Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess that

I doubt that will happen. 40k isn't doing that bad to my knowledge.

Aside from that though I do think 40k could deal with some changes of course. The fluff being more in line with AoS, and giving more equal shine to all the factions instead of just Space Marines, would be an improvement.

But I doubt anything like that will happen.

>>50642601
Didn't the entire AoS line get outsold by a HH boxset?

>>50642601

Could you provide numbers on 40k doing bad? I mean just within 20 minutes of my house there are 4 stores for it that have regular games and they just opened up a new one that's entirely dedicated to warhammer and it's booming. Maybe it's just where I live but it seems to be doing fine. Grognards complaining on tg asside.

>>50642601
>Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess that is losing players to Warmachine
Found the bizarro /tg/ poster

>>50642666
Going by the supplement? No. Each and every campaign supplement kept with the status quo.

Comparatively WHFB campaign book "Sigmar's Blood" advanced the storyline unto the End Times by breaking the status quo.

S0 40K End Time is not coming. They will just produce books whose storylines won't go anywhere. "Just walking in circles" the fluff.

>>50642601
when was the last 40k ruleset?

i am thinking about jumping back in when the next one gets released.

>>50642719
8th ed is coming soon. and they promised a big overhaul

>>50642700
Not him.

According to the yearly report, AoS sold more than WHFB did in several years. Yet overall sales are down.

The downage has to come from somewhere. 40K looks like the suspect.

>>50642700
You'd won't be able to find a game where I live.

I've seen more Frostgrave being played than WH40K.

>>50642735

Huh. It's literally all i see played around here.

>>50642725
do you have an article or post that mentions it, by any chance?

and with soon i imagine next summer?

>>50642601
It's literally beginning right now. We've officially moved into End Times 40k with the Wrath of Magnus as GeeDubs begins the process of reintroducing all of the Primarchs into the 41st Millennium. While we may not get something as major of a change as Age of Smegmar, 8th Ed is coming soon and will likely be their attempt to cut a lot of bloat.

>>50642790
what other primarchs are in 40k now ?

i thought they where all brooding deamon princes doing nothing.

>>50642790
>End Times 40k with the Wrath of Magnus

Curse of Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus haoppen before the 13th Black Crusade was launched. MoW ends with Logan and the Space Wolve heading to Cadia.

Do you realize how long have we known that Logan is on Cadia by the end of the setting's timeline. For 10+ fucking years. Wrath of Magnus didn't advance anything. It kist filled a hole in the existing timeline.

>>50642815
just*
preexisting*

Wouldn't this "Age of Emperor" be Warhammer 30k?

>>50642731
>All this vagueness.

You're talking shit. Do you have anything specific about how far general sales were down or how far up AOS sales went?

Fantasy's sales were minuscule compared to 40K, to the point that even if AOS doubled Fantasy's sales it still wouldn't close the gap.

Back your shit up with actual numbers, mate.

Also it's X-Wing that's overtaken 40K, not Warmachine. Warmachine is dying a death.

>>50642852
The yearly report gives no numbers but we can conclude things from it.

Fantasy low sales were dragging down the profits for years. 40K kept trucking doing fine.

When fantasy sales increased with AoS. The profits declined. Clearly, AoS isn't the problem. It's earning more than WHFB did in previous years. So what's dragging down the overall earnings?.

I wanted to get in 40K, but then AoS happened and I was worried WH40K might get the same treatment.

>>50642905
Here is a hint. Armies with updated or new released models won't be squatted.

Armies that didn't get updated and has no releases will get squatted.

Currently, the TS/CSM have a lot of new models. So they ain't going anywhere.

The SOB are in danger, though. When was the last time they updated?

>>50642731
>AoS sold more than WHFB did in several years
There hasn't been a WHFB release in several years anon. Selling more than 0 doesn't mean it sells for shit.

>>50643005
But it sold something so fantasy sales are in the positive.

>>50643018
This has probably something to do with the fact that there has been more releases in 1 year of AoS than in the last 5 years of WHFB

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>>50642601
>AoS is a success

>>50642893
This is pure speculation. As I said, you're assuming that AoS sales increase is significant, which is completely baseless. 40K is an overwhelmingly massive proportion of sales. Fantasy didn't even come close at the end. Unless AoS is outselling Fantasy several times over, it's increase won't matter at all.

>So what's dragging down the overall earnings?

AoS controversy puts off long-time 40K customers to the extent that it offsets any new interest sales on the Fantasy range and causes a dip in 40K sales. This is as valid and proven a claim as anything you've said.

Or the economy.

>>50643197
>Or the economy.
Brexit's definitely a possible culprit, since we're talking about a British company.

>>50643247
Brexit should boost thier sales.

>>50643282
Why?

>>50643294
Pound plumetting, making their exports way more competitive.

>>50643313
How is that going to help GW? They make their own products and mainly sell them in their own stores. I don't see how a lower export price is going to increase sales in this case.

>>50643386
They sell their products in $ or € and calulate their profits in £. With the devaluation of the £ they get more pound per stuff they sell outside of the UK. They could even lower the prices and still make a profit.

>>50642927
>Here is a hint. Armies with updated or new released models won't be squatted.
Tell that to the Tomb Kings players who had just had a massive release of new models in 8th Ed and then got squatted come AoS.

>>50643429

didn't their models get re appropriated into a different faction?

>>50643426
OK I see now. That makes a lot of sense. Although

>They could even lower the prices

Remember who you're talking about.

>>50643442
They got turned into the Mummies faction which was discontinued within a year, all of their models were Last Chance'd, and now are no longer sold by GW. No Warsphinxes, no Necro Knights, nothin'.

The only thing from with any ties to Nehekhara now existing at Nagash, Arkhan, and Neferata.

The Tomb Kings and their models are all gone.

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>>50643476
rip ushabti

>>50642601
It's a bait, right?
>Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess that is losing players
Wut?

>>50642708
>S0 40K End Time is not coming.
Reaslly?
All Eldars fucked up after Deathmasque, Fenris ended with mentions that other traitor primarchs are joining to Abbadon.
IMO, it could be different from WHFB End Times, ut I am sure something big is comming.

>this thread
>again
It's not happening fags, get over it.

>>50642893
>When fantasy sales increased with AoS.
Any numbers?

