra buffs

>>50708956
agreed as well...just stated the fact that they have the free VOTLW

>>50708819
I thought we were all Alpharius or Omegon? Or the other?

>>50709032
Are Alpharius and Omegon actually Gork and Mork?

>>50709056
>Gork and Mork?

Mork and Gork

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Trying to aboose the new Canoness special rule.
Banner gives large sister squad +1 attack.
Simulacrum gives it 2 uses of Preferred Enemy.
Condemnor Boltguns are for use on other Psychic death-stars.

>>50709025
>agreed you can harness the war-band AND legion rules for extra buffs

wut

since when are you allowed to do that

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Have a 1750pts casual store tournament coming up and wanted to run this list.

The rules are no flyers and combined arms detachment only so I thought this list might be a bit of fun. Any tips guys?

>>50709088
Banner is useless, give them FnP girl.
You never want your girls in melee even if they have the numbers and have a priest.

Unless you are facing orks or other "melee" race with low saves and are bringing things like green tides.

By pure math hammer is better to have the HQ near the Exorcist. So you can force S8 AP1 wounds on something you want dead.

Other than that not my style but it can work

We like big games in our group. Critique my 3500 points of Charcaradons!

CAD Space Marines (Charcaradons)
HQ
Tyberos, the Red Wake
Terminator Chaplain

Troops
The Red Bretheren (LC assault terminators) in LRC
10 man tac in drop pod with pistol/chainsword, vet sarge
10 man tac in drop pod with pistol/chainsword, vet sarge

Fast Attack
Xiphon Interceptor
Xiphon IInterceptor

2x Skyhammer Assault (charcaradons)
4x10 assault marines, evicerator, vet. sarge with evicerator
4x 5 devastators, grav cannons and amps, vet sarge with combi-grav.

>>50709000
Nah, there's only one willingly corrupted sister.

There's several warbands of Chaos Sisters, however. The Ecclisiarchy/Sisterhood just covers it all up.

>>50709093
taking lets say for my example the "ironwarrors grand company" detachment gaining the "iron warriors" special rules, and the detachment required 1 choas warband formation and its command benefits

am i right in saying that?

>>50708883
>7 oblits
phew lad

>>50709128

If melee SoB is a bad idea, should I do mechanised MSU or Precision shots gunline?

>>50705965
i remenber a certain story about grey knight being overwhelmed by bloodthirst and using SOB as armor-painting

>>50709193
Didn't that get retconned?

>>50709124
in my opinion you should have more transport for you troops or you will never get out of your corner

>>50709161
I don't think you can take both just because your units fit the requirements of both my man

>>50709193
Retconned.

>>50709166
not sure if sarcastic?

>>50709169
SoB still work basically the same.

The core is
2x Battle Sister Squad HF, F and Combi flamer + Immolator with TW-MM
2x Dominion squad with 4x Meltaguns and a combi Melta + Immolator with TW-MM

If you can fit 3 Exorcist do it.

HQ should be cheap unless you where running Seraphim in the magic 8 number. 2x hand flamer and veteran superio with celestin. Since she is gone no need for magic number or the veteran

The 8 and veteran where there for deep striker smaller foot print and prevent random insta kill due to challenge.

20 girl gun line can work but it really works if you tailor it against one particular opponent.

SoB units work like guided missile, target something hope to destroy it. If some how then they survive any longer and did their mission it was value

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Does anyone know how this ended?
Or they just frost in time, along with the storyline?

>>50709240
Not him but read the rules.

>>50709240
even though the iron warriors grand company must include at least one core chioce (ie chaos warband)

>>50709262
Azrael almost lost, but he destroyed the floor, ditched Khârn, and managed to escape, all while leaving the Tzeentch guy to Khârn as a "present".

>>50708966
>because Imperial Fists also exist.

so you're saying we can make the Ultramarines more popular by killing off the Imperial fists?

>>50709262
Azrael ran. Kharn followed. Azrael tricked the Lord of Change and froze it in place before getting out of place. Kharn entered the room and saw the frozen Lord of Change. The lord of Change says please don't. Kharn unzips his Chainaxe and makes sweet sweet murderrlove with the Lord of Change. End of story.

>>50709285
None of them died, as usual (I wasn't expecting to) but the outcome makes sense and is kinda funny.