>>50642927
>Armies with updated or new released models won't be squatted.
Say that to TK and HE.

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>>50642601

>Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess

GW's most recent profit numbers are actually positive.

>>50642927
>The SOB are in danger, though. When was the last time they updated?

2 days ago

>>50644251
>GW's most recent profit numbers
What exactly you mean? If you are talking about their anual then their revenue are still dropping, they just recieved good royalty.

>>50642601
>tfw GW keeps making more OP and ridiculous human centric factions that get even more snowflake like revived Golden Men, Dark Age remnants, Age of Strife gene constructs Perpetuals/Sensei/Illuminati/other special snowflake humans, or just a retconned faction of Emperor clones and his equally OP family
Codex: Emperor when?

Consisting of the most mary sue and OP units in the game to sell lots of models to shilldruns.

>>50643197
So you saying that fantasy sales with or without AoS are insignificant and wouldn't harm or help the earnings. So ignoring fantasy.

40K is the deciding factor. Seeing that the sales are declining. This means that 40K is under-performing.

>AoS controversy puts off long-time 40K customers to the extent that it offsets any new interest sales on the Fantasy range and causes a dip in 40K sales.

And I see that you agree with me.

>>50643429
What new models did the TK get in 8th ED?

Funny how the proof of AoS success seems to be more illusive than lasting Israel-Palestine peace.

>>50644594
some characters, sphinx, necropolis knights and tomb guard

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>>50643426
>They could even lower their prices.

>>50642893
>So what's dragging down the overall earnings?.

The economies of both the US and UK are looking somewhat uncertain due to both political climates, and people are spending less money because of it (either in spending or in hiring new people).

Overall employment of middle-class/lower-upper-class individuals is going down, and real wages are going down as well. As such, people who play these games have less money and less time to spend on this hobby.

At least, this is how things are in my area.

>>50643247
Also the election of Donald Trump has thrown a gigantic monkey wrench into the American economy and will continue to do so for at least 6mo after he's sworn in in January. While the markets are cautiously optimistic now, that can flip on a dime, and people are being very careful with their money.

Also, what >>50647401 said.

>>50644629
What are you talking about? Bill, Bush Sr. and Jr., Obama, AND Reagan all achieved lasting peace accords in Israel/Palestine!

This is a joke if you couldn't tell

>>50642601
>AoS is a success
Do we actually know that?

>>50647721
They are still releasing new models for that shit.

>>50646430
>>50643464
I think anon meant emphasis on 'could'. It would be financially possible, not humanly likely.

>>50647780
Yeah, but they changed strategy.

>>50642708
Mmm I think they are ramping up to "End Times lite". The return of daemon primarchs and the 13th crusade (that will inevitably result in failure) might weaken the imperium more. In fact I think I remember reading rumors about the end times coming for 40k but not flipping the entire game on its head like AoS did.

I sincerely hope they fucking kill the Emperor already and begin his reincarnation or some shit like that

>>50652151
>entire game on its head like AoS did.
Well, according to rumors the rules will be remade into AoS-like.
And for the setting, not sure what do you mean, world destruction?

>>50642731
>Yearly report
And where can you view that senpai?

>>50652270
Any sources for rules being AOS-like?

I might well quit forever if they introduce that nonsense like 'ork units move 1" more if the player is wearing a red hoodie."

>>50652429
>Any sources for rules being AOS-like?
Just rumors.

Actually, I'd be pretty interested in an "Age of the Emperor" where the Emps awakens and leads major offensives against the various enemies of man.

Grimdark flipped to NobleBright

I mean 40k does need a rule change.

Id like the lore changes have BL make each of its fucking authors all discuss lore changes then agree on one solely and stick with it

>>50654320

BL is to far up its own ass to do that.

Just read the codexes or wiki for lore the books are terrible now

>>50654288
>Actually, I'd be pretty interested in an "Age of the Emperor" where the Emps awakens and leads major offensives against the various enemies of man.
IMO, but if Age of Emperor happened we are going to move from Terra to Imperium Secundus.

>>50642601
>40K is terrible mess that is losing players

Citation needed.

>>50654862

MLA format too please

>>50642731

And according to the most recent report, their sales were higher than they anticipated. Guess what we just had in the past 6 months? Tons of 40k shit, like Prospero, GSC, DW, and barely any AoS releases

>>50647780

They released new models for WHFB and End Times too, what's your fucking point. The fact that they release new models for anything that's not space marines says the same thing.

>>50655151
>And according to the most recent report, their sales were higher than they anticipated
Source? Because 6 months ago their Operating Profit (pre-taxes and royalty) was -27%.

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>>50655326

Fucking google it you retard. Maybe if you're this inept you shouldn't be engaging in discussions. The provided image will already allow you to achieve a red belt if not higher in Google Fu so in the future, fucking google it you useless sack.

>>50642601
Isn't that what all the 30K wankery is?

>>50652151
maybe they noticed people love primarchs after Forgeworld started spitting them out. So GW side wants to get on the action. FW: Horus Heresy GW: Post Heresy

>>50655849
Any numbers? That's why I asked the source.

>>50643495
Those are sexy af, wew lad

>>50642601
>Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess
[Citation needed]

Didn't GW get more moneys the part of the year dedicated to 40k and HH? They should just drop it and just focus on the two games that actually sell.

>>50642852
>Warmachine
Does that game still lives? Fuck awful miniatures those steam robots

>>50656451
>Does that game still lives?
Yep, because it's actual game.

>>50656567
>Yep, because it's actual game.
Fair enough, AoS can't even be fully called a proper game with so many things still vague about the actual gameplay.

>>50655849
Irony, but we have the same situation in 2015 when they released popular Calth and yet failed Christmas sales and financial year ended with another drop.

>>50656409
Actually, 40K is under-preforming . AoS boosted fanrasy sales.

>>50657134
>Actually, 40K is under-preforming
Yeah, since none buys plastic heresy and primarchs.

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>>50657134
>no hard evidence to support such claims
>40K is under-preforming
>when every made to order have been focusing on 40k
>when GW dedicated most of this year to pull old 40k armies from the dark
>when a 20+year old army that was discontinued came back with a whole new range
>when most of popular products are space marine releated
AoS was/is/will always be a mistake, it's a sinking ship trying to remain afloat.

>>50657368
Let's not forget that profit included royalty and since pound keep falling it's kind of natural that they receives more pounds from non-UK market.

>>50657368
Fantasy was underselling in the previous years and yet GW earned a profit thanks to 40K.

When fantasy sales upped with AoS in current year, GW profits went down. So what's the one thing that could be responsible? 40K.

You 40K players are not supporting the hobby.

>>50657401
>When fantasy sales upped with AoS in current year, GW profits went down. So what's the one thing that could be responsible? 40K.
Any numbers to make such nice theory into something more?

Shit, forget to continue.
>>50657401
>You 40K players are not supporting the hobby
Yet still GW cares about us much more, while they give you one not even AoS box we get the full thoussnd some release and rules for legions.

If BoltS is to believed, WHFB was at 5% of GW's sales in previous years. When it was replaced with AoS, sales jumped up by 30%.

So how the hell does 30% increase in sales result in profit loss? It doesn't. There is a sale decrease in another part of the IP, and it's 40K.

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>>50657464
Opps forgot my picture.

>>50655849
>gets mad when people demand he back up his bullshit
Maybe if you should just shut the fuck up instead of making unsupported assertions.

It looks like 40K is suffer from the same thing that killed WHFB.

Toxic customers.

Here is how you can identity toxic customers.

https://www.americanexpress.com/us/small-business/openforum/articles/6-ways-to-identify-toxic-customers-and-how-to-respond-1/

Which one are you?

>>50657471
>I was not told
I think here is the problem.

>>50657501
>No matter what it's toxic customers fault: the post

>>50657464
And according to BolS Calth outsold the whole AoS, and since we have much more stuff in Prospero I think Space marines are selling well.

>>50657480

Are you fucking retarded? The support is right there in the image and the entire point was that it's easily verifiable for yourself.

>>50657401
>When fantasy sales upped with AoS in current year, GW profits went down
It's one way to see it, since it could have been just AoS releases not selling as much as they anticipated and GW manufacturing too much of it.

More unsold shit : lower profit.

Also GW != the hobby

Hey guys, you think the fact that GW likes to jerk their customers around constantly and do shitty anti-consumer business moves like obsoleting popular old units to ensure the sale of new ones and changing faction lore to suit the whims of writers who hate them rather than the people who pay money to play them has something to do with lowering profits?

Nah, I'm sure its the toxic customers.

>>50658113
>changing faction lore to suit the whims of writers who hate them

When did this happen?

>>50658130
>When did this happen?
Centurions, Helldrake.
Actually all new units adding into the lore post factum.

>>50642893
>invest a bunch in your new wargame
>it doesn't sell as good as you thought it would
>lose money
Profits are down must be due to 40k herpderp

>>50642852
>Also it's X-Wing that's overtaken 40K
In third party sales in north america, which is about all of x-wings sales and a but less than a third of 40k sales.
This meme really needs to die.

>>50659374
>which is about all of x-wings sales and a but less than a third of 40k sales.
Excuse me, but what? Any data from Europe?
Also, it means that X-wing playerbase much larger than 40k, because X-wing are cheap as fuck and could ousell 40k only by larger number of customers.

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>>50642601
>, how long till we get Age of Emperor?
Haven't you learn the main lesson of WHFB death? There could be only one Emperor/

>>50659495
>Also, it means that X-wing playerbase much larger than 40k, because X-wing are cheap as fuck and could ousell 40k only by larger number of customers.
Except 40k still sells more. There is absolutely no basis for x-wing having a larger player base, seeing as it can barely outsell a third of 40k's sales

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>>50659626
>Except 40k still sells more.
>it can barely outsell a third of 40k's sales
>barely
Got any source Kevin? Since now 40k is enjoying Star Wars gang bang.

>>50659642
Well, seeing as FFG revenue is in the 40 to 50 million range, while GW's revenue is in the 100 million range when you discount royalties, it can't be that much higher.
Also, that pic is from a study based on 3rd parties only.

>>50659950
FFG revenues will be mathematically smaller anyway due to the fact that GW has its own distribution network while FFG relies on third party retailers who take their cut of the price of what they sell, so there's that.

>>50642708
>S0

Literally REEEEing about the needless, profitless use of 0 rather than an o. Goddamn, boy.

>>50659950
>it can't be that much higher.
Why? For example, GW sells product for 10$, FFG sells for 1$
In the end of year GW revenue is 100$, FFG 101$, it's barely outsold GW< but, 101 people much more than 10.

>>50642708
>No. Each and every campaign supplement kept with the status quo.
Like Deathmasque? Like Fenris where all Fallen was released from the Rock?

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>>50657401
>You 40K players are not supporting the hobby.
>there is people that literally brought 5+ BoP boxes for themselves
>people literally brought entire armies during GSC release and more death watch boxes
>most /WIP/ threads are about 40k new players that got the starter boxes + some other units
>deathwatch, BoP and BAC are still being
>not supporting the hoby

>>50660289
>>there is people that literally brought 5+ BoP boxes for themselves
So what?

>>50642601
Let me make a quick correction for you anon

AoS the board game is decent, AoS the setting and lore is one of the worst things GW has ever done, the story is incredibly laughable and i have yet to meet an actual person who takes the lore seriously or knows more then what is needed to get a basic grasp of the story.

We might get an age of the Big E rule rewrite, but it wont be a nukeing of the universe like last time.

>>50658113
You do know games workshop is a business right
Nobody buys x = x dies

Despite the whole 'gw is not the hobby' thing gw is, in fact, 40k and fantasy, now AoS

Buy whatever you want but if youre not actually contributing to the success of a product how can you bitch when it gets dropped

>>50660483
Assblasted WHFB-kid detected.
>AoS the board game is decent,
How it's not wargame?
>AoS the setting and lore is one of the worst things GW has ever done, the story is incredibly laughable and i have yet to meet an actual person who takes the lore seriously or knows more then what is needed to get a basic grasp of the story.
So what? It's still popular.

>>50660545
its a wargame lol.

>So what? Its still popular.
Right....ignoring the fact that hardly anyone compared to 40k actually plays it.

I mean you can live in your AoS echo chamber, but AoS failed to get a good launch. Like i said the game itself is pretty good, but the story and lore are fucking a joke.