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>>50708961
Alright, I fixed it. It was interesting - there is another document that defines where and how those split fragments were supposed to come together. EFR ignored that and threw the fragments at the bottom, as seen in >>50708923.

For your sake, I acquired Readium to make sure it would work for you. Readium apparently reads that document, hence why it wouldn't load as the fragments no longer exist - yet Readium also completely ignored the fragments in the old one entirely.

You may notice in this new version that quite a few sections are bulked out compared to the old now, starting with the introduction and onward. Every single "part000X_split_00X" from >>50708923 was not included in what you were reading before. You'll even get the full armory now.

Here's the new download link:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/c1w7tq77zb4zz6n/Test+Codex+-+Dark+Eldars.epub

>>50709240
1. You select a Legion, that grants you free VotLW, some other bonuses and imposes some restrictions (usually regarding named HQs and Marks).
2. Each legion has a unique formationt, which grants more bonuses to everyone in it's detachment. The usual requirement is the vanilla Warband formation as a core and an auxiliary choice. Obviously you will get the bonuses from warband and the auxilia, on top of your Legion's bonuses and the bonuses from your Legion specific formation.

>>50709285
>>50709297
>Abaddon BTFO Kharn
>Kharn somehow is stronger than Azrael

Powerlevels make no sense

Fixed version of >>50708418 can be found in >>50709309.

>>50709312
basically what i was trying to convey

but im a bumbling retard

>both noise marine kits sold out

did GW prepare for the demand after releasing traitor legions?

>>50709323
Different autors, as always.

Even though for me makes sense Kharn being strongest, in a duel contest, than Azrael.

>>50709355
Plastic Slaaneshi coming in February :^)

>>50709369
Kharn is a retard while Azrael is a skilled swordsman. Kharn should be dead

>>50709370
Followed shortly by Age of 40k

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

>>50709323
depends on the plot armor the author wants to apply to each character
some are bias against chaos

>>50709323
That's because you're an autistic fucking weeaboo who believes in the concept of "powerlevels" and doesn't realize that the same exact two guys fighting on two occasions can have a different result.

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>>50703637
they've got rad guns

>>50709323
>The Chaos Champion of All Four Gods > The Chaos Champion of Khorne > Space Marine Chapter Master

No that sounds about right.

>>50708966
>>50709291
Are the IF the Hufflepuff of 40k?

>>50709438
I dunno, at my old FLGS there was a guy who loved them to death.

He would always play the same army. The EXACT same army. Every time. And he'd always bring Lysander.

So Im a total beginner, and Im looking for an advice on painting Imperial Knights. Should I assemble then and then paint, or vice versa? Also, what house?

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>>50708966
Ultramarines suck at being the best at using their codex too. Those losers can't even follow it 301% like the glorious Hammers of Dorn.

>>50709438
>Both are Yellow
Checks out.

>>50709438
I don't remember helga hufflepuff dieing and being replaced by her daughter and everyone just going along with it.

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Do you guys prefer metal or plastic?
how does my ork look?

>>50709355
That's not unusual for finecast only stuff.

>>50709483
BURN
U
R
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>>50709465
>Ultramarines suck at being the best at using their codex too.

Do not mock them for inferior geneseed. It is not their fault they descend from Roboute Guilliman and not I, Rogal Dorn.

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>>50709497
>ywn get a hug from rogal dorn

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>>50709497
PLEASE LEAVE, ROGAL.
GO LOOK FOR MAGNUS AND THE BANANA, I'VE CHANGED MY MIND.

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>>50709462
>beginner
>starting with Knights
You better don't waste those models you rich fuck

Where's the codex that lets me field Custodes and SOS?

Okay so Yesterday as I have been learning more and more I read Traitor legions and reread the entry on Chaos spawn.

I was told to add a chaos spawn. I did...but the reason still escapes me, I was told it had something to do with combat drugs, but I still cannot find a bonus given out by just having a chaos spawn in the army that has anything to do with combat drugs.

I'm not asking for someone to tell me the answer, I'm a big boy. If someone can point me to the book and chapter/page where the answer is, I'd like to learn it.

>>50709490

I don't like side way pictures

>>50709497
The line of Dorn was ended by The Beast doe.

>>50709568
Page 124 look how many Auxillaries are required to activate the command benefits.

>>50709568

Sounds like you don't understand formations and detachments, I am guessing you were either kakophoni or warband detachment, which are core. by adding the spawn, which is an auxillary, you gain the detachment bonus, which part of is combat drugs.