Karl Franz floated through space holding the soul of the world until a random dragon flew by and said hey yo lets be friends and make a whole new universe for the lawls. Then to free the elves they go and punch another evil dragon in the gut so he barfs up all the elven souls so they can be tree people. Then to make his super cool army of totally not space marines he puts the souls of warriors from any and all races into powerful suit of armor that shall know no fear, and gives then bolt throwers, oh by they are also made up of old bad guy soul too. Skaven, human, dwarf, what ever we just turned them into human looking and put them in power armor. THEN lets just create all these different worlds for each race to live on because reasons.

>This is actual lore

>>50660545
and if this
>>50660618
was not a good enough reason, wanna guess whos writing the lore for AoS?

Matt, mother fucking gray knight nob slobbering, ward.

>>50660640
>Matt, mother fucking gray knight nob slobbering, ward.
Source? Because last I've heard he is writing actual events for 40k, so be ready for your new Ultra Knights faction.

>>50660618
>I mean you can live in your AoS echo chamber, but AoS failed to get a good launch.
Yes, but it's recovered very fast.
>Like i said the game itself is pretty good, but the story and lore are fucking a joke.
Guess what? people didn't buy "lore" they buy miniatures for game. And unlike 40k AoS have good rules and nice looking miniatures.

>>50660767
Recovered is a very strong word, its limping along, you have one faction thats completely worthless, IE Death, 2 massively powerful faction sigmarines, and sylvaneth, and then a decent one chaos.

Yeah but guess what keeps people buying minis? Lore, you can have the prettiest models around but unless you have a decent story behind them, they have no sentimental value, in the sense of meaning to them.

Hell we have 4 game stores in my city, 3 being LFGS, and one being a GW store.

AoS at every single one, is pushed back to a single 4x4 table, that hardly gets used. Even the GW store only promotes it because GW makes them, death is in a single corner, and the entire AoS line is put on the smallest wall and stocked the least.

WHFB which i openly admit as a game had a lot of flaws, but nuking the the entire story was not the right call, sure they got a decent amount of initial sales, but its still nothing compared to what it could have been.

The nice minies are not just limited to AoS, thats across the board.

I mean again you can say what you want and believe AoS is totally fine as a product and is doing well, when no matter where you go, its only supported because GW forces it on its stores.

Again the model are cool to paint sure, but the story is pure crap and sales show that.

>>50660710
Also my apologies he is RUMORED to be writing rules for AoS which in hignsite aint all that bad so long as he writes all the rules. Ward books vs ward books are fairly balanced.

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>>50642683
>Didn't the entire AoS line get outsold by a HH boxset?

>>50660877
It sure did lol.

>>50660767
>Guess what? people didn't buy "lore" they buy miniatures for game.
That is not actually correct,
people DO enjoy factions for their lore and characters likewise, or just simply collect.
Good writing helps sell a setting otherwise you remain a crunch/flashy thing that will get stomped the moment people with enough funds can get market share and out flash/crunch you.
Hell I by the DZC books for this reason, i actually enjoy the writing in the rule books that come with it and i think it's a shame that Hawk doesn't allow lore to be as available as GW does.
>And unlike 40k AoS have good rules and nice looking miniatures.
1.
>AoS good rules
2.
>implying minis AoS > 40k
3
you're bait anon-kun

>>50660289
490k is supported by it's decadent player base, unlike aos and fantasy.

>>50661050
Meant for>>50660388

>>50661050
Fantasy was an example of what happens when GW shoots themselves in the foot.

The problem Fantasy had was the intoduction to get into the game was pure fucking garbage, in order to have a decent army you needed to drop like 600 bucks. Like for undead you needed a crap ton of zombies like 4+ and you only got what? 10 a box at 40 USD a box?

>>50661076
This was also a factor, probably another reason why lizardmen were popular was because it didn't needed a fucking load of models to play with it

>>50661120
Exactly, that was the fault of fantasy, was it reach a point where long term players already had everything they needed, and new players needed to spend a small fortune to get into it, ontop of that since things got removed off the board so quickly, painting them up seemed pointless.

a much better move would have been to start pumping out new models, same factions, bring in the AoS rules, but keep the lore.

It would have been great!

>>50660852
>tfw when the bimonthly AOS event at my flgs got replaced by 30k.

Great feelings all around.

>>50660852
>faction thats completely worthless,
>Death
Wut?
>, 2 massively powerful faction sigmarines, and sylvaneth, and then a decent one chaos.
And all other armies.
>>50660985
>That is not actually correct,
That's fucking correct, and that's why 40k is dying outside GW stores >>50659642
>Good writing helps sell
Yes of course, but it doesn't make sales.
>>AoS good rules
They are much better designed and balanced than 40k.
>>implying minis AoS > 40k
But they are much better, sigmarines aren't manlets and ironjaws looks awesome.

>>50642893
Ahem...
The Hobbit

>>50660056
>Like Deathmasque?

Until we know the exact consequences of the battle, we cannot comment on status quo.

>Like Fenris where all Fallen was released from the Rock?

The Changeling was stopped by a Watcher in the Dark before he could get to the Fallen.

>>50661076
Zombies were probably the only box with empire militia that never got updated, I think it was still at 30 yurobucks for 20 minis.

>>50660852
>, its only supported because GW forces it on its stores.
>source: my hater-ass

>>50661183
>Until we know the exact consequences of the battle, we cannot comment on status quo.
Eldars lost all their infinite circles in the warp and the end clearly says that they are doomed now, and since they didn't summon Ynnead Cegorah will be eaten by Slaanesh.

>>50661185
Aye, still you needed so fucking many of them.

>>50661178
Yeah man, death is fucking garbage on the table, they have no ranged, but GW did not realize how quickly that dicks over the army. Hell everystore death faction is pushed into the corner even in the grand tournament they had death did not do a damn thing, order just destroyed everyone in that forge the narrative campaign.

>>50661188
Check'ed and
Source: No one fucking plays it, see reasons like
>>50661173

>>50661178
>That's fucking correct, and that's why 40k is dying outside GW stores >>50659642
What is a straw man for 500, we are not arguing over weather or not 40k is being outsold by other games, we are telling you AoS is doing worse then 40k.
>Yes of course, but it does not make sales
Except it does
>But they are are much better
and in the same sentence you call them sigmarine pointing out how crappy the models are and a direct rip off from the already existing space marines.
Have you see the new thousand sons models my dude? THOSE are fucking beautiful models.

>>50642847
Unification Wars.

>>50661263
>>50661178
Like dont get me wrong, i admit, right now Sigmar has very nice models because they are the most recently updated, but all the new stuff GW is putting out is looking great, like i said Thousand sons are amazing looking.

AoS vs 40k arguments aside i think GW has really stepped up their model making game as of late.

Custodies HOLY SHIT glorious looking.

>>50642601
> age of the emperor
What do you think 30k is?

>>50661263
>Aye, still you needed so fucking many of them.
True that, especially when mantics ones are one third cheaper and better looking.

>>50661290
Horus's big day out?
>>50661300
Check'ed

Im actually thinking i might? get into sigmar, but if i did im looking to either do empire via warscrolls, or slaves to darkness.

Or if i wanna break the bank i might put on my adventuring hat and scour the interbutts for bertonia stuff, which is like liquid gold how rare they are.

>>50661178
>and that's why 40k is dying outside GW stores
so gw is dying because it has lore
that makes complete sense because if you remember my point was lore will move product.
Furthermore it would be good to note X-wing is probably a prime example of that, crunch is okay, the minis are nothing to write home about but it's the fan investment and the community that likely helps it push.
>Yes of course, but it doesn't make sales.
That's a contradiction.
Either lore assists in making sales or it doesn't make sales.
and you admit it helps sell, which means it does make sales. It doesn't mean it necessarily pushes large amounts of product but it helps none the less.
>They are much better designed and balanced than 40k.
Since when was AoS balanced? and how is that in anyway comparably better?
AoS's rules are brief.
Which should not be mistaken with depth anymore then overly complex rules. in actuality it's a short handed LotR rule set.
40k's are the same as always with a bit more bloat with fliers and a lot more bloat with formations and allies and objective secured something AoS is less prone to because of it's shove anything you want into your army philosophy. But that a bad game system does not make.

>But they are much better, sigmarines aren't manlets and ironjaws looks awesome.
>I like these things so there for the miniatures who share a production company do not have produce roughly the same quality.
>because i said so.
anon please, it's games workshop.
there is no special love that goes into stormies or Iron jaws (fucking hate the goregruntas they suck)

>>50661323
>scour the interbutts for bertonia stuff
Fireforge Games for everything that isn't a Grail knight or a pegasus, my man

>>50661356
I thought about....
*Glances around the room, says in a hushed voice.*

Venturing to the land of the tiger, and buying recasts.

I have ordered from them before and its half decent so.

>>50661120
Oh hey what was that one combo you could do with lizardmen i forgot what it was.

Basically you took the dead toad and a few other spell casters and you could end up like just summon an ungodly amount of stuff that could also end up summoning and it just got stupid.

>>50642815
>MoW
...Math of Wragnus?

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>>50661263
>, they have no ranged
Rules focused on melee and Death is badass with their buffs for skelitons.
>in that forge the narrative campaign.
Try pitched battles.
>Source: No one fucking plays it, see reasons like
>>>50661173
Anecdotal evedience and you knew it.
>we are telling you AoS is doing worse then 40k.
Source?
>Except it does
It supports, but doesn't make it.
>THOSE are fucking beautiful models.
yeah especially butthurt mage.
Also, GW just steal flying disk from AoS.
>>50661289
>Custodies HOLY SHIT glorious looking.
Sure.
>>50661343
>Furthermore it would be good to note X-wing is probably a prime example of that, crunch is okay, the minis are nothing to write home about but it's the fan investment and the community that likely helps it push.
Dude before X-wing there were shitton of Star Wars board games, but none matched X-wing popularity, so may be it's popular because it's good game.
>Since when was AoS balanced?
Since general handbook released.
>AoS's rules are brief.
Keep being mad.

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>>50661914
>Dude before X-wing there were shitton of Star Wars board games, but none matched X-wing popularity, so may be it's popular because it's good game.
I didn't necessarily doubt that, I just admit there are issues with the rules and the models aren't stellar. given your previous example this should have prevented the game from being viable.
a lot of those games were worse from what i remember, it does help that X-wing came out near nostalgia hype.
>Since general handbook released.
>pic related
you don't believe that, you know that just having points is not a criteria for balance only a suggestion of balance.
>Keep being mad.
>he mad maymay
anon I'm tired, trying to wrangle an emotion out of me right now is fucking tough to do and you don't have the ability
Regardless, you've provided no reasons for it actually to be a good rule-set and i ain't here to defend that between all of your shifting goalposts.
now explain why or to what ratio that lore, crunch and flash moves product.
because that was what we were actually talking about

>>50657883
They're illiterate, thank you for imparting that img.

>>50661914
>skeletons are bad ass
>implying you can actually get them into melee in a large enough force when they have no meaningful save

Does not matter how good you are In melee if you have to slowly move across the board getting shot at the whole time with not way to shoot back, then with a thinned out buffed melee unit you enter combat with in touched melee, which btw they still are gonna get shot at the rest of the game.

I mean you can do any sort of mental gymnastics you want but the only way death is viable and competitive is if you manage to dig up some tomb King archers

>>50662038
>you don't believe that, you know that just having points is not a criteria for balance only a suggestion of balance.
>hurr it's just added the point, durr it's bad because I dislike it
>t. salty grognard
>>50662038
>Regardless, you've provided no reasons for it actually to be a good rule-set
Just fucking play it, idiot.
>now explain why or to what ratio that lore, crunch and flash moves product.
>m-m--muh lore
1) it's not lore who moves product mostly, it's miniatures and rules.
2) AoS fluff much better than WHFB or current 40k

>>50662457
>AoS fluff is better then 40k
AHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHSBABABABHHAHAHSBSB

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA OH GOD PLEASE STOP!!!

hhahahHAHAHAHBAAVVA OH GOD ICANT BREATH

*weasing* oh god oh I can't breath holy shit!!

Ooooh Wew.....

AAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HOLY SHIT OH MY FUCKING GOD HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

This guy actually thinks it good?!?!

But guys guys, really, what if he is just floating in space and then just randomly befiends a star dragon for fucking reasons and says lol lets just create life!