Just a guess, since I didn't see it in other thread

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>>50709462
>total beginner
>starting with knights
they're gonna come out looking like chunky piles of shit and you're going to regret every second of it.

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>>50709604

I fucked up some of the wording, but cant be bothered to fix it, too busy shit posting on other boards, but you should get the gist.

>>50709242
I am unsure if that would be a nightmare to play against, or a right laugh. you will have yto tell us how oblitergddon goes

>>50709604
FMB = Formation Bonus....okay now I'm understanding. And yean I don't exactly have my head wrapped around this formations/detachments thing but I think I'm starting to get the idea. So the spawn is a cheap way to get the formation bonus, which is combat drugs.

>>50709621

Yes, that was what I was attempting to get at

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>>50709575
It turned sideways? shit.
I'll just kill myself now.

>>50709462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njhLv_nyP_s&index=1&list=PLEaPE4sLDA7s6jGafUb-0qBtek7KcIs_g

>>50709621
Exactly. If you follow the restrictions for Emperors Children on page 122 you get those benefits. If you have a Chaos Warband from page 46 they get those benefits and the EC benefits. If you add a Chaos Spawn you have a Rapture battalion which gets you the benefits on page 124 as well.

>>50709615
ill try it out, just looking to use models i have lying around, rather than collecting dust i suppose

>>50709655
I feel dirty getting all these benefits for free...

I gave a meme army a makeover. R8 this list?

++Omniscient Oracles++
Fateweaver - 300
2 Lords of Change, each w/ Greater Gift (for armor), and Lesser Gift (for the Staff of Change) - 520

++Daemon CAD++
Herald of Tzeentch - 45

6 units each of 11 Blue Horrors - 330

2 Soulgrinders w/ Phlegm Bombardment - 330

Void Shield Generator - 100

++Heralds Anarchic++

5 Heralds - 225

Total: 1850

That's 31 Warp Charge, 9 units capable of summoning, 4 beatsticks, and innate "fuck you" versus Alphastrikes.

>>50709673
Thats how Slaanesh is supposed to feel. Don't worry though their benefits aren't that great. You want powerful benefits try Death Guard.

>>50706942
>Member when they exploded all the time and cost 35 points each?

Have you considered playing Orks?

>>50709673
>feel dirty getting all these benefits for free

Embrace the Excess! Feed the Dark Prince.

>>50709632
Okay. Wow I hate to say it but the acronym was part of what was throwing me off. I hate to say it but, for newer players and some returning you might have to drop those.

Okay...so...now to get to work. Purple, black, gold. I think those will work for my colors right?

>>50706942
Hopefully they'll have the SOB pricetag at 10ppm.
And if you run them in the Faithtrain, they'll get a 6++, (5++ if you run Jacob as Warlord and in their unit).

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>>50709673
The best free rules are in the Kakophoni formation.

>>50709706
White and pinks work too, so long as you're thinking opulent it works.

>>50707068
>Some stuff is fine! The deathwatch and grey knight and legion of the damned and psyker stuff?

Because those sections were copy pasted from better books and were stand alone to begin with, while the others were never intended to stand alone during conception.

>>50707089
Nope, to the left it says what you can take as FA
>The only FA option is Interceptors

>>50709719
Do the noise marines have obsec in the kakophoni?

Are Gork and Mork the canonically strongest gods because the orks think so?

>>50709749
>Bell of Lost Bullshit

Dropped.

>There are only THREE “codexes” remaining.
>Codexes will leave the stockist list for retailers in Q1 2017

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/40k-rumors-codexes-remain.html

What would you think about all 40k rules being free on the web/app and the only books being WoM/TL style supplements?

>>50709756
No, that's a benefit of the Chaos Warband formation specifically (In the TL book at least).

>>50709766
Age of 40k Comfirmed!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

>>50708883

Your point cost is wrong on your CSM squads.

5 CSM with a Rhino and meltagun should be 120

4 bikes with 2 melta and a combi melta should likewise be 120.

So not sure if you forgot about the extras or didn't price

>>50709756
No, but they have split fire shred ignores cover weapons potentially at S5 and salvo 3

Honestly even a CAD of emperor's children would make a solid list if you're that into getting ObSec

>>50709749
They didn't do it for AoS, why would they do it for an actual popular game?