And then oh shit and then, he punched another dragon to have him barf up the souls of the elves in space!

Oh shit son that was a good one now I know your Fucking trolling ahah

Good shit son good shit

>>50662523
I thought he was serious up until then. But anon is a pretty good prankster I admit.

We are done here boys, let's go home.

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>>50661649
Wragnus best Primarch.

>>50662548
*still struggling to breath.*

10/10 well done trolling I'm impressed haha, good shit anon

>>50662523
>This guy actually thinks it good?!?!
Yep, it's fresh, it's unusual setting, it's doesn't have shitton of contradictions, because many peoples wrote about the setting and didn't care to unified all their writings into coherent picture. And as wargame setting it's provides you endless variety for "your dudes" fluff.
>a star dragon for fucking reasons and says lol lets just create life!
It's his purpose.

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This is now a "How the fuck do you afford GW minis" thread

>>50662728

I donate my life blood.

>>50662637
It's fresh he says!!!

Ok ok anon let me ask you this what if I told you it's a copy paste story of 40k

40k humanity goes to shit
AoS order goes to shit

40k chaos throws the universe into the trash
AoS chaos throws the universe into trash

40k the emperor appears and is equivalent to a god and save what's left of humanity
AoS sigmar a literal God is floating in space holding the world core saving whats left of the old world

40k the big E literally gets a necron c'tan called the void dragon that came from the stars to help him make and control technology
AoS sigmar randomly befriends a star dragon to help him create life

40k the great crusade starts and things are looking good.
AoS a great ordering of world stats and things look good

40k daddy fucks off to go make cool secret tech stuff
AoS sigmar gets bord and start making sigmarines

40k Horus get pissed and Rebels becuase daddy ignored him
AoS Negash rebels because sigmar ignored his promise to him

40k galexy goes to shit
AoS universe goes to shit

They could not have even bothered to make a new story it's a reskinned 40k

>>50662900
>AoS order goes to shit
Order is actually winning.
>40k the emperor appears and is equivalent to a god and save what's left of humanity
>AoS sigmar a literal God is floating in space holding the world core saving whats left of the old world
So godlike-ruler is only simmilar thing.
>40k the big E literally gets a necron c'tan called the void dragon that came from the stars to help him make and control technology
>AoS sigmar randomly befriends a star dragon to help him create life
So what?
Also, there is still no confirmmation that Emperor made deal with Void Dragon.
>40k the great crusade starts and things are looking good.
>AoS a great ordering of world stats and things look good
Except the fact that Sigmar fighting against Chaos, while Great Crusade was just contimuation of Unification Wars.
>40k daddy fucks off to go make cool secret tech stuff
>AoS sigmar gets bord and start making sigmarines
Wow, Sigmar finally understood, after death of old world, thyat usual mortal aren't great against Chaos, so he makes his own Chaos Warriors.
>40k Horus get pissed and Rebels becuase daddy ignored him
>AoS Negash rebels because sigmar ignored his promise to him
Wow, the "rebellion" theme, yeah totally copy of 40k.
>AoS universe goes to shit
Nope.

>>50662900
As a guy who read both settings, you really reaching and lying at some points.

What screwed humanity in the Age of Strife is the Iron Men rebellions and psyker imploding into warp rifts. Not to mention warp storms. It wasn't a direct effort by Chaos. In fact, the rest of races of the galaxy like the Eldar and Orks were doing just fine.

>Void Dragon

It was a wounded shard of a C'tan that the Emperor found and earth and beat up.

>AoS sigmar randomly befriends a star dragon to help him create life

Dracthoian didn't and doesn't create life, other than the star dragon children. Also Dracho might be Sotek.

>AoS a great ordering of world stats and things look good

You mean colonization and adventure. There wasn't like big enemy races or Chaos during early stages of the Age of Myth.

>AoS sigmar gets bord and start making sigmarines

Sigmar didn't get bored. He hot his ass kicked by Archaon and Chaos who conquered 7 out of the 8 Realms and forced Sigmar to retreat to his realm where he in, the Age of Chaos, spent his time creating holy warriors to reconquer the realms and drive off Chaos.

>AoS Negash rebels because sigmar ignored his promise to him

Nagash doesn't rebel. Nagash is not beholden to anyone. Nagash rules, he isn't ruled. Nagash made a deal with Archaon that if he allowed the gate of Death to fall in Chaos's hands, then Archaon and Chaos will leave his realm alone.

And this happened before Sigmar created the Stormcast.

>>50663073
Dude relax, more likely it's WHFB-fan ho trying to cover his butthurt by "lol I laugh at you".

>>50663073
>so what
Ok so at least you are acknowledging it's shit you just don't hate it hah

Listen man I'm just jerking you chain at this point, if you like it that's you man. It's generally accepted it's a shit story, but that does not mean your wrong for linking it or me wrong for hating it, just an opinion. Hell I think the new Star Wars is pure shit and I'm in the wrong for that generally.

>>50663073
Which again is akin to chaos tainting all that shit, cause int the storms men of iron ect ect.

>>50663193
Oh calm down you, we are all adults playing with toy soldiers haha

>>50663193
I haven even said I think the game is great just there is nothing meaningful propping it up

>>50663261
>It's generally accepted it's a shit story,
By who?

>>50663261
>cause int the storms men of iron ect ect.

The Warp storms were caused by the Eldar partying hard and human psykers being unstable in their power usage. Again, it wasn't a Chaos invasion. It was coincidental actions.

>>50663322
By crap sales and AoS always getting pushed into a back corner at stores across the us that's who.

AoS is barely afloat hell Calth was reported to have outsold AoS by itself.

>>50663402
>By crap sales
Proofs?
>AoS is barely afloat hell Calth
That's just rumors.

>>50663472
Here is their stock data for the last 2 years AoS dropped in 2015, you see a slight boost in shares when the generals handbook came out, and then your standard Christmas boost, then, it tanks. GW pushed AoS hard during that time, and you see where it's shooting back up this half of the year? Guess what's driving that up? It ain't anything from AoS it's 40k.

www iii.co.uk/research/LSE:GAW

>>50642601
>Considering that AoS is a success and 40K is terrible mess that is losing players to Warmachine and shit likle that

You've got these two the wrong way round.

GW is pulling off a profit on two things: flashy 40K releases that give people stuff they've always wanted (HH shit, etc) and vidya.