>Bell of Lost Souls

Lol. They'll post literally anything and then go "B-b-but it's a RUMOUR".

>>50709766
You've already posted that, nobody cares about your double 'would'.

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>>50709583
But sons of Sigismund still lives.

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>>50709673

>I feel dirty getting all these benefits for free...

Things never heard from players who actually get free things with their formation bonuses

>>50709756
No. Obsec for Troops is specifically for CADs/Ally Detachments (or the Corsair Coterie). All units in the formation have Splitfire, and their Sonic Weapons gain Shred. You could be cheeky and attach the Lord to another unit (say, some Slaanesh Oblits) so it gains Splitfire if you really wanted.

What is an army that is both easy to start with and easy to paint that ISNT FILTHY FUCKING ELDAR OR TAU

>>50709786
>They didn't do it for AoS
Battletomes don't contain any new units. In terms of actual rules they're basically just like Traitor Legions.

>>50709815

Space Marines

>>50709815
Necrons

>>50709815
Most flavors of loyalist Marines

>>50709824
>>50709831

What chapter? I`d like to play a more defensive play style.

>>50709829
Idk my dude, thier vechicules are a in the ass to paint.

>>50705965
>And Lorgar
Wat.

>>50709780
thanks ill fix it up before i use the list
thats just me being retarded

>>50709837
>Defensive
Imperial Fists or a sucessor.

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>>50709837
There can be only one.

Imperial Fists

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>>50709815
Clean Tau fresh from the fire caste academy.

>>50709815
Necrons

>>50709837
>pain in the ass to paint.

Prime black, Dry brush silver, done.

>>50708740
>>50708763
>>50708768

>These wolf fags trying to find technicalities out of heresy

The power of Khorne cannot be used without tapping into his own personal power.

The weapon for a LONG time was written as being re-forged and tamed by the wolves, so its actual demonic attributes shouldn't have been relevant at all, it was just a frost axe.

So the wolves basically had to use Khorne's power to shatter the barrier, because every part of that axe WAS imperial, except the power of khorne in the axe.

So yes, Logan had to wield the power of Khorne to defeat Magnus, Khorne himself laughed at the irony that he was needed to defeat magnus.

In the same breath, the Grey Knights should've confiscated the weapon and sterilized the shit out of Logan for using a demon weapon. Entire chapters have been purged for such nonsense.

>>50708799
The gauntlets of Ultramare were just powerfists wielded by a World Eater preator in the Heresy that Gullyboat decided to keep. They weren't demon weapons nor demonically powered, so the technology was saved and reforged. That was heresy era, the demon weapons hadn't become a real thing yet among the legions.

The axe Logan took IS a demon weapon though, bound with the power of the warp. HUGE difference.

>>50709837

I don't play loyalist, so I couldn't say.

Iron Warriors look defensive for chaos though, taking formations in their FBD and getting bonuses while in them.

I play Word Bearers

>>50709124
Ditch the hvy bolters and stock russes, Autocannons are the way to go. I'd bunch up the infantry squads, maybe add a commissar? perhaps turn the tanks into vanquishers or exterminators, you're dealing with hordes just fine so anti-tank and transport busting could be useful.

>>50709837
>vechicules are a in the ass to paint.
No vehicles then.

Just bring a ton of warriors and march your gunline up the board in plain sight as if you're fighting a gentleman's war in the 17th century, and win anyway

>>50709861
How do you as a word bearers player feel about the legion rules?

Seems people dismissed it at first but I think it's actually one of the better legion rule sets and the formation benefits aren't too shabby

>>50709853
>>50709850
Any good starting set for those guys, or a general buy-list?


>>50709870
Would that actually work? Like, just like 6 boxes of warriors and nothing more apart from an overlord? that sounds fun desu

>>50709837
>I`d like to play a more defensive play style.
Ultramarines (Or any of the many Successors)
Imperial Fists
Iron Hands
Salamanders

Would all work for a more defensive, shootier style.

>>50709890
>Any good starting set for those guys, or a general buy-list?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Strikeforce-Ultima
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Space-Marines

>>50709915
>The box includes an exclusive formation along with 2 Ultramarines transfer sheets, 3 Ultramarines vehicle transfer
Discarded.

>>50709890
On the 31st you can pre-order tac squads plus rhino/drop pod bundle. Will definitely save you money.

Or just bolter tacs +lascannon and/or heavy bolter dev squads, and an aegis defense line for ultimate BS5 gunline.

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>>50709889

I haven't only played once since the new rules dropped and at 1k, but I enjoyed it.

I don't play an over the top list though either.

>>50709889
Not him, but Word Bearers are pretty good if you're okay with a Cultist based core. One of their main downsides is unlike some of the other legions WB doesn't do much to improve the underwhelming Chaos Space Marine himself. Their rules, while good, are almost entirely about characters.

>>50709928
playing space marines faction will drown you in ultramarines transfers

>>50709933
The second option sounds alluring. But I feel that it won't be enough to start. I was thinking about a Thunderfire cannon to drop some hordes.

How viable do you think a leadership penalty based army would be? I want to try it out in csm.

>>50709228
>>50709864
Thanks for the input! I'll have a go at tweaking it to have better anti-tank assets and tone down on the man count and mechanise my squads.

Been out of the hobby since beginning of 5th edition. I played Black Templars. Should I stick with them or pick a new chapter?

>>50710040
Against Xenos they're great. Against Marines, CSM, and Daemons they're shit.

>>50710053
Against fearless and its variants, I would use slaanesh daemon psykers, which have some great leadership based attacks

>>50710047
Black Templars suck if you like the actually BT play style.

>>50709858
>The power of Khorne cannot be used without tapping into his own personal power.

The shard of Khorne's power is isolated and tamed by the power of Fenris. The axe got reforged numerous times, each time they did the ritual to retame the Khornate spirit within.

The Khornate no longer belongs to Khorne. It belongs to Morkai and Logan. It's the weregeld of Armageddon.

>>50709889
I'm a fan personally, but that's mostly because I was fairly OK with generic CSM before they got Legion bonuses. The fact they can mix-and-match Marks gives them good flexibility, and their Warlord table is rather boss (I mean, I'd even consider running a Defiler Warlord with Word Bearers). I was already a fan of msu Slaaneshi Bikers with Lance Champs due to Favored Scions/obsec, and being able to potentially grant them Furious Charge, or shift their Boon results by +-1 is sexy.

Cultist Summon Bunkers could also be fun too admittedly.

>>50709124
Mortars are shit.

Take Wyvern if you have one instead - or just give this squad any other option.

Leman Russes are bad in this version, but playable.

I'd split those basilisk into separate units and take those 2 ruses as tank commander (with pasknisher, if you want to be a little bit more competitive).

Generally this is nice but very squishy list. Without chimeras, you will be devastated by scatterbikes and other shit like this.

>>50709000
Only one willingly. They can be corrupted

>>50709156
>>50710114

>Nah, there's only one willingly corrupted sister.

There is nothing stating that she is the one willing sister or not. Don't believe the wikis.

Where are the rules for disordered charges.

>>50710047
If you liked the lore and feel of the Black Templars, don't play them now, GW fucked with them royally.

>Reducing chapter size from 6-7 thousand due to sheer distances between crusades to 1000 marines, 100ish per crusade.
>Their hatred of psychers and witches doesn't come from tradition and righteous religious belief, but now because they lost the ability to make librarians, but GW is hinting they might get them back soon.
> Cool Vows, sword breatheren, and even the basic playstyle is gone, your just a marine chapter with crusader squads instead of tactical
>Being able to tell other marine chapters to fuck off in team battles because of your loathing of psychers, gone.

Its a train wreak of bad mate, go find a new chapter and save the nostalgia instead of ruining like I did.

>>50710141
In the assault part of her rulebook you mongoloid.

>>50710141
page 54

>>50710081
>The Khornate no longer belongs to Khorne.

Then it would have done absolutely nothing to Magnus's shield as it wasn't khornate then.

You can't use the power of Khorne without USING the power of Khorne.

If khorne wasn't involved at all, then it wouldn't have done shit, so he has to be involved, as the book clearly showed.

Your chapter master is a heretic, forced to fall back upon the chaos gods aid when his own strength failed. Its a piece of written irony in reference to how Magnus had to do the same to survive Russ.

>>50709246

New book adds Combi-Plasma squads now, too, which is something that has been absent

>>50710069
I've noticed. Any suggestions on a chapter?

>>50710171
I've read that section back and forth. Haven't seen it.

>>50710175
The epub doesn't have page numbers.