AoS is selling like shit compared to 40K.

>>50663472
Also another piece that talks about how their sales have been crap and AoS is not doing as well as they thought it would.

www iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop%3A-denial

>>50652429
>He doesn't know those rules were removed almost immediately, but he's still going to argue about it.

>>50642601
I will make Chapter Master 2.0 when WH40k dies like WHFB and gets replaced by AoE.

>>50663592
>www iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop%3A-denial
>13 jan 2016
here is your problem.

>>50663699
>not realizing that this is when the 4th quarter in the business world ends and sales data is finally made public.

So I'll read it for you, basically what happened was GW model sales where down 15% and so every one start to pull out hence why in the sock tracker I linked you see it fall like a rock in 2016 becuase GW found out their sales of AoS was shit.

You do understand that article was put out after AoS and after they released their sales data for AoS and then you see their stocks fall like a rock until mid 2016 when they started pumping out 40k stuff right? Or are you just ignoring that part?

>>50663699
You wanted proof I showed you it, GW was failing when it was pushing its AoS line and only now is bouncing back after what? 6 months of pushing only 40k

>>50662457
>>hurr it's just added the point, durr it's bad because I dislike it
no, I'm sorry you cannot into logic but it would necessitate that AoS MUST have been built around the point system to be properly balanced.
otherwise the additions, no matter how well thought out (given the nature of this company it would not be likely to be thought out) would be arbitrary and there will be units that are not properly costed, designed for or arround pitched battle play.
Thus to some extent imbalanced.
this does not necessitate a broke piece of shit but not the paragon of what you were indicating.
>Just fucking play it, idiot.
I have, along with scumbmachine, flames of war, infinity, fantasy, 40k, kings of war, etc,etc.
>>m-m--muh lore
this is what we were talking about baitnon yes.
1) it's not lore who moves product mostly, it's miniatures and rules.
I never claimed that it was the lions share, i negated your absolute claim. I do agree that lore contributes some.
>2) AoS fluff much better than WHFB or current 40k
that is a grand stupid claim.

>>50663811
Proof that no points is retarded.

Negash with free summoning for days.

>>50663035
>Order is actually winning.
>order
>winning.
niggbone please
They pushed into some of the areas but they are no where near winning, it's just not hopeless

>>50663842
anon there is little need for proof.
a no points system might as well be deductively stupid

>>50663875
Oh I know, but it's always my favorite thing to point out that before points death was the most broken faction because of summoning and nagash with lol pick a die trick.

>>50663792
>You wanted proof I showed you it,
I wanted actual proof.
>6 months of pushing only 40k
>what sylvaneth is
>what general handbook is
>what tzangors and the whole Silver Tower is
>what IoB is
>>50663811
>but it would necessitate that AoS MUST have been built around the point system to be properly balanced.
Most of new rules (like units profiles and others) building around pitched battle, it's the main game format.
>I have, along with scumbmachine, flames of war, infinity, fantasy, 40k, kings of war, etc,etc.
So you didn't try it, but still claming that it;s bad?
>fantasy
Nah, nevermind, enjoy your butthurt grognard.
>I do agree that lore contributes some.
Lore just helping to hold newcomer interesting in the product,

>>50664026
>Most of new rules (like units profiles and others) building around pitched battle, it's the main game format.
so the warscrolls were not designed before the point system was introduced and their effects were changed to suit the point system with particular attention be balancing hundreds of different units against each other.
>So you didn't try it, but still claming that it;s bad?
can you not read.
I've said I've tried it.
i mean we both know you're bait but do try to make this fun for both of us please anon. I could talk to any old autistic and have him tell me you've experienced what I've experienced there for you must have the same response to it.
>butthurt grognard.
>you...ve played fantasy ergo you must just hate it be because you liked it
HELL NAH 8th edition a shit SHIT
I quite to play infinity. man i wish my old store was still open so i could get a game in.
>Lore just helping to hold newcomer interesting in the product,
not true, it works for oldfags too.
I'm considering the red angel after reading lord of the red sands

>>50664026
Silver tower dropped in May of 2016 just before they hit the bottom.
Generals hand boom dropped in July 23rd 2015 before the Q4 ended

Sylvaneth were released in June 2016 which was BEFORE! It's lowest point this year so their sales still caused stocks took down.

So let's see everything you listed dropped before their lowest stock point this year....hmmmm I guess AoS is doing so well lol.

>>50664216
>>50664026
Oh HEY let's see what's come out so far while their stocks have been shooting back up....

Hmmmm
Gene stealer cult
Deathwatch
Burning of prospero
Thousand sons
Traitor legions
Various terrain bits and bobs.

Hmmmm it's almost as if it's been all 40k and their stocks go up....interesting

While I do t think that 40k is going full AoS, there are a lot of good things AoS does that should be emulated in 40k.

- no more templates. Blast weapons do a d6 or d3 number of wounds like in AoS.
- no more distinction between vehicles and MCs. Everything should be T and W based.
- formations should cost points.

>>50664592
Fuxking this!

I kinda hope they do a blend of AoS rules and 30k rules.

I don't think formations are inherently bad, but at no cost they are.

I would like to see a, your WS is this? You hit on this, that's it.

Your bs skill is this? You Hit on this.

T and str can be the same as is and it's good.

I would LOVE to see the way AoS does armor saves where you will always get an armor save through based on modifiers. So like if you have AP 1 that should negate yor armor by 2 so a 2 up is then a 4 up

>>50664592
Also would love to see how they do in 30k where a single unit can not make up a given %of the whole army.

IE if you have a lord of war that's 500 points your tota army needs to be 2000 points because the rule would be no single unit in your army can contain 25% of the army's total value, that way you can prevent cheese Death Stars or bringing shw to low point games.

Oh and get rid of ally matrix

>>50664692
>I would like to see a, your WS is this? You hit on this, that's it.
>Your bs skill is this? You Hit on this.
that's always been the case the fuck are you trying to say here?
>T and str can be the same as is and it's good.
no
no it isn't.
and not only because i'm getting in my t7 castilaxs in and they will die to bolter fire super fucking easily then
>kill MCs with bolters
>I don't care if it has 20 wounds i have fury of the legion and 20 men in Rapid fire range. it will down in bolts

>>50664782
Clarifying I mean in refused to, the whole conversation that happens during the assault phase of

"Ok what's your weapon skill.....ok mines this but these guys have WS 5 so then hold on I need to see what I have more of....ok so my over all WS is 5 yours is? Ok 6 so you hit on 3s I'll hit on....5s, no wait sorry double plus one I hit on 4s still."

It's just clunky, I would like to see either a this weapon hits on X or WS X hits on y

Again the str of weapons could be changed to how AoS does it of it wounds on X ect ect or something along those line.

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>>50642601
>How long till we get the Age of the Emperor

January 20th, 2017

>>50665094
GLORY TO EMPEROR TRUMP!!!

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>>50664940
>most of that post
>pic related.
you've got a solid point there, i don't like it with WS because some people are braindead.

but
>Again the str of weapons could be changed to how AoS does it of it wounds on X ect ect or something along those line.
Nah man
we loose ID
armour values.
Guardsmen and sisters take bolt rounds as well as marines.
complete balancing of everything.
it also removes all my nice rad abilities, so no stacking rad furnaces and cleansers.
it's streamlining in the worst way

>>50665094
The Gid Emperors peace be upon you, brother.

>>50665145
Hmmmm what about this one, we keep the same S and T system we have now, BUT! We start to play around with armor pen effecting saves either plus or minus.

So let's say you have a really strong gun, but it's going no armor pen, like s10 ap5 what if for every 2 values above your Sv value, it's a plus one to your save throw so it would go like this.

Say we got a Bolter AP 5
And I wound let's say something with a 3+ but because the Sv to AP difference is 2 I get a 2+

Or we could do something similar with str, or do a rending system for all weapons, a wound of a 6 reducing armor or something.

Again personally I don't have muh qualm with the shooting system save for the massive ease of access to cheap ap2 and D

>>50665338
It's interesting, I like it and it does help with marines dying all the time... a bit.

>>50666903
It might make terminators actually servive.

Ap2 ok your same is now a 3+ AP 1 it's a 4+

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>>50642790
Space Marines (one of the strongest armies in the game) will get OP buffed out special characters while Orks (worse faction in the game) will continue to get curb stomped

>>50665094
Ave, true to emperor Trump!

>40k is a terrible mess losing players to Warmachine
Can I get some sauce on that? Because ever since Mk.III people in my area have been fleeing that sinking ship like plague rats from a Spanish galleon. The lists are shit and there's no 'your dudes,' which is dumb as fuck. Also daemon Primarchs are a good sign that 40k is in fact NOT going End Times any time soon. That coupled with Tau and Spess Muhreenz being GW's most popular products would make that a bad move.

>>50665094
Trump cannot be God Emperor, he is american.

>>50664216
>It's lowest point this year so their sales
Wut? Got any source?>>50664737
>because the rule would be no single unit in your army can contain 25%
That's shit.
>>50668679
>Also daemon Primarchs are a good sign that 40k is in fact NOT going End Times any time soon.
Yeah, just like Nagash release for WHFB.

>>50647780
when was the last time AoS got models?

40k has had a steady stream of releases every week and where is sigmar?

>>50674133
>when was the last time AoS got models?
This week. New starter

>>50674700
>New

>>50642601
I asked that question of a GW slave/gretchin/employee and they said the story WAS being advanced. Magnus the Red is coming back and will be kicking the Space Wolves in the 'nads. He then said that with the Space Wolves 13th Great company returning it was more than likely we would see the return of Leman Russ *nudge nudge, wink wink*

From there he went insane and said that it was possible we would see a return of lots more primarchs but I think that was just wishful thinking on his part.

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>>50642601
>AoS
>success
>mfw

>>50674722
It's new.

>>50674756
Nice denial.

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>>50642601

>>50664126
>so the warscrolls were not designed before the point system was introduced and their effects were changed to suit the point system with particular attention be balancing hundreds of different units against each other.
Not oinly new, they remade ALL warscrolls and made all units useful.
>I quite to play infinity.
ANIME PLEB!
>man i wish my old store was still open so i could get a game in.
Wut? YOu cannot play Warhammer outside your old store?
>not true, it works for oldfags too.
Well, yes, I agree, but still lore doesn't make the main sales, it's support them. And when you have good models and rules you doesn't need "muh lore".

>>50674700
Reboxed 6 years old starter you mean.

>>50675189
New bases, new rules, new fluff.
And yeah they couldn't sell it for 6 years, when WHFB was changed to Warhammer Age of Sigmar it sold out for few days

>>50675355
>New bases, new rules, new fluff.
>>when was the last time AoS got models?
>models
>models
>models
>New

>>50675355
>new bases, new rules, new fluff
Old models

Litteraly WHFB leftovers

>>50675411
>>50675668
It's new box, and it's sells well.

>>50675693
So you confirm, there has been no new models for AoS for 5 or 6 months now.

>>50675752
>If it was rebox of old unpopular starter it doesn't count!
You are pathetic, see, Spire of Dawn success is another evedience of AoS popularity.
>there has been no new models for AoS for 5 or 6 months now.
Sylaneths released in summer.

>>50675770
Yeah, in early july. That's 5 months and a half.

Since then AoS only got a repacking of an old set, without even a new run of production since it's the old unsold IoB boxes.

>>50675795
>without even a new run of production since it's the old unsold IoB boxes.
And again, they were unsold for 6 years, and sold out after fews days since they were reboxed for AoS.

>>50675812
If your point was that the 8th edition was shit I agree wholeheartedly.

Still, GW probably understands that AoS is tanking hard and doesn't invest in it anymore.

>>50675854
>If your point was that the 8th edition was shit
My point that the whole WHFB was shit.
>Still, GW probably understands that AoS is tanking hard and doesn't invest in it anymore.
Lolwut? It's just pause between seasons, first season was about BTFOing Khorne and Nurgle, now they just busy with planing the next wave, winter and spring for AoS, summer and fall for 40k.

>>50676034
You're deluded, lad. GWs stocks are on freefall as soon as they announce AoS releases. Considering the weight of the shareholders in the decision making you better be ready for more 40K.

>>50676064
>GWs stocks are on freefall as soon as they announce AoS releases. Considering the weight of the shareholders in the decision making you better be ready for more 40K.
Still no any proofs.